Re: [Rpm-maint] rpm: support lzip compression for %setup (patch)
On Wednesday 2008-12-17 12:53, Panu Matilainen wrote: On Sat, 29 Nov 2008, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 22:55 +0100, Jan Engelhardt wrote: LZIP is the new stable lzma compression utility Pardon, but what is your legitimation to claim lzip to be the new stable lzma compression utility? No doubt, it is yet one another lzma compression utility. ( http://freshmeat.net/p/lzip/ ) with magic bytes and checksum. IMO, rpm should not adopt lzip support, unless lzip has proven to be a functional and viable tool. See also: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/automake/2008-11/msg00076.html FWIW: I share Bob F's perspective. One lesson the mess about the original lzma has tought, is to be more reluctant on adoption of such compression tools. Wrt compressors for use in rpm payloads, absolutely agreed. Build-time support for uncompressing patches + tarballs for whatever formats is quite different issue and not harmful, but I see little point in having support for a format that barely exists in the wild (AFAICT). There must be some kind of universal law that states that projects (I'm not even talking 'bout compressors) that have N% attention market share get even more attention no matter how 'bad' they are, and that projects having less than those N% get no attention at all because everybody claims no one uses it so what. That way, projects that are just recently nascent can hardly take off no matter how 'good' they may be. Otherwise we should add LHA, ARJ and all the other myriads of known (un)compressors too... These belong to the set of tools that faded away. LZH and ARJ were absolutely normal in the 90s and not having an uncompressor for them on your DOS system meant you suck, because, (at least ARJ) did often provide better compression than PKZIP. As time passed, tools with other distinct features arose, such as (as CRC was already there) archive repair metadata, or even higher compression ratios. ___ Rpm-maint mailing list Rpm-maint@lists.rpm.org http://lists.rpm.org/mailman/listinfo/rpm-maint
Re: [Rpm-maint] rpm: support lzip compression for %setup (patch)
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 22:55 +0100, Jan Engelhardt wrote: LZIP is the new stable lzma compression utility Pardon, but what is your legitimation to claim lzip to be the new stable lzma compression utility? No doubt, it is yet one another lzma compression utility. ( http://freshmeat.net/p/lzip/ ) with magic bytes and checksum. IMO, rpm should not adopt lzip support, unless lzip has proven to be a functional and viable tool. See also: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/automake/2008-11/msg00076.html FWIW: I share Bob F's perspective. One lesson the mess about the original lzma has tought, is to be more reluctant on adoption of such compression tools. Wrt compressors for use in rpm payloads, absolutely agreed. Build-time support for uncompressing patches + tarballs for whatever formats is quite different issue and not harmful, but I see little point in having support for a format that barely exists in the wild (AFAICT). Otherwise we should add LHA, ARJ and all the other myriads of known (un)compressors too... - Panu - ___ Rpm-maint mailing list Rpm-maint@lists.rpm.org http://lists.rpm.org/mailman/listinfo/rpm-maint
Re: [Rpm-maint] rpm: support lzip compression for %setup (patch)
On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 22:55 +0100, Jan Engelhardt wrote: LZIP is the new stable lzma compression utility Pardon, but what is your legitimation to claim lzip to be the new stable lzma compression utility? No doubt, it is yet one another lzma compression utility. ( http://freshmeat.net/p/lzip/ ) with magic bytes and checksum. IMO, rpm should not adopt lzip support, unless lzip has proven to be a functional and viable tool. See also: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/automake/2008-11/msg00076.html FWIW: I share Bob F's perspective. One lesson the mess about the original lzma has tought, is to be more reluctant on adoption of such compression tools. Ralf ___ Rpm-maint mailing list Rpm-maint@lists.rpm.org http://lists.rpm.org/mailman/listinfo/rpm-maint
