Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-03-10 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
I know--I know--I just get phased when all these conflicting pieces of info 
keep popping up!  dee

On 10 Mar 2010, at 00:42, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

 Uhhh, Dee...
 Brooks says it's all good.
 He's a bonafide researcher...
 Who you gonna trust?
 
 Got that whiplash collar yet?
 
   Chuck
 Barfingnewgen: German Car Sickness.
 
 


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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-03-10 Thread Ole Alstrup
Read the original research, it is very clear.





From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, 10 March, 2010 15:47:24
Subject: Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

I know--I know--I just get phased when all these conflicting pieces of info 
keep popping up!  dee

On 10 Mar 2010, at 00:42, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

 Uhhh, Dee...
 Brooks says it's all good.
 He's a bonafide researcher...
 Who you gonna trust?
 
 Got that whiplash collar yet?
 
                     Chuck
 Barfingnewgen: German Car Sickness.
 
 


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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-03-10 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
Which bit is that Ole?  dee

On 10 Mar 2010, at 14:50, Ole Alstrup wrote:

 Read the original research, it is very clear.
 
 From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Wed, 10 March, 2010 15:47:24
 Subject: Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C
 
 I know--I know--I just get phased when all these conflicting pieces of info 
 keep popping up!  dee
 
 On 10 Mar 2010, at 00:42, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
 


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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-03-09 Thread Ole Alstrup
I have read the existing scientific research on Liposomal C. from Hickey et al. 
The higher blood values comparable to IV use are only achieved with multiple 
higher oral dosages, at 5gr or above. I have not been able to substantiate the 
98% absorption claim for lower dosages vs regular ascorbic acid/ascorbates, I 
believe it is an artificial deduction, one researcher measured the same blood 
values from 12grs of Ascorbic Acid vs 6grs of liposomal C. The question is also 
if the original commercial product (LivOn Labs) is made with whole lecithin or 
only certain phospholipid components of lecithin, this is still unclear. The 
Donasbach product seems to be made with several components, not the same as 
Livon. Also the question is if there is a special method of chelating the 
sodium ascorbate with the liposomal carrier. There is also the consideration of 
ingesting too much, perhaps toxic levels, of phospholipids with liposomal 
products. One relevant example is
 the high amount of phosphorus which can have a negative effect on calcium 
levels/absorption in the body. 





From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, 2 March, 2010 10:17:01
Subject: Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

When I ordered mine, the exchange rate was way in our favour, and it worked out 
to be about £90 and then I had to add the £20 VAT.  I didn't think this was too 
bad at all, but I don't think the dollar is that low at the moment.  I think if 
it is $145 then this is £97 in our money, so you would have to add on VAT to 
that.  I can't remember if this included postage, but maybe not.  I remember 
thinking it was all quite reasonable (apart from the bl...y VAT that is! which 
is the biggest con of all time!)  dee

On 1 Mar 2010, at 22:04, Kirsteen Wright wrote:

 
 
 On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote:
 It depends on how much it costs Kirsteen.  I order everything from iHerb 
 which is in California I believe and the postage is as low as $4 if the 
 weight is less than 3lbs.  
 
 That sounds good. They charge VAT on anything over £18 but they include the 
 cost of postage in that. I can cheerfully accept that - it was the extra £10 
 I had to pay the PO which seemed totally arbitrary to me. They couldn't even 
 explain it themselves - it was just pay up or don't get your parcel. They did 
 give me a phone no. I could phone to get an explanation but it was a premium 
 rate no so I gave up holding on before I spent even more than the original 
 cost. I guess they get you every which way :-)
 
 I wanted to order the Silver Puppy but it's made me scared as I've no idea 
 what they'll add on so I don't know if I can afford it or not.
 
 Cheers
 Kirsteen
 


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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-03-09 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
Oh Lord--I've just ordered loads of lecithin and sodium ascorbate!  I thought 
this was supposed to be good!  dee

On 9 Mar 2010, at 17:48, Ole Alstrup wrote:

 I have read the existing scientific research on Liposomal C. from Hickey et 
 al. The higher blood values comparable to IV use are only achieved with 
 multiple higher oral dosages, at 5gr or above. I have not been able to 
 substantiate the 98% absorption claim for lower dosages vs regular ascorbic 
 acid/ascorbates, I believe it is an artificial deduction, one researcher 
 measured the same blood values from 12grs of Ascorbic Acid vs 6grs of 
 liposomal C. The question is also if the original commercial product (LivOn 
 Labs) is made with whole lecithin or only certain phospholipid components of 
 lecithin, this is still unclear. The Donasbach product seems to be made with 
 several components, not the same as Livon. Also the question is if there is a 
 special method of chelating the sodium ascorbate with the liposomal carrier. 
 There is also the consideration of ingesting too much, perhaps toxic levels, 
 of phospholipids with liposomal products. One relevant example is the high 
 amount of phosphorus which can have a negative effect on calcium 
 levels/absorption in the body. 
 


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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-03-09 Thread cking001
Uhhh, Dee...
Brooks says it's all good.
He's a bonafide researcher...
Who you gonna trust?

Got that whiplash collar yet?

Chuck
Barfingnewgen: German Car Sickness.


On 3/9/2010 3:09:14 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:
 Oh Lord--I've just ordered loads of lecithin and sodium ascorbate!  I thought 
 this was supposed to be good!  dee
 
 On 9 Mar 2010, at 17:48, Ole Alstrup wrote:
 
  I have read the existing scientific research on Liposomal C. from Hickey et 
  al. The higher blood values comparable to IV use are only achieved with 
  multiple higher oral dosages, at 5gr or above. I have not been able to 
  substantiate the 98% absorption claim for lower dosages vs regular ascorbic 
  acid/ascorbates, I believe it is an artificial deduction, one researcher 
  measured the same blood values from 12grs of Ascorbic Acid vs 6grs of 
  liposomal C. The question is also if the original commercial product (LivOn 
  Labs) is made with whole lecithin or only certain phospholipid components 
  of lecithin, this is still unclear. The Donasbach product seems to be made 
  with several components, not the same as Livon. Also the question is if 
  there is a special method of chelating the sodium ascorbate with the 
  liposomal carrier. There is also the consideration of ingesting too much, 
  perhaps toxic levels, of phospholipids with liposomal products. One 
  relevant example is the high amount of phosphorus which can have a negative 
  effect on calcium levels/absorption in the body.
 
 
 


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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-03-02 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
When I ordered mine, the exchange rate was way in our favour, and it worked out 
to be about £90 and then I had to add the £20 VAT.  I didn't think this was too 
bad at all, but I don't think the dollar is that low at the moment.  I think if 
it is $145 then this is £97 in our money, so you would have to add on VAT to 
that.  I can't remember if this included postage, but maybe not.  I remember 
thinking it was all quite reasonable (apart from the bl...y VAT that is! which 
is the biggest con of all time!)  dee

On 1 Mar 2010, at 22:04, Kirsteen Wright wrote:

 
 
 On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote:
 It depends on how much it costs Kirsteen.  I order everything from iHerb 
 which is in California I believe and the postage is as low as $4 if the 
 weight is less than 3lbs.  
 
 That sounds good. They charge VAT on anything over £18 but they include the 
 cost of postage in that. I can cheerfully accept that - it was the extra £10 
 I had to pay the PO which seemed totally arbitrary to me. They couldn't even 
 explain it themselves - it was just pay up or don't get your parcel. They did 
 give me a phone no. I could phone to get an explanation but it was a premium 
 rate no so I gave up holding on before I spent even more than the original 
 cost. I guess they get you every which way :-)
 
 I wanted to order the Silver Puppy but it's made me scared as I've no idea 
 what they'll add on so I don't know if I can afford it or not.
 
 Cheers
 Kirsteen
 


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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-03-01 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
You're absolutely right Chuck!  I do go into panic mode somewhat easily I must 
confess!  I have now sent off for the lecithin granules and am going to give 
the liposomal thing a whirl, so will no doubt there will be further hysterical 
out-pourings in a week or so lol!  dee

On 1 Mar 2010, at 01:16, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

 Dee,
 You'd best get yourself a whiplash collar.
 All that thrashing about is going to do yourself a mischief (loved
 that phrase).
 
   Chuck
 Jeffrey's favorite recipes: Baked Alaskan.
 
 On 2/28/2010 12:40:45 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:


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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-03-01 Thread Alan Jones
From my original post in this thread:

Bill Henderson's Cancer Free newsletter mentions this new, inexpensive
source of Liposomal vitamin C.  It's softgels and works out to about 30
cents per gram, verses $1.33 per gram from Livon Labs, and about 15 cents
for the homemade stuff.  I haven't tried it but am tempted...

http://www.healthyitems.com/liposomal-vitamin-C-p/620.htm
http://www.healthyitems.com/liposomal-vitamin-C-p/620.htm

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Kina Ghos kina...@gmail.com wrote:

 Alan,
 What is that cheaper source of LET Vitamin C that you are talking about?
 And how cheap is it?
 Wazir

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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-03-01 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
This looked really good until I got to the postage!  It got to $28 for the 
postage which was more than the Vit C!  dee

On 1 Mar 2010, at 15:50, Alan Jones wrote:

 From my original post in this thread:
 
 Bill Henderson's Cancer Free newsletter mentions this new, inexpensive source 
 of Liposomal vitamin C.  It's softgels and works out to about 30 cents per 
 gram, verses $1.33 per gram from Livon Labs, and about 15 cents for the 
 homemade stuff.  I haven't tried it but am tempted...
 
 http://www.healthyitems.com/liposomal-vitamin-C-p/620.htm
 
 
 On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Kina Ghos kina...@gmail.com wrote:
 Alan,
 What is that cheaper source of LET Vitamin C that you are talking about? And 
 how cheap is it?
 Wazir
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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-03-01 Thread Kirsteen Wright
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote:

 This looked really good until I got to the postage!  It got to $28 for the
 postage which was more than the Vit C!  dee

 I'm afraid I've got really wary of ordering stuff from the US. Last order i
got came to $39 plus $15 for postage. i then had to pay £2+ tax which I
didn't mind but the PO added on a £10 ($14.88) 'handling charge' and
wouldn't release it til I'd paid this. How they can justify a handling
charge when they didn't even deliver it and postage had already been paid in
full, I don't know, but there it is, I didn't have much choice.


Cheers
Kirsteen


Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-03-01 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
It depends on how much it costs Kirsteen.  I order everything from iHerb which 
is in California I believe and the postage is as low as $4 if the weight is 
less than 3lbs.  If it costs over a certain amount (which I can't remember) 
then you have to pay VAT like I did when I got my generator.  Most things I 
order are under $20 though, and I never pay tax on these.  If I am on anywhere 
but iHerb I always go to checkout and find out what the postage is going to be. 
 Usually I have to cancel because the cost is prohibitive.  dee

On 1 Mar 2010, at 18:50, Kirsteen Wright wrote:

 
 
 On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote:
 This looked really good until I got to the postage!  It got to $28 for the 
 postage which was more than the Vit C!  dee
 
 I'm afraid I've got really wary of ordering stuff from the US. Last order i 
 got came to $39 plus $15 for postage. i then had to pay £2+ tax which I 
 didn't mind but the PO added on a £10 ($14.88) 'handling charge' and wouldn't 
 release it til I'd paid this. How they can justify a handling charge when 
 they didn't even deliver it and postage had already been paid in full, I 
 don't know, but there it is, I didn't have much choice.
 
 
 Cheers
 Kirsteen


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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-03-01 Thread Kirsteen Wright
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote:

 It depends on how much it costs Kirsteen.  I order everything from iHerb
 which is in California I believe and the postage is as low as $4 if the
 weight is less than 3lbs.


That sounds good. They charge VAT on anything over £18 but they include the
cost of postage in that. I can cheerfully accept that - it was the extra £10
I had to pay the PO which seemed totally arbitrary to me. They couldn't even
explain it themselves - it was just pay up or don't get your parcel. They
did give me a phone no. I could phone to get an explanation but it was a
premium rate no so I gave up holding on before I spent even more than the
original cost. I guess they get you every which way :-)

I wanted to order the Silver Puppy but it's made me scared as I've no idea
what they'll add on so I don't know if I can afford it or not.

Cheers
Kirsteen


Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-03-01 Thread Jonathan B. Britten
I second that.  iHerb has amazing rates.   Even very heavy items -- 
coconut oil for example -- to Japan are cheap from iHerb, because they 
use a Japanese-based shipping company, Yamato transport.



On Tuesday, Mar 2, 2010, at 05:22 Asia/Tokyo, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

If I am on anywhere but iHerb I always go to checkout and find out 
what the postage is going to be. 



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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-02-28 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
Have you had any benefits from this Chuck?  dee

On 19 Feb 2010, at 00:21, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

 Dee,
 As a personal experiment,
 dissolve a teaspoon of vitamin C powder in a glass of water...
 Taste it.
 Pretty much sour as unsweetened lemonade?
 
 Put it in a blender...
 add a tablespoon of lecithin granules...
 Blend for at least a full minute...
 Taste it.
 
 Much milder?
 
 If so,
 add another teaspoon of C powder, and blend some more...
 Taste it...
 Still mild?
 
 Here is a way of getting large amounts of C into you and still be
 palatable.
 Bowel tolerance is also improved.
 Up to your individual tolerance, of course.
 
 The ultrasonic cleaner method takes this to another level.
 I've done 50 grams of ascorbic acid before I decided it was enough.
 
   Chuck
 Frisbeetarianism is the belief that when you die, your soul goes up on
 the roof and gets stuck.
 
 
 On 2/18/2010 1:42:56 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:
 For me it is too expensive though, as the Vit C is only $20 but the
 postage is $28!  I asked them why they
 don't use a less expensive carrier than USPS but they say that is the only 
 one they will use.  A real shame.  I buy from iHerb lots of things and they 
 use DHL which is $12 and an International company which is only $4!  DHL 
 only take three days to get it here to the UK as well. Brilliant!  Trouble 
 is, they don't
 stock the liposomal stuff!  dee
 
 On 18 Feb 2010, at 17:35, Alan Jones wrote:
 
 I haven't tried this new source yet but I'm considering it, and I have
 the HF US cleaner.  This new C is about 30 cents per gram, and BB claims
 the homemade stuff is about 15 cents per gram.  BUT I believe he claims
 only 50-75 percent is encapsulated; if 50 percent then the pre-made stuff
 is a no-brainer.
 
 Alan
 
 
 
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RE: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-02-28 Thread Louise Larabie
It might give one more vitality if real vit C was use rather than the
synthetic ascorbic acid.
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=350 can not even
cure scurvy with high doses of ascorbic acid!!  But you do not also not gain
vitality.

Personally I would not use ascorbic acid as it does not IMO improve your
health (and 80% is made in China to boot) that is why it is so cheap. And
Ascorbic acid is not equal to vit C!!!

Louise

 
 On 18 Feb 2010, at 17:35, Alan Jones wrote:
 
 I haven't tried this new source yet but I'm considering it, and I have
 the HF US cleaner.  This new C is about 30 cents per gram, and BB claims
 the homemade stuff is about 15 cents per gram.  BUT I believe he claims
 only 50-75 percent is encapsulated; if 50 percent then the pre-made stuff
 is a no-brainer.
 
 Alan
 
 
 


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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-02-28 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
Oh my goodness!   Now I'm back to the no supplements thing because of upsetting 
the balance of things!  I've just bought a tub of sodium ascorbate as well!  dee

On 28 Feb 2010, at 13:10, Louise Larabie wrote:

 It might give one more vitality if real vit C was use rather than the
 synthetic ascorbic acid.
 http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=350 can not even
 cure scurvy with high doses of ascorbic acid!!  But you do not also not gain
 vitality.
 
 Personally I would not use ascorbic acid as it does not IMO improve your
 health (and 80% is made in China to boot) that is why it is so cheap. And
 Ascorbic acid is not equal to vit C!!!
 
 Louise
 
 


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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-02-28 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
I have just dug deeper and the Vitamin C Foundation actually refute this 
article Louise.  They printed it but show in another article that it is WRONG.  
I believe Brooks Bradley has also done a lot of research involving ascorbic 
acid with much success also.  They say that the work done by Linus Pauling is 
correct and that ascorbic acid *is* Vitamin C.  Please ignore my hysterical 
post below--sanity has returned!  dee

On 28 Feb 2010, at 17:13, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

 Oh my goodness!   Now I'm back to the no supplements thing because of 
 upsetting the balance of things!  I've just bought a tub of sodium ascorbate 
 as well!  dee
 
 On 28 Feb 2010, at 13:10, Louise Larabie wrote:
 
 It might give one more vitality if real vit C was use rather than the
 synthetic ascorbic acid.
 http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=350 can not even
 cure scurvy with high doses of ascorbic acid!!  But you do not also not gain
 vitality.
 
 Personally I would not use ascorbic acid as it does not IMO improve your
 health (and 80% is made in China to boot) that is why it is so cheap. And
 Ascorbic acid is not equal to vit C!!!
 
 Louise
 
 
 
 


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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-02-28 Thread sol

At 10:40 AM 2/28/2010, you wrote:
I have just dug deeper and the Vitamin C Foundation actually refute 
this article Louise.  They printed it but show in another article 
that it is WRONG.  I believe Brooks Bradley has also done a lot of 
research involving ascorbic acid with much success also.  They say 
that the work done by Linus Pauling is correct and that ascorbic 
acid *is* Vitamin C.  Please ignore my hysterical post below--sanity 
has returned!  dee


Not to mention the fact that all mammals who make their own vit C in 
house make ascorbic acid, not natural vit C with bioflavonoids. 
That is the convincer for me.
Vit C IS ascorbic acid. Add bioflavonoids if you wish..you 
can purchase ascorbic acid that is not from China, but it is very 
expensive, there are links to it on the vit C foundation site.

sol


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RE: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-02-28 Thread cking001
Uhhh
You'd best read the whole page in your link...
The rebuttals and comments are more convincing than the sales
promotion.

Chuck
I asked her her name. She said, 'It's Pataka.' I said, 'That's an
unusual name. You don't hear that every day.' To which she replied,
'Actually, I do.'


On 2/28/2010 8:10:55 AM, Louise Larabie (louis...@gozoom.ca) wrote:
 It might give one more vitality if real vit C was use rather than the
 synthetic ascorbic acid.
 http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=350 can not even
 cure scurvy with high doses of ascorbic acid!!  But you do not also not
 gain
 vitality.
 
 Personally I would not use ascorbic acid as it does not IMO improve your
 health (and 80% is made in China to boot) that is why it is so cheap. And
 Ascorbic acid is not equal to vit C!!!
 
 Louise
 
 
  On 18 Feb 2010, at 17:35, Alan Jones wrote:
 
  I haven't tried this new source yet but I'm considering it, and I
 have
  the HF US cleaner.  This new C is about 30 cents per gram, and BB
 claims
  the homemade stuff is about 15 cents per gram.  BUT I believe he
 claims
  only 50-75 percent is encapsulated; if 50 percent then the pre-made
 stuff
  is a no-brainer.
 
  Alan
 


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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-02-28 Thread cking001
Dee,
I've been a C freak since Pauling first book on it in the seventies,
so I've seen great benefit all that time.

I'm excited about Brook's process for Lipo C because it gives us a way
to approximate IV treatment with super dosages.
My approach is semi-cautious in that my plan is to do this once a week
and observe.
Google vitamin C and IV
It's too early to draw any conclusions except that the method is
feasable.

My regular daily dose will continue as is.
I continue to be a clinical study of one...

Chuck
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On 2/28/2010 7:37:00 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:
 Have you had any benefits from this Chuck?  dee
 
 On 19 Feb 2010, at 00:21, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
 
  Dee,
  As a personal experiment,
  dissolve a teaspoon of vitamin C powder in a glass of water...
  Taste it.
  Pretty much sour as unsweetened lemonade?
 
  Put it in a blender...
  add a tablespoon of lecithin granules...
  Blend for at least a full minute...
  Taste it.
 
  Much milder?
 
  If so,
  add another teaspoon of C powder, and blend some more...
  Taste it...
  Still mild?
 
  Here is a way of getting large amounts of C into you and still be
  palatable.
  Bowel tolerance is also improved.
  Up to your individual tolerance, of course.
 
  The ultrasonic cleaner method takes this to another level.
 
 I've done 50 grams of ascorbic acid before I decided it was enough.
 
  Chuck
  Frisbeetarianism is the belief that when you die, your soul goes up on
  the roof and gets stuck.
 
 
  On 2/18/2010 1:42:56 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:
  For me it is 


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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-02-28 Thread Kina Ghos
Chuck,
Have you ever tried to liposome any other nutrients? I want to try,
especially, with Glutathione. But don't know how. Do you have any
suggestion?
Wazir

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:21 PM, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

 Dee,
 As a personal experiment,
 dissolve a teaspoon of vitamin C powder in a glass of water...
 Taste it.
 Pretty much sour as unsweetened lemonade?

 Put it in a blender...
 add a tablespoon of lecithin granules...
 Blend for at least a full minute...
 Taste it.

 Much milder?

 If so,
 add another teaspoon of C powder, and blend some more...
 Taste it...
 Still mild?

 Here is a way of getting large amounts of C into you and still be
 palatable.
 Bowel tolerance is also improved.
 Up to your individual tolerance, of course.

 The ultrasonic cleaner method takes this to another level.
 I've done 50 grams of ascorbic acid before I decided it was enough.

Chuck
 Frisbeetarianism is the belief that when you die, your soul goes up on
 the roof and gets stuck.


 On 2/18/2010 1:42:56 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:
  For me it is too expensive though, as the Vit C is only $20 but the
  postage is $28!  I asked them why they
  don't use a less expensive carrier than USPS but they say that is the
 only one they will use.  A real shame.  I buy from iHerb lots of things and
 they use DHL which is $12 and an International company which is only $4!
  DHL only take three days to get it here to the UK as well. Brilliant!
  Trouble is, they don't
  stock the liposomal stuff!  dee
 
  On 18 Feb 2010, at 17:35, Alan Jones wrote:
 
   I haven't tried this new source yet but I'm considering it, and I have
  the HF US cleaner.  This new C is about 30 cents per gram, and BB claims
  the homemade stuff is about 15 cents per gram.  BUT I believe he claims
  only 50-75 percent is encapsulated; if 50 percent then the pre-made stuff
  is a no-brainer.
  
   Alan
  


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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-02-28 Thread cking001
Dee,
You'd best get yourself a whiplash collar.
All that thrashing about is going to do yourself a mischief (loved
that phrase).

Chuck
Jeffrey's favorite recipes: Baked Alaskan.

On 2/28/2010 12:40:45 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:
 I have just dug deeper and the Vitamin C Foundation actually refute this
 article Louise.  They printed it but show in another article that it is
 WRONG.  I believe Brooks Bradley has also done a lot of research involving
 ascorbic acid with much success also.  They say that the work done by
 Linus Pauling is correct and that ascorbic acid *is* Vitamin C.  Please
 ignore my hysterical post below--sanity has returned!  dee
 
 On 28 Feb 2010, at 17:13, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
  Oh my goodness!   Now
 I'm back to the no supplements thing because of upsetting the balance of 
 things!  I've
 just bought a tub of sodium ascorbate as well!  dee
 
  On 28 Feb 2010, at 13:10, Louise Larabie wrote:
 
  It might give one more vitality if real vit C was use rather than the
  synthetic ascorbic acid.
  http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=350 can not
 even
  cure scurvy with high doses of ascorbic acid!!  But you do not also
 not gain
  vitality.
 
  Personally I would not use ascorbic acid as it does not IMO improve
 your
  health (and 80% is made in China to boot) that is why it is so
 cheap.


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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-02-28 Thread Kina Ghos
Alan,
What is that cheaper source of LET Vitamin C that you are talking about? And
how cheap is it?
Wazir

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:21 PM, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

 Dee,
 As a personal experiment,
 dissolve a teaspoon of vitamin C powder in a glass of water...
 Taste it.
 Pretty much sour as unsweetened lemonade?

 Put it in a blender...
 add a tablespoon of lecithin granules...
 Blend for at least a full minute...
 Taste it.

 Much milder?

 If so,
 add another teaspoon of C powder, and blend some more...
 Taste it...
 Still mild?

 Here is a way of getting large amounts of C into you and still be
 palatable.
 Bowel tolerance is also improved.
 Up to your individual tolerance, of course.

 The ultrasonic cleaner method takes this to another level.
 I've done 50 grams of ascorbic acid before I decided it was enough.

Chuck
 Frisbeetarianism is the belief that when you die, your soul goes up on
 the roof and gets stuck.


 On 2/18/2010 1:42:56 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:
  For me it is too expensive though, as the Vit C is only $20 but the
  postage is $28!  I asked them why they
  don't use a less expensive carrier than USPS but they say that is the
 only one they will use.  A real shame.  I buy from iHerb lots of things and
 they use DHL which is $12 and an International company which is only $4!
  DHL only take three days to get it here to the UK as well. Brilliant!
  Trouble is, they don't
  stock the liposomal stuff!  dee
 
  On 18 Feb 2010, at 17:35, Alan Jones wrote:
 
   I haven't tried this new source yet but I'm considering it, and I have
  the HF US cleaner.  This new C is about 30 cents per gram, and BB claims
  the homemade stuff is about 15 cents per gram.  BUT I believe he claims
  only 50-75 percent is encapsulated; if 50 percent then the pre-made stuff
  is a no-brainer.
  
   Alan
  


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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-02-28 Thread cking001
Nope
Others are trying different stuff though...
Stay tuned...

Chuck
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On 2/28/2010 8:12:37 PM, Kina Ghos (kina...@gmail.com) wrote:
 Chuck,
 Have you ever tried to liposome any other nutrients? I want to try,
 especially, with Glutathione. But
 don't know how. Do you have any suggestion?
 Wazir
 
 On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:21 PM, cking...@nycap.rr.com [link: 
 mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] wrote:
 Dee,
 As a personal experiment,
 dissolve a teaspoon of vitamin C powder in a glass of water...
 Taste it.
 Pretty much sour as unsweetened lemonade?
 
 Put it in a blender...
 add a tablespoon of lecithin granules...
 Blend for at least a full minute...
 Taste it.
 
 Much milder?
 
 If so,
 add another teaspoon of C powder, and blend some more...
 Taste it...
 Still mild?
 
 Here is a way of getting large amounts of C into you and still be
 palatable.
 Bowel tolerance is also improved.
 Up to your individual tolerance, of course.
 
 The ultrasonic cleaner method takes this to another level.
 I've
 done 50 grams of ascorbic acid before I decided it was enough.
 
                                                Chuck
 Frisbeetarianism is the belief that when you die, your soul goes up on
 the roof and gets stuck.
 
 


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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-02-19 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
Thanks Chuck, but after Steve's post I think I am going to give up on the LET 
vit C - too risky after the other stuff I read as well!  Maybe when I've calmed 
down and have returned to some semblance of reason and sanity!  dee

On 19 Feb 2010, at 00:21, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

 Dee,
 As a personal experiment,
 dissolve a teaspoon of vitamin C powder in a glass of water...
 Taste it.
 Pretty much sour as unsweetened lemonade?
 
 Put it in a blender...
 add a tablespoon of lecithin granules...
 Blend for at least a full minute...
 Taste it.
 
 Much milder?
 
 If so,
 add another teaspoon of C powder, and blend some more...
 Taste it...
 Still mild?
 
 Here is a way of getting large amounts of C into you and still be
 palatable.
 Bowel tolerance is also improved.
 Up to your individual tolerance, of course.
 
 The ultrasonic cleaner method takes this to another level.
 I've done 50 grams of ascorbic acid before I decided it was enough.
 
   Chuck
 Frisbeetarianism is the belief that when you die, your soul goes up on
 the roof and gets stuck.
 
 


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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-02-19 Thread cking001
I would NEVER give up on C.
It was my first megadose vitamin over 30 years ago.

Chuck
Polluting New Jersey...like who's gonna notice?

On 2/19/2010 7:10:08 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:
 Thanks Chuck, but after
 Steve's post I think I am going to give up on the LET vit C - too risky after 
 the other stuff I read as well!  Maybe when I've
 calmed down and have returned to some semblance of reason and sanity!
 dee
 
 On 19 Feb 2010, at 00:21, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
 
  Dee,
  As a personal experiment,
  dissolve a teaspoon of vitamin C powder in a glass of water...
  Taste it.
  Pretty much sour as unsweetened lemonade?
 
  Put it in a blender...
  add a tablespoon of lecithin granules...
  Blend for at least a full minute...
  Taste it.
 
  Much milder?
 
  If so,
  add another teaspoon of C powder, and blend some more...
  Taste it...
  Still mild?
 
  Here is a way of getting large amounts of C into you and still be
  palatable.
  Bowel tolerance is also improved.
  Up to your individual tolerance, of course.
 
  The ultrasonic cleaner method takes this to another level.
  I've done 50 grams of ascorbic acid before I decided it was enough.
 
  Chuck
  Frisbeetarianism is the belief that when


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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-02-19 Thread Norton, Steve

Ok, now let me see if I can remove my foot from my mouth. :-) 


When I said I was leery of vitamin C and MSM I was talking relative to someone 
reversing argyria. A person with argyria has probably been taking large amounts 
of silver over a long period and has large amounts of silver stored in their 
tissues. Some of it permanently (?) deposited and a lot of it temporarly 
deposited. The two persons we know of here that have argyria were taking silver 
in amounts 4 to 5 times more than was used in the 5 month loading phase of the 
Altman study and look at how much silver had been temporarily stored in Altman 
in those 5 months. Given how much silver still resides in the tissues of an 
argyria sufferer I would be conservative and avoid anything that might convert 
it to a more permanent form. It may be that, like my suggestion with selenium, 
you wait for a period to eliminate much of the temporarily stored silver before 
adding vitamin C and MSM. 

IMO, the situation with a argyria sufferer is much different than someone using 
typical amounts of silver. A typical user will not have much if any silver 
stored in the tissues that can converted since they use amounts within the 
excretion capability of the liver and kidney.  

Currently I take vitamin C daily and MSM periodically. I am not concerned since 
I do not use excessive amounts of silver. 

BTW, Vitamin C is more a concern when silver nitrate or MSP is used. While that 
is not the case for members of the silver list there may be argyria cases where 
that is the situation and I think those persons should be extra cautious. 

I guess that I will need to be more careful what I say and to be more clear 
regarding the context of the comments. 

 - Steve N
--Original Message--
From: cking...@nycap.rr.com
To: Silverlist
ReplyTo: Silverlist
Subject: Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C
Sent: Feb 19, 2010 5:51 AM

I would NEVER give up on C.
It was my first megadose vitamin over 30 years ago.

Chuck
Polluting New Jersey...like who's gonna notice?

On 2/19/2010 7:10:08 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:
 Thanks Chuck, but after
 Steve's post I think I am going to give up on the LET vit C - too risky after 
 the other stuff I read as well!  Maybe when I've
 calmed down and have returned to some semblance of reason and sanity!
 dee
 
 On 19 Feb 2010, at 00:21, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
 
  Dee,
  As a personal experiment,
  dissolve a teaspoon of vitamin C powder in a glass of water...
  Taste it.
  Pretty much sour as unsweetened lemonade?
 
  Put it in a blender...
  add a tablespoon of lecithin granules...
  Blend for at least a full minute...
  Taste it.
 
  Much milder?
 
  If so,
  add another teaspoon of C powder, and blend some more...
  Taste it...
  Still mild?
 
  Here is a way of getting large amounts of C into you and still be
  palatable.
  Bowel tolerance is also improved.
  Up to your individual tolerance, of course.
 
  The ultrasonic cleaner method takes this to another level.
  I've done 50 grams of ascorbic acid before I decided it was enough.
 
  Chuck
  Frisbeetarianism is the belief that when


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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-02-19 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
Ok...not your fault Steve, probably mine - going into panic overdrive!  I am 
now my old calm (!) reasonable self ? so can look at it in perspective now.  
Thanks for all the info.  dee

On 19 Feb 2010, at 17:03, Norton, Steve wrote:

 
 Ok, now let me see if I can remove my foot from my mouth. :-)
 
 
 When I said I was leery of vitamin C and MSM I was talking relative to 
 someone reversing argyria. A person with argyria has probably been taking 
 large amounts of silver over a long period and has large amounts of silver 
 stored in their tissues. Some of it permanently (?) deposited and a lot of it 
 temporarly deposited. The two persons we know of here that have argyria were 
 taking silver in amounts 4 to 5 times more than was used in the 5 month 
 loading phase of the Altman study and look at how much silver had been 
 temporarily stored in Altman in those 5 months. Given how much silver still 
 resides in the tissues of an argyria sufferer I would be conservative and 
 avoid anything that might convert it to a more permanent form. It may be 
 that, like my suggestion with selenium, you wait for a period to eliminate 
 much of the temporarily stored silver before adding vitamin C and MSM.
 
 IMO, the situation with a argyria sufferer is much different than someone 
 using typical amounts of silver. A typical user will not have much if any 
 silver stored in the tissues that can converted since they use amounts within 
 the excretion capability of the liver and kidney. 
 
 Currently I take vitamin C daily and MSM periodically. I am not concerned 
 since I do not use excessive amounts of silver.
 
 BTW, Vitamin C is more a concern when silver nitrate or MSP is used. While 
 that is not the case for members of the silver list there may be argyria 
 cases where that is the situation and I think those persons should be extra 
 cautious.
 
 I guess that I will need to be more careful what I say and to be more clear 
 regarding the context of the comments.
 
  - Steve N
 



Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-02-18 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
I got on to these Alan because it looked so good, but unfortunately the postage 
is prohibitive from here.  I'm really fed up that we get so ripped off here in 
the UK.  dee

On 28 Jan 2010, at 14:48, Alan Jones wrote:

 Bill Henderson's Cancer Free newsletter mentions this new, inexpensive source 
 of Liposomal vitamin C.  It's softgels and works out to about 30 cents per 
 gram, verses $1.33 per gram from Livon Labs, and about 15 cents for the 
 homemade stuff.  I haven't tried it but am tempted...
 
 http://www.healthyitems.com/liposomal-vitamin-C-p/620.htm
 
 -- 
 Alan Jones



Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-02-18 Thread sol

Dee,
  Don't forget you can make your own Liposomal vit C very cheaply, 
per Brook's instructions posted to this list.
I've been successfully (as far as I can tell) making it with first my 
stick blender then in my Vitamix, and it is the first vit C I have 
been able to take in any dose over 250 mg. I plan to make the next 
batch in my regular blender and see if that works as well for the mixing.

sol

At 06:26 AM 2/18/2010, you wrote:
I got on to these Alan because it looked so good, but unfortunately 
the postage is prohibitive from here.  I'm really fed up that we get 
so ripped off here in the UK.  dee


On 28 Jan 2010, at 14:48, Alan Jones wrote:




http://www.healthyitems.com/liposomal-vitamin-C-p/620.htmhttp://www.healthyitems.com/liposomal-vitamin-C-p/620.htm


Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-02-18 Thread Alan Jones
I haven't tried this new source yet but I'm considering it, and I have the
HF US cleaner.  This new C is about 30 cents per gram, and BB claims the
homemade stuff is about 15 cents per gram.  BUT I believe he claims only
50-75 percent is encapsulated; if 50 percent then the pre-made stuff is a
no-brainer.

Alan

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:23 AM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote:

  Dee,
   Don't forget you can make your own Liposomal vit C very cheaply, per
 Brook's instructions posted to this list.
 I've been successfully (as far as I can tell) making it with first my stick
 blender then in my Vitamix, and it is the first vit C I have been able to
 take in any dose over 250 mg. I plan to make the next batch in my regular
 blender and see if that works as well for the mixing.
 sol


 At 06:26 AM 2/18/2010, you wrote:

 I got on to these Alan because it looked so good, but unfortunately the
 postage is prohibitive from here.  I'm really fed up that we get so ripped
 off here in the UK.  dee

 On 28 Jan 2010, at 14:48, Alan Jones wrote:



  http://www.healthyitems.com/liposomal-vitamin-C-p/620.htm




-- 
Alan Jones


Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-02-18 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
I don't know sol, I'm such a clutz at things like that!  I would worry that I 
wasn't making it right and didn't I see a post (Brooks?) that said you can't 
make it correctly in an ordinary blender?  Not that I'm saying that you are 
*not* making it properly, but just that this is what I read.  Also, isn't it a 
bit complicated?  I seem to remember some having problems with making it when 
Brooks first posted, and if this is so, then this would definitely be me! lol 
dee

On 18 Feb 2010, at 16:23, sol wrote:

 Dee,
   Don't forget you can make your own Liposomal vit C very cheaply, per 
 Brook's instructions posted to this list.
 I've been successfully (as far as I can tell) making it with first my stick 
 blender then in my Vitamix, and it is the first vit C I have been able to 
 take in any dose over 250 mg. I plan to make the next batch in my regular 
 blender and see if that works as well for the mixing.
 sol
 



Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-02-18 Thread Annie B Smythe
The thing is that you can use your cleaner to 
encapsulate othrt stuff that hasn't been 
manufactured yet. Say ohhh, maybe glutathione, or 
B vits, or minerals. As expensive as ionic and 
nano minerals are, that would be a big savings.


I'd like to try it with several different things 
and see how it goes. And for some things a 50-75% 
increase in absorbability is huge, and means you 
can take less. Like magnesium for instance, some 
magnesium types are only 10% absorbed in the GI 
tract. And glutathione is well known to be very 
poorly absorbed via the GI tract more so than even 
magnesium, a 50- 75% increase in absorbability 
would be tremendous.


So buying the cleaner makes a lot of sense to me. 
And the day I pay 20.00 for 90 caps of vitamin C 
is the day I quit buying supplements altogether. I 
really can't afford to spend that kind of money 
for one item.


Annie
Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


Alan Jones wrote:
I haven't tried this new source yet but I'm considering it, and I have 
the HF US cleaner.  This new C is about 30 cents per gram, and BB claims 
the homemade stuff is about 15 cents per gram.  BUT I believe he claims 
only 50-75 percent is encapsulated; if 50 percent then the pre-made 
stuff is a no-brainer.


Alan



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RE: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-02-18 Thread Lisa
Can someone repost these instructions?

 

I've misplaced mine and have been wondering how to get better vit C.

 

Thx.


Lisa

 

  _  

From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 11:24 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

 

Dee,
  Don't forget you can make your own Liposomal vit C very cheaply, per
Brook's instructions posted to this list.
I've been successfully (as far as I can tell) making it with first my stick
blender then in my Vitamix, and it is the first vit C I have been able to
take in any dose over 250 mg. I plan to make the next batch in my regular
blender and see if that works as well for the mixing.
sol

At 06:26 AM 2/18/2010, you wrote:



I got on to these Alan because it looked so good, but unfortunately the
postage is prohibitive from here.  I'm really fed up that we get so ripped
off here in the UK.  dee

On 28 Jan 2010, at 14:48, Alan Jones wrote:






http://www.healthyitems.com/liposomal-vitamin-C-p/620.htm



Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-02-18 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
For me it is too expensive though, as the Vit C is only $20 but the postage is 
$28!  I asked them why they don't use a less expensive carrier than USPS but 
they say that is the only one they will use.  A real shame.  I buy from iHerb 
lots of things and they use DHL which is $12 and an International company which 
is only $4!  DHL only take three days to get it here to the UK as well. 
Brilliant!  Trouble is, they don't stock the liposomal stuff!  dee

On 18 Feb 2010, at 17:35, Alan Jones wrote:

 I haven't tried this new source yet but I'm considering it, and I have the HF 
 US cleaner.  This new C is about 30 cents per gram, and BB claims the 
 homemade stuff is about 15 cents per gram.  BUT I believe he claims only 
 50-75 percent is encapsulated; if 50 percent then the pre-made stuff is a 
 no-brainer.
 
 Alan
 


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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-02-18 Thread cking001
Dee,
As a personal experiment,
dissolve a teaspoon of vitamin C powder in a glass of water...
Taste it.
Pretty much sour as unsweetened lemonade?

Put it in a blender...
add a tablespoon of lecithin granules...
Blend for at least a full minute...
Taste it.

Much milder?

If so,
add another teaspoon of C powder, and blend some more...
Taste it...
Still mild?

Here is a way of getting large amounts of C into you and still be
palatable.
Bowel tolerance is also improved.
Up to your individual tolerance, of course.

The ultrasonic cleaner method takes this to another level.
I've done 50 grams of ascorbic acid before I decided it was enough.

Chuck
Frisbeetarianism is the belief that when you die, your soul goes up on
the roof and gets stuck.


On 2/18/2010 1:42:56 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:
 For me it is too expensive though, as the Vit C is only $20 but the
 postage is $28!  I asked them why they
 don't use a less expensive carrier than USPS but they say that is the only 
 one they will use.  A real shame.  I buy from iHerb lots of things and they 
 use DHL which is $12 and an International company which is only $4!  DHL only 
 take three days to get it here to the UK as well. Brilliant!  Trouble is, 
 they don't
 stock the liposomal stuff!  dee
 
 On 18 Feb 2010, at 17:35, Alan Jones wrote:
 
  I haven't tried this new source yet but I'm considering it, and I have
 the HF US cleaner.  This new C is about 30 cents per gram, and BB claims
 the homemade stuff is about 15 cents per gram.  BUT I believe he claims
 only 50-75 percent is encapsulated; if 50 percent then the pre-made stuff
 is a no-brainer.
 
  Alan
 


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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-02-18 Thread sol

At 10:36 AM 2/18/2010, you wrote:
I don't know sol, I'm such a clutz at things like that!  I would 
worry that I wasn't making it right and didn't I see a post 
(Brooks?) that said you can't make it correctly in an ordinary 
blender?  Not that I'm saying that you are *not* making it properly, 
but just that this is what I read.  Also, isn't it a bit 
complicated?  I seem to remember some having problems with making it 
when Brooks first posted, and if this is so, then this would 
definitely be me! lol dee


I don't recall what Brooks said about using a blender, but what I am 
making stays incorporated, and does not give me the serious runs at 
even 6000 mg, and I figure even if it is not all liposomal, the C has 
to be IN THERE, so should be producing  more benefit than my previous 
max dose of 250 mg.

sol



CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-01-28 Thread Alan Jones
Bill Henderson's Cancer Free newsletter mentions this new, inexpensive
source of Liposomal vitamin C.  It's softgels and works out to about 30
cents per gram, verses $1.33 per gram from Livon Labs, and about 15 cents
for the homemade stuff.  I haven't tried it but am tempted...

http://www.healthyitems.com/liposomal-vitamin-C-p/620.htm

-- 
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RE: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-01-28 Thread Scott Adams
Thanks! I am sharing this with others, I think I will give it a try.


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From: Alan Jones [mailto:alanmjo...@gmail.com] 
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C


Bill Henderson's Cancer Free newsletter mentions this new, inexpensive
source of Liposomal vitamin C.  It's softgels and works out to about 30
cents per gram, verses $1.33 per gram from Livon Labs, and about 15 cents
for the homemade stuff.  I haven't tried it but am tempted...

http://www.healthyitems.com/liposomal-vitamin-C-p/620.htm

-- 
Alan Jones




Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-01-28 Thread Sandee George

Thanks for this one Alan - I will order and see how it works for me -
Regards
Sandee


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Re: CSnew source of Liposomal vitamin C

2010-01-28 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
This is brilliant Alan, thanks a lot.  dee

On 28 Jan 2010, at 14:48, Alan Jones wrote:

 Bill Henderson's Cancer Free newsletter mentions this new, inexpensive source 
 of Liposomal vitamin C.  It's softgels and works out to about 30 cents per 
 gram, verses $1.33 per gram from Livon Labs, and about 15 cents for the 
 homemade stuff.  I haven't tried it but am tempted...
 
 http://www.healthyitems.com/liposomal-vitamin-C-p/620.htm
 
 -- 
 Alan Jones