Re: CS>Silver citrate production

[John Popelish]

On 03/24/2016 04:26 PM, Peter Deckers wrote:

Anyone? I hope i didn't scare everyone away :P



I'm an electrical engineer, not a chemist, so I don't 
understand the difference between silver dihydrogen citrate 
and silver citrate.  But i found this paper that describes 
several different ways to produce silver citrate from 
various other chemicals, (mostly starting with silver nitrate).


http://www.hindawi.com/journals/bca/2008/436458/

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Re: CS>Silver citrate production

[Dee]

The ones that spring to mind are Ode and John Popelish I would have thought - 
maybe Trem too.Dee

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> On 24 Mar 2016, at 20:26, Peter Deckers  wrote:
> 
> Anyone? I hope i didn't scare everyone away :P
> 
> Op maandag 21 maart 2016 heeft Peter Deckers  het 
> volgende geschreven:
>> Hi everyone,
>> I am a "long time listener and first time caller" here :-))
>> 
>> First of all i want to thank all the experts here helping out the less 
>> gifted in the field of chemistry, physics and electronics like me :-)
>> 
>> I have been reading as much as i could here involving the subjects i am 
>> interested in, but i am afraid i still need some help if possible.
>> 
>> I have been suffering over 10 years from multiple extremely resistant forms 
>> of skin problems like seborrheic dermatitis and athletes foot to name a few, 
>> and tried just about everything on the planet for it.
>> One of the things i have been experimenting with lately is silver citrate.
>> I have multiple silver generators at home, from very small like the silver 
>> pulser, to much larger like the silvergen, to a hvac system that also 
>> produce gold.(and claims to produce mainly colloids instead of ions)
>> 
>> Anyway, i would really like to try and make the "original" silver dihydrate 
>> citrate myself, because buying it in the usa is already expensive, but then 
>> shipping it to my country would double the costs..
>> Unfortunately my lvac systems are current limited so the high ppm stuff 
>> won't work. (Although the sota silver pulser seems to continue working 
>> during extremely high ppm citrate solutions, the numbers dont add up to me. 
>> F.e. I started with 3140ppm distilled water/citrate solution, but when i 
>> used the silver pulser in that, the ppm didn't increase.
>> Which if i read correctly here is because the silver combines with the 
>> citrate to form a new molecule that doesn't increase ppm because the silver 
>> isn't and extra ingredient because it combines.
>> But it could also be because my ppm meter was broken (thereafter), but soon 
>> i will have my hanna PH/ppm/EC meter repaired so i hope that can help with 
>> analysing what is happening.
>> 
>> Because the electrolysing of citrate solution seemed a bit challenging to me 
>> to know exactly what is happening, i also tried to just make ionic silver 
>> with my silvergen and just add citrate afterwards.(if that even works? 
>> Because if so why are there somany patents about the electrolysing citric 
>> acid method if it would be totally unneccesary?)
>> 
>> Again if i calculated correctly, which i am pretty sure i didn't, for my 
>> 10ppm silver i would have to add approximately 3ppm citrate in theory, 
>> right? (So the new solution would have a 13ppm total)
>> I experimented with all kind of different citrate solutions and although it 
>> did seem to help my skin more then silver alone, it wasn't enough..
>> So that is why i am trying to find the easiest and/or most reliable way to 
>> produce the full strenght silver citrate.
>> 
>> Another route i was thinking of is to just buy silver citrate and dissolve 
>> that in citric acid.
>> But again i am not sure if i understand the math.
>> I read the following here: 
>> "Silvercitrate solubility is 0.28gr/liter = 280ppm (this works out to be 
>> 58ppm of silver)"
>> I dont understand this because as far as i can find silver citrate has 63% 
>> silver content, so i would think 63% of 280ppm would mean 176ppm silver 
>> instead of 58ppm)
>> 
>> But please ignore all my questions and mistakes if someone could just tell 
>> me the best way(s) to produce the exact same as the silverion2400 product, 
>> which is supposed to have a MIC against malassezia furfur of 0.25%
>> Does that mean that silverion2400 can be diluted 400 times to still comply 
>> with the tested MIC?
>> 
>> I apologize for my incoherent and perhaps confusing writing, but i wanted 
>> the experts here to see all the things that go on in my mind :-) and the 
>> (amature) level i am still on concerning this.
>> 
>> Any help would be very much aprreciated!
>> All the best,
>> Peter

Re: CS>Silver citrate production

[Peter Deckers]

Anyone? I hope i didn't scare everyone away :P

Op maandag 21 maart 2016 heeft Peter Deckers  het
volgende geschreven:

> Hi everyone,
> I am a "long time listener and first time caller" here :-))
>
> First of all i want to thank all the experts here helping out the less
> gifted in the field of chemistry, physics and electronics like me :-)
>
> I have been reading as much as i could here involving the subjects i am
> interested in, but i am afraid i still need some help if possible.
>
> I have been suffering over 10 years from multiple extremely resistant
> forms of skin problems like seborrheic dermatitis and athletes foot to name
> a few, and tried just about everything on the planet for it.
> One of the things i have been experimenting with lately is silver citrate.
> I have multiple silver generators at home, from very small like the silver
> pulser, to much larger like the silvergen, to a hvac system that also
> produce gold.(and claims to produce mainly colloids instead of ions)
>
> Anyway, i would really like to try and make the "original" silver
> dihydrate citrate myself, because buying it in the usa is already
> expensive, but then shipping it to my country would double the costs..
> Unfortunately my lvac systems are current limited so the high ppm stuff
> won't work. (Although the sota silver pulser seems to continue working
> during extremely high ppm citrate solutions, the numbers dont add up to me.
> F.e. I started with 3140ppm distilled water/citrate solution, but when i
> used the silver pulser in that, the ppm didn't increase.
> Which if i read correctly here is because the silver combines with the
> citrate to form a new molecule that doesn't increase ppm because the silver
> isn't and extra ingredient because it combines.
> But it could also be because my ppm meter was broken (thereafter), but
> soon i will have my hanna PH/ppm/EC meter repaired so i hope that can help
> with analysing what is happening.
>
> Because the electrolysing of citrate solution seemed a bit challenging to
> me to know exactly what is happening, i also tried to just make ionic
> silver with my silvergen and just add citrate afterwards.(if that even
> works? Because if so why are there somany patents about the electrolysing
> citric acid method if it would be totally unneccesary?)
>
> Again if i calculated correctly, which i am pretty sure i didn't, for my
> 10ppm silver i would have to add approximately 3ppm citrate in theory,
> right? (So the new solution would have a 13ppm total)
> I experimented with all kind of different citrate solutions and although
> it did seem to help my skin more then silver alone, it wasn't enough..
> So that is why i am trying to find the easiest and/or most reliable way to
> produce the full strenght silver citrate.
>
> Another route i was thinking of is to just buy silver citrate and dissolve
> that in citric acid.
> But again i am not sure if i understand the math.
> I read the following here:
> "Silvercitrate solubility is 0.28gr/liter = 280ppm (this works out to be
> 58ppm of silver)"
> I dont understand this because as far as i can find silver citrate has 63%
> silver content, so i would think 63% of 280ppm would mean 176ppm silver
> instead of 58ppm)
>
> But please ignore all my questions and mistakes if someone could just tell
> me the best way(s) to produce the exact same as the silverion2400 product,
> which is supposed to have a MIC against malassezia furfur of 0.25%
> Does that mean that silverion2400 can be diluted 400 times to still comply
> with the tested MIC?
>
> I apologize for my incoherent and perhaps confusing writing, but i wanted
> the experts here to see all the things that go on in my mind :-) and the
> (amature) level i am still on concerning this.
>
> Any help would be very much aprreciated!
> All the best,
> Peter
>
>
>