{S-Scale List} hi
check it out http://bit.ly/VuVkTF Alan
{S-Scale List} Train Turntable
Jim, YES! The train turntable. I forgot about that. Pretty ingenious . I have never seen anything close to a train turntable for a S-Mod set up. If you had a train turntable at each end of the point to point it would greatly help out with keeping your sanity intact. I would have to make a train turntable 10 feet long to turn my trains - ¼ at a time! (:-) Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com/ http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progess at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com/ http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com/ http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
Re: {S-Scale List} Free Mo S
Dear Earl, The CJSS did not have any loops at the end, just yards, passenger stations or one time a barge (Vic Roseman's module) at the terminus. The first time we set up as a point to point, we used three 90˚ corners and the final module layout looked like a very large set of steps. Once the attendees started to show up, they filled around the front of the layout and operators at the ends could not see each other. They made up trains and sent them out, once they cleared the curve, you could not see the trains. This was different than our usual loops. We used radios with headsets to communicate. At a different venue was the next time for a non-loop layout. We added the dreaded Y module to the mix so we had three terminals. With the Y, the setup took a bit longer than anticipated so the show started and we were not ready for the point to point to point to be fully operational. That is when show management stopped by and told us no more non-loop layouts. We were running within an hour of when the doors open, but the management never came back to see what we could do. We were not invited back. To be fair, we rarely went to shows that we were not reimbursed for our expenses. We had to rent a truck to move the modules, etc... So if they paid us Don Thompson On Jan 29, 2013, at 11:48 PM, tennsga...@aol.com wrote: But the disadvantage is that it the two or more loops at the ends require a lot more modules. A big club like Bill's CJSS could do it if they chose to, but smaller clubs would have a harder time. - Earl Henry, Nashville
{S-Scale List} Re: Train Turntable
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bill Lane wrote: YES! The train turntable. I forgot about that. Pretty ingenious . I have never seen anything close to a train turntable for a S-Mod set up. Bill Lane Bill: Maybe it was before your time but I recall having a turntable module in the S-Mod set up at the joint NASG-NMRA convention in Pittsburgh (1990). I believe the owner/builder was Gary Chudzinski. I wish I still had the drawing of the set up, maybe Don Thompson or Don DeWitt still has one and can post. It was large with a loop and two or three stub end branches. There were modules from all over the country including Doug Miller's Rotary Coal Dumper. Not something you can do often but it certainly made a splash then. I am really happy modules continue to be used and make positive news for S - congratulations. Wish I could have been there to see them, Dan has alreaddy beat me up for not coming! Jim Kindraka Plymouth, WI Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Free Mo S
Since we run our Free Mo Sn2 Crew layout with return loops, I feel qualified to respond to this statement. We used to run a continuous loop but it was always difficult to insure we had the right number and size of modules for each show. Even though we were running Free Mo we did not have much freedom in the layout configuration. That is why I decided to make the return loop modules. I made a Y module, two 60 degree curves and two 90 degree curves for each end. I also committed to buying a small trailer to carry my modules. What a difference the return loops made when running at shows. We run DCC so it was easy to use auto-reversers to control the Y turnouts. We could easily run one train continuously at a reasonable speed of about 30 scale mph. Once we installed computer control it was easy to keep up to 4 trains running on the layout. Typically 2 trains would always be running and 2 would be waiting for a clear block. One engineer could monitor the whole layout easily since it was the computer insuring that the trains would not get into trouble. Prior to installing the return loops it was so easy to start talking to someone and lose track of your train. After return loops we were free to move around and talk to the audience without concern for train collisions. Don't think that because we run Sn2 that this would not be practical for standard gauge. In Sn2 out locos are Forneys which have a long frame. My return loops are 36 radius but it wouldn't take modules much bigger to have a radius up to 48 if you wanted. One other point is that typically we have only 1 to 3 Crew members supporting our layout at shows. Frank Knight --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: But the disadvantage is that it the two or more loops at the ends require a lot more modules. A big club like Bill's CJSS could do it if they chose to, but smaller clubs would have a harder time. - Earl Henry, Nashville Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Alan Lambert, you have been hacked, sir. Dave Engle
{S-Scale List} Train Turntable
Jim, While the memories are a bit foggy now I was at Pittsburgh. The diagram is here. http://users.bergen.org/dondew/CJSS/1990NASGNMRAConvLayout.html The S Scale Workshop of Canada uses a turntable to spin a complete train which to me is a brilliant alternative to a loop set up or dealing return loops. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com/ http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progess at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com/ http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com/ http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
Re: {S-Scale List} Free Mo S
From: Alan Lambert
Fort Worth, Texas
Frank,
One way around the return loop, is for the club to have 4 dedicated corner
modules available. Then at shows where you have minimum space you can still
have a loop layout. For example, My brothers N scale club has 4 dedicated
members with corner moduales. Plus they have one extra for back up. The one
problem is the four corner modules owners need to have their modules available
for shows. My brother has had to do that one time even though he could not
attend the show on Sat. but was there on Sunday. Just my thoughts.
Alan Lambert
From: Frank J Knight frank@fjknight.us
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Free Mo S
Since we run our Free Mo Sn2 Crew layout with return loops, I feel
qualified to respond to this statement. We used to run a continuous loop
but it was always difficult to insure we had the right number and size
of modules for each show. Even though we were running Free Mo we did not
have much freedom in the layout configuration. That is why I decided to
make the return loop modules. I made a Y module, two 60 degree curves
and two 90 degree curves for each end. I also committed to buying a
small trailer to carry my modules.
What a difference the return loops made when running at shows. We run
DCC so it was easy to use auto-reversers to control the Y turnouts. We
could easily run one train continuously at a reasonable speed of about
30 scale mph. Once we installed computer control it was easy to keep up
to 4 trains running on the layout. Typically 2 trains would always be
running and 2 would be waiting for a clear block. One engineer could
monitor the whole layout easily since it was the computer insuring that
the trains would not get into trouble.
Prior to installing the return loops it was so easy to start talking to
someone and lose track of your train. After return loops we were free to
move around and talk to the audience without concern for train
collisions.
Don't think that because we run Sn2 that this would not be practical for
standard gauge. In Sn2 out locos are Forneys which have a long frame. My
return loops are 36 radius but it wouldn't take modules much bigger to
have a radius up to 48 if you wanted.
One other point is that typically we have only 1 to 3 Crew members
supporting our layout at shows.
Frank Knight
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote:
But the disadvantage is that it the two or more loops at the ends
require
a lot more modules. A big club like Bill's CJSS could do it if they
chose
to, but smaller clubs would have a harder time.
- Earl Henry, Nashville
Re: {S-Scale List} Free Mo S
SHABBONA RR is a point-to-point system. Since I still don't have the Mt. Zion dispatcher panel installed, main line trains are dispatched from MJ Tower. This works so well that I am tempted to pull out all intermediate stations. I can still see trains as they travel over the main line. At last Spring's open house, held in conjunction with the Santa Fe Historical Society Mini-meet, I recruited a local modeler to prepare trains for an outbound trip. this worked well, because I could then focus on Mooar Yard and JW Tower. Trains were made up before hand, except for changing cabooses and head end power. Locomotives on inbound trains head for the service pit, then a yard engine adds a new waycar on the inbound end of the train, then goes to the opposite end and retrieves the inbound waycar and puts it away. Then the yard engine goes to the opposite end of the waycar track and ties onto the first-out waycar. It is now ready to service the next inbound train. For the open house, I kept a made-up train with power added and ready to go. This way, I could yard the train from Termminal District and start the outbound trip without a lot of switching. It worked well, there was no downtime between trains. Outbound trains at Mooar were controlled by the Terminal District Yardmaster, while I handled the line-ups at JW Tower. Passenger trains were a different story - the locomotive on inbound trains cuts off and goes to the service area to turn on the turntable. Meanwhile, the yard engine comes in against the rear of the train and switches out cars that must also be turned. When the road engine is turned, it pulls up into the South Main pocket so the yard engine can shove through the coach yard to reach the turntable and turn the single-ended cars. Once that is accomplished, the yard engine pulls the turned cars back through the coach yard and makes up the outbound passenger train. Then the road engine proceeds down the South Main to the coach yard and ties into the new outbound train and waits until time for its reappearance. At the Keokuk end, passenger trains pull into the KUD stub. When time for it to leave, it backs out of the stub and around the wye at Mooar Yard to turn, then pulls up to JW Tower to wait for the inbound passenger train the clear JW Tower, after which it proceeds to Terminal District. As with the freight trains, traffic moving towards Terminal District is controlled by the Terminal District yardmaster. If there was anything I would change, it would be to put a reverse loop beyond Terminal District so trains could pull through the yard, run around the reverse loop, re-enter Terminal District and park until time for their next appearance. Time and space constraints dictate that is not about to happen, so I am satisfied with what I have. It works well, even for lone wolf operations. boB Nicholson __ --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson wrote: Dear Earl, The CJSS did not have any loops at the end, just yards, passenger stations or one time a barge (Vic Roseman's module) at the terminus. The first time we set up as a point to point, we used three 90Ë corners and the final module layout looked like a very large set of steps. Once the attendees started to show up, they filled around the front of the layout and operators at the ends could not see each other. They made up trains and sent them out, once they cleared the curve, you could not see the trains. This was different than our usual loops. We used radios with headsets to communicate. At a different venue was the next time for a non-loop layout. We added the dreaded Y module to the mix so we had three terminals. With the Y, the setup took a bit longer than anticipated so the show started and we were not ready for the point to point to point to be fully operational. That is when show management stopped by and told us no more non-loop layouts. We were running within an hour of when the doors open, but the management never came back to see what we could do. We were not invited back. To be fair, we rarely went to shows that we were not reimbursed for our expenses. We had to rent a truck to move the modules, etc... So if they paid us Don Thompson On Jan 29, 2013, at 11:48 PM, Tennsgauge@... wrote: But the disadvantage is that it the two or more loops at the ends require a lot more modules. A big club like Bill's CJSS could do it if they chose to, but smaller clubs would have a harder time. - Earl Henry, Nashville Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email:
Re: {S-Scale List} Arch Bar Trucks (and Iron Rail Models)
Trevor, I'm donning my nomex flame suit as I type this reply -- but you asked. If you are willing to take a few minutes to regauge them, the Bachmann On30 archbar trucks _/*may*/_ be an option. Here is a shot of the original style Bachmann On30 archbars beside the vintage Ace 1:64 archbars: http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album156/on30_archbars_with_ACE_s_scale_archbars_bal Bachmann has several styles of archbars currently available; the other styles may be found on their On30 skeleton log cars and the new series of 18 foot long On30 cars. I'm not sure if these styles are available separately, yet. Here are 2 shots of the final regauging with SHS wheelsets: http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album156/DCP_5006_crpd http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album156/DCP_5007_crpd Don Munsey, Jr 1:64n42 and 1:24n42 river logging fan Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana, USA fmg On 1/29/2013 9:10 AM, tpm1ca wrote: Hi everyone: I was talking to someone about S scale arch bar trucks yesterday. I have some from Iron Rail Models but I note that their web site (http://www.ironrailmodels.com) expired in August. So, a couple of questions... 1 - I assume this means Iron Rail Models is no longer in business? Just checking. 2 - What other sources, if any, exist for S scale arch bar trucks? Thanks in advance! - Trevor --- Trevor Marshall Port Rowan in 1:64 I model a steam-era Canadian National branch line terminal in S scale, and blog about it here: http://themodelrailwayshow.com/cn1950s The Model Railway Show Listen in as two recovering radio newscasters host a podcast about the hobby: http://www.themodelrailwayshow.com
Re: {S-Scale List} Free Mo S
First let me say how impressed I was with the Sn2 Crew's set up, and they're
great guys also. Their tiny, tippy trains ran like champs, and their reverse
loops operated flawlessly. I agree with the operational viability of both
reverse loops and 4-corner set ups, but our small group is pretty well
stretched to the limit with what we can now carry, as well as store at home: so
it looks for the foreseeable future we'll stick with our two train turntables.
We do have a second in case have to travel light and leave my Port Dover
terminal at home. In retrospect, I wish I had made them each another foot
longer, but it's too late in the game now. There have been a few shows where
only one of us attended, using a single module with the train turntables at
each end, and it worked pretty well. This allows as to still spread the S word
with a minimum of manpower. This is what group member John Johnston plans to
do for a local train show in March.
Jim Martin
From: Frank J Knight frank@fjknight.us
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 8:46:33 AM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Free Mo S
Since we run our Free Mo Sn2 Crew layout with return loops, I feel
qualified to respond to this statement. We used to run a continuous loop
but it was always difficult to insure we had the right number and size
of modules for each show. Even though we were running Free Mo we did not
have much freedom in the layout configuration. That is why I decided to
make the return loop modules. I made a Y module, two 60 degree curves
and two 90 degree curves for each end. I also committed to buying a
small trailer to carry my modules.
What a difference the return loops made when running at shows. We run
DCC so it was easy to use auto-reversers to control the Y turnouts. We
could easily run one train continuously at a reasonable speed of about
30 scale mph. Once we installed computer control it was easy to keep up
to 4 trains running on the layout. Typically 2 trains would always be
running and 2 would be waiting for a clear block. One engineer could
monitor the whole layout easily since it was the computer insuring that
the trains would not get into trouble.
Prior to installing the return loops it was so easy to start talking to
someone and lose track of your train. After return loops we were free to
move around and talk to the audience without concern for train
collisions.
Don't think that because we run Sn2 that this would not be practical for
standard gauge. In Sn2 out locos are Forneys which have a long frame. My
return loops are 36 radius but it wouldn't take modules much bigger to
have a radius up to 48 if you wanted.
One other point is that typically we have only 1 to 3 Crew members
supporting our layout at shows.
Frank Knight
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote:
But the disadvantage is that it the two or more loops at the ends
require
a lot more modules. A big club like Bill's CJSS could do it if they
chose
to, but smaller clubs would have a harder time.
- Earl Henry, Nashville
Re: {S-Scale List} Train Turntable
Hi Bill.
You run some magnificent trains and their weight is a testament to the
strength of Kadees. You could have a train turn table. You'd simply have to
procure a 40 foot steel girder and a center post garage lift. lol
Jim Martin
From: Bill Lane b...@lanestrains.com
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 6:12:35 AM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Train Turntable
I would have to make a train turntable 10 feet long to turn my trains - ¼ at
a time! (:-)
{S-Scale List} Re: Free Mo S
Hi Bill: --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bill Lane wrote: Trevor, How close am I? Well, I'm guessing you're in Pennsylvania and I'm in Canada, so... (grin!) Free Mo S does not have any 90 degree turn modules, and has never set up in a circle to run trains around? Well, technically Free-mo (in S or other scales) COULD have 90 degree modules and be set up in a giant rectangle. But I've never seen it done. The theory with Free-mo is, you find a suitable place to model, and you do it. Here's an example from my HO scale Free-mo exhibition days. Pierre Oliver and I built a Free-mo-compliant module based on a small yard and industrial park in Peterborough, Ontario. (Peterboro on the CNR.) The module had 12 sections, including an optional sector plate so we could operate on it as a stand-alone layout. Overall, it was 50 linear feet of module. The main line was laid along a broad curve (about 120-FOOT radius). There were four peninsulas to hold spurs that diverged from the main - including one peninsula that grew out of another. We took this module to a show in the Toronto area, and hooked up with another Free-mo compliant module built by Rich Chrysler. In the photo at the following URL, Rich's module is the bare plywood arrangement along the upper edge of the picture. The set of what you see is ONE module. http://tinyurl.com/av65j7t I was at a CJSS S-Mod set up once where there was not a loop - just to be different. Picture an oval with 2 turn modules pointed outward instead of connecting to complete the oval. That's a lot like the operation on layouts composed of Free-mo modules. I've certainly never suggested that Free-mo S is any better or worse than S-Mod at doing one thing or another - it's just what it is. For the Workshop, it's a standard that works for the members and has never been put forward as something that should become an official standard for the S scale community. As I've noted previously, it's better to think of the Workshop as a group that is building a self-contained exhibition layout - but using a Free-mo-inspired standard to give the members of the group additional flexibility for set-up. It was quickly discovered how much attention needs to be given to keep trains running continuously on a true point to point set up. We were actually criticized by the show management for not running trains! Interestingly, we found that running a single switch job on Peterboro could keep a fairly big crowd entertained. In fact, people tended to stay longer and ask more questions when switching occurred at realistic speeds - kind of the same way that people at a party congregate in the kitchen, because that's where the food, drink and conversation is most lively. Here, Pierre fields questions from five or six show goers at once... http://tinyurl.com/amwd3k7 Besides the stunning scenery, if you kept trains running on a point to point for DAYS you deserved to win first place! To be honest, I was NOT at Springfield this year, so I don't deserve anything. But the members of the Workshop who WERE there definitely earned their prize. Thank You, Bill Lane Cheers! - Trevor --- Trevor Marshall Port Rowan in 1:64 I model a steam-era Canadian National branch line terminal in S scale, and blog about it here: http://themodelrailwayshow.com/cn1950s The Model Railway Show Listen in as two recovering radio newscasters host a podcast about the hobby: http://www.themodelrailwayshow.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} less wood
Down here in warm and sometimes humid Florida I have not had any shrinkage or expansion problems. I use steel for my equivalence of L girders. I have been using the C channels normally used with steel studs. These are the pieces normally used on the top and bottom of a steel stud wall.Steel studs themselves do not work from what I have seen.A ten foot channel was $7-$8 at my last purchase. I fasten the channel to the wall at every stud with the channel facing out. Once fastened the channel is very stiff. My benchwork is generally two feet wide around the walls. I cut four two foot long pieces from a kiln dried 8 foot stud. Good straight studs are usually cheaper than 1 x 4's. I pick 'em. At a corner I place a piece of 2 x 4 into the adjacent wall channel, and then every 4 feet down the wall. I screw these top and bottom at the walls. I then slip another piece of channel over the ends of the 2 x 4's open side facing the wall. This is parallel to the channel on the wall. The end of the channel slips into the adjacent channel and is screwed into the end of the cross piece against the wall. The others are screwed top and bottom. I do this myself by clamping a 2 x 4 to the channel as a leg to hold the end of the channel. The channel twists easily until it is fastened. For my 49 layout height, my legs are the kiln dried 2 x 4 studs cut in half with lag screws in the bottom for adjustment. I place a leg wide side against the channel every 4' at the crosswise 2 x 4's and screw through the leg and channel into the end of the 2 x 4. At this point things are getting very stiff. With no basement,storage is a major problem so I duplicate the framework about a foot off of the floor with cross pieces every 2 feet. A 2' by 4' piece of OSB (oriented strand board) is dropped in and screwed to the channels and cross pieces. You will end up with a 2' by 16' shelf per sheet. At this point everything is super stiff. I can stand on it with my 200++ pounds without it moving at all. Cross pieces for track risers can be slipped into the channel as with L girder anywhere between the legs that are four feet apart. For flat areas I use the OSB with cross pieces added every 2 feet or so. These are only screwed through the bottom of the channel so they can be shifted if necessary to clear switch machines. Peninsulas are built pretty much the same but require two people. The the benchwork is assembled on the floor and raised into place. The legs at the end of a peninsula are screwed into the floor and the structure becomes almost as strong as the rest. Storage below here as well. I have a disassembled South Bend lathe sitting on it. Fast,strong,versatile,storage,and pretty cheap compared to benchwork of furniture grade lumber but not as elegant. Like Simon Parent's. And stable. I can get on top anywhere. Fred Rouse Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} less wood
Down here in warm and sometimes humid Florida I have not had any shrinkage or expansion problems. I use steel for my equivalence of L girders. I have been using the C channels normally used with steel studs. These are the pieces normally used on the top and bottom of a steel stud wall.Steel studs themselves do not work from what I have seen. A ten foot channel was $7-$8 at my last purchase. I fasten the channel to the wall at every stud with the channel facing out. Once fastened the channel is very stiff. My benchwork is generally two feet wide around the walls. I cut four two foot long pieces from a kiln dried 8 foot stud. Good straight studs are usually cheaper than 1 x 4's. I pick 'em. At a corner I place a piece of 2 x 4 into the adjacent wall channel, and then every 4 feet down the wall. I screw these top and bottom at the walls. I then slip another piece of channel over the ends of the 2 x 4's open side facing the wall. This is parallel to the channel on the wall. The end of the channel slips into the adjacent channel and is screwed into the end of the cross piece against the wall. The others are screwed top and bottom. I do this myself by clamping a 2 x 4 to the channel as a leg to hold the end of the channel. The channel twists easily until it is fastened. For my 49 layout height, my legs are the kiln dried 2 x 4 studs cut in half with lag screws in the bottom for adjustment. I place a leg wide side against the channel every 4' at the crosswise 2 x 4's and screw through the leg and channel into the end of the 2 x 4. At this point things are getting very stiff. With no basement,storage is a major problem so I duplicate the framework about a foot off of the floor with cross pieces every 2 feet. A 2' by 4' piece of OSB (oriented strand board) is dropped in and screwed to the channels and cross pieces. You will end up with a 2' by 16' shelf per sheet. At this point everything is super stiff. I can stand on it with my 200++ pounds without it moving at all. Cross pieces for track risers can be slipped into the channel as with L girder anywhere between the legs that are four feet apart. For flat areas I use the OSB with cross pieces added every 2 feet or so. These are only screwed through the bottom of the channel so they can be shifted if necessary to clear switch machines. Peninsulas are built pretty much the same but require two people. The the benchwork is assembled on the floor and raised into place. The legs at the end of a peninsula are screwed into the floor and the structure becomes almost as strong as the rest. Storage below here as well. I have a disassembled South Bend lathe sitting on it. Fast,strong,versatile,storage,and pretty cheap compared to benchwork of furniture grade lumber but not as elegant. Like Simon Parent's. And stable. I can get on top anywhere. Fred Rouse Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Sunset 3rd Rail considering S scale Erie S3/S4 Berkshire project
Sunset 3rd Rail is considering producing their upcoming O scale Erie S-3 and S-4 class 2-8-4 Berkshires in S scale Brass. If you are potentially interested in this project, I encourage you to contact Scott Mann at Sunset. Email Scott at sdm...@3rdrail.com or call 1-800-3RD-RAIL. These were some of the biggest baddest Berks to ride the rails. 70 drivers for high speed, but still over 90,000 lbs of T.E. with booster. Here is the link to his O scale Erie Berkshire page: http://www.3rdrail.com/reservation.html#ERIES4 The Baldwin Locomotive Works received an order for thirty-five Berkshires from the Erie in 1928. They were designated as Class S-3 and assigned road numbers 3350 through 3384. A final twenty Berks were ordered in 1928 and came from Lima in 1929. This group was designated as Class S-4 and carried road numbers 3385 through 3404. (www.steamlocomotive.com). The primary difference in these two classes are the road number and some tender details. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Free Mo S
Hi again Bill: --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, tpm1ca wrote: Hi Bill: --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bill Lane wrote: Trevor, How close am I? Well, I'm guessing you're in Pennsylvania and I'm in Canada, so... (grin!) WHOOPS! I stand corrected - I've been told you're in New Jersey! - Trevor --- Trevor Marshall Port Rowan in 1:64 I model a steam-era Canadian National branch line terminal in S scale, and blog about it here: http://themodelrailwayshow.com/cn1950s The Model Railway Show Listen in as two recovering radio newscasters host a podcast about the hobby: http://www.themodelrailwayshow.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Train Turntable
I remember Gary's roundhouse module fairly well-it was well done. I have someplace all the photography that I make for the NMRA, NASG and 3/16's S Scale Magazine including some made from the catwalk above the whole scene. Bob Werre PhotoTraxx --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com, Bill Lane wrote: YES! The train turntable. I forgot about that. Pretty ingenious I have never seen anything close to a train turntable for a S-Mod set up. Bill Lane Bill: Maybe it was before your time but I recall having a turntable module in the S-Mod set up at the joint NASG-NMRA convention in Pittsburgh (1990). I believe the owner/builder was Gary Chudzinski. I wish I still had the drawing of the set up, maybe Don Thompson or Don DeWitt still has one and can post. It was large with a loop and two or three stub end branches. There were modules from all over the country including Doug Miller's Rotary Coal Dumper. Not something you can do often but it certainly made a splash then. I am really happy modules continue to be used and make positive news for S - congratulations. Wish I could have been there to see them, Dan has alreaddy beat me up for not coming! Jim Kindraka Plymouth, WI
{S-Scale List} Re: Free Mo S
A number of years ago, when the Workshop first started, there was considerable discussion on this list of the differences. Chris Abbott looked over both specs, indicated they really accomplished about the same things. He even proposed a method that would allow an interface module to connect both standards. In truth, the S-Mod groups normally set up independently anyway. Each group has evolved some specific features which make integrating with other groups or individual modules difficult. At major conventions nobody assumes the role of coordinating modules that Don Thompson or Don DeWitt used to tackle. There is good reason for that fact, ask Don. The most recent effort to update the module specs (with it's own Yahoo group) spawned a couple of new modules but bogged down over a change from the old Cinch-Jones connectors (increasingly hard to find) to newer power pole connectors as well as over DCC standardization. The result is that the Workshop is no more or less inclusive than any of the S-Mod clubs. Pieter E. Roos Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Sunset 3rd Rail considering S scale Erie S3/S4 Berkshire project
My apologies for forgetting to sign my name as the poster of this thread. Regards, Jonathan Hatfield --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Jonnyspeed wrote: Sunset 3rd Rail is considering producing their upcoming O scale Erie S-3 and S-4 class 2-8-4 Berkshires in S scale Brass. If you are potentially interested in this project, I encourage you to contact Scott Mann at Sunset. Email Scott at Sdmann@... or call 1-800-3RD-RAIL. These were some of the biggest baddest Berks to ride the rails. 70 drivers for high speed, but still over 90,000 lbs of T.E. with booster. Here is the link to his O scale Erie Berkshire page: http://www.3rdrail.com/reservation.html#ERIES4 The Baldwin Locomotive Works received an order for thirty-five Berkshires from the Erie in 1928. They were designated as Class S-3 and assigned road numbers 3350 through 3384. A final twenty Berks were ordered in 1928 and came from Lima in 1929. This group was designated as Class S-4 and carried road numbers 3385 through 3404. (www.steamlocomotive.com). The primary difference in these two classes are the road number and some tender details. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
Hi, Once agin the question comes to me, what are the most used [favorite] turnouts in S Scale? Whose track is now the most used? Perhaps we can once again come up with a survey. Your responses will be most appreciated by me (and I'm sure many others.) Bill (Fraley) Jefferson Central Railroad
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
Tomalco
Fred Tolhurst
Maryville, TN
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From: Willam Fraley wjfra...@comcast.net
To: S-Scale S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Jan 30, 2013 11:44 am
Subject: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
Hi,
Once agin the question comes to me, what are the most used [favorite] turnouts
in S Scale?
Whose track is now the most used?
Perhaps we can once again come up with a survey.
Your responses will be m ost appreciated by me (and I'm sure many others.)
Bill (Fraley)
Jefferson Central Railroad
{S-Scale List} Re: Train Turntable
Jim and Bill, Thanks for the reminder and diagram of the 1990 NASG Convention layout! Almost forgot about it. The best modular layout at any S event that I can remember in nearly thirty years in Scale S! Don DeWitt and the group did an outstanding job of putting it all together. It must have been frustrating to change the drawing almost daily as some would cancel and others added as convention time approached. I recall getting frequent email updates. I also recall being approached by an interested buyer while carrying the turntable module into the hall. Gary Chudzinski Bill: Maybe it was before your time but I recall having a turntable module in the S-Mod set up at the joint NASG-NMRA convention in Pittsburgh (1990). I believe the owner/builder was Gary Chudzinski. I wish I still had the drawing of the set up, maybe Don Thompson or Don DeWitt still has one and can post. It was large with a loop and two or three stub end branches;. There were modules from all over the country including Doug Miller's Rotary Coal Dumper. Not something you can do often but it certainly made a splash then. I am really happy modules continue to be used and make positive news for S - congratulations. Wish I could have been there to see them, Dan has alreaddy beat me up for not coming! Jim Kindraka Plymouth, WI Jim, While the memories are a bit foggy now I was at Pittsburgh. The diagram is here. http://users.bergen.org/dondew/CJSS/1990NASGNMRAConvLayout.html The S Scale Workshop of Canada uses a turntable to spin a complete train which to me is a brilliant alternative to a loop set up or dealing return loops. Thank You, Bill Lane
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
Hi Bill -- I use Tomalco flex (all rail sizes, both S and Sn3) and Shinohara turnouts (#8 very slightly modified, #6 totally rebuilt).A large percentage of the trackwork is handlaid because it is dual gauge. Have fun! Bill Winans -- Hi, Once agin the question comes to me, what are the most used [favorite] turnouts in S Scale? Whose track is now the most used? Perhaps we can once again come up with a survey. Your responses will be most appreciated by me (and I'm sure many others.) Bill (Fraley) Jefferson Central Railroad
Re: {S-Scale List} Y 3 pickup
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bob Werre wrote: SNIP As to Ed's trackwork and the stalling situation, perhaps Ed can elaborate. I've seen Ed's layout in operation a few times, and always with excellent running qualities. Bob Werre PhotoTraxx == Bob: Ed will not be responding. As Pieter Roos stated in an earlier email he has been banned from the list. Ed did email me with a response to your question but I have misplaced the email. IIRC Ed said the dead spot is not the fault of the engine, rather it has something to do with the way two double slip switches are wired (actually not wired) in his yard. I think he said presently there are two spots that still need feeder wires. I should mention that this was the first time Ed operated the yard at an open house and except for glitch that stalled the Y3, it operated flawlessly. I will see if I can find the actual email response and post it here tonight. John Gibson sscale.org Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Membership was: Y 3 pickup
Just to be clear, Ed has been invited back. We await his decision to rejoin. Pieter E. Roos, Yahoo S Scale List Co-owner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Turnouts and track
I buy turnouts from a gentleman on Ebay who builds them from the Fast Tracks jigs. They are the best operating turnouts I have seen in any scale. I wouldn't hesitate to build them myself either. I am a big fan of Fast Tracks ( http://handlaidtrack.com ) Regards, Jonathan Hatfield --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Willam Fraley wrote: Hi, Once agin the question comes to me, what are the most used [favorite] turnouts in S Scale? Whose track is now the most used? Perhaps we can once again come up with a survey. Your responses will be most appreciated by me (and I'm sure many others.) Bill (Fraley) Jefferson Central Railroad Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
I use Tomalco flex and hand build my turnouts using the Fast Tracks fixtures.
They are very reliable with no wheel drop at the frog.
Jim Martin
From: Willam Fraley wjfra...@comcast.net
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Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:44:39 AM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
Hi,
Once agin the question comes to me, what are the most used [favorite] turnouts
in S Scale?
Whose track is now the most used?
Perhaps we can once again come up with a survey.
Your responses will be most appreciated by me (and I'm sure many others.)
Bill (Fraley)
Jefferson Central Railroad
{S-Scale List} hi
hey have a look http://bit.ly/XiRqcw Lon
{S-Scale List} Re: hi
Folks, Please be cautious. I'm not sure if the sender has been hacked or phished. This is the third site I've seen this email on and with different senders. My filters have warned me against the link. Respectfully, Kenny Palmer --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Lon Walker wrote: hey have a look (link clipped by K. Palmer) Lon Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: {S-Scale List} less wood
In my layout visits, I've seen many bench work solutions. Sometimes there have been cabinet work holding up the layout that is better than most of the furniture in our homes. The late Robert Sanders used square steel tubes for the framework to hold up his Sn3 layout. I posted in the LW folder, some pictures I took during an open house at the 2009 NNGC. The lower level shown in the one picture for a staging yard. The layout was located in a separate building. In my case, I keep reusing wood I've used before. My layout occupies a roughly 27'X32' basement and I purchased very little new framing wood. Most of it was also on my last large layout and some of it other uses before that. Forty and fifty year old lumber is usually well seasoned. Dave Heine Easton, PA http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/photos/album/931019305/pic/41171141/vi ew?picmode=mode=tnorder=ordinalstart=1count=20dir=asc http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/photos/album/931019305/pic/41171141/vi ew?picmode=mode=tnorder=ordinalstart=1count=20dir=asc Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
Regauged Atlas #6 Customline turnouts. There's an article out there in the stratosphere somewhere. boB Nicholson --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, scale S only wrote: Hi Bill -- I use Tomalco flex (all rail sizes, both S and Sn3) and Shinohara turnouts (#8 very slightly modified, #6 totally rebuilt).A large percentage of the trackwork is handlaid because it is dual gauge. Have fun! Bill Winans -- Hi, Once agin the question comes to me, what are the most used [favorite] turnouts in S Scale? Whose track is now the most used? Perhaps we can once again come up with a survey. Your responses will be most appreciated by me (and I'm sure many others.) Bill (Fraley) Jefferson Central Railroad Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
It's said that there are four stages to track in the life of a model
railroader:
1 - Sectional
2 - Flextrack
3 - Handlaid
4 - Flextrack
I'm in stage 3. Laid in place on wooden ties. Although I do use a Fast
Tracks PointForm tool to speed up filing points, I don't use their jigs.
Dave Heine
Easton, PA
From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Willam Fraley
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:45 AM
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
Hi,
Once agin the question comes to me, what are the most used [favorite]
turnouts in S Scale?
Whose track is now the most used?
Perhaps we can once again come up with a survey.
Your responses will be most appreciated by me (and I'm sure many others.)
Bill (Fraley)
Jefferson Central Railroad
{S-Scale List} MicroMark Items
A few days back there was discussion about the ladder with casters MicroMark sells. It is in the current catalog at $252.00. I am mainly posting to say that if you look around you can find the same items elsewhere for lots cheaper. I have seen them on eBay and Harbor Freight. MicroMark has some items made for them but it is worth the look. A friend has the ladder. He found it elsewhere a few years back for about $100.00 less than what MicroMark was selling it for at that time. It is nice because his layout is pretty high and he is vertically challenged! (:-) Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com/ http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progess at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com/ http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com/ http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
Very astute, Dave!
I'm in stage four.
Fred Tolhurst
Maryville, TN
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From: David Heine dave...@rcn.com
To: S-Scale S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Jan 30, 2013 1:25 pm
Subject: RE: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
It’s said that there are four stages to track in the life of a model railroader:
1 – Sectional
2 – Flextrack
3 – Handlaid
4 – Flextrack
I’m in stage 3. Laid in place on wooden ties. Although I do use a Fast Tracks
PointForm tool to speed up filing points, I don’t use their jigs.
/p
Dave Heine
Easton, PA
From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Willam Fraley
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:45 AM
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
Hi,
Once agin the question comes to me, what are the most used [favorite] turnouts
in S Scale?
Whose track is now the most used?
Perhaps we can once again come up with a survey.
Your responses will be most appreciated by me (and I'm sure many others.)
Bill (Fraley)
Jefferson Central Railroad
Re: {S-Scale List} Free Mo S
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson wrote: the setup took a bit longer than anticipated so the show started and we were not ready for the point to point to point to be fully operational. That is when show management stopped by and told us no more non-loop layouts. Funny thing is a layout being set up would attract the attention of modelers more than a loop running trains. I always enjoy watching a point to point line operate more than a parade of trains around a loop. If they want to entertain the toy train crowd then a loop makes sense otherwise freemo or other modular scheme is more likely to get modelers in other scales interested in S scaleDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} HACKING ON THE RISE
with the recent rash of hacking, across the broad spectrum of yahoo, it is time to review your security software, as well as changing your password, sometimes we get to lazy, and forget, THEY DON'T mel perry Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Turnouts and track
If anyone is interested... I did a video review of his turnout Here: http://youtu.be/nT8WGHYcnvU And you can see it on the layout here: http://youtu.be/QynzQ1HYXMA Regards, Jonathan Hatfield --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Jonnyspeed wrote: I buy turnouts from a gentleman on Ebay who builds them from the Fast Tracks jigs. They are the best operating turnouts I have seen in any scale. I wouldn't hesitate to build them myself either. I am a big fan of Fast Tracks ( http://handlaidtrack.com ) Regards, Jonathan Hatfield --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Willam Fraley wrote: Hi, Once agin the question comes to me, what are the most used [favorite] turnouts in S Scale? Whose track is now the most used? Perhaps we can once again come up with a survey. Your responses will be most appreciated by me (and I'm sure many others.) Bill (Fraley) Jefferson Central Railroad Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Good old days of CJSS S-MOD and NASG modular layouts (point to point and circles
http://users.bergen.org/dondew/CJSS/CJSS_SMODLayoutsIndex.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Turnouts and track
Nice video. Thanks! Bill Winans I did a video review of his turnout Here: http://youtu.be/nT8WGHYcnvU And you can see it on the layout here: http://youtu.be/QynzQ1HYXMA Regards, Jonathan Hatfield
{S-Scale List} Re: HACKING ON THE RISE
There's two ways to handle this; download Firefox or don't post anything anybody wants to read. I tend to subscribe to the latter. String Bob --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, clipper841@... wrote: with the recent rash of hacking, across the broad spectrum of yahoo, it is time to review your security software, as well as changing your password, sometimes we get to lazy, and forget, THEY DON'T mel perry Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Re: hi
Sorry. I have changed my password so I hope that takes care of it. I hope
it didn't mess anyone up too badly. Again sorry. Lon Walker
From: Ken Palmer kennypalme...@gmail.com
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 12:04 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: hi
Folks,
Please be cautious. I'm not sure if the sender has been hacked or phished.
This is the third site I've seen this email on and with different senders. My
filters have warned me against the link.
Respectfully,
Kenny Palmer
--- In mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com, Lon Walker wrote:
hey have a look (link clipped by K. Palmer)
Lon
{S-Scale List} Re: MicroMark Items
All: Amen to that but I bought one of the Micro Mark versions on sale a while back for a big discount and use it occasionally. There are drawbacks worth mentioning anyway so here goes. The feet stitck out in front of the ladder quite a ways so if you don't have free space under the layout about equal to the reach of the body pad plus six to eight inches you cannot get the ladder over your work. The unit folds up, but not really folds away, even folded up the unit takes up a good chunk of real estate -- say a rectangle 1 foot deep by 3 feet wide by four feet six inches high. Finally they are not instantaneous to unfold when folded away. Consequently, the good old kick library kick stool sees a lot more use and if I were to do it over I would probably invest in one of the fold-able ladders that fold in the middle and lean against the wall at the top. Cheers Chris Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
Bill,
My 100+ turnouts are a mixture of Old Pullman and BK kits, point and frog
castings, and a sprinkling of Whites and Shinoharas. Most of these have been
picked up at swap meets over the years at bargain prices. Where there have
been special situations, or where I just felt like it, I scratch built about
25. I purchased mostly Tomalco flextrack, but had some used Shinohara from
swap meets as well.
Roger Nulton
From: Willam Fraley
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 8:44 AM
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
Hi,
Once agin the question comes to me, what are the most used [favorite] turnouts
in S Scale?
Whose track is now the most used?
Perhaps we can once again come up with a survey.
Your responses will be most appreciated by me (and I'm sure many others.)
Bill (Fraley)
Jefferson Central Railroad
Re: {S-Scale List} Good old days of CJSS S-MOD and NASG modular layouts (point to point and circles
I have gotten custom decals from Stan Cedarleaf, as has Earl Henry.
Fred Tolhurst
Maryville, TN
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From: dondew228 dondew...@yahoo.com
To: S-Scale S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Jan 30, 2013 3:31 pm
Subject: {S-Scale List} Good old days of CJSS S-MOD and NASG modular layouts
(point to point and circles
http://users.bergen.org/dondew/CJSS/CJSS_SMODLayoutsIndex.html
Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Shrinking Wood [3 Attachments]
Charles,
Good advice if you don’t have a table saw and a helper. There are lots of
advantages to using plywood (the good stuff!) for framing: the main one is that
you can avoid pilot holes since the plywood doesn’t split. Even the cheap
stuff that I bought is much more stable than the dimensional lumber that I used
on previous layouts.
My benchwork is mostly a modified “L girder” system. There are very few legs
for visitors to kick, and I can scoot around underneath to do wiring, etc.
It’s strong enough that I can walk (or crawl) on top as well. Everything
stored underneath is in plastic tubs to keep it clean and dry if there’s a
flood.
Roger Nulton
From: Charles Weston
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 6:03 PM
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Shrinking Wood
I should add, smaller cabinet shops (like mine) should be happy to rip
plywood for a reasonable charge.
Charles Weston
--- On Tue, 1/29/13, Roger Nulton roger.nul...@comcast.net wrote:
From: Roger Nulton roger.nul...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Shrinking Wood
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 7:05 PM
Charles,
“Chinese birch” HA! Thanks for that info. When I was starting my
current layout, Home Depot had a “Special Purchase” of some nice looking 11 ply
birch veneered plywood for less than 20 bucks a sheet. Being the clever soul
that I am, I scarfed up 40 sheets of the stuff and ripped it into dimensional
lumber for the all the girders and joists, and also used it for all the yard
surfaces. Bullet proof framing to combat the humidity swings in my Northwest
basement. Right. My track has 1/8” gaps in several areas in the winter that
disappear in the summer when the furnace seldom runs. Fortunately, I only
soldered rail joiners on curves or where I had short sections of track, so the
problems are only cosmetic. And a new heat pump helped, but I am still
researching humidifiers.
Never had these issues in San Diego.
Roger Nulton
From: Charles Weston
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:31 PM
To: wlmailhtml:/mc/compose?to=S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Shrinking Wood
At my cabinet shop we sometimes use a multilayer product called
Chinese birch. But we only use it for nailers and toe boards because it goes
every which way when it comes off the saw--not very stable at all. For things
we want to stay nice and straight, such as layout frames, we use a paint grade
maple or birch veneer on a domestic (USA) core (usually fir), 3/4 inch thick.
It's around $40 a sheet here, and the big box stores don't have it. Places
that sell to cabinet shops do; it will be called D3 domestic maple, or
something similar. Also some places carry a South American pine plywood called
Arauco or somesuch, which a little better than the Chinese, but not nearly as
nice as the maple. I would steer clear of US southern yellow pine, however.
Charles Weston
--- On Sun, 1/27/13, Alan Lambert alanlamber...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Alan Lambert alanlamber...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Shrinking Wood
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 27, 2013, 10:46 PM
From: Alan Lambert
Fort Worth, Texas
John,
Makes me want to use plywood as a sub base and then use the 1
inch card board liners as my track base. Then I'll use Plaster cloth for all of
my scenery areas. I'm talking about the card board that you see in furniture
boxes used as side protection. That is all I have set under my track now. I
have had to shim under the track in some areas but it is holding up for my 4X 6
small layout.
Alan Lambert
From: John armstong5...@roadrunner.com
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Shrinking Wood
This wood discussion really shows how many modelers need a
shrink.
John Armstrong
- Original Message -
From: Pieter Roos
To: wlmailhtml:/mc/compose?to=S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Shrinking Wood
FWIW, A friend working in HO had a similar problem a
week or so ago. Much of the wood in his layout had been used in prior layout
construction. I suspect that the fairly rapid change from
{S-Scale List} Re: Turnouts and track
In the past I have used Shinohara flex and turnoouts. Next layout will be Shinohara flex and Fast Tracks turnouts. I also use S Trax for quick temporary layouts. Paul Tenney --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Willam Fraley wrote: Hi, Once agin the question comes to me, what are the most used [favorite] turnouts in S Scale? Whose track is now the most used? Perhaps we can once again come up with a survey. Your responses will be most appreciated by me (and I'm sure many others.) Bill (Fraley) Jefferson Central Railroad Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Turnouts and track
Bill, I use Tomalco flex track and Tomalco switches except for one Shinohara. If I had to make my own switches from scratch I'd leave the hobby. I post this not to get a bunch of responses about how wonderful building your own switches are, but just that in a survey not everyone is crazy about Fast Tracks or building turnouts. I don't smelt my own rail either, but once knew a modeler who did because he enjoyed it and owned a foundry. George Courtney --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Willam Fraley wrote: Hi, Once agin the question comes to me, what are the most used [favorite] turnouts in S Scale? Whose track is now the most used? Perhaps we can once again come up with a survey. Your responses will be most appreciated by me (and I'm sure many others.) Bill (Fraley) Jefferson Central Railroad Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Turnouts and track
Shinohora on the mainline and Old Pullmans in the yard. Rich G(ajnak) --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Willam Fraley wrote: Hi, Once agin the question comes to me, what are the most used [favorite] turnouts in S Scale? Whose track is now the most used? Perhaps we can once again come up with a survey. Your responses will be most appreciated by me (and I'm sure many others.) Bill (Fraley) Jefferson Central Railroad Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Train Turntable
You guys did a great job on that layout – it made quite an impression on me.
It was the first major convention that I attended and it convinced me that S
scale was alive and growing and that I should continue in it. I think Jim is
right: getting the scale out in front of the public is one of the best ways to
promote S.
Thanks, Roger Nulton
From: grchud
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 8:58 AM
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: Train Turntable
Jim and Bill,
Thanks for the reminder and diagram of the 1990 NASG Convention layout!
Almost forgot about it. The best modular layout at any S event that I can
remember in nearly thirty years in Scale S! Don DeWitt and the group did an
outstanding job of putting it all together. It must have been frustrating to
change the drawing almost daily as some would cancel and others added as
convention time approached. I recall getting frequent email updates. I also
recall being approached by an interested buyer while carrying the turntable
module into the hall.
Gary Chudzinski
Bill:
Maybe it was before your time but I recall having a turntable module in the
S-Mod set up at the joint NASG-NMRA convention in Pittsburgh (1990). I believe
the owner/builder was Gary Chudzinski.
I wish I still had the drawing of the set up, maybe Don Thompson or Don DeWitt
still has one and can post. It was large with a loop and two or three stub end
branches;. There were modules from all over the country including Doug
Miller's Rotary Coal Dumper. Not something you can do often but it certainly
made a splash then.
I am really happy modules continue to be used and make positive news for S -
congratulations. Wish I could have been there to see them, Dan has alreaddy
beat me up for not coming!
Jim Kindraka
Plymouth, WI
Jim,
While the memories are a bit foggy now I was at Pittsburgh. The diagram is
here. http://users.bergen.org/dondew/CJSS/1990NASGNMRAConvLayout.html
The S Scale Workshop of Canada uses a turntable to spin a complete train
which to me is a brilliant alternative to a loop set up or dealing return
loops.
Thank You,
Bill Lane
RE: {S-Scale List} Re: Turnouts and track
In support of George's point, many of us simply don't have the time. to make
our own switches. I'm generally happy with the Tomalco ones I have although the
rail likes to part company with the ties rather quickly. Liked the OP ones that
BTS used to sell.
cheers
Alex Binkley
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
From: g...@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 00:20:39 +
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: Turnouts and track
Bill,
I use Tomalco flex track and Tomalco switches except for one Shinohara. If I
had to make my own switches from scratch I'd leave the hobby. I post this not
to get a bunch of responses about how wonderful building your own switches
are, but just that in a survey not everyone is crazy about Fast Tracks or
building turnouts. I don't smelt my own rail either, but once knew a modeler
who did because he enjoyed it and owned a foundry.
George Courtney
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Willam Fraley wrote:
Hi,
Once agin the question comes to me, what are the most used [favorite]
turnouts in S Scale?
Whose track is now the most used?
Perhaps we can once again come up with a survey.
Your responses will be most appreciated by me (and I'm sure many others.)
Bill (Fraley)
Jefferson Central Railroad
Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: {S-Scale List} Re: MicroMark Items
Evidently there were several versions sold by Micro-Mart and they store
differently. I received one of the early ones as a gift. I went on a
layout tour and saw one that stored a lot nicer than mine. I called
Micro-Mart about it, thinking I might be doing something wrong, but they
informed me that it was then a different model and mine didn't fold up like
the one I saw. I don't use it that much right now and I actually took out
some bolts to make it fold up smaller.
Actually I heard that they are made for working on truck engines and
Micro-Mart adapted it.
Dave Heine
Easton, PA
-Original Message-
From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
JCRooney
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 5:07 PM
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: MicroMark Items
All:
Amen to that but I bought one of the Micro Mark versions on sale a while
back for a big discount and use it occasionally.
There are drawbacks worth mentioning anyway so here goes.
The feet stitck out in front of the ladder quite a ways so if you don't
have free space under the layout about equal to the reach of the body pad
plus six to eight inches you cannot get the ladder over your work. The unit
folds up, but not really folds away, even folded up the unit takes up a good
chunk of real estate -- say a rectangle 1 foot deep by 3 feet wide by four
feet six inches high. Finally they are not instantaneous to unfold when
folded away.
Consequently, the good old kick library kick stool sees a lot more use and
if I were to do it over I would probably invest in one of the fold-able
ladders that fold in the middle and lean against the wall at the top.
Cheers
Chris
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Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Turnouts and track
George--I smelt my rail one evening when the solder and flux got out of
hand--stunk to high heaven...
Fred Tolhurst
Maryville, TN
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From: gsc3 g...@yahoo.com
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Sent: Wed, Jan 30, 2013 7:20 pm
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: Turnouts and track
Bill,
I use Tomalco flex track and Tomalco switches except for one Shinohara. If I
had to make my own switches from scratch I'd leave the hobby. I post this not
to get a bunch of responses about how wonderful building your own switches are,
but just that in a survey not everyone is crazy about Fast Tracks or building
turnouts. I don't smelt my own rail either, but once knew a modeler who did
because he enjoyed it and owned a foundry.
George Courtney
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Willam Fraley wrote:
Hi,
Once agin the question comes to me, what are the most used [favorite]
turnouts in S Scale?
Whose track is now the most used?
Perhaps we can once again come up with a survey.
Your responses will be most appreciated by me (and I'm sure many others.)
Bill (Fraley)
Jefferson Central Railroad
{S-Scale List} Re: Turnouts and track
How's the foundry doing, Fred? Sometimes I realize others on the list might
not understand our hillbilly humor. Hope they realize it's presented in good
humor. (8-)
George Courtney
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, gftolhurst@... wrote:
George--I smelt my rail one evening when the solder and flux got out of
hand--stunk to high heaven...
Fred Tolhurst
Maryville, TN
-Original Message-
From: gsc3
To: S-Scale
Sent: Wed, Jan 30, 2013 7:20 pm
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: Turnouts and track
Bill,
I use Tomalco flex track and Tomalco switches except for one Shinohara. If I
had to make my own switches from scratch I'd leave the hobby. I post this
not to get a bunch of responses about how wonderful building your own
switches are, but just that in a survey not everyone is crazy about Fast
Tracks or building turnouts. I don't smelt my own rail either, but once knew
a modeler who did because he enjoyed it and owned a foundry.
George Courtney
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Willam Fraley wrote:
Hi,
Once agin the question comes to me, what are the most used [favorite]
turnouts in S Scale?
Whose track is now the most used?
Perhaps we can once again come up with a survey.
Your responses will be most appreciated by me (and I'm sure many others.)
Bill (Fraley)
Jefferson Central Railroad
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{S-Scale List} MRC decoders
I installed a 1624 which is a new 16 bit sound decoder. I am still playing with it a bit as it is not cataloged in JMRI yet. It did come right up and I can change the basics easily. It is the LED thing I am looking at. I don't want to calculate anything (whine-whine), I just want a one piece install to solve the problem (whine-whine) Ken Zieska Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
