Re: [scots-l] Old Age and Young
Bruce Olson wrote: There are some 'old age and young' (and 'Ages of Man') songs since the late 16th century, and I'll take a look at them when I can, but it will be a fews days from now (Monday) at least. Bruce Olson I'd appreciate any information you have, Bruce, whenever you get to it. Thanks -Steve -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Old Age and Young
Steve Wyrick wrote: Bruce Olson wrote: There are some 'old age and young' (and 'Ages of Man') songs since the late 16th century, and I'll take a look at them when I can, but it will be a fews days from now (Monday) at least. Bruce Olson I'd appreciate any information you have, Bruce, whenever you get to it. Thanks -Steve -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html For two quickies see in the broadside ballad index in section 1 below, ZN3555, and ZN271. -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, and broadside ballads at my no-spam website A href=http://www.erols.com/olsonw; Click here for homepage (= subject index) /a Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Old Age and Young
Jack Campin wrote: I suppose this sort of relates to last week's discussion of 3/2 hornpipes. I abc'd this tune from Robert Petrie's 3rd Collection of Strathspey Reels c. this week for a friend and thought someone here might be interested in it. The tempo seems weird at first glance but it's a lot of fun to play! I have 2 questions: 1) What does the title mean? I'm guessing Old Age and Young Never Agrees. Yup. I have seen a text for it once, perhaps Bruce knows it? 2) Does anyone know what sort of dance would have been done to it? T:Auld Eage and Young Never Grees the Gither It's a 3/2 hornpipe (as discussed here this week); I posted a mid-18th century version of it a few months back. It's probably a Scottish version of an English tune from the 17th century; Three Sharp Knives and Black's Hornpipe both resemble it. For lots more, look for John Offord's transcription of John of the Greeny Cheshire Way - ABCed and on the web somewhere - or Thomas Marsden's 1705 collection of Lancashire hornpipes, which I guess must have been reprinted but I have no idea when. Here's that Scots version (with only three parts): X:2 T:Old Age and Young S:Dow MS, fiddle part (c.1746?) N:written as 6/4 in MS N:first note in bar 2 of third section is missing in MS, my guess N:third note in bar 3 of third section is missing in MS, my guess M:3/2 L:1/4 Q:1/2=100 % my guess K:GDor G2 Bc d(c/B/)|A FF c A(G/F/) |G2 Bc d(c/B/)|A G2 g A(G/F/) :| ga gG A2 |F f2 F A/B/c/A/|ga gG A2 |G g2 G A/B/c/A/:| GA GG, B,2|G, D2 B AG/F/ |GA GG, B,2|D g2 B AG/F/ :| These things are metrically a bit like some Swedish schottisches. Is there any genetic relationship or similarity in the dance steps? An oddity of 3/2 tunes in Scotland is that by the late 18th century they came to be associated with childhood - Nathaniel Gow's Miss Baird of Saughtonhall was for a girl of 7, and Go to Berwick Johnnie is given a nursery-song text in the notes to the Scots Musical Museum. - Jack Campin: 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU; 0131 6604760 http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ * homepage for my CD-ROMs of Scottish traditional music; free stuff on food intolerance, music and Mac logic fonts. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html There are some 'old age and young' (and 'Ages of Man') songs since the late 16th century, and I'll take a look at them when I can, but it will be a fews days from now (Monday) at least. Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, and broadside ballads at my no-spam website A href=http://www.erols.com/olsonw; Click here for homepage (= subject index) /a Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Old Age and Young
I suppose this sort of relates to last week's discussion of 3/2 hornpipes. I abc'd this tune from Robert Petrie's 3rd Collection of Strathspey Reels c. this week for a friend and thought someone here might be interested in it. The tempo seems weird at first glance but it's a lot of fun to play! I have 2 questions: 1) What does the title mean? I'm guessing Old Age and Young Never Agrees. Yup. I have seen a text for it once, perhaps Bruce knows it? 2) Does anyone know what sort of dance would have been done to it? T:Auld Eage and Young Never Grees the Gither It's a 3/2 hornpipe (as discussed here this week); I posted a mid-18th century version of it a few months back. It's probably a Scottish version of an English tune from the 17th century; Three Sharp Knives and Black's Hornpipe both resemble it. For lots more, look for John Offord's transcription of John of the Greeny Cheshire Way - ABCed and on the web somewhere - or Thomas Marsden's 1705 collection of Lancashire hornpipes, which I guess must have been reprinted but I have no idea when. Here's that Scots version (with only three parts): X:2 T:Old Age and Young S:Dow MS, fiddle part (c.1746?) N:written as 6/4 in MS N:first note in bar 2 of third section is missing in MS, my guess N:third note in bar 3 of third section is missing in MS, my guess M:3/2 L:1/4 Q:1/2=100 % my guess K:GDor G2 Bc d(c/B/)|A FF c A(G/F/) |G2 Bc d(c/B/)|A G2 g A(G/F/) :| ga gG A2 |F f2 F A/B/c/A/|ga gG A2 |G g2 G A/B/c/A/:| GA GG, B,2|G, D2 B AG/F/ |GA GG, B,2|D g2 B AG/F/ :| These things are metrically a bit like some Swedish schottisches. Is there any genetic relationship or similarity in the dance steps? An oddity of 3/2 tunes in Scotland is that by the late 18th century they came to be associated with childhood - Nathaniel Gow's Miss Baird of Saughtonhall was for a girl of 7, and Go to Berwick Johnnie is given a nursery-song text in the notes to the Scots Musical Museum. - Jack Campin: 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU; 0131 6604760 http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ * homepage for my CD-ROMs of Scottish traditional music; free stuff on food intolerance, music and Mac logic fonts. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Old age and young...
I suppose this sort of relates to last week's discussion of 3/2 hornpipes. I abc'd this tune from Robert Petrie's 3rd Collection of Strathspey Reels c. this week for a friend and thought someone here might be interested in it. The tempo seems weird at first glance but it's a lot of fun to play! I have 2 questions: 1) What does the title mean? I'm guessing Old Age and Young Never Agrees. 2) Does anyone know what sort of dance would have been done to it? X:1 T:Auld Eage and Young Never Grees the Gither C:trad S:Petrie's Third Collection Z:Steve Wyrick N:Slowish L:1/4 M:6/4 K:Bb G2B3/2c/dc/B/|AFFcA/B/c/A/|G2B3/2c/dc/B/|AGgGA/B/c/A/:|! G3/2A/GG,B,2|DF2BAF|G3/2A/GG,B,2|DG2BA^F:|! G/A/B/G/ A/B/c/A/ B/c/d/B/|AFFcA/B/c/A/|G/A/B/G/ A/B/c/A/ B/c/d/B/|AGgGA^F:|! g3/2a/gGA2|Ff2FA/B/c/A/|g3/2a/gGA2|Gg2G A/B/c/A/|! g3/2a/gGA2|Ff2FA/B/c/A/|BA/B/cB/c/dc/d/|gf/e/dcBA|| -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
