Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and who likes what kind of S stuff
This subject has been discussed before, like most others, but I am not sure
if I have seen a suggestion to start yet another S group: S-hi-scalers.
Sounds more like a mountain climbing club instead of a model railroad
interest group...
But in point of fact, I am on both S scale and S trains list because I am a
hybrid hi-scaler. Stuff on both lists has interest for me.
I hasten to add that I am not volunteering to moderate such a group, but
would join if one were started.
Just a late night thought from Lenexa.
Roy Inman
From: Scale S Only [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 20:56:46 -0700
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, ed_loizeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts)
Well said about Dick K. After all, he is an engineer (of the materials
variety) and as far as I know, he has no axe to grind.
I still think that the testing is a valid use of the talents of the NASG.
Brooks Stover is an excellent example of hi-rail scale, and I presume
(oh-oh) that there are others. Having said all that, this forum is
supposed to be about SCALE S, not hi-rail.
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{S-Scale List} 1/64th vehicles
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From: MLR
To: John Degnan
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} New 1/64th vehicles
Hello S Gaugers,
Actually that line is closer to 1:50 and it is true with regards to what
John says about the wheels and so forth. You may want to consider Johnny
Lightning 1:64 die-cast but I'm not sure how true to size they are. They have a
project in progress line that you will definitely like. I've attached pictures
for reference. They were release a couple of years ago and come up for sale
from time to time of evilbay. Difficult to get the whole set but if you're
happy with a few then you shouldn't have a problem. ENJOY!!
Regards
Morris
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From: John Degnan
To: S-scale ; S-Trains ; roy inman
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} New 1/64th vehicles
I found these a while back, but I think you're gonna find that the line isn't
as great as it appears. MOST of them are souped-up with HUGE, rear racing
tires, some are lowered, some are jacked up in the rear and others are
chop-tops, all of which are completely worthless, not to mention stupid
looking, in my humble opinion of course. The only two I have found usable (so
far) are the 1957 Checy Suburban and the 1959 Cadillac (which is two years
after my cut-off date, so not really usable for my era).
John Degnan
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From: roy inman
To: S-scale ; S-Trains
Sent: May 28, 2007 5:50 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} New 1/64th vehicles
I have just discovered what I think is a new line of 1/64 scale vehicles by
Jada Toys.
Found three at Wal-Mart.
The line is called For Sale and includes weathered, kind of beat up,
dusty, rusty, multiple-colored fenders vehicles from a 1947 Ford F-100 to a
'59 Cadillac, and a bunch more.
Others may have seen them, but this is new to me. There are photos on the
www.jadatoys.com web site.
Oh, and each vehicle has a For Sale sign on the windshield. Pretty
funky...
I don't know if the Wal-Mart where I sometimes shop is just carrying the
three, or if perhaps the line is so new that the rest aren't out yet.
Roy Inman
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{S-Scale List} [Ad] New Sn3 McCabe Speeder
Howdy Friends Mechanisms - designed and built in the U.S.A. - are on the way here from our builder, and the Sn3 Speeders will be available to ship next week. These speeders were inspired by one on the Oregon-American Lumber Company, so they are perfect for the McCabe Lumber Co. The top photo on the speeder page shows the On3 version, but the Sn3 version will be just about the same... slightly different castings, but the overall look and shape is identical. Body is 25' long and 8'-6 wide. More info and pricing is at http://www.btsrr.com/bts8280.htm Sn2 and Sn42 versions are still in stock. S standard gauge versions are in production now for delivery this summer. *** Order this week and get free shipping on any Speeder! *** Thanks and take care Bill -- == Scale Model Railroad Products Manufacturer - Retailer - Importer Bill Diane Wade Phone: 304-637-4510 FAX: 304-637-4506 B.T.S. P O Box 856, Elkins, WV 26241 http://www.btsrr.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Re Tom's proposal (turnouts)
Gene, you are absolutely correct. Back when I was a kid with my first issues of Model Trains magazine (couldn't afford MR) they ran listing of all the H0 train sets and many of those sets actually contained Atlas track. So much of the H0 RTR world was defined by Atlas track. Because of the much smaller market and a desire for each S manufacturer to make some money 'doing their own thing' we now have several brands of non interchangeable track systems, of which non are anywhere near complete. In our small club we have one guy using Gargraves, one using AF/SHS combo, and six using 126 or smaller. The two hi-railer's are severely limited in what they can do with their layouts where the scale guys have several options for everything except cross overs and fancy switches. I believe the S world would best be served by one of the two majors (AM SHS) dropping out of making track and supporting the other--only if they both supported making a complete line of track products. However, at this time if you consider rail size itself only SHS would survive in the scale world. However, SHS's lack of turnout sizes, and cross overs plus perhaps a smaller rail size option makes it difficult to make a case for making a scale layout with their current line. American models, Custom Track and any other rail size would be a problem in the scale world. So because all the track guys want to make a few bucks selling stuff they will continue their separate ways and frustrate anybody coming into the scale! Bob Werre G C wrote: Well, As a person who is a somewhat later entry into the world of S, in my most humble opinion I see a great deal of value in having a turnout that will handle what I thought S wanted to grow. Some lament not having enough ready to run sets available to attract new people into the world of S. Don't you think a universal turnout would be a great device for doing that as well.Realizing that a lot of hard work went into refining standards, I believe that having a vehicle as it were to allow folks to have the best of all worlds would be a plus. Maybe my view is in the minority, but I see it as a positive one for S. If some folks want to stick with just scale let them; same goes for the AF folks. Gene Cimino - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts-A parallax view...)
Seems to me that since big L is going their own way, in effect we don't even
HAVE a hi-rail wheel standard.
Manufacturers of lots of other stuff, from ball point to automobile tires to
computers have all gotten together and come to common ground on standards.
But there obviously has to be a motivation. The pocketbook is usually a
pretty good tool for sure. But I wonder what would happen if the major SIGs
in model trains spoke as one voice for a true S hi-rail standard if that
would help persuade Lionel?
I don't know if it would be possible to convince say 1,000 Flyonel
collectors/runners to write to Lionel asking for them to conform to some
industry standard? And if there were 1,000 individual voices would L pay
attention? Who can say?
But Lionel DOES pay attention to the wants and desires of the O gauge bunch.
It did take the likes of Mike Wolf at MTH to wake them up and realize that,
hello, the contemporary Lionel fan wanted the detailing and features that
Mike's equipment gave them.
Now if we could only get Lionel to recognize that a similar thing has
happened in S...I wonder if they realize how much money they are leaving on
the table by NOT realizing that the Flyer market is not the only phase of S
these days, albeit the biggest.
Any ideas how we might put pressure on the big Orange and Blue?
Roy Inman
From: Bob Werre [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 10:46:47 -0500
To: roy inman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com s-scale@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains
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Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts-A parallax view...)
Roy, so what you would like is a new hi-rail wheel standard, which is a
great idea if you can convince the folks at Lionel to change! Without
their cooperation all is lost--so vote with your dollars and letters to
Lionel asking them why their stuff won't work with trackage we have now.
Bob Werre
roy inman wrote:
Since I have seen up close and personal only two varieties of S turnouts,
this thought may seem terribly naive:
Is there a chance we are looking at the problem backwards?
Why doesn't someone create wheel sets that would be universal instead of
trying to create turnouts to match all? The scale guys would not use them
because they are all set with code 100 so the new wheels/couplers
would not
be an item for them.
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Re: {S-Scale List} Re: How many have switched...
Count me as one who has LAF cars and who also has the LAF Mikado and wants
to run them with scale AM, SHS and RR models. I have changed out couplers on
most and will eventually switch them all, one way or another. So far, the
new LAF crane car and tender are most the realistic version of that
equipment I have seen, for example. There may be a brass version, don't
know, but not at that price.
Judging from an admittedly tiny, tiny sample, folks like me may be a large
minority within the S community:
hi-scalers. But that is just a guess.
Roy Inman
From: meldridge2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 15:05:56 +
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: Tom's proposal (turnouts)
I'm curious, is there anybody on this list that has switched to S
within the last 20 years that also has Flyer equipment they want to run?
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{S-Scale List} Turnouts, Turnouts!
We in S scale have so many different kinds of turnouts on our layouts. On the Jefferson Central, there are my hand laid, Shinohara, modified Bob Peare and Midlin Models, Tomalco, Old Pullman and others?. Good Grief, it is hard to believe that the trains really run on it! But crazy as it sounds, the only thing my equipment is interested in, is, proper gauge and it getting juice! Oh sure, sometimes things go wrong, especially when you have a large group visiting, but over all it all works. The other day I backed into the Staging Yard a very large train headed up by two of those very big AM Trainmasters and all went well. I did find that I have two old switches in the staging yard that need replaced. But what is new about that? They have been that way for several years! This past Sunday our Lehigh Valley S Gaugers went on a layout visitation and the owner of this very nice computer operated HO layout is a perfectionist! Oh My, some of his trains de-railed! Tsk! Tsk! What was worse is that our LVSG base this past Sunday was at Bert Mahr's and we were running his beautiful S Scale CONRAIL EASTERN RAILROAD with full sound before going on our visitation! WOW! Well, I digress, anyway, I kept talking to the owner about the N scale people I knew, not realizing that his layout was in HO! Tsk! Tsk! Must be my age or a Senior moment? Hey, we're in S Scale and until someone like perhaps SHS Service - American Models comes up with a variety of true S scale switches, will we never be standardized! I guess what I'm trying to say is buy your switches [where ever!] , make sure they are in gauge before you lay them, and have fun! Have a good Day, Bill Fraley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Trainstuff LLC Going Out of Business
Hi Paul and All I have tried unsuccessfully to contact Dayna for months to order a couple of buildings without a word back. I have a number of her structures in stock for anyone interested in some of the older ones also.. I have been trying to get one of the #4019S Ghostport Stations for a customer if anyone has one they want to sell. Howard Sheffield Howard S Trains On May 28, 2007, at 5:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As you may know, TrainStuffLLC produces a line of S scale urban structures. I've purchased several myself. Yesterday I went to the TrainstuffLLC website and saw the following at the top of the homepage: After much soul searching and really looking at things I have decided to sell off all the masters, molds and rights. I thank all my customers and will let you know who they go to. Hope everyone has a sparklin' day! Dayna This was confirmed by e-mail to the company. Paul S. ** See what's free at http:// www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} WP Caboose
Hi Group This is a new product announcement for you and sales pitch. I just posted a picture of the new WP Caboose I got made. It is in the Howard' S Trains album titled WP Caboose of course. These are available for $39.95 for either number in both scale and high rail. $45 will deliver it to you anywhere continental USA. For 2 the cost will be $43 each delivered. Howard Sheffield Howard' S Trains PO Box 430 Fort Bragg, CA 95437 707-961-0186 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: {S-Scale List} Re: Tom's proposal (turnouts)
Hi Michael and Esteemed Colleagues,
As a point of fact, I did switch to S-Scale within the last 10 years and I
do have and wish to run American Flyer Equipment as well as SHS, American
Models and Putt. Sadly, I barely have room for one layout and certainly not
for two. Now you know of one.
The Just Swap The Wheels argument is pretty good for SHS (they come with
both) and for freight or passenger cars. It is a mediocre argument for
American models since you must buy (fairly expensive) different wheels for
both diesels and for steamers. It is wrong for converting American Flyer
steamers since no such scale wheels are available. I don't know about the
diesels since I don't run Flyer diesels.
I like the trains. I like the scenery. I like the operational concepts. I
also thoroughly enjoy seeing old American Flyer trains run through my scale
scenery. I even suspect that since this topic comes up over and over again,
that there are more like me who wish to run both modern scale equipment and
older, historic trains.
We should put a number with this thread in the same way that the old
lumberjacks used to number the jokes to save the time of telling them. We
also need numbers for How Shall We Promote the Hobby, Why Won't the Rest
of the World Support My Favorite Pet Project, Where are all the Young
Model Railroaders and few others.
Bill
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From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
meldridge2000
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:06 AM
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: Tom's proposal (turnouts)
I don't see how a universal turnout would attract any newcomers to S
Scale. From what I can tell, if they already have Flyer equipment,
they are already in S Scale. I'd like to know if there is anybody that
considers himself or herself new to S Scale that is not a scaler.
I'm curious, is there anybody on this list that has switched to S
within the last 20 years that also has Flyer equipment they want to run?
Personally, I switched ten years ago from HO when I found out there
were scale steam locomotives available. I had no idea what Flyer
looked like until I went to an NASG convention.
-Michael Eldridge
-San Jose
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Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts-A parallax view...)
- Original Message - Seems to me that since big L is going their own way, in effect we don't even HAVE a hi-rail wheel standard. I have a hi-rail wheel standard - throw them out - works fine for me. Art Armstrong [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and who likes what kind of S stuff
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, roy inman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I am on both S scale and S trains list because I am a hybrid hi-scaler. Stuff on both lists has interest for me. I am becoming a hybrid hi-scaler myself, Roy - out of necessity. Stuff on both lists has interest for me as well. On the one hand I think it would be a great idea to have a separate group just for us. On the other hand I don't think there is a large enough S population to support it. Yet another group would fragment us even more. Probably the best option for guys like us is to stay plugged into and contribute to the health growth of both Lists. Tim Brown Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Promoting S, sort of an advert
Hi Gang, We at Pine Canyon have now set up our web site to cross-promote S-scale trains, cars and trucks. Several new statements and links have been added to teach diecast collectors that S-scale trains work with their scenes. We have registered a couple new .com names to piont these collectors to our site. You can now reach our site by typing cruisingmain.com or cruisinmain.com along with a few others, like pinecanyonrr.com Hopeing to move our hobby forward, Keith Blanchard http//www.cruisingmain.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Hi-Rail S scale
In the current issue of Railroad Model Craftsman, Keith Wills wrote: Those in S, Hi-rail or pure tinplate could choose Flyer trucks with link or knuckle couplers, die-cast or stamped frames, scale or tinplate flanged wheelsets in any combination. American Flyer, while having given S scale a boost in 1946, also managed to 'Fracture' it, weakening it the way O had been and which HO never experienced. Could someone run a poll has to how many of us are purely scale in our track standards? Only track standards in this case,as has many times been pointed out that hi-rail can have scale scenery, scale freight and passenger cars, etc. Just curious. I suspect the majority of this list are hi-railers. George Courtney Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Tom's proposal (turnouts)
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bill Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Just Swap The Wheels argument is pretty good for SHS It is a mediocre argument for American models . It is wrong for converting American Flyer steamers since no such scale wheels are available. Hi Bill, The swap the wheels arguement can go both ways. If you have large flange equipment you want to run why not put the large flange wheels on the rest of the scale equipment and use switches to suit? Most newer stuff is available with both large and small flange wheels. If half of the equipment is scale flanged and half is flyer flanged then why wouldn't it look just as good to have all flyer flanged and simplify the track construction?.dave Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} ATSF Tower
Hi Gang For the last year Greg Elms and myself and I don't know who else has been trying to get John Houlihan of Irish Tracklayer to get an S kit out of the Interlocking ATSF Tower like the one in Merced that is pictured in my album. This is a very limited edition kit. I just received a shipment of these and it can be seen in my album under Howard' S Trains. The price on these is $109.95. You can see more details at John's site at irishtracklayer.com The kit is laser cut and icludes stainless steel screens for the windows. Hopefully we will be able to keep builders interested in doing more in S. Howard Sheffield Howard' S Trains Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Tom's proposal (turnouts)
I can relate to the sort of elite status of working in a relatively
obscure scale whose inner workings are nearly incomprehensible to the
average person. It is sort of nice to be special.
On the other hand, N scale has just two track heights in general use: Code
55 and code 80 (I believe it is 80, maybe it is 88...). Anyway, virtually
every N gauge/scale engine or piece of rolling stock ever made will work
with today's track and turnouts. And someone correct me if I'm wrong, but
isn't N a more recent addition to the modeling world than S? And isn't there
more available in N than in S, even though it is a relative newcomer? There
are reasons for that, and it ain't all about price.
For me, I could forego the convoluted aspect of dealing with 4~5 different
types of wheelsets and the same number (or more) of types of track and
turnouts. I could, therefore, spend more time on developing a layout.
Observe the growth of On30. What a phenomenon! One track gauge, HO, which is
close enough for all but the most hardened rivet counters, and one type of
turnout fits all engines and rolling stock. There is On30 track designed for
the purpose, and I suppose the scale folks would go that route. And look at
all the equipment and structures that are available for a gauge/scale that
is, what a decade old? Price of course has a very large bearing. But so does
efficiency.
S is anything but efficient and easy, for newbies especially. In point of
fact, I know of at least two local S modelers that have switched to On30
exclusively.
Roy Inman
From: Bill Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:54:43 -0400
To: 'ctxmf74' [EMAIL PROTECTED], S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: {S-Scale List} Re: Tom's proposal (turnouts)
Hi Dave,
Yes indeed, as long as one is buying new equipment, it is certainly possible
to buy it all to match.
For those of us not ready to buy that much new equipment, the turnout issue
comes back in play.
Of course, the old style flanges are not very handsome. The real scale
wheels do look better to my eyes. It winds up something of a quandary and a
compromise. The question I was answering is not a Why not do it this way?
question. It was a question of whether on not anyone did it the other way. I
do and so do others.
Simplification is always a thorny issue. I suspect that few of us on the
sale list really want it simple. If we did, we would opt for the tinplate
stuff that lacks all manner of 3D detail. Instead, we seek our own level of
comfort with detail versus fragility versus cost (and probably more
dimensions than that).
Bill
Reply from Bill Porter
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Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: Tom's proposal (turnouts)
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com .com, Bill
Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Just Swap The Wheels argument is pretty good for SHS It is a
mediocre argument for
American models . It is wrong for converting American Flyer
steamers since no such scale wheels are available.
Hi Bill, The swap the wheels arguement can go both ways. If you
have large flange equipment you want to run why not put the large
flange wheels on the rest of the scale equipment and use switches to
suit? Most newer stuff is available with both large and small flange
wheels. If half of the equipment is scale flanged and half is flyer
flanged then why wouldn't it look just as good to have all flyer
flanged and simplify the track construction?.dave
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Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Tom's proposal (turnouts)
Michael, you may be overlooking many who had Flyer as a kid (or still have it)
and now have the time to play with trains again. We want them to be able to
buy scale stuff as well, to increase the market for stuff we want produced.
Roger Nulton
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From: meldridge2000
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:05 AM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: Tom's proposal (turnouts)
I don't see how a universal turnout would attract any newcomers to S
Scale. From what I can tell, if they already have Flyer equipment,
they are already in S Scale. I'd like to know if there is anybody that
considers himself or herself new to S Scale that is not a scaler.
I'm curious, is there anybody on this list that has switched to S
within the last 20 years that also has Flyer equipment they want to run?
Personally, I switched ten years ago from HO when I found out there
were scale steam locomotives available. I had no idea what Flyer
looked like until I went to an NASG convention.
-Michael Eldridge
-San Jose
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, G C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I thought S wanted to grow. Some lament not having enough ready to
run sets available to attract new people into the world of S. Don't
you think a universal turnout would be a great device for doing that
as well.
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Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts)
Very well done, Ed. I think that you have this issue covered.
The only thing I might disagree with you on is the number of people who want to
run all types of S trains on the same track, but I have only anecdotal
evidence. I did at one time include myself among them, but I abandoned my
quest for the holy grail of a universal turnout and sold or traded all of my AF
and hirail stuff.
Since this is supposed to be the scale list after all, hopefully we can put
this issue to rest or perhaps export it over to the hirail list.
Roger Nulton
- Original Message -
From: ed_loizeaux
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts)
I am going to propose is a test of all S gauge turnouts for a
comparison like we have seen done in Model Railroader.
I tend to doubt that Model Railroader magazine would ever have run a
comparison product review between Lionel O gauge switches and Old
Pullman O scale turnouts. Or between Maerklin HO gauge switches and
Shinohara HO scale turnouts. However, this is S and, as we all know,
us S guys are -- well -- different. So on with the show.
The testing would involve the running of trains, not pushing trucks
through the turnouts.
As long as we are establishing the criteria, I would suggest that
backing-up 10-car trains through the curved route at medium speed be
part of the test. Pulling only is not sufficient. Pushing and
backing-up also need to be evaluated. And pushing trucks while
applying side pressure is a very valid way of evaluationg things as
well. All of these approaches should be part of a thorough
examination.
And certainly not just measuring turnouts to one set of
standards,
Beg to differ here, but it is certainly possible to evaluate
performance by accurately comparing a turnout to well-designed
standards. If the turnout deviates from the NASG scale standards in
one way or another, predictions as to what will happen during
operation are not difficult at all. Same comment applies to high-
rail and AF as well. So any unbiased test should include accurate
and precise measurement and comparison to standards.
which has little bearing for the vast majority of S gauge
equipment.
Adhering to NASG standards is the best way, and perhaps the only way,
to achieve flawless operational performance in the SCALE arena. So
if the turnouts being evaluated are intended for scale trains (among
others), any deviations from the standards should be noted and
evaluated. I believe the same comment could be made for high-rail
operators. Not being an AF fan, I have no idea what kinds of
standards, if any, even exist for AF equipment. But if there are
any, the turnouts conformity or deviance from said standards should
be noted. Perhaps precise measurement of a genuine AF Gilbert-
produced switch could be used as a defacto standard for AF.
All S gauge equipment will be represented - Flyer, Hi-rail and
scale.
From what I have heard on this List so far, the pure scale guys could
care less. Likewise, the pure AF guys. Even the pure high-rail guys
probably would not view this testing program as a high priority
activity. The only folks who will care are those who want to run
scale, hi-rail and AF all on the same trackage. This amounts to very
few people. Certainly not the mainstream of our chosen size of
trains. So the question becomes one of how much effort should be put
into a testing program for which only a very few people want to know
the results? Maybe one of those people who really care about the
results should volunteer to conduct the testing program.
All turnout manufacturers will have their chance to show the S world
what their turnouts can do.
When the NMRA does this type of testing, they sometimes buy the
product anonymously to insure that the product represents what the
consumer will actually get. Manufacturers have been known to hand
caress products in order to pass inspections, but the consumer gets
the mass produced item which might not be as precisely crafted.
Given that most of the turnouts in S are hand built, I would expect a
fair amount of variability from one to another even from the same
manufacturer. Someone will have to be sure that specially tweaked
products are NOT used for this evaluation. Perhaps evaluating
consistency of dimensions for a dozen turnouts within a given brand
should be part of the tesing program.
To keep the testing above board, I would hope the testers would be
from all aspects of S.
Y'mean if testers were from only one aspect of S that the results
would be dishonest? Sorry, I don't buy into that line of thinking at
all. What if the tester was an HO guy? That way there would be no S
aspect bias at all. The knowledge and skill of the tester is what is
{S-Scale List} THIS LIST
I suspect the majority of this list are hi-railers. George Courtney GentsWith all due respect to the hi-railers on this List, it should be remembered that THIS LIST is for SCALE topics only. In my humble opinion, discussions of AF/hi-rail/multi-use turnouts/etc. belong elsewhere. Is there a hi-rail List? How about S-trains? I, for one, am saturated with this non-scale stuff. Are the Moderators awake yet? H-e-l-l-o out there..!! Having fun yet?Ed L. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, ed_loizeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect the majority of this list are hi-railers. George Courtney GentsWith all due respect to the hi-railers on this List, it should be remembered that THIS LIST is for SCALE topics only. In my humble opinion, discussions of AF/hi-rail/multi-use turnouts/etc. belong elsewhere. Is there a hi-rail List? How about S-trains? I, for one, am saturated with this non-scale stuff. Are the Moderators awake yet? H-e-l-l-o out there..!! Having fun yet?Ed L. Ed, There are only two perfect ones on this list; me and thee and I sometimes wonder about thee. That was a humourous attempt at corrupting an old Amish saying. Pint taken. Tim Brown Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} THIS LIST
In a message dated 5/29/2007 6:05:48 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GentsWith all due respect to the hi-railers on this List, it should be remembered that THIS LIST is for SCALE topics only. In my humble opinion, discussions of AF/hi-rail/multi-opinion, discussions of A elsewhere. Is there a hi-rail List? How about S-trains? I, for one, am saturated with this non-scale stuff. Are the Moderators awake yet? H-e-l-l-o out there..!H-e-l-l-o out there..! -- - Ed you are squirming and I am laughing. Does this mean I am having fun? You have already honored this subject on the S Scale forum by your very thoughtful contribution to the subject over the last couple of days. --- I think this is a valid issue for the S-Scale folks if the S-Scalers want to grow their numbers. There are enough S gaugers who are primarily high rail right now that would like to migrate to scale. Do they have to migrate 100% to be a scaler? What if they are only 75% but they purchase new products made for the scale market? Doesn't this help the scalers? I think we are in this together. No I am not including the pure AF collectors or pure AF operators. They truly do not belong on the S Scale forum. But a universal track system could benefit the Scalers, even if this is not what the current scalers want, assuming they want the scale side to grow in numbers and products. - Earl Henry, Nashville, Home of the Vanderbilt Commodores The Number One Seeded Baseball Team in the NCAA Tournament ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} THIS LIST
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, ed_loizeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Define non-scale, please. Tim Brown Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} THIS LIST-what is scale?
Doesn't it come down to one's definition of what is scale?
We have been over this road before too.
Roy Inman
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Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 19:32:23 -0400 (EDT)
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} THIS LIST
In a message dated 5/29/2007 6:05:48 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:Loizeaux%40SBCGlobal.net writes:
GentsWith all due respect to the hi-railers on this List, it should
be remembered that THIS LIST is for SCALE topics only. In my humble
opinion, discussions of AF/hi-rail/multi-opinion, discussions of A
elsewhere. Is there a hi-rail List? How about S-trains? I, for one,
am saturated with this non-scale stuff. Are the Moderators awake yet?
H-e-l-l-o out there..!H-e-l-l-o out there..!
--
-
Ed you are squirming and I am laughing. Does this mean I am having fun?
You
have already honored this subject on the S Scale forum by your very
thoughtful contribution to the subject over the last couple of days.
---
I think this is a valid issue for the S-Scale folks if the S-Scalers want to
grow their numbers. There are enough S gaugers who are primarily high rail
right now that would like to migrate to scale. Do they have to migrate 100%
to
be a scaler? What if they are only 75% but they purchase new products made
for the scale market? Doesn't this help the scalers? I think we are in
this
together. No I am not including the pure AF collectors or pure AF
operators.
They truly do not belong on the S Scale forum. But a universal track system
could benefit the Scalers, even if this is not what the current scalers
want,
assuming they want the scale side to grow in numbers and products.
-
Earl Henry,
Nashville, Home of the Vanderbilt Commodores
The Number One Seeded Baseball Team in the NCAA Tournament
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Gentleman, Have I missed something? I thought this Group was for scale S. What does it have to do with hi rail and Flyer? I left toys when i was 10. I would really like to see scale discussions. Like DCC , Spirel easements, scenery, things that have something to do with model railroading instead of toys, My 2 cents worth Thanks B Cutler Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} THIS LIST
- Original Message - From: ed_loizeaux I would like the Moderator to wake up and make a decision There are only two lists of any importance, the s-scale list and the s-trains list. The s-trains list seems to be populated 90% by people whose only interest is American Flyer, collecting, fixing, operating. That leaves the s-scale list as the only communication resource for people who want to do something creative, even if it is a dumb idea in the minds of us wiser, older list members, such as running high-rail and scale wheels on the same track. This list should be for anyone who wants to work with (as opposed to just collect) S scale/gauge trains even if they may have over-size flanges and run on over-height rail. The name Brooks Stover came up recently here, as it often does in a discussion. For your information, Brooks is smart enough not to try to mix standards. All of his equipment has SHS or AM trucks with high-rail wheelsets, and runs on AM's code 148 track and turnouts. Why people who want to retain and operate their AF equipment, but who buy SHS, AM c with scale wheels, is a bafflement. But some of us belong to clubs where, wisely or not, we try to make portable layouts that will run everybody's equipment, scale high-rail. If Richard K ever gets a proper Tom's turnout with frog insert, he can report back to us his evaluation and we can take that information to our clubs. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Re: THIS LIST
You're the one that started all this, right Tim? Maybe we should kick you over
to the other' list.
Roger Nulton
- Original Message -
From: Tim Brown
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:16 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: THIS LIST
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, ed_loizeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I suspect the majority
of this list are hi-railers.
George Courtney
GentsWith all due respect to the hi-railers on this List, it
should
be remembered that THIS LIST is for SCALE topics only. In my
humble
opinion, discussions of AF/hi-rail/multi-use turnouts/etc. belong
elsewhere. Is there a hi-rail List? How about S-trains? I, for
one,
am saturated with this non-scale stuff. Are the Moderators awake
yet?
H-e-l-l-o out there..!! Having fun yet?Ed L.
Ed,
There are only two perfect ones on this list; me and thee and I
sometimes wonder about thee. That was a humourous attempt at
corrupting an old Amish saying. Pint taken.
Tim Brown
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Re: {S-Scale List} THIS LIST
Tsk. Tsk. Brooks Stover's railroad can't be considered SCALE, can it? After all, he's got them thar HiRail wheels... :-) I asked the following question to this list a long time ago and I think it bears being asked again: Which is more S scale -- A Pacific Rail Shops boxcar with Flyer compatible trucks and couplers or an American Flyer boxcar with P:64 wheels and Sergent couplers? Rich G. Making a great deal out of very little for the better half of a century. --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Tom Hawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The name Brooks Stover came up recently here, as it often does in a discussion. For your information, Brooks is smart enough not to try to mix standards. All of his equipment has SHS or AM trucks with high- rail wheelsets, and runs on AM's code 148 track and turnouts. Why people who want to retain and operate their AF equipment, but who buy SHS, AM c with scale wheels, is a bafflement. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Roger Nulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're the one that started all this, right Tim? Maybe we should kick you over to the other' list. Roger Nulton What? And miss out on all this cool dialogue in an international forum! I'm trying to Forest Gump my way into a more scale paradigm. Tim Brown Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts)
agreed Roger except lets punt it rather than export it.
cheers
- Original Message -
From: Roger Nulton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; ed_loizeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts)
Very well done, Ed. I think that you have this issue covered.
The only thing I might disagree with you on is the number of people who
want to run all types of S trains on the same track, but I have only
anecdotal evidence. I did at one time include myself among them, but I
abandoned my quest for the holy grail of a universal turnout and sold or
traded all of my AF and hirail stuff.
Since this is supposed to be the scale list after all, hopefully we can
put this issue to rest or perhaps export it over to the hirail list.
Roger Nulton
- Original Message -
From: ed_loizeaux
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts)
I am going to propose is a test of all S gauge turnouts for a
comparison like we have seen done in Model Railroader.
I tend to doubt that Model Railroader magazine would ever have run a
comparison product review between Lionel O gauge switches and Old
Pullman O scale turnouts. Or between Maerklin HO gauge switches and
Shinohara HO scale turnouts. However, this is S and, as we all know,
us S guys are -- well -- different. So on with the show.
The testing would involve the running of trains, not pushing trucks
through the turnouts.
As long as we are establishing the criteria, I would suggest that
backing-up 10-car trains through the curved route at medium speed be
part of the test. Pulling only is not sufficient. Pushing and
backing-up also need to be evaluated. And pushing trucks while
applying side pressure is a very valid way of evaluationg things as
well. All of these approaches should be part of a thorough
examination.
And certainly not just measuring turnouts to one set of
standards,
Beg to differ here, but it is certainly possible to evaluate
performance by accurately comparing a turnout to well-designed
standards. If the turnout deviates from the NASG scale standards in
one way or another, predictions as to what will happen during
operation are not difficult at all. Same comment applies to high-
rail and AF as well. So any unbiased test should include accurate
and precise measurement and comparison to standards.
which has little bearing for the vast majority of S gauge
equipment.
Adhering to NASG standards is the best way, and perhaps the only way,
to achieve flawless operational performance in the SCALE arena. So
if the turnouts being evaluated are intended for scale trains (among
others), any deviations from the standards should be noted and
evaluated. I believe the same comment could be made for high-rail
operators. Not being an AF fan, I have no idea what kinds of
standards, if any, even exist for AF equipment. But if there are
any, the turnouts conformity or deviance from said standards should
be noted. Perhaps precise measurement of a genuine AF Gilbert-
produced switch could be used as a defacto standard for AF.
All S gauge equipment will be represented - Flyer, Hi-rail and
scale.
From what I have heard on this List so far, the pure scale guys could
care less. Likewise, the pure AF guys. Even the pure high-rail guys
probably would not view this testing program as a high priority
activity. The only folks who will care are those who want to run
scale, hi-rail and AF all on the same trackage. This amounts to very
few people. Certainly not the mainstream of our chosen size of
trains. So the question becomes one of how much effort should be put
into a testing program for which only a very few people want to know
the results? Maybe one of those people who really care about the
results should volunteer to conduct the testing program.
All turnout manufacturers will have their chance to show the S world
what their turnouts can do.
When the NMRA does this type of testing, they sometimes buy the
product anonymously to insure that the product represents what the
consumer will actually get. Manufacturers have been known to hand
caress products in order to pass inspections, but the consumer gets
the mass produced item which might not be as precisely crafted.
Given that most of the turnouts in S are hand built, I would expect a
fair amount of variability from one to another even from the same
manufacturer. Someone will have to be sure that specially tweaked
products are NOT used for this evaluation. Perhaps evaluating
consistency of dimensions for a dozen turnouts within a given brand
should be part of the tesing program.
To keep the testing above board, I would hope the testers would be
from all aspects of S.
Y'mean if testers were from only one aspect of S that
{S-Scale List} List running amok......
Whomever is in charge of the List should render a decision regarding what is a permissable topic to post. The List is running amok! Some folks think hi-rail and AF and Flyonel and tinplate wheelsets are perfectly suitable topics for a List that advertises itself as an S scale List. Others prefer to keep it mostly scale oriented -- with limited exceptions. Does the Moderator even care? Where is help when we need it? Is the Moderator(s) playing Rip Van Winkle? Won't be long before another truly scale List starts up if this continues. Not a threat, but a prediction. Thanks...Ed L. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Brooks Stover was THIS LIST
A good idea - another check for prototypical operation. How many gs do you think the normal passenger and freight trains experience in starting and stopping? We could get some space-age hi-tech accelerometers and mount them in our engines. How many gs do you think our models - even the ones trying to emulate protype speeds - will display? I expect that our normal operations are too close already to the descriptions below. - Original Message - Does the term highballing mean anything to you. I've heard that prototype engineers and yard masters had a constant feud over that very topic! Tracks were ripped up, cupped, worn, etc. over the highballers with their jackrabbit starts out of the yards and stations. Do we want to run prototypical? If we do, then we can't discount the hotshots; and their actions should be a part of our prototypical ops. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Fw: {S-Scale List} Brooks Stover was THIS LIST
- Original Message - From: Art Armstrong In general, how fast does Brooks Stover run his mainline trains? I mean, of course, their scale speed. I can't give you a scale MPH number, but I would say his DCC-controlled S-scale Buffalo Creek Gauley trains run VERY slowly, and there is much more setting out picking up than mainline running. Tom Hawley Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} THIS LIST
Define non-scale, please. Tim Brown Hi Tim... Anything that is not scale can be considered non-scale. Cheers...Ed L. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Tom's proposal (turnouts)
Up until now, no one has considered P64 wheelsets. Perhaps a Heavyweight Passenger car or two sporting these could be considered. I can certainly provide them. cheers, Andy Malette www.mlwservices.ca Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} THIS LIST-what is scale?
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, roy inman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Doesn't it come down to one's definition of what is scale?
Not to be overly facetious, with respect, and not to put too fine a
point on it...
S: the ratio of 1:64; 3/16 = 1'-0
scale model: A three-dimensional representation of an object having
all parts in the same proportion of their true size.
It follows that an S scale model would be comprised of components
which were ALL made to a proportion of one sixty-fourth of their true
sizes (the ideal represented in the form of Proto64 in this
instance). A model including details which were out of proportion
with the established ratio could not, therefore, be
considered scale in the context of this discussion.
While keeping in mind that even wheels and couplers that are
considered scale items have often been fabricated marginally
oversize or to a not-to-exact-prototype outline (i.e. the venerable
Kadee products) purely for reasons of reliability and/or
manufacturability - items that are presented so far out of proportion
or fidelity as to be immediately incongruous to the eye cannot be, in
all generosity, considered scale and may therefore be taken as
excluded from discussion in this forum.
regards,
ChrisA
We have been over this road before too.
Roy Inman
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 19:32:23 -0400 (EDT)
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} THIS LIST
In a message dated 5/29/2007 6:05:48 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:Loizeaux%40SBCGlobal.net writes:
GentsWith all due respect to the hi-railers on this List, it
should
be remembered that THIS LIST is for SCALE topics only. In my humble
opinion, discussions of AF/hi-rail/multi-opinion, discussions of A
elsewhere. Is there a hi-rail List? How about S-trains? I, for one,
am saturated with this non-scale stuff. Are the Moderators awake
yet?
H-e-l-l-o out there..!H-e-l-l-o out there..!
--
-
Ed you are squirming and I am laughing. Does this mean I am having
fun?
You
have already honored this subject on the S Scale forum by your very
thoughtful contribution to the subject over the last couple of days.
---
I think this is a valid issue for the S-Scale folks if the S-
Scalers want to
grow their numbers. There are enough S gaugers who are primarily
high rail
right now that would like to migrate to scale. Do they have to
migrate 100%
to
be a scaler? What if they are only 75% but they purchase new
products made
for the scale market? Doesn't this help the scalers? I think we
are in
this
together. No I am not including the pure AF collectors or pure AF
operators.
They truly do not belong on the S Scale forum. But a universal
track system
could benefit the Scalers, even if this is not what the current
scalers
want,
assuming they want the scale side to grow in numbers and products.
-
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{S-Scale List} Tom's proposal (turnouts)
On Tue, 29 May 2007 15:29:45 -0700, Roger Nulton wrote Michael, you may be overlooking many who had Flyer as a kid (or still have it) and now have the time to play with trains again. We want them to be able to buy scale stuff as well, to increase the market for stuff we want produced. Roger Nulton I still have all my old Flyer from the 1950's. Interestingly, I am finally considering getting rid of it. I like the look of code 83 and code 70 and the scale P64 wheelsets versus Flyer and ne'er the two shall meet. S scale has become what I dreamed my Flyer could have been when I was a teen. I think that I am finally moving on, but then again that operating observation car was really cool...yet annoyingly noisy! cheers, Andy Malette www.mlwservices.ca Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List}
Group, I am not the moderator of this group, nor do I intend to arrogate his authority to myself. I do wonder, however, whether we have for the next six months or so not exhausted the discussion of hi-rail vs scale, Flyer and scale, ad infinitum. I am trying to get my layout totally wired. When it is, I will know whether my trains can run through the Shinohara #6 and #8 turnouts as well as a few Old Pullman turnouts. That will be work enough for me without worrying about dual-service turnouts. Are we going to discuss modeling? If someone out there wants to, I have a question: I have an undecorated SHS single-sheathed USRA box car. After reading Ted Culotta's article in RMC about USRA single=-sheathed cars, I wonder whether anyone has tried taking a PRS Viking roof, cutting out the SHS roof, and inserting the PRS Viking roof as the DH did in the Thirties with some of their USRA single-sheathed cars. It would be fun to exchange techniques or thoughts on this matter if anyone wants to try. Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: List running amok......
Ed, I agree that all this High-rail talk is a bit disconcerting, BUT the issue of manufactuing a trunout that meets scale requirements as well as high rail layouts is critical to the future of RTR S SCALE as well as high-rail. I am now of the opinion that it can't be done--too many compromises resulting in a switch that is unreliable in both modes--unless one is willing to live with a closed frog (and there are prototype closed frogs!). I am about to post this, and it will likely be my last word on the subject. After a few more days of this, I do believe we will ask it to go off list, after everyone has had an opportunity to check in on it. At some point in the future, I would expect a final report to the list from those who continue the research OFF LIST. Meantime, lean back, have a nice sip of your favorite beverage--take a trip on a steamboat if you can afford it--it really changes your perspective of the world! S' David Dewey Just back from a week on the Delta Queen. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} An Engineering Approach to Turnout Evaluation
All The thread about turnouts has been most interesting, even if somewhat out of place. This is, after all, an S scale e-list. I would like to think that the hirailers on this e-list would like to learn from us scalers, and not necessarily the other way around. That said, I would like to put the universal turnout issue to rest with a purely technical discussion. The determining factors as to whether a particular set of wheels will perform properly on a given turnout (scale or otherwise) are as follows: 1. The track gauge (distance between running rails) throughout the turnout must be compatible with the wheel gauge (distance between particular points on opposite wheels, measured from the point where the flat wheel tread joins the fillet [curve] that fairs into the flange). 2. The check gauge (distance between the outside faces of the frog wing rails and the guard rails) must be compatible with the back-to-back dimension between the wheels. The NASG has standards which, if followed, assure both of these conditions for scale track and wheelsets. The NMRA has analogous standards for hirail track and wheelsets. These standards have both a maximum and a minimum dimension. This is because its much more practical to require a dimension to be within set limits that to be an exact number. With this in mind, the interpretation of the two requirements above is as follows: 1. The maximum track gauge must be such that a wheelset with minimum wheel gauge will not fall between the rails. The minimum track gauge must be such a wheelset with maximum wheel gauge will not ride up and over a running rail. 2. The maximum track check gauge must accommodate the minimum wheel back-to-back distance; otherwise the wheelset will bind (get hung up) when traveling through the guard rail. The minimum check gauge must be sufficiently large to prevent a flange on a wheelset with the maximum back-to-back measurement from picking the frog point. Factor #1 is of course required for all trackwork, including ordinary straight and curved track. Factor #2 is required to ensure that the guard rails opposite the turnout frog do their job: pulling the wheelset close enough to the outer running rail such that the flange that travels through the frog keeps going on the correct branch of the turnout. For scale trackage, these factors are necessary and sufficient. It doesnt matter whether the wheels are code 115, code 110, or code 88 (.115, .110, or .088). What does matter is the back-to-back measurement between the wheels in a wheelset and the thickness of the wheel flanges. In other words, for scale trackage and rolling stock, reliable tracking requires conformance to the standard measurements. It is sufficient to check for these measurements. Exhaustive train-running testing is not required. (Of course there are other considerations, but they are not related to dimensions. One is car weight; another and very important one is that all the wheels on a piece of rolling stock must always rest properly on the rails. This latter property is violated if a long-wheelbase truck is rigid instead of equalized, or if it is sprung with too-stiff springs, or if neither truck on a car can rock laterally.) We all know that flange thicknesses of scale vs. hirail wheelsets are quite different. Thats the reason you cant expect reliable operation of both kinds of wheelsets on any turnout that utilizes guard rails to prevent frog picking. A different turnout design is required. Two come to mind: One is the familiar pivoting frog/point assembly, similar to AF turnouts. Several manufacturers have made these over the years; operation of scale wheelsets on these turnouts can be problematic because of the gaps at the frog end. I think you can still get these on special order from BK. The other is the sectional turnout made by S Helper Service. SHS turnouts have conventional movable points as well as a separate movable frog point that provides a continuous gapless path through the frog, thus eliminating any possibility of frog-point picking. The current version of the SHS turnout has no guard rails; therefore both scale and all kinds of hirail wheelsets will perform properly on these turnouts. (Of course, there are other considerations primarily compatibility of turnout radius with both car length and truck or locomotive wheelbase.) I am open to the possibility that Tom Stoltz has invented yet another way of creating a universal turnout. Perhaps his frog insert design is sufficiently novel to do the job without guard rails as surely his guard rails will not by themselves prevent scale wheel flanges from picking a conventional frog point if they are spaced far enough from the running rails to admit hirail flanges. In closing, I want to address a couple of things that some of you have brought up. Dave asked if AF cars equipped with scale
Re: {S-Scale List} Brooks Stover was THIS LIST
Hi All: Just an observation from a very inactive bystander that has been into scale trains as well as hi-rail trains. I see them as two adjuncts of the same hobby, yet different enough to warrant a seperation of topic. Not a thing wrong with either approach, just that the two topics are different. In many cases, what is pertinent to one, is not the other, and vice versa. Now, as I understood past usage of the term hi-rail, it essentially means: Scale-sized models with oversized flanges, couplers, etc, operating on much oversized rail and non-prototypical track geometry. (i.e. ladder track spacings, sharp switch numbers resulting in abrupt crossovers, etc.) A hi-rail layout typically has a sincere approach to scenery and structures. (As opposed to oversized and caracaturized operating accessories, etc.) I understand scale to mean: Scale-sized cars with sincere sized flanges and sincere sized couplers operating on rails (2) that reflect prototype weights and track geometry practices as closely as practical, along with a sincere approach to the scenery and structures. A scale sized car with sincere sized flanges and sincere sized couplers operating on much oversized rail and highly compromised track geometry is somewhat a hybrid, not quite hi-rail by the above definition, but neither scale by the general definition of scale. I think this hybrid is where the dilemma arrises? That so, assuming all equipment operating on such a layout falls within the scale definition, then all that is left is the much oversized rail and track geometry. However, IMHO, that in itself is enough to make it visually appear hi-rail. The trackwork and track geometry is a VERY important part to the scale equation. The above strictly a FWIW deal. After all, narrow gauge is calling my name (again). Andre Ming King of The Rubber Gaugers Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: No subject...
Hi Thomas, Try the American Flyer list. Maybe they're having a discussion about scale. John Bell Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Turnouts, my thoughts a suggestion
Hi all, After thinking over this subject and noting all the variables between the scale community, the High-rail community, and the Vintage community (a new term needing some qualifiying, for now I will call it traditional AF (ACG made, or Flyionel direct remakes of ACG items)). I now suspect that it is impossible to manufacture a turnout that will run RELIABLY all the variations, unless one is willing to live with closed frogs. Now there is a prototype closed frog, so it can be argued to be prototypical. The ones I've dealt with are a bit different from what we model, in that the frog is only closed in one position, and is sprung open for the deviating direction by the wheel flanges. These were primarly designed for high speed operation track with sidings. It seems that the wide variety of flange depth and width, sliding contact variations and gauging are just to diverse to succeed with an open frog. You might be able to create one that works most of the time, or even reliably with two different wheel standards, but not all 4 (at least, might be more) variables. Now for my suggestion (moderator mode, sorry y'all), Those who want to look into this further create a space off-list for this discussion. Maybe a temporary space, and once the data is analyized and some reasonable conclusions have been made, post both This List and the S-trains list with your results. All this AF/High rail talk has the rivet counters sweating!! :) Humor intended here!!! Life is too short to not laugh at it. I would create the space, but I'm not savy enough to do it--and I'm on 19K dial up--no youtube for me--UGH! No spell check either, hope this post isn't too ragged. S' David D. Run 'em if ya got 'em! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: List running amok......
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, David Dewey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that all this High-rail talk is a bit disconcerting, -snip- Meantime, lean back, have a nice sip of your favorite beverage--take a trip on a steamboat -snip- David Dewey Dave...I guess we can agree to disagree. I think the List has been hijacked, used abused, far beyond the occasional step over the line. Worst than that, the Moderators have gone on vacation. Not even paying attention. Probably don't care. Not sure a boat ride will fix that. Cheers...Ed L. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Brooks Stover was THIS LIST
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Andre Ming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The above strictly a FWIW deal. After all, narrow gauge is calling my name (again). Andre Ming King of The Rubber Gaugers Hi Andre, Rubber gauging has it's charms. I'm working on an N scale (no i'm not leaving S scale, just a diversion, I've also got an American models hopper on my workbench that I'm cutting down into a cement car as well as a half assembled PRS centerflow) version of the SP Santa Cruz yard right now that needs no compression, I just took the prototype track plan and converted it to N size. The whole 1/2 mile long yard is only 16.5 feet long.And I'll be damned if there wasn't actually N gauge highrail in the beginning, guess the large flange is a universal curse...dave Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} NASG convention
Does anyone know if there is conveient transport from BWI to the NASG convention hotel, such as a courtesy van? Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} this weekend, this list and the free world as we know it
Hi Guys, What did you make this weekend? Well I finished scratchbuilding the fuel tank for my 1 of a kind PRSL Baldwin AS16, and started the end handrail stanchions/Baldwin Air MU stands. http://www.lanestrains.com/fuel_tank.jpg Judging from the fact that the digests have been extruded at a 13 month record clip, some of you made email and LOTS of it. Push the keyboard away, and go build something in whatever flavor of S you worship. What is left of the free world will probably still be free tomorrow. The sky and not fallen yet - I just looked again. Statements that the moderators (ME for 1) don’t care (not true at all!) or are on vacation (also not true - I was modeling! Isn't that what we are supposed to do here? ) should have some bearing of fact. I can't completely speak for the other moderators, but I am sure they BOTH care a lot about the group. Life gets in the way sometimes of having a good time or breaking up a schoolyard fight. Further, there is plenty of room on the moderator's bench and in the penalty box. I don’t see anyone volunteering or wanting either of them. I see this list as having an ongoing conversation with 500 of my closest friends. As with any polite company, sex and politics have no place here. Most S related (and some other topics) are generally fair game here. But you have all driven yourselves into a hang the moderators fit here. It's not my fault. I was modeling. You did all this yourself. Finally not that I am advocating a split here, but there already IS another S Scale list here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sscalemodelrailroading It states Promotion Of Fine S Scale Model Railroading. I run that one all by myself. Want to join? I am the gate keeper, moderator and hanging judge all in one almost little package. Jump in kids the water is fine Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE (for now) http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL See my Altoona train videos here http://www.myspace.com/billlane No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.1/822 - Release Date: 5/28/2007 11:40 AM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Re: No subject...
Actually, those folks discuss scale issues with frequency.
Roy Inman
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 02:51:26 +
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Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: No subject...
Hi Thomas,
Try the American Flyer list. Maybe they're having a discussion about
scale.
John Bell
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{S-Scale List} Re: List Run Amok and No subject
About 8 hours ago I posted a quote from RMC about S fracturing in 1946 over hi-rail and scale. Come back from work and fracturing is running amok.(:) Since Ed quoted me, wanted to say as a purely scaler(never owned AF in my life) I know I'd be in trouble if it weren't for hi-railers buying enough to carry me. And I throughly believe it's your money. I was just curious how many of us use Code 100 or 88 wheel and track standards? Just how big is the market? Not how better, just how big? Since, according to Wills, we fractured 51 years ago, it's unlikely we will all be hi-rail or scale in our lifetimes. No subject. I suspect the DH car is too early for my 1958 time period. I do have a couple of the DS cars. I'd be concerned aboujt the width of the two roofs. One is the THB (former NYC cars, Ed.) I've done in boxcar red. One I hope to convert to a ACL watermelon car. (Still around in 1958.) The COG watermelon cars were gone in 1956 if I understand correctly. Sorry, Jim. The COG rebuilt pulpwood gons would be great. I am curious if anyone has replaced the ends on the SHS rebuilt boxcars. I'd like to do a CWC but can't find a picture of the ends. Don't know if they are 5/5/s or 4/3/4's or flat, riveted ends. Or something else. However the question of disasembling a SHS car of any ilk would be interesting as to technique. What glue to they use? George Courtney Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Tom, I will clear up your bafflement, at least in my case: I buy equipment
that is more scale like because that's what I like. And if it is the only
example I can find, and it happens to have scale wheelsets, I buy it anyway
and change them out.
A perfect case in point is the gorgeous set of AM UP passenger cars made
some years back and sold to me by Jack Riley. I had been trying for a couple
of years to find them, and of course they came with scale wheels. It is
difficult to describe how beautiful they are running behind my UP Greyhound
Northern. Mercy!
I don't know if that actually happened back when, but it sure does happen
today. I have photos to prove it.
When buying anew, and if I have a choice, sure I buy with hi-rail wheels.
I guess the ONLY thing that differentiates my brand of modeling, such as it
is, from some others on this list is that I run hi-rail wheels.
I love building structures, love creating scenery, albeit I am not always
very good at it, love the look of well-ballested track with prototypical
ties, and of course insist on as much detail as possible in my engines and
rolling stock.
I do hope that I won't be thrown off the list because of my hi-scale
leanings. Darn near every day I find something here of interest.
If it is a problem I can just lurk...
Roy Inman,
Keeping his fingers crossed in Lenexa
From: Tom Hawley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:13:40 -0400
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} THIS LIST
Why people who
want to retain and operate their AF equipment, but who buy SHS, AM c with
scale wheels, is a bafflement.
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{S-Scale List} S scale on the LN Yahoo list
Just back from the LN Yahoo list. They had a poll on what scale people we're modeling in. HO-52% N -21% O -7% S -6% G -4% Besides me, I suspect Earl Henry. Who are the others? Also, a question was posted. Curious about S scale. Are you guys scale, hi-rail or AF? Boy is that list about to run amok or what? (8}. George Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} S scale on the LN Yahoo list
Put me down as purely scale -- S/Sn3. I have always liked the size, even when I had Lionel and the kids across the street had AF. The S portion of the West Bay club in Menlo Park, CA cinched it years and years ago. Still, I had several nice sets of old AF go through my store, and I was hard pressed NOT to take at least one of them home... Have fun! Bill Winans Curious about S scale. Are you guys scale, hi-rail or AF? George Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Stick around -- this is too much fun! Bill Winans I do hope that I won't be thrown off the list because of my hi-scale leanings. Darn near every day I find something here of interest. If it is a problem I can just lurk... Roy Inman, Keeping his fingers crossed in Lenexa Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
