{S-Scale List} RE:
Ed, My Flyonel SD70 works great on my Digitrax system. Mine is from the 2012 catalog. Ben Trousdale ---In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, s-scale@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi Tom, I have a couple of questions about Lionel's SD 70 scale unit. Does your model work on dcc with your present throttle? Would changing the color on the shell be any more difficult than repainting an American Models or SHS shell? Finally, do you have the 2012 or the 2013 model? Thanks Ed Davis Stockton, CA PS: I'd hate to change the great paint job on the SD 70, but I have a freelance layout. : ^ (
RE: RE: {S-Scale List} Hinged or solid points to throwbar
Dave, You must besome sort ofengineer to think up an idea like that.Ben Trousdale ---In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, s-scale@yahoogroups.com wrote:If you wanted to get fancy, you could rig up an automatic system to test a set of points soldered to the throwbar and let it run for a thousand cycles or until it breaks. I would think number of operations is the best metric. I was going to mention about the size of rail and whether the points themselves are hinged or continuous but Jim bet me to it. I believe hinging the points themselves using the shortened rail joiner method provides enough slop to relieve the stresses. Also if you wire your turnouts so the point rail is always the same polarity as its adjacent stock rail helps, because you can place the point closer to the stock rail without problems, so the throw is less along with less angle difference. In my case, I hinged the points on my Code 83 turnouts and soldered the points to the throwbar. I did this mainly because all but one of my Code 83 turnouts are dual S/Sn3 gauge, so I have three rails to bend and I was worried about the turnout motor throwing the turnout, which turned out not to be a problem. I do have some dual S/Sn3 turnouts in Code 70 rail with solid point rails and soldered throwbars and have not had any problems to date with them, but they do take more force to move than the Code 83 ones with the hinged points. On stub switches, I do allow for the rails to move one the throwbar a little. So far I haven’t had any failures other than initial soldering problems. I haven’t laid any Code 100 rail in years, and that was in my pre-handlaid track days. Dave HeineEaston, PA From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cheryl MartinSent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 9:13 PMTo: S-Scale@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: {S-Scale List} Hinged or solid points to throwbar Jamie, Michael...I think the hinged vs soldered throwbar probably depends on whether the point rails are hinged or solid, along with the rail size. My turnouts are made with code 83 rail with solid point rails and soldered throwbars. Code 83 rail doesnt put up a lot of resistance and the few solder failures Ive had at the throwbar have been because of bad soldering, not stresses on the connection. Those who build with heavier rail (code 125 and up) might be wise to hinge either or both ends of the points because of the exponentially higher forces it takes to bend the rail. Thats my take on things for what its worth. BTW Michael, your track work techniques look first rate. Jim (sticking with flex track) MartinOnOctober6,2013at10:49AMJamieBothwellvze4cs43@...wrote: Michael,I have elected to go with soldering the rails to the throw bar, but I dont have years of in use experience. Therefore I would also like to hear from anyone who has had such in place for some time. Jamie Bothwell Curious in Bethlehem, PA On Oct 5, 2013, at 6:26 PM, meldridge@... wrote: Time for a final (?) decision. Should I solder the point rails to the throwbar, or solder a tab to the rails and put a screw through the tab into the throwbar? Im most curious to hear from people that solder the rails to the throwbar. Fill in the blanks: In years of operating them Ive had _ solder joints come apart. -Michael Eldridge
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RE: Re: {S-Scale List} Hinged or solid points to throwbar
I soldered all my points to the throw bar and all the points werehinged for bothcode 100 and code 125 rail. I made the hinges for 125 rail out of SHS insulated joiners and for 100 rail out of PECO insulated joiners. The throw bars weremade of PC boardwith a gap in the copper foil. The rail soldered like a charm to the foil.The main trick is to heat the end of the point so that it would melt solder before making contact with the foil. The foil delaminates if it gets too hot. Only failures were initial bad solder joints. They held for 10 years or more. One aspect I didnt like was that some ofthe point assemblies would work their way away from the hinge until the throw ran into its adjacent tie. There was not enough movement to cause the rail to work free of the hinge joiner; I just didnt like the unsightly gap. I think this creep was due to the tension at the rigid joints at the throw bars.Ben Trousdale ---In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, s-scale@yahoogroups.com wrote:Michael, I have elected to go with soldering the rails to the throw bar, but I dont have years of in use experience. Therefore I would also like to hear from anyone who has had such in place for some time.Jamie BothwellCurious in Bethlehem, PA On Oct 5, 2013, at 6:26 PM, meldridge@... wrote: Time for a final (?) decision. Should I solder the point rails to the throwbar, or solder a tab to the rails and put a screw through the tab into the throwbar? Im most curious to hear from people that solder the rails to the throwbar. Fill in the blanks: In years of operating them Ive had _ solder joints come apart.-Michael Eldridge __._,_.___ Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
{S-Scale List} Re: Info request
Jim, The first question that should asked is Gargraves suitable for scale wheels if that is what you are using. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: Guys and Gals, Getting ready to build a new S layout, quickly exhausting track choices. Does anyone have recent experience with the redesigned GarGraves S switches, good or bad Appreciate any help. Jim Lyle Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Was Flyonel in attendance at the Convention?
If so, was there any update on expected delivery of the delayed cylindrical hoppers? Ben Trousdale Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Speaking of American Models
Their winter sale hinted at a new release of the covered hopper by saying the price of new ones will be more. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bill Lane bill@... wrote: Is anyone in the know with American Models -about ANYTHING brand new coming out? It has to be 6+ years now since a completely new AM item was released.. You can only survive on selling old stock and new paint schemes on old shells for so long... Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com/ http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com/ http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com/ http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: tomalco turnouts
Bob, Use a stiffer wire. The supplied wire is pretty wimpy and the motor is more than strong enough. It's been a long time but I recall using something like .038 diameter piano wire. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, coalsmoker2194 coalsmoker2194@... wrote: Anyone had any luck using Tortise machines to power Tomalco turnouts? The point rails on mine are just too stiff for the Tortise machines to operate. I've considered cutting the continuous point rail, and installing rail joiners, like the point rails on the Shinohara turnouts. Any other remedies out there? Bob Davis Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Double slip switch or double crossover
Rance, Poor execution is probably the problem. Tolerances, flange way widths, guard rail gaps and alignments need to be spot on. I built an ambitious double crossover through curved track on all routes. Wiring problems are very solvable. Over time I went from telephone switch board looking switching with 3 way rotary switch with way too many relays, to one with fewer relays to 3 way rotary switches with 4 poles and no relays. All methods used some of the internal power routing switches in the Tortoise switch machines. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Rance Velapoldi rvelapoldi@... wrote: Since this is asking about turnouts, I was wondering if anyone has had experience using a double slip switch? I seem to remember someone saying they don't work well - have problems of trains going through them. Has anyone ever made one (using SHS type track, roughly code 133). Could one make a double crossover using AM track (2 pairs of switches plus a 30 degree crossover) or does the crossover present wiring/shorting problems. One can make a single crossover using a pair of turnouts with the tracks on 3 centers, so one could make two crossovers which would serve the purpose of a double crossover - although it would be almost twice as long as a double crossover, it would remove possible problems with a crossover. I would prefer using SHS type track for this, but I don't think there are any crossovers in SHS track. Well, any suggestions would be gratefully accepted. thanks for info. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 8/3/2013 22:41, Bill Lane wrote: Bob, I use the Hankscraft stall motors. http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout_Photos/Underside_2.jpg I have never tried using Tortoise machines but with .062 steel music wire for a throw rod the Hankscraft motors are **unstoppable**. It WILL turn the throw bar wire into a spring or blow your turnout apart! Part of the using them is being able to incrementally turn the power up until you make all your points throw completely. This works! I am using SHS rail for many of my turnouts. The points are NOT gapped for a throw hinge point. Thank You, Bill Lane Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Age old question concerning speed matching for MU operation
Dirty wheels are frequently the culprit in poor performance. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Willam Fraley wjfraley@... wrote: At times I run Three [old] AM GP 7's hauling a very long coal train. I run DC. I find that if my three engines are in excellent condition, they have no problem hauling the load. I try to keep my equipment serviced, and if the coal train starts having problems, my loco's need looked at. Presently, after a recent over haul, they are running fine. Whew, thank heavens! See Ya, Bill (FRaley) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Brake Wheels (Was Re: FNF - July 26, 2013)
Bob, Good looking pics. Whose brake wheel did you use on the CNW gondola? Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, shabbona_rr user141771@... wrote: July 29, 2013 Put together another set of Andrews trucks last night. I still have enough parts for one more pair. I thought I had a supply of N'eastern bettendorf side frames, but I must have been dreaming, or they wandered off somewhere. No matter, I don't have any more NE bolsters, at least for now. I have a couple pair of Ace trucks to assemble, using the SSLS wheelsets I received, so I'm OK for now. Does anybody have any spare NE bolsters? boB Nicholson _ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Brake Wheels (Was Re: FNF - July 26, 2013)
Bob, I suppose you bought it about a zillion years ago. There doesn't appear to be an outfit by that name in KC anymore. Does anyone make a good modern replacement brake wheel for S? I'm missing about 6 of them in a recent significant purchase of used SSA Bethgon coal porters. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, shabbona_rr user141771@... wrote: Ben: That brake wheel was a brass casting from an outfit in Kansas City, Liberty Models, I believe. boB Nicholson ___ --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, pickycat95 pickycat95@ wrote: Bob, Good looking pics. Whose brake wheel did you use on the CNW gondola? Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, shabbona_rr user141771@ wrote: July 29, 2013 Put together another set of Andrews trucks last night. I still have enough parts for one more pair. I thought I had a supply of N'eastern bettendorf side frames, but I must have been dreaming, or they wandered off somewhere. No matter, I don't have any more NE bolsters, at least for now. I have a couple pair of Ace trucks to assemble, using the SSLS wheelsets I received, so I'm OK for now. Does anybody have any spare NE bolsters? boB Nicholson _ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Age old question concerning speed matching for MU operation
Somewhere there is joke in here about an old dog, old tricks and string -- err leash. I've found that the speed differential and/or starting voltages need to be quite different to start worrying about matching speeds. This middle-aged dog has not yet decided to learn the trick of speed matching. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, shabbona_rr user141771@... wrote: . . . or go to straight DC and eliminate a problem where none should exist--- boB Nicholson --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, L. West nsrc119@ wrote: The age old answer to the age old question = Read the manuals. When speed matching locos, get the first loco running the way you like and then match subsequent locos to it. We strongly recommend that you keep a running list of the CVs and CV values you have programmed for each decoder. You will need edit CVs using the command station. Matt Hogan --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Edward Davis edandhdavis@ wrote: Hi, Is it possible to closely match the speed of two diesels with different motors and different decoders WITHOUT using a computer? Thanks. Ed Davis Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: S Scale Loco Supply wheelsts
Current pricing for code 110 wheelsets is NWSL $12.95/4 = $3.24/axle SSLS $12.00/4 = $3.00/axle MTH $12.95/4 = $3.24/axle AM $4.65/4 = $1.16/axle are code 125 Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bill Lane bill@... wrote: If you want quality wheelsets here they are! http://www.sscaleloco.com/Stainless_Steel_Wheels.htm $1.00 per axle has gone the same way as sealing wax, the Dodo bird and honest politicians! I cannot think of a better way to show support to a fellow S Scale manufacturer. The wheels are 100% made in the USA. What else could you want? Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com/ http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com/ http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com/ http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: CV 06 question
If you have a string on the back of a locomotive, how does a train go in reverse? You have string or you have cars. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, shabbona_rr user141771@... wrote: Bill: That would be like making a jackass drink water! If you're going to use string, you'll have to have one on each end of the locomotive, one for forward and one for reverse. That's why a DC throttle is a more practical solution. boB Nicholson _ --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, scale S only scalesonly@ wrote: Hi Jamie and boB -- That requires two strings. Ever try to push a string?... Bill Winans Hey Bob, String eliminates the potential left-right confusion. Just forward and back! Jamie Bothwell DC throttles eliminate all the confusion; turn them to the right, engine speed increases; turn them to the left, speed decreases. boB Nicholson __ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: joke of the year
Whoa! That got a little OOC. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, clipper841@... clipper841@... wrote: see ebay #251274224851, content is s mel perry Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Weekend Fun
Great report Steve. I completely missed the TLR convention and I live here. Head too much in the sands of work and tweeking the coupler slack on Evans boxcars, bethgons, husky-stacks and spine cars. Steve has a really amazing layout. It's pilgrimage worthy. We have to be really careful with Bro Z. If we don't watch out he'll go from Godzilla size couplers and flanges to modern sacrilege and abomination of BNSF SD70s, heritage ES44ACs and miles of Bethgon Coal Porters and never get back to the venerable Minnesota Heartland. There's no humor or perspective to be found there amidst the modern monsters. I'm truly worried. Ben Trousdale (51 coal porters and counting in Minnesota!) --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Steve Doyle doylesteve19@... wrote: This past weekend, the Thousand Lakes region (TLR) of the NMRA held its annual convention in Bloomington, Minnesota ...snip... Now that his heavy workload getting ready for the TLR is over, Brother Zieska swears that all the bickering and tail-chasing on this list has caused him to go over to the Dark Side of lobster-claw couplers and cookie-cutter wheelsets. We hope to do a laying-on of hands or at least a séance to rid him of the Aliens, so there's at least some hope you'll hear wry and cynical observations from him again in the not-too-distant future. ...snip... Steve (Doyle) Twin Cities Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Crown Models
Bill, No harder than SHS except I don't believe they had replacement wheel sets in the box. They are nice toy train cars with crisp and colorful paint schemes. Detailing is heavy and lacks fineness. If you want them to 'look right' in a scale layout they will need work to replace the cast-on details. I've sold some of mine primarily because they don't fit my era - a little reluctantly because I really liked some of the schemes. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bill Lane bill@... wrote: I never bought any of the Crown Models cars. Are they comparable to SHS? Is changing to scale the same effort as SHS? Is the correct coupler height easily achieved? Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com/ http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progess at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com/ http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com/ http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: 3D PROCOR Tank Model
Andrew, I was wondering about the print layers, too. I looked up Shapeways and it appers you send the the appropriate 3D CAD file and they will print it. Is that how it works? Is it Kosher to ask how much? Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, andrewbaird031 andrew.baird@... wrote: Chris, Using FUD (fine ultra detail) print, the surface is very smooth. I guess one I add a coat of paint will see how it will look. Hard to tell the detail, as I took the photo with my Blackberry and the fact that the material is printed in clear. Just getting ready to order some brake parts. Hope to get another 4 and run them back and forth to the Mainland in groups of 2. Seems like they travelled in 4's so I will cut that in half for scale. :) If you happen to find that article I would love to see it. I assume that will be my only thing holding the finished model back. Andrew Sn42 CN Newfoundland --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, JC vannessco@ wrote: Andrew I knew it would come -- wow! How is the surface versus expectations? Any striations? All you need is a Grant Line Westinghouse AB brake set and some stanchions for the hazmat placards and you are off to the races. As to top valves there was a series in the Mainline Modeler in the early 1990's dealing with technical aspects of modern tank cars that was written by an employee of Trans Union that was (still is?) Procor's parent. If I can find the cite I'll post it later. Chris Rooney --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, ANDREW BAIRD andrew.baird@ wrote: Good day, Well dipped my toe in the 3D modelling. Ok the whole foot. Here is the 1:64 PROCOR tankcar. This tankcar as far as I know traveled around Eastern Canada and Ontario but not sure if it ventured elsewhere. Have a few photos of the car on standard gauge trucks and narrow gauge trucks. All that is needed is add whatever brake detail you may need, stirrups and paint and decal. Just have to go through the suppliers photos to get the right details. Also need to find a way to add a bit more weight. Anyone have thoughts or idea's for the details would love to hear them. Especially all the valves on the top of the dome. I just might get the whole CN Newfie fleet in Sn42 this way! Andrew Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: AM locos DCC
I've never let the smoke out of a decoder in any AM or SHS loco using 1amp rated decoders. I haven't done any steam installs on AM and have factory Installed on SHS. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Tom Hawley t.hawley@... wrote: I got the following via another medium, from a person closely associated with the model RR industry (not Mr Bashista). Can anyone answer? I get calls at least five times a year for people who are programming their DCC American Models engines. They always ask the stall speed/voltage. What should they use - mostly? Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Brass Grommets as freight car truck bearings
They had brass tube bearings with a flange that one force-fit into the holes in the side frame. Later they began offering them with delrin bearings and had a retrofit kit/instructions. Considerably reduced the friction of the bearing. They also sold spacers for the delrin that narrowed the gap between bearing faces in order to reduce the side play of the axles. Side frame spacing at the bolster was designed to accommodate high rail wheels with the wide tires. IMHO still one of the best riding trucks ever made in S. The springs were not too stiff or too soft. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, ken garber garber.ken@... wrote: ACE conversion kits had the brass grommets/eyelets. They also had plastic/delrin? bearings also. Ken Garber On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 2:16 PM, David Engle rirocket@... wrote: Was it Ace or Rex who included these with their Bettendorf trucks? Dave Engle Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Middling Accomplishments of an SD60
Bob, I think you're right about the center wheel pivot or back and forth rocking. Talgo couplers magnified that problem. I'm going to try to reduce the strength of the center spring. Ben Trousdale Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Middling Accomplishments of an SD60
It ran last night at Ken's and successfully made many circuits around the loop assisting the SD70. The electronics and sound worked great except for the lighting. The frame-mounted couplers haven't fallen off (yet) and were at perfect height. The front power truck chatters and shudders. I knew about this at low speed and it looked like it might go away at higher speeds. Not. Back to the bench to correct the wiring for lighting effects and to dissassemble the power truck. This locomotive has been cursed. It had a cracked gear on one of the axles when I bought it used and I'm now wondering if that was a symptom of something wrong in the gear tower. Ben Trousdale Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Middling Accomplishments of an SD60
Bob, Have you frame-mounted the couplers? Consisted SD60s with talgo mounted couplers don't play well with each other or with locos with frame-mounted couplers. The loco last night was my first frame mount job and it tracked very well except over a questionable section of track. Lionel's SD70 has only 1 sprung axle per truck - I think the leading and trailing axles. It tracks well, too, however the center wheels rides a little high with tire not making contact with the rail head. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bob Werre bob@... wrote: Ben, I can talk from experience in that sometimes a cracked gear is almost impossible to see and maybe only apparent under actual usage. You might just consider replacing the whole power truck to save further frustration. I've had a bit of a issue with mine tracking properly. I test it on my home layout but it normally runs on our modules. Even with some questionable track it seems to run at home very well. However I replaced the drive wheels with NWSL a couple of years ago. The problem is that it just runs off the track on our modules' curves and they're in the 45 range and flat. Reminds me of when I learned to roller skate and the hunting to find a happy medium. I have fooled with the springs in the middle axle with some improvement; this is after I ran it for awhile without the center axle with total success. Bob Werre Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Tsunami Woes
I recently installed one in an AM SD60 with AM's LED lamps front and back. I had to modify a CV because the motor was wired backwards. It seemed the headlight function changed with it. So I then had to reverse that by modifying another CV. The front headlight is always on whether going forward, backwards or stationary and irregardless of how function 0 is set. I then tried to program 'rule 17' (?) in CV49 where the front headlight dims when reversing. I also programmed in the LED dimming feature. All that didn't work so I messed around some more and programmed the front headlight to flash. Well the rear headlight flashed and now I think that the decoder thinks the front is the rear. I then tried to program the rear light CV(50) so that it would dim. That didn't work nor could I get it to flash. Maybe I have to go back to square one, reset the factory defaults and reverse the motor wiring. Ben Trousdale Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Tsunami Woes
Bill, I was able to fiddle with the sound controls rather easily. So far I adjusted the master sound, changed the horn and boosted the horn level higher than the master sound. It all worked quite easily. I also tried messing with the horn reverb to no noticeable effect. It seems I spent about a century doing a bunch of work on this one SD60. The first decoder I somehow fried probing wires to figure out the headlight wiring. The second decoder was a cinch except for the programming. This was all after making a decoder platform that fastens to the 4 screws holding down the bearings of the large and long flywheel. The major work has been devising frame-mounted coupler pads. Two steps forward one step back sort of thing with frequent trips to my LHS for way too much plastic for what I need it for. They look good except for finding a paint match. I will try it out tonight at Ken's swapping it for the SD60 already in the coal train consist. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bill Lane bill@... wrote: Ben I think I know what you are talking about. I have found it is easier to just swap the polarity of the motor leads than have to program the wrong direction out with the decoder. It can get your directional lights messed up with it. I have same A B A sets I set up and run in the same unit order every time. The trailing unit has opposite motor wiring than the lead unit. Since I also program all for the same address (I am NOT doing consisting!) it further makes sense to label the unit order. I am just now fiddling with my first QSI for me for my 2 RDC. I will take a Tsunami any day! UGH! I even told the help tech at QSI if there was an RDC sound Tsunami the QSI would get returned! I am getting the hang of basis volume controls and turned most or the cutesy sounds down or off. In the Tsunami Fireman Fred with his wrenching and shoveling coal get instantly killed. Why QSI has the compressor defaulted to be twice as loud as the motor is beyond me. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com/ http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progess at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com/ http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com/ http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Tsunami Woes
Ed, Talk about out-of-context. Bill jumped from the RDC QSI chips to the Tsunami chips for steam engines as another example of sound adjustments he makes. I am just now fiddling with my first QSI for me for my 2 RDC...snip... In the Tsunami Fireman Fred with his wrenching and shoveling coal get instantly killed. So yeah, it was a really dumb question. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Loizeaux@... wrote: Fireman Fred with his wrenching and shoveling coal get instantly killed. Bill Lane This is probably a dumb question, but why would an RDC sound decoder have a fireman shoveling coal? RDC's, to the best of my knowledge, were not steam powered. Ed Loizeaux Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: What is scale.....??
Scale my defy definition, but we know it when we see it. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bob Werre bob@... wrote: I think we have to leave an exact definition to the eyes and mind of the reader/modeler. It's the same with beautiful--we have beautiful models and we have beautiful models--meaning the MR calender and your typical swimsuit calender! Bob Werre PhotoTraxx On 4/22/13 10:08 PM, pickycat95 wrote: I have an idea. Let's all learn to distinguish between Ed's rhetorical questions and those that are truly more tangible. I can imagine the twinkle in Ed's eyes when he throws one of his classic 'r' bombs at the list. This was quite blatant. Ben Trousdale What I was looking for was an answer to the question of whether Brooks layout is scale or not. In order to answer that question, I need to know the precise definition of 'scale'. So far, I don't hear a really good definition. To my way of thinking, a good definition would clearly distinguish RTR tinplate from precision authenticity in order to prevent confusion and misunderstanding when communicating. Maybe there is no way to define 'scale' the way we S guys commonly use it? Thinking, always thinking.Ed Loizeaux Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: What I need to remember
Now for the scale modern guys we need a rotary coal dumper that works with scale rotary couplers. Oops! There's that 'C' word again. Take out the slack and make them rotary? The engineering and precision of execution would be awesome. Ben Trousdale And furthermore those who attended the joint NMRA/NASG convention in Pittsburgh will certainly remember a rotary coal dump that worked correctly every time I saw it do it's thing! There would be nothing wrong with a great accessory like that on any RR regardless of the rail size. The rotary coal dump would find a home on my layout since regular hoppers could be used. So basically, it's not the operating accessories--it's the appearance of them that needs to be addressed. Bob Werre PhotoTraxx On 4/21/13 11:28 AM, up148 wrote: Well said Bill! We don't always see eye to eye but you said that much better than I could and possibly saved me from getting booted off the forum for responding too strongly. This is an S scale forum where everyone is welcome as long as the context of their post has to do with S scale in some form or fashion. Mass produced working S gauge toy accessories are not scale modeling unless someone it converting them (somehow) to a reasonable scale model. Due to the size of our chosen gauge we all need to live in harmony, which I think benefits both sides of the fence, but we need to accept the fact that there is a huge difference between an S Flyer layout and an S scale layout. Butch Holtgrieve http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwajI4bWNyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI1MjE5MARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUzNDY3MzEEbXNnSWQDOTU5MzYEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMzY2NTYxNjkz?act=replymessageNum=95936 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: What is scale.....??
I have an idea. Let's all learn to distinguish between Ed's rhetorical questions and those that are truly more tangible. I can imagine the twinkle in Ed's eyes when he throws one of his classic 'r' bombs at the list. This was quite blatant. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Loizeaux@... wrote: Ed, Why not just 1/64th scale. I was thinking that folks would like a definition to distinguish between the different kinds of S-sized trains. For decades now, 'AF' meant Gilbert Flyer and 'scale' meant conforming to NMRA/NASG specs and 'hi-rail' meant everything in between frequently called S 'gauge'. Are these definitions now being tossed out the window in favor of something else? Does that not cover the whole theme of S. Sort of maybe..but only if you consider AF and some hi-rail to truly be 1:64 as opposed to a mere approximation. I am not sure it makes sense to lump brass imports and plastic tinplate into the same bucket. That would be more confusing than helpful. In my book it does. You are entitled to the dictionary of your choice. This is the land of freedom! We are all 1/64th scale either high rail or what you all call scale. Wellthat is the main point: Is the word 'scale' appropriate to use when talking about Flyonel or something else that is not really precisely 1/64th of the prototype size in all possible respects? What I was looking for was an answer to the question of whether Brooks layout is scale or not. In order to answer that question, I need to know the precise definition of 'scale'. So far, I don't hear a really good definition. To my way of thinking, a good definition would clearly distinguish RTR tinplate from precision authenticity in order to prevent confusion and misunderstanding when communicating. Maybe there is no way to define 'scale' the way we S guys commonly use it? Thinking, always thinking.Ed Loizeaux Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Cylindrical Hoppers Released?
Has the cylindrical covered hopper actually been released? Ben Trousdale ... I am giving Lionel the win by a nose for promoting scale S by clearly dividing traditional American Flyer and their new scale line. But their just out modern hopper has ALL very imagineered paint schemes on them leaving the modern modeler to paint a very brand new car Thank You, Bill Lane Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: New Catalogs
From a modern scaler point of view not much doing except for the new diesel from Lionel. Not in the paint schemes (yet, I hope) that I'm looking for. Where are the modern freight cars to go with the new modern diesels? I was surprised by MTH's multiple ore/hopper car offerings - 6 pack and two individual cars for a total of 8 different numbers. Also surprised they came out of the chute with the ore cars. I will want to wait and see if they are the same as the original offerings before commiting to adding more to my Milwaukee Road fleet. And yeowzers is right on the truck and scale wheel pricing. It appears MTH is not offering both hirail and scale wheels in the box - that scale have to be ordered separately. How/if cars are ordered with scale wheels is confusing to me. After over extending my wad on purchases this year this modeler doesn't feel the urge to snap up anything from either of these catalogs. Harumph! Ben Trousdale P.S. OK... Ma-a-a-a-aybe the Y3 with Fred's wheels. And from last year's another BNSF SD70Ace with different number once the scale wheels become available. --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, up148 up148@... wrote: Incredible timing that they both hit the market at the same time. I'm sure that was a hectic race. I just took a very quick cursory look and have some brief comments. The disappointing aspect to me is both catalogs (as presented) are so A/F Hi-Rail oriented. Heck, Lionel even calls it an A/F catalog and believe me I felt like I just slipped back 50-60 years and was looking at an old A.C Gilbert catalog. Nice toys but virtually nothing that interests me. MTH is a little better, but the paint scheme on the UP F-3 is wrong. How can you paint an F3 loco wrong when there are so many examples in other gauges plus SHS's example to work from. Don't know about the other locos paint schemes but they all look more toylike than the SHS locos they're replacing (at least to me). And the 40ft steel rebuilt boxcars have gray colored brake wheels on otherwise prototype colored cars. Pleasee. Pretty much what I expected from these two but I was still hoping. I saw Atlas dumb down the Red Caboose and PD O scale GP9's and F3's so why should Lionel and MTH be any different in S. I think my current stock of SHS locos and rolling stock just became a whole lot more valuable..at least to me. Butch Holtgrieve Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: MTH Truck wheels prices
Now if zombies were the THING back in 1949 the way they are the THING now I would really be excited about the zombie zipping back and forth on the roof walk. Need a trailing reefer with fresh brains. And a tank car lettered Dracula's Fresh Bite next to a Tropocana Fresh Squeeze tank would really make my day. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Borgmeyer cborgmeyer@... wrote: Not overly excited by the freight car paint schemes? I was doing cartwheels when I saw that AF zombie walking brakeman car!!! That's exactly what S needs. Now I'm all excited hoping for the Twilight () tank o' blood vampire tank car in 2014. Chris Borgmeyer Re: MTH Truck wheels prices Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:04 am (PDT) . Posted by:Pieter Roos pieter_roosI'm not overly exicited by the freight car paint schemes... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Fast Tracks for SHS (MTH) Rail ???
I think they used to. I don't see it listed now, though they have jigs for code 70, 100 and 125 rail by Micro Engineering. Maybe they will offer them again now that the track will soon be back on the market. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: I wonder if there are Fast Tracks jigs for making #6 turnouts using SHS (MTH) rail? I would like to have more of Tom's turnouts but he wrote me that he is no longer accepting orders. - Earl Henry, Nashville Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Ugh! Paint Matching
I'm ready to paint my coupler mounting pads and infill pieces for the AM SD60s. I need to match the GM demonstrator blue and the BNSF olive green. So far I've determined that Polly Scale Conrail Blue is a little too dark. My next guess might be BM blue. Any guidance? Ben Trousdale Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} A busy evening on the Soo Line and MHRy Western Division
There was a time warp and a BNSF modern coal train wound its way over the tracks of the Soo Line and MHRy at Ken Zieska's. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A45pzlwivQIfeature=youtu.be Heading the coal train is a BNSF SD70ACe with BNSF SD60 lashed to it trailed by 24 Bethgon Coal Porters. Music to the eyes and ears. Ben Trousdale Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} SD60 Frame-mounted couplers
I'm nearing completion of a project to frame-mount KD802 couplers to an AM SD60. I'm curious to how other people have done this. Ben Trousdale Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} AM S12 Repower Project - Cracked Axle Gears
Last spring I purchased a pair of SD60 demonstrator schemes at a model RR show.
One of the units didn't run very well. When I took it apart one of the axles
had a cracked gear. It didn't matter so much because I had to replace the
wheels anyway because they were highrail. Rather than order from AM and get
.125 code wheels I decided to order from NWSL.
Still I wondered whether this was a one-off problem or something more systemic.
I've had issues with AM universal joint sockets cracking on the motor and
other shafts in the power train.
Ben Trousdale
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Matt nsrc119@... wrote:
Dave,
At this point, I'm considering dumping the entire mess on eBay and going back
to HO or O scale...or wait to see what MTH and Lionel offer for an S scale
switcher...or purchase a SHS loco via eBay...or take up another hobby.
Most likely I'll send the wheelsets back to Ron at American Models. No sense
torturing Dave at NWSL with this nonsense.
Matt Hogan
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, David Engle rirocket@ wrote:
R U contacting Mr. Bashista, or NWSL?
Dave Engle
--- On Mon, 4/8/13, North Stratford nsrc119@ wrote:
From: North Stratford nsrc119@
Subject: {S-Scale List} AM S12 Repower Project - Cracked Axle Gears
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 8, 2013, 7:09 AM
Â
Group,
All the axle gears on my AM Baldwin S12 loco are cracked. The attached
photo shows to two worst.
Matt Hogan
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{S-Scale List} Re: Cracked Axle Gears
It seems to me if I put down $200 to $300 for a toy locomotive it ought to last longer than 5 to 10 years. I have had only one cracked gear in my sizable stable of AM locomotives and am hopeful that the cracked gear is a great exception and not the rule. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Loizeaux@... wrote: At this point, I'm considering dumping the entire mess on eBay and going back to HO or O scale Matt Hogan As plastic ages, it outgases, becomes brittle and cracks quite easily. Happens all the time when plastic parts are press-fitted to metal parts. Happens in all scales even on expensive imported brass models. Usually it happens five or ten years later -- you just got it sooner. Perhaps you got an old model that had been sitting in the warehouse for many years. Or, perhaps a bad batch of plastic pellets were used to make the gears in the first place. Who knows? Lotsa possibilities. AM is good about fixing problems and it would be worthwhile giving them a chance. The saddest part of all this is that the problem is totally preventable by using splines or flats on the metal shaft. The extra cost to do this is minimal and should have become an industry standard 30 years ago. Good luckEd Loizeaux Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Reducing Slack in Kadee S Scale Couplers - see attached
I've been taking time between layouts after our move to upgrade cars including reducing slack in the 802s by the method included in the instructions. The rod inside the spring restricts the side-to-side action of the coupler. I think the amount of the restriction depends upon the length of the rod and if the rod is too short then there is no reduction in the back-and-forth slack or the reduction in slack is not worth the effort. Assembling the couplers with the rod in the spring is yet another learned art of eye-hand coordination. Those little rods just love to slide out of the spring if you tip it the wrong way from the bench to the coupler box. Testing coupled cars with the reduced slack on Lionel's AF FastTrack curve has not revealed a problem with restricted side-to-side. My first field test of the modified couplers was on Ken's layout with the 24 coal porters. It was great to see the train start without all the slack and the associated noise. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, richgajnak rustytraque@... wrote: I started to double up the centering springs about a year ago. It seems to reduce the slack bouncy-bouncy quite a bit with no ill effects. I don't know if it affects the magnetic uncoupling, I only do manual uncoupling. Rich G(ajnak) --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, North Stratford nsrc119@ wrote: Group, According to the instructions packaged with Kadee couplers, it is possible to reduce/eliminate the slack action, see attached illustration. Thanks, Matt Hogan Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Reducing Slack in Kadee S Scale Couplers - see attached
KD says 0.156. I think that translates to 5/32. That seemed a little long
and created huge difficulites inserting the spring into the slot with available
tools. I don't recall precisely - partly because I'm using a NWSL Chopper to
cut lengths - but it was just on either side of 1/8. The coal porters were a
little different because they have their own boxes.
Ben Trousdale
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Roger Nulton roger.nulton@... wrote:
Ben and Matt,
So what is the best length for the rod?
Thanks,
Roger Nulton
From: pickycat95
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:36 AM
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: Reducing Slack in Kadee S Scale Couplers - see
attached
I've been taking time between layouts after our move to upgrade cars
including reducing slack in the 802s by the method included in the
instructions. The rod inside the spring restricts the side-to-side action of
the coupler. I think the amount of the restriction depends upon the length of
the rod and if the rod is too short then there is no reduction in the
back-and-forth slack or the reduction in slack is not worth the effort.
Assembling the couplers with the rod in the spring is yet another learned art
of eye-hand coordination. Those little rods just love to slide out of the
spring if you tip it the wrong way from the bench to the coupler box. Testing
coupled cars with the reduced slack on Lionel's AF FastTrack curve has not
revealed a problem with restricted side-to-side.
My first field test of the modified couplers was on Ken's layout with the 24
coal porters. It was great to see the train start without all the slack and
the associated noise.
Ben Trousdale
--- In mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com, richgajnak rustytraque@ wrote:
I started to double up the centering springs about a year ago. It seems to
reduce the slack bouncy-bouncy quite a bit with no ill effects. I don't
know if it affects the magnetic uncoupling, I only do manual uncoupling.
Rich G(ajnak)
--- In mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com, North Stratford nsrc119@ wrote:
Group,
According to the instructions packaged with Kadee couplers, it is
possible to reduce/eliminate the slack action, see attached illustration.
Thanks,
Matt Hogan
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{S-Scale List} Re: SD70ACe and DC
I've never heard of that throttle. Prevoius discussion on this list suggested that they will not work on DC with pulse. I also don't know what that means. I got mine to work forwards and backwards in AC mode, but only one direction in DC mode. The reverse switch on the transformer only caused it to not move. This was all done when I was having trouble getting it to work in DCC to see if the motors worked. Some helpful suggestions from members on this list cleared up the DCC issue and there's been no looking back. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, sscale@... wrote: Has anyone else tried to run these using the old NASG module throttles? (Yes, I know I have to get with the 21st century one of these days.)Apart from the (annoying) sound effects, they pretty much only want to run in reverse, though if I do a few quick throttle direction manipulations, I can get forward motion.I assume this has to do with the DC waveform. When I scoped these throttles years ago, they appeared to start out with half-wave power, and then gradually filled in the gaps as the throttle setting increased.Stan Stokrocki Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} SD70 and other nonsense
Thanks to everyone who responded on and off list. It does appear the CVs were wiped clean. I did the quick fix of setting the speed table while selecting the loco on the throttle. I'll put it on the programming track after it returns from an extended stay at Ken's. We had a great showing at Ken's last night with the SD70 head ending a two loco consist with trailing SD60 pulling 24 Bethgon Coal Porters. They worked, looked and sounded great with the only real difficulty caused by the talgo mounted couplers on the SD60 going through a couple of slightly iffy turnouts. I'm working on my first frame-mounted couplers on a current upgrade project of an SD60 demonstrator scheme. Tom Lennon took video that we will somehow figure out how to post. In spite of the raw shot of railroad testorine, Ken has decided to give up on S-scale because he can't quite figure out which coupler to use, or maybe because he still couldn't read the really fine print on the high-voltage signs on the side of the SD70 through the magnifying glass and figured the print wasn't quite fine enough and needs to go to a different and more obsure scale for better fidelity. I stopped listening while he was still droning on after putting on the magnifying gear. Look for a whole slug of used S scale equipment at fire sale prices. Ben Trousdale Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: SD70 and other nonsense
Well why stop there? The Jolly Green Giant of Le Soeur, MN fame southwest of the Twin Cities might have a hard time with 1:1 and might be happier 3:1 scale or some such. 1:1 is his garden railway! Just think of us mere normal-size people having to look the wrong way through the binoculars to see the whole locomotive or freight car. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, richgajnak rustytraque@... wrote: --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Michael Greene mgreene@ wrote: Ben Glad to hear it is running. Ken might want to consider 1:16 scale (aka 3/4 scale) -- a much better scale for tired eyes and/or finer detail, and an even larger windmill than S at which to tilt!! :-) A small but growing scale (where have I heard that before?) regards Michael Greene I've found 1:1 scale offers almost the best detail and fidelity. The only downside is it takes up a wee bit more space and it's pretty hard getting it out of the box. Rich G(ajnak) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} SD70ACe
I'm seriously not getting something in DCC mode. I put the monster on the tracks, get the sound going, the lighting and sound functions work, but it won't move. Can someone out there help? Ben Trousdale Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Speculative Sidings
I see The List has gone off on one of its favorite side tracks again. Time to tune out for a week or so. Ben Trousdale Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} LEDs for Ditch Lights?
What have modelers used for ditch lights for AM SD60s? Ben Trousdale Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: U-joint vs. Springs.....
Last spring or over the summer I had NWSL make two new sets of wheel sets for AM SD60 because I had purchased two AC/hirail at a flea market. I sent them an axle so that they would know what they had to duplicate. They came back with the bearings too wide to fit in the gear tower castings. They were very good about it and fixed the problem promptly. So there is confusion to go around with the different generations of AM drives and bearings. There is way too much side-to-side play in the center axles of the Train Masters and SD60s. Certainly no need to worry about blind flanges on 6 radius ;) track. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bob Werre bob@... wrote: Okay Roger, now you have me wondering--why the different types. Seems as though one is as good as the others. Just a few years ago, I started but never finished changing out all my AM engines to the NWSL wheelsets. The last swap out did cause some problems. I finally sent them my original AM wheelsets and they just added the new wheels. I was confused, NWSL was confused so I wonder how AM keeps things straight. We also had some confusion over the middle axle on my PA's, and the FM Trainmaster. AM designed it to slide to accomodate sharp radii hi-rail track. At this moment I don't recall what we did, but I do know that it sometimes it's hard to position that middle axle on the track. Perhaps most of that play could be removed for scale rail. Bob Werre PhotoTraxx On 3/19/13 12:31 PM, Roger Nulton wrote: NWSL used to make all of the different type bearings that AM came up with. Round,square and half round are the ones that I remember, there may be others? You might check with them. Roger Nulton *From:* wsquinn mailto:wsquinn@... *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2013 7:25 AM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: U-joint vs. Springs.....
Lots to chew on: My Baldwin spring drive is so springy that it caused the wheels to pick the diamond of my curve through curve diamond because it kept wanting to straigten the truck alignment with the motor drive. It got put back on the shelf until time allows an overhaul. On the newer drives with the plastic universals, the sockets have a tendency to crack and slip. Now when I install DCC and sound I fit aluminum (or brass) tubing snugly over the shaft end of the socket to reinforce them. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bob Werre bob@... wrote: Rich, My Baldwin switcher had the spring drive. I never owned a slinky but that came pretty close. I replaced a mess of them for a friend on GP-35's and maybe GP-9's too. I think it was a matter of time span rather than loco type. The original FP-7's were built with those durable HobbyTown sets--been running fine from day one. I'm going through an issue with my on again off again, gray market brass GP-30's. I replaced the rubber coupling with a plastic one. The rubber one had started to slip, the local RC shop sold me some fuel line and that wasn't any better, so I tried plastic universals but that made things worse. There must be a mis-alignment but I don't have the time to devote to fixing that right now--so be careful when you ditch the rubber (aka forgiving) drive connection. Bob Werre PhotoTraxx On 3/18/13 1:28 PM, richgajnak wrote: If I recall correctly, the only AM locomotive equipped with drive coupling pen-springs was the GP35. They seem to work OK, but I've never really loaded down the 35's, nor do I intend to. I seem to also recall a great wailing and gnashing of teeth when the GP35's came out because of the pen-spring couplings. All the other AM locomotive I have, both new and old, have the good old ball and socket drive couplings. For decades, the ball and socket couplings (or variations there of) are pretty much used in all of the scales using horizontal drives. Even Athearn used a ball and socket variant to connect the drive shafts to the motor of their Hi-F(rubberband) drive RDC's. That should indicate something. One of the biggest failings of my long gone Sunset Challenger was the neoprene tubing between the motor and the rear engine, which was apparently used because the motor and worm shafts were not the same diameter. This is not to say the ball and socket won't fail, some have occasionally. But there is a proven track record for reliability with the ball and socket. Pen-spring and neoprene tubing for couplings are so 1950's. Why take a step backwards? Rich G(ajnak) --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com, Ed Loizeaux@ wrote: Are U-joint drives preferred over the pen springs Will Quinn Why not just experiment with the AM pen springs and the ball/socket connectors (NWSL) and see which provides the best performance? Matt Hogan If you really want to seriously compare the two, I would suggest a test drive with a heavily loaded train being pulled up a grade. Lots of cars or fewer hopper/gondola cars filled with sand. With a heavy load, the differences between the two will become quite apparent. Running the loco by itself or with a light load will not necessarily illustrate any difference at all. Let us know what you discover. Ed Loizeaux Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: shs track
I just checked the listing. 66 pieces of 36 RAIL = 2 bundles with 33 pieces each. Bidding going up fast and furious. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, clipper841@... clipper841@... wrote: anyone looking for shs track, there are 66 pieces listed on ebay #290881477123, not affiliated with, nor do i even know the individual mel perry Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} SD70ACe
I finally completed the modifications to fix the pilot and mount the KD 802s. There were a few challenges along the way. The biggest was the heavy metal frame at a slight warp at the front end, which caused the fixed pilot to mount cock-eyed to the shell. The frame is too heavy for me to try to correct. Instead I shortened one of the off-set spacers. For good measure because I did not know the clearance behind the frame I shortened its screw, too. To correct the coupler height issue I used a pair of Walthers 0.80 brass washers between the mounting bracket and the frame when attaching the bracket. Note: The directions to mount the KDs only tell you how to remove the claw and install the KD. They do not tell you how to fix the pilot. Resting on the track the center wheel of each truck does not touch the rail head. My speculation is that the springs on which the outside end axles rest (the only axles with springs) might be too stiff. Another anomoly is that the locomotive has a slight rack with the back end being slightly higher than the lower. No speculation yet on this issue. Next stop, I hope, will be a test run on Ken Z's layout pulling a 24 car string of coal porters. Ben Trousdale Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} the SD70ACe
That's how I read it - whole truck assembly. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, ken garber garber.ken@... wrote: I get the impression you can't get wheels but rather wheel assemblies: 6408166770 / FRONT 6-WHEEL POWERED TRUCK / A-F SD-70 HI-RAIL WHEELS 2 $60.00 http://www.lionel.com/media/partimages330/382614408166770.jpg 6408166772 / REAR 6-WHEEL POWERED TRUCK / A-F SD-70 HI-RAIL WHEELS 3 $60.00 http://www.lionel.com/media/partimages330/382615408166772.jpg Ken Garber On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Tom Hawley t.hawley@... wrote: ** Anybody know the Lionel part number for the scale wheels for the SD70ACe ? I can't make any sense out their web site. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Loose Screws and Steps Backwards
As is sometimes typical, I took one step backwards before making any progress on installing KD802s on my new SD70ACe. That was I ground the philips head out of the top of the one of the bracket mounting screws. It got more involved after that when I realized the instructions do not tell you how to fix the pilot to the frame. Accomplishing that revealed that the frame was not mounted square to the shell because there is a little extra glob where the wiring for the left ditch light enters into the innards. So now I need to take the entire shell off to remove the glob. So now I'm about 5 steps backwards and the problem remains that I have a lame loose screw and need to find a replacement. Is there a good source for these tiny machine thread screws? Ben Trousdale Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} More on Steps Backwards and Rules of Modeling
Thanks to Michael and Bill for suggestions on where to find new screws. Has anyone ever compiled basic precepts or rules of modeling along the lines of sound wisdom? A few of mine might be: 1. Have no fear. 2. Screw it up frequently - that way you will better understand what you're doing. That's what happened on my coupler install and pilot pinning of my SD70ACe. It's all done now except for adjusting coupler height. I had to take enough of it apart causing a few 'oops' that required more disassembly that I have pretty good understand of how the whole thing fits together. Ben Trousdale Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Couplers in Perspective.......
With all this talk about couplers I'm beginning to wonder if this list is a dating and mating service where passions run high. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, richgajnak rustytraque@... wrote: --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Loizeaux@ wrote: In the end, I suspect personal taste and familiarity is what makes the decision for most of us. I am happy with my choice and I hope everyone else is happy with theirs. Happier than a human ought to be...Ed Loizeaux Ed, I'm so happy with S, it ought to be illegal! Rich G(ajnak) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} code 125 ns flex track
My first serious layout (just demolished last summer) was code .125 hand-laid and ran virtually flawlessly except where my cheap benchwork created levelness issues around some turnouts. I salvaged the majority of the trackwork and turnouts. The rail is little tall but once weathered that goes away some. I'm interested in the concrete ties to go along with the salvaged track using the latter in sidings side-by-side with concrete. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Loizeaux@... wrote: is there enough market for code 125, in order for paul to re-coup his original investment, AND make a profit?, mel perry My first S scale layout used code 125 rail on ACE ties. It worked well and most, but not all, AF ran on it also. I just hope Paul realizes that some AF products had huger-than-usual flanges which will bump along the ties. I do not remember exactly which AF items had the super-huge flanges, but some others on the List can probably help with the specifics. It is a decent compromise to permit both scale and AF on the same rail size. On a slightly different note, it is interesting to compare reactions to the same posted message. While Tom's message talked about punctuation and spelling, the real concept Tom was suggesting is that image is very important -- especially when starting a new company unfamiliar to any of us. Image, trust, quality, intelligence, education, etc. are all very subjective matters and are worthy of particular care. I felt Tom was trying to be helpful to point this out to a newbie manufacturer, but agree his choice of words was not ideal. Cheers...Ed Loizeaux Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Scale wheel SD70ACe: Availability
I purchased my scale-wheeled BNSF SD70ACe from Trainworld. But I ran into 'the distributors being out of stock' when I first looked for a scale-wheeled U33c in the Milwaukee scheme at my LHS. I also found one at Trainworld - though judging by a string of contradictory emails I may have got their last one. That was a few months ago. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, richgajnak rustytraque@... wrote: The Union Pacific(heritage paint and standard,) KCS(both versions,) BNSF, NS(standard paint,) and CSX SD70's all are available with scale wheels, if you can find them. They are apparently sold out at the distributors. DesPlaines had some scale wheel SD70's in stock as of 2/24/13. The Norfolk Southern hertiage paint SD70's due out later this year, are not currently cataloged as having scale wheels available. Rich G(ajnak) --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, ctxmf74 ctxm@ wrote: --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Loizeaux@ wrote: I'm still not clear if the confusion over ordering scale wheels has been resolved. In my case, I am accepting the premise that scale wheels will soon be offered as a separate product which can be installed by the customer into the SD70. As far as I know, Lionel has not officially made that statement, but I have heard it from a trusted source. So, in my case, I will keep my fingers crossed and forge ahead. Hi Ed, Didn't someone say they just got a new scale wheeled loco from DesPlaines hobbies? On Saturday, FedEx delivered a Lionel SD70ACe UP #8348 with scale wheels from my friends at Des Plaines Hobbies. I've had time over the last two days to do a fairly extension examination, and put several hours of run time on it. Is the confusion about just certain models or paint schemes being offed with scale wheels or is it more complicated than what I see? ..DaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Lionel Cyl Hoppers
Me, too, in regards to both! I've got 5 or 6 back ordered. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, kelvin@... wrote: Greetings all I've found the Lionel SD70 discussions rather infantile - but I've stayed on the list as I hoped someone would mention the release date of the cyl hoppers? Anyone? Thanks Kelvin White Ashendon England Modelling the ELS WC in 1995. -- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: closed frog turnout
Scott, A closed frog turnout is typically one where the wingrail/closure rail assembly at the frog close the gap between the closure rail and rails that form the 'V' of the frog. This can be accomplished usually one of two ways. The points and wing rail at the frog pivot around an axis so that when the points close against the stock rail the wing of the closure rail of that point presses against the frog. Another is a little flipper at the frog flangeway that points in the right direction filling the flangeway gap depending upon which position the points are in. These two approaches provide continuous rail without flangeway gap at the frog from point to frog. It eliminates the need for the guard rails at the rails opposing the frog. Guard rails that are designed to accept hi-rail wheels create flangeway guides that are too wide for scale wheels because they do not pull the truck snug with the opposing rail. This increases the chance that the wheels will pick the frog. If guard rails are designed for scale wheels, hirail wheel flanges don't fit and ride up over the top and can cause derailment. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Scott Huston steamtramper@... wrote: Good Morning Pieter. This is the second time this week I have heard of a closed frog turnout. Could you please explain what this is? I haven't heard the term before so am unfamiliar with it. Thanks, Scott Huston, Las Vegas Nevada Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: SD70-ACe First Look
I took delivery of a scale version on Tuesday -BNSF. Very nice looking unit with crisper detailing than the AM SD 60. I think that might partly be a result of a thicker and somewhat glossier paint on the AM unit. Pilots pivot independently of the trucks. I haven't had a chance to run it because I haven't unearthed my DCC power and controls since the move. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, westfield_depot cborgmeyer@... wrote: The S Scale SIG is pleased to announce the first 2013 edition of The S Scale Journal. We take a first look at Lionel's new SD70-ACe locomotive scheduled for release later this year. Detailed photographs of the model and a short video accompany the article. You'll find it at http://sscale.org/988/volume-2-no-1-lionels-sd-70ace-s-scale-diesel-first-look-2/ Thanks, Chris Borgmeyer S Scale SIG Webmaster Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Quo vadis?
Simon, I am so in agreement with your argument. Get the product in the ball park and I can take it the rest of the way to my liking or the compromises that were made I can deal with or accept. How many on this list have installed DCC sound into AM locomotives? It's a similar idea. Lionel's new tooling for diesels goes a long way in this direction. The 'China' drive gears are a little unfortunate but not all that visible on the U33c and virtually disappear on the SD70ACe. They are not show stoppers for me and I'm looking forward to the cylindrical hoppers. The real challenge to this approach are steam engines. Even SHS chose not to offer interchangeable wheels on their steamer. Now if we are nice and encouraging to the majors they may decide it's worth their while to further accommodate scalers. This is why I think Fred's experiment with the Y-3 is interesting and noteworthy. But if there continues to be a lot of bitter sniping and messages sent that scalers won't buy unless the models are brass level detailing with scale wheels, then why bother? If 'tweeners' are the fastest growing segment of S, that along with the direction of ever higher level of detail and fidelity of (high-rail) models in other scales, more detailed products will be offered in S-scale anyway. Let's be encouraging because tempting product will be forthcoming and we may just get something desirable that would be hard and expensive to do as an after market or custom modification. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Simon simon_dunkley@... wrote: I have been on this list before, but re-joined a couple of months ago. I think that is usually long enough to get the flavour of things, but in this case, I really hope it isn't. Why, you may ask? Well, I suspect you won't, because it should be fairly obvious looking at some recent themes. Guys, S scale is a small interest (even smaller over here in the UK!) and we cannot afford to fall out with each other over how MTH might do something (not have already done) or hi-rail versus scale versus finescale and drive manufacturers away. The simplest message to them is, If you make sure that you have scale and proportion right, then the scale/finescale S modellers will also buy your models, so you will increase your sales. Nothing else will ultimately matter to a manufacturer engaged in mass-production. If they fit larger flanges, and either smaller wheels or jack the body up, I can deal with that. Likewise, if the pilot and couplers are truck-mounted rather than body-mounted, it is not a problem as I can deal with that, too. Just so long as the rest of it is right, I am happy, and will buy if it suits my era/locale: I am a modeller, and prepared to make and amend things. For those catering for the even smaller sub-group of (fine)scale modellers, different objectives apply, but we don't want to upset them, either: they may increase their sales of high-quality craftsman kits by advertising to the AF end of the market, too. The S Scale Model Railway Society in the UK states in its constitution that it exists to promote railway modelling to 1:64 scale. To be a member of it, you don't have to model in S scale, or indeed do any modelling, just have an interest in the scale. Can we not do the same, and if we disagree, do so gently without falling out? For pity's sake, at the end of the day, for most of us it is a hobby, and is supposed to be fun... Simon Dunkley. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: DPH Bethgons
Robert, There were 12 numbers. The stock numbers begin with SSA17011 and run through SSA17022. They are listed on Des Plaines website under S scale freight cars if you want to match car numbers to stock numbers. You have to scroll to about page 6 to find them. With the new modern locos I wish he might come out with some more road names. At one time there was talk that there might be 6 numbered BN cars to go with the 12 BNSF cars. On the other hand there are other styles of the modern hopper that one of the other manufacturers might issue. Wouldn't we modern guys be in hog heaven then? Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, unitcoaltrain unitcoaltrains@... wrote: Can anyone supply the DPH items numbers and the matching BNSF car numbers for all they did offer? How many different nubmers were offered? TIA Robert unitcoaltrains@... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Cleaning wheels on AM diesels
I just flip 'em upside down, run some leads from the track to the pick-ups, turn on the power and run a paint thinner or alcohol dipped q-tip over the running wheels, then a dry one to wipe off the excess. You could do the same thing with a similarly dipped 'aged tooth brush'. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, shabbona_rr user141771@... wrote: I have devised (out of necessity) a way to clean AM wheels. My locomotives were getting quite erratic, and when I saw the gunk built up on the wheels, the reason was obvious. However, my shoulders dropped at the thought of carving the gunk off by hand, and I don't have a Kadee wheel cleaning brush. What I fianlly did was put the locomotives upside down in the cradle I have built for them, and remove the wheel covers. Then I remove the wheels and leave them to soak in a concentrated mix of Simple Green and water. The next morning, an old toothbrush makes short work of the gunk, after which I dry the wheelsets thoroughly, relube and reinstall them. Works like a charm boB Nicholson ___ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: American Models Company
The sale is of existing stock but there is a note stating new DC hoppers will be $49.95. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, richgajnak rustytraque@... wrote: I suspect it's current old stock. And, if you take note, phone orders only for the sale items. Rich G(ajnak) --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, pickycat95 pickycat95@ wrote: I didn't know they were having a sale. The most interesting thing to me on their web site was mention of new CD covered hoppers. Does anyone know if this is a new car a new production run of the current version? Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, philpotridge philpotridge@ wrote: Afternoon Group, Just dealt with American Models for the first time. Ordered 12 cars from their Winter Sale Wednesday A.M. Arrived Friday A.M in the wilderness of central Maine. Great service and shipping ! Dick Bennett Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: American Models Company
I didn't know they were having a sale. The most interesting thing to me on their web site was mention of new CD covered hoppers. Does anyone know if this is a new car a new production run of the current version? Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, philpotridge philpotridge@... wrote: Afternoon Group, Just dealt with American Models for the first time. Ordered 12 cars from their Winter Sale Wednesday A.M. Arrived Friday A.M in the wilderness of central Maine. Great service and shipping ! Dick Bennett Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Flyonel SD70Ace
I noticed yesterday that one of the mail order places I purchase from no longer had the SD70Ace on back order. So fool that I am, I parted with some credit to be money in about 45 days and ordered a scale BNSF version. UPS says it's supposed to arrive on Tuesday next week. Having no layout at the present time I may have to take it, a BNSF SD60 and my just serviced string of 24 coal porters (coupler slack action much reduced and completely cleaned wheels) to the next club meeting a Kens, sit back and enjoy. Ben Trousdale Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: BNSF Commercial
It's the classic going into the sunset at the end of the commercial. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Tom Hawley t.hawley@... wrote: - Original Message - From: raisinone . . . . . . . near the end it looks like covered hoppers moving around a curve with bright sunshine flashing through between the cars onto concrete(?) ties... I found the video on that website and managed to stop it at the 26 second mark. I think it's just sunlight. Rail grinding would have confused hoi poloi. tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} U33C Milwaukee Numbering
Looking at one website for Milwaukee's number of the U-boats (they had very few - maybe only 2) - the version with the scale wheels had a correct number and the two high rail versions had incorrect numbers. Go figure. Ben Trousdale Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Truce! {S-Scale List} Re: New Flyonel locos run fine.......
Well... Dang! A fool and his money are soon parted? I think it's time to be a fool! Even if it does have that dreaded 'tower talk'. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, richgajnak wrote: Truce guys... This is starting to get a little nasty. Before things get out of hand, Bill Clark's (you remember him, used to do stuff for SHS?) posted a video of a Lionel Y3 upgraded to DCC. OK, his Y3's still got the deep flanges, but seeing we're addressing operation here, it doesn't matter if it's got scale flanges, Flyer flanges, tank treads or rubber golashes. Observe and decide for yourselves. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I28Wwb4cTfcfeature=youtu.be Rich G(ajnak) --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, ctxmf74 wrote: --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, pickycat95 wrote: If I were to conduct a poll on this list it would be to vote the consistently pouter posters off our island. Haha, more productive would be to get off the island and see how the rest of the world lives? You can close the windows and pretend the world is flat but that don't make it so. I've been modeling since 1957 and I still don't feel that I know enough to not want to learn more no matter what the source, pouty or giddy as a school girl I'll listen to themDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: New Flyonel locos run fine.......
There is certainly a lot of energy going into lamenting a future that might be or not be on this list. For a segment of the hobby that has historically seen a lot of begging there is certainly a lot of choosiness going on. Maybe it's time to give it and them a break and see what plays out in this new era of scale fidelitinessy-mostly-maybe-sorta product by two heavies in the industry just wading on to our tiny island. Too much choosiness might lead to self-fulfilling proficies of nothingness where there will a lot of feel bad 'I told you so's. Now that's a future to really lament. If I were to conduct a poll on this list it would be to vote the consistently pouter posters off our island. On the flip side I'm encouraged by the collaboration between Lionel and SSLS as an experimental step towards more scale offerings and by the apparent high quality of the mechanisms and detail of new product. It's mighty big of Lionel to offer a service to a small audience to reprogram their electronics. It will be even better if it still allows access to some of their special affects not usually available in DCC. Ben Trousdale Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Turnouts and track
I've been thinking about using styrene strips for tie plates. Possibly laminating a wider and two thin strips to create the recessed platform the rail rests on. I haven't tried it yet to see if this is an insane thing to attempt. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Michael Eldridge wrote: Re: the original question: my track and turnouts are all built from rail and wood ties. I cut my own ties if anybody wants to know. Starting new: I'm considering using styrene strip to simulate tie plates (I couldn't get paint to stick to Tomalco tie plates). I'm using Walthers spikes (more consistent than MicroEngineering, slightly smaller head than ME smalls), not willing to use microspikes or Proto87 spikes - too difficult to handle = too much time. Any track switch now takes me about an hour to build - that includes bolt and plate detail. I would probably use ProtoCraft frogs if they had sizes I want. I don't use any fixture (FastTracks). I can build three or four switches in the amount of time it took to assemble and weather a PRS boxcar. -Michael Eldridge -Still preparing the room, which took way too long --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, ctxmf74 wrote: --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, gsc3 wrote: I use Tomalco flex track and Tomalco switches except for one Shinohara. If I had to make my own switches from scratch I'd leave the hobby. With a little experience building a switch is no more difficult than any other modeling task, building stuff is what we do. If one has to worry about the commercial turnouts not being what they want or being reliable in operation then building your own is a logical way to overcome the problems. In S scale building your own makes a lot of sense as the commercial products are few and high priced but even in the other scales it can be a good option, I'm working on an N scale shelf layout now and am thinking I'll build my own despite the large selection of N turnouts as I know I can make better operating ones than the factory canDaveBranum Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Scale Lionel Y3
I'm a modern guy but really love these big steamers for excursion service. Problem is they keep getting bigger and better looking. I have two AM Northerns and now this Y-3 in SF looks very tempting with the SSLS conversion. What's a guy on a budget to do? What is the definition of success for this program to continue? Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Fred Rouse wrote: Following is the correct information concerning the Y3. In my opinion,the Lionel Y3 was designed as a scale engine and adapted to run on AF track by using deep flanges, narrower gauge and blind center drivers. It is mainly constructed of very nice die castings with lost wax and etched brass details. I have been working on this since late November when I received an unpainted Lionel engineering sample. I have been making fixtures and a run of my( Non magnetic !) stainless steel tires specifically for this engine. My first converted production engine is making its debut at the O SCALE WEST / S WEST meet this weekend. The following is taken from the handout being used on my behalf. I hope someone takes photos or a video of it pulling a train of hoppers on Ed Loizeauxs layout during his open house. LIONEL Y-3 2-8-8-2 CONVERSION TO S SCALE SERVICE S Scale Locomotive Supply (SSLS) is pleased to announce a cooperative relationship with Lionel to provide scale conversion services for selected Lionel locomotives. The Y-3 2-8-8-2 articulated is the first locomotive being offered under this program. It is anticipated that other locomotives will follow if the Y-3 effort is successful. The Lionel Y-3 comes in the following factory-painted road names: Norfolk and Western, Pennsylvania, Santa Fe, Union Pacific, Virginian. The SSLS conversion services for the Lionel Y-3 include the following two items: 1. SCALE CONVERSION-- All driver sets are disassembled and the AF tread/tire is cut off. The Lionel cast wheel center then has the AF flange machined off and is narrowed for new custom SSLS tires. Using a special fixture, the precisely machined driver casting is carefully pressed into the new tire. The driver sets are then reassembled and quartered. The tender, pilot and trailing truck wheels are removed and replaced with scale wheels. All wheels are gauged to NMRA/NASG standards.-- All 32 wheels have the NMRA/NASG RP-25 code 110 contour.-- All driver treads/tires are flanged stainless steel custom made specifically for this engine.-- Kadee S coupler installed on tender. Lionel scale dummy coupler remains on pilot.-- No changes to the Lionel internal electronics. Boiler not removed from chassis.-- Allow 4-6 weeks for completion of conversion.-- One year SSLS warranty. Free repair for SSLS wheel problems only.-- Customer ships his locomotive to SSLS. SSLS does not sell Lionel products.-- Note: Standard Lionel warranty is voided upon modification by anyone including SSLS.-- Cost: $550 plus return shipping. Payment due upon completion of work.-- Return shipping: Parcel Post=$35, Priority Mail=$55 (both include $1,500 insurance)-- Major credit cards accepted. 2. LIONEL/DCC CONVERSION-- Conversion to Lionel/DCC is a software upgrade only.-- No change to Lionel internal electronics.-- Cost: $75 For more information and questions, contact:Fred RouseS SCALE LOCOMOTIVE SUPPLY 6721 East Blue Heron LaneInverness, FL 34452Phone: (352) 344-4654Email: fred@.../ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: my new hump track
Bill, Starting to look like the Milwaukee Road! Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bill Lane wrote: I did not plan it. It sort of just happened! (:-) All the better reason to let a layout go for at least a year before doing major ballasting or worse, covering it up with a new upper deck of benchwork. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progess at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Intro and question about the SMMW 44 and 70 tonner/DCC
Brian, You'll have to find one first. The SMMW 44 and 70 tonners were short runs and not that many were made. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Brian LaManna wrote: Hi folks! I'm Brian. I live in New Brunswick province of Canada, although I'm originally from New Jersey. I model a bit in 3 rail Hi Rail, HO and S. I'm looking to model a freelanced 1950's era New Jersey shortline (think Middletown Unionville/Morristown Erie/Rahway Valley) S scale on a shelf layout. I'm interested in either the Smokey Mountain Model Works 44 or 70 tonner. I'm not the greatest builder of things (great scale to be in, I know), but either of these, along with a S Helper/MTH 2-8-0 would be great shortline motive power. What I'm curious is: has anyone built one of these guys and added DCC and sound? Thoughts? Pros? Cons? Thanks! Brian LaManna/Moncton, NB Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: New Curved crossover
I dunno, Bill. It's going to take a lot impress this old track hand. When I see a curved double crossover through a curved diamond per Vommissement du Chat junction on the now defunct Benn Central then I'll be impressed. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bill Lane wrote: My new curved crossover arrived first thing this morning. It was very custom made for me using S Helper Service rail and the Protocraft code 138 turnout casting kits I have been referencing. The castings took a lot of the heavy lifting out of such a complex design. This one is so trains leaving the passenger station area can cross back to the outside main. Another crossover is coming but is in the opposite direction, so trains on the outside main can cross over and access the passenger area. So far the trains in the passenger station area have all been from the inside main. I was going to do a temporary install using ground throws but I have decided to power it up and install the Hankscraft turnout motors too. This will be the first time I have done this since the layout has been assembled and running. All previous turnout motors were installed while the layout sections were sitting vertically. The white center section is sheet styrene shims because of the height difference from the wood ties to the PC ties. About 6 inches of the center of the crossover is all PC ties. It about 3 feet long and is bulletproof for sure! I am really glad it is finally here. This will greatly add to the operating capabilities, especially once the 2nd crossover is in place. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progess at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: speaking of trucks....
At some point AM added raised lettering to their roller bearing trucks. I also
routinely install SHS wheels in AM trucks and NWSL makes pointed axle wheel
sets of two different lenghts only a few thousandths of an inch different from
each other. I seem to remember one is label NASG and other (shorter) SHS.
What is perplexing to me regarding AM is how much of, if any, 'China made' has
made it back into production in the US. And does this extend to trucks and
wheels?
Ben Trousdale
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Roger Nulton wrote:
What about American Models? I think that they have even improved the wheels
and gotten away from the sintered iron wheels. I use SHS or NWSL wheelsets
in AM trucks with good success.
Roger Nulton
From: Rusty
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 8:54 PM
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Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: speaking of trucks
Currently, no options for scale
RUSTERMIER
--- In mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com, Charles Weston wrote:
What are our options for freight car trucks these days?
Charles Weston
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{S-Scale List} Re: Aliens capture Pines and Prairies S Scale Workshop guys
Maybe muppet avatars. I did seem to have greenish haze in my eyesight tonight while sanding and fitting Kermit building parts. Does anyone know what Miss Piggy was really up to tonight? Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, mhrywest wrote: I don't know what happened tonight we had a PPSSW meeting, good turn out and just about everyone went to work on projects. I have not seen this much work done during a PPSSW meeting for 20 years! Now perhaps all the goldbrickers stayed home tonight, maybe it was the new year but wow what a great evening. Ron Kemp brought is Kermit's Chemical, that kept four people busy just sanding a fitting pieces together. Tom Lennon and Dave Aanerud were laying bridge ties, couple of guys were working DCC things. I just didn't know what to think, Marilyn came down and I asked her to look carefully at the guys to see if they might be space aliens posing as PPSSW guys. Anyway, as I said, great meeting, lots done and we didn't even have our new president to provide leadership. Happy New Year from the PPSSW. Ken Zieska Note to West Coast Rusty, sorry, never saw an email. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Camera for Christmas
Another thing you may want to consider is video. It can be very satisfying and adds a whole dimension to shooting the layout or other action scenes and events. I have a Pentax DSLR from a three years ago. It doesn't shoot video. Current models do. The next camera I buy will have video. I haven't decided when that will happen. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, gsc3 gsc3@... wrote: Group, I received money for a digital camera for Christmas. Anyone recommend a all-purpose camera $500 and under that would still take decent layout shots? Anyone have such a animal? Most of the photos will be vacations and such. Thanks, George Courtney Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Tie Plates for Rhett
Oh, come on guys. Let's get real. Why not model after the source? http://www.atlantictrack.com/The%20Source%20Book.pdf Though they don't have those hooked bars that you see on both sides of ties about every other tie. What are those? Looking for yet another way to go overboard: Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, scale S only scalesonly@... wrote: Hi Michael and all -- I started using the Grandt On3 tieplates at least 25 years ago, and they are a bit oversized for S, but they donât exceed the standard gauge tie width unless they are not perfectly square with the tie. That does make them a bit tricky at times.When I run out of them, I will revert to my stock of Evergreen styrene strip (.010 x 1/8â) which is âclose enoughâ. Once all the ties plates of any maker are painted, they are almost indistinguishable from each other or the plain styrene strip. I believe that Dick Karnes and some others just carry the rail paint onto the ties either side of the rail base just a bit, and that is âgood enoughâ and again hard to tell from a real tie plate installation, unless you are up close and looking straight down on it. Happy New Year! Bill Winans --- I think these are wider than S Scale ties (they are an O Scale part). I looked at them at the Train Shop, and didn't think I could use them. -Michael Eldridge Grandt Line makes plastic tie plates for S scale. Click here: Ed Loizeaux Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Drivers, Flanges
The U33c highrail wheels (tire and flange) are wider than their scale counterparts, but not the entire wheel. The scale wheels have a spacer on the back side that is part of the wheel. It appears the wheels might be what limits the side-to-side action of the wheel set. Because the tire and flange of the scale version is narrower they had to add the spacer to the tooling. In addition to turning down the flange one would have to turndown the thickness of the tire and add the appropriate washers on the backside of the wheel. All trivial work for a good machinest. For the rest of us this is a big deal. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Tom Hawley t.hawley@... wrote: Interesting idea. I looked at the highrail wheels that came with my U33C and the flange was very close to what we call scale. Not much turning would be required. But the wheel-to-wheel measurement (check-gauge) was way off, too close. And if I were turning down wheel flanges, I think I'd try to get the wheelsets out of the truck somehow to keep the filings out of the gears. tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Drivers, Flanges and the Y3
Maybe just too juicy not to have one. Time to order another storage cabinet. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, richgajnak rustytraque@... wrote: I just pulled this off the OGR S Scale board, after a comment made during my evil twin's quickie review of the Y3, about wishing it had scale wheels: --- A scale wheel conversion is probably going to be available via a 3rd party. I will post more on this topic when I have all of the details. jon CTO, Lionel LLC --- Nothing definite, but interesting. Baby steps. Rich G(ajnak) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Getting it correct
Bob, You're not inspired to run down to the local rail yard and measure those rust spots so that you get them just right? Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, shabbona_rr user141771@... wrote: That's true of most of us, Earl, but to some people, it's a big deal boB Nicholson _ --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@ wrote: You may figure out now that I have only been masquerading as one of you scalers. I was not even aware that the American Models house car underbody was backward. Its actually not a big deal to me. Seldom do I study the underbodies of the models of the prototypes. - Earl Henry, Nashville Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: new stuff - generally a good thing
The big RRs in the US are doing heritage schemes of fallen flags in their
lineage on contemporary motive power. Do you suppose CP will ever do Milwaukee
or Soo heritage schemes on an SD70Ace?
Ben Trousdale
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bob Werre bob@... wrote:
Robert, their must be a least a half dozen of us who model the
Milwaukee--I've only heard of a couple of NP fans but SHS did sell out
of their switchers fairly quickly. I'm hoping a MILW SD-45 will be
riding my rails one of these daze! I hope to run them with my AM
U-25B's. My lone SD-40-2 is dressed in UP garb.
Bob Werre
On 12/20/12 2:54 PM, Robert Lampe wrote:
I model the NP and MILW so the newest locomotives for me would be
SD-45's or SD-40's
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 18:00:03 +
Subject: RE: {S-Scale List} Re: new stuff - generally a good thing
Il will second the plaudits for American Models.
cheers
Alex Binkley
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{S-Scale List} Re: SD70ACe Images
Rich, How or where did you find this out? Sometimes the engineering does get more creative and better. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, richgajnak rustytraque@... wrote: The pilots are independent of the trucks. They will not move if nothing is coupled to the locomotive. The will be a provision to permantly attach the pilots to the frame. Sometimes, I wonder why I bother... You guys can make dicoveries on your own from now on. I've had it with the closed minds, here. Rich G(ajnak) --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Borgmeyer cborgmeyer@ wrote: Eeeck! Not those damn swiveling pilots. What is this O-27? Chris Borgmeyer Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Speaking of the Lionel/Flyer Y3
See what happens when you change your name? Well, I have Northerns doing excursion service for a piddly tourist passenger train. Why not real OVERKILL? I'm not sure where layout townfolk are going to find enough interested old farts to do the time intensive maintenance and occasional overhaul of such a beast. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Loizeaux@... wrote: Yes, but.. the original question pertained to a scale version of the Y-3. Anyone out there interested in a large scale loco that can go around sharp curves? Just a concept question. Cheers.(forgot who I am) Lionel tends to be delightfully inconsistant on flange depth on Flyer wheelsets. Driver flanges tend to be a little less deep(not by much) than the other wheelset. But they're all still deeper than old SHS HiRail flanges. If the Challenger is any guide, it will bounce a little on code 100, but unless you got moving frog turnouts, forget about going through them. Rich G(ajnak) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Fw: Lionel Trains also commented on their American Flyer SD70s album.
That's curious. Some e-retailers list separate units with scale wheels. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Tom Hawley t.hawley@... wrote: FacebookWhen I saw that picture of the Lionel S scale SD70Ace I posted a question on Facebook about the scale wheels. This is what I got back. But I imagine NWSL could make the wheels we need. Tom Hawley - Original Message - From: Facebook To: Tom Hawley Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 7:16 PM Subject: Lionel Trains also commented on their American Flyer SD70s album. facebook Lionel Trains also commented on their American Flyer SD70s album. Lionel Trains wrote: At this time, these do not have scale wheels. We may have a scale wheel set available for those who want them somewhere down the road, but we don't have a timeline for that yet. Reply to this email to comment on this post. See Comment This message was sent to t.hawley@... If you don't want to receive these emails from Facebook in the future, please unsubscribe. Facebook, Inc., Attention: Department 415, PO Box 10005, Palo Alto, CA 94303 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: SD70ACe Images
The DRG has scale wheels. Any word on expected delivery of the first batch of cylindrical hoppers? They have announced a second run. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, richgajnak wrote: New images of some Lionel's SD70ACe's can be seen here. You DONT have to be on Facebook to view, just click on next in the upper right corner: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151581474688345set=a.10151581474413345.602804.135645573344type=1permPage=1 Shown are MP Heritage, DRGW Heritage, KCS and UP body shells. As many of you may or may not be aware, these locomotives are also available with scale wheels, Kadee brackets will be included,(just like the U33C's) and will be able to be run on AC, TMCC, DC or DCC without modification. Last I heard they are due out in February. Rich G(ajnak) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: New U33c Toy
Jim, How did you deal with the uneven step spacing when attaching the pilot to the frame? It appears that the top step on the rotating part of the pilot is equidistant from the bottome step on the frame and the pilot step below it when everything is dead level. Fixing the pilot to the frame without some sort of spacer and filler would make the step spacing between the two much narrower. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, raisinone raisinone@... wrote: Cleared out all the internal Lionel electronics and sold them, then installed a Tsunami AT1000 decoder for the GE FDL-16 prime mover with a Railmaster DGL-8 bass reflex speaker. IMHO, the AT style decoders provide a much simpler and cleaner installation in diesels. I'm still working with the lights, but with information from Tom Hawley, Sam McCoy previously worked out the circuits so I just have to follow directions. I fixed the pilot to the frame on the 'B' end and had no issues on the Des Plaines Valley layout's tightest radius sidings (about 31). Mainlines on the DPV are 48+. I have not fixed the pilot to the frame on the 'A' end yet but don't anticipate any additional issues... Good luck... Jim Kindraka Plymouth, WI Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} New U33c Toy
With issuance of the Milwaukee Road scheme I decided I had to have at least one. It took me 3 tries to obtain one. One of the local HS didn't have the scale version on premises and its two distributors didn't have any. Charles Ro didn't have one. I may have purchased the last currently in-stock from Trainworld. Scenery Unlimited's website indicates they may have some. Generally pleased with the appearance except the unfortunate compromise with the exposed motor axles and u-joints coming out both sides of the center fuel tank. Makes eye level viewing a little odd because you will see the rotating shafts and joints. And of course the pivoting pilot - but that is more understandable taking typical AF radii into account. I'm going to take modifications one step at a time with the biggy first - taking out the proprietary electronics and installing DCC. Reconnecting the smoke unit will be interesting. Has anyone tried that with a DCC install on these? I'll want to see how it negotiates curves before fixing the pilots to the frame. The wheels and axles have no where near the side-to-side action that American Models 6 axles locomotives have. Ben Trousdale Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: New U33c Toy
I got one with scale wheels. I think that is why it was a little hard to find. Interesting question about how they might sell the scale wheels - as part of an entire assembly or individual axle sets. The side play of the wheels in the assembly is at most 1/16. The scale wheels have a cast-on spacer or washer on the back side that MIGHT make up the difference in wheel thickness between scale and hi-rail wheels. I'll have to see if the local HS will let me look at one of their HR versions locked in the case. I'll also ask them if they can order replacement parts, i.e. scale wheels that can be swapped out with a HR version so that you can get a 2nd and/or 3rd locomotive number. They have three different numbers - two HR and one scale. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, richgajnak rustytraque@... wrote: Scale wheels are available from Lionel parts. As the Milwaukee unit is part of the second run, they're not freebies. Looks like they'll sell you the entire truck block. Don't know if they's sell the wheels separately, you'd have to call: http://www.lionel.com/CustomerService/ReplacementParts/index.cfm?doAction=productPartFilternumber=6-48192productID=5d7bd1c3-2d67-49f2-b424-d4f22ce75ad8 There will be more side-to-side slop becaues of the narrower profile of the scale wheels. Rich G(ajnak) --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, pickycat95 pickycat95@ wrote: With issuance of the Milwaukee Road scheme I decided I had to have at least one. It took me 3 tries to obtain one. One of the local HS didn't have the scale version on premises and its two distributors didn't have any. Charles Ro didn't have one. I may have purchased the last currently in-stock from Trainworld. Scenery Unlimited's website indicates they may have some. Generally pleased with the appearance except the unfortunate compromise with the exposed motor axles and u-joints coming out both sides of the center fuel tank. Makes eye level viewing a little odd because you will see the rotating shafts and joints. And of course the pivoting pilot - but that is more understandable taking typical AF radii into account. I'm going to take modifications one step at a time with the biggy first - taking out the proprietary electronics and installing DCC. Reconnecting the smoke unit will be interesting. Has anyone tried that with a DCC install on these? I'll want to see how it negotiates curves before fixing the pilots to the frame. The wheels and axles have no where near the side-to-side action that American Models 6 axles locomotives have. Ben Trousdale Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: still more DCCisms
Bill, Are you old enough to have brain fade? Yeah, it's a pain to forget after many months that 353 was consisted to 420 and you had to 0-5-0 353 off the track for some reason only to put it back on the track many months later and wonder. Still not a good enough reason for me not to consist. It's not hard - even with Digitrax - or to look it up in the manual. Finding the manual might be a challenge, though. Of course it has to be done just right with the lead on the right throttle and the slave on the left knob. And if you call up the loco address the throttle should report that it is consisted (I don't recall if it tells you to what). Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bill Lane bill@... wrote: Chris, Your brain fade is the very reason I have never ever made a consist. Early on in my DCC career I took my EM-1 to a CJSS meet. Sam McCoy did a consist with Don's EM-1. We ran them and had a great time. I got home, nothing worked and I freaked out a bit. Sammy walked me thought deleting the consist. Lesson learned - don't consist. I have MANY A B A and A B B A lashups that always run together at all times. ALL units are programmed to the same address. On the fuel tank I write in pencil the address (the lead A unit) and an arrow pointing towards normally forward. They get put on the track in the same order. Enter 1 address number at and down the track you merrily go. No brain fade problems at all... About a month ago I posted here about Protocraft modified 3.5 amp Tsunamis. http://www.protocraft.com/index.cfm However, I have a regular Tsunami in my EM-1 without issue. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com/ http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progess at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com/ http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com/ http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Gulp. Um... Couplers
I was installing 802 couplers on some new cars and decided to try the suggested method on the instructions of reducing slack action. First I think I need to grow at least one more hand with finer fingers and motor control. But the real question is how long to make the rod insert? The instructions suggest 0.156 (5/32). That seems to be too long for the 802s. I also tried something shorter than 0.125. That seemed too short and allowed too much slack to remain in shank travel. So now I'm at about 0.125 which seems about right - perhaps cutting out to much slack. What has the experience of others been? Ben Trousdale Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Gulp. Um... Couplers
I'm using plastic dowel stock - diameter I can't recall right now. It's the
LENGTH of the dowel that I'm wondering about.
Ben Trousdale
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, David Engle rirocket@... wrote:
I'll suggest cutting chunks of dowel or cotton swab sticks, cut them as you
need them. Dave Engle
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Subject: {S-Scale List} Gulp. Um... Couplers
I was installing 802 couplers on some new cars and decided to try the
suggested method on the instructions of reducing slack action. First I think
I need to grow at least one more hand with finer fingers and motor control.
But the real question is how long to make the rod insert? The instructions
suggest 0.156 (5/32). That seems to be too long for the 802s. I also tried
something shorter than 0.125. That seemed too short and allowed too much
slack to remain in shank travel. So now I'm at about 0.125 which seems about
right - perhaps cutting out to much slack.
What has the experience of others been?
Ben Trousdale
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{S-Scale List} Re: Spiral Easements
Dick, Last word until you get a question... I don't understand the offset part. Do you draw two arcs: one the real centerline and another that is 3/8 shorter radius? Why the shorter radius arc? Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Richard Karnes rnk2202@... wrote: Gents/Ladies -- A final word (from me) on spiral easements. You can really go off the deep end with the mathematics, calculating and plotting equally-spaced offsets from the end of your tangent in order to plot points that define the easement curve. (I used to do this in surveying class, calculating and laying out spirals on the main Cornell quad.) So don't do that. Any stiff, springy, straight item (a spline) intrinsically conforms to a least-energy curve when bent and held in place, provided that you don't over-bend it so as to kink it. One of the best items to use is a metal rail, the stouter the better. Plot your straight-track centerline and your curved centerine of a particular radius. Make your radius about 3/8 smaller, but from the same center point, such that the curve misses the straight by 3/8. Then take a yard- or meter-length of .148 or .172 rail, spike the first six inches along the end of the straight centerline in three places, so that one edge of the rail base is against the centerline. Then flex the rail (spline) by hand until the rail matches your curve, making sure that you allow enough free length to avoid a reverse curve in your spline. Spike the rail to the curve in three places over about six inches of length. Now draw your pencil along the rail base to create your easement centerline. Be careful not to move the rail as you do this --You may need to hold it down with your other hand as you draw. Resist the urge to spike the rail along the eased curve, as this can introduce unpleasant lateral centerline excursions. For curves less than 33, use a 1/2 offset. For curves greater than 45, use a 1/4 offset. Close enough for government work, as they say... Dick Karnes Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Radius Roll Call
If you don't build easements into the turnout transitions your cab crews in steamers can really get tossed around. I built all mine without easements and there were a couple of switches that routinely threw the crew out of the cab when the cab whipped to the side so quickly when taking the diverging route.;-} Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Richard Karnes rnk2202@... wrote: John et al -- Turnouts are in fact eased. If you consult the AREA (American Railway Engineering Association) dimensional standards for turnouts, you will find that the curved closure rail is eased, then straightened through the frog. AREA tables also provide the effective radius of the curved branch; these radii are generally quite a bit larger than the typical model curves. There is no standard for No. 4 turnouts; the tables start with No. 5 (closure radius of 178 feet, 33 actual inches in S). (PRR has different standards -- Their smallest is a No. 5.289. Go figure.) That said, I have standard turnouts only in my terminal/yard area. These are No. 5 for freight yard, No. 6 (259-foot radius, 48.5 inch actual inches in S) for the passenger terminal and coach yard. Elsewhere, I drew centerlines using heavy O scale (.172) rail to draw easements between tangents and curves, and I built the turnouts to follow the centerlines. The result is smoothly-flowing trackwork. You might ask where one purchases turnouts manufactured to AREA standards. Well, I don't know and don't care. I have scratchbuilt all of mine. I'm not recommending that in general; it's just that constructing trackwork is my first love in model railroading, and I am somewhat sad that I have no more trackage to construct. Dick Karnes Mercer Island WA Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Lead vs Pennies
Awesome! Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bob Werre bob@... wrote: Jamie, I takes a frugal old German to out cheep you. I occasionally do a weekend four mile walk. I just keep one eye on the gutter. Often I can bring home a handful of thrown wheel weights, so the lead is now free. I can melt the lead into shapes and it keeps the pollution out of the water. My first project was to actually pour lead into the hollow NE centersill material. Use a scrap piece and pour the molten lead--remove and put into the car you're modeling (in my case it was two AF gons). You can use the scrap centersill a few times before it scorches too badly. Bob Werre On 10/31/12 7:58 PM, Jamie Bothwell wrote: Darrell, A few years ago I bought some lead shot for this purpose at Cabella's. For fun I had my students figure out if pennies were cheaper. Lead was cheaper by a factor of two or three. I should probably do the computation again in 2012 dollars (or cents). That's dolers to you Jim. Jamie Bothwell Bethlehem, PA where we have light and heat again (at least in my house)! On Oct 29, 2012, at 7:58 PM, Darrell wrote: BTW, I am using PENNIES for car weight. They are the cheapest price per pound of any weight available unless you have free weights available. Plus they are easy to adjust to the correct weight per car. Darrell S. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Re: Correct screw size for AM GP35
It's been ages since I mounted 802's to a GP35 chassis. I recall using the screws supplied with the coupler at let them self-tap into the soft metal. And/or also drilled holes the correct size and then used the Kadee screws. I may have had to trim them off on the top side. Not much better than idle speculation, huh? Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, John Albee johnalbee03@... wrote: Good morning all, or good nite Don, if'n you're still across the pond. Anyone know the screw size for mounting couplers on the pad, body mounted as God and and all nature intended. Amazingly, I had two stainless screws in my pile and they fit perfectly but I have no clue what size they were. Btw- this is a DRGW unit. You should see the gyralite my local dealer/friend installed! Beautiful job, very convincing Tsunami feature! I'll try to post pics. Sent from my iPhone Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} S Scale Loco Supply new stainless steel wheels
I have always liked the ACE trucks. For some number of years before going out
of business they offered a delrin bearing insert in lieu of the brass. You had
to drill out the holes in the sideframe for the wider outer diameter of the
bearing. That decreased the friction.
I particularly like them under weighted PRS cars. There is something about the
spring resistance and something else that makes for a nice ride and creates,
for me, a satisfying hollowish resonance (have to have the steel wheels) in the
cars when they go over gaps, joints and through turnouts. No other truck does
that.
A drawback is that the bolster is wide enough for highrail wheels. They sold a
spacer with the delrin bearings that you had to slide over the bearing before
inserting into the frames. With .110 wheels there was still a fair amount of
side-to-side slack. This was a problem for my trickiest track work - a double
crossover on a curve- where some of the cars with ACE trucks picked one frog in
one direction only. I rectified that by sliding some brass washers with an
inner diameter that just fit over the ends of the axles. The pointed axle
trucks never picked that frog.
Ben Trousdale
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Alex Binkley alex.binkley@... wrote:
Great explanation, Rusty. Thank You. I like the few ACE RB trucks that I have
but they could roll better. A solution may be at hand.
cheers
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:10:43 +
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S Scale Loco Supply new stainless steel wheels
Blunt ended axles are for??
For the thousands of Nord, Northeastern, ACE and a several other trucks.
For myself all that I've made for myself and many that I've converted from
the pointed to the blunt axle ended. it makes it a lot easier to make
Acetal bearings. There is no standard length of pointed axle ends in S
scale. The SHS are not the same length others and when it comes to critical
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Re: {S-Scale List} S Scale Loco Supply new stainless steel wheels
The ACE trucks were the only ones to pick that one frog of the diamond. And
the track is curved as it goes through the frogs in both directions compounding
the complexity. Pointed axle trucks don't have any side-to-side movement of
the axle in the side frames. And once the side-play was greatly reduced the
picking problem disappeared.
Ben Trousdale
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, shabbona_rr user141771@... wrote:
I only have one pair of Ace RB freight trucks in active service on SHABBONA,
although I have 3 sets on order from SMMW. I use just a drop of Mobil 1
synthetic motor oil to lubricate the journals, and they roll almost as free
as some of the contemporary trucks on the market. I have for years tried to
locate a source for the brass bearing inserts, thus far without success. I
have used some delrin tubing, but I still prefer the integrity of the brass
ones.
As for flanges picking frog points, another way to cure this is a few
swipes with a modeler's file on the offending point. I have also ACC'ed an
.010 strip of styrene on the back face of the guardrail to infintesimally
increase the check gage with good results. As usual, I don't guarantee my
track laying procedures to9 anybody foolish enough to try them, but my
railroad is derailment free for the most part, in spite of them.
boB Nicholson
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, pickycat95 pickycat95@ wrote:
I have always liked the ACE trucks. For some number of years before going
out of business they offered a delrin bearing insert in lieu of the brass.
You had to drill out the holes in the sideframe for the wider outer
diameter of the bearing. That decreased the friction.
I particularly like them under weighted PRS cars. There is something about
the spring resistance and something else that makes for a nice ride and
creates, for me, a satisfying hollowish resonance (have to have the steel
wheels) in the cars when they go over gaps, joints and through turnouts.
No other truck does that.
A drawback is that the bolster is wide enough for highrail wheels. They
sold a spacer with the delrin bearings that you had to slide over the
bearing before inserting into the frames. With .110 wheels there was still
a fair amount of side-to-side slack. This was a problem for my trickiest
track work - a double crossover on a curve- where some of the cars with ACE
trucks picked one frog in one direction only. I rectified that by sliding
some brass washers with an inner diameter that just fit over the ends of
the axles. The pointed axle trucks never picked that frog.
Ben Trousdale
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Alex Binkley alex.binkley@ wrote:
Great explanation, Rusty. Thank You. I like the few ACE RB trucks that I
have but they could roll better. A solution may be at hand.
cheers
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From: thebrassbasher@
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:10:43 +
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S Scale Loco Supply new stainless steel
wheels
Blunt ended axles are for??
For the thousands of Nord, Northeastern, ACE and a several other
trucks. For myself all that I've made for myself and many that I've
converted from the pointed to the blunt axle ended. it makes it a lot
easier to make Acetal bearings. There is no standard length of pointed
axle ends in S scale. The SHS are not the same length others and when
it comes to critical
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{S-Scale List} Re: Digital Smoke
This list is now blowing smoke out its ears. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Loizeaux@... wrote: Ed, I always thought that the big black smoke cloud meant the steam engine was aplying more horsepower to move up certain grade conditions but after leveling off the smoke turned white or disapeared as horsepower was met for flat rail and speed conditions. Alan Lambert Alan... Assuming your description to be accurate, this is a great specification for a Digital Smoke System (DSS). The DSS should be able to adjust the smoke's color and volume for each speed step. More volume and more color under heavy load and vice versa for lesser loads. Tsunami already does that for the chuff-chuff volume by comparing the set speed step to the current actual speed step. And Zimo decoders have an accessory smoke generator with a fan which is controlled by the decoder so that individual puffs emanate at the rate of four per wheel revolution. The puffs can actually be synchronized to the position of the wheels via a cam on the axle. So the electronic and mechanical issues are fairly well solved. It is the chemistry that is not yet fully developed and needs improvement. If we could only add some color to political hot air and capture it in a pressure can, we might have something to use. Until a really fantastic DSS is created, my layout room will remain a smoke free environment for health reasons. But I would not mind changing that some day -- at least for one loop around the mainline. CheersEd L. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} RI models
Bob, From the sounds of it I assume the U25Bs are from AM. Did you paint them? I'm thinking of picking up a pair of undecs to do pretty much the same thing - paint 'em in the Milwaukee orange and black scheme. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bob Werre bob@... wrote: Dave, I can't help with the Budd cars, but I own two U25B's painted for the Milwaukee. The couplers were an easy, usual type mount--either body or truck tongue. I chose body mount--I might have had to add a spacer. I did fill in the front opening with just some fitted Evergreen pieces I then put some reinforcing scrap pieces in back. One engine has my one and only Sunset/Sunrise/whatever snow plow! That engine is fairly well detailed. The downside is that the details--stanchions and ladders are plastic and fragile. Bob Werre On 10/11/12 11:01 AM, David Engle wrote: Does anyone have a set of the A-M Budd passenger cars in the Rock Island scheme. How many were produced, sets, or individual cars. I am not in the market for such, seems strange that they are out of stock''' on the website. Same question for the RI U25B, mfr's rendition. What work is needed to completely fill in the pilots for scale couplers; I have heard there are not the usual body or frame mounted couplers, which seems a little strange. DJE-KCMO Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
