Re: [Scottish] RHCE
On (16:28 12/12/10), Julian Gibson wrote: All I'm thinking of doing the RHCE (Red Hat Certified Engineer) exam as part of a process to get a job where I spend less of my time using MS and more on what I've been using at home for over 10 years. Anyone got any hints, tips, war stories, gotchas, whatever from having done this or considered and rejected the idea that they'd be willing to share? I realise that this is not what you asked, however... I decided to do an LPI cert rather than RH or Novell, for the simple reason that it didn't seem to make sense as an open source advocate to go and do a vendor certification. Most, if not all vendors can't help but try and lock you in, and I wasn't interested in learning about a particular vendor's Linux value add proposition and the associated proprietary bits. I mean I'm sure they teach you a bunch of transferable skills, but why bother if there is a largely distro agnostic alternative? (that may be much cheaper too) That said I appreciate that we do live in a world where $SHINY wins-out and marketing hyperbole counts for something, sadly. So, it may be that you'd get more mileage out of a vendor cert. It'll almost certainly make dealings with the mind brokers less painful, as they're programmed to respond to brands and product names and prefer not to concern themselves with precisely what is is that their stock in trade actually does. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Back a...@smokebelch.org ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] RHCE
Exactly. In our world the LPI makes sense, but sometimes the commercial world wants the brand. Is do LPI for staff and a couple of RHCE for the sales and marketing reasons. Gav. -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 279484 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 824887 E ghe...@suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions(tm). http://www.suretecsystems.com/ Suretec Systems is a limited company registered in Scotland. Registered number: SC258005. Registered office: 24 Cormack Park, Rothienorman, Inverurie, Aberdeenshire, AB51 8GL. Subject to disclaimer at http://www.suretecgroup.com/disclaimer.html - Reply message - From: Andrew Back a...@smokebelch.org Date: Tue, Dec 14, 2010 11:58 Subject: [Scottish] RHCE To: ScotLUG scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk On (16:28 12/12/10), Julian Gibson wrote: All I'm thinking of doing the RHCE (Red Hat Certified Engineer) exam as part of a process to get a job where I spend less of my time using MS and more on what I've been using at home for over 10 years. Anyone got any hints, tips, war stories, gotchas, whatever from having done this or considered and rejected the idea that they'd be willing to share? I realise that this is not what you asked, however... I decided to do an LPI cert rather than RH or Novell, for the simple reason that it didn't seem to make sense as an open source advocate to go and do a vendor certification. Most, if not all vendors can't help but try and lock you in, and I wasn't interested in learning about a particular vendor's Linux value add proposition and the associated proprietary bits. I mean I'm sure they teach you a bunch of transferable skills, but why bother if there is a largely distro agnostic alternative? (that may be much cheaper too) That said I appreciate that we do live in a world where $SHINY wins-out and marketing hyperbole counts for something, sadly. So, it may be that you'd get more mileage out of a vendor cert. It'll almost certainly make dealings with the mind brokers less painful, as they're programmed to respond to brands and product names and prefer not to concern themselves with precisely what is is that their stock in trade actually does. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Back a...@smokebelch.org ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] RHCE
In the enterprises I have worked in, LPI has never been asked for. RHCE has been the only Linux OS cert which I have seen on a Job Spec sheet. On 14 December 2010 12:47, Gavin Henry ghe...@suretecsystems.com wrote: Exactly. In our world the LPI makes sense, but sometimes the commercial world wants the brand. Is do LPI for staff and a couple of RHCE for the sales and marketing reasons. Gav. -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 279484 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 824887 E ghe...@suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions(tm). http://www.suretecsystems.com/ Suretec Systems is a limited company registered in Scotland. Registered number: SC258005. Registered office: 24 Cormack Park, Rothienorman, Inverurie, Aberdeenshire, AB51 8GL. Subject to disclaimer at http://www.suretecgroup.com/disclaimer.html - Reply message - From: Andrew Back a...@smokebelch.org Date: Tue, Dec 14, 2010 11:58 Subject: [Scottish] RHCE To: ScotLUG scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk On (16:28 12/12/10), Julian Gibson wrote: All I'm thinking of doing the RHCE (Red Hat Certified Engineer) exam as part of a process to get a job where I spend less of my time using MS and more on what I've been using at home for over 10 years. Anyone got any hints, tips, war stories, gotchas, whatever from having done this or considered and rejected the idea that they'd be willing to share? I realise that this is not what you asked, however... I decided to do an LPI cert rather than RH or Novell, for the simple reason that it didn't seem to make sense as an open source advocate to go and do a vendor certification. Most, if not all vendors can't help but try and lock you in, and I wasn't interested in learning about a particular vendor's Linux value add proposition and the associated proprietary bits. I mean I'm sure they teach you a bunch of transferable skills, but why bother if there is a largely distro agnostic alternative? (that may be much cheaper too) That said I appreciate that we do live in a world where $SHINY wins-out and marketing hyperbole counts for something, sadly. So, it may be that you'd get more mileage out of a vendor cert. It'll almost certainly make dealings with the mind brokers less painful, as they're programmed to respond to brands and product names and prefer not to concern themselves with precisely what is is that their stock in trade actually does. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Back a...@smokebelch.org ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] RHCE
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 12:59:01PM +, Andrew Calverley wrote: In the enterprises I have worked in, LPI has never been asked for. RHCE has been the only Linux OS cert which I have seen on a Job Spec sheet. I've never yet had a problem when stating that people I'm bringing into companies are Linux engineers, even when specific qualifications have been stipulated as a condition. Sometimes there is a query from technical people, easily addressed, but I've never had one with management. Perhaps it's worth coming up with a better way to describe skillsets? Maybe consider advertising something like Experienced Linux engineers with a background in Red Hat, SuSE, Ubuntu. Dan ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] RHCE
Problem is Dan that in most large enterprise operations (third party contracting etc) CV's are purged before they hit the folks who know anything about the post. I have often asked for the complete set of applications but that is fairly rare. Often I have found that competent folks I know are applying have been discarded by a keywording exercise undertaken by Agency or HR folks. Sad but true. On 14 December 2010 14:00, Dan Shearer d...@shearer.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 12:59:01PM +, Andrew Calverley wrote: In the enterprises I have worked in, LPI has never been asked for. RHCE has been the only Linux OS cert which I have seen on a Job Spec sheet. I've never yet had a problem when stating that people I'm bringing into companies are Linux engineers, even when specific qualifications have been stipulated as a condition. Sometimes there is a query from technical people, easily addressed, but I've never had one with management. Perhaps it's worth coming up with a better way to describe skillsets? Maybe consider advertising something like Experienced Linux engineers with a background in Red Hat, SuSE, Ubuntu. Dan ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] RHCE
Did you take the mock test on the RH site? Gav. -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 279484 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 824887 E ghe...@suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions(tm). http://www.suretecsystems.com/ Suretec Systems is a limited company registered in Scotland. Registered number: SC258005. Registered office: 24 Cormack Park, Rothienorman, Inverurie, Aberdeenshire, AB51 8GL. Subject to disclaimer at http://www.suretecgroup.com/disclaimer.html - Reply message - From: Julian Gibson jul...@rjmg.net Date: Sun, Dec 12, 2010 16:28 Subject: [Scottish] RHCE To: ScotLUG scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk All I'm thinking of doing the RHCE (Red Hat Certified Engineer) exam as part of a process to get a job where I spend less of my time using MS and more on what I've been using at home for over 10 years. Anyone got any hints, tips, war stories, gotchas, whatever from having done this or considered and rejected the idea that they'd be willing to share? Cheers Julian -- jul...@rjmg.net GnuPG publickey available on request http://www.flickr.com/photos/55505...@n00 ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] RHCE
- Original Message - Hi Gavin No not yet, but I will do. Will be interesting to see what I really know vs what I think I know. Yeah, fun. I've been planning on doing it since 2003! Since RHEL 6 is now out myself and another one of my techs will go do it so we can go for the Red Hat Advanced Parter in Q2 2011. We may do the 5 day course thing just as a wee break :-) Cheers. -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 279484 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 824887 E ghe...@suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions(tm). http://www.suretecsystems.com/ Suretec Systems is a limited company registered in Scotland. Registered number: SC258005. Registered office: 24 Cormack Park, Rothienorman, Inverurie, Aberdeenshire, AB51 8GL. Subject to disclaimer at http://www.suretecgroup.com/disclaimer.html ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
