Re: [Samba] XP/W2K on Samba 3

2006-10-05 Thread Aaron Kincer
You can easily redirect the typical data store for user documents (i.e. 
My Documents) to any network share you want. That isn't difficult. 
Additionally, you can configure just about any mail client on the planet 
(Outlook included) to put the data store there. No big deal. There are 
several problems with that:


1) If the network is down, mail isn't available (or any documents in My 
Documents for that matter).
2) If this is a road warrior, mail isn't available while they are on the 
road.
3) This doesn't solve the "application settings" requisite that I 
thought I understood.


You can solve #1 and #2 by any number of synchronization options out 
there and direct the mail client to a local data store and sync the data 
to a network store. #3 is a whole different issue. I am not aware of any 
other reliable method of retaining settings from desktop to desktop 
(assuming a fat client) than roaming profiles. If you are using the 
standard store for some mail clients (Outlook for example) that creates 
the massive data push/pull I mentioned. You can work around that with 
some planning by putting all heavy stores such as email in places that 
aren't profile specific (i.e. not in C:\Documents and 
Settings\username\.).


Doing that creates even more headaches if you are concerned about 
security for user separation and would require quite a bit of work. Oh, 
and let's not forget the non-homogenous client issues.


Doug VanLeuven wrote:

Aaron Kincer wrote:

I am having trouble envisioning a network where people are constantly
signing onto different computers (outside of schools and libraries). If
users move around that much, perhaps a VNC/Citrix/Terminal Services 
approach

would be better.

Roaming profiles are a solution to a problem that existed before 
email boxes

measured in hundreds of megabytes or even gigabytes. They will work (for
Windows clients), but can bring your network to its knees. And as 
mentioned,

the mixing of client OS has an amusing effect sometimes.
Think certificates.  Certificates encrypt files, establish VPN's, sign 
& encrypt email, things like that.  There are long standing 
alternatives to local store for email.
The main and easiest way to keep one's certificates in windows is to 
use roaming profiles else manually export and import and manually 
renew.  Actually kind of cutting edge, not a throwback to earlier times.


Users don't typically move around, but what if the hard drive fails?  
Does one roll out windows with something like ghost and consider 
workstations disposable?  If yes, the certificates and any private 
user data are lost.  System admins move around.  Want to use the 
machine in the conference room for a presentation.  Frequently easier 
with roaming profiles.


Regards, Doug



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Re: [Samba] XP/W2K on Samba 3

2006-10-04 Thread B_Kloss
Hello, everybody in this thread and thank you for contributing!

 First of all I'll change the [profile]settings in my smb.conf and see what 
happens. 
I am not sure if that hits the problem. Do I really want roaming profiles?
The user should not be allowed to have personal settings on the client. No 
changes on the desktop. He is automatically connected to his samba-share for 
saving data.
How do I tell the W2k/XP *not* to create a users profile locally, no local 
user-directory, nothig to be copied to and from the server.

Greetings 
Bernd Kloss


Am Donnerstag, 5. Oktober 2006 06:24 schrieb Peter Ulrich Kruppa:
> On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, Paul-Erik Törrönen wrote:
> > I'm going to side on B_Kloss here, since I grew frustrated with the
> > local profiles a long time ago.
> >
> > On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 19:46 +0200, Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote:
> >>> This is working fine, but as soon as a user is logging into the
> >>
> >> domain on one of the WIN2000 or XP-clients for the first time on this
> >> client, the client is creating a local user-directory.
> >> Are you sure this is a problem?
> >> As long as you have enough diskspace, I don't see what should be
> >
> > Remember that all the settings are also per computer, which in turn
> > means that the user will in the end do a set up of his desktop n times
> > (n equals the computers available). Also the application settings need
> > to be manually copied/set each time. This becomes very frustrating in no
> > time for the normal user, and roaming profiles can fix that. And if the
> > user decides to change some setting, well...
>
> This is absolutely correct, but B_Kloss mentioned Win98 clients.
> I don't think they can use Win2k/WinXP roaming profiles.
> If B_Kloss' users tend to use just 2 or 3 favourite computers,
> this won't be too much setup for them and he will save a lot of
> network traffic, produced by down- and uploading the profiles.
>
> > However there are a few things which needs to be addressed, as pointed
> > earlier.
> >
> > 1. The mixing of W2k and WXP will create some fabulous fireshows,
> > non-lethal but nonetheless spectacular.
>
> Yes, but this will surely work.
>
> > 2. Due to the way how the profile is managed in Windows,
> > copy-all-on-login-from-server, copy-all-on-logout-to-server, the normal
> > user must be made aware of this. Don't save anything on the desktop,
> > instead use the X: (automatically mounted to \\yourserver\).
> > Minimize the browser cache. Configure applications to explicitly use a
> > local tmp-dir (usually setting the TMP and TEMP-variables on the
> > workstation suffices). And anything else that minimizes the size of the
> > profile directory.
>
> Just out of interest: Do you delete the roaming profiles
> after log off or do you leave them on the local machine?
>
> > 3. Occasionally the profile goes *bonk* on the workstation. Usually
> > removing the local copy is enough but nonetheless requires
> > administrative action.
> >
> > And probably some other things which my scarred memory supresses.
> >
> > As for setting up the shared profiles, the keywords in smb.conf are:
> >
> > [Global]
> >logon drive = X:
> >logon path = \\%L\profiles\%U
> >logon script = scripts\logon.bat
> >
> > [netlogon]
> >path = /path/to/netlogon
> >read only = no
> >nt acl support = Yes
> >
> > [profiles]
> >comment = Roaming Profile Share
> >path = /path/to/profiles
> >read only = no
> >profile acls = Yes
> >nt acl support = Yes
>
> Uli.
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Re: [Samba] XP/W2K on Samba 3

2006-10-04 Thread Peter Ulrich Kruppa

On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, Paul-Erik Törrönen wrote:


I'm going to side on B_Kloss here, since I grew frustrated with the
local profiles a long time ago.

On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 19:46 +0200, Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote:

This is working fine, but as soon as a user is logging into the

domain on one of the WIN2000 or XP-clients for the first time on this
client, the client is creating a local user-directory.
Are you sure this is a problem?
As long as you have enough diskspace, I don't see what should be


Remember that all the settings are also per computer, which in turn
means that the user will in the end do a set up of his desktop n times
(n equals the computers available). Also the application settings need
to be manually copied/set each time. This becomes very frustrating in no
time for the normal user, and roaming profiles can fix that. And if the
user decides to change some setting, well...
This is absolutely correct, but B_Kloss mentioned Win98 clients. 
I don't think they can use Win2k/WinXP roaming profiles.
If B_Kloss' users tend to use just 2 or 3 favourite computers, 
this won't be too much setup for them and he will save a lot of 
network traffic, produced by down- and uploading the profiles.




However there are a few things which needs to be addressed, as pointed
earlier.

1. The mixing of W2k and WXP will create some fabulous fireshows,
non-lethal but nonetheless spectacular.

Yes, but this will surely work.


2. Due to the way how the profile is managed in Windows,
copy-all-on-login-from-server, copy-all-on-logout-to-server, the normal
user must be made aware of this. Don't save anything on the desktop,
instead use the X: (automatically mounted to \\yourserver\).
Minimize the browser cache. Configure applications to explicitly use a
local tmp-dir (usually setting the TMP and TEMP-variables on the
workstation suffices). And anything else that minimizes the size of the
profile directory.
Just out of interest: Do you delete the roaming profiles 
after log off or do you leave them on the local machine?



3. Occasionally the profile goes *bonk* on the workstation. Usually
removing the local copy is enough but nonetheless requires
administrative action.

And probably some other things which my scarred memory supresses.

As for setting up the shared profiles, the keywords in smb.conf are:

[Global]
   logon drive = X:
   logon path = \\%L\profiles\%U
   logon script = scripts\logon.bat

[netlogon]
   path = /path/to/netlogon
   read only = no
   nt acl support = Yes

[profiles]
   comment = Roaming Profile Share
   path = /path/to/profiles
   read only = no
   profile acls = Yes
   nt acl support = Yes


Uli.

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Re: [Samba] XP/W2K on Samba 3

2006-10-04 Thread Doug VanLeuven

Aaron Kincer wrote:

I am having trouble envisioning a network where people are constantly
signing onto different computers (outside of schools and libraries). If
users move around that much, perhaps a VNC/Citrix/Terminal Services 
approach

would be better.

Roaming profiles are a solution to a problem that existed before email 
boxes

measured in hundreds of megabytes or even gigabytes. They will work (for
Windows clients), but can bring your network to its knees. And as 
mentioned,

the mixing of client OS has an amusing effect sometimes.
Think certificates.  Certificates encrypt files, establish VPN's, sign & 
encrypt email, things like that.  There are long standing alternatives 
to local store for email.
The main and easiest way to keep one's certificates in windows is to use 
roaming profiles else manually export and import and manually renew.  
Actually kind of cutting edge, not a throwback to earlier times.


Users don't typically move around, but what if the hard drive fails?  
Does one roll out windows with something like ghost and consider 
workstations disposable?  If yes, the certificates and any private user 
data are lost.  System admins move around.  Want to use the machine in 
the conference room for a presentation.  Frequently easier with roaming 
profiles.


Regards, Doug

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Re: [Samba] XP/W2K on Samba 3

2006-10-04 Thread Aaron Kincer

I am having trouble envisioning a network where people are constantly
signing onto different computers (outside of schools and libraries). If
users move around that much, perhaps a VNC/Citrix/Terminal Services approach
would be better.

Roaming profiles are a solution to a problem that existed before email boxes
measured in hundreds of megabytes or even gigabytes. They will work (for
Windows clients), but can bring your network to its knees. And as mentioned,
the mixing of client OS has an amusing effect sometimes.



Also, roaming

On 10/4/06, Paul-Erik Törrönen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'm going to side on B_Kloss here, since I grew frustrated with the
local profiles a long time ago.

On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 19:46 +0200, Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote:
> > This is working fine, but as soon as a user is logging into the
> domain on one of the WIN2000 or XP-clients for the first time on this
> client, the client is creating a local user-directory.
> Are you sure this is a problem?
> As long as you have enough diskspace, I don't see what should be

Remember that all the settings are also per computer, which in turn
means that the user will in the end do a set up of his desktop n times
(n equals the computers available). Also the application settings need
to be manually copied/set each time. This becomes very frustrating in no
time for the normal user, and roaming profiles can fix that. And if the
user decides to change some setting, well...

However there are a few things which needs to be addressed, as pointed
earlier.

1. The mixing of W2k and WXP will create some fabulous fireshows,
non-lethal but nonetheless spectacular.
2. Due to the way how the profile is managed in Windows,
copy-all-on-login-from-server, copy-all-on-logout-to-server, the normal
user must be made aware of this. Don't save anything on the desktop,
instead use the X: (automatically mounted to \\yourserver\).
Minimize the browser cache. Configure applications to explicitly use a
local tmp-dir (usually setting the TMP and TEMP-variables on the
workstation suffices). And anything else that minimizes the size of the
profile directory.
3. Occasionally the profile goes *bonk* on the workstation. Usually
removing the local copy is enough but nonetheless requires
administrative action.

And probably some other things which my scarred memory supresses.

As for setting up the shared profiles, the keywords in smb.conf are:

[Global]
logon drive = X:
logon path = \\%L\profiles\%U
logon script = scripts\logon.bat

[netlogon]
path = /path/to/netlogon
read only = no
nt acl support = Yes

[profiles]
comment = Roaming Profile Share
path = /path/to/profiles
read only = no
profile acls = Yes
nt acl support = Yes

Poltsi


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Re: [Samba] XP/W2K on Samba 3

2006-10-04 Thread Paul-Erik Törrönen
I'm going to side on B_Kloss here, since I grew frustrated with the
local profiles a long time ago.

On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 19:46 +0200, Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote:
> > This is working fine, but as soon as a user is logging into the
> domain on one of the WIN2000 or XP-clients for the first time on this
> client, the client is creating a local user-directory.
> Are you sure this is a problem?
> As long as you have enough diskspace, I don't see what should be 

Remember that all the settings are also per computer, which in turn
means that the user will in the end do a set up of his desktop n times
(n equals the computers available). Also the application settings need
to be manually copied/set each time. This becomes very frustrating in no
time for the normal user, and roaming profiles can fix that. And if the
user decides to change some setting, well...

However there are a few things which needs to be addressed, as pointed
earlier.

1. The mixing of W2k and WXP will create some fabulous fireshows,
non-lethal but nonetheless spectacular.
2. Due to the way how the profile is managed in Windows,
copy-all-on-login-from-server, copy-all-on-logout-to-server, the normal
user must be made aware of this. Don't save anything on the desktop,
instead use the X: (automatically mounted to \\yourserver\).
Minimize the browser cache. Configure applications to explicitly use a
local tmp-dir (usually setting the TMP and TEMP-variables on the
workstation suffices). And anything else that minimizes the size of the
profile directory.
3. Occasionally the profile goes *bonk* on the workstation. Usually
removing the local copy is enough but nonetheless requires
administrative action.

And probably some other things which my scarred memory supresses.

As for setting up the shared profiles, the keywords in smb.conf are:

[Global]
logon drive = X:
logon path = \\%L\profiles\%U
logon script = scripts\logon.bat

[netlogon]
path = /path/to/netlogon
read only = no
nt acl support = Yes

[profiles]
comment = Roaming Profile Share
path = /path/to/profiles
read only = no
profile acls = Yes
nt acl support = Yes

Poltsi


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Re: [Samba] XP/W2K on Samba 3

2006-10-03 Thread Wolfgang Ratzka
To prevent users from changing their profile you could assign to them a
"mandatory profile", that is not stored back to the server and is
deleted from the client upon logout. (I haven't used such a thing, I
only know that it is supposed to exist.)
An easier way of making the user's profile go away upon logout is
to put him/her into the guest's group. (I am not shure which other
consequences this will have.)

To modify the default storage location for documents etc., you use a
policy that does folder redirection. (You can also use folder
redirection without using policies by directly editing the registry of
the [mandatory] profile assigned to the users.)

Some of these topics are covered in Chapter 5 ("Making happy users")
of "Samba-3 by Example" aka "The Samba Guide", see
http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-Guide/
and in Chapter 27 ("Desktop Profile Management") of the
"Samba Howto Collection", see
http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/


HTH
Wolfgang Ratzka

> Okay, let me try to explain it the simple way as I understand it.
> We are running a debian-server with debian-clients and also a mixture of 
> WIN98SE, WIN2000 and XP-clients. Users are logging in from all these four 
> types of clients. They have one personal share on /home/username accessible 
> from all types of clients (via SAMBA for Win-clients).
> This is working fine, but as soon as a user is logging into the domain on one 
> of the WIN2000 or XP-clients for the first time on this client, the client is 
> creating a local user-directory.
> 
> In a first step I would like to avoid this creating of local 
> user-directories, 
> because after a while each user has a local home-directory on every 
> win2000/XP-client. Opening the explorer he should only find one home 
> directory, which is his samba-share on the server.
> 
> In a second step it would be great, if he is trying to save data, WORD or 
> what 
> ever automatically offers the users samba-share for saving data.
> 
> What I do not want to offer is a personal desktop that is available from 
> every 
> computer he is logging in. I want to have the Win2000 or XPdesktop the same 
> for all users. They can use the Linux-KDE-computers if they want their own 
> desktop.
> 
> How can this be achieved?
> Thank you for helping.
> 

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Re: [Samba] XP/W2K on Samba 3

2006-10-03 Thread Peter Ulrich Kruppa

On Tue, 3 Oct 2006, B_Kloss wrote:


Okay, let me try to explain it the simple way as I understand it.
We are running a debian-server with debian-clients and also a mixture of
WIN98SE, WIN2000 and XP-clients. Users are logging in from all these four
types of clients. They have one personal share on /home/username accessible
from all types of clients (via SAMBA for Win-clients).
This is working fine, but as soon as a user is logging into the domain on one
of the WIN2000 or XP-clients for the first time on this client, the client is
creating a local user-directory.
Are you sure this is a problem? 
As long as you have enough diskspace, I don't see what should be 
wrong about that. All your users have to know is, that they have 
to save their work in their home shares to make it accessible 
from all machines. And your Linux Boxes can't use Windows 
profiles anyway.


Regards,

Uli.



In a first step I would like to avoid this creating of local user-directories,
because after a while each user has a local home-directory on every
win2000/XP-client. Opening the explorer he should only find one home
directory, which is his samba-share on the server.

In a second step it would be great, if he is trying to save data, WORD or what
ever automatically offers the users samba-share for saving data.

What I do not want to offer is a personal desktop that is available from every
computer he is logging in. I want to have the Win2000 or XPdesktop the same
for all users. They can use the Linux-KDE-computers if they want their own
desktop.

How can this be achieved?
Thank you for helping.


Am Dienstag, 3. Oktober 2006 15:09 schrieb Aaron Kincer:

I am not sure from Bernd's email what he is trying to accomplish, but
there are things to consider if you are trying to do roaming profiles.
With the volume of data often stored in today's profile, it is
non-trivial to enable this option and I do not recommend doing so for
the average user. There are other ways to accomplish some of the
benefits of profiles without the mess.

The first thing is to decide what you want to accomplish and then find
the solution that best fits those needs.

Bruno Rodrigues Neves wrote:

Greetings!

So Bernd, previously I wanted do the same, but I didn´t get success
because the profiles from Windows 2000 and Windows XP are differents
(when a user logs in on a Windows 2000 and after that he tries to log
in on a Windows XP, it returns some errors)...

But, if you want, you can look for the "profiles section" that will
avoid you do that.

When you configure it with this option, the Windows client will use
remote profiles automagically! : )

[ ]´s

On 10/3/06, Bernd Kloss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello,

maybe it is not the right place to ask Windows-related questions, but
i'll give it a try.

I am running a Debian-Etch-Server with Samba 3 and Windows2000 and
XP-clients.
Everything is working fine except:

For every user logging in from a Win-client, the client generates a
local user-profile and local user-directories.

What has to be done within Samba and what has to be done on the clients
to avoid that and get all userdata stored in the user's share.

Thank you!
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Re: [Samba] XP/W2K on Samba 3

2006-10-03 Thread B_Kloss
Okay, let me try to explain it the simple way as I understand it.
We are running a debian-server with debian-clients and also a mixture of 
WIN98SE, WIN2000 and XP-clients. Users are logging in from all these four 
types of clients. They have one personal share on /home/username accessible 
from all types of clients (via SAMBA for Win-clients).
This is working fine, but as soon as a user is logging into the domain on one 
of the WIN2000 or XP-clients for the first time on this client, the client is 
creating a local user-directory.

In a first step I would like to avoid this creating of local user-directories, 
because after a while each user has a local home-directory on every 
win2000/XP-client. Opening the explorer he should only find one home 
directory, which is his samba-share on the server.

In a second step it would be great, if he is trying to save data, WORD or what 
ever automatically offers the users samba-share for saving data.

What I do not want to offer is a personal desktop that is available from every 
computer he is logging in. I want to have the Win2000 or XPdesktop the same 
for all users. They can use the Linux-KDE-computers if they want their own 
desktop.

How can this be achieved?
Thank you for helping.


Am Dienstag, 3. Oktober 2006 15:09 schrieb Aaron Kincer:
> I am not sure from Bernd's email what he is trying to accomplish, but
> there are things to consider if you are trying to do roaming profiles.
> With the volume of data often stored in today's profile, it is
> non-trivial to enable this option and I do not recommend doing so for
> the average user. There are other ways to accomplish some of the
> benefits of profiles without the mess.
>
> The first thing is to decide what you want to accomplish and then find
> the solution that best fits those needs.
>
> Bruno Rodrigues Neves wrote:
> > Greetings!
> >
> > So Bernd, previously I wanted do the same, but I didn´t get success
> > because the profiles from Windows 2000 and Windows XP are differents
> > (when a user logs in on a Windows 2000 and after that he tries to log
> > in on a Windows XP, it returns some errors)...
> >
> > But, if you want, you can look for the "profiles section" that will
> > avoid you do that.
> >
> > When you configure it with this option, the Windows client will use
> > remote profiles automagically! : )
> >
> > [ ]´s
> >
> > On 10/3/06, Bernd Kloss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> maybe it is not the right place to ask Windows-related questions, but
> >> i'll give it a try.
> >>
> >> I am running a Debian-Etch-Server with Samba 3 and Windows2000 and
> >> XP-clients.
> >> Everything is working fine except:
> >>
> >> For every user logging in from a Win-client, the client generates a
> >> local user-profile and local user-directories.
> >>
> >> What has to be done within Samba and what has to be done on the clients
> >> to avoid that and get all userdata stored in the user's share.
> >>
> >> Thank you!
> >> ___
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Re: [Samba] XP/W2K on Samba 3

2006-10-03 Thread Aaron Kincer
I am not sure from Bernd's email what he is trying to accomplish, but 
there are things to consider if you are trying to do roaming profiles. 
With the volume of data often stored in today's profile, it is 
non-trivial to enable this option and I do not recommend doing so for 
the average user. There are other ways to accomplish some of the 
benefits of profiles without the mess.


The first thing is to decide what you want to accomplish and then find 
the solution that best fits those needs.


Bruno Rodrigues Neves wrote:

Greetings!

So Bernd, previously I wanted do the same, but I didn´t get success
because the profiles from Windows 2000 and Windows XP are differents
(when a user logs in on a Windows 2000 and after that he tries to log
in on a Windows XP, it returns some errors)...

But, if you want, you can look for the "profiles section" that will
avoid you do that.

When you configure it with this option, the Windows client will use
remote profiles automagically! : )

[ ]´s

On 10/3/06, Bernd Kloss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello,

maybe it is not the right place to ask Windows-related questions, but 
i'll give it a try.


I am running a Debian-Etch-Server with Samba 3 and Windows2000 and 
XP-clients.

Everything is working fine except:

For every user logging in from a Win-client, the client generates a 
local user-profile and local user-directories.


What has to be done within Samba and what has to be done on the clients
to avoid that and get all userdata stored in the user's share.

Thank you!
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Re: [Samba] XP/W2K on Samba 3

2006-10-03 Thread Bruno Rodrigues Neves

Greetings!

So Bernd, previously I wanted do the same, but I didn´t get success
because the profiles from Windows 2000 and Windows XP are differents
(when a user logs in on a Windows 2000 and after that he tries to log
in on a Windows XP, it returns some errors)...

But, if you want, you can look for the "profiles section" that will
avoid you do that.

When you configure it with this option, the Windows client will use
remote profiles automagically! : )

[ ]´s

On 10/3/06, Bernd Kloss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello,

maybe it is not the right place to ask Windows-related questions, but i'll give 
it a try.

I am running a Debian-Etch-Server with Samba 3 and Windows2000 and XP-clients.
Everything is working fine except:

For every user logging in from a Win-client, the client generates a local 
user-profile and local user-directories.

What has to be done within Samba and what has to be done on the clients
to avoid that and get all userdata stored in the user's share.

Thank you!
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[Samba] XP/W2K on Samba 3

2006-10-03 Thread Bernd Kloss
Hello,

maybe it is not the right place to ask Windows-related questions, but i'll give 
it a try.

I am running a Debian-Etch-Server with Samba 3 and Windows2000 and XP-clients.
Everything is working fine except:

For every user logging in from a Win-client, the client generates a local 
user-profile and local user-directories.

What has to be done within Samba and what has to be done on the clients 
to avoid that and get all userdata stored in the user's share.

Thank you!
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