Re: {S-Scale List} John Bortz Photo added
Though I never met John, I'm happy to say that I own one of his pieces of S scale artistry. In the 1980's John scratch built at least two (that I'm aware of) PRR I-1 decapods. One of which I own and I'm pleased to report is fully operational on my layout. When I acquired it about five years ago, the engine hadn't been run in a long while and it needed some repair. After some cosmetic repairs and installation of DCC, I must admit that this is one of the finest running s scale locomotives that I've ever run - a true testament to John's skills. Take a look at PRR 4618 on it's shakedown run: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNiAkZAirXg Does anyone know what happened to the other decapod(s)? Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Sep 16, 2013, at 1:29 PM, Bill Lane wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/photos/album/1190915267/pic/list Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
Re: {S-Scale List} John Bortz Photo added
Bob, Yes I'm aware of John's award winning locomotives and I have seen one of the I-1's in MR back in the mid-1980's when it took first place at an NMRA convention. It was not 4618 (the one that I have). That's how I know that another of his I-1's is out there somewhere. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Sep 17, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Bob Werre wrote: Bob, If somebody has an old stash of MR's you might find photos of John's various engines that won NMRA contests. I think he won the pulling contest at one time. Bob Werre PhotoTraxx On 9/17/13 8:03 AM, Robert Frascella wrote: Though I never met John, I'm happy to say that I own one of his pieces of S scale artistry. In the 1980's John scratch built at least two (that I'm aware of) PRR I-1 decapods. One of which I own and I'm pleased to report is fully operational on my layout. When I acquired it about five years ago, the engine hadn't been run in a long while and it needed some repair. After some cosmetic repairs and installation of DCC, I must admit that this is one of the finest running s scale locomotives that I've ever run - a true testament to John's skills. Take a look at PRR 4618 on it's shakedown run: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNiAkZAirXg Does anyone know what happened to the other decapod(s)? Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Sep 16, 2013, at 1:29 PM, Bill Lane wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/photos/album/1190915267/pic/list Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
Re: {S-Scale List} S Scale Concrete Structures
Yes, Bill. I'm painfully aware that there is a typo in my site's URL. And, I do know how to spell Elmira:) The day that I created the blog I was sitting in the First Class car on Amtrak's Acela and on my second glass of wine. The lesson learned is not to drink and write blogs. Despite that, anyone searching for it can Google my PRR Elmira Branch Blog and get there. Once there just save it to your' favorites'. I don't update it often because the train room finishing project has taken on a life of its own, but every now and then I'll post some of my modeling adventures. Those that know me will know that I am the king of unfinished projects, so everything is done is starts and fits. But, eventually things do get done. To answer your question, i don't know what I'm going to do about the coal chutes. The HO guys have it good because Tichy makes them and all the related pulleys available as separate parts. I noticed that Lehigh Valley models offers them with their coaling tower kits, but I can't tell if they're available separately. Anyone know? Otherwise, I'll have to scratch build them. I need four, which isn't too bad. Or, I could try making a master and casting them. Maybe others may be interested as well. As for the truss bridge project, I recently discovered that Plastruct makes prefabricated truss beams that scale out to be 4'- 0 deep. These are perfect for the top diagonal braces and will save a great deal of scratch building. I also found the right size shapes for the floor beams, so back to that project again soon. Thanks for all the positive comments. I hope to have the coaling tower painted soon. Hopefully it will look like concrete. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Aug 29, 2013, at 8:41 PM, scale S only wrote: Hi Bob -- It took me a bit to figure out how to get to your blog, as I had to type it in. Having gone to school in Ithaca, I knew how to spell Elmira (I also have the book on the Elmira branch), so of course I spelled out the blog as Elmira. WRONG! It is Elimra on the blog, so for the rest of you who think they know what they are doing, as I did, this will help. Bob did spell it correctly in the address – I just read it as I thought it should read, much like those scrambled word paragraphs you get now and them to prove you can read anything. That will be a neat model when you are done Bob. What I will really be interested in seeing is your treatment of the coal chutes... Thanks for posting! Bill Winans -- After a long Hiatus I update my blog on building the Pennsy's Elmira Branch in S Scale by posting the start of my concrete coaling tower project. I believe I found an interesting way of recreating large cast concrete structures that look realistic and are inexpensive to build. Older concrete structures used individual boards to create the form liners used to cast the concrete and in the process the wooden form lines were cast into the concrete. I think my process captures the effect nicely. Let me knowwhat you think. http://bobssscaleprrelimrabranch.blogspot.com Bob Frascella Wenham, MA
Re: {S-Scale List} Re: GP7 update - last for a while
WOW! With all this cutting and chopping of brass and rebuilding drive units, it makes me glad that I went the route that I did and built my GP-7 by modifying the AM GP-9 with the DPH long hood. Maybe when Bill's all done we can get a photo of his No. 8553 next to it's cousin 8551 and compare two. http://sscale.org/782/volume-1-no-11-converting-gp9-to-gp7/ Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Aug 27, 2013, at 5:42 PM, ashpan.clinker wrote: I had a halve dozen of the Sunset GP's when they first were brought in from Japan. The first thing I did was toss out a couple of the drives and started making my own using NWSL parts. That was back in the last century before Overland came out with the F units. Once River Raisin sold the red-drives I yanked the Overland drives out of my F units and used them to replace the rest of the Sunset GP drives. I opted to make a separate frame for the drive, and solder the hood and cab to the floor with the railing so it was all one piece. I've since sold all of my die-sals's. The last pair were the ones with the unfinished NWSL units. McCoy relieved me from the suffering. Railroads run with steam engines, trucks run with dirty diesels. J. Rustermier --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bill Lane bill@... wrote: As mentioned I stripped off the handrails. I also fiddled with the pilots. I stripped off everything to start again. If anyone has a Sunset GP7 please take a photo of the pilot for me. I forgot to before I went all Scrap the Chevy on it. Photo 1 is after I stripped everything off the pilots. Photo 2 is how I had to modify it to accept the BTS steps. I also had to machine the back of the steps a bit. Photos 3 4 are showing some forward motion. It looks MUCH better with the BTS castings. It is back in the box now for another day. Some O Scale is calling me next. I have real tonnage of BTS parts but not all I need for this. I have to place an order when funds allow.. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com/ http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com/ http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com/ http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
Re: {S-Scale List} s scale america x29
Count me in for ten as well. Where do I order? Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Jul 27, 2013 9:19 AM, leerai...@aol.com wrote: ** I will take 10.seriously. This (and its non-prr clones) was the iconic boxcar of the 50s. Near matches were numerous on b+o rdg w+le and many more. Just what I need for my prr-ebt layout. Lee rainey
Re: {S-Scale List} Steam Powered Box factory
If you are into steam and sawmills the is fantastic!!!
Bob Boring
- Original Message -
From: scale S only
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:28 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Steam Powered Box factory
Hi all --
For those who might be looking for a small factory complex for their layout,
this might be an inspiration.If you watch all the way to the end, there is
some data about the factory that is not shown in the main part of the video.
The factory is still in operation as an historic landmark.
This factory was built in 1897 . This video is about 15 minutes and is
very interesting, I thought.
http://www.youtube.com/v/_mKSKZau9qs
Enjoy!
Bill Winans
Re: {S-Scale List} Old School box o sticks kits
Sorry, If the photo didn't get attached properly. I also posted it to the photo section You can see it here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/photos/recent/list Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On May 10, 2013, at 12:10 PM, Robert Frascella wrote: I have bought them in the past and will continue to them if they're of interest to me. Why? Because there's nothing like wood to represent a wood car. And, yes I do build them. I recently completed an REA express reefer (attached) and pretty much used everything in the kit except I used Grandt Lines ladders instead of what came with the kit. Trucks are bit hard to find, but found a bunch on Ebay a while back and replaced the wheel sets. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA 2013-05-10_11-55-59_97.jpeg On May 10, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Bill Lane wrote: I am amazed at the number of old school box o stick kits that still sell on eBay. If you have a snow plow it is a guaranteed $75.00+ sale. Almost the same for the MOW camp cars. If it is a nicely assembled snow plow it could go $200.00+. I am not knocking the kits because in the proper hands they build up to a reasonably presentable car. Of the cars I bought at the John Bortz auction all the cars I kept for me WERE from old school wood kits. Many of the cars I sold were are well. Since they are so rarely assembled, visiting S Scalers will know it is not a common car to see running which is why I kept them. But if a kit is 40+ years old and is still a box of sticks why is the new owner “going to be the one” to make it into a car? Is anyone here buying them? Why? I have heard from HO the “Westerfield shelf” where all of the unassembled kits reside. I am down to my PRS reefers needing assembly but they are much easier…. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progess at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
Re: {S-Scale List} Enhorning F Units
Here's one of the photos of my Enhorning F-7 circa 1976. (First time attaching photos. Hope it works)Bob FrascellaWenham, MAOn May 8, 2013, at 8:40 AM, drgw223 wrote: The problem with the roof hump as I understand it was not only related to the cooling but also the type of plastic that Enhorning used. It was a rubbery flexible material that was different than styrene and gluing anything to it was a challenge. In the 1970's I purchased about a dozen or so shells from Claude Wade along with a bunch of mechanisms that he created to convert them to scale. At one time he considered offering an F-unit re-powering kit for the Enhorning shells. His drives featured custom made gear boxes, and 42" diameter brass wheel sets. When the Enhorning shells were no longer available, he dropped the idea of re-powering kits and focused on improving his SSLS line of steamers. In the dozen or so shells that I ended with, a few of them did not have the roof hump. I ended up with 3 or 4 serviceable units that I painted and ran quite well with the Wade drives. I have some photos around somewhere, and will post them when I find them. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA
Re: {S-Scale List} Passing of Judy Sheffield
This indeed sad news. I only had the opportunity to meet Judy a couple of
times and remember a very gracious lady. Our thoughts and prayers go out
Howard and family.
Bob and Glenda Boring
- Original Message -
From: djde...@cncnet.com
To: S-Scale Yahoo Group ; S-Trains Yahoo Group
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:17 AM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Passing of Judy Sheffield
Sad news to report, Howard Sheffield (Howard's Trains) has lost his life
partner, best friend, wife, train show companion, and most everything else;
Judy Sheffield, who passed away from Cancer. Judy was a fairly private
person, so becoming a train show participant was a major change for her, but
in keeping with her privacy, they both faced the big C with a very brave
front. Judy always had a warm smile, and great conversation. Linda I have
had some great times with them and we will miss her greatly, but I know not
as much as Howard will. So send some prayers and warm thoughts his way.
S'incerely,
Linda David Dewey
Re: {S-Scale List} S In NGSL Gazette
Roger, I have been reading the Gazette for some time and even went so far as
to pick up back issues back into the late 70's. I think it is one of the best
publications out there regardless of scale.
Bob Boring
- Original Message -
From: Roger Nulton
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S In NGSL Gazette
You guys have sold me on the NGSLG. I bought a subscription! Between
Brooks' article and my friend Chuck Rickett's article in the Jan. issue, and
all the other endorsments, as well as the S scale content. I look forward to
the Jan. issue. I have seen Bob's On3 layout and it is tops.
Roger Nulton
- Original Message -
From: Jim and Cheryl Martin
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S In NGSL Gazette
I have been reading the Narrow gauge and Short Line Gazette faithfully
since 1982 when friend Pete Moffett (now a fellow S Scale Workshop member) had
an article on scratch building a Quincy and Torch Lake side dump car.
Even though to this day I still do not actively model narrow gauge, I love
the magazine for the quality of work portrayed, as well as the visual appeal of
the mag itself. Although it has some great long-time contributors, what's
really amazing, is this high quality glossy print magazine is largely the work
of only three people, Bob Brown, his wife Irene and art director Sharon Olsen.
I interviewed Bob on The Model Railway Show two years ago. He's getting
on in years. I asked him about succession plans for when he's gone. He told
me there are none. Some day the Gazette will be missed the same way Bob
Hundman's Mainline Modeler is. So you lesser-read individuals on this list owe
it to yourselves to take a look at this mag. Maybe take out a subscription.
It also has lots of useful ads for suppliers you won't find in many other
magazines...Backwoods Miniatures, Clover House, Rusty Stumps, etc. A lot of
good S scale building supplies can be found on their websites.
Jim Martin
--
From: scale S only scaleso...@cableone.net
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 4:57:39 PM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S In NGSL Gazette
Way to go Brooks! Now if I could only lay my hands on one of those
Gazettes... Maybe at the OSW+S next week.
Bill Winans
---
Some on this site might not be regular readers of Narrow Gauge and Short
Line Gazette magazine since the focus is heavily narrow gauge and logging, but
I thought the group might like to know that S standard gauge is proudly
represented on the cover of the January 2013 issue and my Buffalo Creek
Gauley layout (including the logging activity) is featured inside. While a
number of the country's exceptional Sn3 layouts have appeared in the Gazette,
according to editor Bob Brown this is the first time in the magazine's history
that an S standard gauge layout has been featured. Hopefully the article will
introduce some folks not too familiar with S standard gauge to what can be done
in our favorite scale.
Brooks Stover
Re: {S-Scale List} S In NGSL Gazette
Hi Roger,
Wish I could be in Santa Clara but that is not going to happen. Have good time.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Roger Nulton
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S In NGSL Gazette
Hi Bob,
Yes, I took the Gazette when I was hanging out with the San Diego Sn3 group.
I let it lapse when we moved to Washington, as I was getting too many magazines
and was focusing on layout building. It's amazing how little modeling gets
done with a layout under construction!
I'll miss printed magazines. I prefer stretching out on the coach to sitting
upright at a computer screen, but the world is changing. See you in Santa
Clara.
Roger
- Original Message -
From: Robert Boring
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S In NGSL Gazette
Roger, I have been reading the Gazette for some time and even went so far
as to pick up back issues back into the late 70's. I think it is one of the
best publications out there regardless of scale.
Bob Boring
- Original Message -
From: Roger Nulton
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S In NGSL Gazette
You guys have sold me on the NGSLG. I bought a subscription! Between
Brooks' article and my friend Chuck Rickett's article in the Jan. issue, and
all the other endorsments, as well as the S scale content. I look forward to
the Jan. issue. I have seen Bob's On3 layout and it is tops.
Roger Nulton
- Original Message -
From: Jim and Cheryl Martin
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S In NGSL Gazette
I have been reading the Narrow gauge and Short Line Gazette faithfully
since 1982 when friend Pete Moffett (now a fellow S Scale Workshop member) had
an article on scratch building a Quincy and Torch Lake side dump car.
Even though to this day I still do not actively model narrow gauge, I
love the magazine for the quality of work portrayed, as well as the visual
appeal of the mag itself. Although it has some great long-time contributors,
what's really amazing, is this high quality glossy print magazine is largely
the work of only three people, Bob Brown, his wife Irene and art director
Sharon Olsen.
I interviewed Bob on The Model Railway Show two years ago. He's
getting on in years. I asked him about succession plans for when he's gone.
He told me there are none. Some day the Gazette will be missed the same way
Bob Hundman's Mainline Modeler is. So you lesser-read individuals on this list
owe it to yourselves to take a look at this mag. Maybe take out a subscription.
It also has lots of useful ads for suppliers you won't find in many
other magazines...Backwoods Miniatures, Clover House, Rusty Stumps, etc. A lot
of good S scale building supplies can be found on their websites.
Jim Martin
--
From: scale S only scaleso...@cableone.net
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 4:57:39 PM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S In NGSL Gazette
Way to go Brooks! Now if I could only lay my hands on one of those
Gazettes... Maybe at the OSW+S next week.
Bill Winans
---
Some on this site might not be regular readers of Narrow Gauge and
Short Line Gazette magazine since the focus is heavily narrow gauge and
logging, but I thought the group might like to know that S standard gauge is
proudly represented on the cover of the January 2013 issue and my Buffalo Creek
Gauley layout (including the logging activity) is featured inside. While a
number of the country's exceptional Sn3 layouts have appeared in the Gazette,
according to editor Bob Brown this is the first time in the magazine's history
that an S standard gauge layout has been featured. Hopefully the article will
introduce some folks not too familiar with S standard gauge to what can be done
in our favorite scale.
Brooks Stover
RE: {S-Scale List} Re: Locomotive conversions aka a kitbash
Sounds like the SMMW model is the way to go. Does it have various fuel tanks?
BAP used short tanks. Bob in MT
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
From: coli...@virgin.net
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 07:07:23 +
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: Locomotive conversions aka a kitbash
Hi Bob
Assuming that you would want an accurate model of a 38-2 besides having to
lengthen the chassis and body shell of the GP35 etc the hood door arrangement
on the GP38-2 is different to the GP35 and would require extensive work to make
it into an accurate model.
I would agree with the suggestion of going for the SMMW version which if Jim's
previous efforts are anything to go by will be very very nice indeed.
Colin
Re: {S-Scale List} I like American Models a lot - but I have one serious cri...
The problem with some of the AM road switcher type locomotives (the GP-9 and RS-3 in particular) is that the couplers are mounted to the frame on a projecting lug that extends under the end walkways. Because the shells are designed to support the over-sized AF coupler, there's a large opening in the pilot. I prefer to remove the metal lug, mount the coupler on to the shell behind the pilot, and fill in the gap with styrene. That means fabricating a draft gear buffer plate in the process. It's a bit tedious, so I often thought that a cast insert that mounts to the shell would be a great after market product. Having done a bunch of fill the gap conversions, maybe the it's about time to work on a master for a suitable casting. That way all you would have to do is cut off the lug, epoxy on the insert, and then attach the coupler. I posted photos of my previous coupler mounting efforts some time ago, but you can still see them in the photo section, or click here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/photos/album/1776201165/pic/list Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Jan 9, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Bob Werre wrote: Earl, I don't have every AM engine (FP-7, GP-9, 35's, U-25's, FM Trainmaster and SD-60) but as I recall couplers were really easy to fit to the frame. I do recall making up a plastic pad for the SD-60, but I assume I didn't receive the proper one in the first place. Also some of the later units require removing the couplers to remove the shell, but that's not a big deal. Incidently the SHS Kadee type coupler is an excellent choice for the SD-60's. On 1/9/13 1:49 PM, tennsga...@aol.com wrote: The problem with applying Kadee style couplers is only with the locomotives, as far as I know. I am not aware of it being a problem with the rolling stock, passenger or freight. - Earl Henry, Nashville
RE: {S-Scale List} Names of the past.........
like the gal who needed a 710 cap for her car. Nobody knew. one guy turned it
around. She needed an OIL cap Bob in Kalispell
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
From: loize...@sbcglobal.net
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 22:22:31 +
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Names of the past.
Are there any #1295's available,
Dave Engle
Dave
You remind me of every single AF buddy I have ever had. They spoke in numbers
instead of names. Every single thing in the AF catalog had a number and that
is what was spoken. Nobody knew an Atlantic from a Hudson, but they all knew
123 from 789.
Now the scalers are starting to talk like that. The number disease must be
catchy. I wonder if it is related to the Lionel or SHS catalogs. Without a
catalog part number, folks would be forced to use a name which would be more
meaningful (I think).
Hope you can take a joke.
Tell me what a #1295 is and perhaps I have some. How many do you need?
CheersEd Loizeaux (who actually signs his first and last name)
Re: {S-Scale List} I like American Models a lot - but I have one serious cri...
The problem with some of the AM road switcher type locomotives (the GP-9 and RS-3 in particular) is that the couplers are mounted to the frame on a projecting lug that extends under the end walkways. Because the shells are designed to support the over-sized AF coupler, there's a large opening in the pilot. I prefer to remove the metal lug, mount the coupler on to the shell behind the pilot, and fill in the gap with styrene. That means fabricating a draft gear buffer plate in the process. It's a bit tedious, so I often thought that a cast insert that mounts to the shell would be a great after market product. Having done a bunch of fill the gap conversions, maybe the it's about time to work on a master for a suitable casting. That way all you would have to do is cut off the lug, epoxy on the insert, and then attach the coupler. I posted photos of my previous coupler mounting efforts some time ago, but you can see them in the photo section here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/photos/album/1776201165/pic/list Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Jan 9, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Bob Werre wrote: Earl, I don't have every AM engine (FP-7, GP-9, 35's, U-25's, FM Trainmaster and SD-60) but as I recall couplers were really easy to fit to the frame. I do recall making up a plastic pad for the SD-60, but I assume I didn't receive the proper one in the first place. Also some of the later units require removing the couplers to remove the shell, but that's not a big deal. Incidently the SHS Kadee type coupler is an excellent choice for the SD-60's. On 1/9/13 1:49 PM, tennsga...@aol.com wrote: The problem with applying Kadee style couplers is only with the locomotives, as far as I know. I am not aware of it being a problem with the rolling stock, passenger or freight. - Earl Henry, Nashville
{S-Scale List} Locomotive conversions aka a kitbash
Could someone tell me just how much of a pain-in-the-neck it would be to convert some American Models locomotives? I would like to convert their GP-9 into a GP-7 without dynamic brakes and convert a GP-35 into a GP38-2 one thing i know i will have to do with the GP38-2 conversion is to shorten the fuel tank as the prototype I want to model had the short range fuel tank. The GP-9 to 7 will involve mostly removing a few louvers and the dynamic brake fan and side blisters and adding roof mounted air tanks. basically what i will need are 3 non-dynamic brake equipped GP-7's and 4 dynamic brake equipped GP-9's and 2 GP38-2's. Thyanks much any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Bob Lampe Kalispell, MT Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Locomotive conversions aka a kitbash
Robert, If you want to do an AM GP-9 to GP-7 conversion you can read my article about how I did it here: www.sscale.org using the Des Plaines Hobbies GP-7 long hood conversion kit. Using the AM GP-9 shell involves removing and adding a whole bunch of louvers that would be tedious. As for the dynamic brakes, the AM shell comes without dynamics in their basic kit. The kits include parts to add them if you desire. I believe that the GP-35 is about 3-ft. shorter than the GP-38-2. The truck centers would be too closely spaced as well. I think the FP-7 mechanism is within 6 (but don't quote me on that) of having the correct truck centers for the GP-38's. If you had two GP-35 shells you could probably stretch them into a 38, but then why not just order a GP-38 kit from Smokey Mountain and save a great deal of trouble? What railroad are you modeling by the way? Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Jan 8, 2013, at 9:27 PM, Robert wrote: Could someone tell me just how much of a pain-in-the-neck it would be to convert some American Models locomotives? I would like to convert their GP-9 into a GP-7 without dynamic brakes and convert a GP-35 into a GP38-2 one thing i know i will have to do with the GP38-2 conversion is to shorten the fuel tank as the prototype I want to model had the short range fuel tank. The GP-9 to 7 will involve mostly removing a few louvers and the dynamic brake fan and side blisters and adding roof mounted air tanks. basically what i will need are 3 non-dynamic brake equipped GP-7's and 4 dynamic brake equipped GP-9's and 2 GP38-2's. Thyanks much any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Bob Lampe Kalispell, MT
RE: {S-Scale List} Locomotive conversions aka a kitbash
Bob, thank you. I'm modeling the Butte Anaconda Pacific. Bob Lampe Kalispell,
MT
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
From: frasc...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 21:57:38 -0500
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Locomotive conversions aka a kitbash
Robert,
If you want to do an AM GP-9 to GP-7 conversion you can read my article about
how I did it here: www.sscale.org using the Des Plaines Hobbies GP-7 long hood
conversion kit. Using the AM GP-9 shell involves removing and adding a whole
bunch of louvers that would be tedious. As for the dynamic brakes, the AM
shell comes without dynamics in their basic kit. The kits include parts to add
them if you desire.
I believe that the GP-35 is about 3-ft. shorter than the GP-38-2. The truck
centers would be too closely spaced as well. I think the FP-7 mechanism is
within 6 (but don't quote me on that) of having the correct truck centers for
the GP-38's. If you had two GP-35 shells you could probably stretch them into
a 38, but then why not just order a GP-38 kit from Smokey Mountain and save a
great deal of trouble? What railroad are you modeling by the way?
Bob FrascellaWenham, MA
On Jan 8, 2013, at 9:27 PM, Robert wrote:
Could someone tell me just how much of a pain-in-the-neck it would be to
convert some American Models locomotives? I would like to convert their GP-9
into a GP-7 without dynamic brakes and convert a GP-35 into a GP38-2 one thing
i know i will have to do with the GP38-2 conversion is to shorten the fuel tank
as the prototype I want to model had the short range fuel tank. The GP-9 to 7
will involve mostly removing a few louvers and the dynamic brake fan and side
blisters and adding roof mounted air tanks. basically what i will need are 3
non-dynamic brake equipped GP-7's and 4 dynamic brake equipped GP-9's and 2
GP38-2's. Thyanks much any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
Bob Lampe
Kalispell, MT
RE: {S-Scale List} Re: Locomotive conversions aka a kitbash
Bill, I remember those Overland models. When they came out I was unable to get
a pair. May go the Smoky Valley way Bob in MT
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
From: b...@lanestrains.com
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 22:57:49 -0500
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: Locomotive conversions aka a kitbash
Bob,
Overland made a GP-38-2 in the mid 80s. All you have to do is go fishing and
maybe 1 will turn up for sale. I have long been of the mindset to look to brass
first if possible. Thank You,
Bill Lane
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Re: {S-Scale List} S scale at Springfield
I will be at Springfield this year as a first time vendor with my railroad art business - The Old Depot Gallery. Though I will not be offering anything S related, please stop and say hi. I'm always happy to talk S scale with anyone and would cherish the opportunity to meet folks from the S yahoo group. I'll be at location 154 within a stones throw of the Sn2 crew. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA Www.olddepotgallery.com Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2013, at 11:46 PM, Jim and Cheryl Martin farnhamho...@ymail.com wrote: Hi Guys. I don't know how many of you S-scalers in the North East plan to attend the big Amherst Railroad Hobby Show in West Springfield, MA later this month, but I've been trolling the show website at: railroadhobbyshow.com If you go to the Who's Who banner on the home page you will be able to view the show floor plan and also the exhibitors list. The floor plan will give you a good idea of where everything is located, and the exhibitors list will tell you where you can find specific exhibitors and in what building. The exhibitor list is especially handy for planning one's shopping. Of specific interest to those on this list are the displays in the Young and Mallary buildings In the Young Building, MTH is at location 87, the Bristol S Gaugers are at location 91. The NASG, Port Line Hobbies, River Raisin, Pine Canyon, Des Plaines Hobbies and SHS (?) are shown at location 90. Next door in the Mallary Building the Sn2 Crew is at location 139, and the S Scale Workshop will be set up at location 166. The S Scale Workshop display will be comprised of most of the same modules that went to Milwaukee in November 2011. We will have one new module in the setup...John Johnston's spectacular Burnt River module featuring his scratch built steel through truss bridge. If you visit the show come on by for a visit. Cheers Jim Martin
Re: {S-Scale List} Plano/DesPlains running boards
Hi Bob, I've never used the DPH roof walks but I have applied their Farr Air grills on the side of my FP-7. For that I've used Walters Goo (sparingly) and it holds rather well. The unit is handled quite a bit and sometimes I even grab it by the grills and they've never let loose. be sure to follow the directions on the Goo by applying to both surfaces and allowing it to set up before mating the two parts. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Jan 4, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Bob Werre wrote: Gentlemen: Although I'm a few days away from using these items, I thought I would ask a couple of questions. I'm about to install the former Plano stainless steel running boards/brake platforms on some PRS cars. I hoping some of you might have paved the way. First off, I don't intend on using superglue to fasten the long roof board, instead on trying something more flexible--perhaps silicon caulking. Seems as though someone else has used that. Next I am still hoping to use the plastic roof grabs that are inserted into the steel--has that worked? And lastly, there some etched brass items included in the package--I don't have a clue what they're for! If anybody has any experience in using these items, let me know of your experiences. Bob Werre PhotoTraxx
RE: {S-Scale List} Gluing Urethane resin building kits
Back in the late 80's I had a cast resin caboose kit by S cenery Unlimited. it
was a really nice kit and I am not sure if it is still in production. it
consisted of 2sides 2 ends and the cupola consisted of 2 sides and 2 ends plus
the roof for each. I tack glued it with acc then when each box was assembled
and before installing the roof of each I solid glued each corner joint with 30
minute epoxy and let it set overnight. When the epoxy had fully cured I then
added the roof of the cupola and the main roof then masked and painted it.
Turned out pretty good. Bob LampeTo: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
From: user141...@mediacombb.net
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 19:25:18 +
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Gluing Urethane resin building kits
I built one of Don's resin boxcar kits back in the late '70's It runs on
SHABBONA to this day, but I forgot what I used for adhesive to hold it
together. It's a nice car and does everything it's supposed to
boB Nicholson __
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson wrote:
Dear Dale, I have built up half a dozen of them. I would rough up the
gluing surface in hopes of getting better adhesion. I used epoxy...
Don
On Jan 2, 2013, at 8:46 PM, Dale wrote:
We are having trouble getting The DSL Shops urethane resin building kits to
hold together after gluing. We have tried several different glues including
CA cements, etc but the joints won't hold. Has anybody had good sucess
gluing these nice building together?
Dale DeWitt
RE: {S-Scale List} Gluing Urethane resin building kits
BillFrom what I understand Don copied it from the Athearn version in HO .
My problem is since I model Northern Paific I can not find an exact NP
prototype for it in any of my NP books. But even still it is a nice looking
model. Bob LampeTo: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
From: scaleso...@cableone.net
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 15:49:59 -0700
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Gluing Urethane resin building kits [2 Attachments]
[Attachment(s) from scale S only included below]
Hi Bob and Bob W.---
I did the written review of that caboose for the “S Gaugian”.
Unfortunately, Don wanted black and white photos and although I went through
two
rolls of film, I could not get good photos produced by our rather crappy photo
store, so he substituted someone else’s caboose, in color.
I did quite a few things different from the original kit in order to make
it look better and fit better. All I used to assemble it was the
medium viscosity instant glue which has held up for, what?, maybe 20 years with
a lot of run time plus a move to AZ.It is still awaiting
paint, as I only recently decided what colors I am using on my
cabooses. Photo attached of the SU ATSF caboose against a SWM
brass version. The loose running board is a consequence of my only
barely gluing them down because they are coming off while the caboose is
painted, then reapplied.
In answer to Bob W.’s question about the Plano/DPH etched running boards, I
have found the medium viscosity instant glue to be adequate, and less likely to
clog up the etching. Charlie Weston also makes brass corner grabs to
fit the lateral walks which are the cat’s butt, and the perfect compliment to
the improved walkways. I don’t remember any “extra” parts in the
package from either Plano or DPH, just the lateral walk frame and the brake
platform.
Have fun!
Bill Winans
---
Back in the late 80's I had a cast resin
caboose kit by S cenery Unlimited. it was a really nice kit and I am not sure
if
it is still in production. it consisted of 2sides 2 ends and the cupola
consisted of 2 sides and 2 ends plus the roof for each. I tack glued it with
acc then when each box was assembled and before installing the roof of each I
solid glued each corner joint with 30 minute epoxy and let it set overnight.
When the epoxy had fully cured I then added the roof of the cupola and the main
roof then masked and painted it. Turned out pretty good. Bob
Lampe
RE: {S-Scale List} Gluing Urethane resin building kits
Hi Bill,Thanks I have the book Painting and Lettering Guide to Northern
Pacific Freight and passenger Equipment. There are some very good pictures of
not only boxcars but almost every type car NP owned. There are very good pics
of cabooses and like you say and AM wood caboose would make a perfect start for
one of NP's wood cabooses. Their steel bay window caboose would make a good
starting platform for a milwaukee bay window caboose or even a model of one of
the last bay window cabooses purchased by the Butte Anaconda and Pacific.
Bob Lampe To:
S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
From: scaleso...@cableone.net
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 16:24:23 -0700
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Gluing Urethane resin building kits [2 Attachments]
[Attachment(s) from scale S only included below]
Hi Bob --
The NP had some really nice small wooden cabooses that I think
would be relatively easy to scratch build using either wood or
plastic. I had a young teen customer who did that in HO and they
came out quite well.You could even start by cutting up an AM
wood caboose. The cupola and roof are removable, so all you would
have to do is section the body in some appropriate spots and
reassemble. That sort of conversion is pretty easy and gives good
results for not much effort.
I did that to an AM bay window caboose, following no
prototype. (photos) Same deal on the paint, though my first attempt
at painting it did not work well, so it has been stripped and is still waiting
for me to try again.
Have fun!
Bill Winans
My problem is since I
model Northern Paific I can not find an exact NP prototype for it in any of my
NP books. But even still it is a nice looking model.
Bob
Lampe
Re: {S-Scale List} Northwest S Scalers Club
Hi Peter,
The e-mail address should be bor...@comcast.net
We are small group and of late have not been very active but I would be happy
to talk to anyone interested.
Bob Boring
- Original Message -
From: Peter Vanvliet
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 9:25 AM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Northwest S Scalers Club
Hi All,
The e-mail address listed on the NASG web site for this club bounces. Is
someone on this list a member of that club, or know of someone who is a member
of that club? If so, could you pass on to me any updated contact info, or
forward this e-mail to someone in that club?
A new S-scaler is trying to get in touch with that club.
Thank you so much,
- Peter.
--
Peter Vanvliet (pe...@fourthray.com)
Houston, Texas
My Model Railroad Site (RSS feed)
Fourth Ray Software
Houston S Gaugers
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RE: {S-Scale List} Re: cleaning weathered rail
Don, That's good information. I'm going to stop using the stuff. An article
in Model railroader several years ago suggested using it for track and wheel
cleaning.Bob in Kalispell To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
From: d...@stacktalk.com
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:27:53 -0500
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: cleaning weathered rail
Goo Gone... One of our customers decided to clean his SHS freight car
wheels with Goo Gone. He dipped each truck into the solution and then wiped
down the wheels. The delrin bearings slowly dissolved as he ran the freight
cars around. We replaced the trucks for him. I just wonder what Goo Gone over
time might do to the tiny delrin spikes on the plastic ties of flex track?Don
On Dec 31, 2012, at 5:13 PM, richgajnak wrote:
Ther appears to be as many theories about cleaning track as there are stars
in the sky.
It all boils down to whatever works for you.
Personally, even though my layout's in an unfinished basement, I only
occasionally have to run a Centerline track cleaning car with Goo-Gone on the
roller.
For the occasional tough spot in switch points or nasty dark spot, I use a
Brite-Boy.
I've also noticed my DC locomotives tend to find the nasty spots faster than my
DCC locomotives.
Rich G(ajnak)
RE: {S-Scale List} SHS F7 Head Light
I can't start new thread from my cell. Could someone please post Hoquat's
address and if catalog is still 5 bucks? Bob Lampe
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
From: silvergo...@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 14:57:27 -0800
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} SHS F7 Head Light
Don,
Do all of your diesel locomotives have 5VDC bulbs, or do they vary with model?
Bill Rigsby, in snowy Tehachapi
--- On Sat, 12/29/12, Don Thompson d...@stacktalk.com wrote:
From: Don Thompson d...@stacktalk.com
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} SHS F7 Head Light
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 29, 2012, 1:23 PM
Dear Steve, The bulb in the F7 is rated at 5 volts.
Don
On Dec 29, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Steve Lunde wrote:
I have an SHS F7 and was wondering if anyone has installed a LED for the head
light? I am running DCC with the SHS original sound decoder. Was was
wondering what the voltage for the head light is comming from the decoder?
Thanks,
Steve Lunde
RE: {S-Scale List} MTH Catalog for 2013 - Its supposed to be available online this month
I've been afraid they'll price me out of the hobby completely. Bob Lampe
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
From: clipper...@att.net
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 14:29:36 -0800
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} MTH Catalog for 2013 - Its supposed to be
available online this month
earl:you can bet that the new stuff is going to be a price shocker, better to
buyit now, if you can find it, at least you will have it, when you need itmel
On Dec 23, 2012, at 2:11 PM, tennsga...@aol.com wrote: The
January-February issue of the S Gaugian has an ad for MTH that says See The
2013 Catalog Online, Coming December 2012. I am a little more impatient
that I wish I was. I have been checking the link nearly every day. Thus far
the S catalog is not listed on the website. The link given is
www.mthsgaugetrains.com. I am especially interested in seeing if flextrack
and wide radius turnouts will be offered. Also am hoping that there will be
some F units in more paint schemes. - Earl Henry, Nashville
RE: {S-Scale List} Re: The Y3
Changing hi-rail wheels for scale in a diesel wouldn't be so bad but it would
seem to me that the drivers on a steamer would present a problem. The side rods
would have to be made anew in order to fit unless the drivers tire diameter
itself were of a scale diameter to begin with. When i was in HO a lot of
foreign imports used high flanges on the wheels this presented a problem when
running on code 70 rail which was the norm back then for scale appearance. the
flanges rode on top of the ties so a lot of guys who had the means turned the
flanges or else bought custom drivers or replaced wheels with those that had
smaller flanges.
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
From: brian__jack...@hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 17:14:39 +
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: The Y3
I bet Jim Kindraka has experience in this and can explain.
Brian Jackson
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Brian Jackson brian__jackson@... wrote:
Bob,
I'm pretty sure even brass locos designed for Code 110 operation from the
outset use larger spacing between drivers than the prototype. So maybe there
is already built-in slack?
Brian Jackson
Re: {S-Scale List} recent post of GP-7 detailing
Hi Alan, Try this: http://sscale.org/782/volume-1-no-11-converting-gp9-to-gp7/ If you have any specific questions about the conversion, please feel free to contact me. Thanks. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Dec 20, 2012, at 10:18 AM, Alan Evans wrote: List, Trying to locate the recent posting of the excellent super detailing of an AM GP-7. Thanks for help! Alan Evans Gahanna, Ohio
RE: {S-Scale List} Re: new stuff - generally a good thing
I model the NP and MILW so the newest locomotives for me would be SD-45's or
SD-40's
To: s-scale@yahoogroups.com
From: alex.bink...@sympatico.ca
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 18:00:03 +
Subject: RE: {S-Scale List} Re: new stuff - generally a good thing
Il will second the plaudits for American Models.
cheers
Alex Binkley
RE: {S-Scale List} Re: Mixing (and matching) paint
I base what I stated on Model Railroader Magazine and Walthers who both stated
this fact years ago. Bob in Kalispell
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
From: raisin...@wi.rr.com
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:15:25 +
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: Mixing (and matching) paint
Brian:
While I can certainly understand Latex house paint being different and cannot
speak for mass marketed model paints; I do know for a fact that factory paint
jobs on brass models from Korea are done with automotive pigments and colors.
At least two of the builders are close to a Hyundai plant and take the paint
match coupons we provide to Hyundai to be matched - with automotive paints.
Considering all of the super intricate paint highlighting available today on
some cars and certainly motorcycles, this smells a bit more like a myth; but
again I can only speak factually of models I've imported painted in Korea...
Jim Kindraka
Plymouth, WI
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Brian Jackson wrote:
It's true. You can verify it by taking some latex house paint, thinning it,
and trying to spray it through your airbrush. It will sputter and clog.
RE: {S-Scale List} Mixing (and matching) paint
Just my 2 cents worth gangbear in mind that the color pigments for model
paints are ground much finer than those for a car or house therefore by using
automotive paint on your models you may not get good coverage. Also I NEVER mix
brands If I am using ScalecoatII then I use Scalecoat II thinner. I prefer
ScalecoatII but they do not have a few of the colors which i use so sometimes I
have to mix custom colors.
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
From: shur-...@sbcglobal.net
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 22:32:53 +
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Mixing (and matching) paint
I get my colors from my auto body shop. Today we use a water base paint
and it works very well for me on my model trains. The paint shop has a color
book with every imaginable shade with a formula. Sprays, dries and covers just
like model water base. And is just as thin. Will not harm plastic and use a
shake can of etch primer on raw brass. The etch prime is so thin you can see
thru it.
If you are having a problem of matching the sheen and to help with good color
match. Try what we did way back in the lacquer days. Your first coat would be
on the whole panel and it would be a gloss clear. Let dry then lay down your
color and blend out. Let dry so you don't move your color and cover with your
dull or semi dull finish coat.
Mike S
RE: {S-Scale List} Fw: Easy DCC
Seems to me that 8 throttles of any type would be almost more than enough. it
would also seem to me that even with 8 you'd have engineers tripping over one
another. Thankfully I only plan on maybe 6 at most. The layout I have been
designing woulkd handle 8 but 8 most likely would not be needed. With 8 the 2
extra would be relegated to yard duty anyway however that can be an adventure
in itself.
Bob Lampe
Kalispell, MT
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
From: scaleso...@cableone.net
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 09:43:13 -0700
Subject: {S-Scale List} Fw: Easy DCC
Hi all --
I thought Paul's answer to Bob Lampe about Easy DCC might be
of interest to the whole group. I have known Paul for at least 20
years and he doesn't beat around the bush. He holds monthly
TTTO operations on his large HO layout.
Bill Winans
Prescott Valley, AZ
-
From: Paul Catapano
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 9:23 AM
To: Robert Lampe
Cc: Bill Winans
Subject: RE: Easy DCC
Robert,
I have been running East DCC for ten years now.
It is, as the name implies, Easy to install. I would guess
that aside from soldiering drops to the track and actually running the throttle
buss through out the layout, it took me one hour to install the entire system
and have it running.
I run 8 wireless throttles and about 8 more plug-ins for a
total of some 16 throttles, not counting the two at the command
station.
My layout requires that 13 positions have a throttle. There
are six switching positions, that is jobs that do a LOT of switching. What that
means is a lot of commands going to and from the command station. Stop, go,
back-up, go forward, etc
Since the up-grade I purchased about six years ago at the
Anaheim NMRA convention I have to say , honestly, I have had NO, that's
ZERO, problems with the Easy DCC software.
If I were to break down my problems it would be, 95%
operator error, and 5% hardware breakdown.
It works flawlessly, all the time, every time, with no
maintanence by me. Period.
I get around. I have used a LOT of other systems at a lot of
other layouts, under a lot of other situations, all over the country. Easy
DCC is nearly the easiest to use. LIGHT YEARS easier than
Digitraks.
Now for the downside:
1) You must promise on the lives of your children or
grandchildren that you can never use more than 8 wireless throttles on your
layout, EVER. I do not care what ANYONE tells you, Easy DCC will not support
the
use of more than 8 wireless throttles. You will hear stories about how so and
so
is using 16, 24 etc etc, They have gone through MANY hurdles, and jump through
MANY hoops to acheive that, and it is no simple up grade to do that. Frankly
once you delve deeper and ask some searching questions you begin to find out
that most of those stories all have a lot of caviates. Easy DCC will not
support
more than 8 wireless throttles.
2) Easy DCC's software, the way it is written is so back
asswards, as to be almost incomprehensible. Why they chose to use the procedure
to assign throttle ID, something that should only need to be done ONCE in the
life of the throttle, the way they did; The reason for about 90% of my operator
errors, is so totally beyond me I have nothing to compare it to. Easy
DCC's position that it is operator training, Paul, you just haven't trained
your crew well enough, after ten, that's 10, years of operation with the same
crew is total BULL SHIT!! The key pad should have some sort of lock out, or
something, ANYTHING!. No one I know that has Easy DCC has found a solution to
this problem, and they ALL complain about it.
3) Easy DCC will not allow you to consist locomotives together
at the throttle, you must do it at the command station. This has become a
bigger
and bigger problem for me as the years have gone by, because my op session has
grown in scope and complexity, and that ability is a necessity. I'm living
without it, but on my next Comand Control System purchase it WILL be a deal
breaker.
Now, knowing what I know NOW, and when I build another
layout I'd probably go with NCE, but only because of the ability to consist
locomotives during Helper operations and for NO other reasons. And if I were to
build another layout that did not have such a focus on Helper Operations I
would
stay with Easy DCC.
Also your layout size will be a huge factor. I run a relative
giant layout, if it were significantly smaller I can think of NO reason not to
go with Easy DCC.
Paul Catapano
RE: {S-Scale List} Pacific Rail Shops?
I had a few of those PRS kits and man they were nice. I hope that Des Plaines
Hobbies begins producing them in kit form they were (in my honest opinion) the
nicest kits I have ever assembled and as close to superdetailed as you can get
in a kit.
Bob
In Kalispell, MT
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
From: coalsmoker2...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 02:23:31 +
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Pacific Rail Shops?
They also have listed a 50' State of Maine box thats fairly recent.
Haven't seen any pic's though.
Bob Davis
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, richgajnak rustytraque@... wrote:
Other than the CASG 2010 S Fest EJE 40' boxcars this past June, I beleive
the CEI 40 footers are the only recent box cars.
You have to remember, DPH/SSA also got booted out by Sanda Kan and has to
reestablish their operations elsewhere.
Rich G(ajnak)
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, etuson etuson@ wrote:
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, gsc3 gsc3@ wrote:
To be precise, doesn't Des Plaines only offer some of the reefers and
covered hoppers, but none of the boxcars presently? This might be
important for newcomers to know if it is the case.
Ron did release a CEI box car since taking on the PRS product line. I am
not aware of other new roadnames on the box cars.
Earl Tuson
RE: {S-Scale List} Re: still more DCCisms
Bud you're a bloody genius miniature come-a-alongs we'll make millions
lololololololololololololol
Bob in
Kalispell, MT
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
From: tennsga...@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:36:03 -0500
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: still more DCCisms
So does that make you String Bud?
- Earl Henry, Nashville
In a message dated 12/11/2012 4:16:56 P.M. Central Standard Time,
blackdiamon...@gmail.com writes:
What boB isn't telling you though, is in order to couple up and go with
straight DC, one has to pull the locomotives together with string while the
power is off, otherwise the units would tend to run away from each other!
LOL,
hope no offense taken, Bob, I don't have DCC either! Hmmm might be a market
for miniature come alongs!
Bud Rindfleisch
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com,
shabbona_rr user141771@... wrote:
On SHABBONA,
locomotives run in any consist and any configuration at any time. Just couple
up and go!
boB Nicholson
RE: {S-Scale List} Dual Decoders
The only way I would even consider running 2 decoders is if I were running an E unit, DD-35 or DD-40 with 2 prime movers in it. Since the railroads I model never used any of those then a single decoder will do for me. In addition there is the cost to figure. Most decoders are not inexpensive. maybe in a few more years but not right now. Bob Lampe In Kalispell Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: {S-Scale List} Re: DCC preferences (Bob Nicholson's feedback)
Anybody know anything about CVP's easy DCC? I been considering going with it
anmd maybe soundtraxx or MRC decoders
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
From: tennsga...@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:51:55 -0500
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: DCC preferences (Bob Nicholson's feedback)
Looks like Bob Nicholson is getting to be a DCC expert! Way to go
Bob!
Did you go NCE?
- Earl Henry, Nashville
In a message dated 12/10/2012 4:10:53 P.M. Central Standard Time,
user141...@mediacombb.net writes:
Couldn't you use a miniature plug between the tender and the
locomotive?
boB Nicholson
-
NO
wires ever between the loco tender unless the loco tender can
be
stored in its box without separating them. (SHS, Rex a VERY
few others)
are like this.
Thank You,
Bill
Lane
Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale
since 1987
See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com/ http://www.lanestrains.com
Look
at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!
See my layout progess at:
http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm
http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm
Custom Train Parts Design
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm
PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded
(Trading is
MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls
***Join the PRR THS***
The other members are
not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com/ http://www.prrths.com
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf
Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical
Society
It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com/ http://www.prslhs.com
Preserving
The Memory Of The PRSL
RE: {S-Scale List} Re: DCC preferences (Bob Nicholson's feedback)
Oops sorry group I forgot to sign my name on my previous posting
Bob Lampe
In Kalispell
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
From: tennsga...@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:51:55 -0500
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: DCC preferences (Bob Nicholson's feedback)
Looks like Bob Nicholson is getting to be a DCC expert! Way to go
Bob!
Did you go NCE?
- Earl Henry, Nashville
In a message dated 12/10/2012 4:10:53 P.M. Central Standard Time,
user141...@mediacombb.net writes:
Couldn't you use a miniature plug between the tender and the
locomotive?
boB Nicholson
-
NO
wires ever between the loco tender unless the loco tender can
be
stored in its box without separating them. (SHS, Rex a VERY
few others)
are like this.
Thank You,
Bill
Lane
Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale
since 1987
See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com/ http://www.lanestrains.com
Look
at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!
See my layout progess at:
http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm
http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm
Custom Train Parts Design
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm
PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded
(Trading is
MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls
***Join the PRR THS***
The other members are
not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com/ http://www.prrths.com
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf
Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical
Society
It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com/ http://www.prslhs.com
Preserving
The Memory Of The PRSL
Re: {S-Scale List} GLa conversion
Keith, I agree that SHS ribbed-side hoper makes a nice GLa conversion. The differences that you mentioned are not all that significant and the overall look is quite good. I liked the way that you tapered the ribs in true Pennsy style. I look forward to obtaining a bunch of your end details to enable me to do the same. So taking this process one step further, would it then be possible to combine two SHS cars into one H21a? Food for thought. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Nov 16, 2012, at 12:29 AM, kbt000 wrote: I've been contemplating whether to make the effort to cut down the SHS USRA sides to the correct height for a GLa. Earl Tuson pointed out that with the top removed it would be easy to taper the side ribs, another distinguishing feature of the GLa. Since I am waiting on casting supplies I had some time to kill. I posted two photos of the results: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/photos/album/2014569748/pic/list?mode=tno\ rder=ordinalstart=1dir=asc Cutting the top off was fairly easy with a razor saw. But first I marked where the side should be cut down to. For that operation I used a belt sander, with much care. Earl was correct, once the top was off, I was able to file down the ribs. The last photo is the car with the top reattached and the original SHS handrails added to the sills and the brake platform put back (moved from the original position). I need to find a brake wheel and shaft. On the last photo you can also see where a small angled piece of the side has been removed from the corner where the slope meets the side. The most glaring issue that remains is the locations of the handrails (need to be moved up). But I think this is good enough for me. Keith Thompson
Re: {S-Scale List} NWSL Puller II
With Fred's new RP 25 code 110 driver tires I wonder how difficult it would be to change out the tires on those old SSLS drivers. Has anyone tried that? Along with re-gauging, that would certainly improve operation. I have several old SSLS engines that need to be re-gauged. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:39 AM, Bill Lane wrote: About 3 years ago I bought this Reading I10sa. http://www.lanestrains.com/Steam_Locomotive_Photos/Reading_I10sa.jpg The drive wheels needed to be pulled ever so slightly. Fred Ruse got me the NWSL Puller II which did the job perfectly. I just pulled the wheels until they creaked once. The gauge is not perfect. I recently almost had to do the same to a SSLS based Pacific. The drivers would not fit in the Puller II as is. It took a minute of figuring on what do to. All I would have to do is turn the tubing 90 degrees drill a hole and mill a new slot with the big green machine. http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Workshop_Photos/Milling_Machine_1.jpg Reuse the same NWSL parts and you can now pull on larger drivers! Your “Puller II” sticker will get **bruised** though! If you have 1 and want it modified send it to me. It truly would be about 5 minutes work – if you can call it that. Any day I get to use the big green machine is a good day…. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progess at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
Re: {S-Scale List} Caboose Industries
Dave, I use Caboose Industries No. 220S ground throws. It's listed as N HO scales, but it works just fine in S and it has electrical contacts so that you can run power to the frog. The one ft. distance for computing the frog number is measured gage to gage. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Nov 11, 2012, at 10:39 PM, David Engle wrote: Is anyone using their switch machines, especially the ground-throws. Which models are yours, how do they perform? The number of the frog of a switch is the distance from the point to where the rails diverge one foot. Does this include the distance across both railheads, one railhead, or neither railhead? Dave Engle
RE: {S-Scale List} GLa hopper
Actually, Tom I have a drawing of the H21a. The ends are the same .
Bob Frascella
Wenham, MA
On Nov 8, 2012 9:53 PM, Thomas Baker bak...@andrews.edu wrote:
**
Bob,
You have a great start on the PRR GLa hopper. Did you make the end
braces from drawings? Surely, such items are not available on the
commercial market. Yours are exquisite.
Tom
--
*From:* S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [S-Scale@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of
Robert Frascella [frasc...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, November 08, 2012 8:39 AM
*To:* S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
*Subject:* Re: {S-Scale List} GLa hopper
In my box of unfinished S scale projects is a AM ribbed side hopper
conversion to a PRR GLa. Here are the major differences:
1. The AM hopper is 2-ft. longer (though visually not a problem)
2. The end sills are different. This is the major difference. Most
Pennsy hoppers from that era had a projecting end sill. Even the H21a that
Peter Vanveiet scratch built had a similar end with projecting sills.
3. The vertical end supports are double angles with triangular
brackets attaching them to the hopper body instead of the typical single
angles on most hoppers.
4. They had individual grab irons instead of ladders
These are the major differences. So, if you can live with the length
difference, the rest isn't too insurmountable.
Incidentally, a bunch of GLa's were lettered for the Berwind Coal Co.
(served by the Pennsy). I have a set of Berwind decals produced at one
time by John Hall that will eventually find their way onto my completed
GLa. I just posted a photo of my conversion in-process. Look under New
Photos or here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/photos/album/1806668591/pic/710572863/view?picmode=mode=tnorder=ordinalstart=1count=20dir=asc
Bob Frascella
Wenham, MA
On Nov 7, 2012, at 10:11 PM, Bill Lane wrote:
The PRR had a ton of the GLa hoppers – truly in the thousands. You can’t
do a PRR hopper train without them. They never really did anything for me
though. It just looked like a ribbed 2 bay to me. Almost any other PRR
hopper class was more interesting. The last I knew there was a GLa still in
existence up in Buffalo with the group that has the I1.
Thank You,
Bill Lane
Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987
See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!
See my layout progess at:
http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm
Custom Train Parts Design
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm
PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls
***Join the PRR THS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf
Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
Re: {S-Scale List} GLa hopper
Keith, Sounds like a great idea! I'd definitely be interested and from what I can tell be reading all of the other posts on this matter, others would be as well. It would sure make it easier for me. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Nov 9, 2012, at 10:26 AM, kbt000 wrote: I have some H21 ends that I made and cast in resin. I believe I still have molds for them. If some one is interested I should be able to crank out a few. The sills are fairly detailed (IMHO) and would be fine on a GLa. This discussion has prompted me to think about doing some AM 2bay conversions. Send me an email if you are interested. I could post a photo if needed (though I would have to figure out how to do that here) :) Regards, Keith --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Robert Frascella frascerj@... wrote: Actually, Tom I have a drawing of the H21a. The ends are the same . Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Nov 8, 2012 9:53 PM, Thomas Baker bakert@... wrote:
Re: {S-Scale List} Kinsman updated in many cases not possible because they are not correct
I'm actually a big fan of Kinsman kits and have built several over the years with still more to build. I really like the Express Reefer kits and when complete they make a fine model. There's nothing like real wood to simulate a wood car. The steel underbodies are another story. I remember that at one time VT Shops offered a urethane fishbelly underbody and a ribbed roof casting that would fit a 40-ft. car. These would certainly improve the Kinsman reefer and box car kits and save a lot of time. I wonder if the new owner of the VT molds (Wiseman is it?) offers them or plans to do so. Another improvement that I found works well is to substitute the 1/32 underbody basswood material with 1/32 aircraft plywood. This eliminates the wood splitting when you pass through piping and brake levers. The real challenge on the express reefer is drilling holes in the 1/8 wood channel sections for the air and steam lines. This is where plastic has its advantage. I recently finished an express reefer and will post some photos soon. Bob Frascella (trying to get back to) Wenham, MA On Oct 29, 2012, at 9:23 PM, scale S only wrote: Heresy! Bill Winans but am finally beginning to accept that I need no more freight cars on my layout. Roger Nulton
Re: How the election WILL affect S-scalersRe:{S-Scale List}The Presidential Election
Where's the S scale content? This is a thinly veiled political opinion that doesn't belong here despite the metaphor. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:24 PM, empirebuilderjjhill wrote: Avoiding the use of names, one candidate plans to raise taxes nearly 20% by allowing the so-called Bush tax cuts to expire. If, like me, you don't make enough money to be affected directly by these cuts, you're boss(es) and client(s) will be affected, which means that you WILL BE AFFECTED with less raises, and less contracts. If you're an `S'-scale modeler, that means a smaller house (or none at all) and therefore a smaller layout, and less money for trains. Furthermore, this unnamed candidate has presided over a longer period of 8% plus unemployment then all other Presidents since WWII (a situation that could easily have been rectified by merely sitting back and NOT BLOCKING PRIVATE SECTOR PROJECTS, like the Keystone pipeline). Any S-scalers caught in this wave of unemployment would be less able to participate in our hobby. On the other hand, the other candidate has the private sector experience to grow the economy and provide those S-scalers who wish to work (as well as everyone else who wishes to work), with the opportunities to do so and earn the money necessary to engage in their hobbies (and basic needs of life). --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Loizeaux@... wrote: My wife and I will be voting. Tom VOTE! Which candiate will do more for S scale? I have not heard this discussed in any of the debates. Thoughts? ..Ed L.
Re: {S-Scale List} Ed K
Yes, it was 4.0 magnitude quake centered not too far from Ed occurred last
night at 7:16 pm. We felt it down here in the Boston area. No local
damage that I'm aware of. No S scale cars were derailed on my layout.
Bob Frascella
Wenham, MA
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Andre Ming lam...@cebridge.net wrote:
**
**
I must live in a vacuum: What has happened? Earthquake?
Andre Ming
- Original Message -
*From:* Ed Kozlowsky soldado7...@yahoo.com
*To:* S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:36 AM
*Subject:* Re: {S-Scale List} Ed K
The shock was the heaviest I've ever felt. It was as if we were
sitting right on top of it. Quite an adventure, but brief. I can't
imagine what it would be like if it lasted any length of time.
*Ed Kozlowsky*
*Sanford, Maine*
*sscale.org*
Re: {S-Scale List} Re: A-M GP-35
Didn't some roads order GP-35s with trade in ALCO trucks? GMO maybe. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Oct 10, 2012 8:02 AM, Christopher Borgmeyer cborgme...@me.com wrote: ** Vintage Alco trucks tend to be a General Steel Castings 4 wheel swing bolster truck with a 9'4 wheelbase. EMD GP's tend to use their own EMD swing hanger freight truck (sometimes called a Blomberg truck) which is a similar style B truck but has a 9' wheelbase. The story around these parts goes Ron was developing an Alco diesel first therefore he tooled the GSC version of the truck. Yes, the trucks are not exactly right (in several ways) for GP's. To address your question, the wheelbase is 4 scale inches too long. A 1/16 in S scale. Chris Borgmeyer --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups**.com S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com, David Engle rirocket@..**. wrote: Someone told me years back that the A-M GP-35 has a truck center distance shorter than prototype so they could use the same frame as for the GP-9. Anything to this? DJE
Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Wabash F Shells
Bud Thanks for sharing the info on the Wabash Valley/Enhorning shells. As you noted, there were a few anomalies with them, but overall they were nice for their time (especially the WV shells molded in styrene ). One of the biggest anomalies was the way the square ends followed the taper of the roof end. No F-unit was ever built that way. But, it's not all that difficult to correct. I've corrected both ends on my F7B. If you look in the photo section under the Bob Frascella's FP-7 file, you can see how I corrected mine and detailed the end door. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Oct 7, 2012 9:46 PM, Bud Rindfleisch blackdiamon...@gmail.com wrote: Despite Enhorning's designation of F-7 and even F-9 in later years, the shell still replicates a phase IV F-3, low 36 fans, two dynamic brake screens (or just marked screen outlines, no screen detail) However, close scrutiny reveals, in addition to the E-8 style flat integral number boards, sand filler hatches on the cab end in the lower E unit location. (I noticed this after Gale Hall pointed it out.) It also was in the wrong location for the striping my road uses, so I got some resin replacements from Gale and relocated them up a bit higher where they should be. I did my first one years before SHS, BTS or anyone else had 36 cap top fans. I used HO scale Details West 48 fans which scale out to the 36 of S, but are not see through, only solid castings but well detailed. Bud Rindfleisch Sat Oct 6, 2012 5:42 pm (PDT) . Posted by:David Engle rirocket@... I always thought the Enhorning units were F-7s, in addition to F-7 grilles, they used the same cooling fan as the F-7, not the F-2. Enhorning claimed it was a F-7, though he first said it was going to be a F-3. Ads in �Model Railroader� magazine had this: �EMD F-3 A-Unit Loco Available Soon� (April, 1950), and �EMD F-7 A unit, ready to run, $37.50, EMD F-7 B unit, ready to run, $35.00� (October, 1950). -- Bill Roberts, Receiver San Antonio Aransas Pass Railway Co. * * * Notice to travelers * * * Fishermen's Specials to Aransas Pass Rockport $1.00 Round Trip Every Sunday Step from Train to Boat The train takes you direct to the famous fleets of Gulf fishing boats that are manned by seasoned crews and well-known skippers, who know to go without delay where the fish are biting. Even the greenest of amateurs is assured of great sport and large catches when he steps across from the train on to one of these boats! Any fish left on trains will be held for twenty-four hours at the ticket office in Yoakum and thereafter forwarded to the baggage room in San Antonio.
Re: {S-Scale List} PRR A5
Really nice, Bill. Too bad that whoever acquired Rex vanished into the sunset. It would be nice to build one of those or even a B6s. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Oct 7, 2012 1:13 PM, Bill Lane b...@lanestrains.com wrote: ** [Attachment(s) #13a3c6e3601aa7a2_TopText from Bill Lane included below] This is my 1 of a kind PRR A5. It was built by Sam Powell from Rex parts. I am very happy to own it. Among other things it is on the list for a redo including a new paint job and moving the tender steps to the correct side. ** ** I am now looking at improving the electrical pick up. It has Ace equalized trucks on the tender. Does anyone know the NWSL item number for the nickel silver wheels that fit in Ace trucks? ** ** I have been running it for a few days now on the new layout. What until you can see what it pulls! ** ** Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! ** ** See my layout progess at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL ** **
Re: {S-Scale List} DCC Operated Couplers
How about uncoupling helpers on the fly? That would be a neat feature. Could
even do it in a tunnel (though I wouldn't want to try it).
Bob Frascella
Wenham, MA
On Oct 3, 2012, at 7:31 AM, Ed Kozlowsky wrote:
Of what use would a DCC operated coupler be if it was only on the loco? Can
you imagine how many addresses you'd have if each end of every car had one?
Not to mention the cost!
Ed Kozlowsky
Sanford, Maine
sscale.org
From: richgajnak rustytra...@sbcglobal.net
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} MTH Flyer
--- In mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com, Tom Hawley t.hawley@... wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Bill Lane
. . . . . . . . . . . the thought of DCC operated couplers really intrigues
me.
DCC scale couplers? Or like the Lionel U33C, digital-controlled BIG
couplers one removes and replaces with KDs (or other appropriate available
coupler)? If scale, that will be something.
Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich
Tom,
MTH has had a DCC operated Kadee compatible coupler on their HO locomotives
for several years. It's oversized for HO but ought to be just about right for
S.
Rich G(ajnak)
Re: {S-Scale List} EBT Fall Spectacular 2012
Nice Job, Roy. Are those HO hoppers converted to Sn3? Very convincing. A long time ago (way before BTS entered Sn3) I attempted to model the EBT in S Scale. I started building EBT No. 15 using an HO Bowser 2-8-2 mechanism narrowed to Sn3. It's still in the to be finished someday box. For now I'm just focusing on S standard gauge, but not ruling out an EBT-ish branch line. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Sep 26, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Roy wrote: As you may know, the prototype East Broad Top didn't operate this year which also means that there won't be the annual Fall Spectacular. I wrote a 'what if' article for my website depicting a ficticious 2012 Fall Spectacular. All of us EBT fans are hoping that things get resolved and everything is up and running in 2013. I hope you will enjoy it. It's at: http://royhoffman.com/pwrr/fallspec Roy Hoffman
{S-Scale List} Re:
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{S-Scale List} Re: Earlier Messages from me.
IGNORE THE EARLIER MESSAGES FROM ME THAT SUGGEST THE REFERENCED SITE WOULD BE INTERESTING! I did not actually send them. My email directory was hacked and several hundred messages were sent to members in my address book. I am taking action to avoid a repetition. Sorry! Bob
{S-Scale List} Re: It's all in their heritage...
Now, Rachel, I am so long in the tooth that I expect to pass over the Rubicon 'ere long, but I certainly don't want to be among a bunch of hogs even if heaven is where I end up (though that is unlikely). All my relatives and most of my friends, especially the S scaler/gaugers, are gonna be down below---roasting hotdogs, of course! Bob Jackson
Re: {S-Scale List} track
Rachel, I use Tomalco track exclusively on my layout. It's easy to use, it curves nicely and looks fantastic when ballasted. I use code 100 for mainline track and code 83 for yard track. Check out my blog and take a look at Southport Yard all constructed with Tomalco flex-track. http://bobssscaleprrelimrabranch.blogspot.com/ I secure the track with silicon adhesive (recommended by Tomalco) on a homosote base. I use push pins top hold the track in place until the adhesive sets up. Turnouts are a different story. I prefer to build my own, but Tomalco has those as well. Good luck and welcome to S Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Bill Lane b...@lanestrains.com wrote: ** Rachel, ** ** Most Scalers use code 100 rail. If you are not interested in hand laying track Tomalco has the “one stop shopping” in S for flex track and turnouts. I don’t know the reasons for it but Larry must have had website issues. He changed the address from .com to .net and it is much less useful now. Nonetheless the contact info is http://www.tomalcotrack.net He has smaller code flex track and turnouts as well. ** ** Larry is likely at the convention now. ** ** Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! ** ** See my layout progess at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL ** **
Re: {S-Scale List} be careful what you inhale!
Bob, Please have your eyes checked for Macular Degeneration. That is how my
wife's eyes started going bad and there may be treatment available before it is
too far along.
Required RR contents: I always enjoy your comments and wisdom about S scale.
Don't want you to miss anything.
Take Care
Bob Boring
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From: Bob Werre
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} be careful what you inhale!
John, Back more than a couple of years ago. Don Thompson, sent me a few coal
loads to decorate his new hopper cars. These might have been from Blue Mt. ??,
anyway the bracing in the cars interfered with the coal load. I then took my
solder gun and burned away some of the foam underneath the load. The fumes
were very toxic and I couldn't escape them. I decided to use a modeling knife
after that!
I do have a problem with my right eye--I see everything distorted--no such
thing as a straight line anymore with that eye. So now both eyes have a heated
discussion about that information to send to my brain! So that affects my
track laying too. I'm glad my work now is mostly maintenance rather than
starting from scratch--and I only have one and one half chins!
Bob Werre
On 8/6/12 2:19 PM, John Albee wrote:
I enjoy both of your thoughts and it is wonderful to see boB back in action!
I've spent the last week relaying my grain elevator trackage to S scale.
Unfortunately, I've learned a lesson the hard way. Because of my eyesight
I have to literally lay my chin (all 3 of them) on the edge if the layout to
even attempt to see soldering, track joiners, etc. unfortunately, while doing
this, I inhales a lot of the fine grass and solder smome, which has left me
gasping for breath at times.
Let my experience warn others to be more careful than I was.
Hard lesson.
S
Re: {S-Scale List} Handle Tags the REA building gets its forklift
Bill, Who's express reefer is that in the photo? It looks like an old Kinsman kit, but the end sill is different. Bob Frascella Wench man, MA Sent from my iPad On Jul 25, 2012, at 4:21 PM, Bill Lane b...@lanestrains.com wrote: [Attachment(s) from Bill Lane included below] So far I have been taking locomotives out of the box to run – sometimes for the first time in MANY years to run. Some get run for a month or three and get swapped out. Others get parked and become scenery. I am starting to get “train bound” where I should not put more trains on the layout without swapping out for others. I am usually by myself when I run. I typically have 3 handles live and running. I have gotten in the habit of using one handle per loco. I do NOT consist – ever – and my handles are set to not hold other addresses for recall. So when I fire up the layout I went “loco hunting” trying to find the handle I wanted. That is when I made these handle tags with cardboard and Avery shipping labels. They are held on with Velcro. I make the tags a few at a time. I think it will help greatly with Newbies as well. My 4 year old Great Nephew used a handle on the day after I put the tags own. He seemed to understand what he was running. I use the wired handle as the floater for switchers etc. The Railway Express Building has its new Artista forklift. As it turns out the mast just fits under the awning roof showing the building’s HO heritage. I might trim it down a bit. Otherwise I am very happy with it. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progess at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL IMG_2841.jpg
Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Basic Geometry
Darrel, On a circular curve you would need to know som other parameters, such as the tangent length (T) in feet, the intersection of the straight lines projected from the ebginning and end points of the curve, and the angle created by the two tangents (I). Then you can use the formula: T = R tan 1/2 I, or to find the radius: R = tan 1/2 I divided by T Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Darrell darrell.ev.sm...@gmail.com wrote: ** OK, let me refine my explanation. I'm using chord for the straight line segment from one point to another on the circle. I'm using arc for the straight line from the center of the chord to the curve. Probably incorrect terminology, and I hope those are the dimensions you have. Darrell --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Darrell darrell.ev.smith@... wrote: If you have a computer (I assume you do or you wouldn't be HERE) you have a calculator of sufficient capacity. You merely need to know the formula. where c is the length of the chord and a is the length of the arc, radius = (a² + 1/4c²)/2a Plug in your values, do the math, and there you are. so. square a and add to memory. square c and multiply x .25 and add to memory. recall memory and divide by two, then divide by a. you are done. Darrell --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, David Engle rirocket@ wrote: Can someone please recommend a cheap calculator or app that will do the radius of a curve when the arc and chord lengths are measured. DJE
{S-Scale List} Feelings, ie Heart Valves
Replacement heart valves for human hearts can not only be mechanical (which can produce clicks during operation) or porcine, but also bovine. I had an aortic valve replacement a number of years ago and it was a mooving experience! Bob Jackson
{S-Scale List} AC vs DC
I certainly don't want to get into the brouhaha demonstrated by earlier discussion of this subject; I do want to add what I believe is the underlying reason for AC in the first place. The electrical power that comes into almost all homes in the U.S. is alternating current, ie, AC, and is most often in the range of 110 volts. To use this source of power to run model trains requires that it be stepped-down to something on the order of 15-16 volts. What follows are the transformers of train-sets. These transformers can be made to step-down the voltage over a fairly narrow range, and to step-up the voltage through the same range merely by rotating a dial back and forth between two physical limits, thus producing an essentially simplistic means of controlling the speed of the locomotive by merely turning the dial. Now to use this same source of electrical power for direct current, ie, DC, requires an additional process, namely rectification. The term simply means that the electrical current on a pair of leads is always plus on one lead and minus on the other. That is it no longer alternates rapidly between + and - on each lead. This additional complexity and additional cost is is avoidable if the model locomotives remain set up for AC operation.
{S-Scale List} Re:
wow this is pretty crazy you should look into it http://www.news15de.net/biz/?read=8266512 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Help please
Jim,
If you're looking to build really light weight modules take a look at the
construction details from this Rhode Island On30 modular group:
http://www.trainweb.org/nbrandn/standards.htm
I was really impressed with the strength of their modules considering how
light weight they are. Some really cool framing ideas there.
Bob Frascella
Wenham, MA
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Jim and Cheryl Martin
farnhamho...@ymail.com wrote:
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Hi Bill.
The article was an introductory piece about the numerous sizes and types
of Gator foam and their applications for model railroad
construction...buildings, bases etc.
As I get older, my Free-Mo modules seem to be gaining weight. I plan to
retire my current modules to the basement after next January's Springfield
show, and I'm thinking of building new ones out of Gator foam board. I'm
trying for a target weight of 10-15 pounds per module.
If the article can't be found, I can find websites on how to glue it and
use it.
Thanks
Jim Martin
--
*From:* Bill Rigsby silvergo...@yahoo.com
*To:* S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2012 3:04:06 AM
*Subject:* Re: {S-Scale List} Help please
Was that the article about the use of form board to lay track work on?
Bill
--- On *Sun, 5/13/12, Jim and Cheryl Martin farnhamho...@ymail.com*wrote:
From: Jim and Cheryl Martin farnhamho...@ymail.com
Subject: {S-Scale List} Help please
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 13, 2012, 8:41 PM
I've been looking for an article that I believe was in RMC a few years
back on using Gator foam board. I've scoured all my back issues but have
come up empty. Can anybody provide me with the date of the issue this
article was in?
Thanks
Jim Martin
{S-Scale List} Paint filter
Thorin, Take some glass wool and stuff a medium sized funnel with it. Use enough glass wool to fill the funnel up to about 3/4ths of its volume. Then press the wool down to make a sort-of-tight fit inside the funnel. This last is to ensure that no paint lumps can pass through the wool. Then pour your paint in the center of the wool pad. This should hold the lumps from passing but allow the liquid paint to flow into the container below the funnel. May take a bit of experimentation to get the hang of it, but it should work. Bob Jackson
Re: {S-Scale List} BL-2 (was Projects II
One is currently running on the Saratoga and North Creek in Upstate NY. It's painted in a blue and grey DH-like paint scheme. Not sure of its heritage. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Bill Diane, B.T.S. wade...@ix.netcom.com wrote: ** On 4/12/2012 3:54 PM, JGG KahnSr wrote: I think an ex-Monon unit is one of the very few surviving ones--at the Kentucky museum, if memory serves. There are 3 or 4 BLs still around. A Western Maryland unit is still earning its keep in Belington WV doing freight and passenger service on the West Virginia Central. As with much of the WVC equipment, it is painted in correct WM colors. WVC also runs an A-B-A set of Fs in WM and last year added a GP9 in BO to the roster. Tis like living in a time warp! Take care Bill -- == Scale Model Railroad Products == == Manufacturer - Retailer - Importer == Bill and Diane Wade B.T.S. RR 1 Box 141A Belington, WV 26250 Phone: 304-823-3729 FAX: 304-823-2901 http://www.btsrr.com We wish you Fair Winds and Following Seas.
{S-Scale List} FW: Our Layout on the Web!
For those that might be interested the forwarded link features an 8 minute video of our layout. It was shot by a visitor during the recent NMRA MidWest Regional meeting here in Springfield. Bob Jackson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeKPSVgxJycfeature=plcpcontext=C4399284VDvjVQa1PpcFPjnqiOXtmDenK7t3PvIeL1fvaZ2lg2HME%3D
Re: {S-Scale List} GP-7 Update and Progress Photos
Yes, it's Pennsy and a very specific Pennsy Geep as well. The PRR only had
3 GP-7s with roof mounted air tanks. In the early years, the Pennsy
ordered locomotives for a specific purpose. Two of three (8551 and 8552)
three were assigned to Williamsport-Buffalo passenger service. Mine
will represent No. 8551.
Bob Frascella
Wenham, MA
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Alan Lambert alanlamber...@yahoo.comwrote:
**
From: Alan Lambert
Gale,
From What I looked atWhat railroad had the Antenialike that one. I did not
see any pictures of any that had that. Only pennsy guys would pt that up
there. I don't think SP had that as I have never seen it down here in
Texas.Heping Bob out hereas I am in Fort Worth and he is in Houston.
Thanks,
Alan
*From:* Gale Hall frisc...@swbell.net
*To:* S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:03 AM
*Subject:* Re: {S-Scale List} GP-7 Update and Progress Photos
Bob W...
I think you are judging a book by its cover, I think that GP-7 is SP not
PRR
Bob F
Great work looks fantastic..
gale hall
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*From:* Bob Werre b...@phototraxx.com
*To:* S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2012 9:25 AM
*Subject:* Re: {S-Scale List} GP-7 Update and Progress Photos
Very cool, Bob! It sure is nice to be able to photograph progress like
this as it happens. In the couple of times I've judged contests these
progress shots do show all the work you've done. This is important when
the judges aren't all that familiar with what S guys go through to get
their models looking right.
I also assume that you Pennsy guys have one additional handicap when it
comes to handling GP type locomotives. One additional handrail/antenna to
straighten.
Bob Werre
PhotoTraxx
On 3/22/12 8:37 AM, drgw223 wrote:
If you've been following my posts on the conversion of the AM GP-9 to a
GP-7, I'm happy report that the locomotive coversion is complete and ready
to be moved to the paint shop. I've uploaded a couple of progress photos
showing the pre-painted version, which you can view here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/photos/album/2131888790/pic/1430517891/view?picmode=mode=tnorder=ordinalstart=1count=20dir=asc
or, in the Bob Frascella's GP-7 file on the group website.
It's hard to tell from the photos but all the walking surfaces include the
installation of the Archer treadplate which adds a nice texture to the
otherwise smooth surface. A couple of other items of interest include the
modified AM fuel/water tank. When I compared it to the plans in Mainline
Modeler, I discovered that the fuel tank was not tall enough and rode too
high above the rails. I also added the Pennsy cab signal box behind the
fuel tank, thus the reason for the roof-mounted air tanks. The correct GP-7
early handrail stanchions were used. These are very delicate castings and
bend very easily but the well worth the effort.
I'll post more photos after painting and decaling.
Bob Frascella
Wenham, MA
Re: {S-Scale List} GP-7 Update and Progress Photos
Alan,
Here's a photo of PRR 8552, the sister engine to the one modeled:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=997969
The top features are air reservoirs. Most Geeps have their air tanks
located behind the fuel tank, but in some cases particularly on passenger
Geeps, the space behind the fuel tanks is occupied by the need for an
enlarged tank to accommodate additional capacity for steam boiler water.
In this particular case, the space behind the tank was used for the
rectangular box that houses cab signal equipment.
I model the Pennsy's Elmira Branch in the late '50s. This particular GP-7
spent a lot time roaming the branch duing that time period. In the '60s it
was sent to Chicago and assigned to commuter service.
Bob Frascella
Wenham, MA
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Alan Lambert alanlamber...@yahoo.comwrote:
**
From: Alan Lambert
Bob,
what railroad do you model after. I have not seen any GP-7's with the top
features that you have. What is it.
Thanks,
Alan
*From:* drgw223 frasc...@gmail.com
*To:* S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:37 AM
*Subject:* {S-Scale List} GP-7 Update and Progress Photos
If you've been following my posts on the conversion of the AM GP-9 to a
GP-7, I'm happy report that the locomotive coversion is complete and ready
to be moved to the paint shop. I've uploaded a couple of progress photos
showing the pre-painted version, which you can view here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/photos/album/2131888790/pic/1430517891/view?picmode=mode=tnorder=ordinalstart=1count=20dir=asc
or, in the Bob Frascella's GP-7 file on the group website.
It's hard to tell from the photos but all the walking surfaces include the
installation of the Archer treadplate which adds a nice texture to the
otherwise smooth surface. A couple of other items of interest include the
modified AM fuel/water tank. When I compared it to the plans in Mainline
Modeler, I discovered that the fuel tank was not tall enough and rode too
high above the rails. I also added the Pennsy cab signal box behind the
fuel tank, thus the reason for the roof-mounted air tanks. The correct GP-7
early handrail stanchions were used. These are very delicate castings and
bend very easily but the well worth the effort.
I'll post more photos after painting and decaling.
Bob Frascella
Wenham, MA
Re: {S-Scale List} Flange greasers was growing pains
Some railroads have gone to on-board greasers on their locomotives. Less expensive and less waste. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Mar 17, 2012 6:51 AM, Lynn Ray lynnshouse2...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Here in East Texas there were a few locations on the Cotton Belt that had flange greasers, primarily between 4 degree curves. Since the UP takeover they have been removed. I wonder about the ones at Tehachapi. I was last there in 1989. Lynn Ray
{S-Scale List} Growing Pains??
It seems odd to me as I read about others experience with humidity as it affects their railroad, that few seem to attempt to control the humidity in the home or railroad room. Here in the middle of the country we experience wide shifts in the humidity along with the seasonal changes. We run humidifiers during the dry winters and de-humidifiers during the moist summers. In the basement room where the railroad is we maintain the humidity around 42-47 percent, year round. Yes, it takes some effort to keep the bottles full in the winter or empty the tubs during the summer; and yes, it costs something extra in our electricity bill. But, in all these years (more than 20!) we have never had to repair track damage resulting from humidity shifts. Bob Jackson
Re: {S-Scale List} Re: growing pains
Darrell, CWR is used extensively on mainline curves throughout the US including the UP's Moffat Line with its 10-degree curves without expansion joints. The spikes have nothing to do with holding down the track. The purpose of the spike is to hold gauge. CWR is secured to the ties longitudinally with rail anchors (the c shaped devices positioned on either side of the tie) This prevents the rail from slipping and secures it to the tie which is firmly planted in the ballast. The practice is called box anchoring meaning that 4 rail anchors are used per tie (2 per rail) and placed tyically every other tie. Today most railroads are using resilient fasteners with wood and concrete ties to replace spikes and rail anchors mainly for economic purposes. the rail expansion device that you referenced is used typically on bridge approaches for long span structures because bridges expand at a different rate than normal ballasted CWR track. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 7:45 PM, Darrell darrell.ev.sm...@gmail.com wrote: ** CWR can be stretched along straight track, which in many areas of the country is endless miles. Curves, however, do not work well with rail under tension. The spikes pull out. That is why the rail expansion joint I showed in the previous post is used on curves. It eliminates the tension. The South Shore Line in northern Indiana has had welded rail for a few decades now, and you can drive parallel to most of it. As you do, you will see every few miles one of the rail expansion joints. If you know what you're looking at. The thing is that although the line SEEMS to be straight, it is not. Rail under tension would be a big problem on the curves. And that's basically why we can't use tensioned rail on our model layouts. We don't have enough straight track. You could easily do it if you have a scale 10 mile run of straight track. Let's see, um, 52800 feet divided by 64 = , um, ticka ticka 825 foot basement. OK, maybe you could even do it with a 200' straight run... Darrell --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Robert Frascella frascerj@... wrote: Ed, In the real world Continuous Weld Rail is laid at a temperature where the maximum expansion is expected to occur. This is precalulated for the region or area of the country where the track is located. If the proper temerature of the rail cannot be achieved, then the rail is heated until it expands to that temperature then welded together. Because steel has tremendous tensile strength, when it cools there isn't an alignment problem if the rail is properly secured. The contraction during cooling is more or less absorbed by the rail. (Problems sometimes occur when there is a defect in the steel and the cooling can cause a rail to break, but that's not typical) Heat expansion is the bigger problem. I guess we could use this principal in model railroading, but then we'd melt all those plastic ties:) Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:25 AM, Ed Loizeaux@... wrote: ** Not much of the track is soldered together This first kink was with SHS flex track. I wonder if the size of the rail has any effect on the expansion. The material the rail is made from will determine the amount of expansion. Different materials will expand at differing rates. I tried to not go end to end tight on the rails. I guess the rails will show be where I could have left more space! Bill Lane You might want to visually inspect those former gaps on a warm/hot day. If the ends of the rails now touch, that would be a good place to cut a new larger gap before the pressure builds up and leads to a kink. Question: In the real world, how do RRs prevent heat kinks when welded rail is used for l-o-n-g stretches of track? With welded rail, there are no slipping expansion joints -- or are there? Cheers...Ed L. www.sscale.org
Re: {S-Scale List} Re: growing pains
Ed, In the real world Continuous Weld Rail is laid at a temperature where the maximum expansion is expected to occur. This is precalulated for the region or area of the country where the track is located. If the proper temerature of the rail cannot be achieved, then the rail is heated until it expands to that temperature then welded together. Because steel has tremendous tensile strength, when it cools there isn't an alignment problem if the rail is properly secured. The contraction during cooling is more or less absorbed by the rail. (Problems sometimes occur when there is a defect in the steel and the cooling can cause a rail to break, but that's not typical) Heat expansion is the bigger problem. I guess we could use this principal in model railroading, but then we'd melt all those plastic ties:) Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:25 AM, Ed loize...@sbcglobal.net wrote: ** Not much of the track is soldered together This first kink was with SHS flex track. I wonder if the size of the rail has any effect on the expansion. The material the rail is made from will determine the amount of expansion. Different materials will expand at differing rates. I tried to not go end to end tight on the rails. I guess the rails will show be where I could have left more space! Bill Lane You might want to visually inspect those former gaps on a warm/hot day. If the ends of the rails now touch, that would be a good place to cut a new larger gap before the pressure builds up and leads to a kink. Question: In the real world, how do RRs prevent heat kinks when welded rail is used for l-o-n-g stretches of track? With welded rail, there are no slipping expansion joints -- or are there? Cheers...Ed L. www.sscale.org
Re: {S-Scale List}old structures/new structures--- Re: Brick Paper
Bob, I remember seeing that asphalt brick covering on some older homes (read
shacks) out here in Oregon shortly after the war. I would guess it was in
about 2x3 foot sheets and put on much like three tab shingles are now. Haven't
seen it in a long time.
Bob Boring
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From: Bob Werre
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List}old structures/new structures
There is a wonderful book out that contains mostly smaller Canadian grain
elevators. It's a fairly recent book so many were painted bright colors. It's
a celebration of the passing of that era when elevators dotted the tracks at
every water stop and sometimes between. I don't have it here and don't recall
it's name--maybe tomorrow.
I have viewed the video that Pieter had posted on this list a few times.
That elevator is right along with what the Dakotas' had. What was somewhat
foreign to me, was the elevator that Building and Structure Company put out in
laser cut styrene some years ago. It had outside horizontal bracing that I had
never seen before. However on the way to the Denver convention I stopped and
photographed a medium sized unit with such bracing. So 500 miles between the
Dakotas and Colorado with similar growing seasons and weather conditions
brought out different construction techniques.
Before I wrap this up, I'll mention another thing that was common, and
probably just down the road from the Zeiska residence. If one were to view a
model of a Soo Line station the judges might give it a bad review because of
sloppy application of brickwork. Actually it wasn't brick at all. Many older
homes and railroad stations that were hard to heat were covered with an asphalt
wrapper embossed with a brick pattern. So if one were to take some brick paper
and wrap your station without taking into consideration how it lined up or if
the wrapper actually went around the corner you would be following what really
was done. I have photos of a couple of Soo Line combination stations with
living quarters above with such treatment. Unfortunately, I'm not certain how
this stuff was applied and what sizes the stuff was sold in.
Bob Werre
PhotoTraxx
On 3/12/12 1:13 PM, Daniel McConnachie wrote:
This is true in Canada as well, but as someone else pointed out there were
significant differences between Eastern and Western grain elevators and barns.
Size and roof construction being the biggest difference. So there are some
regional influences. One other note, most house construction in Canada is
usually brick with some stone in parts of Ontario. Here as well there are
exceptions. Wood is the preferred material in Canada's Maritimes.
Daniel McConnachie
Retired Head of Music
Stouffville District Secondary School
Re: {S-Scale List} Back to Some Model Building
Michael, It's (or will be) PRR 8551. The Pennsy had 66 GP-7's but only three looked like this one with it's roof mounted air tanks. The pilot steps are from BTS. I also replaced the steps at each of the four corners of the body because the AM steps are grossly undersized. I used styrene strips that I perforated to resembel safety tread. You can find really good S-scale plans for the GP-7 in the October 1982 issue of Mainline Modeler (long out of print, but pops up from time to time on Ebay). the DPH hoods are fantastic and not that difficult to add to the GP-9 shell. Some day I'd like to do an article on this conversion. Bob Frascella wenham, MA On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Michael Ostertag wsm...@new.rr.com wrote: ** ** Looks preaty sweet! What prototype is that. Also where did you find the new steps. Thanks Michael Ostertag -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. drgw223 frasc...@gmail.com wrote:
Re: {S-Scale List} AM GP-7/9 (was Back to Some Model Building
Jace, Yes, the torpedo tube tanks are BTS along with the high early MU stands, the PRR antenna stanchions, the steam generator details, fuel fill, exhaust stacks, horn, and handbrake. The handrail stanchions are DPH. Other parts not yet added include the drop walkways that are centered above the coupler, speed recorder, MU cables, air hoses, windshield wipers (all available from BTS), and of course a crew. The DLW units had dynamics which you could salvage from the AM hood. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 12:39 PM, JGG KahnSr jacek...@hotmail.com wrote: ** And I was thinking DLW, which my references suggest had only the GP-7's. I have been planning on one myself, starting with an undec that was my first S scale Geep, to which Ken Zieska contributed a DPM long hood replacement. Are the torpedo tubes also BTS? Jace Kahn General Manager Ceres Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co. It's (or will be) PRR 8551. The Pennsy had 66 GP-7's but only three looked like this one with it's roof mounted air tanks. The pilot steps are from BTS. I also replaced the steps at each of the four corners of the body because the AM steps are grossly undersized. I used styrene strips that I perforated to resembel safety tread. You can find really good S-scale plans for the GP-7 in the October 1982 issue of Mainline Modeler (long out of print, but pops up from time to time on Ebay). the DPH hoods are fantastic and not that difficult to add to the GP-9 shell. Some day I'd like to do an article on this conversion. Bob Frascella ** ** Looks preaty sweet! What prototype is that. Also where did you find the new steps. Thanks Michael Ostertag
Re: {S-Scale List} MTH in S
A third PA-1? That assumes that we've already had two. Of the two PA's out there neither are scale nor that great. The best of the two is the Flyer version, with the flat roof being the biggest problem. So to answer the question, yes we need a scale PA. I'd certainly welcome one. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 3:24 AM, G. Elems gel...@sbcglobal.net wrote: ** I talked to Mike Wolfe about S several years ago. He was interested in the high rail side at the time and didn’t really want to talk about scale. Since then he has added 2 rail O scale back to his line of trains and added HO scale. Also consider Mike has dipped his toe in the European market in O so dipping his toe in the S water wouldn’t be that surprising. While he would add another name to S I wouldn’t be too excited about it. Look at what he’s done in O and HO. He has duplicated existing models in HO already offered except maybe the Milwaukee Little Joe. He will also introduce his DCS control into the mix. Although his 2 rail scale offerings now do operate on DCC which would logically move into the S scale realm. ** ** Speculation on my part, but his S offerings would be the same as his HO, which includes SD70ACe’s. Do we need a third PA1, second FA2? Is S ready for MTH’s version of Espee’s GS4 Daylight engine? MTH does have some freight cars that he produced in HO that would definitely be different than anything offered in S. ** ** If Mike Wolfe offers S, the scale will gain a big boost in exposure which can’t do anything but help. ** ** Greg Elems
Re: {S-Scale List} Re: WGH Show in Portland
Hi Lee,
We miss having you around. This layout that we are showing is what developed
from the meeting that we had at your place in about 1995 or 96. Unfortunately
there are only 3 of us still around that were at that meeting. Norm Strain has
passed away several years ago and only Gil, Orville and I are left of the
original group.
Bob Boring
- Original Message -
From: leerai...@aol.com
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 4:15 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: WGH Show in Portland
Wish I could have been there. SOunds like S is alive and well in Oregon.
Lee Rainey
(Ex-Tigard S scaler)
Re: {S-Scale List} WGH Show in Portland
Mark, Contact me at my e-mail address so we can take this off line.
Bob Boring
bor...@comcast.net
- Original Message -
From: Mark Mugnai
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} WGH Show in Portland
Bob
I was planning on contacting you; I'd like to know more about your group
(club), with the idea of perhaps joining. If you'd be willing to PM me with
some details, that would be very cool.
No snow here, but it did hail like crazy for a bit
Thanks.
Mark
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Robert Boring borore@... wrote:
Hi Mark,
I live about 25 miles SE of Portland where we woke up to a little snow on
the ground this morning. We get to Lincoln City several times a year. Maybe we
can get together for coffee sometime.
Bob Boring
- Original Message -
From: Mark Mugnai
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} WGH Show in Portland
Hey Bob
I'm on the beautiful ( and today very wet!) Central Coast, about 15 miles
south of Newport.
Mark in Oregon
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Robert Boring borore@ wrote:
Hi Mark,
Sorry you had to miss the show. Always glad to see another S scaler. By
the way, in what part of Oregon do you live?
Bob Boring
- Original Message -
From: Mark Mugnai
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} WGH Show in Portland
So sorry I couldn't make it. Was planning on going, but our kitchen
remodel was bumped up a few weeks, so I spent the weekend working on that.
Glad to hear it was a success.
Mark in Oregon
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, scale S only scalesonly@ wrote:
Hi all â?
I would like to add my thanks and applause for this effort. None of you
get the recognition you really deserve for taking your personal time to do this.
Thanks again!
Bill Winans
NASG western VP
Thanks Al,Bob and crews.
Setting up displays and modules for these shows is a real chore that
hopefully will receive benefits later on. Glad you could help with the effort.
Bob Werre
PhotoTraxx
---
This last weekend I spent manning the NASG booth at the World's
Greatest Hobby Show in Portland, Oregon. About 20K attendees, and lots of
interest in 'S' (Hi-Rail Scale). I had a display of about 25 locomotives,
including several Scale. I had quite a few people expressing interest in S
Scale, especially those with the smaller scales and older eyes.
My thanks to Bob Boring and crew for brining the NW S Scalers layout.
It looked and worked great. I really appreciate your support.
I should also mention and thank Alan Bennett for bringing his Hi-rail
layout despite some family health issues. Thanks Alan.
It was great having two layouts there demonstrating significant 'S'
presence.
Al Baker
Re: {S-Scale List} Couple of Thoughts re: Recent Discussions
Well it's a matter of opinion. AM PA nose is way out of scale. The top of the nose slopes upward too much. The front of the nose is too flat. The window angles are not right. The side of the nose doesn't taper correctly. And, it also has a wide coupler opening. The Flyer nose is very close to the prototype. The older Flyer bodies had the coupler cover on the pilot which is easy to remove and add a front coupler to. I agree that it's a pain to modify the flyer roof. That's why I grafted the flyer nose to the AM body. Like I said, it's a matter of opinion. Bob Frascella Wenham. MA On Mar 1, 2012 6:01 PM, richgajnak rustytra...@sbcglobal.net wrote: ** A third PA-1? That assumes that we've already had two. Of the two PA's out there neither are scale nor that great. The best of the two is the Flyer version, with the flat roof being the biggest problem. So to answer the question, yes we need a scale PA. Sorry, I'll prefer the AM model over the Flyer version any day. Outside of chiseling, planing and reshaping the roof on the Flyer model, there's no rivet detail on the batten strips and that humungous open pilot that needs to be dealt with, to say nothing of finding a drive mechanism. I'd like to see AM do another run their PA's, particularly in Santa Fe. It may be a somewhat false hope that making realistic gains in the number of S-scalers will have a significant impact on the pricing of products. I agree. The prices for HO (or N for that matter) haven't been going down over the years. That Athearn F7AB I used to get for about $18.00 is now $89.00. There might be more demand for scale conversion units for the Gilbert and Flyonel PAs. I like to think that S Scale has moved WELL beyond the need for scale conversion drives for 1950's-designed toy train diesel shells. And finally MTH and S. It would be nice if MTH started making S, but... I've been hearing about MTH considering S for almost as long as MTH has been making O gauge. We're putting several carts before an absent horse in speculating. While MTH has a deep arsenal(much more than just PA's and FA's) of product in HO and O, until there's an official announcement of some kind, it's all just speculation. Frankly, I'll believe MTH is getting into S two weeks after a catalog hits the streets. Rich G(ajnak)
Re: {S-Scale List} WGH Show in Portland
Hi Mark,
I live about 25 miles SE of Portland where we woke up to a little snow on the
ground this morning. We get to Lincoln City several times a year. Maybe we
can get together for coffee sometime.
Bob Boring
- Original Message -
From: Mark Mugnai
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} WGH Show in Portland
Hey Bob
I'm on the beautiful ( and today very wet!) Central Coast, about 15 miles
south of Newport.
Mark in Oregon
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Robert Boring borore@... wrote:
Hi Mark,
Sorry you had to miss the show. Always glad to see another S scaler. By the
way, in what part of Oregon do you live?
Bob Boring
- Original Message -
From: Mark Mugnai
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} WGH Show in Portland
So sorry I couldn't make it. Was planning on going, but our kitchen remodel
was bumped up a few weeks, so I spent the weekend working on that.
Glad to hear it was a success.
Mark in Oregon
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, scale S only scalesonly@ wrote:
Hi all â?
I would like to add my thanks and applause for this effort. None of you
get the recognition you really deserve for taking your personal time to do this.
Thanks again!
Bill Winans
NASG western VP
Thanks Al,Bob and crews.
Setting up displays and modules for these shows is a real chore that
hopefully will receive benefits later on. Glad you could help with the effort.
Bob Werre
PhotoTraxx
---
This last weekend I spent manning the NASG booth at the World's Greatest
Hobby Show in Portland, Oregon. About 20K attendees, and lots of interest in
'S' (Hi-Rail Scale). I had a display of about 25 locomotives, including
several Scale. I had quite a few people expressing interest in S Scale,
especially those with the smaller scales and older eyes.
My thanks to Bob Boring and crew for brining the NW S Scalers layout. It
looked and worked great. I really appreciate your support.
I should also mention and thank Alan Bennett for bringing his Hi-rail
layout despite some family health issues. Thanks Alan.
It was great having two layouts there demonstrating significant 'S'
presence.
Al Baker
Re: {S-Scale List} WGH Show in Portland
Bob,
From what I have heard they only do five shows a year and it will be at least
five years before they return to a venue. It was five years ago when they
were in Portland. It is a good show, just not enough S scale. I think there
were only two dealers with very limited S scale on the table. One was Aztec
with their track cleaning cars. I didn't get away from the layout very often
but I don't think I missed much.
Bob Boring
- Original Message -
From: Bob Werre
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} WGH Show in Portland
Thanks Al,Bob and crews.
Setting up displays and modules for these shows is a real chore that
hopefully will receive benefits later on. Glad you could help with the effort.
Houston was one of the first stops for the WGH back when it was started.
Through the efforts of John Foley we were able to setup for that show. From
our standpoint, it was generally agreed that the show was well attended and
generated plenty of support and interest from the modeling community. However
for some reason they have bypassed us ever since! A few years ago I attended
the same show in Ft. Worth where I thought the attendance was rather on the
poor side.
At one time Houston had several better than average train shops, so the need
for these type shows was somewhat diluted. However at this point in time we
really don't have any full line stores left. One would then think the market
would be opening up for a well run national show. I would be interested in
their reasons for the choices of locations.
Bob Werre
PhotoTraxx
On 2/27/12 6:49 PM, Al Baker wrote:
This last weekend I spent manning the NASG booth at the World's Greatest
Hobby Show in Portland, Oregon. About 20K attendees, and lots of interest in
'S' (Hi-Rail Scale). I had a display of about 25 locomotives, including
several Scale. I had quite a few people expressing interest in S Scale,
especially those with the smaller scales and older eyes.
My thanks to Bob Boring and crew for brining the NW S Scalers layout. It
looked and worked great. I really appreciate your support.
I should also mention and thank Alan Bennett for bringing his Hi-rail
layout despite some family health issues. Thanks Alan.
It was great having two layouts there demonstrating significant 'S'
presence.
Al Baker
Re: {S-Scale List} WGH Show in Portland
Hi Mark,
Sorry you had to miss the show. Always glad to see another S scaler. By the
way, in what part of Oregon do you live?
Bob Boring
- Original Message -
From: Mark Mugnai
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} WGH Show in Portland
So sorry I couldn't make it. Was planning on going, but our kitchen remodel
was bumped up a few weeks, so I spent the weekend working on that.
Glad to hear it was a success.
Mark in Oregon
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, scale S only scalesonly@... wrote:
Hi all â?
I would like to add my thanks and applause for this effort. None of you get
the recognition you really deserve for taking your personal time to do this.
Thanks again!
Bill Winans
NASG western VP
Thanks Al,Bob and crews.
Setting up displays and modules for these shows is a real chore that
hopefully will receive benefits later on. Glad you could help with the effort.
Bob Werre
PhotoTraxx
---
This last weekend I spent manning the NASG booth at the World's Greatest
Hobby Show in Portland, Oregon. About 20K attendees, and lots of interest in
'S' (Hi-Rail Scale). I had a display of about 25 locomotives, including
several Scale. I had quite a few people expressing interest in S Scale,
especially those with the smaller scales and older eyes.
My thanks to Bob Boring and crew for brining the NW S Scalers layout. It
looked and worked great. I really appreciate your support.
I should also mention and thank Alan Bennett for bringing his Hi-rail
layout despite some family health issues. Thanks Alan.
It was great having two layouts there demonstrating significant 'S'
presence.
Al Baker
Re: {S-Scale List} my big fat project
Bill, Nice job! Truly an inspiration. Now if I can only get my train room finished half as nicely. I also like the reference, since it is Fat Tuesday. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Bill Lane b...@lanestrains.com wrote: ** All, ** ** I have alluded to reporting on a massive project for the past week+. I am very happily and finally coming up for air after a solid 2 months + of work. Here is what I have been doing. http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Workshop.htm ** ** What does this have to do with S Scale? Fear not there fair S List Citizen… With the work bench moved and some further basement rearranging this will allow for some eventual layout expansion I did not think was ever going to happen. NOTHING train related happened since starting this project. My trains have **not** been run this year. ** ** I did pretty much everything you see. Slobbering Pennsy Freaks truly are good for doing other things! (:-) ** ** Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL ** **
Re: {S-Scale List} S Scale Blog Update
Thanks Bob. The principal commodity hauled on the Elmira Branch was coal headed for the docks at Sodus Point on Lake Ontario. So long coal trains will be the norm on the layout. Though my version of Southport looks huge, the longest yard track will only hold about 25 cars. The portion modelled will from Williamsport to Elmira where the grades were the steepest. All loaded coal Trains will require helpers. In future post I'll include a map and a track plan. Thanks for looking. Bob On Feb 17, 2012 11:16 AM, Bob Werre b...@phototraxx.com wrote: ** ** Bob, Your Southport yard is very impressive. Was that branch a coal hauling area? I love to see long strings of hoppers. Bob Werre PhotoTraxx Hi Bob -- Do you have a track plan for your Elmira branch? That would be nice to see on your blog... Thanks for showing! Bill Winans --- All, After a long hiatus, I've recently update my blog on building the the Pennsy's Elmira Branch in S Scale. I hope to keep up the blog on a more regular basis, so if you have any interest, bookmark the site and check back often. http://bobssscaleprrelimrabranch.blogspot.com/ Thanks for looking. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA
Re: {S-Scale List} S Scale Blog Update
Jim, You're absolutely right. The Elmira Branch hosted steam long after the fires were extinguished elsewhere on the PRR. It was a very interesting piece of railroad and was one of steam's last stands for the Standard Railroad of the world. Interestingly enough, north of Elmira NYC pool power was common place. Elmira to DeWitt Yard (Syracuse) trains frequently featured A-B-A sets of lightening stripe FA's. So much to Ed L's consternation, meets actually occurred between PRR I-1's and NYC Alco's! Bob On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 1:56 PM, raisinone raisin...@wi.rr.com wrote: ** Great prototype information on the PRR Elmira Branch was in the Fall 2011 issue of Classic Trains magazine (note - NOT Classic Toy Trains magazine!!). The article included a map of the branch and photos of primary power in the 50's – mainly M1 and I1 PRR steam with former passenger Alco PA's assigned in helper(!) service. A letter to the editor in the Winter 2011 issue had photographic evidence of L1 2-8-2's also inhabiting the branch. When I read the article I thought it would make a great basis for a model railroad. Looking forward to hearing and seeing more of your progress Bob. Now if I could just find an analogous branch line to model for the NYC!! Jim Kindraka --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Robert Frascella frascerj@... wrote: Thanks Bob. The principal commodity hauled on the Elmira Branch was coal headed for the docks at Sodus Point on Lake Ontario. So long coal trains will be the norm on the layout. Though my version of Southport looks huge, the longest yard track will only hold about 25 cars. The portion modelled will from Williamsport to Elmira where the grades were the steepest. All loaded coal Trains will require helpers. In future post I'll include a map and a track plan. Thanks for looking. Bob On Feb 17, 2012 11:16 AM, Bob Werre bob@... wrote:
Re: {S-Scale List} Turntables +Corkscrew Gulch
OK, so I've been reading with interest all of the posts about turntables
over the past few days and find them really interesting. I read everything
from simple hand operated units to complex and expensive drives. Well
here's a simple indexing device that I used on a former layout at aligns
the tracks everytime. It's simple and costs less than $2.00 build.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/photos/album/846982532/pic/205743797/view?picmode=mode=tnorder=ordinalstart=1count=20dir=asc
(if this doesn't open just go to new photos on the S Yahoo site)
The arm is from a Caboose Hobbies ground throw and the rest is build from
styrene strips and brass scraps. BTW it's a dual guage turntable with Sn3
in the midle and S standard on the outside. Works everytime!
Bob Frascella
Wenham, MA
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Bob Werre b...@phototraxx.com wrote:
**
**Dave, You just brought up an interesting discussion about the Corkscrew
Gulch turntable that a narrow minded friend and I had just last weekend.
On a family vacation about 20 years ago, I rented a Jeep and we took a
couple of those trails. If you've never tried those trails you're missing
a big chunk of whoop-ass fun! The Jeep I had wouldn't say running without
a foot on the gas pedal, so I did most of my rock crawling with my feet on
all three pedals with the occasional stalling on steep grades--pretty
exciting to say the least! I was told of things to look for in finding the
remains of that turntable. I'm not sure I ever did see it because the
forest does grow back and take over the area. At any rate, I did see the
area--I swear!
In modeling such an endeavor, you certainly would need a perfect line-up
of the rails to avoid derailing within the turntable itself. It's no fun
fishing out engines from beneath a low roofed building. I would also guess
that it's probably a reason that most of us avoid building the versions
with the girder bracing above the pit also. I have the New York Control
drive and it's a wonderful product, but does take some work to install
properly. Mine does need some additional work as the locking mechanism
doesn't always work the way it should. So when an engine enters onto the
bridge it will sometimes force itself slightly to the side derailing the
remaining wheels. So the only solution is to reach over and 0-5-0 the
engine. That is fine for a typical single diesel engine, but a large
fellow like an 4-8-4 isn't fun.
Rusty Paulus, one of our senior members had used the Bowser turntable on
his past layout (past MR in the mid 80's and an ad for SHS's exclusive
RS-3's in the Gaugian). He never had his motorized, but to line things up
he used a piece of plastic as a 'bridge plate' and seemed to work
perfectly. So sometimes a no cost solution can match a $500+ product!
Bob Werre
PhotoTraxx
On 2/16/12 9:28 PM, David Heine wrote:
And then there were the covered ones, which was another option to keep the
snow out. My favorite example being the one the Silverton Northern had on
its mainline at Corkscrew Gulch, if a switchback, or for that matter
anything on the Silverton Northern could be called a mainline. There was
actually a paper published on it in the American Society of Civil Engineers
Transactions in 1890.
Dave Heine
Easton, PA
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Of
scale S only
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 3:07 PM
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Turntable Recommendation [1 Attachment]
Hi Bob --
You have made a good point. Many turntables had their support structure
above the rails - girder, truss and gallows. I have attached a photo of a
turntable in Tacoma, WA that I hope comes through...
Have fun!
Bill Winans
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Re: {S-Scale List} FNF - New Foamcore Structure
Roy,
Great Job. One question. How do you treat the building corners so the core
doesn't show?
Thanks
Bob Boring
- Original Message -
From: Roy
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 7:53 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} FNF - New Foamcore Structure
I put an article on my blog at:
http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/6857
Roy Hoffman
Re: {S-Scale List} FNF - New Foamcore Structure
Thanks Roy. I was wondering if you had mitered the corners but I think that
would be a problem if you didn't have a mat cutter or some such devise.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Roy
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} FNF - New Foamcore Structure
Bob,
Good question. You hit on something I forgot to mention. I took care of the
white foam center by mixing some brown acrylic paint with white until I got a
good match with the sandstone and painted all the core edges with it.
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Robert Boring borore@... wrote:
Roy,
Great Job. One question. How do you treat the building corners so the core
doesn't show?
Thanks
Bob Boring
- Original Message -
From: Roy
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 7:53 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} FNF - New Foamcore Structure
I put an article on my blog at:
http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/6857
Roy Hoffman
Re: {S-Scale List} Amherst was Re: U33 Scale Wheels and Other Lies
I'll be there on Saturday. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Pieter Roos pieter_r...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Speaking of the Amherst show (January 28th and 29th), I wonder how many people on this list are going? Maybe we could all pick a time to meet up near the S manufacturers/Bristol layout to all say Hi and talk a bit of S scale? Pieter E. Roos
{S-Scale List} Ed's DT400R
Ed, I think tetherless DT400R operation requires that you have a UR91 receiver somewhere in LocoNet. It could be the source of your problems. If you have only one radio throttle then you should tap a friend to borrow a functional one to determine where your problem lays. Bob Jackson
{S-Scale List} Newt
Careful, Ed. That is not the only thing that Newt Gingrich has been called. Bob J [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} #808 vs. SHS couplers
I like the 802's but really don't like the slack action especially with a long train. I started eliminating the centering spring and instead filling the space where the spring goes with a small snubber cut from a piece of soft white rubber eraser. It keeps the coupler centered and provides some shock absorption but eliminates the slack. Give it a try. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Dec 19, 2011 3:49 PM, Bill Lane b...@lanestrains.com wrote: ** John All, Ironically it my extreme dislike of the #5 that was a big part of my decision to switch to S Scale. Back then I was all into delay coupling that I am not now so it really does not matter much. The 802 just WORKS. Using tweezers I install the centering spring in the 802 pretty easily. I once did a demonstration for my S club years ago assembling the 802 with no tools at all. I had a rather well trained right thumb that snapped the springs right in! I do like the SHS coupler as well because there is no slack action. For the old schoolers I had a bag of the long hose converted #5 taken off of cars around here somewhere. I am not sure if I still have them or threw them out. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com/ http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com/ http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com/ http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} #808 vs. SHS couplers
Alex,
First, you need a very pliable erase such as this:
http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/930065/Prismacolor-Magic-Rub-Eraser-White/
One eraser should do about 50 cars.
The best way to describe the process is to view the photos that I just
posted to the group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/photos/album/1141978419/pic/list
The corner snubbers help center the coupler and there's enough give in the
rubber to allow the coupler to pivot but stay centered. It's a pretty
cheap solution and takes very little time.
Give it a try.
Bob Frascella
Wenham, MA
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Alex Binkley alex.bink...@sympatico.cawrote:
**
Interesting idea, Bob. Could you explain how you cut it. Would it be the
same size as the spring or enough to fill the coupler box?
cheers
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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 06:49:03 -0500
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} #808 vs. SHS couplers
I like the 802's but really don't like the slack action especially with a
long train. I started eliminating the centering spring and instead
filling
the space where the spring goes with a small snubber cut from a piece
of
soft white rubber eraser. It keeps the coupler centered and provides some
shock absorption but eliminates the slack. Give it a try.
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Re: {S-Scale List} #808 vs. SHS couplers
Bob, I can't really answer your question. Personally, I don't use use magnets for uncoupling. I prefer using a skewer and doing it maually. I actually cut off the magnetic airhose. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Bob Werre b...@phototraxx.com wrote: ** Bob, what has been your experience with uncoupling--especially the magnetic uncoupler ramps? I find right now that many of my 800 series couplers seem indifferent to the ramp's ability to actually work without a nudge. Bob Werre On 12/20/11 5:49 AM, Robert Frascella wrote: I like the 802's but really don't like the slack action especially with a long train. I started eliminating the centering spring and instead filling the space where the spring goes with a small snubber cut from a piece of soft white rubber eraser. It keeps the coupler centered and provides some shock absorption but eliminates the slack. Give it a try. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Dec 19, 2011 3:49 PM, Bill Laneb...@lanestrains.com wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Kiss My Brass
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{S-Scale List} Ketn Washington show
Just a note to let all that plan to attend that I will be there selling most of the Sn3 I have left. The Boeing Model RR Club show/swap meet is at Kent Commons at 525 Fourth Avenue on Saturday the 12th of November from 9:30 AM to 4 PM. There are a nubmer of building kits and parts suitable to both S and Sn3/Sn2. What ever is left will be offered in a list and I will post a note when that is available. Thanks, and see you there. Robert R Harmen Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} furtherance on the Lionel U33C
By the way, not only did the AF PA truck have a missing center axle, but the wheelbase was too short by about three scale feeet. Bob Frascella Wenham, MA On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Tom Hawley t.haw...@comcast.net wrote: ** - Original Message - From: Talmadge C 'TC' Carr Both models are correct. The PA was/is an A1A truck, only the outer axels are powered even on the prototype. The U33C is by definition a C-C locomotive with all axels powered. Permit me to rephrase myself. I was aware of that. The American Flyer ALCo PA PB locomotives had what at first glance appeared to be 3-axle (6-wheel) trucks, but the center axle/wheelset was totally missing. It was not a question of whether it was powered or not. (FWIW The American Models PA PB have all three axles present powered, technically incorrect but operationally beneficial.) I had been afraid the new Lionel U33C would use the old AF trick of just omitting the center axle, but they didn't. It's there. Tom Hawley -- Lasning Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} This Is Not The Place for Political Diatribes
I strongly agree with Tom Hawley. I speak as a Korean veteran (regular army, I was not drafted) and yield to no one in regard to one's sense of patriotism, but the constant iteration of a political position appended to notes in this group is out of place. Next, I speak as a degree holding chemist. The development of water-based paint was NOT compelled by government bureauocracy; neither is it inferior to oil-based paint. Each has its own basis for application. Bob Jackson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} SP Depot Kit
Hi Bill,
As you are looking at the front of the building I'm missing the right side of
the bay window. I have the short version.
I had no idea that you were on this list. What a surprise. I do hope you have
one laying around.
Thanks,
Bob
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Hi Bob,
What part are you missing and I will see if I still have some of that part?
Bill
In a message dated 10/9/2011 6:50:58 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
bor...@comcast.net writes:
Sometime around 1998 W.A. Drake producd a Common Standard #23 depot kit in
both long and short versions. I purchased one a long time ago and just
now got it out to build. I find that one part is missing.
Does anyone have one of these kits collecting dust that they would like to
see go to a good home?
They are a urethane kit so maybe I would be better off using the parts for
patterens and build one out of wood or styrene.
Any suggestions of help?
Thanks
Bob Boring
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