Re: retro for a small windows set-up
Hi,
For such a small backup, I think DAT might be a bit expensive. Just my
$0.02. Also, I think that zip disks would be more reliable, but who knows -
luckily(?) retrospect is very good at error checking, so you only need to worry
about media failure after backup. For 600MB, why not look at a JAZ drive
or an ORB drive? They are much cheaper than DAT, and backups would be
much faster. Unless they plan on archiving a lot of backups in a file
cabinet, a removable drive is a good way to go - but if you want to have
10 separate backup sets in a file cabinet, the cost goes up as disks are
no where near as cheap as tapes. I suggest a JAZ or ORB rather than a ZIP
to avoid frequent media swaps. I do this on 1 PC in my lab.
I'd stick to SCSI or IDE if either is an option - using parallel ports is
*way* slow. In general parallel ports cannot be daisy chained, except for
junk like dongles, and Iomega Zip drives that are specially designed to go
in between your computer and printer. I've heard some bad stories about how
well this works, so I'd personally only do it as a last resort.
For drivers, the answer is "it depends". Win 9x and NT have an assortment
of standard drivers included, but often they are missing the ones you want,
or the ones included are old or brain-dead. Usually it is a good idea to
load the drive MFRs most recent drivers; some MFRs even have drivers that
are certified by microsoft, though those are often not the most recent ones.
-Andy Cook
Pardon the naive question, but I am trying to provide a
recommendation for a small company. I'm used to Retro on the Mac and
backup a network to DLT, so I am a bit ignorant here.
The company needs a simple small non-networked backup solution (one
single PC), for the least amount of money (I know I know...). Of
course I am suggesting Retrospect, but I don't know of a suggestion
for a backup device. They wanted to just use a zip, but I am at
least recommending something more reliable than that.
For their light backup needs, I am thinking of just going with a
lowly DAT drive with a lot of redundancy. Can anyone recommend one
for a Pentium 100 with 16Meg running 98SE? Does one typically attach
such a thing to a parallel port? The machine already has 2 printers
connected to 2 physical parallel ports. Can one gang parallel ports
a la SCSI?
Although the amount to be backed up is not large (one small hard
drive, maybe 600MB), I am leaning toward DAT because the company
personnel are very technology disinclined, and something like a CDR
*will* scare them. Buying a Mac and backing up over a network is
totally out of the question ("what's a network?"). They have an
ancient tape drive that they used to run on Win3.1 before they were
forced to upgrade to 98SE. I don't think they ever have known if
they were -really- backing anything up, but they like the idea of
tape because it is familiar to them. What they have may actually be
a DAT drive (I haven't seen it yet), but they want to buy a new one.
On Windows, does one have to install a separate driver for a backup
drive from the drive's manufacturer, or does Retro alone take care
of that?
Stefan Jeglinski
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RE: retro for a small windows set-up
Are they not the cases that:
If Retrospect supports the device, Dantz has a built-in driver for it, and
no MFR driver is needed?
If Retrospect does not support the device, then no MFR driver will enable
Retrospect to use the device?
Brad.
-Original Message-
From: Andrew Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 1:13 PM
To: retro-talk
Subject: Re: retro for a small windows set-up
Hi,
For such a small backup, I think DAT might be a bit expensive. Just my
$0.02. Also, I think that zip disks would be more reliable, but who knows -
luckily(?) retrospect is very good at error checking, so you only need to
worry
about media failure after backup. For 600MB, why not look at a JAZ drive
or an ORB drive? They are much cheaper than DAT, and backups would be
much faster. Unless they plan on archiving a lot of backups in a file
cabinet, a removable drive is a good way to go - but if you want to have
10 separate backup sets in a file cabinet, the cost goes up as disks are
no where near as cheap as tapes. I suggest a JAZ or ORB rather than a ZIP
to avoid frequent media swaps. I do this on 1 PC in my lab.
I'd stick to SCSI or IDE if either is an option - using parallel ports is
*way* slow. In general parallel ports cannot be daisy chained, except for
junk like dongles, and Iomega Zip drives that are specially designed to go
in between your computer and printer. I've heard some bad stories about how
well this works, so I'd personally only do it as a last resort.
For drivers, the answer is "it depends". Win 9x and NT have an assortment
of standard drivers included, but often they are missing the ones you want,
or the ones included are old or brain-dead. Usually it is a good idea to
load the drive MFRs most recent drivers; some MFRs even have drivers that
are certified by microsoft, though those are often not the most recent ones.
-Andy Cook
Pardon the naive question, but I am trying to provide a
recommendation for a small company. I'm used to Retro on the Mac and
backup a network to DLT, so I am a bit ignorant here.
The company needs a simple small non-networked backup solution (one
single PC), for the least amount of money (I know I know...). Of
course I am suggesting Retrospect, but I don't know of a suggestion
for a backup device. They wanted to just use a zip, but I am at
least recommending something more reliable than that.
For their light backup needs, I am thinking of just going with a
lowly DAT drive with a lot of redundancy. Can anyone recommend one
for a Pentium 100 with 16Meg running 98SE? Does one typically attach
such a thing to a parallel port? The machine already has 2 printers
connected to 2 physical parallel ports. Can one gang parallel ports
a la SCSI?
Although the amount to be backed up is not large (one small hard
drive, maybe 600MB), I am leaning toward DAT because the company
personnel are very technology disinclined, and something like a CDR
*will* scare them. Buying a Mac and backing up over a network is
totally out of the question ("what's a network?"). They have an
ancient tape drive that they used to run on Win3.1 before they were
forced to upgrade to 98SE. I don't think they ever have known if
they were -really- backing anything up, but they like the idea of
tape because it is familiar to them. What they have may actually be
a DAT drive (I haven't seen it yet), but they want to buy a new one.
On Windows, does one have to install a separate driver for a backup
drive from the drive's manufacturer, or does Retro alone take care
of that?
Stefan Jeglinski
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Re: retro for a small windows set-up
Brad is correct. For each supported tape and CD-R device, Retrospect loads
its own drivers. If Retrospect does not contain drivers for the drive, it is
usually considered unsupported (or at least not yet supported), and no other
additional drivers will allow Retrospect backups to the device.
For removable disk drives, Retrospect relies on the drivers that are
allowing the drive to be seen by the system.
Regards,
Matthew Tevenan
Technical Support Specialist
Dantz Development Corporation
925.253.3050
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From: "Thone, Bradley A (Swbt)" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:27:58 -0600
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Subject: RE: retro for a small windows set-up
Are they not the cases that:
If Retrospect supports the device, Dantz has a built-in driver for it, and
no MFR driver is needed?
If Retrospect does not support the device, then no MFR driver will enable
Retrospect to use the device?
Brad.
-Original Message-
From: Andrew Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 1:13 PM
To: retro-talk
Subject: Re: retro for a small windows set-up
Hi,
For such a small backup, I think DAT might be a bit expensive. Just my
$0.02. Also, I think that zip disks would be more reliable, but who knows -
luckily(?) retrospect is very good at error checking, so you only need to
worry
about media failure after backup. For 600MB, why not look at a JAZ drive
or an ORB drive? They are much cheaper than DAT, and backups would be
much faster. Unless they plan on archiving a lot of backups in a file
cabinet, a removable drive is a good way to go - but if you want to have
10 separate backup sets in a file cabinet, the cost goes up as disks are
no where near as cheap as tapes. I suggest a JAZ or ORB rather than a ZIP
to avoid frequent media swaps. I do this on 1 PC in my lab.
I'd stick to SCSI or IDE if either is an option - using parallel ports is
*way* slow. In general parallel ports cannot be daisy chained, except for
junk like dongles, and Iomega Zip drives that are specially designed to go
in between your computer and printer. I've heard some bad stories about how
well this works, so I'd personally only do it as a last resort.
For drivers, the answer is "it depends". Win 9x and NT have an assortment
of standard drivers included, but often they are missing the ones you want,
or the ones included are old or brain-dead. Usually it is a good idea to
load the drive MFRs most recent drivers; some MFRs even have drivers that
are certified by microsoft, though those are often not the most recent ones.
-Andy Cook
Pardon the naive question, but I am trying to provide a
recommendation for a small company. I'm used to Retro on the Mac and
backup a network to DLT, so I am a bit ignorant here.
The company needs a simple small non-networked backup solution (one
single PC), for the least amount of money (I know I know...). Of
course I am suggesting Retrospect, but I don't know of a suggestion
for a backup device. They wanted to just use a zip, but I am at
least recommending something more reliable than that.
For their light backup needs, I am thinking of just going with a
lowly DAT drive with a lot of redundancy. Can anyone recommend one
for a Pentium 100 with 16Meg running 98SE? Does one typically attach
such a thing to a parallel port? The machine already has 2 printers
connected to 2 physical parallel ports. Can one gang parallel ports
a la SCSI?
Although the amount to be backed up is not large (one small hard
drive, maybe 600MB), I am leaning toward DAT because the company
personnel are very technology disinclined, and something like a CDR
*will* scare them. Buying a Mac and backing up over a network is
totally out of the question ("what's a network?"). They have an
ancient tape drive that they used to run on Win3.1 before they were
forced to upgrade to 98SE. I don't think they ever have known if
they were -really- backing anything up, but they like the idea of
tape because it is familiar to them. What they have may actually be
a DAT drive (I haven't seen it yet), but they want to buy a new one.
On Windows, does one have to install a separate driver for a backup
drive from the drive's manufacturer, or does Retro alone take care
of that?
Stefan Jeglinski
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