Re: I think I've solved my morning computer lockups
So I've been trying to remember to turn off the DEFAULT wait at shutdown that you get when you install a client but is there a way out of this when it does happen? I found that you can type 'r' or 's' in the Retrospect Client's Wait at Shutdown dialog and the computer will either restart or shut down appropriately. Probably would solve your problem. I wonder if that's new, as I've tried it in the past with no result when the bouncing Dantz was visible. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Email Notifier
Hi, is someone out there using the External Script "Email Notifier" coming with Retrospect Backup Server 5.11? I want to use it on a Win2000 Server and I cann't get it to run. Gruss -- Josina Musters, Fachhochschule Oldenburg Ostfriesland Wilhelmshaven Fachbereich Elektrotechnik und Informatik Tel.: +49 4921 8071929 Constantiaplatz 4, 26723 Emden (Germany) Fax : +49 4921 8071843 -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Purchasing a new system
I'm not planning on taking the discussion offlist, though I've had a few responses offlist, and those have recommended Ecrix or AIT, so those are the leading contenders. My boss is really leery of Ecrix, no matter how much I push it. She's worried that, should something happen to the company in two years or so (since they're the only one doing this kind of tape/drive now), we won't have the $$ in our budget to purchase a whole new system. I keep working on her. :) At 12:56 PM -0500 1/24/01, Tim David wrote: I can't speak for everyone but I hope you keep this discussion on the list. If it does happen to go off-line, I would greatly appreciate a copy of the final thoughts. There was a thread that went around a couple of months ago with price comparisons for all of these different media types (including hardware and media) but I'm sure it's already outdated. The VXA drive from Ecrix looked like it had potential for a smaller setup due to it's price of drives and media. The media also looks very reliable according to the material on their web site. I am currently using DLT and it gets a little expensive to stay as redundant as I would like to be. I've noticed that Ecrix is coming out with larger tape libraries, Does anyone think that will make it a more viable solution or is AIT still the way to go? thanks, Tim Stephen Jones wrote: I would have to say AIT. Sony pulled the plug on the proposed DDS-5 so I wouldn't suggest that line at all (end of product life). Also, DAT drives have 1/5th the head life expectancy (10,000 hours instead of AIT's 50,000 hours). DLT would definitely be better than DAT but is faced with the same situation as 4mm. The current best DLT is the 8000 series. It's 40GB uncompressed by 6MB/second. The Gen I version of the upcoming SuperDLT will *NOT* be backward compatible. Are you prepared to purchase something that will not work with the very next version of the hardware? AIT, also made by Sony, gives you two choices (AIT-1 and AIT-2). AIT-1 (35GB/3MB/second uncompressed) inside a library costs less than $4500 and holds 525GB uncompressed. AIT-2 is 50GB by 6MB/second (and is considerably less than a DLT library - it's also self-cleaning, DLT is not). AIT-2 is backward compatible (read and write) with AIT-1. You could start with AIT-1 and upgrade to AIT-2 in the future should you need more capacity and speed -- and use the very same library chassis. AIT-3 (100GB by 12MB/second) is due out later this year and is backward compatible with AIT-1 and 2. When AIT-4 hits the street two years form now (a proposed 200GB by 24MB/second), it too will be backward compatible with all previous AIT generations. DLT, up to a couple years ago, was definitely king of the hill. But in the game of technology, no one stands paramount indefinitely. AIT has definitely become more popular -- with a roadmap to larger/faster drives while remaining backward compatible. I was surprised to hear the news that DLT could not offer backward compatibility with their upcoming SuperDLT drive. We have many DLT customers who will not be able to upgrade. In fact, because of that, a lot of our DLT customers have moved to AIT. Please feel free to contact me with any tech questions, I have been a storage engineer for ten years and work with all formats daily. All the best! Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Purchasing a new system
I can't speak for everyone but I hope you keep this discussion on the list. If it does happen to go off-line, I would greatly appreciate a copy of the final thoughts. I agree. IMHO the biggest problem with tape drives is not the purchase cost or the tape costs, but the sheer level of grief caused by hardware faults. That's why I would always prefer a solution with some hardware rdundancy - if one drive fails you can still backup - or, more to the point, still restore. Because the one occasion when you _must_ restore files will, of course, be the time that your only drive has just died. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Purchasing a new system
I've noticed that Ecrix is coming out with larger tape libraries, Does anyone think that will make it a more viable solution or is AIT still the way to go? Hi Tim, Ecrix has tape libraries (they call them autopacks) already in service. And VXA-2 is right around the corner. AIT is a great solution, indeed, but I've found that Ecrix's solution is just as good and WAY big less expensive. $.02 Pam -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Purchasing a new system
...in that case, go with Sony's AIT-2. The company is certainly in no danger and they also have a road map to higher capacity and performance. Both VXA and AIT use evaporated metal media rather than particulate media making head life and drive reliability a plus. Avoid cold/condensing environments for both of these 8mm helical scan drives. If at all possible, get a demo unit and understand the issues surrounding system/bus/LAN/drive bandwidth and loading. The variable speed feature of the VXA drive could change the recommendation if tape shoe-shining becomes a problem in your situation. The AIT drives are more expensive but, that's the cost of the "insurance policy" your boss favors. On the other hand, your boss should ALWAYS plan on periodic replacement of backup tape drives: - tape drives are mechanically complex devices and do wear out - waiting for a backup device to fail before replacement is sabotage by neglect - 2 drives are worth more than twice the price because they provide for offline copying of backup sets and an additional method of troubleshooting problems Disclaimer: I have no fiduciary interest in Ecrix or Sony and use both AIT and VXA drives on a variety of systems and operating systems. Doug.Wyman I'm not planning on taking the discussion offlist, though I've had a few responses offlist, and those have recommended Ecrix or AIT, so those are the leading contenders. My boss is really leery of Ecrix, no matter how much I push it. She's worried that, should something happen to the company in two years or so (since they're the only one doing this kind of tape/drive now), we won't have the $$ in our budget to purchase a whole new system. I keep working on her. :) At 12:56 PM -0500 1/24/01, Tim David wrote: I can't speak for everyone but I hope you keep this discussion on the list. If it does happen to go off-line, I would greatly appreciate a copy of the final thoughts. There was a thread that went around a couple of months ago with price comparisons for all of these different media types (including hardware and media) but I'm sure it's already outdated. The VXA drive from Ecrix looked like it had potential for a smaller setup due to it's price of drives and media. The media also looks very reliable according to the material on their web site. I am currently using DLT and it gets a little expensive to stay as redundant as I would like to be. I've noticed that Ecrix is coming out with larger tape libraries, Does anyone think that will make it a more viable solution or is AIT still the way to go? thanks, Tim Stephen Jones wrote: I would have to say AIT. Sony pulled the plug on the proposed DDS-5 so I wouldn't suggest that line at all (end of product life). Also, DAT drives have 1/5th the head life expectancy (10,000 hours instead of AIT's 50,000 hours). DLT would definitely be better than DAT but is faced with the same situation as 4mm. The current best DLT is the 8000 series. It's 40GB uncompressed by 6MB/second. The Gen I version of the upcoming SuperDLT will *NOT* be backward compatible. Are you prepared to purchase something that will not work with the very next version of the hardware? AIT, also made by Sony, gives you two choices (AIT-1 and AIT-2). AIT-1 (35GB/3MB/second uncompressed) inside a library costs less than $4500 and holds 525GB uncompressed. AIT-2 is 50GB by 6MB/second (and is considerably less than a DLT library - it's also self-cleaning, DLT is not). AIT-2 is backward compatible (read and write) with AIT-1. You could start with AIT-1 and upgrade to AIT-2 in the future should you need more capacity and speed -- and use the very same library chassis. AIT-3 (100GB by 12MB/second) is due out later this year and is backward compatible with AIT-1 and 2. When AIT-4 hits the street two years form now (a proposed 200GB by 24MB/second), it too will be backward compatible with all previous AIT generations. DLT, up to a couple years ago, was definitely king of the hill. But in the game of technology, no one stands paramount indefinitely. AIT has definitely become more popular -- with a roadmap to larger/faster drives while remaining backward compatible. I was surprised to hear the news that DLT could not offer backward compatibility with their upcoming SuperDLT drive. We have many DLT customers who will not be able to upgrade. In fact, because of that, a lot of our DLT customers have moved to AIT. Please feel free to contact me with any tech questions, I have been a storage engineer for ten years and work with all formats daily. All the best! Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Purchasing a new system
My boss is really leery of Ecrix, no matter how much I push it. She's worried that, should something happen to the company in two years or so (since they're the only one doing this kind of tape/drive now), we won't have the $$ in our budget to purchase a whole new system. I keep working on her. :) Julia, I don't buy that argument. What if Sony decides to stop making AIT's? Then what? Sony's AIT is just as proprietary as Ecrix's VXA. After all, isn't the MacOS proprietary -- now? And DLT was proprietary at the beginning too. I look at it like this...somebody has to be the first and they're going to work with their proprietary formula until some other company decides to pay the licensing or OEM (or whatever they're called in hardware) fees. Pam -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
RE: Purchasing a new system
I have to put my .02 in here. Although I had initially had issues with Ecrix I believe there technology if far superior to what is available on the market at the same price. Since I know have it working it hasn't failed me yet. I do nightly full backups of 18 gig at 247 meg/min. Adam -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Pam Lefkowitz Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 2:45 PM To: retro-talk Subject: Re: Purchasing a new system My boss is really leery of Ecrix, no matter how much I push it. She's worried that, should something happen to the company in two years or so (since they're the only one doing this kind of tape/drive now), we won't have the $$ in our budget to purchase a whole new system. I keep working on her. :) Julia, I don't buy that argument. What if Sony decides to stop making AIT's? Then what? Sony's AIT is just as proprietary as Ecrix's VXA. After all, isn't the MacOS proprietary -- now? And DLT was proprietary at the beginning too. I look at it like this...somebody has to be the first and they're going to work with their proprietary formula until some other company decides to pay the licensing or OEM (or whatever they're called in hardware) fees. Pam -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: retro-talk #819 - 01/23/01
Hello Julia, Two suggestions for you depending on whether you want to go with Firewire or SCSI. * For a Firewiire solution, take a look at the new VXA-1 Firewire drive. The only drawback is that you'll still have to switch tapes manually. * For a higher capacity automated SCSI solution which will leave you a lot of room for growth, check out the VXA autoPAK, which is a 15-slot autoloader/library available with either one or two drives. It gives you 495 GB of uncompressed capacity. It's one of the best values you'll find for an autoloader or library in this range. Both of these are compatible with Retrospect. You'll find more details at www.vxa.com -- Frank Saab [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ecrix Subject: Purchasing a new system From: "Julia Frizzell" [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:24:25 -0500 Hello folks! We recently got our funding for another 5 years from the federal government, and including in our first year budgeting is the money for a new backup system. I'm not planning on leaving Retrospect behind, so all I really need help with is a new tape drive system. Currently, we are using one DDS-3 tape drive for our entire local base of about 70 users. About 65 of those are Mac users, and about 5 are Windows NT boxen. We also have 7 Mac machines that are various servers, and 3 NT servers. For the users, we only back up their bookmarks.html file and their Documents folder (using ASR we can restore a desktop in little time, so there's no real need to backup the entire hard drive), and *currently* we only back up the My Documents folder for the NT user boxen, and specific directories for our servers. The desktops are backed up to tape nightly, with the laptops being backed up to tape during the day by a backup server. The servers are backed up weekly to hard drive (only exception being our Staff volume getting backed up nightly). The main reason for the latter is that we don't have anyone to do a tape switch after the Friday backup, I think (this system was in place before I got here). We change the nightly tapes daily, with incrementals M-Th, and a recycle backup on Friday. I alternate tapes weekly, with an A set and a B set. What I would like to do: The backup server system mentioned by Craig last week sounds like it would work great for me. I want to back up the servers nightly as well, which will increase the space each set takes up. I am also interested in doing a remote backup of our NYC office. They have static IPs, and could possibly be added to our backup sets. They have laptops and desktops, and I'm just not sure if I want to go that route, but it's a possibility. But on the other hand, if we do get a new tape drive, we could send them our old one and they could use that to backup. So, should I keep the same tape system (DDS-3) and get a new drive (auto-loader), get an additional drive (poor man's auto-loader), or go with something new? I have the archive of this list from last year, when someone went through and priced the different drives...ah, found it! [see below] DDS-3 was second to Ecrix (oh, it's pronounced ah-kree! Just noticed that on their web page. I'll have to stop calling it eh-cricks :). Oh, Retrospect is running on a Mac vanilla G3. It *could* possibly be run on a MP G4, with a SCSI card or maybe Firewire/USB if that was the way to go. Advice would be appreciated. At 1:36 AM -0700 8/3/00, Larry Acosta Wong wrote: [only part of message enclosed] > Tran #Tapes Total True >Model (GB) Rate Price Media Req'd Price $/GB >--- >VXA-1 33 3MB/s $539 $67 12 $1,343 $3.39 >DDS-3 12 1MB/s $777 $16 27 $1,209 $3.73 >DDS-2 4 .51MB/s $606 $7 75 $1,131 $3.77 >SC30 15 2MB/s $438 $41 21 $1,299 $4.12 >ADR50 25 2MB/s $697 $46 12 $1,249 $4.16 >VXA-1 33 3MB/s $939 $67 12 $1,743 $4.40 >Eliant 820 7 1MB/s $1,160 $8 45 $1,520 $4.83 >DDS-4 20 3MB/s $1,072 $33 15 $1,567 $5.22 >Mammoth-LT 14 2MB/s $1,193 $35 24 $2,033 $6.05 >DLT 4000 20 1.5MB/s $1,352 $64 15 $2,312 $7.71 >Sony AIT-1 35 3MB/s $1,913 $88 9 $2,705 $8.59 >Mammoth 20 3MB/s $2,126 $56 15 $2,966 $9.89 >Exabyte M2 60 12MB/s $3,777 $80 6 $4,257 $11.83 >DLT 8000 40 6MB/s $3,915 $64 9 $4,491 $12.48 >Sony AIT-2 50 6MB/s $3,289 $94 6 $3,853 $12.84 > >For this comparison, I've included the VXA-1 at the promotional >price since it's been extended through Aug and is available to >everyone. The total cost of DDS-3 is actually $134 cheaper than the >VXA-1 but the cost/GB is higher, it requires 27 tapes total (9 tapes >per storage set) and its transfer rate is considerably slower. > >So, it's probably fairly obvious that I went with the VXA-1 drive. >The promo price was so good that I bought two. This gives me a >pseudo-autoloader and also gives me redundancy in case one drive >fails. Am I concerned about the new-ness of the drive? Of course. >I'd prefer that there were multiple manufacturers and multiple media >sources. But, with the way hard drive capacity/usage is increasing, >I'll likely be in the
Retro Server 5 on NT 4
Hi All I need to reinstall NT4 server on a backup server and then reinstall Retrospect Server v5. I have some concerns about the existing retro config and scripts being retained and the 100 or so clients still being able to access the new install. If I backup the existing Dantz directory and the catelog directory and then restore these after retro has been reinstalled will all be (ie: retro scripts and backups) as it now?. Has anyone on this list have experience with this? If so do you have any tips and traps you know of. Given my lack of experience with this process any help would be greatly appreciated. Mary Ann Zhang Computer Systems Officer Faculty of HealthSciences Room 403 HS3 Bundoora Campus La Trobe University -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
