{S-Scale List} Re: Savannah Prototype Modeler's Meet
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, shabbona_rr user141771@... wrote: Whose going to take the bull by the horns and tell Brooks Stover that his layout is just a toy and not a scale model? Hi Bob, It's not an either/or question. Brook's layout could be considered a very nice scale layout except for very over size track and wheels. It's very comparable to N scale code 80 layouts using the pizza cutter wheels, the only difference is the oversizeness of the track and wheels becomes more apparent in a larger scale. As nice as Brook's layout is I imagine it doesn't get the same positive response from scale modelers around the hobby as Nulton's layout using more to scale track and wheels does..DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Savannah Prototype Modeler's Meet
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Talmadge C 'TC' Carr group_list@... wrote: All those H0 layouts using code 100 rail and code 110 wheels. Are they not hi-rail??? They are more just out of date scale. HO has gravitated to code 83 nowdays instead of code 100. The difference is code 100 was just scale badly done, no one in HO was consciously trying to be highrail with their code 100 track, they were just using what was common at the time.Other than possibly some weird foreign stuff there is no HO highrail movement or interest.DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Scale role reversal
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bill Lane bill@... wrote: What if today S Scale was the winner as by far the most popular scale. Hi Bill,I'd be a much more happy S scale modeler as I wouldn't have wasted so much time trying to decide if S was worth all the hassle of low supply and searching toy train manufacturers catalogs for something useful. The only thing I'd be wanting then would be for TT scale to be the dominate small scale instead of N scaleDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: What is scale.....??
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Loizeaux@... wrote: For decades now, 'AF' meant Gilbert Flyer and 'scale' meant conforming to NMRA/NASG specs and 'hi-rail' meant everything in between frequently called S 'gauge'. Are these definitions now being tossed out the window in favor of something else? Hi Ed, I think the definitions are still the same, there's just some new modelers that don't understand them or don't seem interested in learning them. I see no reason to change the definitions when they are not broken. Lionel has used their unique version of scale since around 1930 but what Lionel calls their trains is irrelevant to most modelers. I've had to deal with Lionel in O scale for many years so I'm more interested in what they make than what they call it. If it looks promising I'll buy it then make it scale in the broader modeling sense no matter if Lionel called it scale or traditional or standard or whatever. MTH is about the same animal, they make premier stuff thats often good, Railking stuff that usually short but sometimes is actually scale dimensions. O three rail is just about the same function wise as S highrail, if it's proper size it just needs new wheels and couplers and maybe a few details to be scale enough :) DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: MTH scale wheels included?
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, shabbona_rr user141771@... wrote: Any guesses as to why? On30 looks pretty good and doesn't currently have a bunch of self-righteous malcontents chipping away at its supposed shortcomings, etc.. Just the obvious ones, it's cheap readily available, all scale wheels, no high rail anchor holding it back. The folks that complain about it only complain that Bachman didn't just make it common On3 scale instead of the less common On30 scale as the running on HO track was kind of a short sighted advantage when most users buy special On30 track anywaysDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: The BIG discussion
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, scale S only scalesonly@... wrote: but I am not sure having major suppliers will make that much difference in our current generation of young model railroaders. Hi-rail / AF and 3 rail O have the advantage of being able to fit into smaller spaces comparatively speaking as well as not requiring the finer modeling skills needed to make scale work well, and so are better suited to a lot more modelers. Hi Bill, Having major suppliers will increase the number of S modelers if these new suppliers can provide a broader range of equipment at lower prices. Guy will switch when it become logistically and economically feasible. HO is popular because there a ton of stuff out there at affordable prices. Almost all old HO is scale and usable on a contemporary scale layout with some simple upgrades to couplers and wheels, while a majority of old S stuff is flyer cars which are either totally useless to a scale modelers or need a lot of work to convert to scale use. Combine this with the spotty availability of scale trucks and other parts and it's easy to see why HO guys go with HO even if they would rather go with S scale. For instance if one wants 57 foot reefers in HO scale it's possible to build up a fleet of 20 or more PFE cars all with different numbers and paint schemes for about $5 per car, add metal finer tread wheels for about $2 per car and KD scale whisker couplers for about $1 per car and you're good to go. Contrast that with S scale where no one even built rtr plastic 57 foot reefers, the only option is the old wooden kit cars which are long out of production. Then people have the nerve to stand up and say S scale won't sell? Well nothing will sell if there is non of it to buy..DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: catalogs
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bill Lane bill@... wrote: I am giving Lionel the win by a nose for promoting scale S by clearly dividing traditional American Flyer and their new scale line. But their just out modern hopper has ALL very imagineered paint schemes on them leaving the modern modeler to paint a very brand new car. Yeah, If Lionel and MTH want to expand the S market they need to cut the American Flyer cord and just start making S scale models like the HO and N companies do. I remember seeing American Flyer stuff in the train shop when I was in HO and it was of no interest to me but then along came that SHS S scale covered hopper and the light bulb went on, this scale is perfect. Even AtlasO doesn't promote their stuff as Lionel trains they call it O. If MTH is wasting design and production time on operating accessories that don't bode well for S scale. Lionel bought American Flyer so them making some throw back stuff does make sense but MTH bought SHS not AF so them building American Flyer type stuff is a bad sign for future developments. American Flyer is a dead end street.The scale crowd is just gonna be forced to continue to by HO or O stuff until some S manufacturer figures this outDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Lionel Cylindrical Hoppers -- short vs. longer
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Loizeaux@... wrote: How about splicing two 3-bays together to make a 4-bay? Then finding the correct decals? Possible or impossible? Ed Loizeajux Hi Ed, Probably not worth the trouble since Kaslo make the correct Canadian grain car in kit form. The Lionel 3 bay car is similar length to the 4 bay cars, just has less outlets.I've seen cars the same length as the lionel car with 6 outlets so length is not the problem, it's just a different variation of the car type. I'd just use the lionel car as is in the canadian grain paint schemes and not worry about it as most folks wouldn't know it has one less outlet than the prototypeDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Those Canadien Guys
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Alex Binkley alex.binkley@... wrote: are their cars hard to unpaint?cheers I've done lionel O scale conversions by just getting a car with a basic paint job and removing the lettering and re-lettering. The lionel paint is pretty good for a base. If they offer a typical grey cylindrical hopper it should be easy to re-letterDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: S scale on Ebay
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Loizeaux@... wrote: I suspect that free eBay listings encourage a large number of listings. A small upfront fee would quickly eliminate them (opinion). Don't we want more listings? I don't think it's a too many listings issue I think it's a not familiar with how to search ebay issue? Someone who wants to build cardboard cars is probably pretty happy that they are there. .DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} AM S12 Repower Project - Cracked Axle Gears
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Matt nsrc119@... wrote: Dave, At this point, I'm considering dumping the entire mess on eBay and going back to HO or O scale...or wait to see what MTH and Lionel offer for an S scale switcher...or purchase a SHS loco via eBay...or take up another hobby. Most likely I'll send the wheelsets back to Ron at American Models. No sense torturing Dave at NWSL with this nonsense. Switching scale will not solve that problem, I've had plenty of cracked gears show up in O and HO scales over the years. NWSL is in the business to sell these things so they probably welcome the torture. And from my experience their plastic is superior to the stock stuff so the gears should last longer, plus their wheels are definitely better quality so it's worth switching the parts for the wheels alone...DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Auto rack cars started in?
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, aztecfan aztecfan@... wrote: What type of auto car do I need for 1955? Does any one know what RR served the Studebaker factory? Hi, looking at a map in the 2013 issue of MRP it appears the Studebaker plant in South Bend was served by the NJII or the Pennsy? As for kinds of auto cars used in 1955 I recall a photo of them unloading 55 or maybe 56 chrysler cars from double door boxcars in Brooklyn NY. I also recall some open auto cars that said Evans auto loader on the side, they were shorter than the typical auto racks, maybe 50 feet or so and held cars on the flatcar deck and one level up above.Probably late 50's or early 60's. Atheran once made HO models of themDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Reducing Slack in Kadee S Scale Couplers - see attached
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Charles Weston rotary-oy@... wrote: there was an older gentleman at church who was a conductor on the Mopac and held down a regular run between here and Corpus Christi. He was knocked down in the caboose due to slack action and broke his leg Yeah, When I was a kid I rode in SP cabooses and they were always telling me to watch out for slack action. So I don't mind the slack in KD's especially since I model the cushion draft gear era. I would like to see some extended draft gear boxes for them though as it's hard to offset them far enough out to look right on some modern cars..DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Battery Power Thoughts..........
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Peter Vanvliet groups@... wrote: a) I was tired of the stalling of the engines, and the subsequent cleaning-of-track chore. Are you sure it was a track problem and not a wheel problem? I never have problems with track but I have had locos with wheels that oxidized and caused them to stall, then the solution was just a new set of NWSL wheels..DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Growing S scale
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Martin skally@... wrote: When companies like M2 Machines can make a very high detailed 1/64th truck with semi trailer, i.e. 1950's Ford, Chevy Dodge (where they have to buy licensing) with variety of trailers, Box Van, Flat bed, Auto Rack etc., and sell at a RETAIL price of $15.99, the same can be done for 1/64th scale Model railroad rolling stock. That's an interesting point. Anyone know how many truck modelers there are compared to train modelers? I've never seen a truck layout so the number can't be that high. Sure seems like these guys could build a boxcar for about the same price as a tractor trailer rig? .DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: NW-2
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, shabbona_rr user141771@... wrote: Way too much technology stuffed in this thing to make it practical. Any advice, including purchase offers, is welcome Just find the motor power wires, find the truck power wires, tie the left side truck wires together and hook to one motor wire, do the same with the right side truck wires. If it runs backwards reverse the motor leads, glue a jewel into the headlight opening and be on your way to operating bliss. These things run well enough to be worth spending some time customizing them to one's needs..DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Growing S scale
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, gsc3 gsc3@... wrote: What's different in the world that those things couldn't keep S a major player then and that they will keep it a major player now? Varney was big in the 1950's and basically gone in the 1960's. But HO didn't die because it's former major supplier disappeared. Well for the first part I think what is different now is a lot of Boomers are downsizing their houses and won't be able to model in O scale yet they want something a bit larger than HO scale so S is the best option. Hint, Lionel and MTH both exploring the potential of S scale. As to why the loss of Varney didn't bother HO too much just look at Athearn,in the 50's Uncle Irv revolutionized the model train industry with cheap mass produced products.If Athearn had decided to go with S scale instead of HO scale we wouldn't be having this discussionDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Recruiting S folks......
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, richgajnak rustytraque@... wrote: I don't think complexity is so much an issue, kid today have grown up surrounded with various technologies, Yeah, My grandkids can grab new electronics and have them figured out in minutes. A friend had a new grand baby a while back and the first time I saw it the baby was in a baby carrier with a little stuffed toy and the next time I saw her the baby was sitting on the floor playing with an Ipad. I think as Ed mentioned that kids just don't get to see the same trains today that we saw in our day. They might see commute trains or stack trains or unit coal trains and have some interest in them but they really can't relate to steam or 50's era freight train operations as they have never seen them. I've noticed quite a few younger N scale modelers running long modern trains so the interest is there and may migrate toward S scale as they get older and more established in job and housing? .DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Reefers needing ice
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, raisinone raisinone@... wrote: To my knowledge blocks of ice were not dropped directly in bunkers - the efficiency of cooling would have been awful. I remember seeing the men icing PFE cars in the old days. The long icing platforms had a chain conveyor to deliver the blocks of ice along it's length. The men use long bars or poles to push the ice around and out onto the car roofs and it seems like they only broke it up into chunks small enough to get into the hatches,I don't think they had time to break it really small. Other times I have seen them ice cars with blown chopped ice from a hose but that was shot into the car interior on top of the load instead of into the ice bunkers. We had a Union Ice plant here on the Santa Cruz branch but it did not have an icing platform so they sent mechanical reefers over here as soon as they became available, around 1957 or so. The ice bunker cars continued in mainline service for many years after that till enough mechanical cars were built to replace them. The last ice bunker cars I recall seeing were on the Visalia Electric maybe in the early 1980's for the orange crop. ..DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: A battle of the colors
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bud Rindfleisch BlackDiamondRR@... wrote: Looks good to me Bill. Yeah, once you get some decals and some weathering on there it will look fine. They probably painted the ladders and hardware on the real one with a big brush without masking so the color interface was not perfect anyway..DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Kadee No 5s
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, David Engle rirocket@... wrote: What would it take to get 802's pre-assembled, other than a neighborhood friend. They are not very hard to assemble once you practice a bit. I have a tutorial in the photo section showing an easy way to hold them. look for assembling KD's or some such title by ctxmf74 in photos sectionDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Factory Assembled Kadee Couplers
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Loizeaux@... wrote: What would it take to get 802's pre-assembled, Dave Engle DaveThat question posed to a Yahoo Group will have no answer. Hi Ed, Actually the answer is probably zero. If anyone in the group lives near him I'm betting they'd offer to assemble a few pair of his 802's for free?DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Sergent size (was Why Kadee HO Scale #5 Couplers For S Scale?)
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, shabbona_rr user141771@... wrote: Although I standardized on Kadee #5's a long time ago, I now equip all new rolling stock With Walther's Protomax couplers. They work well, and the slightly larger size does improve the gathering range. I have also found them to be compatible with the #5 draft gear housing in certain situations. Hi Bob, Are the Walthers HO coupler metal or plastic? Do they have draft gear or shank length options or do they come as just one version? Anyone done any strength test of them in long trains? I need to order a pair and check them out I guess. I don't have any problems with KD 802's but I'm always looking for better/cheaper ways to build models DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Kadee No 5s
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, David Engle rirocket@... wrote: What irritates me most is why KaDee didn't design the 802 to have a 2-56 center bolt, is it the only one that way? No, they design each individual coupler to use whatever screw they think will work best, N scale couplers use even smaller screws. The thinking was probably that a larger screw for the 802's would required a larger center post which would require a wider draft gear box? Since they include screws with the couplers I am quite satisfied with their decisionDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Proposed NS flex track posts
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, s-scale-ow...@yahoogroups.com wrote: asking for items that were not proposed ie: Reefers, is very simply rude. He says he has a place to make stuff in the USA with little time lag so why is it rude to tell him what we'd buy? He didn't seem to have a problem answering. You need to lighten up a bit and not be so paranoid, it's a hobby not a matter of life and death. We all approach it from different directions with different destinations. What I want from the hobby doesn't detract from what you or anyone else wants, it all adds to the buffetDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} code 125 ns flex track
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, clipper841@... clipper841@... wrote: the question is, is there enough market for code 125, in order for paul to re-coup his original investment, AND make a profit?, Good point. Since MTH now owns SHS I'd guess there's a good chance someone could make and sell code 125 track at a better price than MTH will sell their track. MTH tends to focus on selling their own system of DCS and proprietary products at premium prices so someone focused on just track like Micro engineering has the advantage of specialization. My additional question is will the flyer guys be willing to use track that requires some modeling skills instead of just snapping sectional track together, and will the scale guys want code 125 instead of code 100? I'm glad I don't have to make the decision :) .DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: SHS rail is code 139
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bill Lane bill@... wrote: I had a cache of code 125 turnouts thinking they were close enough to SHS rail until I measured it! Only the top inside edge of the rails needs to line up so code 125 track could be used with code 100 or code 139 from a mechanical perspective. and the real railroads use compromise joiners all over the place so it also looks right from a conceptual perspective although the scale sizes might be exaggerated a bit. I like the idea of a new concrete ties flextrack as that's the new thing in the prototype world.I used to pull code 148 rail out of O scale Atlas tie strips and replace it with code 125 rail (it was a bit loose but ran fine) so maybe S scalers could pull the code 125 rail out of the concrete tie strips and replace it with code 100 if desired? ...DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Admin: List messages
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, s-scale-ow...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Consider speculative posts about what Lionel, MTH or other entities MIGHT or SHOULD do off limits. Don't you think the manufacturers might benefit from hearing what their customers actually want instead of just shooting products out into the darkness of the unknown? I agree that restraint is in order but if people can't read what others want from their hobby maybe they are taking it too seriously? There's a lot worse things in life than finding out someone likes a different type of toy train than you do..DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Scale wheels for the SD70ACe
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Loizeaux@... wrote: I'm still not clear if the confusion over ordering scale wheels has been resolved. In my case, I am accepting the premise that scale wheels will soon be offered as a separate product which can be installed by the customer into the SD70. As far as I know, Lionel has not officially made that statement, but I have heard it from a trusted source. So, in my case, I will keep my fingers crossed and forge ahead. Hi Ed, Didn't someone say they just got a new scale wheeled loco from DesPlaines hobbies? On Saturday, FedEx delivered a Lionel SD70ACe UP #8348 with scale wheels from my friends at Des Plaines Hobbies. I've had time over the last two days to do a fairly extension examination, and put several hours of run time on it. Is the confusion about just certain models or paint schemes being offed with scale wheels or is it more complicated than what I see? ..DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: The most important thing I wanted to know.
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, aztecfan aztecfan@... wrote: You can run the new Lionel engine on any DDC system and not need the Lionel Legacy system. Yes or NO. I recently saw a very nicely done test of the loco that IIRC said it runs on DCC. I didn't read it all in detail as I don't need one but the review looked excellent. Someone else will have to direct you to the review as I didn't bookmark it.You might try the OGR forum for startersDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Scale wheel SD70ACe: Availability
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, richgajnak rustytraque@... wrote: The Union Pacific(heritage paint and standard,) KCS(both versions,) BNSF, NS(standard paint,) and CSX SD70's all are available with scale wheels, if you can find them. They are apparently sold out at the distributors. haha, so the only confusing part is why don't they make more if they are all selling out? .DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Re cement trucks
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Martin skally@... wrote: Yes, depending on your era all would need some details customizing, perhaps a truck swap, but the Ertl is a great starting point. even the English Matchbox that Pieter mentioned has a good diecast drum. Is this about redi-mix concrete trucks or cement trucks that haul bulk cement from a cement plant? I recall seeing some nicely painted and detailed toy redi-mix trucks along with garbage trucks and tree company trucks at toy'sRus last year. IIRC they were not exactly S scale but probably could be used in a scene if placed properlyDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Observations on the Lionel SD70ACe with Scale wheels
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Loizeaux@... wrote: I just ordered a second unit painted in Norfolk Southern to accompany my NYC unit previously ordered. Hi Ed, I just hope Lionel makes enough scale wheeled units to be able to see the strength of the scale market? If lionel claims they don't sell well simply because they didn't make enough it would be a waste of everyone's time and interestDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} mth update
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Andre Ming laming@... wrote: Simply mentioned my discouragement upon reading that MTH intends to re-engineer an already excellent product. Not intended to be a gripe. Just expressed my concern. Probably concern brought by experience? MTH is not know to be user friendly with it's O scale electronics,they tend to be much larger than normal DCC stuff so they embraced the china drive scheme.However AtlasO managed to get command control parts in their own switchers without butchering the drive so maybe MTH can get something in the SHS switchers without ruining them. Here's hopingDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} mth update
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Roger Nulton roger.nulton@... wrote: And time. Yep, Time grows much more vauluable as we get older. Wish I had back all the years I spent doing stuff I wouldn't do these days.DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Observations on the Lionel
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Loizeaux@... wrote: I have not heard any comments from Lionel regarding sales volume of so-called scale products.Could it be considered confidential? Hi Ed, I would expect it's confidential company information. My concern is that they do like AtlasO did when they were making about 90% of a run in 3 rail and 10% in 2 rail. The 2 rail units would sell out right away and 2 railers would be forced to buy 3 rail units and convert them so it looked like the 2 rail market was 10% when it was more like 25% cause they were buying 15% of the units in 3 rail to convert. If they want to seriously exploit the scale market they need to make and stock enough stuff that prospective modelers can find and buy it over a period of time longer than a pre-ordering period. It takes a while for new modelers to find out what is available in other scales, once they discover it they need to be able to buy it. does no good to tell them that they shoulda been in the scale last year cause regrettably they weren'tDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} New Hopper.......
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert alanlambert64@... wrote: Going back to the Lionel Flyer catalog, You will see that they list it available with scale wheels and trucks, but the pictures of all of the new hoppers seem to show high rail wheels If they have two different product numbers and one is labeled scale wheels then that product will have the scale wheels. I don't have a copy of the Lionel catalog to check but did see scale wheel locos and non scale wheel locos listed in the Lionel online store so they are definitely making some scale wheeled product. The only problem is that some folks don't realize that Lionel has been using the term scale to denote a scale sized well detailed toy train since at least 1937 when they produced their scale hudson. Their scale S stuff will have nice well detailed scale bodies if Lionel follows their traditional nomenclature but will have toy train wheels unless they are specifically listed as a scale wheeled version.Not that hard to figure out once one understands Lionel's system.Dave Branum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Scale, not scale, SSLS wheels, axles etc.
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bob Werre bob@... wrote: Is it difficult to make up wheelsets with both sides insulated. Every so often we end setting a brass car with one truck each on different blocks or polarity sections, thus shorting thru the brass body. Does anybody else have that problem? Hi Bob, I've had that problem a couple of times with metal framed cars. The main thing to minimize the problem is to make sure all the insulated wheels are on the same side of the car. Then use plastic couplers instead of metal so 2 cars coupled together with different wheel polarity can't short thru the couplers. If the cars can be left spanning an insulated reverse block gap the cure would be nylon screws and insulating washers between the truck and body bolsters. If double insulated wheels sets are still needed they can be obtained from NWSL or other supplier, probably at a slightly higher priceDave Branum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Knowledgeable Pacific Lovers Wanted.
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Scott steamtramper@... wrote: Has anyone tried to convert the AF Pacific Steam Locomotive to a scale model. I don't own it to compare it with various Pacific's that MR has published schematics of over the years, but was wondering if a project along these lines was doable. If the proportions look right I wouldn't worry about the wheels since you have a vision problem. I'd probably just build a layout using track that is suitable for larger flanges, maybe AM or SHS track or possibly Gargraves? The larger flanges should be easier to place on the rails and might be more reliable if you have trouble seeing and fixing defects in the trackwork? If the loco looks good enough to convert it will look almost as good un-converted, especially from 3 feet awayDave Branum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: MagnaLock Coupler Hoses
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bud Rindfleisch BlackDiamondRR@... wrote: I guess many years of working with the prototype makes me more critical of these things. For instance...did anyone close the angle cock before pulling the pin Hi Bud, my O scale cars with magnetic gladhands have movable handles on the anglecocks. I made them from brass wire and tube. After playing with the O scale magnetic airhose a while I decided not to put them on my S cars as I couldn't find small enough magnets and was getting kinda bored hooking them up anyway. For my S stuff I just bend the airhoses so they look connected from a distance and bend the anglecock handles to a halfway open/ halfway closed position so they are half right no matter where the car is.I'm planning to get some of the new HO magnetic hoses one of these days to see what kind of small magnets they used in them. If they look promising I might install a couple on S cars to see how they look and work but probably won't put operating anglecock handles on the S stuff. I added a photo to my daves stuff photo album showing and O scale magnetic airhose/movable anglecock handle installation..DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: S Arch Bar trucks? Decals?
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Jake shakeyjake45@... wrote: So is someone currently making S standard gauge arch Bar trucks? I saw somewhere that someone is converting Bachmann On30 trucks to S standard gauge. Where would I look for S standard gauge decals? I saw those Bachmann truck conversion photos and they looked very nice. IIRC he made new bolsters and told what kind of wheel sets he used. Probably was posted here on the list or maybe on the S scale SIG site as I don't read much other places. You can get early era data decal sheets from Rail Graphics and then you'd just need to find road reporting marks and numbers. You might also look into Clover house and see if they offer early era S scale dry transfers? The nice thing about early era cars is they are easy to scratch build since most were just common wooden construction plus a few metal fittings. Some of the narrow gauge parts should even workDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} A healthy discussion
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Roger Nulton roger.nulton@... wrote: Maybe the photogenic S layouts have already been published, but I can think of at least a couple exceptions. MRH is a non starter for me. Their submissions guidelines are too high tech for an old analog guy. Keep in mind that it doesn't have to be complete layouts. Many of the layouts featured in magazines are a track plan with a few spots finished for photos. A nice module could be an article. Look at Lance Mindheim's recent article showing a switching district portion of his new layout, it had 4 turnouts IIRC and would be just as feasible in S scale as it was in HO scale. The size and scope of the layout is not an issue, the quality of the work and the technical and creative innovation is what catches the eye and could make someone decide that S is a good way to go on their next project. I'm thinking that MRH online magazine would be willing to help someone thru the steps needed to submit an article if the content was timely and interesting, they seem quite modeler oriented and interested in promoting a hands on approach to the hobby so if anyone has an S article I'd not rule that venue out.DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: MagnaLock Coupler Hoses
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: This was posted on the S-trains list. These couplers look more like something a scaler would want. Its says they are available in HO and soon will be available in N, and other gauges. Not sure if that includes S. What do you all think? I put magnetic airhoses on a few O scale cars years ago. These don't look as realistic as the ones I made but I guess they are a compromise to make them more reliable or easier to install? Those HO hoses look big enough for S equipment so I'd try a pair if you are interested. N scale seems too small to take advantage of the concept, N scale gladhands can be cut off and bent to look like connected airhoses from operating distance so I don't see any reason to change themDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} New Hopper.......
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Loizeaux@... wrote: Then, you will need to know the axle diameter, axle length, wheel gauge and axle shape of the Lionel wheels before you will have any idea if the SHS wheels will be usable as a replacement. Hi Ed, Does anyone know if the new hopper will come with spinner caps on the roller bearing trucks like their O scale hoppers have? If so SHS axles will definitely not fit. NWSL should be able to provide wheel sets once the specs are known, I've bought NWSL replacement wheels for Lionel O scale cars. I've also pulled Lionel wheels off O scale cars and replaced them with other scale wheels that I had in my scrap box. It might also be possible to turn the S lionel wheels in a lathe if necessary. The cars should be nice enough to be worth the trouble but maybe too expensive for many to buy then modify?.DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} New Hopper.......
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: But doesn't the NASG have standards for scale wheels? If so, I cannot think of any excuse if Lionel ignores those standards as it says it is trying to enter the scale market. Comments? Be aware that Lionel traditionally uses scale to mean cars that are scale proportions as opposed to their smaller tinplate type cars, so a scale lionel car might not have scale wheels. anyone buying should look at the wheel type as well as the scale designation. I see GE locos in their online store sold as legacy presumably not scale with flyer wheels, scale with flyer wheels, and scale with scale wheels.Didn't see any hoppers in their online store listings so guess they are not available yet? I'm sure you guys will get it all figured out before I need some :) .DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: S Gaugers in the NMRA
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Michael Greene mgreene@... wrote: people will come to S from many different avenues. And what will appeal to someone coming from HO or N will not be the same as what appeals to someone coming to S with the goal of wanting to re-live the fun of their AF experience as a kid. The guys coming to S to re-live their childhood flyer fantasies are a dying breed. Any new modelers are going to come from the scale ranks as they were never flyer kids. S should join the ranks of the other scales and grow based on it's perfect size for the folks who want larger than N or HO trains but can't fit in O trains. I would not even mention to potential modelers that it's related to old flyer and just go with flyer being one of the current manufacturers along with American models, MTH, Des Plaines, SMMW, etc. The future can begin now with no looking back. Do the other scales have separate divisions within their ranks? Why should S scale be any different? Flyer can stand on it's own just as 3 rail O does and S scale can stand on it's own just like HO and N scales do. I model in all scales and see no reason to treat S as anything other than a specific size in the range.Maybe new product from Lionel and MTH will get the ball rolling toward more S scale modelers, the pent up demand certainly is there. New cheap product created the unlikely ON30 gauge success so new S product should have it much easier. Where's Bachman when you need him? :) DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: S Gaugers in the NMRA
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert alanlambert64@... wrote: It means that some of the big whigs in our scale need to come on down to Texas and Help me and my other club do some promoting. We need one more S club to set up at our local Fort Worth ,and Dallas train shows. Local shows are fun but they are small fry compared to the power of the internet and national magazines. In the old days Varney popularized their product with John Allen produced ads. Today's John Allen is guys like Lance Mindheim, Bernie Kempinski,and Mark Dance. MTH or Lionel need to hire someone like them to build a top quality S layout and get it all over the model railroading press. The layout doesn't even need to be large, there are rail/marine facilities in New york and elsewhere that could be modeled exact scale in S scale and still fit into a single car garage.Ads in MRR and RMC, online on MRRhobbyist , Youtube, etc. Create some buzz, show the greater hobby that S can be at the forefront of things and not just gathering dust in the old flyer closet. Des Plaines is making modern boxcars that are as good as anything ever mass produced in any scale but who ever hears about them? I'd been modeling for many years and never gave S a thought till SHS came out with their great PS2 hoppers and I saw Bob's photos in a magazine then went to the local train shop and checked them out in person.Shorty after Roger Nulton's Monon layout was featured in GMRR annual and I was hooked.Dave Branum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Lionel Flyer SD70ACe vs....
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Pieter Roos pieter_roos@... wrote: It appears that the SD70 is an outstanding addition to modern S. One can certainly see the next generation of model production next to the AM U-25 The only visual problem is the handrails, too bad they didn't copy the AM style of step hand rails that go down where they belong. Not sure why the engineers designing an old cheap loco got them right and those doing a new more expensive one can't? IIRC the AM loco can still get around those sharp flyer curves too? 15:1 gearing sounds great, screw the pilots solidly to the shell and make new handrails and it would probably be a good loco for the modern mainline modeler. Lionel stuff is generally well built and sturdy. I have no need for a big road loco but I'm looking forward to their modern freight cars ...DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: S-CAB NW2 At Train Show
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Peter Vanvliet groups@... wrote: I just got a dealers' note that Kato is coming out with the HO-scale GE P42 Genesis in May of this year that has the motor-in-the-trucks system, and it is available with double-speaker Loksound or Tsunami sound That is no surprise to anyone who knows how these things are designed. There's no reason to use less space for the mechanical parts if you don't plan to use the space for something else. The only question is how much the tradeoff hurts the performance and if the enhanced sound is worth it? Many buyers will accept a lot of deterioration of performance for more bells and whistles it seems.I'm more a performance oriented guy, I want it to run the best it can and let the sound play second fiddle. Plain old tsunami is enough noise for me.DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: 2013 Models Under Construction
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Roger Nulton wrote: I have included a prototype and 2 model pics of the Des Plaines USRA composite gondola with Van Dorn ends. Hi Roger, That's a very neat model. I don't think I've ever seen a car with those type of ends before, they'd look right at home on the Spiral Hill. Wonder what the load is in the prototype photo? It's piled quite high so must not go very far or very fast? DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Another POV to Locos Run Fine...
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, richgajnak wrote: Boy, it seems we come up with more reasons for Lionel to abandon the scale market than to continue... Conversely there's thousands upon thousands of reasons out the for them to want to capture the scale market. All these scale modelers are not that hard to figure out, just look at what is selling in HO and N scales and translate it to S scale size. There's no reason to believe 1/64 scale is any different than 1/87 or 1/160 when it comes to what scale modelers want to buy. Lionel's first step should be adding an experienced scale modeler to their decision making team so they can answer their own questions in house and not end up going the wrong direction.If they really want to sell to scale modelers their compromises in design need to be vetted by a scale modeler and not just by the toy train buyers or the company ad men. It's just a matter of their priorities and their vision of their future, it's not a technically difficult problem to solve. They could just go to ebay and buy some SHS products and study them which would get them 99% of the way there with little cost or effort. I imagine many of us would even send them SHS stuff to study if they said they would follow the SHS design philosophy for future Lionel S scale products?DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: New Flyonel locos run fine.......
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, richgajnak wrote: the soon to be released PBL 60 ton Shays have: A vertical can motor... Exposed gears... And heavens to betsy, tender drive I guess this classifies them as a toy train locomotive! But the question is will they go 150 MPH? Do they have room shaking sound with crew talk? Can they choke you with cinnamon flavored smoke? Do they have rubber tires so they can pull 40 cars around a 6 inch radius? Without this stuff they won't sell according to the marketing gurus. Vertical motors don't kill our dreams, people kill our dreams..DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Tomalco turnouts
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, coalsmoker2194 wrote: After this, I think I'll look into Fast-trak jigs. You really don't need fastrack jigs to build fastrack type switches. Just buy the PC board ties and then glue them to the roadbed in the same pattern that fastrack uses and solder the rails in place using an NASG track gauge. To be able to do the work on a workbench instead of on a layout just cut the roadbed for the switch from thin plywood or other material and install it on the layout after the switch is done. The hard part is not holding the pieces which is all the fastrack turnout jigs do, the hard part is filing the points and frogs which can be made easier by using a fastracks point and frog filing fixture. I've filed enough to do them without the point filing fixture but I'd recommend it if one wants to save some work. The jigs however don't save enough work to make it worth the cost and the fact that they only make one number of switch while building them on your roadbed allows any frog number needed. I'm building some N scale switches now which are really tiny and hard to see compared to S scale but their code 55 rail does file really easily and heats up instantly for soldering. In N scale the lack of spike detail don't show up much but in S scale it might be a factor in the decision to use the fastracks PC board ties or to use spikes and rail details. If the most important thing is stability and reliability I'd go with soldered PC board ties though , although I'd add PC board ties in a few more spots than fastracks jigs use and I'd install hinged switch points to make throw pressure lighter and the geometry better.DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: New Flyonel locos run fine.......
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed wrote: The conversation is not about O China drive diesels. It is about the Y-3 and SD70 which are S scale/gauge products. hi Ed, Well maybe folks are trying to discuss two things at once with me? I thought it was about toy train drives versus scale drives? If so O is highly relevant as there are more locos to do direct comparisons with. I may be wrong but it looks like S is shaping up to be the same battle between scale and toy train interests that O went thru years ago, and it's funny that a switcher might be the indicator for both scales. AtlasO built a nice scale switcher then caved into moans from the toy train guys about it being too slow(it was only slightly faster than scale speed)not loud enough and no smoke, so they changed the design of their locos to the infamous twin motored china drives.The SHS is every bit as nice a loco as the AtlasO switcher so if MTH ends up building S scale versions of the china drive speedsters instead of more SHS type locos we'll know scale guys have lost again. The interesting part of the story is Atlas didn't change their HO or N scale products to be more toy like, they kept improving them :) DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: New Flyonel locos run fine.......
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, pickycat95 wrote: If I were to conduct a poll on this list it would be to vote the consistently pouter posters off our island. Haha, more productive would be to get off the island and see how the rest of the world lives? You can close the windows and pretend the world is flat but that don't make it so. I've been modeling since 1957 and I still don't feel that I know enough to not want to learn more no matter what the source, pouty or giddy as a school girl I'll listen to themDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: New Flyonel locos run fine.......
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Talmadge C 'TC' Carr wrote: Baloney Size is not everything. Many of the high tech motors I have outpull any Pitman antique you can fit in the hood. Salami If two drives are equally engineered the larger one is always gonna pull more. Reserving space for electronics will win the sound and smoke awards and simplifying the gear train by using high speed gears will win the speed contest but larger motor and low speed gears will win the pulling train contest plus be more rugged and easy to repair if it breaks. The typical toy train drive O scale diesels don't use coreless motors they use $10 chinese can motors. They don't use fancy gear trains they use open straight cut spur gears in a rigid truck block. They are not engineering them to be precise or reliable they are engineering them to be fast , loud and cheap to build (without passing the savings on to the customer as the nicely designed single motor atlasO switcher doesn't cost any more than the 150 MPH geared twin motored locos )DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Cornfield!
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bob Werre wrote: One thing you'll need to add is a sign from either De Kalb or Pioneer at the end of the field. and I'd get a radio controlled crop duster to come in and spray it ocassionally? ( or do they do that in Canada?) ..DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: New Flyonel locos run fine.......
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed wrote: How much more useful speed range can there be? It is impossible to go slower than stop and there is no desire to go faster. So what, exactly, will a larger motor do for me? Hi Ed, A useful speed range is one that runs at scale speed at full voltage and at slow speed at minimum voltage. The twin motor china drive diesels O scale diesels are geared to run at 150 MPH or greater when the real ones usually ran at 65 MPH. So half the throttle response is wasted on a speed range we never need. Toy train guys don't mind a loco that's too fast and the companies can save money on gear design and assembly cost by using simplified trucks with motors attached. They are not doing it because it's better or even as good ,they are doing it because folks will still buy them at a greater profit margin. I'm not sure why we are discussing the new lionel stuff when my comments were in response to the new Kato locos? Lionel has never been a scale manufacturer so anything we get from them is a bonus, but Kato has produced some nice scale locos over the years and I'd hate to see them change directionDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Cornfield!
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bob Werre wrote: --You can use the many harvesters sold my SHS on their flatcars, but for an airplane you might have to resort to obtaining a plane from some Lionel guy's collection from his flatcar load! Hi Bob, I was thinking I'd use one of the remote control battery powered helicopters the guys are always demonstrating at the mall. Some are about S scale size and would look cool with spray booms added..DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: New Flyonel locos run fine.......
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed wrote: From a practical perspective, I am not sure how 'better' due to a larger motor would increase my satisfaction with the product. Hi Ed, It would be better because the manufacturer would be focusing on the performance and scale aspects of it instead of on the toy train aspects of it. It would have slow speed gearing for a more useful speed range. It would have body mounted pilot, couplers, and steps, it could have brass sprung trucks, it would have enclosed , rugged, easily repairable gear train using easy to get replacement parts, it would have an NMRA DCC plug, and scale wheels. It wouldn't have crew talk or bullet train speed ( unless it actually a model of the bullet train) It would show a commitment to advancing the hobby of model railroading more than the hobby of toy train running and collecting. It would give us something we could buy and use without spending more to modify it for scale use while still giving the toy train guys a nice loco that would teach them about scale modeling. The design of the SHS switcher was a great example of what I'm talking about, it had all the compromises in the right spot, scale over toy but worked with either.DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: kato ground breaking news
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, clipper841@... wrote: now this is something that has many applications, including s It's HO so do you mean useful for Sn3 conversion? Looks like a step backwards to me , much like the twin motored O scale toy train drives that O scale modelers hate? Trying to put small motors and a gear train in a truck is a mechanical compromise that usually sacrifices either gear ratio, motor size, or truck equalization. It's main advantage is production costs for the manufacturer which never gets passed on to the consumerDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: suitcase connectors
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, bcgsteam wrote: The biggest advantages, of course, are they don't require striping wires, require no soldering and no tape. I'm not aware of any disadvantages. The big dis-advantage one has to buy them and stock them. I've never found wrapping a feeder around the bus and soldering it to be much work, I can do it faster than I could go find the proper connector and install it. I guess a secondary dis-advantage could be the possibility of installing a connector wrong leading to failure later, which is pretty hard to do with a soldered feeder where everything is out in the open and easy to verify? ..DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: New Flyonel locos run fine.......
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Edward Loizeaux wrote: I hate to disagree with a couple of train buddies, BUT the new AF locos by Lionel will change your minds about vertical motors mounted directly onto a truck. At the recent O SCALE WEST + S convention, both locos ran on my layout for the layout visiting tourists. They both operated on DCC. I must say they ran as well as any other loco S scale has seen to date. Hi Ed, I didn't say they can't make a decent loco that way, I said it's usually not the best way to make a scale loco and shows where a companies true loyalties lie. No matter how nice those Lionel locos run physics says using the bulk of the space for motor and gearing is gonna make a better running loco than using the space for proprietary control system, sound, and smoke. It's just a matter of the room required for a large high quality motor, a strong low speed gear train, flexible well detailed trucks,etc. There's no way all that can be compressed into just the truck space without giving up something.Usually they give up motor quality, gear ratio, enclosed gears, and equalized trucks to add their non-standard control and sound boards. I just don't like to see Kato taking this path too cause in the past they built some nice locos...DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: kato ground breaking news
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Mark Mugnai wrote: Normally, I would agree, Dave, but since this is coming from Kato, it's no doubt a terrific product. I look at it as more of a statement that Kato is going toward the toy train side of the equation. The compromises needed to do it that way are not in the best interest of the scale operator. Kato knows how to make great running locos with large single motors, well designed gears, truck equalization, etc. but it looks like they are making that secondary to providing more interior room and an easier to assemble product? Atlas did the same thing when they first got into O scale. They made a great single motored switcher that was much like an SHS switcher, then the toy train guys started complaining about it running too slow( it ran at scale speeds not 200 MPH) and that it didn't make loud enough noise, etc. so atlas switched to twin motor high speed gearing on the following locos. I see now that MTH is gonna improve the drive of the SHS switcher? Good luck with that :)...DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Jerry Glow decals (was re: Union Pacific decals)
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Steven Allen wrote: He does not do special orders but recommended Rail Graphics, I don't know anything about them... I've ordered some nice generic data sheets from Rail Graphics. They produce inexpensive stock sets for early, golden,and transition era use. They also make custome road name and number sheets for freelanced railroads. I always got good service on my orders and the decals worked fine.DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Turnouts And Track
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Raymond wrote: I would like more information of better yet the article on how to convert those Atlas #6 switches I converted one years ago to see how they looked and it came out pretty nice. I can't find it now or I'd post a photo. I can't recall exactly how Bob said to do it but I cut the HO switch apart and glued the parts on a plastic sheet cut to S switch shape.Procedure was something like this: Cut the frog and the two rails at the heel end in one unit by cutting the ties somewhere near their center(leaving the partial ties attached to the frog rails), cut the running rails off with their partial ties attached, part way between the frog and points cut the closure rails so a piece of extra rail can be added for length( also cut the running rails so length can be added to them). Draw out the rail plan for S gauge and glue all the cut parts into their proper location then add additional new ties and the extra length rail where needed. Cut some filler tie sections and glue them in between the ends of the cut ties to make them look continous. IIRC I lengthened the point throw bar by adding some plastic to the center then melting in a piece of brass wire to tie the pieces together. The whole operation is pretty simple to do, and once one starts to cut the switch apart the changes needed become obvious. After doing one I kinda decided that I could hand build a switch from scratch for about the same amount of effort but I did like the resultsDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Tie plates
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Pieter Roos wrote: Another option might be thin, two piece plates with notches that you put in after spiking. The fact that it isn't really a full plate shouldn't matter, and this would allow for any fussy adjusting and gauging BEFORE worring about the plates. I know I need something like that for my turnouts that are already in place without details. That might be a good product for some small manufacturer to try. Small half plates to glue on completed track, and as Bob suggested make them in two styles , one with a notch for ties that are spiked and one with a cast on spike head for ties that are not spiked. In many places on a layout the tie plates would only need to be added to the side of the rail facing the aisle as the back side tie plate could not be seen. for those who use flextrack and hand layed switches this would give a better match of appearance with little extra effort. I've experimented with gluing cardboard tie plates on a finished turnout and it looked better than it did without them, cutting and notching the cardboard was a bit tedious so I can see where these tieplates might sell if they were available.DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: spikes
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Michael Eldridge wrote: Depends on what good means. Haha, yeah look at them as a necessary evil. I use micro engineering small as they are easy to find and not overly huge. Their micro size are a bit too small for easy handling but look good in place. No matter what kind one uses it's a lot easier if the roadbed under the tie is soft enough to take the spike point as it goes thru the tie, a hard surface under the tie will cause the spikes to bend or at best take a lot of extra force to push in.Soft wood or homasote works good, hard surface like cabinet grade plywood or hard wood not so good. If the roadbed is too hard to accept spikes adding a layer of cork before gluing down the ties is a solution. Before getting too far into handlaying a lot of track I'd suggest trying a few sections of tomalco or shinohara track as a test, they may change your mind..DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Turnouts and track
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, gsc3 wrote: I use Tomalco flex track and Tomalco switches except for one Shinohara. If I had to make my own switches from scratch I'd leave the hobby. With a little experience building a switch is no more difficult than any other modeling task, building stuff is what we do. If one has to worry about the commercial turnouts not being what they want or being reliable in operation then building your own is a logical way to overcome the problems. In S scale building your own makes a lot of sense as the commercial products are few and high priced but even in the other scales it can be a good option, I'm working on an N scale shelf layout now and am thinking I'll build my own despite the large selection of N turnouts as I know I can make better operating ones than the factory canDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Shrinking Wood
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Roger Nulton wrote: There are lots of advantages to using plywood (the good stuff!) for framing: the main one is that you can avoid pilot holes since the plywood doesn't split. It has advantages and dis-advantages. It doesn't split across the grain but it splits between layers if one drives nails or screws into the end grain wrong. About 1/3 of the grain is always running the wrong direction which stops splitting but can be a problem if it is ripped too narrow. It's easier to find good plywood but if one needs a couple of 1X4's it's easier to rip them from a 1X8 than from a sheet of plywood. The trick is learning to use everything and choosing what works best for a particular situation depending on product availability, tool access, and time constraints. I'm building a new N scale shelf layout and framed it with a 1/2 inch plywood top on 1X4 pine box grid, it's way stronger than it needs to be for N scale but I had all the material here in the shop so could assemble it all in a couple of hours.DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Turnouts and track
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, pickycat95 wrote: I've been thinking about using styrene strips for tie plates. Possibly laminating a wider and two thin strips to create the recessed platform the rail rests on. I haven't tried it yet to see if this is an insane thing to attempt. Lots of modeling falls under the insane category but we still persevere. When I get back to working on my S layout I plan to try adding ties plates to the switches too. I'm going to experiment with those cardboard paint color samples they have a the paint store, the rust colored cardboard looks about right when cut up into small tie plates. I'm not too worried about the raised edge as it is so small that it probably won't be apparent, my main concern is how to get them aligned properly without spending a lot of time and then if my Kadee spiker can drive thru them without splitting the cardboard too much? As for track i'll definitely use tomalco or shinohara flextrack for the bulk of the layout and just hand lay a few short stretches of track around the handlaid switches. Track and switches are two separate stories when it comes to the supply, the cost, and the ease of building your own. DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Free Mo S
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson wrote: the setup took a bit longer than anticipated so the show started and we were not ready for the point to point to point to be fully operational. That is when show management stopped by and told us no more non-loop layouts. Funny thing is a layout being set up would attract the attention of modelers more than a loop running trains. I always enjoy watching a point to point line operate more than a parade of trains around a loop. If they want to entertain the toy train crowd then a loop makes sense otherwise freemo or other modular scheme is more likely to get modelers in other scales interested in S scaleDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Shrinking Wood
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, gftolhurst@... wrote: I am building light (1/2) plywood framework in subassemblies, with a 1/4 lauan flange on the underside for rigidity. Keeping my fingers crossed that it will be stable. Still obsessing about how to support track. I'm intrigued by Jim Six's solution of mounting it directly on ceiling tile scenery. Plywood should be fine. Wood expands a lot in width or thickness but not much in length so the way to minimize expansion problems is to keep the wood length aligned with the rails and keep the wood width aligned in ways it won't affect the layout length. With proper wood orientation the length movement will be within the range that can be accommodated by sliding rail joiners. If one lives in an area with humidity swings the best way to assemble track is to not solder the joiners but to just solder a feed wire to every section of rail. Here in central Cali as Ed sez humidity is not usually a a problem so we can solder most of our track joiners and still not get bumps. As for track support I'd just go with the 1/2 inch plywood and keep the cross grid spacing close enough to support it. Adding ceiling tiles just gives another unknown to the expansion equation, so if you add them do some test first to make sure they don't swell up like a soggy cake when they get wet? DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} New Curved crossover
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bill Rigsby wrote: Â Looking at these curves reminds me of a question about one rail next to another on the inside of each running rail so as to put pavement between the rails. The question is how much distance is needed the running rails, and an inside rail so as to allow for five axle, i.e 2-10-2 to make a minimum of 45 radius curve wihtout binding on either the inside, or outside driver flanges? Is there a standard of X distance between rails, per Y distance of curve? It would depend on the rigid wheelbase of the loco and the radius of the curve. I'd calculate the middle ordinate for a curve of the desired radius and a chord as long as the loco wheelbase then use it plus the thickness of the loco flange plus a bit of extra for error slack. For instance a 45 inch radius would give a middle ordinate of .069 for a 5 inch wheelbase, add .035 for flange and you get .1040,times 1.1 for error gives .1144 One eight inch is .125 so that would probably be a handy number to use. for a 6 inch wheelbase on 45 inch curve the number is .1350, times 1.1=.1485 , for 7 inch wheelbase the number is .175 times 1.1=.1925 or more like 1/5 of an inch.DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Signing out
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Don 'Mac' wrote: There used to be a 'sign out' command up next to my name where it said 'welcome...' Mine still shows the top left welcome line and next to my name is now an arrow that opens up a menu of things to do, sign out, edit preferences, etc.DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Lionel vs. MTH
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Edward Loizeaux wrote: There are some folks wondering if the Lionel SD-70 will be better (or worse) than the MTH SD-70. Not having seen the MTH SD-70, I cannot make a comparison. However, there are photos of the same engine from both companies in O gauge. Lionel Y-3 is on top. MTH Y-3 is on bottom. Make your own comparisons. Hi Ed, MTH and Lionel compare pretty much like Chevy and Ford or Honda and Toyota. It depends on what they make , they can both build nice scale models if they want to. Either one will be better than nothing unless they decide to just make out of scale flyer stuff. Dave Branum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Fw: Model Railway Club of Toronto
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, scale S only scalesonly@... wrote: Another club is losing its location due to city improvement. I question whether destroying a city treasure is improvement or not? DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: A new Deputy Sheriff in this small town
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bill Lane bill@... wrote: For the first time since Pieter I took over the group someone actually volunteered to help run this nut shop. Did you ever stop to think that maybe we didn't volunteer because we didn't want to tell free folks what they can and can not talk about on their hobby site? If you want to turn folks off S scale more moderation is a sure path. The hobby is supposed to be fun not to be jumping thru some moderator's hoopsDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Kinsman updated in many cases not possible because they are not
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Willam Fraley wjfraley@... wrote: To most of us we really don't give a Hoot about and extra [inch or foot] models like Kinsman, Permabilt and so many others still looks good to us. Hi Bill, I agree. To those of us who've played on the real stuff a plastic or brass car can never feel as real as a wooden car or a tin car no matter how detailed it is so the old models score points that the new one's don't. Since modeling is an art it's not always about the number of rivets :) ...DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Admin Sandy Other off topic posts
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman rinphoto@... wrote: Foxhole? And this has to do with S scale how? That a few off topic posts are pretty small inconveniences in the overall scheme of things? DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Influence beyond S
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, tpm1ca tpmarshall@... wrote: Add to this list the wonderful brass imports from Dan Navarre... plus the equipment from PRS, SHS, AM and SSA... and I was convinced I could be a prototype modeler in 1:64 without alienating my friends who are accomplished, prototype modelers in HO. Hi Trevor, That's why I think your layout will do a lot to attract the attention of modelers in other scales. Your focus is building a top quality layout with no compromises or connection to Flyer roots so folks will see that S is a legitimate scale not just a stepchild of a toy train line. Just getting people to look at S as a modeling scale equal to the others is a big deal when it comes to future growth, a lot of the problem is psychological, people just don't believe S is for real so anything that gives them faith is huge. For years ED L and Roger Nulton have been setting the stage so I'm glad to see others are building on their strong base. I also think layouts like the Shabbona make a big impression as people can see that S is great for those who want to emphasize the operations and railroadness of a layout using readily available equipment in a creative manner, it's a pretty common scheme in HO but most S scalers haven't gotten it down like Bob has.Regards, DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Photos added
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Richard Karnes rnk2202@... wrote: I have added four photos in the Photos section; they appear under the folder name NYWB Projects. Wow, That green Putnam Hills tower is really beautiful.DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Bob Jackson/Lionel Marketing
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Jim and Cheryl Martin farnhamhouse@... wrote: The Lionel thread has really tested my patience over the last few days. Â This will be my only remark on the matter. Â I do use my delete button a lot on threads that annoy me or are of no use to me, but having to delete 200 messages on a single topic which seemingly resolves nothing is, quite simply, over-the-top. Why not set your settings to no email and just read what interests you on the group site? Nothing to delete that way. Complaining about emails that you've enabled is sorta like inviting the neighborhood kids to run thru your house and then complaining when they make noise? They get new decals and they are gonna get excited..DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Scale wheels on SMMW kits
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Michael Ostertag wsmwrr@... wrote: HO has at least 15 different 3 bay covered hoppers on the market and we can't even get together to get 1 new one manufactured! All because of the good ole boys club that the AF guys have built up over the years. That's a big mis-understanding of cause and effect. If the manufacturers wanted to build S scale covered hoppers they wouldn't let the old Flyer guys stop them. S scale has nothing to do with flyers, they are too separate things. Manufacturers could build S scale trains if flyer never existed,If they aren't it's because they don't see the advantage of a size between HO and O scales, if they truly got it they'd already have jumped on the opportunity. To have a strong future S must stand as a scale size not a descendant of toy train line, and to do that it will need more exposure to mainstream modelers and more publicity based on it's size advantages. Stuff like Trevor's new Canadian layout are what will catch the attention of the greater hobby community. DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Lionel's Marketing Strategy
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Loizeaux@... wrote: Note I am not saying this is the best or optimum marketing scheme, but I think it is the one in effect at this time -- for better or for worse. Putting it another way, nobody uses the traditional scheme of making a mass produced product to keep on the shelf in case an order arrives. Hi Ed, We only have ourself to blame for letting the manufacturers get away with this scheme. If we refused to buy stuff with pre-orders other companies would step in to fill the void. Old Irv Athearn didn't wait for orders to build his new line, he apparently had faith in his vision to be a mass merchandiser of HO stuff so started cranking it out at prices we couldn't resist. If a new uncle Irv comes along I'll be supporting him with my money. I view it as a marketing plan based on the needs of modelers both present and future versus a scheme based on making the models collectibles by limiting their release numbers and time spans. Athearn was building the model railroad hobby while Lionel and the other limited run guys are working on creating a collectibles market using trains instead of plates or commemorative coins :) When someone makes the effort to supply us new product without requiring pre orders I will support them, I bought one of each style and road number of the new Des Plaines boxcars and must say they are fantastic in execution and a great value for the price.If S had a broad selection of cars with the Des Plaines quality and pricing HO and O scales would be in for a battle. ..DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: converting the L hopper
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Alex Binkley alex.binkley@... wrote: I've changed the subject line to stay out of the L sniping. My question is if the hopper is only available with hi rail flanges, is there something unique about the trucks that prevents a modeler from simply replacing the wheels? Or the trucks? Should be a piece of cake. O scalers do it all the time with Lionel O cars. NWSL can make wheels sets for anything. If Lionel puts out hopper with scale wheels that will make it easier but if all I can find are hirail versions I'll be very happy to change the wheels to get such a nice new car. And if it plays out like O scale the cars with hirail wheels will sell for a lot less than the scale wheeled cars on the resale market so the costs of new scale wheels is not much in the overall scheme of thingsDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: converting the L hopper
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Loizeaux@... wrote: It was a Lionel body with ATLAS O trucks attached. The fellow told me that Lionel trucks sometimes fall apart after some use and have a bad reputation. The ATLAS O trucks had a good reputation. Seems like quite a few of the O fellows preferred buying a product with the trucks already switched instead of doing the switching themselves. Hi Ed, I believe the last sentence but not the first part.My experience is Lionel trucks need a lot of work with a dremel cutoff wheel to even get them apart so I can't see them falling apartanytime soon. Contrary to what your vendor told you Atlas trucks are no great favorite of O scale modelers, they are grossly over wide to accommodate 3 rail tinplate wheel sets. They probably just use them on the converted cars because they are available and sell well to those who don't know their shortcomings. When I switched trucks on 3 rail O cars I would use Weaver trucks or Athearn trucks before Atlas trucks every time. I even removed Atlas trucks and put more scale like trucks on Atlas cars if I wanted them to look better. If Lionel scale flyer trucks are as nice as their 3 rail scale trucks we'll be happy campers even if we have to provide our own scale wheelsDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Running Lionel on DC
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, aztecfan aztecfan@... wrote: Buying a $500 engine and throwing away the sound unit is not the thing to do just to run on DC. What O scalers do in their similar situation is pull out the proprietary electronics and sell them for about $100 then use the money to buy a DCC decoder or just save it if they want plain DC. It's not the easiest way but it gets one what they want. The easiest way is just switch to HO and buy a sound equipped ready to run loco for around $200.DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Scale wheels on SMMW kits
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Pieter Roos pieter_roos@... wrote: Even the big companies make defined runs of product; the hobby shop probably can't supply a new Bachmann or Atlas locomotive released three years ago. Lionel can't sell you a new U.S.R.A. Mikado from an early run either. Which don't make much sense as the tooling costs are already paid for so each additional run would lower the per unit cost? I could still buy the same Athearn HO kit when I was 42 that I bought when I was 12 years old so they got maximum value from those old Athearn molds and allowed the maximum amount of modelers to enjoy the hobby. It's almost like the new marketing scheme is building in long term failure by limiting the number of models and the number of happy modelersDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: SP#1 Little giant?
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Koz soldado7264@... wrote: This should be of some help: http://www.pmrr.org/Equipment/RS1/index.htm Hi Ed, Thanks , that's a great article.DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Lionel and scale wheels
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, gftolhurst@... wrote: Another thing to consider is the fact that flyonel wheels frequently necessitate compromises in the cars themselves resulting in decreased fidelity to scale SHS and AM have proved that's it's not impossible to please both scale and hirail buyers so there's no good reason Lionel couldn't do the same.Hopefully MTH will realize why SHS was successful and will continue to stick to that level of quality, otherwise his investment will not be maximized.and maybe Lionel will finally understand that they are leaving a lot of potential sales to competitors by not pursuing the scale modeling side of the hobby? All we can do is tell them the facts then either get what we want from them or go spend our money elsewhere.DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Lionel and scale wheels
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, richgajnak rustytraque@... wrote: Sorry for the rant, Ed, but I'm sure I'm not the only one out here getting frustrated. If you can diplomatically bring up some of these issues at lunch, please do do. and mention to them that the target audience for scale wheels is just not a few S scalers it's a huge herd of HO guy looking to upsize and O guys looking to downsize. S doesn't hafta be held hostage to the Flyer mentality it is perfectly capable of standing on it's own as a modelers scale equal to O, HO, and N scales, all S needs is the equipment, it's already got the perfect size..DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} S Scale Loco Supply new stainless steel wheels
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Alex Binkley alex.binkley@... wrote: John: You would find them friction trucks in the late 1980s on older cars (freight cars had to be retired after 40 years) so a car with a few years left would keep them unless they broke down. It also depends on what location you are modeling. If it was a road with captive cars that had old trucks you'd see a lot more friction bearing trucks than you would on a busy bridge line. The SP ran their old beet racks with friction bearings trucks till they were retired as they were not interchanged.DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} S Scale Loco Supply new stainless steel wheels
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, gftolhurst@... wrote: I strongly agree with John D. NMRA RP-25 wheels in code 88 have been shown to work well in HO. Based on my amateur-level understanding of physics, the same tread profile should work even better in S, due to greater weight of the equipment. Code 88 wheels would work as fine in S scale as they do in HO scale and P64 wheels would work as fine in S scale as P87 and P48 wheels do in HO and O scales. It's not a matter of physics it's a matter of availability and pricing. If P64 trucks were as easy to get and cost the same as SHS trucks I'd have standardized on them long ago. N scalers have proved that small flanges are just as reliable as big flanges so use the wheels that appeal to you and don't worry about the physics as they work.DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Confused, really really confused...
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Scott steamtramper@... wrote: I was under the impression that these two companies produced accurate scale models. However all I see are postings modifying, changing and or bashing the offering from these two companies that seem to be the current backbone of S scale. What is going on? I am new to the scale and it just keeps getting more and more confusing. Hi Scott, Welcome to S scale. No great mystery once you look at the big picture. SHS and AM models are great models as they come but railroads had many variations of similar cars so we customize the models to make them better fit our visions. It might be changing steps or roofs or whatever but it's done for fun not from necessity, the cars work fine as they come. It's not just an S thing to modify cars, all scales do it, the HO and N guys have more choices to start with so might need to make fewer changes overall but they always find something to keep them busy. As you get more modeling experience you will probably start looking at prototype photos of cars similar to your model cars with an eye toward changing something on some of themDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: SHS trucks
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson don@... wrote: Its dark outside... See any opportunities to get back to building us S scale stuff? :) ...DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Confused, really really confused...
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Pieter pieter_roos@... wrote: I bought a IM RI RTR car there too...So, far I've replaced the trucks, hand wheel, steps, couplers/coupler boxes, and added cut levers. I've scrapped off the numbers and now need to decal on new numbers 167282, chalk marks, reweigh/repack, add a route card and weather. Then and only then will it be LOR LayOut Ready. That modeler works in HO, and is fortunate to have actual lists of cars dropped and pulled from the town he models, so he researches the car number and models specific cars (by series, he certainly can't find photos of a specific number car to follow). FWTW, IM is Intermountain. One can do pretty much the same thing in S scale using PRS kits instead of Intermountain. It's a good way to get a lot of hobby time in without spending too much on equipment, the longer it takes to build one car the less cars one has to buy. As for car lists anyone can make those up for their own specific location either real or imagined. If it's a real town just look for photos of the railroad around the town and see what was in the trains and yards.If it's an imaginary town just make up a traffic flow based on the industries and then look for photos of the kind of cars that served that kind of industry in your modeled location and eraDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} SP#1 Little giant?
Hi all, I'm working on an HOn3 brass SP#1 diesel now and would like to build an Sn3 version next. Has anyone built one of the Railmaster kits and can give me some insight on the process and quality of the results? Looks like it's a white metal casting flat kit? and needs a modified HO drive which I'm wondering how hard that is to pull off successfully? :) ...DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: SHS trucks
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson don@... wrote: Dear Dave, for me I plan on continuing working on buddy Bill's layout once a week once I get back. Don Enjoy the hobby time , you've earned it.:) .DaveB Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} S Scale Loco Supply new stainless steel wheels
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, John Degnan Scaler164@... wrote: As I stated in the past, I've been working on (and with) Dave Rygmyr at NWSL for about a year now to get them to re-start production of the code 88 S scale wheels. I am not sure if the original wheels qualify as NMRA RP-25 wheels in code 88 since I, like Fred, still posess amateur-level understandings of the physics of these standards, but I believe they do. Maybe someone else can expound on this more? Don't worry about code 88 or NMRA RP-25 just ask for P64 wheels and ask them to use the prototype profile that O P-48 and HO P-87 use (re-scaled for 1:64 scale of course). I don't have any to measure but it looks like Proto wheels for S scale should be code 87 based on HO and O proto dimensions? As long as you are buying new wheels anyway if you get true proto flanged wheels you can then use true scale sized frogs and point spacing and tighten up everything, it's a lot easier to build proto track than track for larger flanges ...DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
