Re: Bug in screen_access.c affecting all drivers.
On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, gl wrote: Agreed - but you guys can't have it both ways either. Either the policy exists because you genuinely don't want to work with anonymous users, then don't accept contributions through the backdoor. It makes the policy a joke. Small and trivial changes will always be accepted and used with or without the user being known or anonymous. We've always done it like this and your case is not an exception. -- Daniel Stenberg -- http://www.rockbox.org/ -- http://daniel.haxx.se/
Re: Bug in screen_access.c affecting all drivers.
First, I'm glad that reasonable is met with reasonable, I was afraid to enter this thread. Second, I have met Linus and Daniel in person, and I've rarely met more friendly and jovial engineers. I don't think that the policy is that we don't want want to _work with_ anonymous people, but merely that we cannot accept anonymous code ownership in our repository, so we can't take a patch from you, apply it and put you in the credits without your name. Users who submit bug reports generally do not get put in the credits file, and that is how you are being treated now, you are credited (I bet they would even let us credit you by 'gl' in the CVS logs) as having found the bug, and your proposed fix, implemented by one of us, is put in the repository. Rockbox is a very unique project in the open source world. It's a fairly large project, with a high level of technical difficulty that is implemented without any corporate financial backing. I think it is arguably only as successful as it is because of the attitude of real software by real people. This project feels like _real software_, and this means that in order to work on it, you must be a _real engineer_. I'm sorry that you won't be contributing bug reports any more. Good bug reports are very valuable to a project, probably better than half baked patches (no claim about _your_ patches here, just a general statement). Peace, Brandon On Thu, 04/06/06 at 10:14:27 +0100, gl wrote: If you post bugs to this list, and offer a fix, what would you have us do with it? Simply ignore it since you refuse to be given credit by name, or would you rather we improve the project by reimplementing and comitting that fix to the repository? At last somebody who can make a point in a reasonable way. What happened was that whilst I was reporting those bugs, it ocurred to me that the whole thing was ridiculous - if my work is no good here, why is it being accepted? I agree that it makes no sense to continue to do so. You can't have it both ways, if you don't want your ideas used, then don't post them, don't give them to us. If you _do_ then feel free to continue posting them, and we appreciate them. Agreed - but you guys can't have it both ways either. Either the policy exists because you genuinely don't want to work with anonymous users, then don't accept contributions through the backdoor. It makes the policy a joke. Either way, no bitching and moaning is needed, it's your choice, and as long as you continue posting those fixes to this mailing list, they will keep making their way into the repo. with or without your name attached to them. Bitching and moaning is the result of people acting like jerks to a legitimate complaint, reasonably made - Linus in this case. If you guys want a reasonable discussion, act reasonably (like you just have). It just goes to show that _everybody_ online hides behind their anonymity - unless you can see someone face to face, you can act how you like. But that seems to be generally sanctioned here, so I'm getting out of the zoo, problem solved. -- gl
Re: Bug in screen_access.c affecting all drivers.
(warning, OffTopic) Please. Not again. my appologies for letting myself go, I had decided not to respond to a single of these mails but obviously the Belgian beer didn't do me good yesterday. won't happen again (the letting go, not the beer)
Re: Bug in screen_access.c affecting all drivers.
No. In any case, I have credited you for this fix. Bug found by an anonymous person.. LOL Thanks for the insult. Sorry man, I just find it funny the way that the knife is twisted at each opportunity, and then surprise (or such) is suggested when the offendee rebuts. BC -- gl
Re: Bug in screen_access.c affecting all drivers.
My problem is that Linus on the one hand rejects my patches because, I quote we do not want to work with anonymous people, but then happily accepts and commits my fixes _without credit_! And then rubs my face in it. ... You continue to accuse the main developers ... What's an accusation without supporting evidence? http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/uisimulator/win32/uisw32.c?rev=1.28view=log#rev1.17 or http://tinyurl.com/zj8fg Bluechip
Re: Bug in screen_access.c affecting all drivers.
Bluechip wrote: What's an accusation without supporting evidence? http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/uisimulator/win32/uisw32.c?rev=1.28view=log#rev1.17 Hehe. Looks like I had a soft moment there. Won't happen again, promise. Linus
Re: Bug in screen_access.c affecting all drivers.
Please everyone, don't get up upset by this (I mean, linus, daniel etc.) and stop rockboxing. I would be gutted if it all ended because of this sillyness. Linus Nielsen Feltzing wrote: Bluechip wrote: What's an accusation without supporting evidence? http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/uisimulator/win32/uisw32.c?rev=1.28view=log#rev1.17 Hehe. Looks like I had a soft moment there. Won't happen again, promise. Linus
Re: Bug in screen_access.c affecting all drivers.
Please. Not again. Where's that apology Daniel? -- gl
Re: Bug in screen_access.c affecting all drivers.
Bluechip wrote: What's an accusation without supporting evidence? http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/uisimulator/win32/uisw32.c?rev=1.28view=log#rev1.17 Hehe. Looks like I had a soft moment there. Won't happen again, promise. Linus Now that respect and token-gratitude are declared signs of weakness, I am sure you will keep that promise. I thought better of you Linus, really, I honestly thought YOU were above such pettiness. BC
Re: Bug in screen_access.c affecting all drivers.
I immediately jumped to the inference that Linus means crediting people ...won't happen again (from there meaning the above link) ...he could well have meant, eschewing creditation ...won't happen again I hope that's tongue in cheek BC. Otherwise, props on your blind optimism : ). -- gl
Re: Bug in screen_access.c affecting all drivers.
My God, man, LET IT GO. We all appreciate that you have continued to find and report bugs, but overall you are doing far more harm than good with your constant whining and your puerile e-mails. gl wrote: Please. Not again. Where's that apology Daniel? -- gl
Re: Bug in screen_access.c affecting all drivers.
Michael My God, man, LET IT GO. We all appreciate that you have continued to find and report bugs, but overall you are doing far more harm than good with your constant whining and your puerile e-mails. Shame on you for trying to restrict the freedom of speech in this way! gl has a right to continue to moan until the politics of the project change to his satisfaction. If every moan is attached to a patch you should be *begging* him for more. If you don't like whining puerile emails, I suggest you simply ignore them rather than adding to the pile. -Cam -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Bug in screen_access.c affecting all drivers.
hello, I've downloaded and installed rockbox yesterday on a iaudio-x5 I love it ! and I've subscribed the mailinglist to see how I could help : I can confirm this thread has a bad impact on me, but I know you will find the way out anyway, thanks to everyone here you rock !!! ~samsouk Michael E. DiFebbo a écrit : My God, man, LET IT GO. We all appreciate that you have continued to find and report bugs, but overall you are doing far more harm than good with your constant whining and your puerile e-mails.
Re: Bug in screen_access.c affecting all drivers.
On Wed, 04/05/06 at 12:29:42 +0100, gl wrote: gl has a right to continue to moan until the politics of the project change to his satisfaction. Thanks but I have no desire to do that. My point is about consistency. Either my work is going to be accepted, or it isn't. Don't refuse my patches, but take exactly the same work from me without credit - that's just theft. And for the last time, I _never_ said I didn't want credit - that was somebody else. If you post bugs to this list, and offer a fix, what would you have us do with it? Simply ignore it since you refuse to be given credit by name, or would you rather we improve the project by reimplementing and comitting that fix to the repository? You can't have it both ways, if you don't want your ideas used, then don't post them, don't give them to us. If you _do_ then feel free to continue posting them, and we appreciate them. Either way, no bitching and moaning is needed, it's your choice, and as long as you continue posting those fixes to this mailing list, they will keep making their way into the repo. with or without your name attached to them. Brandon
Re: Bug in screen_access.c affecting all drivers.
gl has a right to continue to moan until the politics of the project change to his satisfaction. Always amazes me how nobody ever seeks a compromise an amicable solution. It always comes down to I'm right and You're wrong :( Thanks but I have no desire to do that. My point is about consistency. Either my work is going to be accepted, or it isn't. Don't refuse my patches, but take exactly the same work from me without credit - that's just theft. And for the last time, I _never_ said I didn't want credit - that was somebody else. If you post bugs to this list, and offer a fix, what would you have us do with it? Simply ignore it since you refuse to be given credit by name, or would you rather we improve the project by reimplementing and comitting that fix to the repository? what would you have us do Would it not make sense to stand by the policy that was first instigated on July 22nd 2004? http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/uisimulator/win32/uisw32.c?rev=1.28view=log#rev1.17 gl, Don't hold your breath for a Stenberg-apology. Everybody knows Daniel owes me a recent apology, a few will recall apologies long-owing, and most of them know it will never happen. Honour is British word. BC
Bug in screen_access.c affecting all drivers.
(does it seem bizarre to anyone that I can report bugs but not get credit for them?) screen_access.c, lines 156-157: screen-puts_scroll_style=lcd_puts_scroll_offset; screen-puts_scroll_offset=lcd_puts_scroll_style; Note assignments are the wrong 'way round (that's why my scrolled lines were never inverted!) -- gl
Re: Bug in screen_access.c affecting all drivers.
gl wrote: (does it seem bizarre to anyone that I can report bugs but not get credit for them?) Please man... get over it... or at least keep the complaints for yourself ok? Tomas
Re: Bug in screen_access.c affecting all drivers.
No. In any case, I have credited you for this fix. Bug found by an anonymous person.. Thanks for the insult. -- gl
Re: Bug in screen_access.c affecting all drivers.
No. In any case, I have credited you for this fix. Bug found by an anonymous person.. Thanks for the insult. I think this was rather meant as a friendly wink from Linus. Personally, I much appreciate your findings, keep going! \o/ Jörg -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! Feel free mit GMX DSL! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl
Re: Bug in screen_access.c affecting all drivers.
No. In any case, I have credited you for this fix. Bug found by an anonymous person.. Thanks for the insult. As you requested. No seriously. What the hell is your complaint. You *clearly* stated that you've been long enough in the business that you don't need the credits to prove yourself (and blow up your ego), yet the moment you don't get 'named' credit you complain. In Belgium there's only one word for this, and it roughly translates as 'pathetic' And I would advise against using the alias 'gl.tter' as it strongly resembles the name of a fellow countryman of you who's in jail for not so nice things. Unless they have internet access there ;) (note the smiley) Peter
Re: Bug in screen_access.c affecting all drivers.
What the hell is your complaint. You *clearly* stated that you've been long enough in the business that you don't need the credits to prove yourself (and blow up your ego), yet the moment you don't get 'named' credit you complain. Jesus christ, does anybody in this group *not* knee-jerk into hostility without thinking? I didn't post that! Get your facts straight before you bitch at me. My problem is that Linus on the one hand rejects my patches because, I quote we do not want to work with anonymous people, but then happily accepts and commits my fixes _without credit_! And then rubs my face in it. If they want me to respect their policy, how about not changing it whenever it suits them?! Or what about Daniel outright insulting BlueChip for 'only whinging and having made no contributions', and then when BlueChip clearly proves otherwise, doesn't even have the decency to issue an apology? Is there honour in these people?? I have been (and still am) involved in other projects, and have never had to deal with such disgraceful behaviour! In case anybody missed it, this is how I arrived here: Hi guys, great work you've done on this thing! So great in fact that two days after reading about what RockBox can do, I'm holding a H140 in my hand :). The bullshit I've since had thrown at me has got me here. And still I report core bugs because technically Rockbox is a great project and I've dedicated a huge amount of time to it already. Getting those things fixed as I find them seems like the right thing to do, especially in light of the 3.0 deadline. But what the hell am I bothering for? And I would advise against using the alias 'gl.tter' as it strongly resembles the name of a fellow countryman of you who's in jail for not so nice things. Unless they have internet access there ;) We have a word for that in England, it rougly translates as 'pathetic'. -- gl
Re: Bug in screen_access.c affecting all drivers.
On Tue, 4 Apr 2006, gl wrote: My problem is that Please. Not again. -- Daniel Stenberg -- http://www.rockbox.org/ -- http://daniel.haxx.se/
Re: Bug in screen_access.c affecting all drivers.
gl: If you want real credit for your work give a name, otherwise give it a rest.My problem is that Linus on the one hand rejects my patches because, I quotewe do not want to work with anonymous people, but then happily accepts and commits my fixes _without credit_! And then rubs my face in it. If theywant me to respect their policy, how about not changing it whenever it suitsthem?!What would you expect? You find the bugs, name them in public and then what? Either give you credit or ignore them? Like you have the copyright of the bugs? You brought them to light so they will be fixed one way or the other. If you are offended by this then stop the bug reporting/fixing. (though I would like you to continue)You continue to accuse the main developers and I am a little tired of this. I just don't want anymore of this story. It is starting to become spam. You are a small minority over this so I think that while you made your opinion clear (and you have the right to do so), repeating over this doesn't help anymore.You are a great programmer and your work in finding bugs is appreciated. But don't expect to gain credit from this the way things are now. (anyaway you claimed that you don't need credit) I just hope that this topic won't become like the previous one. And as Daniel very wisely said:Please. Not again.On 05/04/06, Daniel Stenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Tue, 4 Apr 2006, gl wrote: My problem is thatPlease. Not again.--Daniel Stenberg -- http://www.rockbox.org/ -- http://daniel.haxx.se/
