RE: New Standard Could Reduce Spam

2004-05-20 Thread Vincenzo Gianferrari Pini
  This is something that I already developed last fall at the sender
  MTA side (AddServerSignature mailet)
 
 You and I discussed it in September, at the latest.  There should be a
 record of it in our archives, and I have a copy of the server-signed message
 you sent to me with the source code on September 16th.
 
No problem, I have all the source code working.

  but stopped because I was counting on having a MUA check at the recipient
  side, and Outlook Express was not behaving correctly.
 
 Do you recall what the issue was?  I would expect to have to rewrite the
 Sender: header to match the key.
 
 The threads were From email address validation and [PROPOSAL] Release
 Plan in this list.
 
http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED]msgNo=9935

The Sender: header is already ok, the problem is that Outlook Express seems to be 
not behaving well: Outlook Express [considers] as a tampering the fact of having
the signature not coming from the sender, and ignores the Sender: header.

At that time I sent a probe (see http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]msgNo=9937) to understand which MUA-s were well behaved, but only Serge and 
Matthew Pangaro did reply.

Now, should we ignore the Outlook Express behaviour and proceed? Or should we look for 
a signature being checked at the recipient server side? ... Just to see if there are 
thoughts about this.

  Any thoughts?
 
 Time to get this into CVS so that it is an option.  :-)

:-))

Vincenzo

 
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Re: New Standard Could Reduce Spam

2004-05-19 Thread Richard O. Hammer
It seems to me that spam is a big problem that many of us (or perhaps 
most of us) have ideas about.  I guess that most of the work now being 
done on mail-handling programs (including James) is motivated by a 
desire to limit spam.

In this vein, I have spent most of the last four years working toward 
a kind of solution.  But after four years the best I can say is that 
I've learned a lot.  Also I have a preliminary offering at 
Mailscreen.net, but I grant this is so blunt and unrefined that it 
will please almost no one.

My work on spam mixes in a heavy dose of my philosophy, which is 
libertarian.  I mistrust government and hope to see solutions 
developed by private free market entrepreneurs.

On my to-do list, after I get caught up in the J2EE course which I'm 
slogging through http://www.javapassion.com/j2ee/index.html, I want 
to put up a blog focused on a search for market-oriented network 
protocols.  I posit that basic protocols at the IP level would contain 
better provisions for assuring the mutual gain of participants if 
those protocols had evolved in a marketplace between business traders, 
rather than having been developed on contract for a monolithic power 
(the US Department of Defense).

Rich Hammer
my present project: http://mailscreen.net/
resume: http://trilug.org/~rh/resume.html
a previous project now in hibernation: http://freenation.org/
Vincenzo Gianferrari Pini wrote:
I found this article today:
http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,63513,00.html
This is something that I already developed last fall at the sender MTA side 
(AddServerSignature mailet), but stopped because I was counting on having a MUA 
check at the recipient side, and Outlook Express was not behaving correctly.
The threads were From email address validation and [PROPOSAL] Release Plan in this 
list.
This thing could become important in my country (Italy) also because the Italian 
Government is setting new rules regarding MTAs sending back signed receipt 
confirmations, in order to have email messages become legally valid etc. I'm going to 
dig a little around this.
Perhaps other countries are doing something similar now ...
Any thoughts?

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RE: New Standard Could Reduce Spam

2004-05-19 Thread Noel J. Bergman
 http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,63513,00.html

 This is something that I already developed last fall at the sender
 MTA side (AddServerSignature mailet)

You and I discussed it in September, at the latest.  There should be a
record of it in our archives, and I have a copy of the server-signed message
you sent to me with the source code on September 16th.

 but stopped because I was counting on having a MUA check at the recipient
 side, and Outlook Express was not behaving correctly.

Do you recall what the issue was?  I would expect to have to rewrite the
Sender: header to match the key.

The threads were From email address validation and [PROPOSAL] Release
Plan in this list.

 Any thoughts?

Time to get this into CVS so that it is an option.  :-)

--- Noel


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