Re: CSSupplements
As with all e-mail and hard copy newsletters from all sources (Mercola, Whitaker, Wright, Douglass, Williams, Weill - ended his..., Rowan, West, etc.), read them carefully, but it's safer to hold them in your craw with a question mark and cross reference everything. Mercola like many others is selling stuff and when they're selling stuff I'm even more careful about trusting a one-source read. Don't get me wrong, Mercola has put out some good information. The Health Ranger, Mike Adams, at Natural News isn't selling anything and has an excellent e-newsletter. He also has a Biophotonic score of 80 - the highest I'm aware of. My Biophotonic score is only 66 - - and Mike puts out a lot of great health info. It's just that I like to see at least two (and usually more) sources saying the same thing - and then some proof. There are few supplement makers and many names get them from the same source. I've been taking multi-vitamins for about as long as Mercola has been alive and I've never been poisoned and I don't fear any toxic build-up. If you take a good source multi-vitamin - mineral, I don't think you're going to have any problems. John On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 2:15 AM, Rowena new...@internode.on.net wrote: About supplements - Dr Mercola has an article and video about them at the moment, http://products.mercola.com/multivitamin-vital-minerals/?source=nl and says that the supplements may not be made by the company whose name is on the label, but may be contracted out to other manufacturers. Also he says that tablets contain more supplement than capsules because it can be packed in tight. He says it needs to be easily released in the gut, otherwise it passes through unused. The header is fairly dramatic, though I didn't think the text really warranted it: Video: STOP Taking Multivitamins Until You Read This Did you know your multivitamin may be creating toxic build up within your body? The deadly secret multivitamin suppliers hope you never discover... Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVanadium for Diabetes?
In a message dated 1/30/2010 10:25:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, you...@relia.net writes: Anyone know if Vanadium supplements can really help diabetics control their blood sugar levels, and/or provide other beneficial results? Thanks, Steve Y. Here is a cross post from Oxyplus by Dr Pressman Type 2 diabetes is due to insulin resistance by tissues. Type 2 may progress to destruction of the insulin-producing cells of the pancreas, but is still considered Type 2. The insulin producing beta cells of the pancreas can be regenerated by Shardunika (Gymnema sylvestre) or cedar berries (Juniperus monosperma), available in most health food stores. Insulin resistance is due to a lack of chromium and vanadium, which can be easily supplemented.
Re: CSVanadium for Diabetes?
This is interesting. I wonder if it's also true for animals -- specifically horses? Anyone know? MA Here is a cross post from Oxyplus by Dr Pressman Type 2 diabetes is due to insulin resistance by tissues. Type 2 may progress to destruction of the insulin-producing cells of the pancreas, but is still considered Type 2. The insulin producing beta cells of the pancreas can be regenerated by Shardunika (Gymnema sylvestre) or cedar berries (Juniperus monosperma), available in most health food stores. Insulin resistance is due to a lack of chromium and vanadium, which can be easily supplemented.
Re: CS Testimonies...Dee
So that probably *would* be classed as a kind of proof then Bruce. dee On 30 Jan 2010, at 23:40, Bruce Anderson wrote: All I know is that prior to that point, I caught my fair share of most everything going around. On 1/30/2010 7:06 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSWHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria!
That was more a suggestion put out there to see if anyone had any ideas or
information on the subject. There are so many unknowns regarding this stuff
it's difficult to find definite information, and when one does it's in such
scientific mumbo jumbo it's hard to follow {for me}. Meantime I'll just keep
plodding on til I can find something I can understand. I wasn't in the habit
of saving info I'd found on the net when first getting into this stuff as I was
only satisfying my own interests at the time. There was one article
referencing it, I just need to find it again...failed thus far though.
N.
From: leslie1...@windstream.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSWHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria!
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:51:07 -0600
Hi, I'm a little behind time due to email servers, but Neville you had
mentioned earlier that there was the possibility of sulphur re CS and the blue
moons. Did you find that again? Was wondering if my daughter might have been
taking some sort of pill that had sulphur in it??
Also, if EIS and CS is both silver, is the only difference in the particle size
or is there a difference in the making of it also? I am making CS.
Hey, thank you.
Leslie
- Original Message -
From: Neville Munn
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:35 PM
Subject: RE: CSWHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria!
Ammonia.
N.
Subject: Re: CSWHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria!
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:21:05 -0600
From: stephen.nor...@ngc.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
What is his theory?
- Steve N
From: Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat Jan 30 17:15:45 2010
Subject: RE: CSWHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria!
Steve, I meant to thank you for those questions you put on here a couple days
ago.
Don't know if you've read Stuart Thompson's hypothesis regarding stomack acid
and silver, unfortunately the whole story is unavailable, but what little
remains available in the public domain of a discussion on the subject is a very
good teaser, but at this point in time, given the limited information
available, I believe I'm running with his theory.
N.
Subject: Re: CSWHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria!
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:24:28 -0600
From: stephen.nor...@ngc.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
[That EIS forms silver chloride in the stomach is considered argumentative by
some but I think it is clearly the case. ]
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Re: CSVanadium for Diabetes?
In my research I find Organic whole food sourced GTF Chromium to be best at reversing diabetes. It ain't no 10 day antibiotic program, though, it's something you have to stay on for months and maybe forever. Lack of real chromium from natural breads, not the bleached white flour bread which has NONE, is the cause of diabetes. Chromium piclionate is a synthetic and doesn't do the job of reversing diabetes. In using GTF (Glucose Tolerance Factor) Chromium, you should begin noticing results within a couple of months. And then continual positive changes from then on. Vanadium is good for loose teeth - it will tighten the gum and bone structure holding your teeth. John On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 6:57 AM, ejohns9...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 1/30/2010 10:25:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, you...@relia.net writes: Anyone know if Vanadium supplements can really help diabetics control their blood sugar levels, and/or provide other beneficial results? Thanks, Steve Y. *Here is a cross post from Oxyplus by Dr Pressman* ** **Type 2 diabetes is due to insulin resistance by tissues. Type 2 may progress to destruction of the insulin-producing cells of the pancreas, but is still considered Type 2. The insulin producing beta cells of the pancreas can be regenerated by Shardunika (Gymnema sylvestre) or cedar berries (Juniperus monosperma), available in most health food stores. Insulin resistance is due to a lack of chromium and vanadium, which can be easily supplemented.
Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS
Crikey Mike, and I wasn't even aware of such things! I have smelled damp on some people I have met and of course, here in the Uk there are a lot of very old houses which don't have proper damp courses. They contain dry rot too oddly, which I suppose is a kind of mold, but you can still smell this. I wasn't aware that you could get mold in bedding though although I know that there are mites and things, unless the house was damp or empty. With respect, and thank you for pointing out the possibility of such a thing, but I don't think this can be my problem. For one thing, it doesn't happen all the time, only occasionally. For instance, I got it when I hurt my arm, but now I feel ok, even though I have a cold. With loads of CS I have kept it to just a cold and it hasn't developed into anything worse. Also, I would have thought it would have affected my husband too - being in the same environment - but he never gets this. I make approximately 10ppm EIS and drink it at up to 20mls at a time at random intervals. Do you mean this would not be enough to get rid of herpes? And this would not be enough to kill friendly bacteria would it? I am a bit confused here by all this techie information I am afraid! lol dee On 30 Jan 2010, at 23:51, Mike Monett wrote: Thank you for your very comprehensive post Mike and all the information in it. Thanks for taking the time to read it. I have to say that my shingles have never been anything like as bad as those in the pictures you showed. Those people were is a great deal of pain. My heart goes out to them for their suffering. I managed to stop mine just as it was starting to break out, but even that was painful enough. I just either get 'stabbing' pains on either set of ribs or under the fleshy part of my arms, or I get four or five small lesions on my face. These go when I apply 10ppm CS plus DMSO usually within a week or two or three weeks if I forget and don't apply the potion. 10ppm is not really strong enough to do the job. Also, the term ppm refers to colloidal silver that contains a significant proportion of silver hydroxide, AgOH. This is insoluble, inert, and has no biological activity. However, if you drink it, it converts to silver chloride and water in the stomach. The equation is AgOH + HCl -- AgCl + H2O -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSupplements
I read that too Rowena, and I must say, what with everything else I have read lately, and my own experiences, it is putting me off buying supplements altogether! I have spent thousands over the years on supplements and now it could be that they have done me more harm than good. I must say, they have never made me feel really well, with the possible exception of iodine. I am particularly bothered about Vit C and the article that mentioned that in low doses, it could actually encourage cancer due to its anti-oxidant action. Scary! dee On 31 Jan 2010, at 07:15, Rowena wrote: About supplements - Dr Mercola has an article and video about them at the moment, http://products.mercola.com/multivitamin-vital-minerals/?source=nl and says that the supplements may not be made by the company whose name is on the label, but may be contracted out to other manufacturers. Also he says that tablets contain more supplement than capsules because it can be packed in tight. He says it needs to be easily released in the gut, otherwise it passes through unused. The header is fairly dramatic, though I didn't think the text really warranted it: Video: STOP Taking Multivitamins Until You Read This Did you know your multivitamin may be creating toxic build up within your body? The deadly secret multivitamin suppliers hope you never discover... Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSupplements
I trust Mercola as well as anyone else, because he has 'put his money where his mouth is' so to speak. He ran his site for a long time without any funding except his own, and he will tell you himself that the main reason for selling stuff is to fund both the site, and the law-suits that he is constantly finding himself in with big pharma and the establishment. He was the first to speak out about Vioxx and get it banned and he has been a constant thorn in the side of big pharma and their cohorts over the years. He alerted people to the dangers of vaccines etc., and they tried to close him down many times and have used many dirty tricks against him, as they do anyone who is a danger to their income. I don't blame people for trying to earn a living selling things, as long as their integrity is sound, and I believe his is. Plus, his products are really good too, and guaranteed. dee On 31 Jan 2010, at 09:37, John E. Stevens wrote: As with all e-mail and hard copy newsletters from all sources (Mercola, Whitaker, Wright, Douglass, Williams, Weill - ended his..., Rowan, West, etc.), read them carefully, but it's safer to hold them in your craw with a question mark and cross reference everything. Mercola like many others is selling stuff and when they're selling stuff I'm even more careful about trusting a one-source read. Don't get me wrong, Mercola has put out some good information. The Health Ranger, Mike Adams, at Natural News isn't selling anything and has an excellent e-newsletter. He also has a Biophotonic score of 80 - the highest I'm aware of. My Biophotonic score is only 66 - - and Mike puts out a lot of great health info. It's just that I like to see at least two (and usually more) sources saying the same thing - and then some proof. There are few supplement makers and many names get them from the same source. I've been taking multi-vitamins for about as long as Mercola has been alive and I've never been poisoned and I don't fear any toxic build-up. If you take a good source multi-vitamin - mineral, I don't think you're going to have any problems. John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSupplements
Dee: i don't know where you read some of this stuff. Vitamin C is a cancer preventative as prooven by Linus Pauling long ago. At his terminal cancer clinic back in the '60's, he was using IV Vitamin C to treat terminal cancer patients and they were living five times longer and much more comfortably (in their body)than cobalt, radiation, chemo, and other cancer treatments that were being used at the time. Even Dr. Julian Whitaker recommends IV Vitamin C to treat cancer. And as far as supplement use goes, I've been taking many supplements for over 35 years and I know they have helped me and others immensely! I controlled my 95 year old Aunt's Atrial Fibrilation with 200 mg of CoQ10 and/or Ubiquinol. I think you're getting unneededly paranoid about supplement usage - or you've used a wrong source of supplements. I used a host of supplements with some other protocols to help a man who was going to have his cancer loaded kidney surgically removed in four weeks. At the end of the four period and the protocols, which included 10 grams of vitamin C daily, the oncologists had to cancel his surgery. They couldn't find any cancer in their scans and X-rays. John On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: I read that too Rowena, and I must say, what with everything else I have read lately, and my own experiences, it is putting me off buying supplements altogether! I have spent thousands over the years on supplements and now it could be that they have done me more harm than good. I must say, they have never made me feel really well, with the possible exception of iodine. I am particularly bothered about Vit C and the article that mentioned that in low doses, it could actually encourage cancer due to its anti-oxidant action. Scary! dee On 31 Jan 2010, at 07:15, Rowena wrote: About supplements - Dr Mercola has an article and video about them at the moment, http://products.mercola.com/multivitamin-vital-minerals/?source=nl and says that the supplements may not be made by the company whose name is on the label, but may be contracted out to other manufacturers. Also he says that tablets contain more supplement than capsules because it can be packed in tight. He says it needs to be easily released in the gut, otherwise it passes through unused. The header is fairly dramatic, though I didn't think the text really warranted it: Video: STOP Taking Multivitamins Until You Read This Did you know your multivitamin may be creating toxic build up within your body? The deadly secret multivitamin suppliers hope you never discover... Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSupplements
Dee: Believe what you will. Dr. Weill believes Soy is a good product - and it may be for women, not men. And certainly not in formula for babies. They'd starve on it! There were MANY doctors and other sources outside of Mercola who warned people of Vioxx - and before Mercola. Douglass was far ahead of Mercola on that one - as he is with much. John On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: I trust Mercola as well as anyone else, because he has 'put his money where his mouth is' so to speak. He ran his site for a long time without any funding except his own, and he will tell you himself that the main reason for selling stuff is to fund both the site, and the law-suits that he is constantly finding himself in with big pharma and the establishment. He was the first to speak out about Vioxx and get it banned and he has been a constant thorn in the side of big pharma and their cohorts over the years. He alerted people to the dangers of vaccines etc., and they tried to close him down many times and have used many dirty tricks against him, as they do anyone who is a danger to their income. I don't blame people for trying to earn a living selling things, as long as their integrity is sound, and I believe his is. Plus, his products are really good too, and guaranteed. dee On 31 Jan 2010, at 09:37, John E. Stevens wrote: As with all e-mail and hard copy newsletters from all sources (Mercola, Whitaker, Wright, Douglass, Williams, Weill - ended his..., Rowan, West, etc.), read them carefully, but it's safer to hold them in your craw with a question mark and cross reference everything. Mercola like many others is selling stuff and when they're selling stuff I'm even more careful about trusting a one-source read. Don't get me wrong, Mercola has put out some good information. The Health Ranger, Mike Adams, at Natural News isn't selling anything and has an excellent e-newsletter. He also has a Biophotonic score of 80 - the highest I'm aware of. My Biophotonic score is only 66 - - and Mike puts out a lot of great health info. It's just that I like to see at least two (and usually more) sources saying the same thing - and then some proof. There are few supplement makers and many names get them from the same source. I've been taking multi-vitamins for about as long as Mercola has been alive and I've never been poisoned and I don't fear any toxic build-up. If you take a good source multi-vitamin - mineral, I don't think you're going to have any problems. John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDepression/Anxiety
Opinion: Depression is a negative feedback loop where lack of interest and lack of adequate reasons to do stuff leads to doing nothing...and doing nothing suppresses the brain chemistry that makes one interested in doing stuff. To get around that, learn to not need reasons to move, and once you get moving, reasons come back, especially if reasons are no longer needed. [ANY reason is an adequate reason...get MOVING and the sillier the better ] Depression is a disease of the ego, backed up by chemical imbalance in a feedback loop. [Attitude controls brain chemistry and ego controls attitude] A great deal of a womans ego comes from the power of her sexuality and if she no longer feels sexy, that power gone leaves a huge vacuum...and a vacuum attracts anxiety. Silly can fill it. Get unreasonable. You don't need a reason to be happy. Feed another loop. Laugh for no reason and the laughter itself is funny...BECAUSE it has no reason. You don't even have to mean it for it to become it's own silly meaning. Take that girl for a walk around the block and start skipping and giggling like an idiot...and encourage her do it too. You doing it shows that a reduction in sensibility threat is possible. Then bookmark that silly page for habitual referral. Depression makes no more sense than silly does...but silly feels a heck of a lot better. It kick starts the chemistry. The only good thing about anti depressive drugs is that they make you a bookmark on a page that says I don't HAVE to feel bad and *this* feel good is proof [Remember this feeling so you'll know it's possible.] But people start believing that the *book* is the source, not what the book SAYS. [The messenger being mis-taken as the message and turned into a religion that worships the messenger. ] Depression is insanity seeing itself as sane and giving it validation feedback. Since few believe that they control their own brain chemistry, telling them the truth is seen as a threat to their denied victim-hood and the defenses go up. Laughter for NO reason is a non threatening loop buster. [ Just as Sneaky as a denial. ] Silly is contagious as it slips an unreasonable non threat in behind reasons back. Reason can't make sense of that sort of nonsense and is thus defenseless. HRT can be expensive and dangerous, but 17B Oestragel [Estradiol], a bio Identical hormone derived from plant sterols applies topically, bypassing the liver and greatly reducing the risk of blood clots..that and a little topical Progesterone for balance, in as small a doses as is effective [like 1/32 the recommended doses] can be had for about $35 a year from online pharmacies smuggled in via the US Mail from New Zealand. Or, many herbs and foods contain those same sterols and favanoids...but the liver will destroy about 90% if taken orally and spew byproducts...so a tincture or essential oil in a moisturizing body cream may be the answer. Surrounded by menopausal women.. just a whispered Show me your tits has a positive effect. It's not that I need to see them, it's you thinking I want to...and, of course, I do, but that's not the point..and it doesn't matter if they pop out or not. A seed was planted and left-be to grow as IT wants to. Sneak up behind her and feel her up now and thenjust for fun...don't place any meaning on it. A little squeeze and walk away smiling. Honey, It's not that I want anything...I just can't help itI'm a GUY! Once she gets over the idea there's a demand she feels she can't supply, something to be defensive about, she'll start giggling like a school girl...that's so SILLY! and you can't giggle without unreasonably feeling better. It's like, you just can't play a sad song on a Banjo. That sound won't carry it anywhere. I ran a little experiment once: I was at a party and had a long very interesting conversation with a 70 year old woman. Just before parting company, I reached out and cupped a breast so no one could see. She stepped back in surprise and exclaimed, 'MY, you certainly are FRESH! I said, Yes, but you'll think about that all night and be smiling in the morninghow some whipper snapper actually wanted to touch, but made no show or demands It's called Pure Appreciation without consequence. We caressed minds for hours, but that's not all there is...and it doesn't mean anything. She considered that briefly, softened and went away very pleased with herself. [And probably stayed that way for weeks..maybe even years. ] Bookmark So now, over the years, a line up comes around now and then for a little playful appreciation...50ish+ women bringing their friends to talk. Ode [Totally Harmless Pre-vert ] At 07:43 AM 1/30/2010 -0500, you wrote: I need some direction. My wife is 46 years old suffering from depression, anxiety and menopause. She has been seeing counselors and she was recommended to again take an depressants. She has tried
RE: CSDepression/Anxiety
I have been living under the dark cloud of peri-menopause for many months, and it isn't fun. What I found most helpful was an herbal formula called Bio-Fem HRT, liposomal Progesterone .75 once a day under the tongue at bedtime, and evening primrose oil, once a day at bedtime. I found taking the two bedtime ones helped me to stay asleep through the night too. Good luck. Kathy - Original Message - From: LOU ROSELLI mailto:lrose...@hvc.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:43 AM Subject: CSDepression/Anxiety I need some direction. My wife is 46 years old suffering from depression, anxiety and menopause. She has been seeing counselors and she was recommended to again take an depressants. She has tried Wellbutryn once for a month which gave her bad side effects like headaches and anxious and the latest Lexapro which also she can not stand the side effects. They are making her feel even worse, then better. Lexapro has been making her feel nauseas and dizzy which are some of the side effects is what I read. I finally got her to think about the natural route and I am trying to see if anyone out there can give me some solid holistic direction of what see can take to help her feel better to alleviate the depression anxiety and the usual hot flashes and everything else that comes with menopause, without these side effects..Can anyone direct me. Thanks Lou from NY
Re: CSWHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria!
The other part of the theory is that fulminating silver [ a very unstable compound...explosive even ] made by silver chlorides encounter with ammonia plates silver out onto small silver particles in the blood stream that make up a portion of EIS ...making them slightly bigger. Also note that Ammonia is eliminated in the urine, so any silver chloride that HAD been converted and DIDN'T plate onto colloidal particles, would come out that end with the ammonia. If MOST of it does, that sorta confirms the theory. Ode At 05:44 PM 1/30/2010 -0600, you wrote: I am familiar with that theory. Ammonia will disolve silver chloride. But if the silver chloride was disolved by ammonia it would be removed by the liver since the silver would be in solution. But if you look at the Altman study it is the kidney that is removing the excess silver and the kidney removes particles. - Steve N -- From: Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat Jan 30 17:35:19 2010 Subject: RE: CSWHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria! Ammonia. N. -- Subject: Re: CSWHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria! Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:21:05 -0600 From: stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com What is his theory? - Steve N -- From: Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat Jan 30 17:15:45 2010 Subject: RE: CSWHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria! Steve, I meant to thank you for those questions you put on here a couple days ago. Don't know if you've read Stuart Thompson's hypothesis regarding stomack acid and silver, unfortunately the whole story is unavailable, but what little remains available in the public domain of a discussion on the subject is a very good teaser, but at this point in time, given the limited information available, I believe I'm running with his theory. N. -- Subject: Re: CSWHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria! Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:24:28 -0600 From: stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com [That EIS forms silver chloride in the stomach is considered argumentative by some but I think it is clearly the case. ] -- Learn how http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/messenger/article/870686/video-chat-with-messengerVideo chat with Windows Live Messenger -- If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK Shopping Trolley Mechanic -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSupplements
I'm not disputing the efficacy of Vit C in the *treatment* of cancer John, or anything else for that matter. But I read on the Vit C site which was posted on this list, that low dose Vit C can encourage, if not cause cancer, because of its very anti-oxidant action. Cancer can only survive if deprived of oxygen and this is its MO. As far as my supplement usage goes, I only use those which have been recommended or researched. Also, I do not question the usage of supplements at all especially instead of things like chemo etc., I would always choose that route myself. As I say, I have always used supplements myself, but in the light of a few things recently , it has made me question this. I believe it is right to question *all* things, not only the big pharma and the medical system. You also have to remember, that what can be right for one person, is not necessarily right for someone else. dee On 31 Jan 2010, at 13:44, John E. Stevens wrote: Dee: i don't know where you read some of this stuff. Vitamin C is a cancer preventative as prooven by Linus Pauling long ago. At his terminal cancer clinic back in the '60's, he was using IV Vitamin C to treat terminal cancer patients and they were living five times longer and much more comfortably (in their body)than cobalt, radiation, chemo, and other cancer treatments that were being used at the time. Even Dr. Julian Whitaker recommends IV Vitamin C to treat cancer. And as far as supplement use goes, I've been taking many supplements for over 35 years and I know they have helped me and others immensely! I controlled my 95 year old Aunt's Atrial Fibrilation with 200 mg of CoQ10 and/or Ubiquinol. I think you're getting unneededly paranoid about supplement usage - or you've used a wrong source of supplements. I used a host of supplements with some other protocols to help a man who was going to have his cancer loaded kidney surgically removed in four weeks. At the end of the four period and the protocols, which included 10 grams of vitamin C daily, the oncologists had to cancel his surgery. They couldn't find any cancer in their scans and X-rays. John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSBiophotonic score
This is awesome news...where do you get scanned at in your area, how do you find one? Thanks Debbie
Re: CSVanadium for Diabetes?
Since soil samples are not the same even taken a few feet apart and minerals enter the soil not by organic loam but by mineral soil [stone] breakdown, the whole idea of soil depletion of minerals is suspect. Any given food item will have a variation even in the same field, especially if trace elements are somewhat rare...like Selenium and Vanadium. Modern farming, as bad as it may be in some aspects, pays a great deal of attention to supplementing minerals in soils. Variety of source location and food types can only help and general nutrition is far better than it was 100 years ago. But then, so are the food choices made more choosable, so more choices of less variety are made possible. Back in the old days, you HAD to eat EVERYTHING, [like it or not] just to get enough to eat. But everything was so local, that local limitations applied and there were a LOT of mineral and vitamin deficiencies. Not that many people lived long enough for a slow disease like Diabetes to make big problems and sugar was a rarity that few could afford to choose. Ode tAt 11:25 PM 1/30/2010 -0700, you wrote: I do! I use it every day, and at age 57, way too close to 300 lbs. (sigh...), and loving sugary goodies, my fasting blood glucose level is normal. I take 10 micrograms in my daily multivitamins that I get from Walmart. I read somewhere that the body uses Vanadium to create insulin, and since it is no longer in the depleted farm soils, it is no longer in the foods. Ergo, diabetes! FYI, my late mom was mildly diabetic, and my elderly elder sister (68) takes 4 shots of insulin a day for her diabetes! Marshalee On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 9:25 PM, SJY mailto:you...@relia.netyou...@relia.net wrote: (This is off topic). I got some junk mail from Dr. Julian Whitaker regarding Diabetes. It is the usual glitzy pitch, full of astonishing speed cures, 3-Week Miracle treatment claims,, etc., to lure people to subscribe to his newsletter. But amidst all the hype and hoopla he states I'll give you full details about the world's most lifesaving blood sugar supplement. Vanadium! My colleagues and I have used it with stunning success for thousands of patients. And in animal studies, this supplement has eliminated type 2 diabetes, all by itself. Etc. Anyone know if Vanadium supplements can really help diabetics control their blood sugar levels, and/or provide other beneficial results? Thanks, Steve Y. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSupplements
I don't doubt it. I don't intend to get into a confrontation with *you* either about it. There are many admirable people out there trying to get the message across and Mercola is one of them. dee On 31 Jan 2010, at 13:48, John E. Stevens wrote: Dee: Believe what you will. Dr. Weill believes Soy is a good product - and it may be for women, not men. And certainly not in formula for babies. They'd starve on it! There were MANY doctors and other sources outside of Mercola who warned people of Vioxx - and before Mercola. Douglass was far ahead of Mercola on that one - as he is with much. John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDepression/Anxiety
lol - oh dear is right! On Jan 30, 2010, at 4:37 PM, Rowena wrote: A man in France went to the Dr because of depression, and the Dr. recommended he go to see Coco the clown, and have a good laugh, which would make him feel much better. The man still looked miserable. I AM Coco the clown, he said. Oh dear. Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSupplements
John You might check out the way females use testosterone. They need it as well as estrogen and to much estrogen can upset their balance causing a number of maladies. Dave On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 5:48 AM, John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com wrote: Dee: Believe what you will. Dr. Weill believes Soy is a good product - and it may be for women, not men. And certainly not in formula for babies. They'd starve on it! There were MANY doctors and other sources outside of Mercola who warned people of Vioxx - and before Mercola. Douglass was far ahead of Mercola on that one - as he is with much. John On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: I trust Mercola as well as anyone else, because he has 'put his money where his mouth is' so to speak. He ran his site for a long time without any funding except his own, and he will tell you himself that the main reason for selling stuff is to fund both the site, and the law-suits that he is constantly finding himself in with big pharma and the establishment. He was the first to speak out about Vioxx and get it banned and he has been a constant thorn in the side of big pharma and their cohorts over the years. He alerted people to the dangers of vaccines etc., and they tried to close him down many times and have used many dirty tricks against him, as they do anyone who is a danger to their income. I don't blame people for trying to earn a living selling things, as long as their integrity is sound, and I believe his is. Plus, his products are really good too, and guaranteed. dee On 31 Jan 2010, at 09:37, John E. Stevens wrote: As with all e-mail and hard copy newsletters from all sources (Mercola, Whitaker, Wright, Douglass, Williams, Weill - ended his..., Rowan, West, etc.), read them carefully, but it's safer to hold them in your craw with a question mark and cross reference everything. Mercola like many others is selling stuff and when they're selling stuff I'm even more careful about trusting a one-source read. Don't get me wrong, Mercola has put out some good information. The Health Ranger, Mike Adams, at Natural News isn't selling anything and has an excellent e-newsletter. He also has a Biophotonic score of 80 - the highest I'm aware of. My Biophotonic score is only 66 - - and Mike puts out a lot of great health info. It's just that I like to see at least two (and usually more) sources saying the same thing - and then some proof. There are few supplement makers and many names get them from the same source. I've been taking multi-vitamins for about as long as Mercola has been alive and I've never been poisoned and I don't fear any toxic build-up. If you take a good source multi-vitamin - mineral, I don't think you're going to have any problems. John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDepression/Anxiety/ Ode-- this one's a keeper-priceless..
In a message dated 1/31/2010 10:08:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, odecoy...@windstream.net writes: Opinion: Depression is a negative feedback loop where lack of interest and lack of adequate reasons to do stuff leads to doing nothing...and doing nothing suppresses the brain chemistry that makes one interested in doing stuff. To get around that, learn to not need reasons to move, and once you get moving, reasons come back, especially if reasons are no longer needed. [ANY reason is an adequate reason...get MOVING and the sillier the better ] Depression is a disease of the ego, backed up by chemical imbalance in a feedback loop. [Attitude controls brain chemistry and ego controls attitude] A great deal of a womans ego comes from the power of her sexuality and if she no longer feels sexy, that power gone leaves a huge vacuum...and a vacuum attracts anxiety. Silly can fill it. Get unreasonable. You don't need a reason to be happy. Feed another loop. Laugh for no reason and the laughter itself is funny...BECAUSE it has no reason. You don't even have to mean it for it to become it's own silly meaning. Take that girl for a walk around the block and start skipping and giggling like an idiot...and encourage her do it too. You doing it shows that a reduction in sensibility threat is possible. Then bookmark that silly page for habitual referral. Depression makes no more sense than silly does...but silly feels a heck of a lot better. It kick starts the chemistry. The only good thing about anti depressive drugs is that they make you a bookmark on a page that says I don't HAVE to feel bad and *this* feel good is proof [Remember this feeling so you'll know it's possible.] But people start believing that the *book* is the source, not what the book SAYS. [The messenger being mis-taken as the message and turned into a religion that worships the messenger. ] Depression is insanity seeing itself as sane and giving it validation feedback. Since few believe that they control their own brain chemistry, telling them the truth is seen as a threat to their denied victim-hood and the defenses go up. Laughter for NO reason is a non threatening loop buster. [ Just as Sneaky as a denial. ] Silly is contagious as it slips an unreasonable non threat in behind reasons back. Reason can't make sense of that sort of nonsense and is thus defenseless. HRT can be expensive and dangerous, but 17B Oestragel [Estradiol], a bio Identical hormone derived from plant sterols applies topically, bypassing the liver and greatly reducing the risk of blood clots..that and a little topical Progesterone for balance, in as small a doses as is effective [like 1/32 the recommended doses] can be had for about $35 a year from online pharmacies smuggled in via the US Mail from New Zealand. Or, many herbs and foods contain those same sterols and favanoids...but the liver will destroy about 90% if taken orally and spew byproducts...so a tincture or essential oil in a moisturizing body cream may be the answer. Surrounded by menopausal women.. just a whispered Show me your tits has a positive effect. It's not that I need to see them, it's you thinking I want to...and, of course, I do, but that's not the point..and it doesn't matter if they pop out or not. A seed was planted and left-be to grow as IT wants to. Sneak up behind her and feel her up now and thenjust for fun...don't place any meaning on it. A little squeeze and walk away smiling. Honey, It's not that I want anything...I just can't help itI'm a GUY! Once she gets over the idea there's a demand she feels she can't supply, something to be defensive about, she'll start giggling like a school girl...that's so SILLY! and you can't giggle without unreasonably feeling better. It's like, you just can't play a sad song on a Banjo. That sound won't carry it anywhere. I ran a little experiment once: I was at a party and had a long very interesting conversation with a 70 year old woman. Just before parting company, I reached out and cupped a breast so no one could see. She stepped back in surprise and exclaimed, 'MY, you certainly are FRESH! I said, Yes, but you'll think about that all night and be smiling in the morninghow some whipper snapper actually wanted to touch, but made no show or demands It's called Pure Appreciation without consequence. We caressed minds for hours, but that's not all there is...and it doesn't mean anything. She considered that briefly, softened and went away very pleased with herself. [And probably stayed that way for weeks..maybe even years. ] Bookmark So now, over the years, a line up comes around now and then for a little playful appreciation...50ish+ women bringing their friends to talk. Ode [Totally Harmless Pre-vert ]
Re: CSDepression/Anxiety
You're quite the psychologist aren't you Ode? Naughty with it too! dee On 31 Jan 2010, at 14:08, Ode Coyote wrote: Opinion: Depression is a negative feedback loop where lack of interest and lack of adequate reasons to do stuff leads to doing nothing...and doing nothing suppresses the brain chemistry that makes one interested in doing stuff. To get around that, learn to not need reasons to move, and once you get moving, reasons come back, especially if reasons are no longer needed. [ANY reason is an adequate reason...get MOVING and the sillier the better ] Depression is a disease of the ego, backed up by chemical imbalance in a feedback loop. [Attitude controls brain chemistry and ego controls attitude] A great deal of a womans ego comes from the power of her sexuality and if she no longer feels sexy, that power gone leaves a huge vacuum...and a vacuum attracts anxiety. Silly can fill it. Get unreasonable. You don't need a reason to be happy. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSabout niacin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotinamide Nicotinamide has demonstrated the ability to block the inflammatory actions of iodides known to precipitate or exacerbate inflammatory acne. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, thank you Steve:) Now I need to pin down the Inositol form. It is specifically recommended at 500 mg a day with the Iodine Protocol. And I really need to know what it does and the reason for taking it specifically before I do that. It's supposed to work with the Iodine in some way, and there are other nutrients too, but no one so far can tell me why that specific form of the Niacin. I know Iodine detoxes heavy metals and the bromides like crazy because I can Herx badly if I take too much too fast. I know there are three types of what's being sold on the market as Niacin. There's the regular Niacin, Nicotinamide, and the Inositol Hex stuff. But there's also a time released Niacin now too. The reading I've done suggests that regular Niacin is the best for cholesterol lowering effects, and most of the studies done with the three types for cholesterol lowering effects seem to back that up so far. And yeah, if you take slow release Niacin up to 2500 mg would be needed. It seems that the flushing of regular Niacin is part of the mechanism that helps lower cholesterol. Personally I use 1500 mg of garlic, and lecithin two or three time per week. Guggul is good for lowering cholesterol too. Extremely high doses of Niacin, no matter what form it's in, can be toxic to the liver, although if you take liver protective herbs that may not be the case. I'd darned sure take milk thistle at least if I was consuming that much Niacin. Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh Norton, Steve wrote: Annie, Here are what I consider good reasons. They are for the no-flush version of B-3. Vitamin B3 acts on the tau protein. The Vitamin B3 study was performed on rats. UC Irvine is currently seeking volunteers for a human clinical trial. Here is a link to an abstract of the Vitamin B3 study: Nicotinamide Restores Cognition in Alzheimer's Disease ... The Journal of Neuroscience, November 5, 2008 http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/abstract/28/45/11500 Here is a link to the UC Irvine announcement on the study they performed: Vitamin B3 reduces Alzheimer's symptoms, lesions http://today.uci.edu/iframe.php?p=/news/release_detail_iframe.asp?key=18 49 Here are a couple of good articles on the UC Irvine study: High Doses of Vitamins Fight Alzheimer's Disease http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v04n25.shtml Alzheimer's Disease and a Possible Cure http://dickshealthdebate.blogspot.com/2009/05/alzheimers-disease-and-pos sible-cure.html High dose vitamin B3 has also been found beneficial in some cases of diabetes and schizophrenia: Another Anecdote of Schizophrenia http://www.doctoryourself.com/hoffer_anecdote.html - Steve -Original Message- From: Annie B Smythe [mailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:36 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSabout niacin Yeaho Steve, that's one of the first articles I read, and I continued digging. No one seems to be able to pin down exactly what the Inositol type is good for. So why is it marketed as Niacin? And why would that specific one be recommended over another form. That's what Im trying to find out. There must be a reason for it. But I can't find anything to give me a clear reason to use it instead of regular ol' Niacin. Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVanadium for Diabetes?
Since horses eat plant material I bet it would be safe for them to try--you d have to ask someone more knowledgeable about horses. But for cats--they are strict meat eaters and do not have the enzymes that can handle plant material. Dogs can do good with herbs though--so I believe this would be species specific. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- This is interesting. I wonder if it's also true for animals -- specifically horses? Anyone know? MA
Re: CSMold in duct work--was Anecdotal Evidence and CS
Lol--I'd better check my stuff before I send it out, huh? Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- Ooh, Renee, you gave me a bit of a turn there - I thought for a moment the poor woman was having things poked up her tear ducts to clean them up.
Re: CSDepression/Anxiety
Right Ode! A little harmless flirting would be good for an over 50's woman (or any age.) With the ravages of time and gravity on the body, lots of women feel unattractive. Exercise helps with feeling good, but doesn't do much for looks (I'm talking mild exercise like the average person might do). No chance of looking like the under 40 women that men love to look at. At the YMCA pool, one of the members is an almost 90 year old former state senator and ex-bomber pilot. He's so full of charm that he still gets the women gigglingwith comments like Your hair looks extra pretty today, or You have pretty teeth, or You have pretty skin. It might seem hokey and fresh from a younger guy, but coming from him it just gives a little boost. Pat - Original Message From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, January 31, 2010 10:47:24 AM Subject: Re: CSDepression/Anxiety You're quite the psychologist aren't you Ode? Naughty with it too! dee On 31 Jan 2010, at 14:08, Ode Coyote wrote: Opinion: Depression is a negative feedback loop where lack of interest and lack of adequate reasons to do stuff leads to doing nothing...and doing nothing suppresses the brain chemistry that makes one interested in doing stuff. To get around that, learn to not need reasons to move, and once you get moving, reasons come back, especially if reasons are no longer needed. [ANY reason is an adequate reason...get MOVING and the sillier the better ] Depression is a disease of the ego, backed up by chemical imbalance in a feedback loop. [Attitude controls brain chemistry and ego controls attitude] A great deal of a womans ego comes from the power of her sexuality and if she no longer feels sexy, that power gone leaves a huge vacuum...and a vacuum attracts anxiety. Silly can fill it. Get unreasonable. You don't need a reason to be happy. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSupplements
If Vitamin C is a cancer preventative as Pauling stated and used for umpteen years and creates more oxygen in the body by it's giving off H202, I don't see how it can encourage cancer... John On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: I'm not disputing the efficacy of Vit C in the *treatment* of cancer John, or anything else for that matter. But I read on the Vit C site which was posted on this list, that low dose Vit C can encourage, if not cause cancer, because of its very anti-oxidant action. Cancer can only survive if deprived of oxygen and this is its MO. As far as my supplement usage goes, I only use those which have been recommended or researched. Also, I do not question the usage of supplements at all especially instead of things like chemo etc., I would always choose that route myself. As I say, I have always used supplements myself, but in the light of a few things recently , it has made me question this. I believe it is right to question *all* things, not only the big pharma and the medical system. You also have to remember, that what can be right for one person, is not necessarily right for someone else. dee On 31 Jan 2010, at 13:44, John E. Stevens wrote: Dee: i don't know where you read some of this stuff. Vitamin C is a cancer preventative as prooven by Linus Pauling long ago. At his terminal cancer clinic back in the '60's, he was using IV Vitamin C to treat terminal cancer patients and they were living five times longer and much more comfortably (in their body)than cobalt, radiation, chemo, and other cancer treatments that were being used at the time. Even Dr. Julian Whitaker recommends IV Vitamin C to treat cancer. And as far as supplement use goes, I've been taking many supplements for over 35 years and I know they have helped me and others immensely! I controlled my 95 year old Aunt's Atrial Fibrilation with 200 mg of CoQ10 and/or Ubiquinol. I think you're getting unneededly paranoid about supplement usage - or you've used a wrong source of supplements. I used a host of supplements with some other protocols to help a man who was going to have his cancer loaded kidney surgically removed in four weeks. At the end of the four period and the protocols, which included 10 grams of vitamin C daily, the oncologists had to cancel his surgery. They couldn't find any cancer in their scans and X-rays. John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSupplements
Dave: If estrogen is a problem I'd definitely stay away from Soy products. And plastics also give off estrogen. Best watch those, too. John On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: John You might check out the way females use testosterone. They need it as well as estrogen and to much estrogen can upset their balance causing a number of maladies. Dave On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 5:48 AM, John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com wrote: Dee: Believe what you will. Dr. Weill believes Soy is a good product - and it may be for women, not men. And certainly not in formula for babies. They'd starve on it! There were MANY doctors and other sources outside of Mercola who warned people of Vioxx - and before Mercola. Douglass was far ahead of Mercola on that one - as he is with much. John On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: I trust Mercola as well as anyone else, because he has 'put his money where his mouth is' so to speak. He ran his site for a long time without any funding except his own, and he will tell you himself that the main reason for selling stuff is to fund both the site, and the law-suits that he is constantly finding himself in with big pharma and the establishment. He was the first to speak out about Vioxx and get it banned and he has been a constant thorn in the side of big pharma and their cohorts over the years. He alerted people to the dangers of vaccines etc., and they tried to close him down many times and have used many dirty tricks against him, as they do anyone who is a danger to their income. I don't blame people for trying to earn a living selling things, as long as their integrity is sound, and I believe his is. Plus, his products are really good too, and guaranteed. dee On 31 Jan 2010, at 09:37, John E. Stevens wrote: As with all e-mail and hard copy newsletters from all sources (Mercola, Whitaker, Wright, Douglass, Williams, Weill - ended his..., Rowan, West, etc.), read them carefully, but it's safer to hold them in your craw with a question mark and cross reference everything. Mercola like many others is selling stuff and when they're selling stuff I'm even more careful about trusting a one-source read. Don't get me wrong, Mercola has put out some good information. The Health Ranger, Mike Adams, at Natural News isn't selling anything and has an excellent e-newsletter. He also has a Biophotonic score of 80 - the highest I'm aware of. My Biophotonic score is only 66 - - and Mike puts out a lot of great health info. It's just that I like to see at least two (and usually more) sources saying the same thing - and then some proof. There are few supplement makers and many names get them from the same source. I've been taking multi-vitamins for about as long as Mercola has been alive and I've never been poisoned and I don't fear any toxic build-up. If you take a good source multi-vitamin - mineral, I don't think you're going to have any problems. John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSDepression/Anxiety
You've gotten some very good responses! All of them are valid for different people. I tend to go to the heart of the matter. I've done research for over a year and a half on thyroid/adrenal problems. I feel that addressing hormonal imbalances is the fastest/easiest way to treat depression - it's not the ONLY way. From my research, depression is caused by lack of T3 getting to the brain. (T3 is a thyroid hormone.) This can be from a lot of different reasons, which is why any and all of the suggestions you've gotten will work. The problem with most of them is, it can take a long time, depending on how long the depression has gone on. I am a natural remedy kind of girl, but I would still be sitting on my couch after a year of natural treatmtents! Within a few weeks of hormone balancing I was a new woman! The all day long depression and anxiety/panic attacks went out the door! (Except your usual situational type stuff.) I agree with Annie. I would get her thyroid checked for sure, and adrenals too. Free T3, Reverse T3, T4 and TSH and an AM and PM cortisol. The Stop the Thyroid Madness site is fantastic by the way! Lot's of good info. Also Dr. Lam's site: http://www.drlam.com/articles/adrenal_fatigue.asp. And Dr. Holtorf's site: http://www.holtorfmed.com/topics/thyroid. I could list several more sites to visit, but I think that will get you started. It's not her attitude or her lack of willpower. it's a chemical imbalance - could be thyroid, adrenal, progesterone, estrogen. any number of things can be off balance, causing everything else to become off balance - especially during menopause. Gina _ From: LOU ROSELLI [mailto:lrose...@hvc.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 4:44 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSDepression/Anxiety I need some direction. My wife is 46 years old suffering from depression, anxiety and menopause. She has been seeing counselors and she was recommended to again take an depressants. She has tried Wellbutryn once for a month which gave her bad side effects like headaches and anxious and the latest Lexapro which also she can not stand the side effects. They are making her feel even worse, then better. Lexapro has been making her feel nauseas and dizzy which are some of the side effects is what I read. I finally got her to think about the natural route and I am trying to see if anyone out there can give me some solid holistic direction of what see can take to help her feel better to alleviate the depression anxiety and the usual hot flashes and everything else that comes with menopause, without these side effects..Can anyone direct me. Thanks Lou from NY
Re: CSSupplements
I trust Dr. Mercola. I know you have to sensationalize headlines to get people to read and you have to make money to support your cause (educating the public about health). Life Extension Foundation (lef.org) seems as pushy as any drug company, but they have to bring in the money for research or they'd be unable to bring us the information we need. It's just hard sometimes to know who to trust with everyone trying to talk us out of our money. I used to enjoy reading Natural News, but lately I'm irritated by a lot of it. Mike Adams is so self-righteous that he has no patience for those who are just beginning to learn alternative ways or are struggling with changing their diets. To me he sometimes comes off as judgmental and intolerant and he lacks understanding for people who aren't young and energetic as he is. Pat
Re: CSSupplements
Pat: Mercola's good and I read him like I read 20 - 30 other health newsletters - with questions in mind. Always questions. I like to compare and I think cross-referencing is a necessity. Mike Adams may not have the patience of some, but he is excellent and there is a lot of good info, there. Maybe I enjoy his findings because I've been at this for 35 years. I've been a member of Life Extension for years, too, but their celebrity push (Sanjay Gupta and Suzanne Sommers, etc.,) turns me off. Gupta thinks chlorine washes for veggies and fruit is just fine. I seriously debate that knowing that chlorine causes cancer - and many other problems, too. I'm glad Sommers published her book on cancer and the good and bad, but it's too bad she didn't recognize the problem before she got cancer. Prevenhtion is the key. Balancing the body is the key. John On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote: I trust Dr. Mercola. I know you have to sensationalize headlines to get people to read and you have to make money to support your cause (educating the public about health). Life Extension Foundation (lef.org) seems as pushy as any drug company, but they have to bring in the money for research or they'd be unable to bring us the information we need. It's just hard sometimes to know who to trust with everyone trying to talk us out of our money. I used to enjoy reading Natural News, but lately I'm irritated by a lot of it. Mike Adams is so self-righteous that he has no patience for those who are just beginning to learn alternative ways or are struggling with changing their diets. To me he sometimes comes off as judgmental and intolerant and he lacks understanding for people who aren't young and energetic as he is. Pat
Re: CSBiophotonic score
Debbie: I get scanned at a Health and Wellness Office where I work part-time as an advisor and consultant. The Biophotonic score tells you how well your antioxidants are working in your body. Anything over 50,000 puts you in a place where you can't get any chronic diseases. But most folks register in the 25,000 range. Sad. NuLife makes the machines in Utah. You'd have to find a NuLife dealer in your area. They make nano-particle supplements of the highest quality. I'd ask the folks in your health food store where there might be a person who scans. They're very expensive machines and are usually used by one NuLifer and then sent to the next on a schedule. They're rented. Dr. James Balch, author of Prescription For Nutritional Healing is a big believer in the Biophotonic scanner. John On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.comwrote: This is awesome news...where do you get scanned at in your area, how do you find one? Thanks Debbie
Re: CSWHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria!
Ode, Certainly it is possible that silver fulminate could be formed. But how much? The study shows that over 170 mg of silver had accumulated in the body. Given the instability of silver fulminate as a precipate I would hope it was in solution if it existed. It may also be possible that some silver chloride is converted to other silver compounds such as silver citrate in the blood. But it is not clear what you mean by the statement If MOST of it does, that sorta confirms the theory. If you are saying that if the silver is removed by the kidney it must be silver fulminate, I have to disagree. I once speculated that silver chloride in solutuon might be removed by the kidney because chloride is removed by the kidney (sodium chloride, potassium chloride). I have never been comfortable with that proposition. Studies have shown that other silver salts are removed in the liver by the attachment of glutathione to the molecule. Who is to say which process is to take precidence? The same issue exists with silver fulminate. My tendency is to think the liver removal process take precidence when silver is in solution. If you look at the Altman study, the kidney is still removing silver at max capacity after excretion through the liver has dropped to a low level. To me that says that something is replenishing the silver in solution which the liver removes and not the kidney. My guess is that silver in some form of precipate is going back into solution as the liver removes silver from the body. Also, small particles are without question filtered out by the kidney. But back to the issue of removal by the kidney confirming the presence of silver fulminate, I think it does no such thing. Silver chloride will be as likely removed by the kidney. Regards, Steve N - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun Jan 31 08:39:39 2010 Subject: Re: CSWHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria! The other part of the theory is that fulminating silver [ a very unstable compound...explosive even ] made by silver chlorides encounter with ammonia plates silver out onto small silver particles in the blood stream that make up a portion of EIS ...making them slightly bigger. Also note that Ammonia is eliminated in the urine, so any silver chloride that HAD been converted and DIDN'T plate onto colloidal particles, would come out that end with the ammonia. If MOST of it does, that sorta confirms the theory. Ode
Re: CSSupplements
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote: I used to enjoy reading Natural News, but lately I'm irritated by a lot of it. Mike Adams is so self-righteous that he has no patience for those who are just beginning to learn alternative ways or are struggling with changing their diets. To me he sometimes comes off as judgmental and intolerant and he lacks understanding for people who aren't young and energetic as he is. Funnily enough I used to feel just like you but lately I'v been enjoying Mike Adams site more and more. Cheers Kirsteen
Re: CSSupplements
I think this is only true of the higher doses though. dee On 31 Jan 2010, at 18:02, John E. Stevens wrote: If Vitamin C is a cancer preventative as Pauling stated and used for umpteen years and creates more oxygen in the body by it's giving off H202, I don't see how it can encourage cancer... John On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:03 AM, D -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria!
BIG OOPS. In the response below, . If you look at the Altman study, the kidney is still removing silver at max capacity after excretion through the liver has dropped to a low level should have read From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:50:56 2010 Subject: Re: CSWHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria! Ode, Certainly it is possible that silver fulminate could be formed. But how much? The study shows that over 170 mg of silver had accumulated in the body. Given the instability of silver fulminate as a precipate I would hope it was in solution if it existed. It may also be possible that some silver chloride is converted to other silver compounds such as silver citrate in the blood. But it is not clear what you mean by the statement If MOST of it does, that sorta confirms the theory. If you are saying that if the silver is removed by the kidney it must be silver fulminate, I have to disagree. I once speculated that silver chloride in solutuon might be removed by the kidney because chloride is removed by the kidney (sodium chloride, potassium chloride). I have never been comfortable with that proposition. Studies have shown that other silver salts are removed in the liver by the attachment of glutathione to the molecule. Who is to say which process is to take precidence? The same issue exists with silver fulminate. My tendency is to think the liver removal process take precidence when silver is in solution. If you look at the Altman study, the kidney is still removing silver at max capacity after excretion through the liver has dropped to a low level. To me that says that something is replenishing the silver in solution which the liver removes and not the kidney. My guess is that silver in some form of precipate is going back into solution as the liver removes silver from the body. Also, small particles are without question filtered out by the kidney. But back to the issue of removal by the kidney confirming the presence of silver fulminate, I think it does no such thing. Silver chloride will be as likely removed by the kidney. Regards, Steve N - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun Jan 31 08:39:39 2010 Subject: Re: CSWHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria! The other part of the theory is that fulminating silver [ a very unstable compound...explosive even ] made by silver chlorides encounter with ammonia plates silver out onto small silver particles in the blood stream that make up a portion of EIS ...making them slightly bigger. Also note that Ammonia is eliminated in the urine, so any silver chloride that HAD been converted and DIDN'T plate onto colloidal particles, would come out that end with the ammonia. If MOST of it does, that sorta confirms the theory. Ode
Re: CSWHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria!
Hit the wrong key last time. BIG OOPS. In the response below, If you look at the Altman study, the kidney is still removing silver at max capacity after excretion through the liver has dropped to a low level should have read If you look at the Altman study, the LIVER is still removing silver at max capacity after excretion through the KIDNEY has dropped to a low level. - Steve N From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:50:56 2010 Subject: Re: CSWHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria! Ode, Certainly it is possible that silver fulminate could be formed. But how much? The study shows that over 170 mg of silver had accumulated in the body. Given the instability of silver fulminate as a precipate I would hope it was in solution if it existed. It may also be possible that some silver chloride is converted to other silver compounds such as silver citrate in the blood. But it is not clear what you mean by the statement If MOST of it does, that sorta confirms the theory. If you are saying that if the silver is removed by the kidney it must be silver fulminate, I have to disagree. I once speculated that silver chloride in solutuon might be removed by the kidney because chloride is removed by the kidney (sodium chloride, potassium chloride). I have never been comfortable with that proposition. Studies have shown that other silver salts are removed in the liver by the attachment of glutathione to the molecule. Who is to say which process is to take precidence? The same issue exists with silver fulminate. My tendency is to think the liver removal process take precidence when silver is in solution. If you look at the Altman study, the kidney is still removing silver at max capacity after excretion through the liver has dropped to a low level. To me that says that something is replenishing the silver in solution which the liver removes and not the kidney. My guess is that silver in some form of precipate is going back into solution as the liver removes silver from the body. Also, small particles are without question filtered out by the kidney. But back to the issue of removal by the kidney confirming the presence of silver fulminate, I think it does no such thing. Silver chloride will be as likely removed by the kidney. Regards, Steve N - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun Jan 31 08:39:39 2010 Subject: Re: CSWHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria! The other part of the theory is that fulminating silver [ a very unstable compound...explosive even ] made by silver chlorides encounter with ammonia plates silver out onto small silver particles in the blood stream that make up a portion of EIS ...making them slightly bigger. Also note that Ammonia is eliminated in the urine, so any silver chloride that HAD been converted and DIDN'T plate onto colloidal particles, would come out that end with the ammonia. If MOST of it does, that sorta confirms the theory. Ode
Re: CSBiophotonic score
thanks John... From: John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, January 31, 2010 1:45:39 PM Subject: Re: CSBiophotonic score Debbie: I get scanned at a Health and Wellness Office where I work part-time as an advisor and consultant. The Biophotonic score tells you how well your antioxidants are working in your body. Anything over 50,000 puts you in a place where you can't get any chronic diseases. But most folks register in the 25,000 range. Sad. NuLife makes the machines in Utah. You'd have to find a NuLife dealer in your area. They make nano-particle supplements of the highest quality. I'd ask the folks in your health food store where there might be a person who scans. They're very expensive machines and are usually used by one NuLifer and then sent to the next on a schedule. They're rented. Dr. James Balch, author of Prescription For Nutritional Healing is a big believer in the Biophotonic scanner. John On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.com wrote: This is awesome news...where do you get scanned at in your area, how do you find one? Thanks Debbie
Re: CSSupplements
It's good to realize that periodically there is a rash of poorly designed studies trying to claim that supplements are either ineffective or even dangerous. Usually the dosage used is so minor that they claim no effect. My own supplement list varies with my experience and education. Right now I'm excited about Lipo C via Brooks' method. Amazingly I recently took a dose of 36 grams of C without gastric adventure. C was my first mega supplement when I read Linus Paulings book back in the seventies. I won't have it badmouthed! Chuck just joined the civil hair patrol!! On 1/31/2010 1:02:18 PM, John E. Stevens (jonellis.steven...@gmail.com) wrote: If Vitamin C is a cancer preventative as Pauling stated and used for umpteen years and creates more oxygen in the body by it's giving off H202, I don't see how it can encourage cancer... John On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org [link: mailto:d...@deetroy.org] wrote: I'm not disputing the efficacy of Vit C in the *treatment* of cancer John, or anything else for that matter. But I read on the Vit C site which was posted on this list, that low dose Vit C can encourage, if not cause cancer, because of its very anti-oxidant action. Cancer can only survive if deprived of oxygen and this is its MO. As far as my supplement usage goes, I only use those which have been recommended or researched. Also, I do not question the usage of supplements at all especially instead of things like chemo etc., I would always choose that route myself. As I say, I have always used supplements myself, but in the light of a few things recently , it has made me question this. I believe it is right to question *all* things, not only the big pharma and the medical system. You also have to remember, that what can be right for one person, is not necessarily right for someone else. dee On 31 Jan 2010, at 13:44, John E. Stevens wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHair Growth?
Speaking of hairis there one single person on this list who has grown hair in by using CS on the scalp? I know Robert Becker was said to have done so, but I don't understand why more guys don't try it. It would be a fantastic experiment. Pat __ just joined the civil hair patrol!! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSupplements
At 02:25 PM 1/31/2010, you wrote: Right now I'm excited about Lipo C via Brooks' method. Amazingly I recently took a dose of 36 grams of C without gastric adventure. Ah, Chuck! ROTFL, I am always looking for euphemisms for increased GI transit time and I am stealing gastric adventure. thanks, sol
Re: CSHair Growth?
If I thought there was a chance, I'd be sure to try it. I'd love to have a full head of hair again. Since CS is mostly just killing germs and viruses, I'm not sure I wonder how exactly it is supposed to help. Any ideas? Steve G. --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com Subject: CSHair Growth? To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 4:45 PM Speaking of hairis there one single person on this list who has grown hair in by using CS on the scalp? I know Robert Becker was said to have done so, but I don't understand why more guys don't try it. It would be a fantastic experiment. Pat __ just joined the civil hair patrol!! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHair Growth?
Pat: Bob Becker was electrocuted and lived through it. He attributed his new red hair growth and his full head of hair (when he was bald previously) to being electrocuted as far I recall. My hair was all gray when I turned 30. It's now all blond again, the color blond when I was about ten years old. I attribute that to HGH activator which I've been using for about five years - 2 - 3 times a week. It's full, no bald spots, and thicker for a guy who has thin hair. I also use Alta silica which I know is good for hair, nails and bones. Not too shabby for a 68 yr old dude, huh? John On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote: Speaking of hairis there one single person on this list who has grown hair in by using CS on the scalp? I know Robert Becker was said to have done so, but I don't understand why more guys don't try it. It would be a fantastic experiment. Pat __ just joined the civil hair patrol!! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHair Growth?
The HGH precursors are so expensive or I'd be tempted to use them. Several people on the BoneSmart forum have noticed increased hair growth on their knee when it's warm and healing from a joint replacement. I kept noticing hair growth on my knee and wondered how on earth I kept missing shaving it. I figured it was because it was numb. Turns out it was just growing super fast. If someone could find a way for men (and some women) to grow hair, they might be rich! Baldness on a woman is a rough thing to deal with (I know a couple whose hair is getting very thin.) I do like bald heads on some guys, though. Pat
RE: CSHair Growth?
Hi John, I'd love to hear about what/which HGH activator (and where to buy).and even where to buy the alta silica. I'm a 44 yr old female which has lost a patch of hair on the forefront of my scalp (due to what I believe is thyroid issues...and possibly even an attempt of hcg weight loss - which ultimately failed). I'd absolutely be thrilled to get my hair back.and the color would be a bonus, although I don't have too much gray! Lisa _ From: John E. Stevens [mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:52 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHair Growth? Pat: Bob Becker was electrocuted and lived through it. He attributed his new red hair growth and his full head of hair (when he was bald previously) to being electrocuted as far I recall. My hair was all gray when I turned 30. It's now all blond again, the color blond when I was about ten years old. I attribute that to HGH activator which I've been using for about five years - 2 - 3 times a week. It's full, no bald spots, and thicker for a guy who has thin hair. I also use Alta silica which I know is good for hair, nails and bones. Not too shabby for a 68 yr old dude, huh? John On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote: Speaking of hairis there one single person on this list who has grown hair in by using CS on the scalp? I know Robert Becker was said to have done so, but I don't understand why more guys don't try it. It would be a fantastic experiment. Pat __ just joined the civil hair patrol!! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSAnxiety/Depression Thread....Comment
Although using the EFT methodology has, already, been suggested by other list members..I have an ancillary recommendation. The lady physician giving this video presentation at the 2000 Tapping World Summit relates a simple modification to the parent program, which has, simply, worked near miraculous results for us--most especially in the more challenging cases. Her implementation of the CHOICES method GREATLY increases the positive effects..and does so in an IMMEDIATE fashion. I believe all list members utilizing any form of Emotional Freedom Technique will find this modification to be a quite powerful---and immediateimprovement over the original mantra used. This is not to say that the original declarative statements are invalid..but that that this protocol improvement is a major oneindeed. At least in my opinion. Sincerely,Brooks Bradley. http://www.tappingworldsummit.com/event/day2-uiygui/redroom.php -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHair Growth?
Prunes have been found to ingrease HGH. - Steve N From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun Jan 31 17:15:10 2010 Subject: Re: CSHair Growth? The HGH precursors are so expensive or I'd be tempted to use them. Several people on the BoneSmart forum have noticed increased hair growth on their knee when it's warm and healing from a joint replacement. I kept noticing hair growth on my knee and wondered how on earth I kept missing shaving it. I figured it was because it was numb. Turns out it was just growing super fast. If someone could find a way for men (and some women) to grow hair, they might be rich! Baldness on a woman is a rough thing to deal with (I know a couple whose hair is getting very thin.) I do like bald heads on some guys, though. Pat
Re: CSAnxiety/Depression Thread....Comment
Dear Brooks, The link seems to be invalid at this point... http://www.tappingworldsummit.com/event/day2-uiygui/redroom.php Going to tappingworldsummit.com only brings up a promotional page for the 2010 event. sigh Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS
Hello Mike, I just joined the Silver List. I am receiving email notifications when people post, but have been unable to locate the web site where the forum is. Do you happen to have any idea of where that web site is? Your mold problem is interesting. There may be some other ways to manage the mold spores. It is possible to disinfect laundry washers, and dryers. It is also possible to inactivate mold spores in a room. I would love to carry on a conversation on this, if I could ever figure out a way to find the site. Thanks. Tom Hi Tom, Thanks for the email, and welcome to the list. This may be your first experience on a mailing list. Unlike Flicker, there is no web site where the forum takes place. It is all discussions carried on by email. So you have found the forum, and you are already on it:) To post a message to the forum, send an email to the silverlist as described in the home page. This is at http://www.silverlist.org/ To reply to a post, make sure the address in the link on your email client points to the silverlist, and not to the indivdual you are responding to. As far as mold spores, it is very difficult to inactivate them. They have 940 million years of evolution, and we have only 4 million. So they have figured out how to survive and destroy their competition, and we are simply the collateral damage in their biological warfare. Disinfecting a dryer means removing all the lint from the nooks and crannies. This can take several days with the proper equipment. The silverlist is mainly concerned with making and using colloidal silver. Other topics, such as mineral supplements, have been tolerated up to a point. Mold is also slightly off-topic, but so far it has not been banned from the list. I expect it might if it becomes excessive. I'm sure there are other forums that focus on mold, but I am really not much interested in joining them. My main interest is learning how to make and use silver ions. I have developed some techniques that are important, and I describe some of them on my web site at http://www.pstca.com/silversol/index.htm These techniques are far in advance of anything that have been available up to now. Please study the types of communication on the list, and learn who the people are and what their areas of competence are before you start posting your own ideas. You may find some people have little tolerance for outsiders, and others are very supportive. I am one of the supportive ones for newcomers. Welcome to the list! I am copying this to the list so you can see how it works. Regards, Mike M. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHair Growth?
That's not the only thing they increase! Del - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:32 PM Subject: Re: CSHair Growth? Prunes have been found to ingrease HGH. - Steve N -- From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun Jan 31 17:15:10 2010 Subject: Re: CSHair Growth? The HGH precursors are so expensive or I'd be tempted to use them. Several people on the BoneSmart forum have noticed increased hair growth on their knee when it's warm and healing from a joint replacement. I kept noticing hair growth on my knee and wondered how on earth I kept missing shaving it. I figured it was because it was numb. Turns out it was just growing super fast. If someone could find a way for men (and some women) to grow hair, they might be rich! Baldness on a woman is a rough thing to deal with (I know a couple whose hair is getting very thin.) I do like bald heads on some guys, though. Pat --
Re: CSPinging Mike: Silverlist Archives
Greetings folks, I've been a bit swamped the last few days and have just caught up with all of you again. Mike Monett: Yes I got your message(s). Comments to follow: Dan writes: I'm not sure what Mike Devour has against archives... Nothing against the idea, Dan. Mike has it about right: It is dangerous to assume what is going on in someone else's mind, but I don't think Mike D. has anything against the archives. I know he was working on software to replace the eskimo archives, but this turns out to be quite difficult. I could write a simple program to strip the headers and the email addresses from a post, but I could not write the code to index the posts by date or by thread. That is beyond my capability. So perhaps Mike D. found the same problem and simply had to give up. There are many options. Each requires climbing a helluva learning curve, which I am finding to be a much greater challenge than when I was younger and healthier. I have not given up, but the progress I'm making is slow and not tangible to any of you, yet. Mike M. has mentioned mail-archive.com... In the meantime, probably nobody knew that a service like the mail archives was available. I'm pretty sure I looked at mail-archive.com at least briefly a year or two back, Mike. I've spent today giving it a very close look. I've subscribed to their user mailing list and asked a few questions. It's given me a chance to work with their system (solid) and evaluate the quality of support (responsive). There are only a couple of concerns I have that might be serious enough to stop me from setting us up with them, at least as an interim solution. I'll get the rest of my questions answered and stew on it for a couple more days. I may need advice from the group. I've also considered using Mhonarc, which is the archiving package used by mail-archive, along with one of several search packages that are out there to set up our own archives, which could then be customized fully to our requirements... but it gets real hairy real fast, technically. Another option is to use any of the popular forum software packages as a pretty web archive front-end. Things get hairy again on two fronts: getting the posts into the database, all threaded and cleaned up; and enabling full bi-directional messaging for both forum and e-mail subscribers. The first task is probably the easier of the two. The intermediate step of enabling new list messages to post to the forum, acting strictly as an archive, is really just a special case of this. The second task, full forum/email integration, is needed if we want to enable the forum interface without losing a lot of our members who need or prefer to use e-mail. I've been keeping tabs on a couple of different projects trying to get this implemented, but it's a niche application without enough demand to draw the programming talent needed, so progress is uneven. There is also an entirely different approach, using a content management framework such as Drupal. Again there's a learning curve, but there's also a lot of support available and quite a bit of energy in that project. Many of the modules needed to do what we need already seem to exist, if I can put them together. I'm continuing to peck away at tutorials. I want archives, at minimum. I'd be a lot happier if I could replace this entire archaic mailing list setup with something that would get us securely on the web, enable web participation while preserving e-mail services for the group, *and* allow me to recruit others to help with the day-to-day chores of running the place. A complete revamp would bring us fully into the 21st century, serve the needs of more people and do it better, and guard us against a number of potential failure modes, at least one of which is me. If I can get us into a workable archive in the meantime, I will. I'm open to discussion, though it might be better for the main group if all of us who are interested migrate to the Off Topic List? It's already been very quiet over there lately, and I'd be willing to restrict the topic to this for a while if that will encourage participation. Let me know. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSabout niacin
Thank you Dan :) Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh Dan Nave wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotinamide Nicotinamide has demonstrated the ability to block the inflammatory actions of iodides known to precipitate or exacerbate inflammatory acne. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, thank you Steve:) Now I need to pin down the Inositol form. It is specifically recommended at 500 mg a day with the Iodine Protocol. And I really need to know what it does and the reason for taking it specifically before I do that. It's supposed to work with the Iodine in some way, and there are other nutrients too, but no one so far can tell me why that specific form of the Niacin. I know Iodine detoxes heavy metals and the bromides like crazy because I can Herx badly if I take too much too fast. I know there are three types of what's being sold on the market as Niacin. There's the regular Niacin, Nicotinamide, and the Inositol Hex stuff. But there's also a time released Niacin now too. The reading I've done suggests that regular Niacin is the best for cholesterol lowering effects, and most of the studies done with the three types for cholesterol lowering effects seem to back that up so far. And yeah, if you take slow release Niacin up to 2500 mg would be needed. It seems that the flushing of regular Niacin is part of the mechanism that helps lower cholesterol. Personally I use 1500 mg of garlic, and lecithin two or three time per week. Guggul is good for lowering cholesterol too. Extremely high doses of Niacin, no matter what form it's in, can be toxic to the liver, although if you take liver protective herbs that may not be the case. I'd darned sure take milk thistle at least if I was consuming that much Niacin. Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh Norton, Steve wrote: Annie, Here are what I consider good reasons. They are for the no-flush version of B-3. Vitamin B3 acts on the tau protein. The Vitamin B3 study was performed on rats. UC Irvine is currently seeking volunteers for a human clinical trial. Here is a link to an abstract of the Vitamin B3 study: Nicotinamide Restores Cognition in Alzheimer's Disease ... The Journal of Neuroscience, November 5, 2008 http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/abstract/28/45/11500 Here is a link to the UC Irvine announcement on the study they performed: Vitamin B3 reduces Alzheimer's symptoms, lesions http://today.uci.edu/iframe.php?p=/news/release_detail_iframe.asp?key=18 49 Here are a couple of good articles on the UC Irvine study: High Doses of Vitamins Fight Alzheimer's Disease http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v04n25.shtml Alzheimer's Disease and a Possible Cure http://dickshealthdebate.blogspot.com/2009/05/alzheimers-disease-and-pos sible-cure.html High dose vitamin B3 has also been found beneficial in some cases of diabetes and schizophrenia: Another Anecdote of Schizophrenia http://www.doctoryourself.com/hoffer_anecdote.html - Steve -Original Message- From: Annie B Smythe [mailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:36 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSabout niacin Yeaho Steve, that's one of the first articles I read, and I continued digging. No one seems to be able to pin down exactly what the Inositol type is good for. So why is it marketed as Niacin? And why would that specific one be recommended over another form. That's what Im trying to find out. There must be a reason for it. But I can't find anything to give me a clear reason to use it instead of regular ol' Niacin. Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSupplements
LOL Chuck:) The civil hair patrol? And you go! Woot I too change things as I go along and learn new things, or as discoveries are made. I change types, and dosages, and switch one thing for a more effective thing going by studies and research. Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: It's good to realize that periodically there is a rash of poorly designed studies trying to claim that supplements are either ineffective or even dangerous. Usually the dosage used is so minor that they claim no effect. My own supplement list varies with my experience and education. Right now I'm excited about Lipo C via Brooks' method. Amazingly I recently took a dose of 36 grams of C without gastric adventure. C was my first mega supplement when I read Linus Paulings book back in the seventies. I won't have it badmouthed! Chuck just joined the civil hair patrol!! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSupplements
Or maybe gastric misadventure? LMAO. Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh sol wrote: Ah, Chuck! ROTFL, I am always looking for euphemisms for increased GI transit time and I am stealing gastric adventure. thanks, sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHair Growth?
Ya have to block DHT and it can be done with supplements for some folks. Biotin is a good place to start;) DIM might help too it balances the hormones. Dagnabbit, I was just reading a page not long ago about supplements that actually do help block the way testosterone is turned into DHT. I'll have to look for it again. Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh Steve G wrote: If I thought there was a chance, I'd be sure to try it. I'd love to have a full head of hair again. Since CS is mostly just killing germs and viruses, I'm not sure I wonder how exactly it is supposed to help. Any ideas? Steve G. --- On *Sun, 1/31/10, Pat /pattycake29...@yahoo.com/* wrote: From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com Subject: CSHair Growth? To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 4:45 PM Speaking of hairis there one single person on this list who has grown hair in by using CS on the scalp? I know Robert Becker was said to have done so, but I don't understand why more guys don't try it. It would be a fantastic experiment. Pat __ just joined the civil hair patrol!! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com /mc/compose?to=silver-l...@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com /mc/compose?to=silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com /mc/compose?to=mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDepression/Anxiety
Could be liver qi stagnation with underlying essence deficiency, which is suggested by menopause. What's her thyroid like? Could also be some spleen qi deficiency. You could try xiao yao san for the liver qi stagnation. An acupuncturist who does herbs could make a formula and/or point prescription designed specifically for her energetic pattern diagnosis, but we'd have to see her in person. - Original Message - From: LOU ROSELLI To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 4:43 AM Subject: CSDepression/Anxiety I need some direction. My wife is 46 years old suffering from depression, anxiety and menopause. She has been seeing counselors and she was recommended to again take an depressants. She has tried Wellbutryn once for a month which gave her bad side effects like headaches and anxious and the latest Lexapro which also she can not stand the side effects. They are making her feel even worse, then better. Lexapro has been making her feel nauseas and dizzy which are some of the side effects is what I read. I finally got her to think about the natural route and I am trying to see if anyone out there can give me some solid holistic direction of what see can take to help her feel better to alleviate the depression anxiety and the usual hot flashes and everything else that comes with menopause, without these side effects..Can anyone direct me. Thanks Lou from NY
Re: CSDepression/Anxiety
generally, a good formula for hypothyroid would be bu zhong yi qi wan, but hypothyroid is a western diagnosis, so it's not a 1:1 comparison. Plus, every case is different, so if you want to modify your formula specifically for the individual, you should go get checked by an acupuncturist who also does herbs. - Original Message - From: Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:04 AM Subject: Re: CSDepression/Anxiety Lou hon, Get her thyroid checked before you go getting involved with all that:) The doctors try to pass hypothyroidism off as depression instead of checking the thyroid and prescribing thyroid medication. A lot of women at the time of menopause or during premenopause develop hypothyroidism. For more info got to: http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ and do the checklist for and compare her symptoms and find out what to do next. Hypothyroidism is a main cause of depression and is frequently not tested for or misdiagnosed, deliberately or through ignorance I'm not sure. Hypothyroidism and thyroid cancer is epidemic in the US due to fluoride, bromides, chlorine, and petrochlorates, and other toxin burdens in the body that effect the thyroid. Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh LOU ROSELLI wrote: I need some direction. My wife is 46 years old suffering from depression, anxiety and menopause. She has been seeing counselors and she was recommended to again take an depressants. She has tried Wellbutryn once for a month which gave her bad side effects like headaches and anxious and the latest Lexapro which also she can not stand the side effects. They are making her feel even worse, then better. Lexapro has been making her feel nauseas and dizzy which are some of the side effects is what I read. I finally got her to think about the natural route and I am trying to see if anyone out there can give me some solid holistic direction of what see can take to help her feel better to alleviate the depression anxiety and the usual hot flashes and everything else that comes with menopause, without these side effects..Can anyone direct me. Thanks Lou from NY -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHair Growth?
Really? Do you have a link for that Steve? That's amazing! And I'm one of the few people who like prunes:) I wonder if plums will do it too since prunes are just dried plums? Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh Norton, Steve wrote: Prunes have been found to ingrease HGH. - Steve N -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAnxiety/Depression Thread....Comment
That sounded like me Mike, LOL. Big sigh! Maybe it can be found somewhere else. You tube? Anyone looked yet? Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh M. G. Devour wrote: Dear Brooks, The link seems to be invalid at this point... http://www.tappingworldsummit.com/event/day2-uiygui/redroom.php Going to tappingworldsummit.com only brings up a promotional page for the 2010 event. sigh Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSTapping
Here's the search on YouTube, but I don't know who I'm looking for: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=2000+Tapping+World+Summitsearch_type=aq=f Annie -- Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMy earlier Post on Dr. Patricia Carrington's EFT Choices
Dear list members, My most sincere apologies..I just found out that the powers-that-be have removed ALL of the U=Tube videos for the 2009 EFT Conference. It is almost unbelievable--they were still there day-before-yesterday. Here is my fall-back position. While the information at this url is much more limited in scope and absent the dynamism of Dr. Carrington's personal excellent delivery..the information should be of positive effect for all those who read it. At risk of tedious redundancy, I repeat..we have achieved our very best results (especially among those cases of MAJOR anxiety challenges) through our implementation of Dr. Carrington's Choices protocol modification. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley http://www.emofree.com/Articles/choices.htm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHair Growth?
Tonify blood and foundational (liver, kidney yin) essence. - Original Message - From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:45 PM Subject: CSHair Growth? Speaking of hairis there one single person on this list who has grown hair in by using CS on the scalp? I know Robert Becker was said to have done so, but I don't understand why more guys don't try it. It would be a fantastic experiment. Pat __ just joined the civil hair patrol!! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAnxiety/Depression Thread....Comment
GHB, or gamma hydroxy butylene is used in europe to successfully treat depression, but is illegal in the US as a date rape drug. Do not take it illegally though, as it is against the law. - Original Message - From: Brooks Bradley bradlebro...@gmail.com To: Silver-List@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 3:20 PM Subject: CSAnxiety/Depression ThreadComment Although using the EFT methodology has, already, been suggested by other list members..I have an ancillary recommendation. The lady physician giving this video presentation at the 2000 Tapping World Summit relates a simple modification to the parent program, which has, simply, worked near miraculous results for us--most especially in the more challenging cases. Her implementation of the CHOICES method GREATLY increases the positive effects..and does so in an IMMEDIATE fashion. I believe all list members utilizing any form of Emotional Freedom Technique will find this modification to be a quite powerful---and immediateimprovement over the original mantra used. This is not to say that the original declarative statements are invalid..but that that this protocol improvement is a major oneindeed. At least in my opinion. Sincerely,Brooks Bradley. http://www.tappingworldsummit.com/event/day2-uiygui/redroom.php -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
