CS>Giardia, etc

[finplan65]

Is there one type-of the three types- of silver that has been found to be more 
effective internally against such undesirables as Giardia and tapeworm cysts? 
Thank you for all the info found in this forum.

CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?

[Alex Flex]

Hello Guys...

Iam a bit confused, as far as I understand there exists 3 types of CS i 
know of: a.) Ionic based (What we all produce at home and prefer, b.) 
Particle based (which is said to not be able to kill pathogens because 
it lacks the positive charge that atracts negatively charged pathogens) 
and c.) The Ag4O4 compund which has the ability to steal multiple 
electronics instead of one comapred to the ION which can only steal one.


My question is:

a.) Who makes this compound? I have seen ASAP from American Biotech Labs 
(http://amsilver.com/ablDifference1.html) however their patent ( 
http://www.google.com/patents/US7135195 ) tells about making colloids 
(99% particles) so I dont understand how they get the Ag4O4 coating? Or 
os it that simply but doing an HVAC process we automatically get the 
Ag4O4 coatings on the particles?


b.) Does anybody know of other products that work with Ag4O4?

Thanks

Alex



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CS>Re: SilverCillin (Attn David AuBuchon)

[David AuBuchon]

Hi Alex,

In that thread, go down and find a link to this patent:
http://www.google.com/patents/US7135195

Then on the left side of the screen, click on the thumbnail image of the actual 
paper.  That opens up the entire patent and you can read it.  In it, they 
mention peroxide, alternating high voltage, and 97% particles.

In their own words:

"We disclose a colorless composition comprising silver particles and water, 
wherein said particles comprise an interior of elemental silver and an exterior 
of ionic silver oxide, wherein the silver particles are present in the water at 
a level of about 5–40 ppm..."


David



 From: Alex Flex 
To: David AuBuchon ; silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: SilverCillin (Attn David AuBuchon)
 

Hello David,
This is a followup of your post you did earlier this year on SilverCillin 
http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg144470.html You say that 
ABL is making CS via the HVAC process , probably using  Petroxide and giving 
97% particles.. Can you please state exactly where you saw this? As far as I 
understand ABL is making silver tetroxide Ag4O4 (Source: 
http://amsilver.com/ablDifference1.html) , which is not mainly particles, the 
ONLY product I know that is aimed to be 97-99% only particles is Meso Silver 
which they clearly state in their site. (Source: 
http://www.purestcolloids.com/ionic.htm )
Can you please confirm if my statements are correct, or if I missed something ?
Thanks,
 Alex

Re: CS>magnetic stirrer

[polo]

The Ika "squids" are advertised at RPM speeds at 0-2500 with 50 RPM increments 
on the dial which would mean the low speed of these models should be around 50 
RPM.

doug


  - Original Message - 
  From: bob Larson 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 1:55 PM
  Subject: RE: CS>magnetic stirrer


  i have one, a "color squid" european model with a speed control knob that 
gets pretty slow... haven't timed it

RE: CS>magnetic stirrer

[bob Larson]

i have one, a "color squid" european model with a speed control knob that
gets pretty slow... haven't timed it


  _  

From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net] 
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 5:36 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>magnetic stirrer




  I've not seen one that would run at less than 200 RPM

Ode


At 11:09 AM 11/30/2012 -0800, you wrote:



Aggregation is also created by a standard laboratory magnetic stirrer.

Re: CS>swimming pools using CS

[Tel Tofflemire]

Sandee, I used to have a pool 20 years ago and they had Colloidal Silver 
Floaters that were full of CS and they lasted a long time.  Had 2 in my pool.

 
Tel Tofflemire



 From: Sandee George 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: CS>swimming pools using CS
 

They now have silver filters on the new pool systems, I have a friend who has 
one here, and the water
is amazing to swim in and if you are drowning swallow 
Cheers to all
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Re: CS>Special CS Silvercillin patent (*99% silver particles) - Possible to produce it at home?

[PT Ferrance]

Thanks.
PT





From: James McDonald 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, December 1, 2012 12:00:59 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Special CS Silvercillin patent (*99% silver particles) - 
Possible to produce it at home?

Use Sodium Carbonate as the electrolyte.Use one of the following 
stabilizer/reducing agents: Sodium Citrate, Maltodextrin, Cinnamon extract, 
Glucose/Fructose/Karo Corn Syrup. This will give you Stabilized Metallic Silver.



 From: PT Ferrance 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Special CS Silvercillin patent (*99% silver particles) - 
Possible to produce it at home?
 

Thanks... but it now seems that it is the least preferred form of CS/EIS
PT





From: Marshall 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, November 29, 2012 10:33:51 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Special CS Silvercillin patent (*99% silver particles) - 
Possible to produce it at home?

Add a pinch of ascorbic acid.

Marshall

On 11/28/2012 8:36 PM, PT Ferrance wrote: 
How does one "reduce" ionic silver to colloidal silver?
>Thanks.
>PT
>
>
>
>

From: James McDonald 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Sent: Wed,   November 28, 2012 8:34:29 PM
>Subject: Re: CS>Special CS Silvercillin patent (*99% silver   
>particles) - Possible to produce it at home?
>
>Reduce ionic silver to colloidal silver. Best to do while 
>generating 
>the ionic to reduce it
>
>

 From: mgperrault 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 5:35 PM
>Subject: Re: CS>Special CS Silvercillin patent (*99% 
>silver 
>particles) - Possible to produce it at home?
> 
>Silver citrate would be mainly particles?
>
>On 11/28/2012 2:35 PM, Marshall wrote:
>> Frank Key produces colloidal silver in the 90 plus % area.  
>> Not 
>>inexpensive though.  I think it can be produced by sputtering.
>> 
>> Marshall
>> 
>> On 11/28/2012 2:49 PM, Alex Flex wrote:
>>> Hello My name is Alex iam new here.
>>> 
>>> As some of you may know there is a patent   for 
>>> Silvercillin (I 
>>>think its http://www.google.com/patents/US7135195 ).
>>> 
>>> Questions:
>>> 
>>> a.) If iam not mistaken whats special about this CS is that 
>>> is 
>>>has 99% Silver Particles and not IONS, can somebody please 
>>>confirm this?
>>> b.) Id like to know if I can make this at home Iam willing 
>>> to 
>>>invest some money if necessary, or perhaps buy a generator 
>>>capable of doing this?
>>> c.) If the answer to B is that the procedure is very 
>>> complex, 
>>>does anybody know of lab proof CS manufacturers that can 
>>>deliver 
>>>this at a reasonable price?
>>> 
>>> Thanks all!!!
>>> 
>>> -- Alex
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Re: CS>concentrated CS

[Kirsteen Wright]

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:58 AM,  wrote:

> The same way one makes a reduction sauce...evaporation.
> But I don't see the point.
> Simply take more, homemade CS is practically free.
>

Well I was thinking, when my daughter visits me, 50ml is the maximum amount
of liquid allowed on the plane so if I could concentrate my home made EIS
then it would last her longer as she'd be able to take less - no?

Cheers
Kirsteen


>
>

Re: CS>Special CS Silvercillin patent (*99% silver particles) -> Partially answered.

[Ode Coyote]

  SWAP is Square Wave Alternating  Polarity
IOW  AC output at a REALLY SLOW frequency [2-5 minutes phase duration ] so 
low voltages will do something other than emit, then suck ions back onto 
the electrodes.


Voltage controls ion velocity...at 60 Hz it takes a couple of thousand 
volts to get the ions far enough away from the electrodes to not get sucked 
back on when the polarity changes.


Ode


At 02:00 PM 11/30/2012 -0600, you wrote:

Hello Ode,

Thank you so much for your comprehensive answer... indeed I have seen a 
patent and it does mention the addition of H2O2.


Suppose I experiment with the H2O2 and EIS, other then methods of 
observing colors, etc... Is it easy to send this to a lab and have them 
analize a sample to determine the % of particles, and size? Just to 
confirm this went perfectly?


Also what is SWAP polarity switching?

Regards,
Alex



On 11/30/2012 08:17 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:



 If you run an EIS geneator with just a touch of Hydrogen Peroxide in 
the water, it will make a high particle count...most likely pure silver 
particles [They aren't brown] by the reasoning following.


Too much H2O2 and conductivity never goes up and large mirror like silver 
flakes form and settle out, later oxidized by the Peroxide into black 
balls on the bottom of the container.


I recently ran a batch [using SWAP  polarity switching] started with 
leftovers of several other batches, one had been cleared up with H2O2 and 
I forgot it had.
SO, a small amount of peroxide was there and the batch came out with a 
very heavy milky white TE  and virtually nothing settling out. [Why did 
it do that, I asked me ?]  OH !!  That's when I remembered that peroxide 
treated batch remnant tossed in there. [6 drops of 3% per quart with 
about 1/4 cup of that in a half gallon of distilled]
Apparently, how much H2O2 used is key to controlling the particle size 
and ratio to ionic content.


Reading several patents, the use of H2O2 is mentioned.  [but not where, 
how or how much, when ..which all make a difference in the results]
 Particularly the patent for Tetrasilver Tetroxide [pure silver 
particles with an oxide coating] and several copy cats who cannot use 
that term without encountering patent infringement problems. [Like ABL 
American Biotech Labs ]
The idea promoted is that the oxides ON the sliver aid in ion exchanges 
in vivo.


If you add H2O2 to very fresh EIS, it will flash brown, an appearance 
like Tetra Silver.

 [ **IS** that Tetra Silver?   I dunno. ]
Go right ahead and try this at home.

Now, if you have an ultra centrifuge to herd those brown particulates to 
the outer regions where they can be scooped out to concentrate them 

Reduced ionic content, increased particulate content.
An AA Spec only tells total silver content regardless of form.

..and no, it's not light being absorbed that makes the 'silver 
suspension' look brown...it's the brown color of the oxide coating ON the 
silver, absorbing light.
Pure Silver reflects light in virtually all the visible spectrum...that's 
why it's used to make mirrors.
Finely divided silver dust appears white in white light...dry or in 
suspension.


Electro sputtering is done in a vacuum...hard to keep a liquid, liquid in 
a vacuum...and the vacuum, a vacuum.
But, now you CAN buy [electro sputtered ? ] nano-silver dust [mostly made 
in India for industrial applications ] from the same lab supply houses 
that sell Mild Silver Protein [MSP] powder and Silver Nitrate.


http://www.mknano.com/
  is a source

  [Oddly, STRONG Silver protein powder has less silver content than the 
Mild ]
If I recall, the average particle size of nano-silver dust  is around 5 
to 40 nanometers. [.05 to .04 microns]



Ode


At 03:22 PM 11/29/2012 -0600, you wrote:

Hello all,

Thanks for the answers, it seems that most of the answers where 
addressing why I should prefer IONs instead of PARTICLES.. to respond to 
those who suggested that can somebody please explain me why Frank Key 
(owner of MesoSilver and CS LAB) prefer particle based colloidal silver 
due to its ability to be absorped by the blood stream AND at the same 
time avoid being converted to silver chloride in the stomach as ION 
based does? (Source: 
http://www.purestcolloids.com/notcs.php 
)


I appreciate the suggestion of adding a kind of acid to convert ionic to 
particlem, but isnt there a way to generate it without adding this acid? 
I dont think Mesosilver or Silvercillin who produce pure particle liquid 
add such acids.. How do they do it?



Thanks guys.

Alex


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RE: CS>magnetic stirrer

[Ode Coyote]

  I've not seen one that would run at less than 200 RPM

Ode


At 11:09 AM 11/30/2012 -0800, you wrote:


Aggregation is also created by a standard laboratory magnetic stirrer.



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From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 5:13 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>magnetic stirrer




  It spins way too fast for making CS.
High velocity particle collisions [DC and AC out gens] enhance aggromeration.
DC gens imbedded semi conductive layers in the surface tension of 
bubbles on the electrode, creating more bubbles on that surface to collect 
particulates... builds up "GreyBeard" into the direction of the water 
flow, the structure getting progressively weaker till the current is 
strong enough to break it apart and wash chunks into the water

Solutions:
Use a very small spinner
Go to pulse width motor control to keep the starting and low speed torque.
Use a gear motor.
Just barely moving the water works best.

For 7 years Fred Sprague  [Smart Silver Jr polarity switching "AC" 
generators] had a problem he just couldn't figure out with excessive 
amounts of large flakes and chunks forming while using a fast stirrer till 
we traded setups and he used the 30 RPM gear motor stirrer with his gen.

Even his pulse width controlled stirrer was too fast.
He apologized to me for copying it.

Ode



At 11:13 AM 11/29/2012 -1000, you wrote:

Here's a project for the do-it-yourself
craftsmen. Haven't built it, just
passing on.
Smitty

http://tinyurl.com/blu6f73