Re: CSkidney stones

[orv delany]

Hi saw your post and had to send you some help.   There are two kinds of 
kidney stones but they can be dissolved in about 3 days using magnesium 
chloride in the form  magnesium oil,you take two tablespoons of full 
strength magnesium oil rite out of the bottle and add that to1 qt. filtered 
water and shake up every time you use it, then take 6 oz of that 3 times a 
day.  that it.  Go to you-tube and pull up  Magnesium chloride (its liquid} 
but look for the Brazilian Dr. Luiz Moura,  It is sub-titled. He has other 
things he speaks about but look for Magnesium chloride there.  It works and 
is the best and only type of Magnesium worth even thinking about. Other 
forms of magnesium are very little absorbed.  2nd Google up The web site 
Magnesium For Life and spend lots of time there. Two main ways to take it 
orally and transdermal therapy which is spraying on legs and arm usually 
diluted half out of the bottle and mix with water and spray it on , leave on 
20 to 30 min and rinse off or shower off.  or bath in it or do foot bath. 
But for dissolving kidney stones you must take it orally. Dr Sircus on that 
site writes much about it.  Watch you-tube first and find the sub-titled 
version. Do your home work and dig in and read read read it works.   This 
mineral in this form is working out rite miracles for people all over the 
world. Orv in Portland or.

From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: CSkidney stones


Hi,  I've read of the olive oil and lemon juice but for gallstones not 
kidney stones.


I was taught that in China they give people something to relax them, have 
them drink lots of water and then jump rope.

Good luck.
PT

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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:45 PM
Subject: CSkidney stones


I'm having trouble with a kidney stone.  Other than plenty of water, 
wondering what folks have tried
(successfully hopefully) as a folk remedy, to help dissolve and release 
the stone.  I've been doing some research, and folks have mentioned such 
things as drinking apple cider vinegar; drinking 2 oz of fresh squeezed 
lemon juice stirred into 2 oz of olive oil;  guzzling 6(!) cokes followed 
by 8 ounces of smooshed
asparagus; and drinking 3 doses of a quart of water added to a cup of 
lemon concentrate.  (total 3 quarts of water, 3 cups of lemon 
concentrate. I don't drink coke, but if it could relieve this pain I'd do 
it on a one
time basis.  Think I'm going to try the lemon juice/olive oil combo 
first. Have any of these remedies worked for anyone else?   Thanks, Sara



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Re: CS(LL) Is it ok to use DMSO or MSM in a nebulizer with CS ??

[Hanneke]

When I use the nebulizer, I always use CS plus DMSO added.
The earlier one I had was a normal nebulizer. I would fill the little
container for medication with about 10 mil and would add about 4-8
drops of DMSO.
I have an ultrasonic nebulizer which I use now. Not sure if the
little space is equal to 10 mil but I just fill it and add
again 4-8 DMSO. Does a fantastic job.  
At 11:21 AM 19/03/2010, you wrote:
Hi
all, my brother has a bad case of bronchitis. He just got a
nebulizer  has used it once with CS (EIS). I don't remember
reading anything concerning the use of both in one
 If it is ok ?? ---how much DMSO or MSM should be
added to the EIS ?? Thanks, Lois



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Re: CSOT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

[Tony Moody]

I use Pegasus email program, and that has a setting accept requests to
'confirm reading' which is set OFF by default. I believe all emailers
should have that facility

Tony

On 18 Mar 2010 at 12:31, MaryAnn Helland wrote about :
Subject : Re: CSOT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

 You're absolutely right Harvey In Houston -- the sender controls this.  I
 have a bellsouth.net account -- and you don't see any receipt requests
 from me! MA




 
 From: Harvey Metzler hpm...@hal-pc.org
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 1:40:35 PM
 Subject: Re: CSOT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

 I absolutely do not believe that you have an email program where this
 cannot be turned off.  This would be the case of a dictatorship where
 everyone on the list has to conform to your non flexible e-mail program. 
 Why?  It is just easier to delete everything you posts or to set the spam
 trap to dump everything you post to the spam file where they get deleted
 in mass..

 Harvey In Houston

 needling around wrote:
  Hi Renee,
  It is not done 'by email', it is automatic and I need it for non-list
  emails. This is the only list that does not automatically remove it, but
  I believe you can set your computer to ignore it so you won't see it.
  Sorry I cannot be more helpful. PT
 
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     *Sent:* Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:25 AM
     *Subject:* Re: CSOT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes
 
     Hi PT.  Would it be possible that you could turn off your 'notice    
 of message received?  Every time you post, it comes up asking for     me
 to send a message (or not) saying I received your message.         
 samala,     Renee     www.eamega.com/RPainManageEnt
 http://www.eamega.com/RPainManageEnt    Chronic pain does NOT belong in
 your body.  The Am Wand     Helps you get rid of it quickly and easily. 
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Re: CSAnother place to get the movies

[Ode Coyote]

  Super size me has a fatal flaw in the original premise.
Eating 3 supersized meals a day *at home* would make you fat.
No one in their right mind would ever eat that much food in a day.
Just one of those is enough food for an entire day.
The subject in the film had to force feed himself just to choke it all down.

And the very idea that you NEED to eat 3 meals a day is ridiculous.
If working heavy labor, maybe, but even then a full tummy can be very 
uncomfortable so a very light breakfast and lunch works best, then load on 
the calories after work.


Ode


At 04:06 PM 3/18/2010 -0500, you wrote:
Hey y'all Snag Films has the Supersize Me, and The Future of Food 
documovies. Another way for the folks over the pond, and elsewhere, to get 
to see them:)


http://www.snagfilms.com/films/browse/category/health/

Annie
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Re: CSAtten: Arthur Rambo

[Ode Coyote]

  That's where a Dremel drill and a sanding disk at very low RPM to avoid 
heat buildup comes in handy.


Ode


At 02:53 PM 3/18/2010 -0400, you wrote:
I was trying to use DMSO and SSKI to fight toenail fungus, but ran into a 
problem.
The DMSO dissolved the color from my socks and carried it into my skin, 
which turned black because I only wear black socks.

I searched for white socks, but they all have gray heels and toes.
While I used it, the DMSO/SSKI combo seemed to be working.
I am trying to figure out how to keep using it without staining my skin.
By the way, it appears to be important to file down your fungus nail until 
it is very very thin.

Then the solution can penetrate the nail to the fungus.

Del
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From: mailto:telt...@yahoo.comTel Tofflemire
To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: CSAtten: Arthur Rambo

I agree with Steve Re: Toenail Fungus and at least 5% Lugol's Iodine, and 
just enough DMSO to help in pulling in the Lugol's Iodine.

Tel Tofflemire
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Re: CSOT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

[Ode Coyote]

http://www.florida-coconuts.com/

Green coconuts shipped daily.
Coconut water is 100% natural. It is healthy, full of vitamins and 
minerals, and benefits your body. Send us your order and we will ship to 
you anywhere in the country! Packages start as small as three coconuts per 
box and there are quantity discounts. We sell many baby palm trees starting 
at $10.00. Buy fresh coconuts full water and meat. Drink to your health!


Ode

At 04:25 PM 3/18/2010 +0005, you wrote:

Sol writes:
 Tried coconut oil, but coconut water (I read) is supposed to be used
 fresh and there is zero access to that here. They don't sell whole
 coconuts, and years ago when they were seasonally sold here, they were
 horridly moldy.

Ah, well, then I'll ask, in all seriousness:

How much would it cost to either:

Travel to someplace where there are coconuts? (expensive, I know!)

Have some shipped fresh? (Recognizing customs could be a problem
depending on where you are...) I've seen vendors who'll ship you a box
of them for a price.

I actually have a local fruit market that keeps young coconuts in
stock, and we've been buying a few per month lately. They could
probably be fresher, but none have been bad. I'd love to taste one
right off the tree someday!

Mike D.

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Re: CSOT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

[MaryAnn Helland]

Hi Tony.  I just checked all my mail options.  There is no such option 
available to me.  By the same token, there is no option for requesting 
confirmed readings either, so I'm not sure how PT is doing this to begin with.  
Anyway -- it's a moot point since Mike has apparently solved the problem.  :-)
MA 





From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za
Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 2:14:58 AM

I use Pegasus email program, and that has a setting accept requests to
'confirm reading' which is set OFF by default. I believe all emailers
should have that facility

CShelp for clogged arteries

[Kirsteen Wright]

Hi can anyone offer any suggestions or pointers to the archives please. A
friend of mine (male 60) has recently had a heart attack. The angiogram
showed one artery completely blocked and the others severely constricted. He
will probably have a quadruple bypass very soon. He has never smoked,
exercises regularly and eats a vegan diet.

He is very open to adding in supplements, complimentary therapies and a
natural approach to the problem. However, surfing the web for advice he
feels bombarded with sites all promising miracle cures if he just pays £XXX
for whatever they're selling.

I know there's some really knowledgeable people here. What would you suggest
he tries. Any advice gratefully received.

thanks
Kirsteen

Re: CShelp for clogged arteries

[Kirsteen Wright]

Forgot to add - he already does hydrogen peroxide therapy.

Cheers
Kirsteen

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Kirsteen Wright 
kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi can anyone offer any suggestions or pointers to the archives please. A
 friend of mine (male 60) has recently had a heart attack. The angiogram
 showed one artery completely blocked and the others severely constricted. He
 will probably have a quadruple bypass very soon. He has never smoked,
 exercises regularly and eats a vegan diet.

 He is very open to adding in supplements, complimentary therapies and a
 natural approach to the problem. However, surfing the web for advice he
 feels bombarded with sites all promising miracle cures if he just pays £XXX
 for whatever they're selling.

 I know there's some really knowledgeable people here. What would you
 suggest he tries. Any advice gratefully received.

 thanks
 Kirsteen

Re: CShelp for clogged arteries

[Leslie]

All I know for myself is cayenne pepper which Dick Quinn spoke about in his 
book Left For Dead. I only have anxiety attacks but when I know one is coming 
on, I immediately go get the red pepper and take 1/3 to 1/2 teas. in an orange 
drink or just my tea (doesn't cover as well) and drink some more behind it and 
then in a little drink water. In less than 30 min. I'm fine. 

Hope this helps.
Leslie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kirsteen Wright 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 9:18 AM
  Subject: Re: CShelp for clogged arteries


  Forgot to add - he already does hydrogen peroxide therapy.

  Cheers
  Kirsteen


  On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Kirsteen Wright 
kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi can anyone offer any suggestions or pointers to the archives please. A 
friend of mine (male 60) has recently had a heart attack. The angiogram showed 
one artery completely blocked and the others severely constricted. He will 
probably have a quadruple bypass very soon. He has never smoked, exercises 
regularly and eats a vegan diet.

He is very open to adding in supplements, complimentary therapies and a 
natural approach to the problem. However, surfing the web for advice he feels 
bombarded with sites all promising miracle cures if he just pays £XXX for 
whatever they're selling.

I know there's some really knowledgeable people here. What would you 
suggest he tries. Any advice gratefully received.

thanks
Kirsteen

CSAnti fungals

[Saralou Pedigo]

There are quite a few anti fungal essential oils.  In my experience, none
work exclusively and thoroughly on nail fungus.  However, it may be that
you'll want to add a few drops here and there to augment your treatment. Not
sure the body / fungus acclimates to treatment but adding 2-3 drops (yes,
drops) of any one essential oil to your mixture and then changing off every
week might be of benefit. Most if not all on my list below contain phenols.
Phenols are antiseptic chemicals, stimulate the body, beneficial in small
doses; large doses can be a poison to the nervous system and other body
systems.

Again, make sure they're diluted to .1% or less of total volume--hence the 2
drops in an oz. or two of your iodine/DMSO mixture. [note: Some essential
oil MLMs advocate the use of neat - undiluted - essential oils. While very
effective in treating a variety of maladies, it is the path to
sensitization--not a pretty picture.]

Extra virgin coconut oil is noted for it's anti fungal properties.  I
wouldn't count on it to eradicate a foot/nail fungus but I would use it to
prevent one, once you've cleared it up.

Essential Oils

Tea Tree (Melaleuca alterniflia)
Cedarwood, either
Atlashttp://www.naturesgift.com/essential/descriptionc-d.htm#CEDARATLASor
Virginiahttp://www.naturesgift.com/essential/descriptionc-d.htm#CEDARWOODVIRGINIA
.
Lavender (Lavendula vera, Lavendula angustifolia
Lavendula officianalis)
Lemon Eucalyptus *Eucalyptus
citriodora*http://www.naturesgift.com/essential/descriptione-g.htm#LEMON%20EUC
Myrrh (Commiphora myrrha)
Tagetes * Tagetes
glandulifera*http://www.naturesgift.com/essential/descriptions-y.htm#TAGETES
oregano *origanum vulgare*
thyme *Thymus vulgaris*
clove  *Eugenia carophyllata*
**Lemongrass *Cymbopogon Citratus*
sage *Salvia officinalis*
lemon myrtle*Backhousia citriodora*
Fragonia™ http://www.naturesgift.com/essential/Fragonia-Essential-Oil.htm

research references
//www.naturesgift.com/antifungal.htm
//nail-fungus-treatment.blogspot.com/
//antiagingchoices.com/Aromatherapy/healthy_nail.htm
//www.essential-oil-recipes.com/essential-oils-chemistry.html
//www.health-oils.com/antifungalessentialoil.html
http://www.deancoleman.com/essentialref.htm#eucalyptus
http://www.essential-oil-recipes.com/aromatherapy-essential-oils.html
//antinailfungus.com/toenail-fungus/essential-oils-cure-toenail-fungus
//www.squidoo.com/toenailfungushometreatment
//www.aromaweb.com/essentialoils/default.asp
//www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/anti1.php
//www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/anti6.php
//ezinearticles.com/?Powerful-Essential-Oils-Kill-Nail-Fungusid=2238

Re: CShelp for clogged arteries

[Marshall Dudley]

serrapeptase has shown itself to be very good at completely clearing 
arteries.  My wife's blood pressure went down from 150/100 with blood 
pressure medicine to 115/65 without taking blood pressure medicine after 
only one month of taking it. I believe that the heart surgeons would 
have to find another job if everyone would try that before surgery.


Caution, to NOT take too much at once.  If you have blocked arteries it 
needs to be removed slowly, if you take too much, chunks can break off 
and cause a stroke.  But this is not a problem, it will clear vessels 
usually within a month or two.


We initially took 2 capsules of SerraGold 100,000 IU a day, and once our 
blood pressure was normal and all the blockage gone (in about a month), 
we shitched to Drs. Best 40,000 one a day for maintenance.


Marshall

Kirsteen Wright wrote:
Hi can anyone offer any suggestions or pointers to the archives 
please. A friend of mine (male 60) has recently had a heart attack. 
The angiogram showed one artery completely blocked and the others 
severely constricted. He will probably have a quadruple bypass very 
soon. He has never smoked, exercises regularly and eats a vegan diet.


He is very open to adding in supplements, complimentary therapies and 
a natural approach to the problem. However, surfing the web for advice 
he feels bombarded with sites all promising miracle cures if he just 
pays £XXX for whatever they're selling.


I know there's some really knowledgeable people here. What would you 
suggest he tries. Any advice gratefully received.


thanks
Kirsteen



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Re: CS(LL) Is it ok to use DMSO or MSM in a nebulizer with CS ??

[James Lembeck]

DMSO is a great product, however the quality of some of the material being sold 
is questionable. There is only one company that sells pharma grade material is 
the US, most of the rest comes from China (or else where). Now this is where is 
gets sticky, unless the material is USP material there can be impurities in it 
(they can be anything). Then when the 'maker' here is the US rebottles the 200 
gal drums they import, they put the product into PLASTIC bottles that can 
contain a number of potentially harmful chemicals (e.g. BPA and others). And 
becuase DMSO is a solvent, it will 'pull' what ever is in the plastic into the 
product over time, especially with an increase in temp.

If you can find it, buy it in GLASS bottles. And if you want to do some 
detective work call the manufacturer (who ususlly is only a marketing company, 
because almost all of them TOLL the product out to a subcontractor) to see if 
they will supply you with a C of A (cert of analysis). Yeah, seems like a lot 
of work, but it will be worth it. 

Dr. Lembeck

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From: Hanneke bloss...@internode.on.net
Subject: Re: CS(LL) Is it ok to use DMSO or MSM in a nebulizer with CS  ??
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 12:48 AM


 
When I use the nebulizer, I always use CS  plus DMSO added. 
The earlier one I had was a normal nebulizer. I would fill the little
container for medication  with about 10 mil and would add about 4-8
drops of DMSO.


I have an  ultrasonic nebulizer which I use now. Not sure if the
little  space is equal to 10 mil but I just fill it and add
again  4-8 DMSO.  Does a fantastic job.  


At 11:21 AM 19/03/2010, you wrote:

Hi
all, my brother has a bad case of bronchitis. He just got a
nebulizer   has used it once with CS (EIS). I don't remember
reading anything concerning the use of both in one

   If it is ok ?? ---how much DMSO or MSM  should be
added to the EIS ?? Thanks, Lois 
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Re: CShelp for clogged arteries

[James Lembeck]

Perfect, absolutely agree with Marshall. The addition of Nattokinase would also 
be prudent in severe cases, they work well together...


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From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
Subject: Re: CShelp for clogged arteries
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 9:40 AM

serrapeptase has shown itself to be very good at completely clearing arteries.  
My wife's blood pressure went down from 150/100 with blood pressure medicine to 
115/65 without taking blood pressure medicine after only one month of taking 
it. I believe that the heart surgeons would have to find another job if 
everyone would try that before surgery.

Caution, to NOT take too much at once.  If you have blocked arteries it needs 
to be removed slowly, if you take too much, chunks can break off and cause a 
stroke.  But this is not a problem, it will clear vessels usually within a 
month or two.

We initially took 2 capsules of SerraGold 100,000 IU a day, and once our blood 
pressure was normal and all the blockage gone (in about a month), we shitched 
to Drs. Best 40,000 one a day for maintenance.

Marshall

Kirsteen Wright wrote:
 Hi can anyone offer any suggestions or pointers to the archives please. A 
 friend of mine (male 60) has recently had a heart attack. The angiogram 
 showed one artery completely blocked and the others severely constricted. He 
 will probably have a quadruple bypass very soon. He has never smoked, 
 exercises regularly and eats a vegan diet.
 
 He is very open to adding in supplements, complimentary therapies and a 
 natural approach to the problem. However, surfing the web for advice he feels 
 bombarded with sites all promising miracle cures if he just pays £XXX for 
 whatever they're selling.
 
 I know there's some really knowledgeable people here. What would you suggest 
 he tries. Any advice gratefully received.
 
 thanks
 Kirsteen


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Re: CSliposomal Vit C

[James Lembeck]

Sodium bicarb will increase the pH considerably, sodium ascorbate would not 
have the same affect. It appears that he wants to increase pH, thus the 
inclusion of Na+ Bicarb, I am not sure I understand why you want to deviate 
from his recipe? Na+ bicarb is cheap, just make sure that you buy the aluminum 
free type. Bob's Red Mill distributes such a product, and maybe even Rumford

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From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
Subject: Re: CSliposomal Vit C
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 12:27 PM

Oh I understood from Brookes post that sodium ascorbate was the one to use.  On 
his post he mixes bicarbonate of soda with the ascorbic acid to make an 
alkaline form to use.  If you look in the archives you can see Brookes 
Bradley's posts on the subject.  I just by-passed adding the bicarb by buying 
the ready made sodium ascorbate.  dee

On 18 Mar 2010, at 15:09, James Lembeck wrote:

 Dorothy,
 I would have to see the spec sheet for this ingredient (each manufacturer is 
 different), typically sodium ascorbate is not the form of choice if you want 
 something that is 'buffered'. Typically calcium ascorbate is the ingredient 
 of choice simply because of its pH, the other form has too much sodium in it 
 for for broad spectrum use.
 
 I sort of came into this conversation on the 'back side' so I am not sure 
 what the application for this product is (for you). 
 
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Re: CSliposomal Vit C

[Alan Jones]

Dee was saying you can make sodium ascorbate by mixing sodium bicarbonate
and ascorbic acid in water.  Sodium ascrobate is the preferred form of
vitamin C to use for liposomal encapsulation (Livon Labs uses this).

Alan

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:52 AM, James Lembeck rb1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Sodium bicarb will increase the pH considerably, sodium ascorbate would not
 have the same affect. It appears that he wants to increase pH, thus the
 inclusion of Na+ Bicarb, I am not sure I understand why you want to deviate
 from his recipe? Na+ bicarb is cheap, just make sure that you buy the
 aluminum free type. Bob's Red Mill distributes such a product, and maybe
 even Rumford


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 Subject: Re: CSliposomal Vit C
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 12:27 PM

 Oh I understood from Brookes post that sodium ascorbate was the one to
 use.  On his post he mixes bicarbonate of soda with the ascorbic acid to
 make an alkaline form to use.  If you look in the archives you can see
 Brookes Bradley's posts on the subject.  I just by-passed adding the bicarb
 by buying the ready made sodium ascorbate.  dee


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Re: CShelp for clogged arteries

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Well Kirsteen, since I've started this liposomal thing, I have read that this 
is one of the things that lecithin is good for.  Also, check out Dr Wong on 
Enzymes--the systemic kind.  HTH dee

On 19 Mar 2010, at 14:15, Kirsteen Wright wrote:

 Hi can anyone offer any suggestions or pointers to the archives please. A 
 friend of mine (male 60) has recently had a heart attack. The angiogram 
 showed one artery completely blocked and the others severely constricted. He 
 will probably have a quadruple bypass very soon. He has never smoked, 
 exercises regularly and eats a vegan diet.
 
 He is very open to adding in supplements, complimentary therapies and a 
 natural approach to the problem. However, surfing the web for advice he feels 
 bombarded with sites all promising miracle cures if he just pays £XXX for 
 whatever they're selling.
 
 I know there's some really knowledgeable people here. What would you suggest 
 he tries. Any advice gratefully received.
 
 thanks
 Kirsteen


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Re: CS(LL) Is it ok to use DMSO or MSM in a nebulizer with CS ??

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Blast, I searched high and low for DMSO here in the UK and managed to get it on 
ebay- but - it is in a plastic bottle!  It was the only one I could get 
though--the original one I got was in glass.  dee

On 19 Mar 2010, at 15:43, James Lembeck wrote:

 DMSO is a great product, however the quality of some of the material being 
 sold is questionable. There is only one company that sells pharma grade 
 material is the US, most of the rest comes from China (or else where). Now 
 this is where is gets sticky, unless the material is USP material there can 
 be impurities in it (they can be anything). Then when the 'maker' here is the 
 US rebottles the 200 gal drums they import, they put the product into PLASTIC 
 bottles that can contain a number of potentially harmful chemicals (e.g. BPA 
 and others). And becuase DMSO is a solvent, it will 'pull' what ever is in 
 the plastic into the product over time, especially with an increase in temp.
 
 If you can find it, buy it in GLASS bottles. And if you want to do some 
 detective work call the manufacturer (who ususlly is only a marketing 
 company, because almost all of them TOLL the product out to a subcontractor) 
 to see if they will supply you with a C of A (cert of analysis). Yeah, seems 
 like a lot of work, but it will be worth it. 
 
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Re: CSliposomal Vit C

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

The thing is, I bought sodium ascorbate because I thought it was the same thing 
as ascorbic acid plus bicarb!  I'm sure Brookes mentioned that they had used 
sodium ascorbate in experiments with this.  dee

On 19 Mar 2010, at 15:52, James Lembeck wrote:

 Sodium bicarb will increase the pH considerably, sodium ascorbate would not 
 have the same affect. It appears that he wants to increase pH, thus the 
 inclusion of Na+ Bicarb, I am not sure I understand why you want to deviate 
 from his recipe? Na+ bicarb is cheap, just make sure that you buy the 
 aluminum free type. Bob's Red Mill distributes such a product, and maybe even 
 Rumford
 
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Re: CShelp for clogged arteries

[Pat Lawrie]

There is a site www.serrapeptase.info which has a lot of info. I bought 
serrapeptase from them and noticed myself taking in deep breaths within just a 
few days. I didn't even know I wasn't breathing deeply till then. So I recently 
just added their Blockbuster All Clear and take it with Curcumin.
Pat





From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 10:40:47 AM
Subject: Re: CS help for clogged arteries

Serrapeptase has shown itself to be very good at completely clearing arteries. 
My wife's blood pressure went down with blood pressure from 150/100 to 115/65 
without taking medicine blood pressure medicine after only one month of taking 
it. I believe that the heart surgeons would have to find another job if 
everyone would try that before surgery.

Caution, to NOT take too much at once. If you have blocked arteries it needs to 
be removed slowly, if you take too much, chunks can break off and cause a 
stroke. But this is not a problem, it will clear vessels usually within a month 
or two.

We initially took 2 capsules of SerraGold 100,000 IU a day, And once our blood 
pressure was normal and all the blockage gone (in about a month), we shitched 
to Drs 40.000 Best one a day for maintenance.

Marshall

Kirsteen Wright wrote:
 Hi can anyone offer any suggestions or pointers to the archives please. A 
 friend of mine (male 60) has recently had a heart attack. The angiogram 
 showed one artery completely blocked and the others severely constricted. He 
 will probably have a quadruple bypass very soon. He has never smoked, 
 exercises regularly and eats a vegan diet.
 
 He is very open to adding in supplements, complimentary therapies and a 
 natural approach to the problem. However, surfing the web for advice he feels 
 bombarded with sites all promising miracle cures if he just pays £ XXX for 
 whatever they're selling.
 
 I know there's some really knowledgeable people here. What would you suggest 
 he tries. Any advice gratefully received.
 
 Thanks
 Kirsteen


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Re: CShelp for clogged arteries

[Norton, Steve]

Nattokinase also has the ability to dissolve blood clots. 



From: James Lembeck rb1...@yahoo.com 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Fri Mar 19 10:47:14 2010
Subject: Re: CShelp for clogged arteries 


Perfect, absolutely agree with Marshall. The addition of Nattokinase would also 
be prudent in severe cases, they work well together...


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From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
Subject: Re: CShelp for clogged arteries
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 9:40 AM


serrapeptase has shown itself to be very good at completely clearing 
arteries.  My wife's blood pressure went down from 150/100 with blood pressure 
medicine to 115/65 without taking blood pressure medicine after only one month 
of taking it. I believe that the heart surgeons would have to find another job 
if everyone would try that before surgery.

Caution, to NOT take too much at once.  If you have blocked arteries it 
needs to be removed slowly, if you take too much, chunks can break off and 
cause a stroke.  But this is not a problem, it will clear vessels usually 
within a month or two.

We initially took 2 capsules of SerraGold 100,000 IU a day, and once 
our blood pressure was normal and all the blockage gone (in about a month), we 
shitched to Drs. Best 40,000 one a day for maintenance.

Marshall

Kirsteen Wright wrote:
 Hi can anyone offer any suggestions or pointers to the archives 
please. A friend of mine (male 60) has recently had a heart attack. The 
angiogram showed one artery completely blocked and the others severely 
constricted. He will probably have a quadruple bypass very soon. He has never 
smoked, exercises regularly and eats a vegan diet.
 
 He is very open to adding in supplements, complimentary therapies and 
a natural approach to the problem. However, surfing the web for advice he feels 
bombarded with sites all promising miracle cures if he just pays £XXX for 
whatever they're selling.
 
 I know there's some really knowledgeable people here. What would you 
suggest he tries. Any advice gratefully received.
 
 thanks
 Kirsteen


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Re: CS(LL) Is it ok to use DMSO or MSM in a nebulizer with CS ??

[Gail Rice]

James Lembeck said:...DMSO is a great product, however the quality of some
of the material being sold is questionable. There is only one company that
sells pharma grade material is the US, most of the rest comes from China (or
else where)...

What company is that?

Re: CSliposomal Vit C

[James Lembeck]

I see, thanks Alan!

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Subject: Re: CSliposomal Vit C
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Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 9:56 AM

Dee was saying you can make sodium ascorbate by mixing sodium bicarbonate and 
ascorbic acid in water.  Sodium ascrobate is the preferred form of vitamin C to 
use for liposomal encapsulation (Livon Labs uses this).

Alan


On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:52 AM, James Lembeck rb1...@yahoo.com wrote:

Sodium bicarb will increase the pH considerably, sodium ascorbate would not 
have the same affect. It appears that he wants to increase pH, thus the 
inclusion of Na+ Bicarb, I am not sure I understand why you want to deviate 
from his recipe? Na+ bicarb is cheap, just make sure that you buy the aluminum 
free type. Bob's Red Mill distributes such a product, and maybe even Rumford


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From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
Subject: Re: CSliposomal Vit C
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 12:27 PM

Oh I understood from Brookes post that sodium ascorbate was the one to use.  On 
his post he mixes bicarbonate of soda with the ascorbic
 acid to make an alkaline form to use.  If you look in the archives you can see 
Brookes Bradley's posts on the subject.  I just by-passed adding the bicarb by 
buying the ready made sodium ascorbate.  dee


-- 
Alan Jones

receipt requests, was Re: CSOT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

[sol]

Harvey Metzler wrote:
I absolutely do not believe that you have an email program where this 
cannot be turned off.  This would be the case of a dictatorship where 
everyone on the list has to conform to your non flexible e-mail 
program.  Why?  It is just easier to delete everything you posts or to 
set the spam trap to dump everything you post to the spam file where 
they get deleted in mass..


I use two email programs, in one of which I can set a domain 
(silverl...@eskimo.com) so that my emails to the list are automatically 
sent in plain text. In the other, I cannot find a way to do that, and 
have to choose either plain text or HTML for each email I send.
So I don't think all email programs are the same. But I know at least 
one of mine allows such a choice for receipt as well.
When email programs do not allow such a choice by domain, it should be 
possible to set up a separate email account (or address or personality 
or whatever that particular email program calls it--my provider allows 
me up to 5 separate email addresses) and set that account or address to 
never request receipts and only use that one for the silverlist or other 
lists where is it an annoyance to list members to have to get the pop up 
about sending a receipt.
There is no reason a separate yahoo or gmail account cannot be set up 
just for silverlist emailsthis would be a really separate email 
account, not just a different email address within the same provider.
The volume of the silverlist is rather large, and I like reading PTs 
posts so I hope this can be solved. Though Mike may have solved it in 
the global settings for the silverlist, I still think it worth PTs while 
to fix this also in her own email set up.

sol


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Re: CS(LL) Is it ok to use DMSO or MSM in a nebulizer with CS ??

[James Lembeck]

Hi Gail,
The company actually manufactures the raw material, but they do not sell direct 
to the public...they resell to others that sell to the public. This is a 
problem across the board with ALL supplements, the public never knows where the 
raw material originated, or if it is really what is claimed on the label. I 
have been in this business for 30 years and this is my biggest gripe. I wish I 
could point you in a direction. If you call the distributor and they will not 
provide you with the C of A then try someplace else, it just means they don't 
know what they are selling most of the time, or maybe don't care. If they 
really cared they would provide you with what ever you need in the interest of 
good customer service. 

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From: Gail Rice gail.r...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: CS(LL) Is it ok to use DMSO or MSM in a nebulizer with CS ??
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 10:44 AM

James Lembeck said:...DMSO is a great product, however the quality of some of 
the material being sold is questionable. There is only one company that sells 
pharma grade material is the US, most of the rest comes from China (or else 
where)...

What company is that?

Re: CSTest post re stripping headers

[sol]

oops!  once again I should have caught completely up on the list before 
replying..sheesh,
But does this mean both PTs email receipt requests have been turned off 
for this list AND the global settings for the silverlist also will stop 
future requests from others? or just that the change in silverlist 
settings worked, but the receipt requests are still attached to PTs emails?

(not cirticizing or carping, I want to know for my own information, thanks)
sol

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By Jove, I think we've got it, PT!!!

Yesss!



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Re: CSAnother place to get the movies

[sol]

Annie B Smythe wrote:
Hey y'all Snag Films has the Supersize Me, and The Future of Food 
documovies. Another way for the folks over the pond, and elsewhere, to 
get to see them:)


http://www.snagfilms.com/films/browse/category/health/
I feel I must once again refer anyone who is taken in by the film 
Supersize Me to this site:

http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/about/
There are significant falsehoods and manipulations, if not outright 
lies, in the Supersize me film.
It is always best to take a look at BOTH claims and de-construction of 
claims before making up one's mind.

sol


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Re: CSOT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

[sol]

M. G. Devour wrote:

Ah, well, then I'll ask, in all seriousness:

How much would it cost to either:

Travel to someplace where there are coconuts? (expensive, I know!)
  
More than I can afford, but I also have other things that prevent such 
travel.
Have some shipped fresh? (Recognizing customs could be a problem 
depending on where you are...) I've seen vendors who'll ship you a box 
of them for a price.
  
LOL, I don't want a box of them. Frankly I don't have enough confidence 
that the coconut juice would work to go to the expense.
I actually have a local fruit market that keeps young coconuts in 
stock, and we've been buying a few per month lately. They could 
probably be fresher, but none have been bad. I'd love to taste one 
right off the tree someday!
  
Ironically, when I lived where I could have gotten them free in less 
than 50 ft from my front door assuming  fallen ones would have been ok.
I could perhaps get one at the Wild Oats market in SLC, but that is a 
340 mile RT. Next time I get there, I will look, but not going to make a 
special trip.

sol


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Re: CSOT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

[sol]

brick...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 3/17/2010 10:09:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com writes:


How many times a day did you use the drops? I apply the drops two or
three times a day. 


Morning and evening
Brickey
Well, then I cannot even guess as to the reasons for our opposite 
results.

sol


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Re: CSAnother place to get the movies

[sol]

Ode Coyote wrote:



  Super size me has a fatal flaw in the original premise.
Eating 3 supersized meals a day *at home* would make you fat.
No one in their right mind would ever eat that much food in a day.
Just one of those is enough food for an entire day.
The subject in the film had to force feed himself just to choke it all 
down.
A worse flaw is that he did NOT supersize every meal, though that is the 
implication. I believe the info from his own records shows that he 
actually only supersized about 9 meals total.

http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/about/
Nor do his calorie counts actually add up to the totals he claimed.
sol


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Re: CSAnother place to get the movies

[Annie B Smythe]

I wouldn't even eat one McDonald's meal a day. 
Their meat is NOT meat, and their food and every 
other fast food joint's food is full of MSG, and 
yeah a whole lot of grease. Anyone who thinks 
eating fast food every day is healthy needs a 
reality check. I have seen and know people that 
eat fast food nearly every day of the week, 
whether it's breakfast, lunch, or dinner. The 
unhealthy kind of fat alone is enough to keep me 
away.  There are kids that eat hamburgers and 
pizza every day in school. In my town that's 
exactly what they serve, yeah they offer the 
regular lunch too, but what kid is gonna choose 
veggies over a burger and fries, or pizza? And he 
didn't eat every meal supersized. He only got 
supersize if they asked him if he wanted it, which 
may have been 50% of the time. And he ate every 
item on the menu at least once. Did you actually 
watch the film? The rules were laid out at the 
beginning. And the lab results on his blood and 
such weren't faked.
So three meals a day for 30 days or One meal a day 
for 90 days, still getting way more calories and 
fat than anyone needs at one sitting. Not to 
mention the HFCS in the sodas, and the brominated 
bread of the buns, and the high salt content. 
McDonald's even admits their chicken isn't chicken 
and their food is unhealthy. I avoid fast food 
like the plague.



Annie


Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


Ode Coyote wrote:



  Super size me has a fatal flaw in the original premise.
Eating 3 supersized meals a day *at home* would make you fat.
No one in their right mind would ever eat that much food in a day.
Just one of those is enough food for an entire day.
The subject in the film had to force feed himself just to choke it all 
down.


And the very idea that you NEED to eat 3 meals a day is ridiculous.
If working heavy labor, maybe, but even then a full tummy can be very 
uncomfortable so a very light breakfast and lunch works best, then load 
on the calories after work.


Ode


At 04:06 PM 3/18/2010 -0500, you wrote:
Hey y'all Snag Films has the Supersize Me, and The Future of Food 
documovies. Another way for the folks over the pond, and elsewhere, to 
get to see them:)


http://www.snagfilms.com/films/browse/category/health/

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Re: CSOT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

[sol]

Ode Coyote wrote:

http://www.florida-coconuts.com/

Green coconuts shipped daily.


Thanks, Ode. I'll check it out.
sol


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Re: CSAnother place to get the movies

[sol]

Annie B Smythe wrote:
I wouldn't even eat one McDonald's meal a day. Their meat is NOT meat, 
and their food and every other fast food joint's food is full of MSG, 
and yeah a whole lot of grease. Anyone who thinks eating fast food 
every day is healthy needs a reality check.
I was not addressing any of those points, only the factual lies in the 
movie SuperSize Me. Whether fast food is healthy is a whole other issue.

http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/about/
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Re: CSAnother place to get the movies

[Annie B Smythe]

Well if you watched the film, he set up rules for 
the experiment at the very beginning. He had to 
eat three meals a day, he had to eat every item on 
the menu, and he could only supersize the order if 
they asked him if he wanted to supersize it. He 
stuck by the rules for the experiment. Overall I 
think he did a great job of showing how unhealthy 
the stuff is. Even the doctors were surprised at 
the damage the stuff was doing to him, and he was 
a fairly healthy guy to begin with. If you're not 
healthy then I imagine the damage is much greater.


Annie

Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


sol wrote:

Annie B Smythe wrote:
I wouldn't even eat one McDonald's meal a day. Their meat is NOT meat, 
and their food and every other fast food joint's food is full of MSG, 
and yeah a whole lot of grease. Anyone who thinks eating fast food 
every day is healthy needs a reality check.
I was not addressing any of those points, only the factual lies in the 
movie SuperSize Me. Whether fast food is healthy is a whole other issue.

http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/about/
sol


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Re: CSliposomal Vit C

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Thanks so much for this Alan - I was getting really confused!  dee

On 19 Mar 2010, at 15:56, Alan Jones wrote:

 Dee was saying you can make sodium ascorbate by mixing sodium bicarbonate and 
 ascorbic acid in water.  Sodium ascrobate is the preferred form of vitamin C 
 to use for liposomal encapsulation (Livon Labs uses this).
 
 Alan
 
 On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:52 AM, James Lembeck rb1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Sodium bicarb will increase the pH considerably, sodium ascorbate would not 
 have the same affect. It appears that he wants to increase pH, thus the 
 inclusion of Na+ Bicarb, I am not sure I understand why you want to deviate 
 from his recipe? Na+ bicarb is cheap, just make sure that you buy the 
 aluminum free type. Bob's Red Mill distributes such a product, and maybe even 
 Rumford
 
 
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CSlecithin

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Can anyone tell me if their soy smells of paint products?  Also, how can I tell 
if the product is rancid or not?  dee

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Re: CSOT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

[Brickeyk]

My cataract was broken and in little pieces. Maybe the cataract  chunk just 
moved away from the new lens and could be still floating around  in my eye.
Brickey

Re: CSOT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

[carolG]

Oh goshhope all goes welljust read this...yikes...

carol





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Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 3:49:36 PM
Subject: Re: CSOT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

My cataract was broken and in little pieces. Maybe the cataract 
chunk just moved away from the new lens and could be still floating around 
in my eye.
Brickey

Re: CSlecithin

[James Lembeck]

Lecithin will not necessarily smell bad, and unless you can test for oxidative 
markers (peroxide being one) you won't be able to. The color will be darker for 
'old' oxidized product, it may stick together, be slimy and or clump. The 
product we use is ALWAYS refrigerated. 

The extraction process in some products uses chemicals to extract the material. 
What is left behind are hexane insolubles...since we never heat the product, I 
am not sure what the smell is coming from.


Hope that helps,
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Can anyone tell me if their soy smells of paint products?  Also, how can I tell 
if the product is rancid or not?  dee

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Re: CSAnother place to get the movies

[sol]

Annie B Smythe wrote:
Well if you watched the film, he set up rules for the experiment at 
the very beginning. He had to eat three meals a day, he had to eat 
every item on the menu, and he could only supersize the order if they 
asked him if he wanted to supersize it. He stuck by the rules for the 
experiment. Overall I think he did a great job of showing how 
unhealthy the stuff is.
Sinece he won't let anyone see his food original or copies of his 
original food logs who knows what he really ate? Certainly from what I 
see in Fathead his math does not add up. There is apparently no way he 
could have eaten only what he said he ate and consumed the number of 
calories he claims. So if that is true, he MUST be lying. At any rate he 
fudged his math, and it is hard to believe so many people just swallow 
it without at least checking his arithmetic.

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Re: CSTest post re stripping headers

[M. G. Devour]

Heya Sol,

The presence or absence of read reciept requests from anybody has now 
been rendered moot by a global setting that strips such headers from 
all mail to the list.   

It is always possible that some new abberation of e-mail protocols will 
cause problems or annoyances in the future, but at least the 3 
different versions of such requests that I know about are now being 
automatically stripped.  

Generally it is poor etiquette to indiscriminately subject others to 
such requests. Most competent mail programs or systems will allow you 
to completely (and silently) ignore such requests. Those of you being 
subjected to pop-ups are being harassed needlessly by your own 
software. You should be able to configure your setup to ignore them and 
not bother you at all. 

Just as important, though, is that no well designed system should make 
it so inconvenient to turn the request feature on and off that someone 
like PT would be reluctant to accommodate the preferences of his 
recipients on an individual basis.

Under the old configuration, if PT was unwilling or unable to turn off 
requests, I would have been forced to exclude them from participation 
in the list. Being able to quickly and easily solve the issue by 
technical means, allows us the luxury of ignoring the issue instead.

Be well,

Mike Devour
silver-list owner

Sol writes:
 oops!  once again I should have caught completely up on the list before
 replying..sheesh, But does this mean both PTs email receipt
 requests have been turned off for this list AND the global settings for
 the silverlist also will stop future requests from others? or just that
 the change in silverlist settings worked, but the receipt requests are
 still attached to PTs emails? (not cirticizing or carping, I want to
 know for my own information, thanks) sol 

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Re: CSlecithin

[sol]

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

Can anyone tell me if their soy smells of paint products?  Also, how can I tell 
if the product is rancid or not?  dee

  

I have Fearn brand lecithin granules and they have a clean smell.
But I also have NOW brand phosphatidyl serine capsules and they smell 
horrible (PS is made from lecithin), so I'm glad you asked that 
question. I also have PS from Puritan's Pride and the contents of those 
gelcaps smell and taste fine. But the contents of the NOW PS capsules 
taste awful, nasty and rancid.


Had you not asked the question I might have continued to take the NOW 
PS. As it is, I have trashed them.

thanks,
sol


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Re: CSOT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

[sol]

brick...@aol.com wrote:
My cataract was broken and in little pieces. Maybe the cataract 
chunk just moved away from the new lens and could be still floating 
around in my eye.

Brickey
I have read that can happen with floaters, and I'm still hoping for that 
for my floaters. It also could be because my cataracts are still early 
stage. Some threadiness, but also still mainly color change in the lens 
itself.
Though disappointed they are not gone, after a year of very expensive 
eye drops plus other measures, I would hate to stop the drops and then 
have them get much worse. Maybe for me simply stopping or greatly 
slowing progression is good enough. With my vision as it is, I am not 
nearly ready for surgery yet.

sol


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Re: CSTest post re stripping headers

[needling around]

And I thank you, Mike.  For your understanding and courtesy as well as your 
technical skills.

PT

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From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: CSTest post re stripping headers



Heya Sol,

The presence or absence of read reciept requests from anybody has now
been rendered moot by a global setting that strips such headers from
all mail to the list.

It is always possible that some new abberation of e-mail protocols will
cause problems or annoyances in the future, but at least the 3
different versions of such requests that I know about are now being
automatically stripped.

Generally it is poor etiquette to indiscriminately subject others to
such requests. Most competent mail programs or systems will allow you
to completely (and silently) ignore such requests. Those of you being
subjected to pop-ups are being harassed needlessly by your own
software. You should be able to configure your setup to ignore them and
not bother you at all.

Just as important, though, is that no well designed system should make
it so inconvenient to turn the request feature on and off that someone
like PT would be reluctant to accommodate the preferences of his
recipients on an individual basis.

Under the old configuration, if PT was unwilling or unable to turn off
requests, I would have been forced to exclude them from participation
in the list. Being able to quickly and easily solve the issue by
technical means, allows us the luxury of ignoring the issue instead.

Be well,

Mike Devour
silver-list owner

Sol writes:

oops!  once again I should have caught completely up on the list before
replying..sheesh, But does this mean both PTs email receipt
requests have been turned off for this list AND the global settings for
the silverlist also will stop future requests from others? or just that
the change in silverlist settings worked, but the receipt requests are
still attached to PTs emails? (not cirticizing or carping, I want to
know for my own information, thanks) sol


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CSarchives

[needling around]

Hello,
People have written about archives.  I went to eskimo.com but was unable to 
find the silver-list archives.  Would someone mind telling me where to look?
Thanks.
PT

Re: CSAnother place to get the movies

[Annie B Smythe]

Well the way I see it, if he ate less than he 
claimed, that only makes the food worse not 
better. And I don't listen to one person who makes 
a splash by trying to debunk. That's as bad as 
listening to one debunker about CS or anything 
else. So we will have to agree to respectfully 
disagree.


Annie
Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


sol wrote:

Annie B Smythe wrote:
Well if you watched the film, he set up rules for the experiment at 
the very beginning. He had to eat three meals a day, he had to eat 
every item on the menu, and he could only supersize the order if they 
asked him if he wanted to supersize it. He stuck by the rules for the 
experiment. Overall I think he did a great job of showing how 
unhealthy the stuff is.
Sinece he won't let anyone see his food original or copies of his 
original food logs who knows what he really ate? Certainly from what I 
see in Fathead his math does not add up. There is apparently no way he 
could have eaten only what he said he ate and consumed the number of 
calories he claims. So if that is true, he MUST be lying. At any rate he 
fudged his math, and it is hard to believe so many people just swallow 
it without at least checking his arithmetic.

sol



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Re: CSAnother place to get the movies

[sol]

Annie B Smythe wrote:
Well the way I see it, if he ate less than he claimed, that only makes 
the food worse not better. And I don't listen to one person who makes 
a splash by trying to debunk. That's as bad as listening to one 
debunker about CS or anything else. So we will have to agree to 
respectfully disagree.


Not to carry this on forever, but I have my own standards for 
debunking. If someone points out a lie in something, that I can 
confirm with a few seconds on my calculator, I believe the debunker and 
not the liar.

sol


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Re: CSAnother place to get the movies

[Annie B Smythe]

The point of the movie was to demonstrate how 
unhealthy the food is, and he did that, whether 
the calories match up according to whomever or not.


Annie

Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


sol wrote:

Annie B Smythe wrote:
Well the way I see it, if he ate less than he claimed, that only makes 
the food worse not better. And I don't listen to one person who makes 
a splash by trying to debunk. That's as bad as listening to one 
debunker about CS or anything else. So we will have to agree to 
respectfully disagree.


Not to carry this on forever, but I have my own standards for 
debunking. If someone points out a lie in something, that I can 
confirm with a few seconds on my calculator, I believe the debunker and 
not the liar.

sol


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Re: CSarchives

[needling around]

Thank you.  That worked.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: Norton, Steve 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 7:33 PM
  Subject: Re: CSarchives


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  Sent: Fri Mar 19 18:12:14 2010
  Subject: CSarchives 


  Hello,
  People have written about archives.  I went to eskimo.com but was unable to 
find the silver-list archives.  Would someone mind telling me where to look?
  Thanks.
  PT

Re: CSliposomal Vit C

[Dan Nave]

James,

There isno bicarbonate of soda which contains aluminum.

Bob's Red Mill doesn't contain less aluminium than any other brand.

If you have actual proof to the contrary, please post it.

Dan

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:52 AM, James Lembeck rb1...@yahoo.com wrote:

   Sodium bicarb will increase the pH considerably, sodium ascorbate would
 not have the same affect. It appears that he wants to increase pH, thus the
 inclusion of Na+ Bicarb, I am not sure I understand why you want to deviate
 from his recipe? Na+ bicarb is cheap, just make sure that you buy the
 aluminum free type. Bob's Red Mill distributes such a product, and maybe
 even Rumford


 Dr. Lembeck

 Website - health-compendium.com

Re: CSliposomal Vit C

[James Lembeck]

I know Bob's Red Mill doesn't contain aluminum because I have the C of A, as 
for other brands, you would have to obtain a similar document to make that 
determination yourself. Baking powders and soda's offered by companies will 
state that their product does, or does not contain aluminum on the label. This 
has to be done on a product by product basis. A lot depends on where the 
material originates.

Not sure where you are getting your info from, if you have documentation to the 
contrary please post it. 

Regards,
Dr. Lembeck

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From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: CSliposomal Vit C
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 6:21 PM

James,
 
There isno bicarbonate of soda which contains aluminum.
 
Bob's Red Mill doesn't contain less aluminium than any other brand.
 
If you have actual proof to the contrary, please post it.
 
Dan


On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:52 AM, James Lembeck rb1...@yahoo.com wrote:





Sodium bicarb will increase the pH considerably, sodium ascorbate would not 
have the same affect. It appears that he wants to increase pH, thus the 
inclusion of Na+ Bicarb, I am not sure I understand why you want to deviate 
from his recipe? Na+ bicarb is cheap, just make sure that you buy the aluminum 
free type. Bob's Red Mill distributes such a product, and maybe even 
Rumford 


Dr. Lembeck

Website - health-compendium.com

Re: CSliposomal Vit C

[James Lembeck]

In addition I should have mentioned that it also depends on its country of 
origin, several years ago there was a big problem with sodium bicarb coming out 
of China that contained excessive amounts of heavy metals. It can be mined, and 
or processed chemically to make it commercially viable, there are 6 different 
grades, the grades uses vary according to the desired application. A lot 
depends on how it is processed, and what it is processed with that will 
determine the purity of the final product.



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From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: CSliposomal Vit C
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 6:21 PM

James,
 
There isno bicarbonate of soda which contains aluminum.
 
Bob's Red Mill doesn't contain less aluminium than any other brand.
 
If you have actual proof to the contrary, please post it.
 
Dan


On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:52 AM, James Lembeck rb1...@yahoo.com wrote:





Sodium bicarb will increase the pH considerably, sodium ascorbate would not 
have the same affect. It appears that he wants to increase pH, thus the 
inclusion of Na+ Bicarb, I am not sure I understand why you want to deviate 
from his recipe? Na+ bicarb is cheap, just make sure that you buy the aluminum 
free type. Bob's Red Mill distributes such a product, and maybe even 
Rumford 


Dr. Lembeck

Website - health-compendium.com

CS Lecithin, Bi-carb.

[Harold MacDonald]

The lecithin I use is labeled, from NON GMO seed stock,NON Irradiated,and has 
the seal of The Rabbinical Council of B.C.
It does not clump,no odor,is free running,a nice golden color and is very 
mild,a bit of a nutty,buttery taste.
The Bi-carbonate of soda I have states on it that it is Aluminum free.

Harold

Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS

[poast]

Hello Marshall,

It has been a couple of days now, and there is some silver that is now
covering the bottom of my bottle.

I added some baking soda to the solution and brought the PH up to 6.7.  The
ORP now reads around 20.  I believe the earlier reading was around 186, so
there seems to be some relationship to PH.  While 20 is not quite 0, it is
pretty close, and I am still a little acidic with the solution.

The amount of silver on the bottom of the bottle looks to be about the same
as was observed in the other bottle.

Tom


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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS


 Hello Marshall,

 In theory you are correct.  IF all of the silver oxide has been converted
to
 silver metal, the ORP should read 0.

 However, I have found that ORP measurement can be less than exact under
 certain conditions.  I use it as a general indicator and to monitor
change.

 For example, if you have a pond with some fish in it and the ORP of the
pond
 water drops below around 250 algae will begin to form.  However, if you
 raise the ORP of the water to above around 550, you will kill the fish.

 You can use the same numbers for the water for cut flowers or for a cut
 Christmas tree.  When the ORP of the water drops below 250, stemic rot
will
 form and a biofilm will form in the container.  This will block the plants
 ability to absorb water and the flower or tree will quickly dry out.  If
you
 use water that has an ORP much above 550, you will poison the flowers or
 tree, and they will quickly dry out.  If you use water in the sweet
range,
 you will double the life of the flowers or tree.

 H2O2 starts out with an ORP of around 450.  This level drops as the H2O2
 ages.

 When purifying water with chlorine or chlorine dioxide you want the ORP to
 be above 650.

 I seem to remember that there may be a loose relationship between ORP and
 PH.  I may be above 0 because the PH of the solution is below neutral.
I'll
 add some baking soda to the solution to bring the PH to 7 and measure the
 ORP again.

 Tom


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 From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 6:19 AM
 Subject: Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS


  So, if I am understanding this correctly, the more positive the ORP is,
  the more oxidative it is.  Thus the drop in the ORP would indicate that
  something that was oxidative (silver oxide) has been reduced (now silver
  metal).  Unless I am misinterpreting, that is what I would expect.
  However if all the silver was reduced though, the question for me is,
  what is still there that is oxidizing, that is why is the ORP not 0?
 
  Marshall


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