Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
Same difference if they cut the light power lines. Guess anyone with a lit tower would be guilty of it, then. Joe M. Barry C' wrote: Premeditated manslaugther .. MM nah thank but no thanks To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:05:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft My way is prevention. Once they hit that Heliax, they don't be hitting any more tower sites - preventing the next guy and likely saving some of your lines. Your way is just passing the problem on to the next site. (not meant as criticism per se) By weeding out all the scum, the problem is prevented. Joe M. Barry C' wrote: Prevention is better than a cure ( which you keep secrete) Geovision siftware and some old cctv cams is cheap connected to some sort of high intensity light source tends to slow them down ... -- To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety) through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light? (or even as an unterminated open circuit) That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces. I know excessive force. But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive? Wrap it with tape that says warning - dangerous voltage. Joe M. Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote: There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective about who they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of who they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen. Regulations as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help. Something has GOT to be done. WB5OXQ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM -- before someone else does Find the job of your dreams http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064 http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM Grab it. You dream job is up for grabs. http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596065 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter
Cannot see any braid without undoing one of the N connectors on the RG214 jumper. Connectors are evidently not Amphenol, unless they didn't mark them as such. The cable says RG214/U. Connectors marked 74868 UG-1185/U Seems to be good quality. No leakage that I can tell, and zero resistance from one end to the other, so should be good to go. Wayne WA2YNE On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:36:32 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 4/23/2008 00:45, you wrote: Okay, at this point, I have the following: 100 feet of LD5-50A 1 Female 'N' connector for same 3 male 'N' connectors for same, plus an additional male 'N' from another source. All for the LDF5050A cable At antenna, a 3 or 4 foot 1/2 Heliax jumper, as the connectors for the 7/8 Heliax are a tad too large to fit the antenna base. Antenna on a 23' tower, and about 21 feet up to the end of the jumper, which will be used with some bow to allow for possible movement and being able to clamp the 7/8 to the tower so it won't pull on the jumper at all. I also have a bulkhead mount Polyphaser which I could, for the time being, install at the repeater itself and use a jumper there that is RG214, currently between two cans on a 2 meter duplexer. Two foot, long enough to exit the bottome of the repeater cabinet and connect to polyphaser. I figure about 30-35 feet of the Heliax to get to that point, and allow a bit of slack in the RG214. Just make sure the RG-214 is silver-plated. I had a jumper I used this weekend for a 2 meter repeater installation that said Intercomp RG-214 that caused desense when I flexed it, so I replaced it. When I got home I took a close look at one of the connectors could make out a couple of COPPER braid strands. That jumper got the colored tape band applied to the middle, my indicator that it's no good for duplex. Bob NO6B -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
Completely off topic but there is a large diff. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:10:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Same difference if they cut the light power lines. Guess anyone with a lit tower would be guilty of it, then. Joe M. Barry C' wrote: Premeditated manslaugther .. MM nah thank but no thanks -- To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:05:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft My way is prevention. Once they hit that Heliax, they don't be hitting any more tower sites - preventing the next guy and likely saving some of your lines. Your way is just passing the problem on to the next site. (not meant as criticism per se) By weeding out all the scum, the problem is prevented. Joe M. Barry C' wrote: Prevention is better than a cure ( which you keep secrete) Geovision siftware and some old cctv cams is cheap connected to some sort of high intensity light source tends to slow them down ... -- To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety) through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light? (or even as an unterminated open circuit) That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces. I know excessive force. But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive? Wrap it with tape that says warning - dangerous voltage. Joe M. Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote: There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective about who they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of who they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen. Regulations as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help. Something has GOT to be done. WB5OXQ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM -- before someone else does Find the job of your dreams http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064 http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM -- Grab it. You dream job is up for grabs. http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596065 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM _ It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641_t=762955845_r=tig_OCT07_m=EXT
Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
I thought towers and repeaters went together like chocolate and peanut butter... No, no difference - especially if it's marked like I said. I've never seen the power lines for the tower lighting marked, so if they cut through that or they cut through the tower lighting lines that are fed via Heliax, there really isn't any difference. Same purpose - same result. In fact, the way I mentioned gives more warning than the 'standard practice', so if any way is manslaughter, it's the 'standard practice' which is not marked at all. It would be hard to defend an action that has to remove warning labels or cut through them to cause the harm. Just the same as the company who digs up a buried power line and has to go through the warning tape to get to it. The installer/owner of that line is not responsible for the consequences of the actions of the company who did the damage. In fact, the company is responsible to replace the line they damaged (or at least pay for it). Lots of precedent and it's all sides with the owner/operator. For that matter, it's exactly the same if someone gets an RF burn from cutting a high power TX line. Are you responsible for the result? I think not. (and in that case there isn't even a warning, so that's more in favor of the person who got burned.) Joe M. Barry C' wrote: Completely off topic but there is a large diff. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:10:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Same difference if they cut the light power lines. Guess anyone with a lit tower would be guilty of it, then. Joe M. Barry C' wrote: Premeditated manslaugther .. MM nah thank but no thanks -- To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:05:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft My way is prevention. Once they hit that Heliax, they don't be hitting any more tower sites - preventing the next guy and likely saving some of your lines. Your way is just passing the problem on to the next site. (not meant as criticism per se) By weeding out all the scum, the problem is prevented. Joe M. Barry C' wrote: Prevention is better than a cure ( which you keep secrete) Geovision siftware and some old cctv cams is cheap connected to some sort of high intensity light source tends to slow them down ... -- To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety) through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light? (or even as an unterminated open circuit) That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces. I know excessive force. But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive? Wrap it with tape that says warning - dangerous voltage. Joe M. Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote: There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective about who they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of who they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen. Regulations as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help. Something has GOT to be done. WB5OXQ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM -- before someone else does Find the job of your dreams http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064 http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064 http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064 http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064
[Repeater-Builder] Kenwood KTR-820 info needed
Im building a Kenwood KTR-820 repeater useing the Arcom RC-210 controller. I'm in the process of wiring a Comspec Tone board for my CTCSS PL tones. Any help would be appreciated. I tried to use the internal controller for my PL tones but when I plug the internal controller plug back I lose COS control on the Arcom. Frank Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[Repeater-Builder] Obtaining a Repeater Site (HOW)
I hope this isn't off topic but I am hoping that someone can help. I am trying to secure a site for our repeater club in the Atlantic City, NJ area. Does anyone have any pointers on how to obtain a site. I have been getting a run around from most of the casinos and tower locations in the city. Nobody seems even remotely interested in giving us access. I showed and told them about the benefits of Ham Radio and the service we provide but it falls on deaf ears. Any help, suggestions or connections would be appreciated. 73's Gary K2ACY
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Obtaining a Repeater Site (HOW)
Gary, Tower or repeater sites are gold today with the influx of cell phones where a provider will pay $20k/yr for a single site. Also, the insurance influences a tower owner for the more he/she has the higher the insurance. Also, few tower owners want to bother with a non-paying customer. Again tower space is gold these days. I have found one needs someone on the inside. Contact your local EOC, not the police or fire, but a department that handles disasters. Here in Florida all counties have large EOCs with money. They also have the power to get things installed above the other gov radio shop personnel. The EOCs know and respond to Ham Radio if they are convinced you can provide a service. This last issue is often hard to get together and maintain, but if done can be a plus for getting a site especially if it will not cost the county any money, only space. About all major sites, 200 ft+, here in my area have someone inside. A broadcast engineer or a Ham who can get the attention of the powers to be. My site was provided by a FM station where the Chief Engr was a devoted Ham. Got a site 1175 ft above ground and use of 1300 ft of 1-5/8 feedline sharing a UHF installation. You simply showing up with a dog and pony show will do little. You are often talking to someone who knows little about Ham Radio and really has many other issues to deal with. I know of few repeater owners in your position and it is like pulling teeth. Most tower owners will give you encouragement, but in the end do nothing to help. A repeater is a liability to a site owner, not an asset in their eyes. Definitively use the community service approach...ARES/RACES, Skywarn, public service. This goes a long way. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: garyp609 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/22 Tue PM 05:18:18 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Obtaining a Repeater Site (HOW) I hope this isn't off topic but I am hoping that someone can help. I am trying to secure a site for our repeater club in the Atlantic City, NJ area. Does anyone have any pointers on how to obtain a site. I have been getting a run around from most of the casinos and tower locations in the city. Nobody seems even remotely interested in giving us access. I showed and told them about the benefits of Ham Radio and the service we provide but it falls on deaf ears. Any help, suggestions or connections would be appreciated. 73's Gary K2ACY Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome.
Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
The FCC and FAA get real upset with towers that have dead or defective tower lights. This will get their attention real quick. The station off the air only upsets the tower/radio stn owners. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: MCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/23 Wed AM 01:10:54 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Same difference if they cut the light power lines. Guess anyone with a lit tower would be guilty of it, then. Joe M. Barry C' wrote: Premeditated manslaugther .. MM nah thank but no thanks -- To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:05:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft My way is prevention. Once they hit that Heliax, they don't be hitting any more tower sites - preventing the next guy and likely saving some of your lines. Your way is just passing the problem on to the next site. (not meant as criticism per se) By weeding out all the scum, the problem is prevented. Joe M. Barry C' wrote: Prevention is better than a cure ( which you keep secrete) Geovision siftware and some old cctv cams is cheap connected to some sort of high intensity light source tends to slow them down ... -- To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety) through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light? (or even as an unterminated open circuit) That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces. I know excessive force. But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive? Wrap it with tape that says warning - dangerous voltage. Joe M. Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote: There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective about who they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of who they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen. Regulations as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help. Something has GOT to be done. WB5OXQ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM -- before someone else does Find the job of your dreams http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064 http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM -- Grab it. You dream job is up for grabs. http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596065 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome.
Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Carrier Control Timer (use the COR-2 circuit)
The 555 is dedicated as a timing device. The LM324 is a quad op-amp and one of the poor ones. About the only advantage is 4 in one package. As for use as a timer the 324 needs lots of glue to make it work. Not saying don't use it, but for a timing device the 555 is made for this with lots of flexibility. If you want a op-amp I prefer the LF353 for audio and the LM358 has the rail-to-rail service and is better than a 324. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/23 Wed AM 12:25:30 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Carrier Control Timer (use the COR-2 circuit) At 4/22/2008 11:25, you wrote: Re: Carrier Control Timer (use the COR-2 circuit) The 555 timer is a lot like the 723 (voltage reg) chip in regards to a very large variety of available circuit options and layouts that simply must obey certain rules detailed in the Mfgrs data sheets. Onward... The 555 is one of the most useful electronic circuit chips ever made. It has a fairly large number of possible simply configured Show me a quad 555 in one package. There was one once actually, the 558. Was sold by Radio Shack. Can't find them anywhere now, though. Show me a 555 used as an audio amp. I can build a complete COR/hangtime/TOT/audio interface using one LM324 (actually, nowdays I prefer the TLV2374 - less crossover distortion better rail-to-rail performance). 555s/556s certainly have their place, but for something as simple as the above I find the rail-to-rail op amp more convenient straightforward. Bob NO6B Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome.
Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
Having a way of connecting a electric fense source to the shield of the feedline would be good. That way thief would not have to cut very deep to get to the enforcer, hi. It would also not interfere with the RF side. The shield being grounded would have to be engineered. These are usually not fatal, just convincing you don't want to go here. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: MCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/22 Tue PM 10:23:51 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety) through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light? (or even as an unterminated open circuit) That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces. I know excessive force. But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive? Wrap it with tape that says warning - dangerous voltage. Joe M. Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote: There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective about who they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of who they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen. Regulations as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help. Something has GOT to be done. WB5OXQ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome.
Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
I retract my electric fence suggestion. I submit a lethal at least 480 VAC...go for blood. This is crazy. Smoke this critter and when I say smoke I want to see real smoke from this idiot. There are people the world would be better off without. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: Maire-Radios [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/22 Tue PM 09:01:00 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft where was this at? thanks john - Original Message - From: Juan Tellez To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft __,_._,__ Here is a picture of what happen last week in one of my sites:_ Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome.
Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter
Nice install. The guys need some work, but the RF gear looked good. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/22 Tue PM 07:58:31 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter Alexandre Souza wrote: p.s: I've run across several other technology-groups who like to post 'Wall of Shame' pix - got a few myself. Any interest out there? I have that on my site: http://www.tabajara-labs.com.br/eletronica/gambiarras/ Send me the photos and I'll put there :o) The device under test on the logic analyzer looked utterly normal to anyone who's ever had to do that... chip pin clips everywhere! (But if you're debugging code and it just won't do what it's supposed to, because you wrote stupid code and stupidly can't find your bug... that pile of clips and the analyzer will save your hide!) Some of those photos looked like someone was prototyping, but they weren't. There were some funny ones in there, I'll admit! Just Googling around I found these (no I don't know any of these folks), just random Googling for repeater photos... - http://aldebaran.armory.com/~zenomt/pictures/2003-05-10-toro/2003-05-10-toro-Pages/Image18.html - I like the huge coil of 1/2 hardline with a big kink in it. I guess they forgot the hacksaw and connectors. - http://w0crc.org/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=CrarcDarwinid=20030412darwin_rptr_cabinet - The repeater is stored with the Christmas decorations, apparently! Very festive! - http://utahvhfs.org/Blarg4l.jpg - This one isn't repeaters, so much... but it's quite an interesting photo of the antennas at someone's site. - http://www.northshorerescue.com/images/equip/Catherdal-De-Icing-big.jpg - Glad we don't have to chip ice off our systems, even the high mountain ones. Crazy Canadians! And a photo in the summertime: http://www.northshorerescue.com/images/commun/NSCUSEPT19.jpg - http://www.ussc.com/~uarc/rptr/frnswth_l.jpg - I want to know what the windsock is for. Anyone crazy enough to land a helicopter here, I think I'll avoid flying with! - http://www.eraradio.ca/images/WAJ%20ANT002.JPG - And I just thought that one looked cool... because it's on top of this: http://www.eraradio.ca/images/Skylon%20top.jpg Toys! Nate WY0X Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome.
[Repeater-Builder] Dayton Tickets and Fleamarket
Good Evening to the list: I was wondering if anyone got their Dayton fleamarket passes and tickets as yet? I order our club's usual order in February. I still haven't gotten a response from DARA as of yet. I sent two emails and made two phone calls. Never got a response. Two years ago it was so messed up that I had to pick up my order on Thursday afternoon at the fleamarket trailer, and run around like crazy to distribute our ticket order. Last year I couldn't go to Dayton and I was out of the country on family business from 3-19 May. I had to do some fast and fancy negotiation to get our 500 dollar order re-routed to another club member otherwise it would have sat in USPS mail will-call until I returned! Needless to say, I am a little edgy this year. It doesn't help that I get no responses to my emails and calls. I appreciate any responses to my query. 73--Wally W9BEA
Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
I call it Adding a little CHLORINE to the GENE POOL
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From: MCH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:05:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
My way is prevention. Once they hit that Heliax, they don't be hitting
any more tower sites - preventing the next guy and likely saving some of
your lines.
Your way is just passing the problem on to the next site. (not meant
as criticism per se)
By weeding out all the scum, the problem is prevented.
Joe M.
Barry C' wrote:
Prevention is better than a cure ( which you keep secrete)
Geovision siftware and some old cctv cams is cheap connected to some
sort of high intensity light source tends to slow them down ...
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To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:51 -0400
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety)
through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light?
(or even as an unterminated open circuit)
That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who
was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces.
I know excessive force.
But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive?
Wrap it with tape that says warning - dangerous voltage.
Joe M.
Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote:
There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these
thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective
about who
they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of who
they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen.
Regulations
as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help. Something has
GOT
to be done.
WB5OXQ
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
Guess you guys did not see the email floating around about the thief that was stealing wire from a power substation and grabbed the wrong wire with his insulated side cutters. Short non-graphic story he was in three pieces and there was zero blood. Paul _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry C' Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:28 AM To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Premeditated manslaugther .. MM nah thank but no thanks _ To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:05:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft My way is prevention. Once they hit that Heliax, they don't be hitting any more tower sites - preventing the next guy and likely saving some of your lines. Your way is just passing the problem on to the next site. (not meant as criticism per se) By weeding out all the scum, the problem is prevented. Joe M. Barry C' wrote: Prevention is better than a cure ( which you keep secrete) Geovision siftware and some old cctv cams is cheap connected to some sort of high intensity light source tends to slow them down ... To: HYPERLINK mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety) through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light? (or even as an unterminated open circuit) That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces. I know excessive force. But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive? Wrap it with tape that says warning - dangerous voltage. Joe M. Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote: There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective about who they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of who they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen. Regulations as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help. Something has GOT to be done. WB5OXQ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM before someone else does Find the job of your dreams HYPERLINK http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064; \nhttp://mycareer.-com.au/?s_-cid=596064 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM _ Grab it. HYPERLINK http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596065You dream job is up for grabs. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM
RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
And any tower lighting vandalism is supposed to be investigated by the FBI. Paul _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wright Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:08 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft The FCC and FAA get real upset with towers that have dead or defective tower lights. This will get their attention real quick. The station off the air only upsets the tower/radio stn owners. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: MCH HYPERLINK mailto:mch%40nb.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/23 Wed AM 01:10:54 CDT To: HYPERLINK mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] m Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Same difference if they cut the light power lines. Guess anyone with a lit tower would be guilty of it, then. Joe M. Barry C' wrote: Premeditated manslaugther .. MM nah thank but no thanks To: HYPERLINK mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] m From: HYPERLINK mailto:mch%40nb.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:05:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft My way is prevention. Once they hit that Heliax, they don't be hitting any more tower sites - preventing the next guy and likely saving some of your lines. Your way is just passing the problem on to the next site. (not meant as criticism per se) By weeding out all the scum, the problem is prevented. Joe M. Barry C' wrote: Prevention is better than a cure ( which you keep secrete) Geovision siftware and some old cctv cams is cheap connected to some sort of high intensity light source tends to slow them down ... To: HYPERLINK mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] m mailto:HYPERLINK mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] m From: HYPERLINK mailto:mch%40nb.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:HYPERLINK mailto:mch%40nb.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety) through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light? (or even as an unterminated open circuit) That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces. I know excessive force. But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive? Wrap it with tape that says warning - dangerous voltage. Joe M. Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote: There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective about who they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of who they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen. Regulations as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help. Something has GOT to be done. WB5OXQ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM before someone else does Find the job of your dreams HYPERLINK http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064http://mycareer.-com.au/?s_-cid=596064 HYPERLINK http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064http://mycareer.-com.au/?s_-cid=596064 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM Grab it. You dream job is up for grabs. HYPERLINK http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596065http://mycareer.-com.au/?s_-cid=596065 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton Tickets and Fleamarket
No response from phone calls or emails have been very noticeable by everyone that has tried to contact the committees. If you did contact them they would say they would get someone to call back, never happened. I called several times and no answer and a guy that is going with us took over ordering the spaces. As of a email yesterday they said anything ordered before April 1st went out in the mail yesterday so look for it shortly. Like I said yesterday I think, 4 years ago I called on the phone, 10 minutes later I had my spaces assigned and was set for the show. This year is very different. With the price we have to pay for the spaces it looks like there should be at least some semblance of customer service. I hope they learn from this year and do a better job of this next year. With the price of spaces and Diesel fuel it is going to be hard enough to make it this year, with the fuel price increases they want the rest of this year and next this year may be my last for Dayton. Paul _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walter Klinger Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:06 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton Tickets and Fleamarket Good Evening to the list: I was wondering if anyone got their Dayton fleamarket passes and tickets as yet? I order our club's usual order in February. I still haven't gotten a response from DARA as of yet. I sent two emails and made two phone calls. Never got a response. Two years ago it was so messed up that I had to pick up my order on Thursday afternoon at the fleamarket trailer, and run around like crazy to distribute our ticket order. Last year I couldn't go to Dayton and I was out of the country on family business from 3-19 May. I had to do some fast and fancy negotiation to get our 500 dollar order re-routed to another club member otherwise it would have sat in USPS mail will-call until I returned! Needless to say, I am a little edgy this year. It doesn't help that I get no responses to my emails and calls. I appreciate any responses to my query. 73--Wally W9BEA No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton Tickets and Fleamarket
I haven't received my Dayton Tickets yet. Bill - WA0CBW **Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp0030002851)
Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
Here in Texas you can use deadly force to protect your property, day or night. Might be a good idea to move to the site for security with as big a weapon you can handle. David = From: MCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/22 Tue PM 11:11:04 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft But, they don't know the value of that, and likely don't have any outlets to get money from it. But, they DO know the value of copper, and there are plenty of scrap yards.. BUT, you would think that the first few cuts would have deterred them since the majority of the metal is NOT copper - as you can clearly see in the photos. I bet the left the connectors on the strike plate, too (assuming there is one). Joe M. Paul Finch wrote: And left a $200.00 connector. Paul *From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Juan Tellez *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:10 PM *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft __,_._,__*/ /*Here is a picture of what happen last week in one of my sites:_ *//* *//* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1390 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 4:23 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
David, Thanks to Kevin and Scott for letting this off topic thread go on this long but it is sort of repeater related and is real good information for all involved in this hobby. My problem is most of the people that trespass onto my property is kids from the mid to lower class housing development to the West of my property. Even if you're justified in shooting a kid you will be condemned in the press and harassed by the law enforcement officers. I had an ATV (four wheeler) stolen about two months ago, the Sheriffs office came out and took the info and later drove all around the house where the ATV was parked. I was passed out 105 flyers out when I saw some kids standing next to a house. As I got closer I saw my Son's ATV. They jump,cut and do whatever it takes to get over the fences. I also have a 2 acre pond sitting fairly close to the tower and I caught 6 kids and one adult walking in a group on my property to fish. They got guts. In the tower building I have several customers, paging, public service, Wi-Fi, trunking systems as well as my Ham repeaters and it scares me to no end that they are going to get in the building and try and steal or vandalize something. Paul _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:16 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com; MCH Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Here in Texas you can use deadly force to protect your property, day or night. Might be a good idea to move to the site for security with as big a weapon you can handle. David -= From: MCH HYPERLINK mailto:mch%40nb.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/22 Tue PM 11:11:04 CDT To: HYPERLINK mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] m Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft But, they don't know the value of that, and likely don't have any outlets to get money from it. But, they DO know the value of copper, and there are plenty of scrap yards.. BUT, you would think that the first few cuts would have deterred them since the majority of the metal is NOT copper - as you can clearly see in the photos. I bet the left the connectors on the strike plate, too (assuming there is one). Joe M. Paul Finch wrote: And left a $200.00 connector. Paul *From:* HYPERLINK mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] m [mailto:HYPERLINK mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] m] *On Behalf Of *Juan Tellez *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:10 PM *To:* HYPERLINK mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] m *Subject:* [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft __,_._,__*/ /*Here is a picture of what happen last week in one of my sites:_ *//* *//* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1390 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 4:23 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM --- Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM
[Repeater-Builder] timer???
it is my humble opinion that all that is required is a time delay relay, probably somone has already mentioned this but i don't mind being redundundundant, that starts a 1 -2 minute cycle to turn on after shut down. seems simple enuf. no fancy timer curcuits and stuph like that there. they are not expensive, a huge consideration here abouts, and readily available from almost everywhere or possibly anywhere. have a fun day the CUBS are winning , swept the METS, and all is right with the world for now... Ted Bleiman K9MDM MDM Radio If its in stock...we've got it! P O Box 31353 Chicago, IL 60631-0353 773.631.5130 fax 773.775.8096 web http://www.mdmradio.com - email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] DIRECT ALL EMAIL Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter
At 4/23/2008 23:30, you wrote: Cannot see any braid without undoing one of the N connectors on the RG214 jumper. You can scrape a tiny piece of the outer jacket off at the connector take a peek. If the jumper is going to be outside, that area will need to be weatherproofed anyway. Connectors are evidently not Amphenol, unless they didn't mark them as such. The cable says RG214/U. Connectors marked 74868 UG-1185/U Seems to be good quality. No leakage that I can tell, and zero resistance from one end to the other, so should be good to go. Leakage isn't the issue. Nonlinearity is. You can't measure that with a DMM. If that RG-214 jumper has copper shield, you may start experiencing desense within a couple of years after installation. Bob NO6B
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Carrier Control Timer (use the COR-2 circuit)
The 555 is dedicated as a timing device. When you work with it for any amount of time you come to realize the design and layout is very practical and the chip is now considered an industry work-horse. But it can be used in linear applications... so never say never. The LM324 is a quad op-amp and one of the poor ones. About the only advantage is 4 in one package. When is good enough, good enough? Internally frequency compensated for unity gain Large DC voltage gain 100 dB Wide bandwidth (unity gain) 1 MHz (temperature compensated) Wide power supply range: Single supply 3V to 32V or dual supplies ±1.5V to ±16V Very low supply current drain (700 µA)-essentially independent of supply voltage Low input biasing current 45 nA (temperature compensated) Low input offset voltage 2 mV and offset current: 5 nA Input common-mode voltage range includes ground Differential input voltage range equal to the power supply voltage Large output voltage swing 0V to V+ - 1.5V Another well known industry work-horse chip. Sometimes you might not want a high performance chip in the drivers seat. There are many cases where higher spec parts can work to well. As for use as a timer the 324 needs lots of glue to make it work. Not saying don't use it, but for a timing device the 555 is made for this with lots of flexibility. Sure the 555 is an industry standard timer chip, but an op amp section can easily be made into a timer function without much work. The Hamtronics COR-3 circuit is a perfect example of where one chip does both functions very well. If you want a op-amp I prefer the LF353 for audio and the LM358 has the rail-to-rail service and is better than a 324. If one wants to get nit picky over chips... I've got page lists of better audio chip data sheets. But the 324 is more than good enough for many tasks. A big plus is the cost per package makes it a great dollar value. I once had to rework a simple op-amp design using the LM-3900 Norton chip because it was the only animal that didn't immediately go crazy at the mega watt rf-environment location. Sometimes dumb, stupid and lower performance chips are the more practical or cost effective answer. However, cost per pacakge most often seems to be the person in the drivers seat making really large quantity chip purchases. cheers, s.
Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Carrier Control Timer (use the COR-2 circuit)
At 4/23/2008 05:13, you wrote: The 555 is dedicated as a timing device. ...which is all it does. The LM324 is a quad op-amp and one of the poor ones. ...which is why I said I now use the TLV2374. As for use as a timer the 324 needs lots of glue to make it work. Depends on what you're doing. For a simple COR circuit, I find it simpler to implement than the 555. For pulse-triggered applications yes it would get a little more complicated, but for the COR circuits being discussed this isn't an issue. If you want a op-amp I prefer the LF353 for audio and the LM358 has the rail-to-rail service and is better than a 324. There are actually lots of choices in this area, even if limiting oneself to through-hole devices (yes they still exist!). The LMC6484 is near perfect: rail-to-rail operation no crossover distortion issues. But for that perfection you'll pay a bit more for the chip. Bob NO6B
Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
The latest trick around here is to tie on to power poles and pull them over to steal the aluminum wiring and the pole pig. Personally, I don't think $50 worth of scrap metal is worth a shocking experience.
[Repeater-Builder] Re: 555Timer (show me the money)
Re: 555Timer (show me the money) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Show me a quad 555 in one package. There was one once actually, the 558. Was sold by Radio Shack. Can't find them anywhere now, though. The 558 is still around but will more rapidly die out/off because of their function/logic limitations compared to the standard 555 design. The LM558 Quad timer has significant differences when compared to the 555 and 556 timers. The biggest issue is how individual LM558 timers are not designed to operate in the Astable Mode. Show me a 555 used as an audio amp. Well, although not the most practical path... the 555 output will directly drive a speaker. We see it used in a number of code practice and audio oscillator applications. Probably wouldn't be ultra hard to trigger or modulate the chip with a lower level signal... and wha'la! an audio amplifier. I can build a complete COR/hangtime/TOT/audio interface using one LM324 (actually, nowdays I prefer the TLV2374 - less crossover distortion better rail-to-rail performance). The question is... can you actually hear the difference in performance? or in most common basic op amp low frequency audio circuits, would you actually be able to see the performance with basic test gear? Hamtronics did the same functions in their COR-2 circuit using two 8-pin dip 555-Timer Chips, a few bipolar transistors and similar misc parts. The physical foot print is about the same. Building these type of circuits is a real hands-on electronics education well worth the time and money. Many of you wonder where the guru types learn this type of electronics... Build a Hamtronics COR-3 kit and you'll know a lot more about how this type of electronics works in the real world. Hard to find this type of education in any school. 555s/556s certainly have their place, but for something as simple as the above I find the rail-to-rail op amp more convenient straightforward. Bob NO6B The Hamtronics COR-3 is the op-amp version of the circuit you describe and a later production design versus the COR-2 555 Timer. Although the COR-2 information is not on the Hamtronics web page manual download section the complete COR-3 Manual (with circuit diagram) is available free. Well worth a look if you'd like to see how Hamtronics does it... cheers, s.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Obtaining a Repeater Site (HOW)
I would have to agree with Ron. My solution was to buy a site. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Obtaining a Repeater Site (HOW) Gary, Tower or repeater sites are gold today with the influx of cell phones where a provider will pay $20k/yr for a single site. Also, the insurance influences a tower owner for the more he/she has the higher the insurance. Also, few tower owners want to bother with a non-paying customer. Again tower space is gold these days. I have found one needs someone on the inside. Contact your local EOC, not the police or fire, but a department that handles disasters. Here in Florida all counties have large EOCs with money. They also have the power to get things installed above the other gov radio shop personnel. The EOCs know and respond to Ham Radio if they are convinced you can provide a service. This last issue is often hard to get together and maintain, but if done can be a plus for getting a site especially if it will not cost the county any money, only space. About all major sites, 200 ft+, here in my area have someone inside. A broadcast engineer or a Ham who can get the attention of the powers to be. My site was provided by a FM station where the Chief Engr was a devoted Ham. Got a site 1175 ft above ground and use of 1300 ft of 1-5/8 feedline sharing a UHF installation. You simply showing up with a dog and pony show will do little. You are often talking to someone who knows little about Ham Radio and really has many other issues to deal with. I know of few repeater owners in your position and it is like pulling teeth. Most tower owners will give you encouragement, but in the end do nothing to help. A repeater is a liability to a site owner, not an asset in their eyes. Definitively use the community service approach...ARES/RACES, Skywarn, public service. This goes a long way. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: garyp609 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/22 Tue PM 05:18:18 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Obtaining a Repeater Site (HOW) I hope this isn't off topic but I am hoping that someone can help. I am trying to secure a site for our repeater club in the Atlantic City, NJ area. Does anyone have any pointers on how to obtain a site. I have been getting a run around from most of the casinos and tower locations in the city. Nobody seems even remotely interested in giving us access. I showed and told them about the benefits of Ham Radio and the service we provide but it falls on deaf ears. Any help, suggestions or connections would be appreciated. 73's Gary K2ACY Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter
I have that on my site: http://www.tabajara-labs.com.br/eletronica/gambiarras/ Send me the photos and I'll put there :o) I just got back from a visit to the 'Gambiarras where I fell out of my chair laffing so hard... LOL is putting it TOO mildly Take a look around, there are other great photos scattered over the site. I think the best one is the screw fuse :o)
Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
My problem is most of the people that trespass onto my property is kids from the mid to lower class housing development to the West of my property. Even if you're justified in shooting a kid you will be condemned in the press and harassed by the law enforcement officers. Short answer: Make friends. It is unbelievable how good friends can help. If you have a good living and live in a pouch of powertry, you can always help a bit people around you. You'll improve your life, their lives and save your equipment. Because even the drug-heads around them will help to protect your property. They will saye don't mess with Paul's things. He is our friend and always willing to help when we need!. Been there, done that. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
That's another advantage - the FCC would be looking for the person(s) responsible and that would be more charges they could add. Joe M. Ron Wright wrote: The FCC and FAA get real upset with towers that have dead or defective tower lights. This will get their attention real quick. The station off the air only upsets the tower/radio stn owners. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: MCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/23 Wed AM 01:10:54 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Same difference if they cut the light power lines. Guess anyone with a lit tower would be guilty of it, then. Joe M. Barry C' wrote: Premeditated manslaugther .. MM nah thank but no thanks -- To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:05:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft My way is prevention. Once they hit that Heliax, they don't be hitting any more tower sites - preventing the next guy and likely saving some of your lines. Your way is just passing the problem on to the next site. (not meant as criticism per se) By weeding out all the scum, the problem is prevented. Joe M. Barry C' wrote: Prevention is better than a cure ( which you keep secrete) Geovision siftware and some old cctv cams is cheap connected to some sort of high intensity light source tends to slow them down ... -- To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety) through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light? (or even as an unterminated open circuit) That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces. I know excessive force. But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive? Wrap it with tape that says warning - dangerous voltage. Joe M. Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote: There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective about who they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of who they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen. Regulations as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help. Something has GOT to be done. WB5OXQ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM -- before someone else does Find the job of your dreams http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064 http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM -- Grab it. You dream job is up for grabs. http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596065 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
Wow. Guess that power company will be brought up on charger for manslaughter. ;- Joe M. Paul Finch wrote: Guess you guys did not see the email floating around about the thief that was stealing wire from a power substation and grabbed the wrong wire with his insulated side cutters. Short non-graphic story he was in three pieces and there was zero blood. Paul *From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Barry C' *Sent:* Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:28 AM *To:* repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Premeditated manslaugther .. MM nah thank but no thanks To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:05:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft My way is prevention. Once they hit that Heliax, they don't be hitting any more tower sites - preventing the next guy and likely saving some of your lines. Your way is just passing the problem on to the next site. (not meant as criticism per se) By weeding out all the scum, the problem is prevented. Joe M. Barry C' wrote: Prevention is better than a cure ( which you keep secrete) Geovision siftware and some old cctv cams is cheap connected to some sort of high intensity light source tends to slow them down ... -- To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety) through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light? (or even as an unterminated open circuit) That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces. I know excessive force. But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive? Wrap it with tape that says warning - dangerous voltage. Joe M. Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote: There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective about who they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of who they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen. Regulations as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help. Something has GOT to be done. WB5OXQ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM -- before someone else does Find the job of your dreams http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064 http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM Grab it. You dream job is up for grabs. http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596065 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
I have a 401 Magnum revolver. Only bullets I could find for it were made for the old 38/40, which are .400 diameter, 3/4 jacket flat nose. Used to have a 45 ACP that had full jacketed bullets. Many bullets semi or full jacketed, some plain lead. No matter how you look at it, can do some hurt... I have a guy here that i wonder about. He may get some of the wire he salvages from abandonded houses, but some I wonder. He had some cable that he was trying to figure out how to strip the wire. I looked at it, the ding bat didn't know it was fiber optic cable, no metal at all I don't ever want to catch him messing with any of my wire. Texas is a lot more lenient on who one is allowed to shoot. Wayne WA2YNE On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:04:04 -0500, George Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: DCFluX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 22, 2008 10:31 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft Most bullets these days are made of copper. Perfect! He wants copper, we'll give him copper.. although buckshot hurts more! -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Obtaining a Repeater Site (HOW)
Gary, You may be doing what many of us do - looking to the sky and starting a wish list of the highest spots we can see. Consider instead the 8- to 10-story commercial buildings in the area which may not have any current RF tenants. I've had very good luck over the years getting sites like these, and they're often much less prone to lightning damage, intermod, and other problems common at the elite sites. Develop a track record as a trouble-free tenant and community asset, then knock on doors at the casinos, if you want. You're on the right track pitching the public service benefits to the community, but make sure it's done in a credible way, and not overstated. Sending clippings from other states where hams saved the world can be a real eye-roller for a building manager. A brief description of a legitimate, local community need you're seeking to fill is a better approach, especially if a reputable charity or ARES will support you with a letter. Keep in mind that you're focused on selling what the repeater can do for its users and the community, but the building manager will be most concerned with, how big a pain in the butt is this gonna be? How you answer that question will be the deciding factor, and how much of his time you take answering it will matter, too. While on that topic, make sure your machine uses good equipment, runs legally, and is trouble-free. Don't cobble together something that will require frequent service visits, or become known as the repeater that always pushes the regulatory envelope. It only takes one nose out of joint in the local commercial land mobile or ham community to screw up a free site. In the end, it's a numbers game. You may have to approach 40 potential sites, and endure 39 hell no's before you find the manager who'll say, sure, why not. Consider working with hams who belong to local business, religious and fraternal groups. Connections help. I got access to a 10-story hotel rooftop in Buffalo, NY in the early 80's, along with AC power, a small indoor closet, and a phone extension off their switchboard for control/patch. All management wanted in return was to have us visit the bar once in a while. (Our whole three-member club!) I was able to help arrange in the mid-80s for the Atlanta Radio Club to get free space and power for ham repeaters on four bands at the 1400-foot level of a broadcast tower, because management needed to demonstrate to potential land mobile clients what the site could cover. Obviously, success here can be a mixed blessing if the paying tenants you attract eventually displace you. Then again, what a great history to take to the next landlord you pitch! (The ham repeaters are still there, 20+ years later.) The last site I got was the roof of a 18-story office building where there were no RF tenants and no AC power. We prepared an outdoor cabinet, and I built a solar/battery power system for the repeater. Later, we got AC power, and helped the building get a wireless internet provider to come on as a paying tenant. 10 years after I moved away, the wireless provider is gone, but the repeater is still there. Initial contact needs to be well-presented and BRIEF. A one page letter may be as much time as they'll spend on you. Make sure it communicates how unintrusive the repeater will be to the building and its tenants, that hams are not compensated for their service, and that the repeater will be a community asset. If you already have a track record of LOCAL public service, put it in the attachments, not the cover letter. That first page should be a very brief executive summary. Visual impact is a very big deal to many of these guys. Some office building owners are very proud of their architecture. Be sensitive to this, and ready to go low-profile with antennas, if that's what it takes to get the deal done. (I once had to put up an antenna, take pictures from surrounding streets, and let commercial tenants look at it for a week before getting approval to procede.) Get a written lease or memo of understanding, even if there's no rent, so your handshake survives changes in building management or turnover in maintenance staff. Make it clear you want to be contacted, and will respond quickly, if the repeater causes any problems, or needs to be shut down or moved for painting or remodeling. Make sure your callsign and contact info are kept up to date, both in that file, and on the outside of your equipment cabinet. If, three years from now, nobody remembers what it is, they may cut the cables and put it in the dumpster. No shortcuts! There may be building codes, insurance requirements or expectations from the maintenance department that seem like overkill to you. You must respect them all. If you get the building in trouble with code enforcement, compromise the lightning protection scheme, frequently blow breakers or create a water leak into the lawyer's office on the top floor, you're dead meat. Conversely, anytime you're at
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Cushman C E-3 Operations / Service Manual - Available?
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, ocwarren2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Laryn Lohman larynl@ wrote: --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, ocwarren2000 w7tio@ wrote: Hi everybody... The replacment CD-ROM of the Cushman CE-3 Operations / Service Manual came today, and so far it doesn't look like a mismarked Lotus Pro install system! I've uploaded it into this board's files. Should this manual be available immediately, or does it take some time to be posted? I'm not finding it anywhere, yet. Laryn K8TVZ Good quetion... I have no idea, and I thought I put it there!! Dick, W7TIO I don't have all the answeres, but while it looked like it was uploaded OK, it might have only looked like it did... a simulation I also had a note that it should be uploaded to www.repeater- builder.com , but I watched it closer this time, and it only repeated false starts!! I've uploaded family pictures and data in emails to my grandkids, but never had this much trouble! Maybe someone of the Moderators can enlighten us... this is frustration...!!! Hahahaha!! Dick, W7TIO
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: More on Copper theft
having received a couple of small RF burns, I can attest that they do hurt. A big burn would be very painful indeed. 48KW? Akin to maybe the old Chair at Sing Sing? I don't wanna be near that... Wayne WA2YNE On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:36:37 -0500, Mike Besemer (WM4B) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://radioinsight.com/boards/index.php?t=msg http://radioinsight.com/boards/index.php?t=msggoto=58094rid=0S=67a57780f 5f76038ba7ec84fc7e17077#msg_58094 goto=58094rid=0S=67a57780f5f76038ba7ec84fc7e17077#msg_58094 From what I understand, they took an ax to the feedline and collected up the pieces, along with whatever else they could carry. This is a 48 KW ERP radio station. I wonder if the RF burns hurt?! Mike WM4B -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] spectra radio dead from ebay
thanks byron i already figured out from that website that the ignition sense wire needs to be hooked up to the back i see 01/90 on different websites as a general hardware failure any more detailed info such as board lever repairs ou there its probably too much to ask that someone would be an ex tech that would know that problem for all i know the radio lost programming wm9v To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:01:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] spectra radio dead from ebay Start here: http://www.batlabs.com/spectra.html Bryon Jeffers KØBSJ mikewm9v wrote: spectra radio dead from ebay want to fix this radio no display need schematics need to know if radio will power up without control head has front panel pcb has power in entire unit do i need ignition sense hooked up recapped display board and will recap other boards will sit down with other boards and scope out radio used but not too abused have mic also have extra wavetek 2000b monitor 15 years as bench tech for radio shack i did all the scanners and amateur radio equipment for them wm9v Yahoo! Groups Links _ Make i'm yours. Create a custom banner to support your cause. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Contribute/Default.aspx?source=TXT_TAGHM_MSN_Make_IM_Yours
RE: [Repeater-Builder] spectra radio dead from ebay
thanks mark it displays 01/90 code any motorola experts out there? i need board level help if it has bad custom ics then its a waste of time if the rest of the caps are baad then i will replace To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:16:03 -0500 Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] spectra radio dead from ebay YES... Radio will not power up without it (ignition sense wire). Mark – N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of mikewm9v spectra radio dead from ebay want to fix this radio no display need schematics need to know if radio will power up without control head has front panel pcb has power in entire unit do i need ignition sense hooked up recapped display board and will recap other boards will sit down with other boards and scope out radio used but not too abused have mic also have extra wavetek 2000b monitor 15 years as bench tech for radio shack i did all the scanners and amateur radio equipment for them wm9v _ Spell a grand slam in this game where word skill meets World Series. Get in the game. http://club.live.com/word_slugger.aspx?icid=word_slugger_wlhm_admod_april08
Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
A local AM station here in Waco recently had much of its rack mounted equipment stolen during the daytime and it was not noticed until that night when the site which was only on the air after sunset would not come on line. Thieves got away with this since many tower sites are located in cow pastures with nobody around to see what is going on (except the cows). I have since installed alarm systems on the buildings with wireless cellular backups in case thieves cut the phone line to the transmitter site. Too bad thieves did not try to touch the tower when it was energized. 10kw of rf can burn you pretty bad and I doubt the transmitter would shut down quickly from only a human body shunting it to ground. Those new Harris DX10 solid state am transmitters may not be as sensitive to a slight change is swr as some of the older tube rigs may be. Only problem with alarm systems is the law is sometimes way too late getting to a remote site! WB5OXQ - Original Message - From: Paul Finch To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:35 AM Subject: RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft In the tower building I have several customers, paging, public service, Wi-Fi, trunking systems as well as my Ham repeaters and it scares me to no end that they are going to get in the building and try and steal or vandalize something. Paul -- Here in Texas you can use deadly force to protect your property, day or night. Might be a good idea to move to the site for security with as big a weapon you can handle. David = From: MCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/04/22 Tue PM 11:11:04 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft But, they don't know the value of that, and likely don't have any outlets to get money from it. But, they DO know the value of copper, and there are plenty of scrap yards.. BUT, you would think that the first few cuts would have deterred them since the majority of the metal is NOT copper - as you can clearly see in the photos. I bet the left the connectors on the strike plate, too (assuming there is one). Joe M. Paul Finch wrote: And left a $200.00 connector. Paul -- *From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Juan Tellez *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:10 PM *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft __,_._,__*/ /*Here is a picture of what happen last week in one of my sites:_ *//* *//* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1390 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 4:23 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM
Re: Fw: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter
Oops. I forgot to forward it to the list, as mentioned at the bottom. You guys will love this! Nate Nate Duehr wrote: Paul Holm wrote: - Original Message - From: Nate Duehr Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter Hey! That's mine! Don't laugh, it's a free site. They even pick up the electric bill. This is the first repeater that our club put up on it's own. Inside is a converted MastrII mobile that I learned to make into a repeater by the stuff on R-B website and by following this list. That's TOTALLY cool! It's sits just inside from the World's Largest Ball of Twine Made by One Man.. http://www.darwintwineball.com/ How's that for 'folksy'? That's even cooler! Inside the Ball of Twine... what a great place for a repeater! (BIG GRIN) - I like the huge coil of 1/2 hardline with a big kink in it. I guess they forgot the hacksaw and connectors. - BTW, I don't see the kink. Are you sure? Either I left out a link, or you missed one... that was the next photo, not from your website!!! I *knew* after Googling those, someone would pop up and say, HEY! That's my repeater! The Ball of Twine thing just tickles me... that's way cool! I can't help myself Paul, you sent this reply off-list, but people HAVE to see the Ball of Twine!!! I'll CC it back to the list! (Or maybe you sent both to the list and to me personally -- if so, apologies to the list for the duplicate.) :-) I want my repeater in a cool big *ss ball of twine now too! Do you guys talk about it on-air with travelers? (Yeah, did you see that big sign for the ball of twine on the Interstate? The repeater's inside the ball of twine.) I love it!!! Nate WY0X
[Repeater-Builder] RE: Need help with Motorola MSR-2000 repeater.
Hi group, Just for your information, this is the result of my experimentation with my MSR2000 amplifier. The trouble was on the Power control Module and the fault part was the Power Output adjustment (50K pot). To troubleshoot this I have put a ground on PIN5 on the OP Amp. via a 1K resistor to create a simulation and a beautiful 150Watts appear on the Bird. Maybe someone of you want to add this note in your manual 73 Eric _ De : Eric Vincent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : 20 avril, 2008 21:47 À : 'Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com' Objet : Need help with Motorola MSR-2000 repeater. Hi everyone. I have trouble with a TLD2601A 100 Watts VHF amplifier for a Motorola repeater MSR-2000. By touching the pot of power control, I lost all the RF power and nothing since. The exciter module is fully functional and put 400mW. The power supply is ok and I found all voltage on RF transistors, I feel that the TX switching is no longer works. I have the service manual for 30W station but nothing on 100Watts. On the left side of the amplifier I have a Molex plug with 4 wires and I dont know what is made for. Maybe somebody on the group has experience with that and can help me? Thank you. Eric
RE: [Repeater-Builder] spectra radio dead from ebay
Here is a link to the error codes. http://www.repeater-builder.com/motorola/spectra/spectra-error-codes.html FAIL 01/90 is a general failure code. Not sure what may have caused that. However, there is a LOT of information to be had at www.Repeater-Builder.com . Good luck! Mark - N9WYS From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike mike Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:42 PM To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] spectra radio dead from ebay thanks mark it displays 01/90 code any motorola experts out there? i need board level help if it has bad custom ics then its a waste of time if the rest of the caps are baad then i will replace _ To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:16:03 -0500 Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] spectra radio dead from ebay YES... Radio will not power up without it (ignition sense wire). Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of mikewm9v spectra radio dead from ebay want to fix this radio no display need schematics need to know if radio will power up without control head has front panel pcb has power in entire unit do i need ignition sense hooked up recapped display board and will recap other boards will sit down with other boards and scope out radio used but not too abused have mic also have extra wavetek 2000b monitor 15 years as bench tech for radio shack i did all the scanners and amateur radio equipment for them wm9v _ Spell a grand slam in this game where word skill meets World Series. Get in the game. http://club.live.com/word_slugger.aspx?icid=word_slugger_wlhm_admod_april08 image001.jpg
RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
There was a guy in the area near here who owned a bar... The bar was burglarized repeatedly, so the owner wired the window bars to 220V. Needless to say, when Mr. Burglar came back again, he was found the next day - still in the window. The family successfully sued, and the local prosecutor tried to prosecute the owner for reckless conduct... unsuccessfully, but the guy still has the arrest on his record. Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of MCH Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety) through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light? (or even as an unterminated open circuit) That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces. I know excessive force. But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive? Wrap it with tape that says warning - dangerous voltage. Joe M.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood KTR-820 info needed
Give me a couple of days to dig up my notes, Frank... I interfaced a CAT-300 to a TKR-820. (You DID meant to write TRK, not KTR, correct?) The internal controller MUST be disconnected and some of the lines jumpered to get it to work properly. Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Fran Im building a Kenwood KTR-820 repeater useing the Arcom RC-210 controller. I'm in the process of wiring a Comspec Tone board for my CTCSS PL tones. Any help would be appreciated. I tried to use the internal controller for my PL tones but when I plug the internal controller plug back I lose COS control on the Arcom. Frank
[Repeater-Builder] Zetron 38A Manual
Does anyone have the schematics for a Zetron Model 38A repeater controller? The pages are blank in my manual and I need to fix it. Thanks, Jack K6YC
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter
Thanks, I had no way of knowing that. Tells me the connectors are good parts. The 4 Heliax connectors I bought with the cable are Andrew connectors. I'm wondering when the Andrew web site will be back up. Is it based in taiwan? I know they had problems there due to a major quake that shut many things down. I have a fairly good assortment on other N connectors, various brands that don't give me a real clue as to what cables they were actually made for use with. Some I can usually simply use with whatever size cable jacket fits through the gland nut... I should post a few part nubers and brands later. Wayne WA2YNE On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:39:48 -0500, Glenn Little WB4UIV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The number before UG-1185/U is a cage code. This identifies who manufactured the item. In this case: AMPHENOL AEROSPACE - RF MICROWAVE CONNECTOR OPERATIONS ONE KENNEDY AVENUE DANBURY, CT 06810 Cage Code: 74868 Tel.: 1-800-627-7100 It is a marked Amphenol connector. 73 Glenn WB4UIV At 02:30 AM 4/24/2008, Wayne wrote: Cannot see any braid without undoing one of the N connectors on the RG214 jumper. Connectors are evidently not Amphenol, unless they didn't mark them as such. The cable says RG214/U. Connectors marked 74868 UG-1185/U Seems to be good quality. No leakage that I can tell, and zero resistance from one end to the other, so should be good to go. Wayne WA2YNE -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: More on Copper theft
__,_._,__ Here is a picture of what happen last week in one of my sites:_ Hmmm... Can't see a picture here. Is it because I'm reading the list on the Web instead of emails?? Laryn K8TVZ
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood TKR-820 info needed
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, n9wys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Give me a couple of days to dig up my notes, Frank... I interfaced a CAT-300 to a TKR-820. (You DID meant to write TRK, not KTR, correct?) The internal controller MUST be disconnected and some of the lines jumpered to get it to work properly. Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Fran Im building a Kenwood KTR-820 repeater useing the Arcom RC-210 controller. I'm in the process of wiring a Comspec Tone board for my CTCSS PL tones. Any help would be appreciated. I tried to use the internal controller for my PL tones but when I plug the internal controller plug back I lose COS control on the Arcom. Frank Thanks, Yes it is a TKR-820 Kenwood, I jumpered on connector CN1 off the internal controller jumping out pins 2-3, 8-9 and 10-11. I have a Com-Spec TS64 that I'm working on wiring to the accy plug on the 820. Frank Thanks for your help!!! KB2AYS
Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
UInless I wind up being able to put mine at the volunteer fire station, it will be here at my home. Three dogs here at night who will make a racket, not to mention a nice 40 caliber magnum revolver. Legal enough as long as I don't carry it concealed. More freedom here in Pecos County... Wayne WA2YNE Imperial, Tejas... 441.950 TX 446.950 RX 167.9 On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:15:58 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here in Texas you can use deadly force to protect your property, day or night. Might be a good idea to move to the site for security with as big a weapon you can handle. David - -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood TKR-820 info needed
At 08:41 PM 04/23/08, you wrote: --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, n9wys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Give me a couple of days to dig up my notes, Frank... I interfaced a CAT-300 to a TKR-820. (You DID meant to write TRK, not KTR, correct?) The internal controller MUST be disconnected and some of the lines jumpered to get it to work properly. Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Fran Im building a Kenwood KTR-820 repeater useing the Arcom RC-210 controller. I'm in the process of wiring a Comspec Tone board for my CTCSS PL tones. Any help would be appreciated. I tried to use the internal controller for my PL tones but when I plug the internal controller plug back I lose COS control on the Arcom. Frank Thanks, Yes it is a TKR-820 Kenwood, I jumpered on connector CN1 off the internal controller jumping out pins 2-3, 8-9 and 10-11. I have a Com-Spec TS64 that I'm working on wiring to the accy plug on the 820. Frank Thanks for your help!!! KB2AYS Here are my notes on a TS-64: Red wire is + DC power in Black is ground The green wire is the AUDIO INPUT. Hook this to the receiver discriminator. Ground the violet HANGUP wire or it will stay in pass the audio mode all the time. This is the biggest single error in connecting on the TS64 - if it is acting like it's dead right out of the box (i.e. not decoding) make sure that the hang-up lead (the purple wire) is grounded. Use the white MUTE wire for decode logic output. By default it uses open collector active high signalling (i.e. this signal will go high for decode), but it needs a resistor from this pin to a voltage source to do it. If you need active low install jumper JP7 to cause the signal to go to ground on decode. The yellow wire is the ENCODE OUT. This is the audio that is run to the transmitter modulator. The orange wire is the PTT input. Ground this to switch the tone encoder on. When ground is removed the encoder phase is shifted (i.e. reverse burst), and the encoder stops 160ms later. The gray wire is the PTT OUT. This signal goes low when the orange wire is grounded and stays low for the duration of the grounded input plus the reverse burst timing. In normal mobile radio use the PTT lead from the microphone would be disconnected from the radio and be connected to the orange wire, and the grey wire be connected to the point in the radio where the microphone PTT lead was. The blue wire is the FILTERED AUDIO OUT. The path from the green wire (in) and the blue wire (out) has a high pass / low cut audio filter in line, designed to remove the subaudible tone from the user audio. This is an installers choice - You can feed the blue wire back into the receve audio connection (i.e. cut a trace and have the source go to green and the destination go to blue). This type of radio surgery is very radio dependent. Many radios have a high pass filter in them from the factory and in that case you can simply tape off the blue wire and ignore it. Mike WA6ILQ
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood KTR-820 info needed
At 12:54 PM 04/22/08, you wrote: Im building a Kenwood KTR-820 repeater useing the Arcom RC-210 controller. I'm in the process of wiring a Comspec Tone board for my CTCSS PL tones. Any help would be appreciated. I tried to use the internal controller for my PL tones but when I plug the internal controller plug back I lose COS control on the Arcom. Frank This was posted on the Scom yahoogroup a while back... From some old notes: TKR-720/820 Accessory Connector: Pin 1 - jumper to pin 11 Pin 2 - transmit audio ground Pin 3 - modulator in (used as external PL injection input - don't use for anything else) Pin 4 - discriminator out (hook the audio in of any external PL/DPL decoder(s) here, otherwise don't use) Pin 5 - Transmit audio in (if using shielded cable - recommended - tie shield to pin 2) Pin 6 - external speaker ground (see pin 12) (jumper to pin 11) Pin 7 +12vDC out of the TKR - will source up to 1 amp - you can power an external comtroller from this Pin 8 - PTT in (ground to xmit - must set timeout timer in TKR to off) Pin 9 - speaker terminal (jumper to pin 12 to enable internal speaker) Pin 10 - de-emphasized receiver audio (i.e. repeat audio out) Pin 11 - ground Pin 12 - speaker audio out - jumper to pin 9 Pin 13 - COS out (set repeater to carrier sq mode and use external PL decoder) Pin 14 and Pin 15 are empty holes in the Molex plug (i.e. are not used) Pin 1 on the 820 must be grounded to tell the TKR to use an external controller and a jumper must be between pins 9 and 12 to enable the internal speaker. My old notes don't say WHY it was that I set the TKR repeater to carrier squelch mode and used the external PL decoder. WD8CHL pointed out that... The COS output will be either true COS or TOS if programmed for tone squelch rx. To use the internal decoder, and still have a true COS out (to allow the external controller to switch to carrier sq on command) requires some internal wiring and sacrificing a pin on the Molex from another function. Which then leaves the unit non-standard, and a cable/controller from another repeater will be wrong. I would use pin 14. Least likely to cause a conflict. Also, you'll need the book to find the right place to tap it. And watch out for the fact that the front panel squelch is NOT the same as the squelch on the tone board!!! Mike WA6ILQ
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Info Wanted: RE: Motorola Channel Elements parts
I posted on this subject awhile back. Do a search on posts by my user name. Basically, there are two caps towards the edge of the circuit board (opposite of the trimmer/socket end) that vary anywhere from 5- 33pf. Install the crystal, then play with the value of these two caps. I have found that I usally need to reduce the capacitance a little, and the crystals net right on. I've never had to change an inductor. Pick up the small capacitor assortment that Radio Shack sells - it has about 50 caps in the 5-33pf range. I use them all the time to replace the original caps in the elements. Before you start changing the caps, first install the crystal and fire it up, and while watching your frequency counter or service monitor, set the warp trimmer to midpoint (halfway between the lowest and highest freq settings possible). Then start playing with the capacitor value until the crystal is as close to your desired frequency as possible. This simple step will ensure that you can adjust the crystal adequately up or down as needed in the future, as well as the initial setup. If the capacitor swap gets you within 2Khz or so, the trimmer should have enough pull to net you on center frequency. If I recall, the capacitor in question is usually red, and while holding the element component-side up and plug-in end towards you, the cap is to the far left corner. Speaking of elements, I need to call Bomar tomorrow - a one-year old 440MHz repeater crystal decided over the weekend to jump 25Khz high - right onto the input of another repeater! Same PL no less! (Here in the NE every other 25KHz pair flips low-in hi-out and vice versa) I think someone was going to take my original post about compensating elements and place it on repeater-builder, but I never noticed it there. Hopefully it will save others some money. It always amazed me that guys would embark on a large project building, wiring, and tuning a repeater, but the simple task of re-crystalling and netting elements always seemed to be intimidating. Most likely due to lack of info being published on the subject. Eric KE2D --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, w4dg.geo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently ordered TX and RX crystals from ICM for the MICOR RT Station. I specified the correct FC and FX and catalog # 167380 for MOT KNX1018C TX (132-174). When these crystals were received they would not net on frequency. The TX was over 20Khz. high and would not net any closer. I notified ICM and their Customer Service Dept., agreed to replace the TX crystal. When I received this replacement crystal, it was over 30Khz. high! I sent another email and got a reply from the owner, Royden Freeland, W5EMH, stating the following: To get the crystal to tune properly you will need to change L1 to 2.6-2.7uh and C6 to 1-10 pf depending on the crystal to get it on frequency at close to center trim. Each element was compensated and tuned for the original crystal so if you are changing frequency very far there can be problems. Motorola generally used a crystal load of 32pf in elements with trimmers and varied components within the element to bring it on frequency. ICM will be happy to install the crystal and compensate the element if you would prefer. We would charge $60.00 to install and compensate your element and crystal. I have printed out the channel element schmetic and picture (from W3KCC) repeater-Builders website and see that C6 is the trimmer and L1, but no values are represented. Can anyone tell me what the current value of the inductor L1 is? If it's currently higher in value, can it be rewound for the 2.7uH inductance ICM references? I believe there is enough room to insert a fixed cap of proper C in series to drop the tuning range of the C6, to perhaps the 1-10pf. I have looked at Mouser Electronics for a trimmer 1- 10pf and 2.7uH axil-lead inductor, L1without success. If they are available, can you please stear me to where I can purchase one or both? I always thought that you sent ICOM's back for temperature compensation and not for simple exchance of crystals. I have never needed to to that with any GE MASTR series TX RX or Mocom 70 series or any EF Johnson series that simply required new crystals. But again, that was 20 years ago, which is a long time. Any advice would be appreciated as I don't need to spend another $120 to install the crystal and compensate the element. TNX is advance...Dennis - W4DG
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Super StationmasterT Omni Fiberglass Antenna, information wanted
Good Evening, Eric and group - Not being a wiseguy, let me clarify that statement- Celwave USED TO manufacture the Stationmaster antennas. Now, like everything else nowadays, they actually subcontract out the manufacturing of the Stationmaster series. I just bought a PD455-5, and had an extremely long delivery time. After multiple ship-date changes, I finally got a supervisor on the phone who explained that their new subcontractor was having line issues. Sad. The original factory was a mile from my office. I used to drive over and pick up 30 antennas at a clip in the heyday of paging. Also picked up many duplexers and ham antennas over the years. Oh- it also cost me another $100 to have the antenna delivered. Apparently, it was drop-shipped from the subcontracted manufacturer, so pickup at their Meriden, CT facility was not in the cards. Eric KE2D --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe, RFS/Celwave continues to manufacture the Super StationMaster antennas pioneered by Phelps-Dodge. Go here: www.rfsworld.com/websearch/DataSheets/Default.aspx?q=220-2N for the data sheet. The PD220-2N antenna is designed to cover the 142-150 MHz band, but the gain is limited to 4.8 dBd due to length constraints. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 4:40 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Super StationmasterT Omni Fiberglass Antenna, information wanted Does anyone have the spec sheet for the Super StationmasterT Omni Fiberglass Antenna PD-220 for 2 meters? All I find are general specs from 25-299.9Mhz. I'm looking for actual gain in dBd and bandwidth. 73, Joe, K1ike
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 555Timer (show me the money)
At 4/23/2008 08:53, you wrote: I can build a complete COR/hangtime/TOT/audio interface using one LM324 (actually, nowdays I prefer the TLV2374 - less crossover distortion better rail-to-rail performance). The question is... can you actually hear the difference in performance? I once built an 8-pole Butterworth LPF plugged an LM324 into the socket, listened to the output using a separate speaker amp, then swapped out the LM324 with a TL084. I could definitely hear a touch of high frequency distortion with the LM324 that wasn't there when using the TL084. Bob NO6B
