RE: [Repeater-Builder] 2 tone paging tones
Your Motorola radios, both hand held and mobile can do 2-tone encode in a lot of models. Just set one up as your base unit or use a hand held and your set. I have an XTS2500 that I can do that with for testing fire pagers on low power and the antenna removed so it does not alert everyone in the county. Any questions just ask. Peter Summerhawk N0WRE From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jed Barton Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:22 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] 2 tone paging tones Hey guys, Perhaps some of you creative guys in public safety can help, or come up with some creative ones. I'm actually working on a few repeaters in the commercial band for our incident notification network. One of the things i thought about doing was using some of the old clasic plectron tones with the high low tones if some of you guys remember those. Anyone have any wave files that are clean, or any suggestions for good paging tones? Thanks, Jed No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.133/2612 - Release Date: 01/11/10 12:35:00
RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: 50 Watt Repeater
Eric, Thanks for that I will have to check my CPS as we run XTS2500's and on some channels the squelch tail is almost deafening when the repeater drops. I will have to take a look and see what our settings are and get them adjusted. Thanks for the information and reply. Peter Summerhawk From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 9:55 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: 50 Watt Repeater Peter, In the Advanced tab of the Motorola CPS, there is a check box labeled, Non-Standard Reverse Burst. When checked, the radio is programmed to encode and decode CTCSS reverse burst in the 180-degree format used by Kenwood and many other manufacturers. When unchecked- its default condition- the reverse burst is processed in 120-degree format, which is the Motorola standard. This must be properly programmed for each personality, since it operates on a per-channel basis. I use my HT1250 on a mixture of Motorola and Kenwood repeaters, and it is really nice for it to mute silently- both on my end and the repeater end- on all repeaters. All radios in the system must have reverse burst operative in both encode and decode mode for this feature to work properly. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Peter Dakota Summerhawk Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:54 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: 50 Watt Repeater Eric, So what settings should you have for the Motorola radios to avoid the squelch tail in the system? Reverse burst turned on or off? Thanks Peter Summerhawk From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:22 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: 50 Watt Repeater Paul, You have put your finger on the major difference between modern Motorola and Kenwood radios. Kenwood chose to equip their products to process only the 180-degree phase shift reverse-burst squelch tail elimination scheme, while Motorola Professional Series radios can be programmed for either 180-degree or 120-degree phase shift. TIA-603-C, the international standard for land-mobile radio performance, recognizes both reverse schemes as equally viable. Kenwood may recapture some market share, once their radios are equipped to encode and decode reverse burst in either scheme. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Paul Dumdie Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:12 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] RE: 50 Watt Repeater I have a TKR-750 repeater and like it. My only issue is that I use Motorola Portables and keep getting a squelch crash. What have you guys setting the setting for the reverse burst at to get rid of the squelch crash? Thanks! Paul R. Dumdie Jr. 73 W9DWP/R IRLP-NODE-4455 443.025/2A 145.270/1B/1Z/NAC-293 ARC-Radio-8 KCARES KCAPS HERD546 EX WB9QWZ WQGG738-462.725 AAR5CU/T www.riflesandradios.com www.theherd.com
RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: 50 Watt Repeater
Eric, So what settings should you have for the Motorola radios to avoid the squelch tail in the system? Reverse burst turned on or off? Thanks Peter Summerhawk From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:22 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: 50 Watt Repeater Paul, You have put your finger on the major difference between modern Motorola and Kenwood radios. Kenwood chose to equip their products to process only the 180-degree phase shift reverse-burst squelch tail elimination scheme, while Motorola Professional Series radios can be programmed for either 180-degree or 120-degree phase shift. TIA-603-C, the international standard for land-mobile radio performance, recognizes both reverse schemes as equally viable. Kenwood may recapture some market share, once their radios are equipped to encode and decode reverse burst in either scheme. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Paul Dumdie Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:12 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] RE: 50 Watt Repeater I have a TKR-750 repeater and like it. My only issue is that I use Motorola Portables and keep getting a squelch crash. What have you guys setting the setting for the reverse burst at to get rid of the squelch crash? Thanks! Paul R. Dumdie Jr. 73 W9DWP/R IRLP-NODE-4455 443.025/2A 145.270/1B/1Z/NAC-293 ARC-Radio-8 KCARES KCAPS HERD546 EX WB9QWZ WQGG738-462.725 AAR5CU/T www.riflesandradios.com www.theherd.com
[Repeater-Builder] Question on portable repeaters
Morning, We are looking at building a portable repeater for special even use. This will be mobile mounted and 2M. My questions is this: If we are using two radios (one for TX one for RX) then what does the antenna separation have to be for all of this to work? Planning on mounting this in a SUV so roof space can be adjusted if need be. Thanks Peter Dakota Summerhawk Laramie County ARES
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Question on portable repeaters
Ford Explorer if that helps. And yes I was looking for a 2M repeater even if the spacing does have to be more than 600Kh just curious if its doable. Thanks Peter From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Quirk Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:07 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Question on portable repeaters How big is the SUV? --- On Wed, 10/7/09, Eric Lemmon wb6...@verizon.net wrote: From: Eric Lemmon wb6...@verizon.net Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Question on portable repeaters To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 6:42 PM Peter, The only viable solution for a portable repeater on 2m is to use two widely-spaced frequencies, low power, and a compact base-station duplexer. Here in Central and Southern California, TASMA has wisely set aside two frequencies (144.930 input and 147.585 output) exclusively for temporary portable repeaters. The 2.655 MHz separation means that a small duplexer such as the Celwave 5085-1 can be used at low power, say 10 watts. I have just such a repeater in the final stages of construction, using a Motorola R1225 VHF duplex radio running about 8 watts- more than enough for emergency communications. The complete repeater is in a Pelican-style case that is about one cubic foot and weighs about 15 pounds. Separate antennas is really not an option here. Even with just 10 watts of power, the horizontal separation needed to avoid desense is over 9,500 feet horizontally or 150 feet vertically. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.c om [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.c om ] On Behalf Of Peter Dakota Summerhawk Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 4:15 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.c om Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Question on portable repeaters Morning, We are looking at building a portable repeater for special even use. This will be mobile mounted and 2M. My questions is this: If we are using two radios (one for TX one for RX) then what does the antenna separation have to be for all of this to work? Planning on mounting this in a SUV so roof space can be adjusted if need be. Thanks Peter Dakota Summerhawk Laramie County ARES Yahoo! Groups Links roups.com mailto:repeater-builder-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Repeater-Builder-fullfeatured@ yahoogroups.com ahoogroups.com
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Portable repeater
We use a couple of M-10 radios turned down to 10W and a simple controller along with the duplexer with a solar panel and deep cycle battery for our portable repeater and it seems to work very well. Just make sure that you have a controller to charge the battery properly and that the solar cell can keep it charged on a full duty cycle for the repeater. GM300 or GR300 can be used as long as your not driving them at full power or you will burn up the finals. Peter Summerhawk -Original Message- From: Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis kc8...@hotmail.com Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:58 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Portable repeater Use a solar panel to keep a charge on the battery. if the repeater is only 5 watts then a small solar panel will do the trick easily. you can get a 120 watt panel or an array of smaller panels for portability which will charge the battery plus run the repeater all day and allow the system to operate through the night on battery power. Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis I Recycle Computers Saving UnWanted PC's From The Landfill One Computer At A Time :) Note: I do Pickups the 1st week of the month. Owner: FreeStuffWarrenNJ Moderator: Hunterdonfree [The entire original message is not included]
RE: [Repeater-Builder] VHF repeater suggestions...
Len, Shot you an email off list. Peter -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Len Revelle Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 8:25 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] VHF repeater suggestions... Our local RACES group has a Kenwood TKR-720 driving a TPL PA that they were ill-advised to purchase some years ago. It is maintained by the county radio shop for various reasons and has been a nightmare. Once again the final in the Kenwood has done a meltdown. That said, the local EMA manager, also a new ham, wishes to replace it if he can squeeze the funds out somewhere. My recommendation, obviously the most expensive, was a Master III and new Arcom controller simply because the county already maintains three VHF M3's and a 5-site, 8-channel trunked system using 800 M3's. Parts and support are good. I would really appreciate input, both regarding setting up a Master III, or other viable repeater. We need, minimally, 100% duty-cycle at approximately 100 watts, good parts and support available, and reliability. Is there a decent source for M3's with P25 becoming more desirable, etc.. I don't want a, mine is better than yours, war so off-reflector replies are also welcome. TIA... Len Revelle N9IJ n...@comcast. mailto:n9ij%40comcast.net net
RE: [Repeater-Builder] GM300 repeater build ?2
Had the same problem on a M-10 setup that I was using. Do you run PL on your machine? I jumped the mic connection with a Dummy mic plug and the noise went away. Try that and see if that works. Peter -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of NORM KNAPP Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:14 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GM300 repeater build ?2 Sounds like you may be experiencing the phenomenom known as microphonics. - Original Message - From: Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com To: Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed May 13 20:53:04 2009 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] GM300 repeater build ?2 I just got my cat-200 controller programed up and i notice some oddities with my tx audio. I have a large fan that runs in the cabinet and the radios pick up the noise. Also , when i am transmitting into the repeater , i can tap on the speakers for both the tx and rx radio and you can hear the tapping on the output of the repeater . Best described as the speaker is acting like a microphone and that how the fan noise is getting in Any suggestions ?? Maybe disable the speaker from the jumpers between pin 15 and 16 ?
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood TK2180 software
Kenwood_rss has the software that you need. Peter -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of skipp025 Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 2:59 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood TK2180 software Hi Ed, If no one has already answered you... you're welcome to Email and/or call me. I'm an Authorized Kenwood Dealer and Service Station. Email probably gets the fastest response while I'm out in the field. cheers, skipp skipp...@yahoo. mailto:skipp025%40yahoo.com com www.radiowrench.com Ed Flipsen edw...@... wrote: Good Morning Since we have no Kenwood dealers in our area I was wondering if anyone has the programming software and required cables and documentation for the above mentioned Kenwood handheld for sale or know where I could acquire such a copy thanks Ed Flipsen Manager OnionLake Network Services edw...@... 306 344 5283 Network Services 306 344 5287 Fax 780 847 2200 Band Office The views and opinions of this author are not to be misconstrued, used in any covert operation or guaranteed to work any longer than it took you to read this. No warranty is implied or issued.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 2 GM300 UHF Mobile Radios for Repeater
I use a few M-10 with a controller on ebay from MRE and it works just fine. Peter Summerhawk -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Azam Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 9:53 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 2 GM300 UHF Mobile Radios for Repeater hi, we have been using surplus GM300 Radios as repeater about one year and have no problem with it.. very good radios. Either using back to back interface from ebay or HLNB controller both work great. We are planning to link our repeaters and need help for interfacing it. I appreciate if anybody can help us. What we have in the workshop left are one more HLMB and 2 unit back to back interface cable that we bought from ebay. regards azam On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:14 PM, aisendwight aisendwight@ mailto:aisendwi...@yahoo.com yahoo.com wrote: --- In Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Romy ve7...@... wrote: Sorry if this question might have been asked before already. I am planning to use 2 GM300 Radios (M44GMC20D3AA) to build a simple repeater in a back to back configuration . For those who used this configuration can you please share any tips and ideas. How is the performance and reliability of this configuration? I am also planning to use the repeater on Echolink. Hello Romy, one of my repeaters is made out of two Motorola M120's (the two channel version of the GM300). And it works great. As long as you place it on a place with good ventilation and place a fan on the back of the transmitting radio you should have no problems. You should also set the power of the transmitting radio to about 25 to 30 watts. All M44's can do 40 watts, but it's better to limit the power to reduce the risk of a TX transistor burnout do to excesive use. Remember that these radios are not 100% duty cycle. I use mine to provide comm service to a private ambulance company and it's worked well until now. A 15 amp power supply will be enough, (that's what I use) but you can use more power if you have it. About the interface, I assume you will be using the simple cable being sold in ebay. I use one of those also. Although I'm planning to use a more sophisticated controller later. One thing...are your radios 8 channel or 16 channel? if they are 8 channel models, I believe that you wont have to reassign functions to the 16 pin logic. But if 16 channels...you will have to change the function of pin 8 to enable it to send the COR signal nesessary for operation. That's the good thing about the 8 channel GM300, the two channel M120 and the single channel M10, you don't have to change anything, just plug and play. Finally, if you need programming software for the radios, let me know, I've got several versions, including the v.5 Version. Aisen
RE: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL
I have to agree with Eric on this one. I have set up the DPL on the output of the repeater different than the input so it's harder to find the DPL code. Motorola is great about this for programming as it's a lot harder to hack the repeater if you have two different DPL codes for in and out. Most handhelds that you can modify don't do thins and commercial radios can do it with very little programming. Peter Summerhawk -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:57 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL Jason, The upside to using DPL (CDCSS) for repeater access is that few, if any, wannabe users will be able to get in- IF you encode a different code (DPL or PL) than you decode. If your repeater passes through the incoming code to the output, you have already given the hackers the clues that they need. Simple repeaters that encode the same code that they decode are child's play to figure out. The downside to using DPL is that the turnoff code of 134.4 Hz is the same for ALL CDCSS codes, meaning that another user on the same RF frequency who has a different DPL code will mute YOUR frequency as well, when he unkeys. A lot of community repeater operators who thought DPL was a great idea for shared-channel security, learned the hard way! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of j Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:08 AM To: Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL Sorry if this isnt the best place to post this... Is there a benefit to using a DPL vs a PL? I am putting a repeater together and thought I would try and get some input... Thanks! Jason
RE: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL
The set of frequencies that we just got done installing for our local commercial machine fall into the commercial pool of business band. I ran DPL on the repeater as to not have anyone that doesn't belong on the machine and the new system as several people (I never found out who) thought it was nice to be able to harass our staff when we were running PL on the old system. Peter Summerhawk -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:41 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL The lack of a harsh squelch tailis usually one of the benefits (as opposed to PL Reverse Burst)... But locally, at least in the Amateur realm, it's been implemented ONLY to prevent access by the general Amateur community... On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Chuck Kelsey wb2...@roadrunner. mailto:wb2...@roadrunner.com com wrote: Depends on what you are trying to accomplish. If your intent is to try to somewhat restrict users, DPL would help accomplish this. Many potential users wouldn't try encoding DPL if they were attempting to find your tone. Some might, but most would probably just give up and move on. At least that's my take. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: j crowe...@yahoo. mailto:crowenus%40yahoo.com com To: Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 1:07 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL Sorry if this isnt the best place to post this... Is there a benefit to using a DPL vs a PL? I am putting a repeater together and thought I would try and get some input... Thanks! Jason
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Got some noise from a fan in the system
That question is already answered in the first post. I am using a RA1-ID off eBay for a controller. But I did take the advice and used a wall wart to power the fan and now the hum is gone! Thanks everyone for the information, my boss is happy and now I can get some rest and have him off my back! Thanks again! Peter Summerhawk-N0WRE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Beatty Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 10:41 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Got some noise from a fan in the system Good Morning Peter -- Before I can suggest anything I need some more information. Is this a Motorola repeater, in a cabinet with a motorola power supply? Are you using a motorola RIC, basically - what is the configuration of the repeater? I ask this because it has been well documented in the past that some controllers exhibit fan noise when they are connected in such a way as to control the fan activity or ar in parallel with the power of the repeater on a less than high quality supply capable of handling the repeater total current -- Rick NU7Z On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Dakota Summerhawk commcon...@gmail. mailto:commcon...@gmail.com com wrote: Morning, I have a couple of M-10 radios run together with a 12VDC fan keeping them cool in the cabinet. However the power block has them all run into the same line fed by the power supply. You can hear the noise of the fan when you key the repeater. Would a filter help this on the positive line of the fan? Or maybe a coil to filter the noise? I am at a loss as to what might keep the system cool but also eliminate the noise of the fan as well. Thanks for the help in advance. Peter Summerhawk
RE: [Repeater-Builder] W4ZT Tony King SK
My thoughts a prayers go out to the King family as well as Tony. May he still reach the heavens above to be with God. Peter Summerhawk-N0WRE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Crockett KC4YI Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 7:56 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] W4ZT Tony King SK Tony passed away this afternoon at 2:40 after a long battle with cancer. He will be missed by me and all the other friends he made over the years. John, KC4YI
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeaters for CERT Use?
Any group can apply for a commercial band repeater and use it, licensing can be expensive for commercial frequencies though. What we use is MURS for the non hams and then the team leaders are hams and relay the information back to the CP. Might look into seeing if your public service has a frequency that you can use first to avoid spending lot so money of a project that you have a resource already. Any questions let me know and shoot me an email. Peter Summerhawk Laramie County CERT Instructor -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of w7...@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:01 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeaters for CERT Use? Hello Group, A week or so ago, I believe I read on this list, that someone http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=104168/grpspId=1705063108/msgId= 87839/stime=1231613914/nc1=4025304/nc2=5191952/nc3=5349276 said the CERT groups were allowed to apply for Commercial radio channel(s). Here, on Vashon Island, Wa., we have over 100 CERT members. They are using FRS radios in the field. It makes it very difficult for our EOC to pass and receive traffic from them. How can I verify that indeed CERT is authorized the use of Commercial channel(s), and possibly repeater? They way we are set up nowHams operate out of each of our (5) fire stations and talk to the EOC on our Island UHF repeater. The EOC would certainly like to be tied into the CERT activities, so I am excited to think that CERT may be authorized VHF/UHF channels for their own system! Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated. Tim Hardy W7TRH/AFA0TP/FD. EMT
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur Radio Repeater Usage
Some of the paper repeaters that are not working and listed on the repeater directory need to be taken down and reassigned as they are just tying up space and if they are not used other than for special event then they need to go the way of the dodo. Peter Summerhawk-N0WRE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of larryjspamme...@teleport.com Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 2:48 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur Radio Repeater Usage Yet there is no end to requests for repeater pairs, especially on 2-Meters. And now, future D-STAR repeater owners seem to have their eye on existing analog repeater pairs, and are making battle plans to get their requests moved up ahead of people already on the waiting list in the local coordination councils - even displacing existing repeaters. Some are already ordering the equipment, sure that they will be moved to the front of the waiting list. At least that seems to be the talk around here in the NW -Original Message- From: Kris Kirby Sent: Dec 16, 2008 1:01 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur Radio Repeater Usage On Tue, 16 Dec 2008, Tony L. wrote: We're continuing to experience a significant drop off in usage of ham repeaters (all bands) in the Northern NJ area. It is not uncommon to find a repeater that has been dormant for months. What's it like in your part of the country? In central Alabama, entirely too quiet. Two meters is normally only used during drive time, and despite eight 440 machines that cover the city, none are irregularly or regularly used. Seems like we're in the doldrums of ham radio. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR k...@catonic. mailto:kris%40catonic.us us But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. --rly
RE: [Repeater-Builder] make some extram money (Repair Job)
Joe, Sent you an email off list and it bounced. Shoot me an email. Commconinc @ Gmail.com Thanks Peter -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 8:11 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] make some extram money (Repair Job) Is anyone intrested in making some extra money.I have to motorola raduis, one VHF and a UHF and the cross band does not work...I am willing to pay some one to fix it. Please contact Joe at joen5...@bellouth. mailto:Joen5ozg%40bellouth.net net
[Repeater-Builder] Question on RICK and M-10 for repeater related
Morning Crew, I have the M-10 for both TX and RX set up to use with the RICK but was curious as to if the mic could be hooked to the RX side to still be used as a base station? I don't know so I am asking here just to make sure. Thanks Peter Summerhawk
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Using the Motorola RICK (aka repeater controller)
I got one of the MRE Direct RICK off eBay for a lower price than a full blown RICK for getting the two CDM1550 that I have and was set up for full cross band now. Very nice setup if I do say so, not to hard to program it in the software CPS either. And its switch able so I can flip the toggle and turn it off as well. Peter Summerhawk-N0WRE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wqjf348 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 6:15 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Using the Motrola RICK (aka repeater controller) Looking for some ideas... I am running a GR500 with R1225 guts for a GMRS system. I would love to add a link radio to link to a repeater in a nearby town. What is the easiest way to do this? I thought of using a RICK with two of my mobiles to receive my repeater signal and then transmit it on the other repeater input. This seems like a lot of antennas and radios. On the GR500, I have the ZR310 community controller setup. I'd appreciate anyone's thoughts and ideas. Thanks! Ben WQJF348 West Jordan, Utah --- In Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, skipp025 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it's a min two cup of java sit down with the manual. The rick also works well as a remote base... I've set up a number of them with duplex uhf links to control mountain top remote base stations on both vhf and uhf. cheers, skipp (R)epeater (I)nterface (C)ommunications (K)it. It is a Motorola box that can be configured as either a Uni or Bi directional repeater (along with many other variations). The setup and configuration manual can be a little confusing but it works.
[Repeater-Builder] CDM1550 Crossband using Motrola RICK?
Morning, I was wanting to know if its possible to hook up a VHF and UHF radio to a Motorola RICK and use them for a cross band repeater? What would I have to do to accomplish this first off and can the radios be used normally when the rick is off on another channel? Some help? Thanks Peter Summerhawk
[Repeater-Builder] Community Tone board question
I think I know the answer to this but I am going to confirm it. The community tone board only filters out what talk group you don't want to hear. And it won't let you if you have multiple groups on the same pair talk over each other. Am I correct on this? The reason I ask is that we have several groups that want to be on the same pair but want different PL's but the machine wont let two people with different pairs talk at the same time if I am not mistaken. We only have one pair for this site (VHF) and they want several talk groups for grounds, maintenance, banquets, housekeeping, ad the front desk. Let me know of I am right on this or if I am being crazy. Thanks Peter
RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: [EMAIL PROTECTED] VHF Duplexer
Question on this: I have a 151/159 split on my freqs that I am working with, can a mobile duplexer be used for this and still work well? Thanks Peter Summerhawk-N0WRE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:12 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RE: [EMAIL PROTECTED] VHF Duplexer At 8/30/2008 10:22, you wrote: This question is best posed on the Repeater-Builder list (Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com), but I know the answer: A mobile (notch) duplexer will not work at a 600 kHz split. Even a 3 or 4 MHz split results in unacceptable performance. I have built a portable repeater for 2m, using the special TASMA portable repeater pair of 147.585 MHz input and 144.930 MHz output- a split of 2.655 MHz- Glad to hear someone besides me is making good use of that pair. but I had to use a Celwave 5085-1 duplexer to make it work. The 5085 duplexer is about twice the size of a mobile notch duplexer, and it is intended for splits as narrow as 3 MHz. With careful tuning on a network analyzer and using a 1-to-10 watt Motorola 1225 full-duplex transceiver, it performs very well. I'm surprised you had to go to something a bit bigger than the standard 6-section mobile duplexer to make it work. I have a total of 3 VHF mobile duplexers 2 of them are quite a bit smaller than the 5085-1, but they still perform adequately: ~2.1 dB loss 65 to 70 dB notches. I actually put a VHF UHS preamp on one system to try to squeeze a little more S/N out of it it actually worked in that it didn't introduce any desense or IMD. Unfortunately the site noise is so high in LA that I don't think it actually made a significant improvement in S/N. Bob NO6B
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help- M-10 related
Talked with my contact they are going to see if we can get a 151/159 split to better suit our needs. Will keep you posted on this. Thanks Peter Summerhawk -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:11 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help- M-10 related At 08:45 AM 08/25/08, you wrote: OK, got the M-10's in the mail yesterday and will have to get them over to the shop to program them. What I got for a freq spread is: 151.835 and 153.020 so I can t use a duplexer and will have to run a dual antenna system. How far apart do I have to mount these to make sure they work ok? I have a Motorola RICK to use and want to have the units programmed for around 15 watts or so that way I don't burn out the radios when we really need it. I am thinking that the 153.020 is going to be repeater input and the 151.835 is the output. I will be running DCS on the system to avoid problems with the system. The radios (CP200) are going to be programmed with MDC1200 signaling as the supervisors carry a HT1250 so they can see who keys up and if there are any problems. I need some help on getting the antennas set up and I can program the rigs for the repeater use so no problem there. Thanks Peter Summerhawk-N0WRE That split (under 1.2 MHz) is a little close for a baby notch-only duplexer. Can you get a different input frequency further out? If you can get a 4 mhz or so you will find it is much easier and much cheaper to make it work. A while back the Canadians surplused out a BIG bunch of high band MSR2000s with 4-5mhz duplexers in them (inside the MSR cabinet), and all of them that went into amateur service had them ripped out and shelved. If you can bump the receive channel further out then one of those ex-Canadian would scratch your itch just fine, and the seller would get some shelf space back, so it should be pretty cheap as well. I wouldn't mind finding one of those myself - I have a use for one. The repeater transmit channel would be in the 151-152 area and the receive channel would be in the 156-158 area. Mike WA6ILQ
[Repeater-Builder] Need some help- M-10 related
OK, got the M-10's in the mail yesterday and will have to get them over to the shop to program them. What I got for a freq spread is: 151.835 and 153.020 so I can t use a duplexer and will have to run a dual antenna system. How far apart do I have to mount these to make sure they work ok? I have a Motorola RICK to use and want to have the units programmed for around 15 watts or so that way I don't burn out the radios when we really need it. I am thinking that the 153.020 is going to be repeater input and the 151.835 is the output. I will be running DCS on the system to avoid problems with the system. The radios (CP200) are going to be programmed with MDC1200 signaling as the supervisors carry a HT1250 so they can see who keys up and if there are any problems. I need some help on getting the antennas set up and I can program the rigs for the repeater use so no problem there. Thanks Peter Summerhawk-N0WRE
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help- M-10 related
I have not found a duplexer that will cover that and still stay inside the repeater enclosure that I have. Its one of the setups from Motorola that houses the radios and RICK as well as the duplexer. Do you have a source for them by chance? Thanks Peter Summerhak -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Oliver Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:14 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help- M-10 related You certainly can use a duplexer at the input and output spread you listed and it should work quite well. tom - Original Message - From: Peter Dakota mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Summerhawk To: Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: 8/25/2008 11:45:59 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help- M-10 related OK, got the M-10's in the mail yesterday and will have to get them over to the shop to program them. What I got for a freq spread is: 151.835 and 153.020 so I can t use a duplexer and will have to run a dual antenna system. How far apart do I have to mount these to make sure they work ok? I have a Motorola RICK to use and want to have the units programmed for around 15 watts or so that way I don't burn out the radios when we really need it. I am thinking that the 153.020 is going to be repeater input and the 151.835 is the output. I will be running DCS on the system to avoid problems with the system. The radios (CP200) are going to be programmed with MDC1200 signaling as the supervisors carry a HT1250 so they can see who keys up and if there are any problems. I need some help on getting the antennas set up and I can program the rigs for the repeater use so no problem there. Thanks Peter Summerhawk-N0WRE No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1632 - Release Date: 8/25/2008 7:05 AM
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help- M-10 related
I am checking on that right now to see if we can get a greater spread. Will keep you updated. Peter Summerhawk -Original Message- From: Mike Morris WA6ILQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:10 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help- M-10 related At 08:45 AM 08/25/08, you wrote: OK, got the M-10s in the mail yesterday and will have to get them over to the shop to program them. What I got for a freq spread is: 151.835 and 153.020 so I can t use a duplexer and will have to run a dual antenna system. How far apart do I have to mount these to make sure they work ok? I have a Motorola RICK to use and want to have the units programmed for around 15 watts or so that way I dont burn out the radios when we really need it. I am thinking that the 153.020 is going to be repeater input and the 151.835 is the output. I will be running DCS on the system to avoid problems with the system. The radios (CP200) are going to be programmed with MDC1200 signaling as the supervisors carry a HT1250 so they can see who keys up and if there are any problems. I need some help on getting the antennas set up and I can program the rigs for the repeater use so no problem there. Thanks Peter Summerhawk-N0WRE That split (under 1.2 MHz) is a little close for a baby notch-only duplexer. Can you get a different input frequency further out? If you can get a 4 mhz or so you will find it is much easier and much cheaper to make it work. A while back the Canadians surplused out a BIG bunch of high band MSR2000s with 4-5mhz duplexers in them (inside the MSR cabinet), and all of them that went into amateur service had them [The entire original message is not included]
RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Good source for single channel Motorola radios for portable repeater?
Ok got a set of M-10 off eBay for the portable set. Now all I have to do is get them programmed. They are rated at 25W but I don't want to risk burning them out so can they be adjusted to low power? And what is low power for the units? 15W? Been hunting eBay for a RICK and found some that might work but I don't have any experience with the home built one's. Can someone give some advice on this? Thanks Peter Summerhawk-N0WRE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Kometz Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 2:27 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Good source for single channel Motorola radios for portable repeater? Keep in mind that the single channel radios (like the M-10) are not that common. Just use any GM300 / Maxtrac / Radius model and only program one channel. Also, while it is nice to get the 16 pin accessory board, they cost a bit more for the convieience. Doing the modification to the 5 pin board involving one cheap basic signal diode, takes only a couple of minutes. The mod is pretty common (I think it is on the Repeater-Builders website). I have done a couple dozen of those. And likely its easier to find the RJ-11 plugs to make a radio to radio cable than the 16 pin accessory plug. Just something to consider.
[Repeater-Builder] Good source for single channel Motorola radios for portable repeater?
Morning Crew, I need some help locating some of the Motorola single channel radios with the 16 pin connector on the back for use in a portable repeater for our comm van to be used as a special events repeater. Been hunting EBay with little to no success, does anyone have just two that they would like to get rid of? I need them in the 146-173 band split if possible. Let me know by email on this. Thanks Peter Summerhawk-N0WRE
RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Good source for single channel Motorola radios for portable repeater?
I was talking with our coordinator about this and we have several pairs that are not being used for the sole purpose of having them for special event repeaters state wide for Wyoming. Crossband is one way we go but the special event repeater pair would be nice to have for better coverage as not everyone carries a dual-band radio for such an event. Most hams use 2M around here and the events for the comm van are coordinated with other ARES/RACES groups to assure that we are not going to have the same problem. Thanks Peter Summerhawk-N0WRE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Pugh Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 12:09 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Good source for single channel Motorola radios for portable repeater? Morning Crew, I need some help locating some of the Motorola single channel radios with the 16 pin connector on the back for use in a portable repeater for our comm van to be used as a special events repeater. Been hunting EBay with little to no success, does anyone have just two that they would like t= o get rid of? I need them in the 146-173 band split if possible. Let me know by email on this. Might I make a suggestion? Several years ago, I was approached by an ARES group with a comm van wanting to do the same thing. They had a pneumatic mast in theirs (a former tv remote truck). I suggested that they use multi channel radios, and program them for several unused pairs, and that they not use duplexers. By mounting one antenna on the mast, the other on the van roof, they could get enough vertical separation on UHF frequencies (which I also suggested they use) to field a repeater quite nicely. If they rolled up on a scene and found a repeater already on the frequency that their repeater was on, this setup gave them the ability to move to other pairs until they found a quite pair to use, just match the channel numbers on each radio to move to the next pair. They agreed that this was a good idea, however, they wanted to stay on VHF and wanted something to talk 20-30 miles, so they nixed my idea. Ultimately, their ideas never flew, and they never took my suggestion, so they are now pretty much disbanded. FWIW I guess. 73 Mike KA4MKG
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: UHF antenna
A real simple test I had for deaf antenna: this was on 2M so I stripped a section of coax off eh end to form a 1/4 wave antenna and connected it to the original run of coax to make sure I could be heard with a few short tests. Turns out it was the antenna in the end and not the coax like I thought. Might give it a try and see if that doesn't work for you in a pinch. That way you know if it's the antenna or another problem. Just throwing out ideas. -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Milan Pavlica Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:32 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: UHF antenna Is it possible that no one have pictures of its home made antennas? As i wrote, i have a problem with sensitivity, think that antenna is deaf. Will try to compare with Celwave antenna and RohdeSchwarz CMS54 test-set as receiver to see differences Please help me... TNX in advance! --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Milan Pavlica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! I made UHF coax collinear antenna, two version, one is from http://www.repeater-builder.com/antenna/wa6svt.html and second is from http://www.para.org.ph/membersarticles/DU1ANV/VHF%20Collinear%20Antennas.htm in both cases i can get good SWR but i am not so sure did i made it OK (have a feel that it is deaf on receive) I am asking, if anyone played with this stuffs (i made 4elements, for start only with RG58), maybe with some tips and pictures, just to see am i doing something wrong THANKS IN ADVANCE! Not to disturb list, please use private mail. THANKS AGAIN! YU7XW Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 in one piece
Thanks for that Eric, DL all of them for handy use on my PDA! Peter Dakota Summerhawk -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:41 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 in one piece The Repeater-Builder Team can simplify your life! Instead of wading through endless links and indexes, just go directly to the RBTIP, where the latest Part 97 can be downloaded in one piece: www.repeater-builder.com/fcc/2007-part-97-rules.pdf You can also get the latest Part 15, 17, 90, and 95 by editing the above link, in place of 97. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 2:53 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder]part 97.201 was Control Link I had tried a Google search, but as one person pointed out, too many web sites not updated. Now I see it is best to simply go directly to the FCC web site and look. regarding club calls/licenses, you cannot even put in a change of address without routing it through one of the groups, as I found out. Wayne WA2YNE On Mon, 19 May 2008 19:25:21 -0500, Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To get any FCC regs go to: http://www.fcc.gov/ Select on the left Rules Regulations. At the top select Title 47 of the Code of Federal Regulations. Now you can scroll down and select ANY Part you want including Part 97, the Amateur RAdio rules. You will be taken to another site. I always go to the first page of a reg to see its date. For at least 6 months after the changes in Feb 2007 when the code was removed, changes in AUX freq, etc the site had not been updated. The ARRL site was the same. Both now appear up to date. At the FCC.gov site one can do many things like apply for some license, get vanity call, renew, etc. They even take credit cards. However, a club call must be applied for on hard paper thru a VEC like ARRL or W5YI. 73, ron, n9ee/r Yahoo! Groups Links Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1458 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 7:21 AM
[Repeater-Builder] Questions on running two antennas
Morning, I want to be able to run two antennas one for the Omni and one for the yagi that I want pointed to the link repeater we are getting ready to install. What’s the best way to accomplish this? Both antennas are going to be Ham radio digi for APRS and both on the VHF band. The main radio at my location is going to be a digi and I want the signal shot to the digi some 50 miles away for a solid link into the machine. Thanks for the help in advance! Peter Dakota Summerhawk No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1412 - Release Date: 5/2/2008 4:34 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1412 - Release Date: 5/2/2008 4:34 PM
[Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater question
I have a few of the TK-760’s that I have been playing with the idea of thinking of using as a repeater, can this be done? And if so what would it take? Thanks Peter Dakota Summerhawk No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1338 - Release Date: 3/21/2008 5:52 PM
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater question
Ok the reason I asked is that we are thinking of putting up a repeater for special events. Would a couple of GM or GR300 work well for this? I know you cold not use them full duty 100% but they would work for temp special event repeaters? I have yet to find a couple of 2CH models that cover the ham bands. Anyone know of a source of the units? Thanks Peter Dakota Summerhawk -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Mullarkey Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 1:46 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater question Hi Peter, The TK-760 radios are great radios; however, I would post them on EBay and get a few Motorola SM-50 radios. All the connections are on the back on the Motorola and on the Kenwood, you will need to modify the radios to get TOR (PL) out of it and know where exactly to pick it off. If you get the Motorola radios try to get the high power radios and they will play nice at 20wt. Not in Continuous duty mode. Now if you drill out the 4 screw holes on the bottom and mill the bottom of the radio so then you can add a nice heat sink to it. Then they will operate in continuous mode but no more than 20wt. The first version was to mount a small fan on the bottom but ended up using the heat sink method and found it much more reliable. I have had more than 30+ full duplex links made out of these radios and have never had a unit fail. Take your time and plan your project and it will pay off if you do it the right way. Mike Mullarkey (K7PFJ) _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Dakota Summerhawk Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:43 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater question I have a few of the TK-760’s that I have been playing with the idea of thinking of using as a repeater, can this be done? And if so what would it take? Thanks Peter Dakota Summerhawk No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1338 - Release Date: 3/21/2008 5:52 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1339 - Release Date: 3/22/2008 4:43 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1339 - Release Date: 3/22/2008 4:43 PM
RE: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help-Commercial related
I have seen the license for the UHF pair that they have but the hotel is not interested in purchasing new equipment for the current system of VHF radios was just bought last year. I got stuck with this project of getting a repeater pair and programming the radios. If I would have known the system was so jacked I would have turned down the contract. Peter Dakota Summerhawk -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wright Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 7:56 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help-Commercial related Peter, What type HTs do they have. One does not see HTs with mWs except for PRS, the small cheap radios in the 462 range. So their HTs might have power, 2-4 W, to cover the grounds. As you proably know the UHF would get out of holes (hotel walls, etc) better, but guess not an option. Covering the 50 acres is no problem, covering from inside rooms/hallways, etc can be. I would try for a remoted base with roof antenna. This will not improve HT-HT coverage, would give someone better coverage which is probably important...if the management can talk this often determines if the system is working. Few listen to the people who actually do the work...way it is. Another solution would be a repeater, low power, 10 W. Mot has some very good GR300 using couple of their Radius line rigs mounted in a box. Since commerical would require 2 freq and if 5 MHz apart could use mobile type duplexer. All fits in a small 10w x 10d x 12h or so including power supply. The HTs would probably need to be reprogrammed and the proper license obtained. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: Peter Dakota Summerhawk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/03/08 Sat AM 09:18:11 CST To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help-Commercial related Thehotel that I am contracted for has just spent $50 million for a renovation buthas already bought new VHF radios, believe mw when I suggested that they go toUHF they balked at the idea of having to buy new radios as part of therenovation was the new handhelds sold to them by a different company in townthat assured them that the new radios would cover the 50 some odd acres ofproperty that they own. So its up to me now to get thethings in order to get a system that works for the least money. Go figure. Peter Dakota Summerhawk -Original Message- From:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G Shaw Sent: Saturday, March 08, 20085:55 AM To:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder]Need some help-Commercial related You will find as I have that the FCC will not permit aVHF highband repeater with a non-govt lic. such as business orindustrial. IB etc. You may be able to bootleg it but you will rcv a ceaseand desist from the FCC when they become aware of it. The Coordinatorssuch as NABER will just reject it. If you need a repeater you will haveto consider a narror band UHF application. If you decide to stickwith high band then simplex would be the route to go. Glenn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf Of Milt Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 7:48AM To:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needsome help-Commercial related The simple answer to your question is the pair thatgives the most seperation. There are many more things to take intoconsideration. This is where a firm that is familure with the ins andouts of commercial licensing is invaluable. While the 151.835 may bemodified for a FB2 and paired with 157.695, the coordinating agency may or maynot grant coordination. Another thing to consider is thatwhile you can sell this customer a cheap older repeater, the TK-720 is not approvedfor narrowband operation IIRC. Even if the current license allows +/-5Khz deviation a new grant or modification will most likely require +/- 2.5 Khzdeviation. Since the deadline for conversion to narrowband is 2013 (5years away) one should give serious consideration to how upgrading will takeplace. - Original Message - From: Peter Dakota Summerhawk mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 11:37 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help-Commercial related I have to put in a repeater for a hotel.I have a Kenwood TKR-720 repeater and the frequencies I have for the currentlicense are as follows: 151.835 152.435 157.695 157.575 My question is, what pair is going to be good for this repeater? I haveto get a working system up and running but need to figure ut what pair to useand then adjust the license before putting in the system to have it work. Ihave a duplexer for the repeater as well as the antenna but will have to tuneboth
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help-Commercial related
Checking with the license two of the stations are 200 some miles away at another little America, so we have one frequency on site so we need a new pair to be able to be complaint. Peter Dakota Summerhawk -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 3:58 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help-Commercial related In a message dated 3/13/2008 11:20:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe it is not too late to turn down the contract. Did you really think you would be able to get them licensed to a VHF pair, or were they not totally upfront about what they had and wanted. You can't control what the FCC allows. You could just make a go of it with a simplex system. Michael You are already licensed for the VHF frequencies you need. It should not be a problem to modify the license for repeater operation. Weather it will meet your customers expectations remains to be seen. Chris _ It's Tax Time! HYPERLINK http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301; \nGet tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM
RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT- Weather Radio Recall
I know that most don't want to listen to all pages but some of us that are ARES RACES might. I severe weather spot for Skywarn and like to know about all pages in the area. From weather to flooding we get updates all the time from NWS that way. Was just a thought for a few that might want it. Peter Dakota Summerhawk -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 7:27 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT- Weather Radio Recall Peter Dakota Summerhawk wrote: On that topic I found that a pager works just as well: http://www.iinc.com/ggcomm/pager.html Been using one for quite a while now with good results. Dakota Summerhawk Only problem-those don't do the SAME code, just the generic tone. You'll get everything that transmitter sends out, which I know in my case would be a LOT more then I would want to hear about. Probably only 1 out of every 7-8 pages would be of interest. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT- Weather Radio Recall
On that topic I found that a pager works just as well: http://www.iinc.com/ggcomm/pager.html Been using one for quite a while now with good results. Dakota Summerhawk -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. K. Brumback Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:29 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT- Weather Radio Recall Quote: for between $30 and $150. WOW!! Consumer beware...huh Randy -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tgundo2003 Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:30 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] OT- Weather Radio Recall This is a bit off-topic, but I thought it would be important to get the word out as life safety is involved... Tom W9SRV NEWS from CPSC U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission Office of Information and Public Affairs Washington, DC 20207 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE August 29, 2007 Release #07-292 Firm's Recall Hotline: (800) 203-4921 CPSC Recall Hotline: (800) 638-2772 CPSC Media Contact: (301) 504-7908 Weather Radios Recalled by Oregon Scientific Due to Failure to Receive National Weather Service Alerts WASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, in cooperation with the firm named below, today announced a voluntary recall of the following consumer product. Consumers should stop using recalled products immediately unless otherwise instructed. Name of Product: Oregon Scientific Weather Radios Units: About 66,000 Manufacturer: Oregon Scientific Inc., of Tualatin, Ore. Hazard: The radios could fail to receive National Weather Service alert signals in certain areas of the country. In the event of severe weather, this failure could put a consumer's life and property at risk. Incidents/Injuries: None reported. Description: This recall involves the following Weather Radios and Weather Stations: NAME MODEL All Hazards Portable Weather Alert Radio WR103NX Portable Public Alert Radio WR108 Public Alert Weather Station WRB308 John Deere Public Alert Weather Station WRB308J No other models are included in this recall. Sold at: Retail stores nationwide, including some electronics and sporting goods stores, online retailers and in catalogs from December 2005 through June 2007 for between $30 and $150. Manufactured in: China Remedy: Consumers should not rely on the recalled weather radios to receive emergency information. Consumers should contact Oregon Scientific for instructions on returning the radio to receive a free replacement. Consumer Contact: For additional information, contact Oregon Scientific at (800) 203-4921 between 8 a.m. and 5 p.m. PT Monday through Friday or visit the firm's Web site at www2.oregonscientific.com To see this recall on CPSC's web site, including pictures of the recalled products, please go to: http://www.cpsc. http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml07/07292.html gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml07/07292.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.6 - Release Date: 8/24/2007 12:00 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.6 - Release Date: 8/24/2007 12:00 AM
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Fwd: FCC Enforcement Action
Thanks for the information Eric, Got the radios programmed for 2W and the narrow band and they work great! Like to stay within the rules for radios as I value my license. Dakota Summerhawk -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 9:16 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Fwd: FCC Enforcement Action Steve, You are correct. There are five simplex MURS channels: 151.820, 151.880, 151.940, 154.570, and 154.600 MHz. The first three are narrow-band 11.25 kHz channels, while the latter two are 20 kHz channels. All are limited to two watts. My local ARES group uses 16-channel Motorola HT750 radios that were donated by the local police department. We programmed the two 154 MHz MURS channels into all radios, along with 14 2m Amateur channels. Since the MURS is license-free, we use one of the 154 MHz channels for parades and other events where non-Hams need to communicate with us. Nice and legal... 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D) Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 7:49 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Fwd: FCC Enforcement Action I might be mistaken, but seems like MURS channels are narrow band - 12.5 Khz. Don't know about type acceptance, etc, but seems like if they are narrow band (and if that is indeed the case) then the 260 should work great - lots of folks illegally prm 151.625 and use them anyhow. 73, Steve NU5D Yahoo! Groups Links
