Re: [SLUG] Action against spam
DaZZa wrote:
I will when it is readable. Really great way to cripple the campaign
right from the start. If they are this bad with their WWW site, how bad
has their testing become.
Must be something wrong with your eyes, Terry - it's perfectly readable to
me - both the originating page, and the Choice page which it refers you to
when you "vote".
Well, if Choice tests cars like they do web sites, they'll take it out
for the suburban street ( 60kms aka 640x480) and the priority roads
(80kms aka 800x600), but some strange reason they will never take it on
an expressway or outside the city (100kms aka 1024x768+).
Choice has obviously lost the plot. I always though WWW pages were
designed to be about communication, not image. Their page is an image
page lacking technical credibility. Telstra has a similar problem.
Nope - still don't need glass to read the screen (just pretty legs down
the street {:-).
DaZZa
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Re: [SLUG] Linux Book keeping (accounting software) - URL's please
On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Terry Collins wrote: Terry Collins wrote: At tonight's meeting, there was much discussion of accounting/book keeping packages for Linux. If you have a URL, would you pass it on please? Thanks to those who responded. The page for the list I've put together is http://www.woa.com.au/linux/bookkeeping.html Currently there is no working GPL that fits my needs, so a small commercial package looks the way to go. It may be a matter of checking them all to see if I can find a match for my Computer Associates-Simply Accouting on the early version of that other OS. Proven looks interesting in this regard, at the moment, but there are a couple of freeware (don't call us) offerings on Chris Browne's list that I will also look at. I got the shits with this stuff so badly, that I have started writing my own Cash Book manager myself.. using Perl/DBI/Mysql and Curses (text based of course) It only has the data entry so far.. as thats all I needed.. But honestly.. I think it's easier to do a cash book in Gnumeric.. --- Anthony Rumble LinuxHelp http://www.LinuxHelp.com.au Phone: 0500 500 368 Direct 02-9712-1799 Mobile 0412-955-042 Fax 02-9712-3977 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] what is favicon.ico
On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Ken Yap wrote: Ok.. Heres a tux.ico for you.. http://www.linuxhelp.com.au/~smilie/tux.ico Have fun Anthony Seems it would be a good idea to create a favicon.ico loudly extolling the virtues of all thing non-M$ (8-) Uhm ... you get 16x16 pixels. Good luck extolling anything at all. Give it up folks ... it aint worth it. Really? Whipped this up in 2 minutes: --- Anthony Rumble LinuxHelp http://www.LinuxHelp.com.au Phone: 0500 500 368 Direct 02-9712-1799 Mobile 0412-955-042 Fax 02-9712-3977 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Tax Office loves Windows..
I just got my ABT number today.. And in it it talks about electronic lodgement of Tax obligation information (Activity statements).. What makes my blood boil.. is, here are the requirements to run their Electronic Lodgement.. (Which BTW is mandatory for those over a certain amount / year).. "Minimum Computing Requirements".. - Windows 95/98 or Windows NT Workstation Version 4.0 - Pentium 133 or better - 80 MB free disk space - Internet connection.. - 800 x 600 - ram.. blah - Netscape Navigator 4.07 or Microsoft Internet Explorer 4.01 - Microsoft Java Virtual Machine Build numbner 3167 or later (Comes with Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.0...) Gee... How about an open closed solution guys? --- Anthony Rumble LinuxHelp http://www.LinuxHelp.com.au Phone: 0500 500 368 Direct 02-9712-1799 Mobile 0412-955-042 Fax 02-9712-3977 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Tax Office loves Windows..
"Minimum Computing Requirements".. - Windows 95/98 or Windows NT Workstation Version 4.0 - Pentium 133 or better NT on a p133? *shudder* - 80 MB free disk space That would be a slow system. - Internet connection.. "Yes, you do need a modem to use the net..." - Common answer - 800 x 600 - ram.. blah - Netscape Navigator 4.07 or Microsoft Internet Explorer 4.01 Well at least they arent forcing IE upon us. Although for secure java i shudder to think of IE. Anyone who has delved into java applets will (hompefully) know what i mean. - Microsoft Java Virtual Machine Build numbner 3167 or later (Comes with Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.0...) on ie 4? Gee... How about an open closed solution guys? I think a cgi-bin solution ?? So it doesnt matter as long as you can send posts and read html. SSL would be a must also. They are realistic figures if you want to get picky, but java is not the best solution for something like this. What about the jones across the road who can barely afford a cracker, whom i just gave a p133 so they could do word processing and basic we stuff through a freenet or uni account? Arent we supposed to aim for the lowest common denominator? (MSCE consultants sheesh *grin* kidding) Dean -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Tax Office loves Windows..
On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Dean Hamstead wrote: - 800 x 600 - ram.. blah - Netscape Navigator 4.07 or Microsoft Internet Explorer 4.01 Well at least they arent forcing IE upon us. Although for secure java i shudder to think of IE. Anyone who has delved into java applets will (hompefully) know what i mean. I tried something.. Seeing as I have Win4Lin up and running.. so I can easily tar ball up my windows stuff.. make another copy.. (Which has Netscape for windows on it.. running fine.. as normal).. I installed IE 5.. Hmm.. Looky here.. now Netscape's Java support is flakey.. no longer does it run say.. National Australia's Banking reliably anymore.. half the time it just hangs.. or other flakey stuff.. Go back to my Pristine Non IE'ed Windows... and.. Yup... Still works.. 100%.. (For national banking).. Nasty.. Im sure they didn't do it on purpose, but im sure they left the bug there on purpose :) --- Anthony Rumble LinuxHelp http://www.LinuxHelp.com.au Phone: 0500 500 368 Direct 02-9712-1799 Mobile 0412-955-042 Fax 02-9712-3977 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Re: Squid
[v.2.3 syntax example] cache_dir ufs /var/squid/cache 4096 16 256 Whats this "ufs" line in it??? - Original Message - From: Daniel Baird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: slug [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 1:09 PM Subject: RE: [SLUG] Re: Squid | | FATAL: Unknown cache_dir type '/storage/proxy-cache' | | Squid Cache (Version 2.3.STABLE1): Terminated abnormally. | CPU Usage: 0.020 seconds = 0.010 user + 0.010 sys | Maximum Resident Size: 0 KB | Page faults with physical i/o: 175 | Version 2.3 is different in some ways to v.2.2 [v.2.3 syntax example] cache_dir ufs /var/squid/cache 4096 16 256 [v.2.2 syntax example] cache_dir /usr/local/squid/cache 200 16 256 v.2.3 now includes a cache type argument, as the error indicates. # TAG: cache_dir # Usage: # cache_dir Type Directory-Name Mbytes Level-1 Level2 # Type specifies the kind of storage system to use. Most # everyone will want to use "ufs" as the type. If you are using # Async I/O (--enable async-io) on Linux or Solaris, then you may # want to try "asyncufs" as the type. Async IO support may be # buggy, however, so beware. Regards, Daniel Baird Sysadmin/Network Engineer Network Applications Centre work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cable Wireless Optushome: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +61 2 93420940 everywhere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Increasing maximum number of users in 2.2 Kernel
On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to increase the maximum number of users from 16-bit to 32-bit with the 2.2.5-15 kernel? I know the 2.4 kernel will implement this, but I need it for the 2.2 kernel. You have more than 65k users?? If it's because of "Email".. maby you need to look at doing your mail differently.. Instead of One "Unix" user per mailbox.. Maby you need to "virtualise" it somehow.. I believe there are pop servers out there that don't need a "unix" account to work.. --- Anthony Rumble LinuxHelp http://www.LinuxHelp.com.au Phone: 0500 500 368 Direct 02-9712-1799 Mobile 0412-955-042 Fax 02-9712-3977 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Imaging Software
On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Ryan McBride wrote: Umm.. Theres a product we will be getting in called PC Parachute.. It's aparantly something that will do Harddisk image backups.. and be able to restore your system simply with a boot disk.. Not sure about over the network.. But.. Im guessing so.. When the brochures arrive, Ill check it out see if it can do it over the network.. Anthony Sorry I must not have been clear enuf. I want to store the current setup as im always tinkering and doing more damage to my box than i intended so i just wanna say, BUGGER IT, RESTORE IMAGE. So i need imaging software that i can use to image a drive over the network. - Original Message - From: Howard Lowndes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ryan McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: slug [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Imaging Software If you're looking to run Xwindows on the Windows box then there are Xservers for Windows available, otherwise VNC might be what you are wanting. Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Ryan McBride wrote: Does anyone know of imaging software i can use to image my linux box over the network from my windows box??? -- Ryan McBride (MCSE) Excelerate Computer Services Ryan: 0413-984-819 Adam: 0410-605-152 Fax: +612-9972-1459 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.excelerate.com.au "Solution to two of the worlds greatest problems. Feed the homeless to the hungry" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text --- Anthony Rumble LinuxHelp http://www.LinuxHelp.com.au Phone: 0500 500 368 Direct 02-9712-1799 Mobile 0412-955-042 Fax 02-9712-3977 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] what is SMP ?
On Mon, 28 Feb 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon Biddell wrote: So a machine with 1 cpu give 100% performance compared with 1 cpu, a machine with 2 cpus gives 175% performance compared with 1 cpu, a machine... .. with n cpus gives m% perfromance""1cpu. Almost I don't really care what % any manufacturer claims. My post was just for illustration that 2 cpu's don't give twice the throughput. I've gone to sleep in more presentations over multiple CPU's throughput than I'm years old (not to mention the ones I've stayed awake in). I guess the add-infinitum arguments will now start to centre around clusters V's SMP. z. Of course, should I have a windfall of a few surplus $ for computing machinery, I might be interested again, but at the moment... pulls out his book on Queueing theory .. hears snores from the crowd... Ok Ok.. I won't go on.. But seriously.. If you want to learn about WHY 2 x CPU != 2 x throughput.. Go read up on Queueing theory.. Im sure theres tonnes on it on the web.. Grant Parnell had a really GREAT analogy on what queueing theory was all about.. Maby he can share it with all of us.. to help clear the way.. --- Anthony Rumble LinuxHelp http://www.LinuxHelp.com.au Phone: 0500 500 368 Direct 02-9712-1799 Mobile 0412-955-042 Fax 02-9712-3977 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Increasing maximum number of users in 2.2 Kernel
if your running that many users i would like to see your machine =) qmail is a good example of anthonies suggestion It supports multiple users per unix user i think its damn near unlimited. If you ar running that many email addies, qmail wouldnt be a bad idea anyway Dean Anthony Rumble wrote: On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to increase the maximum number of users from 16-bit to 32-bit with the 2.2.5-15 kernel? I know the 2.4 kernel will implement this, but I need it for the 2.2 kernel. You have more than 65k users?? If it's because of "Email".. maby you need to look at doing your mail differently.. Instead of One "Unix" user per mailbox.. Maby you need to "virtualise" it somehow.. I believe there are pop servers out there that don't need a "unix" account to work.. --- Anthony Rumble LinuxHelp http://www.LinuxHelp.com.au Phone: 0500 500 368 Direct 02-9712-1799 Mobile 0412-955-042 Fax 02-9712-3977 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Imaging Software
there are two dos imaging software packages that i know of that will image linux. one, ghost two, partition magic or the imaging bit of it. partition magic seems more reliable with linux than the current version of ghost. there is a gnu/linux version of imaging software, can't think of the name at the moment. search freshmeat. Ryan McBride wrote: Sorry I must not have been clear enuf. I want to store the current setup as im always tinkering and doing more damage to my box than i intended so i just wanna say, BUGGER IT, RESTORE IMAGE. So i need imaging software that i can use to image a drive over the network. - Original Message - From: Howard Lowndes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ryan McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: slug [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Imaging Software If you're looking to run Xwindows on the Windows box then there are Xservers for Windows available, otherwise VNC might be what you are wanting. Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Ryan McBride wrote: Does anyone know of imaging software i can use to image my linux box over the network from my windows box??? -- Ryan McBride (MCSE) Excelerate Computer Services Ryan: 0413-984-819 Adam: 0410-605-152 Fax: +612-9972-1459 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.excelerate.com.au "Solution to two of the worlds greatest problems. Feed the homeless to the hungry" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- _|_ | Thanks, iCafe PTY Limited Ben DonohueWeb Hosting Design [EMAIL PROTECTED]Small Business Office Networks Ph. 0011 61 2 9705 7520 http://www.icafe.com.au Mobile: 0417 018 600ACN 080 665 907 Freedom isn't doing what you want... Freedom is knowing what to do -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Linux Magazine at Newsagents.
At 02:28 PM 2/29/00 +1100, you wrote: Michael Lake wrote: Hi All, Some of you may be interested in that the "Linux Magazine" vol 2, issue 1 is in some newsagents at $12.50. Can anyone provide newsagents IN THE CBD that sell this?. Preferrably around Central, Town Hall, Wynyard. There is nothing local, so I'm going to have to look on my next trip in. I'll check again tomorrow, but I *believe* the Newsagent in Wynyard, on the ramp up to the Westpac Plaza building and eateries, has them. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Action against spam
Support the ACA's "opt-in" preference at http://203.166.10.91/forums/forums.exe?14@^2381@.ee6b949 I just thought I'd chime in with this: Since when has SPAM had a bone in it? :) ++-- Del | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Christchurch, New Zealand ++-- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Tax Office loves Windows..
...and they will tell you, that as you do under $20M pa you can lodge by hand. Now, what about big businesses... Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Rachel Polanskis wrote: On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Anthony Rumble wrote: I just got my ABT number today.. Gee... How about an open closed solution guys? Complain. Tell them you don't do Windows. Tell them you have no intention of purchasing MS products to lodge your ABN number. Tell them you will bill the ATO for the computer you have to purchase if they insist. Make the point that your core business is a direct competitor to the product they are making you use and you don't support using a competitor's product. Show them your mission statement. Insist that the ATO has no right to determine the computing platform on which you conduct business. Prove that the JVM doesn't run on your platform. Just say NO to Microsoft. There has to be legal precedent here somewhere. rachel -- Rachel Polanskis Kingswood, Greater Western Sydney, Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.zeta.org.au/~grove/grove.html [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.nepean.uws.edu.au/ccd/ "Yow! Am I having fun yet?!" - John Howard^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Zippy the Pinhead -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] H3lp sought with Digiboards
I am trying to get a Digi ClassicBoard 8 running. It is an ISA board and I have configured it, using its supplied utility, as Control Register 0x240, IRQ 9, non-PNP, IO base 0x200 with the remaining ports at 8 byte increments. I have the digi pcxx driver compiled into the kernel as monolithic, not module, I have an append statement in /etc/lilo.conf and have re-run lilo When it boots Linux complains that no board is found at 0x200 and doesn't bother to load the driver. Using the digi DOS utility find the board with no problem with the parameters listed above. I have also tried parametering it with the Control register address of 0x240 but with similar lack of result. Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Tax Office loves Windows..
Rachel Polanskis wrote: Complain. Tell them you don't do Windows. Tell them you have no intention of purchasing MS products to lodge your ABN number. Just say NO to Microsoft. There has to be legal precedent here somewhere. Are you saying no just to be negative? (from Eliza, c.1972) Of course, we enounter this "MS is the only platform" platform mentality everywhere, from accountants (Rick, please lodge your accounts using Quickbooks!!!) to document exchange (Why can't you read my you-beaut Office 2020 Word file I sent you?) And we all whinge about it, on SLUG, on LINK. But what are we really asking? That tax depts and the like provide interfaces that are supported on every platform available? Th Web aside, there are often proprietary interfaces available that only run on Evilware, i.e. from banks. Should we insist that such software be made available for Linux, all Unices, Apples, Apricots, Commodores, Amigas, etc.etc. Virtually impossible, I would imagine. And its a bit too partisan to demand that what is offered on Windoze must run on Linux as well. I think the solution resides in using open protocols that are simple, proven and reliable. *not* flakey Java VMs, *not* proprietary browser extensions, just plain and simple things like standard HTML/CGI interfaces that work on *every* platform, everywhere. Is that too much to ask, Mr Tax Man? -rick w -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Linux Book keeping (accounting software) - URL's please
On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Andrew Reilly wrote: On Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 06:59:45PM +1100, Anthony Rumble wrote: I got the shits with this stuff so badly, that I have started writing my own Cash Book manager myself.. using Perl/DBI/Mysql and Curses (text based of course) Funny you should mention that. Mine is in sh/awk/flat-text, and has a very simple web interface. I figure that one day the awk will become Eiffel or Python or Java or something, and the text file will become a database of some sort, but it's a learning experience. It only has the data entry so far.. as thats all I needed.. I've got data entry and reports all rolled into the one screen. Works OK. But web interfaces are horrible for data entry.. --- Anthony Rumble LinuxHelp http://www.LinuxHelp.com.au Phone: 0500 500 368 Direct 02-9712-1799 Mobile 0412-955-042 Fax 02-9712-3977 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Tax Office loves Windows..
Rachel Polanskis wrote: Complain. Tell them you don't do Windows. Tell them you have no intention of purchasing MS products to lodge your ABN number. Tell them you will bill the ATO for the computer you have to purchase if they insist. Make the point that your core business is a direct competitor to the product they are making you use and you don't support using a competitor's product. Show them your mission statement. Insist that the ATO has no right to determine the computing platform on which you conduct business. Prove that the JVM doesn't run on your platform. Just say NO to Microsoft. There has to be legal precedent here somewhere. Much as I hate to say "me too", I think Rachel's right on this one. Might I suggest that the best way to handle this is either with a hardcopy letter (yes, snail mail, the ones you have to put stamps on) or with a polite but insistent phone call, asking to speak to supervisors until you reach someone who understands what you're talking about and can actually help you. Don't just email them, and don't phone them and rant at their call centre. These are basic tricks for campaigning on any issue. K. -- Kirrily Robert -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://netizen.com.au/ Internet and Open Source Development, Consulting and Training Level 13, 500 Collins St, Melbourne VIC 3000 Phone: +61 3 9614 0949 Fax +61 3 9614 0948 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Linux Book keeping (accounting software) - URL's please
On Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 06:59:45PM +1100, Anthony Rumble wrote: I got the shits with this stuff so badly, that I have started writing my own Cash Book manager myself.. using Perl/DBI/Mysql and Curses (text based of course) Funny you should mention that. Mine is in sh/awk/flat-text, and has a very simple web interface. I figure that one day the awk will become Eiffel or Python or Java or something, and the text file will become a database of some sort, but it's a learning experience. It only has the data entry so far.. as thats all I needed.. I've got data entry and reports all rolled into the one screen. Works OK. -- Andrew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Linux Book keeping (accounting software) - URL's please
On Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 10:04:09PM +1100, Anthony Rumble wrote: But web interfaces are horrible for data entry.. Oh, it's not that bad. About the worst part is having to click in the first (date) field. Tabs get you through all of the others, up to the submit button. I suspect that javascript might be able to help me with the first field focus thing, and perhaps allow some key bindings so that the category selector widget doesn't need to be moused, but I don't have a javascript reference handy. Fixing past mistakes in the database is a job for vi ;-) Yeah, if nothing better comes along beforehand, I expect that this will sprout X or terminal UIs (I loath curses interfaces, though). At least I know what's in the database, and can tweak it to suit my needs. Some of the references that were posted here recently look interesting. There was a link to a PHP based scheme that looks like a fancier version of my effort. -- Andrew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Tax, MS, etc
An idea just occurred to me. Anyone keen enough can treat this as a free business plan: Set up a service that gateways the tax office's MS-centric interface through any of several sane interfaces: plain HTML/POST, interactive telnet, whatever. Personally, I'd like to see an SMTP to ATO gateway. If you can snail-mail the form, you ought to be able to e-mail it... Become successful and get the ATO to buy it from you. -- Andrew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Linux Book keeping (accounting software) - URL's please
if they offered some way of uploading a text file with all the infomation they needed in some delimited format would be easy write your own interface to create it and even upload it to whoever On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Andrew Reilly wrote: On Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 10:04:09PM +1100, Anthony Rumble wrote: But web interfaces are horrible for data entry.. Oh, it's not that bad. About the worst part is having to click in the first (date) field. Tabs get you through all of the others, up to the submit button. I suspect that javascript might be able to help me with the first field focus thing, and perhaps allow some key bindings so that the category selector widget doesn't need to be moused, but I don't have a javascript reference handy. Fixing past mistakes in the database is a job for vi ;-) Yeah, if nothing better comes along beforehand, I expect that this will sprout X or terminal UIs (I loath curses interfaces, though). At least I know what's in the database, and can tweak it to suit my needs. Some of the references that were posted here recently look interesting. There was a link to a PHP based scheme that looks like a fancier version of my effort. -- Andrew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Tax Office loves Windows..
G'day Rachel, Anthony, and all... Prove that the JVM doesn't run on your platform. Just say NO to Microsoft. There has to be legal precedent here somewhere. How the hell do they get away with using M$'s (pretend) version of Java. MS Java simply isn't really Java. Why don't they just use actual Java which runs according to spec? Anyways... I'm just rambling on at MS, and wondering why you would seriously want to make a non platform specific language, platform specific. (Further, why anyone would then want to go out and use it IRL situations.) G bah humbug! All the best... Michael. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Linux Book keeping (accounting software) - URL's please
On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Andrew Reilly wrote: Fixing past mistakes in the database is a job for vi ;-) Yeah, if nothing better comes along beforehand, I expect that this will sprout X or terminal UIs (I loath curses interfaces, though). At least I know what's in the database, and can tweak it to suit my needs. Some of the references that were posted here recently look interesting. There was a link to a PHP based scheme that looks like a fancier version of my effort. Well.. I use a thing called "Curses::Widgets".. It's a perl module that works with "Curses".. and provides some nice widgets for doing text based stuff.. Theres been some recient new stuff.. like a Curses::Forms for building forms for data entry and some such.. One of my projects is to build a screen builder.. generic database screen stuff.. so it can work much like some modern 3GL/4GL's that are out there.. Eg/ You can setup a screen with widgets.. some of them linkted directly to database tables.. some with "code" attached to do things.. Kinda like what VB does.. but in text.. --- Anthony Rumble LinuxHelp http://www.LinuxHelp.com.au Phone: 0500 500 368 Direct 02-9712-1799 Mobile 0412-955-042 Fax 02-9712-3977 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Tax Office loves Windows..
If they made it in java why not make the damn thing totally standalone and use package a windoze version of it for those windoze people and another zip or whatever if you have a jvm and can run the package as a standalone java app On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Michael 'BeLFrY' S. E. Kraus wrote: G'day Rachel, Anthony, and all... Prove that the JVM doesn't run on your platform. Just say NO to Microsoft. There has to be legal precedent here somewhere. How the hell do they get away with using M$'s (pretend) version of Java. MS Java simply isn't really Java. Why don't they just use actual Java which runs according to spec? Anyways... I'm just rambling on at MS, and wondering why you would seriously want to make a non platform specific language, platform specific. (Further, why anyone would then want to go out and use it IRL situations.) G bah humbug! All the best... Michael. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Tax Office loves Windows..
And we all whinge about it, on SLUG, on LINK. But what are we really asking? That tax depts and the like provide interfaces that are supported on every platform available? Th Web aside, there are often proprietary interfaces available that only run on Evilware, i.e. from banks. On the subject of banking, St George online banking runs fine in either NS or IE in windows, but how does it go in linux? Adam -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Imaging Software
Hi there, Doesn't seem like anyone has given the obvious solution yet, so here goes. There's a great Unix disk imaging package available called "dd". Works like a charm. There are a few documents describing things in more detail but I'll give you an overview. You'll need to check the actual command lines before entering any of this stuff. First thing to do is grab yo'self a copy of tom's root and boot http://www.toms.net/rtbt/ And make a floppy as described in the instructions. You may also need to add smbclient to the disk if you need to dump your image to a Windows box. There are instructions around somewhere on the tomsrtbt site. If not keep looking.. I've seen them I just don't remember where, sorry. You're going to be creating one big file which is a copy of your hard disk, so SMB or not you'll need some way of putting the file on the server. Now boot using your tomsrtbt. Use smbmount (or whatever) to mount a directory on your Windows box in /mnt/win. Type dd if=/dev/hda of=/mnt/win/linux.img After a lot of waiting you'll have an image of your hard disk on the server. Then when you've blown your setup away, just pop in tom, mount the server directory again and do this: dd if=/mnt/win/linux.img of=/dev/hda And she'll boot just like she always did. Resident gurus please fill in the stuff I've missed or got wrong.. Other things you might want to do: compress the image before you send it across the network, use FTP to send the file over the network instead of SMB. Hope this helps, Chuck Ryan McBride wrote: Sorry I must not have been clear enuf. I want to store the current setup as im always tinkering and doing more damage to my box than i intended so i just wanna say, BUGGER IT, RESTORE IMAGE. So i need imaging software that i can use to image a drive over the network. [...] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] netscape question
hey. im trying to update my bookmarks, but in order to do it i need to save them as something. anyone know where the netscape bookmark file would be hiding on a regular installation on my computer? thanks for your help nick -- Nick Chandler ICQ- 1933737 Aol- MentorN email- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out Zerotonin, angry as fuck, awesome music http://go.to/zerotonin Ask me for more details Truth is a tragedy, I cannot lie- If you want to join the Coal Chamber list, email me "The dumber people think you are, the most surprised they are going to be when you kill them" "I've got nothing left for nobody else" -Rob Flynn "Silence kills the revolution" -Nathan Gray Truth is Truth is Lie Strike. Light. Burn. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] OSopinion: LUGs should offer training
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken Yap wrote: http://www.osopinion.com/Opinions/JeffCobb/JeffCobb1.html Hmm. Interesting idea. The article is a load of crap. Firstly if some win programmer is working 60 hours/week, then he is getting paid for it, (or is stupid) and can afford to pay for commercial training. So I think Jeff Cobb is a cheap bastard. I also doubt if Mr Cobb would even attend. After all he claims that there are only three places in the USA that you can receive Linux training. Gee, even Australia would have five (Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth). Suggesting that LUG's should provide commercial training seems to be an obvious flamebait tactic. There are people here that think that SLUG (LUGs) shouldn't have any money and should somehow run on the goodwill of people all the time. Obviously Mr Cobb has never shouldered the responsibility of running an organisation. Bloody good recipe for burning out people that is. Mr Cobb is also way behind the 8 ball. SLUG has been doing that for two (?) years now. But of course, we don't charge $100/day. Shit, we've even had complaints about asking $5 a day. However, I do believe that one of the roles of LUG's should be as a mutual learning place, where the full gamut of opportunities are provided. Note the word MUTUAL, which means teaching as well as learning. I just don't believe we should be sucked dry by cheap bastards who are not prepared to pay a fair sum for training. If a LUGs provides training like Mr Cobb is suggesting, then it should charge the same rates as commercial companies. I'm not sure how many hobbiests and home users (who would not be making any financial gain from the training) could afford to spend several thousand dollars to learn how to configure and use Linux. Maybe we should advertise Linux as the system for Professionals and continue to discourage desktop use ;-} Stay well and happy Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] [Fwd: DEC Machines and Pope Gregory]
Hmmm. Sounds like they didn't do their homework when testing for Y2K, otherwise they wouldn't be in a mad panic... - Original Message - From: Andrew Dorrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 11:07 AM Subject: [SLUG] [Fwd: DEC Machines and Pope Gregory] Could it be true Kieran Larkin wrote: From Sydney Uni: Dear All, Today is the first 29th of Feburary on a century year for 400 years, thanks to the Gregorian Calendar. The DEC machine operating system licenses can't deal with this, they get the date from the network time server (suphys). As a result, you won't be able to log on to a DEC machine today. They will function properly again tomorrow, once they get the date 1/3/00 from suphys. It may be necessary to reboot them, we'll know more tomorrow. In the meantime, just log on to a sun, or PC running solaris, they are all ok. I've called Compaq (DEC that was) and blown a big rasberry at them. Tony. -- Andrew Dorrell PhD.Research Engineer Canon Information Systems Research Australia Phone: 61 2 9805 2224 1 Thomas Holt Drive, North Ryde, NSW 2113. Fax: 61 2 9805 2929 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Inital Console Problem
HI all, I just finsihed installing debian on my machine at home, and the box got knocked last night and crashed big time. I tried booting it back up, and i got an error Unable to Open Inital Console diring start up, which just casues the machine to hang. Its a standard debian slink install. I used the debian boot disk to get something up and running and ran e2fsck over all of the file systems, i thought it might be a problem, there, and there where, but they where fixed up. But still i get the error message. Any ideas ppls ? Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Tax Office loves Windows..
I think the solution resides in using open protocols that are simple, proven and reliable. *not* flakey Java VMs, *not* proprietary browser extensions, just plain and simple things like standard HTML/CGI interfaces that work on *every* platform, everywhere. Is that too much to ask, Mr Tax Man? I guess in this instance the answer is yes ;) Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Problems with Boot Image - Help !
Hi I made the boot image and let it in a floppy disk for test. I made the kernel image (~470KB) in zImage. I prepare /etc/bootptab, /etc/inetd.conf, dhcp (with linuxconf) and create /tftpboot (with image named /tftpboot/kernel). My linux is Conectiva 4.2 (similar Red Hat 6.0 in portuguese). Everthing goes wonderful until to load the image from the server. In the client appears this message: "BOOTP Load record too large". I made severals new kernels, but when the client start the boot with floppy (simulating the EEPROM) the message appears again, ever. I need a help about it. I don't know more what to do. Ho ! I did use the mknbi to generate the tagged image. I really need a help ! Thanks very much. Jefferson -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] In Search of the Optimal Mail Setup
It strikes me you are seeking a compromise, and all compromises come at a price, and with computers that price is usually performance. I think you should be looking for the service that provides the best opportunity for you to access your email on the widest range of platforms. I think IMP is the one that will provide the widest access, but you will need to accept the price of performance. Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Chuck Dale wrote: Dear Sluggers, I have been a heavy email user for a few years now but have never made the effort to find a good email client. I am now embarking on the search to find the best email setup I can and so am asking your help. Change is not easy and I have tried a few times but not successfully. I used Netscape Mail for about a year and a half on an NT box then NS Mail on my Linux box for another year or so. Then I started using IMP, a web based IMAP client, which is quite good. This gives me the ability to use my email where shell access isn't possible like around uni and at work. The only problem with IMP is that it is quite slow to use at home. I want to combine the freedom of being able to use a web based interface to my mail when I'm away from home but also have a very fast and usable client at home. Currently I am trying Mutt on my Linux box at home with fetchmail grabbing mail from my server, but I cannot think of an easy way to maintain a copy of that email on my server so I can use IMP for web based mail away from home. The problem is not that of having the mail in two places at once - that would be easy enough if I used a fetchmail to grab the mail but left it on the server. The problem is that I want to have the folders synchronised between my two mail clients. So, for example, if I fetchmail my mail at home, filtering it with procmail, I want the same filtered mail to be available on the server to IMAP. Similarly (although it would be harder to implement both of these) if I move a message between folders on the server I would like this to be reflected on my home box. One suggestion I had was to synchronise my local folders using rsync with the folders on the server every so often, but the problem with this is that IMAP puts a marker message at the top of every folder which my Mutt mailboxes would not have. Would this be a problem? IMAP is almost good for me but the problem is that I want instantaneous mail at home.. This is essentially server side email but with two servers. Sorry for being so verbose but it's difficult to fully explain my situation. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Or just describing how you have your mail setup/access it away from home. TIA, Chuck -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Tax Office loves Windows..
Adam Kennedy wrote: And we all whinge about it, on SLUG, on LINK. But what are we really asking? That tax depts and the like provide interfaces that are supported on every platform available? Th Web aside, there are often proprietary interfaces available that only run on Evilware, i.e. from banks. On the subject of banking, St George online banking runs fine in either NS or IE in windows, but how does it go in linux? Two people I know (using Linux) must use an Evilware box to access St George. They are furious. One of them fires up NT on VMWare, the other goes hunting for a 'doze box. So much for open and uniform protocols. I guess the word 'standards' has taken on a whole new meaning on the commercial Internet. sigh -rick w -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] OSopinion: LUGs should offer training
Heracles wrote:
snip.
I'm not sure how many hobbiests and home users (who would not
be making any financial gain from the training) could afford
to spend several thousand dollars to learn how to configure
and use Linux. Maybe we should advertise Linux as the
system for Professionals and continue to discourage
desktop use ;-}
TANSTAAFL
As Ken and I agree on, LUG's should provide training and you should
charge what the market will bear.
To use the anology of restaurants. Some customers like their food in
small portions, very tastefully arranged and nice surroundings and don't
mind paying $100 for a pork chop by another name.
At the other end of the scale, Macca's sell something they claim is food
for a few dollars and some people prefer that.
Some people are prepared to pay a fair price for what they get and some
of these people can afford to pay top dollar and why shouldn't SLUG take
their money?
Some people think the world owes them everything and they should get
what they want and SLUG should tell them to GET F*CKED!.
And for others, SLUG also allows you to wash up in return for your
dinner.
IBTBCBASLU!
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Re: [SLUG] Tax Office loves Windows..
On Wed, 01 Mar 2000, Rick Welykochy wrote: Two people I know (using Linux) must use an Evilware box to access St George. They are furious. 'which' bank (CBA) is no better. You must use a (crappy even for windows) client to access your account(s). Are there any linux friendly (for online banking) banks out there? (If so, I'll name drop while writing a threatening letter to the bank: 'let me use linux or I'll take all my accounts/credit cards/home loans to xyz' :-) One of them fires up NT on VMWare, the other goes hunting for a 'doze box. I still need the doze box for office97 (for work). But I am also annoyed that I can't bank from behind the firewall on the corporate network. Are there other banks providing banking over http/https ? -- Cheers, Jim. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Linux Book keeping (accounting software) - URL's please
On Wed, Mar 01, 2000 at 08:09:39AM +1100, Jim Clark wrote: On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Andrew Reilly wrote: I suspect that javascript might be able to help me with the first field focus thing, yes, you are right. something like: [snip] SCRIPT document.MyForm.FirstField.focus(); /SCRIPT Yay! Works like a champ. I hoped, when posting that description, that some knowlegeable soul would pipe up with an answer. I don't suppose anyone knows of an on-line javascript tutorial? Maybe I'll just have to go and buy a book. I suppose that if anyone's interested, I could send them a copy of the scripts. They're embarrasingly simple, but you could look at that as an opportunity to mutate in any direction... -- Andrew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] SQL-Ledger Accounting Project
Further to the book keeping stuff in the past few days. The
message at the bottom arrived this morning and seems to tie in
with the thoughts of a few people, so I'm posting the URL, a bit
of the WWW and the message for interested people.
...
http://www.simtax.ca/acc/
SQL-Ledger is a multiuser accounting system consisting of a
series of CGI perl scripts to retrieve and send data to a SQL
backend. Data entry and display is done via a web browser such as
Netscape. This combination of perl, SQL and a web browser makes
it ideal to modify to your own needs and use in a mixed computer
environment. It can be used from any computer or terminal with a
forms enabled web browser. The scripts can be installed on one
server while the
database runs on yet another somewhere on the internet or behind
your firewall.
SQL-Ledger is more than just accounting and has modules for
Contacts, parts cross referencing system and scripts to build a
webstore index.
..
Developed on Linux with Netscape as the fron end. Uses Perl,
Apache and PostgresSQL
The message below arrived today
.
The new version is available at http://www.simtax.ca/acc/
A lot has changed since the last release.
There's a login script to sign in and to setup a users
environment. The
browser must now be capable of displaying pages in a frame,
sorry, lynx
users.
You can now have a different environment and data set for each
user.
The beginnings of a GL are there but not used yet.
I worked on a script to generate a shopping mall. It is included
in this
release but you'd better roll up your sleeves and dig into the
code. Works
similar to a links generator except with products, makes and
models.
WARNING
If you want a pure accounting solution this is NOT IT.
There always was and there always will be more of a business
twist to
it than just counting beans.
SQL-Ledger started out as a set of scripts to keep a record of
transaction
but it had more stuff for your everyday things, like faxing,
looking up
cross references, contacts, etc.
/WARNING
If you need some more info or help just send me an email.
TTFN,
Dieter Simader
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Title: SQL-Ledger Accounting Project
SQL-Ledger Accounting Project
SQL-Ledger is a multiuser accounting system consisting of
a series of CGI perl scripts to retrieve and send data to a SQL backend.
Data entry and display is done via a web browser such as Netscape.
This combination of perl, SQL and a web browser makes it ideal to modify
to your own needs and use in a mixed computer environment.
It can be used from any computer or terminal with a forms
enabled web browser. The scripts can be installed on one server
while the database runs on yet another somewhere on the internet
or behind your firewall.
SQL-Ledger is more than just accounting and has modules for Contacts,
parts cross referencing system and scripts to build a webstore index.
Current Version
The current version uses
Perl,
Apache and
PostgreSQL
or any other SQL server which supports serial fields
by way of a built-in type or as a function.
Feature List
Checking Accounts
Accounts Receivable
Accounts Payable
Invoices
Quotation
Tax Report
Forecast Report
Parts Database
Alternates
Supply
Suppliers
Customers
Vendors
Contacts
Webstore
Developed on a Linux
operating system with
Netscape
serving as display front-end.
Current version is single-entry only!
Source Code
Click here to retrieve the source code.
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Check out the ToDo list for additional
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[SLUG] Re: SLUG and education
Ken Yap writes: http://www.osopinion.com/Opinions/JeffCobb/JeffCobb1.html Hmm. Interesting idea. Ken, I had been thinking about how to get SLUG courses off the ground. One idea I did try out is attached, but it wasn't really taken up. Maybe there is some interest? Or is this off the track? Terry Collins also wrote: But of course, we don't charge $100/day. Shit, we've even had complaints about asking $5 a day. But on the other hand, the vast majority of people are very happy with what we've done and the nomiminal fees. I just don't believe we should be sucked dry by cheap bastards who are not prepared to pay a fair sum for training. If a LUGs provides training like Mr Cobb is suggesting, then it should charge the same rates as commercial companies. I haven't read the article in full, however, I do believe there is a great need for training, a need that we may help fill. Not really in competition with commercial providers but as an adjunct. Maybe the article is wrong in specfics, but not the basics? I understand your frustration, Terry, in that you feel (and you have) put a lot of volunteer work into SLUG, feeling that your enthusiasm is not reciprocated. My gratuitous advice for all who may think of helping out with SLUG in some way (bearing in mind committee positions are coming up) - do as much as you can while it's fun, while you feel you are being of use, while you can comfortably bear the cost - the rewards are substantial, but never financial (although see below) Jamie - I have been thinking about SLUG courses and how to get them off the ground. What I think we need is an educational development officer. Something like: oversee course development within slug, co-ordinate, pay, get facilities, develop courses and teachers. Would not mean teach all courses. There are some other resources (Kirrily Roberts at www.netizen.com.au does good perl courses). I was thinking that course teachers get paid, and the educational development officer would get some percentage of proceeds from SLUG courses. But the important thing is that it could all be controlled. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] SQL-Ledger Accounting Project - Apologies
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My apologies for the attached HTML file. I thought sending the
page in netscape just sent the URL. Seems this version sends the
page in html.
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Re: [SLUG] netscape question
hey. im trying to update my bookmarks, but in order to do it i need to save them as something. anyone know where the netscape bookmark file would be hiding on a regular installation on my computer? thanks for your help grep bookmark_file ~/.netscape/preferences.js -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] CD-RW suggestions?
G'day all, I am after a CD-RW yes a re-writable. From the list in CD-R I could only get a CD-R not a RW. Is anyone using a RW with Linux that is straightforward to get? TIA, Dave. -- David Ryan - [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.snowy.net.au Smart Radio Systems Phone: 02 6452 Fax: 02 64524317 Cooma, NSW 2630, Australia Secretary Cooma Bushfire Brigade -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] [OT] Javascript
I don't suppose anyone knows of an on-line javascript tutorial? Maybe I'll just have to go and buy a book. Not sure of many online ones - the best thing to do in that case is poke around for code snippets you're interested in. The "AHA!" factor is always there... Book-wise, trust O'Reilly. :) _JavaScript - The Definitive Guide_ is a great book. In fact, a customer came back to one of the shops I work at specifically to thank me for recommending it! Not often that happens, so I think it's the winner... :) - Jeff --- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: rsn i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "The ability to procrastinate is what separates us from the machines." - Chris Gregory, Desktop Magazine -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Re: SLUG and education
I had been thinking about how to get SLUG courses off the ground. One idea I did try out is attached, but it wasn't really taken up. Maybe there is some interest? Or is this off the track? Perhaps it suffices to interest a organisation like Netizen to offer courses at a small discount to SLUG members in return for doing a bit of grouping. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Tax Office loves Windows..
On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Jim Clark wrote: On Wed, 01 Mar 2000, Rick Welykochy wrote: Two people I know (using Linux) must use an Evilware box to access St George. They are furious. 'which' bank (CBA) is no better. You must use a (crappy even for windows) client to access your account(s). Are there any linux friendly (for online banking) banks out there? (If so, I'll name drop while writing a threatening letter to the bank: 'let me use linux or I'll take all my accounts/credit cards/home loans to xyz' :-) I use the Linux version of Netscape for online banking with Westpac - I have no idea whether or not it's officically supported, but it works for me. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] CD-RW suggestions?
G'day all, I am after a CD-RW yes a re-writable. From the list in CD-R I could only get a CD-R not a RW. Is anyone using a RW with Linux that is straightforward to get? The Ricoh RWs were widely available. Have you looked at the home page of cdrecord? http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/glone/employees/joerg.schilling/private/cdrecord.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Tax Office loves Windows..
On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Rick Welykochy wrote: On the subject of banking, St George online banking runs fine in either NS or IE in windows, but how does it go in linux? Two people I know (using Linux) must use an Evilware box to access St George. They are furious. Then they're doing something wrong. I use St George online banking from my Linux box for both my personal and business banking - and it works flawlessly. Yes, I had to apply "fortify" to get a 128-bit capable browser, but that was it. The rest worked without trying. So much for open and uniform protocols. I guess the word 'standards' has taken on a whole new meaning on the commercial Internet. sigh I suspect a case of PEBCAK applies here. DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] In Search of the Optimal Mail Setup
Actually I've been using Mutt for a day and now I'm starting it to like it =) So maybe I'll just email at home instead of all over the place.. I usually spread myself around too much so doing something write once a day is better than poorly over the whole day.. Hmm Chuck Wrote Howard Lowndes on Wed, Mar 01, 2000 at 07:53:59AM +1100: It strikes me you are seeking a compromise, and all compromises come at a price, and with computers that price is usually performance. I think you should be looking for the service that provides the best opportunity for you to access your email on the widest range of platforms. I think IMP is the one that will provide the widest access, but you will need to accept the price of performance. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] RH 6.1 lilo problem
Guys Im having trouble with lilo on a RH 6.1 install. Its a 2.1G(C/H/S = 4092/16/63) drive so I have a small /boot partition /dev/hda1. the RH install didn't set any partitions as bootable so i fixed this with fdisk after booting off the floppy. this gave me a curious "device in use" message but did seem to set the partition as bootable. here is the partition table. Disk /dev/hda: 64 heads, 63 sectors, 1023 cylinders Units = cylinders of 4032 * 512 bytes Device BootStart EndBlocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 9 18112+ 83 Linux /dev/hda210 1023 20442245 Extended /dev/hda51042 66496+ 82 Linux swap /dev/hda643 1023 1977664+ 83 Linux I have tried every combination of lilo.conf I can think of including boot = /dev/hda, linear, and this one: boot = /dev/hda1 timeout = 10 prompt disk = /dev/hda bios = 0x80 sectors = 63 heads = 16 cylinders = 4092 default = linux vga = normal read-only map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.12-20 label = linux initrd = /boot/initrd-2.2.12-20.img root = /dev/hda6 any ideas? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] CD-RW suggestions?
I've got a Kodak IDE CDRW and it works great with Linux (including with CD-RW discs). You have to compile SCSI support into your kernel and compile out ATAPI IDE support to make it work though, but this would be for any IDE CD-R drive, not just CD-RW ones (see the CD-Writing HOWTO - http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO.html). Any other IDE CD-RW drive would probably work similarly. I bought mine at a local computer shop, so it should be easy for you to find one somewhere. Matthew Dave wrote: G'day all, I am after a CD-RW yes a re-writable. From the list in CD-R I could only get a CD-R not a RW. Is anyone using a RW with Linux that is straightforward to get? TIA, Dave. -- David Ryan - [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.snowy.net.au Smart Radio Systems Phone: 02 6452 Fax: 02 64524317 Cooma, NSW 2630, Australia Secretary Cooma Bushfire Brigade -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Linux Fat32 Question
Hello Folks. I installed lilo on the MBR which resides on the same partition as the Win98 installation. This partition is FAT16. (seen as /dev/hda1 by Linux) My question 1st: Is it possible to convert to FAT32 and still boot up normally ?? And the 2nd question: is it possible to mount fat32 in linux ?? (currently, I mount /dev/hda1 as type 'msdos') Thanking you in anticipation. Best Regards, Rajnish begin:vcard n:Tiwari;Rajnish tel;fax:(02) 9930 2233 tel;work:(02) 9930 2243 x-mozilla-html:TRUE org:NEC Australia Pty. Ltd. adr:;;244 Beecroft Road;Epping, 2144;NSW;; version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Software Engineer x-mozilla-cpt:;-11024 fn:Rajnish Tiwari end:vcard
Re: [SLUG] Tax Office loves Windows..
On Wed, Mar 01, 2000 at 08:19:16AM +1100, Jim Clark wrote: Are there any linux friendly (for online banking) banks out there? (If so, I'll name drop while writing a threatening letter to the bank: 'let me use linux or I'll take all my accounts/credit cards/home loans to xyz' :-) Dunno about "friendly", but I've used the FreeBSD native Netscape 4.7 to access ANZ internet banking facilities. It seems to work OK. -- Andrew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] [OT] Javascript
Netscape have the manuals at http://developer.netscape.com/docs/manuals/javascript.html I found these very useful Jeff Waugh wrote: I don't suppose anyone knows of an on-line javascript tutorial? Maybe I'll just have to go and buy a book. Not sure of many online ones - the best thing to do in that case is poke around for code snippets you're interested in. The "AHA!" factor is always there... Book-wise, trust O'Reilly. :) _JavaScript - The Definitive Guide_ is a great book. In fact, a customer came back to one of the shops I work at specifically to thank me for recommending it! Not often that happens, so I think it's the winner... :) - Jeff --- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: rsn i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "The ability to procrastinate is what separates us from the machines." - Chris Gregory, Desktop Magazine -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Linux Fat32 Question
And the 2nd question: is it possible to mount fat32 in linux ?? (currently, I mount /dev/hda1 as type 'msdos') I can help with that one: mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/donkey You'll have to have vfat support in your kernel, but I'd imagine that you already do. The resident gurus will help you with you number 1 q. :) - Jeff --- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: rsn i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "The ability to procrastinate is what separates us from the machines." - Chris Gregory, Desktop Magazine -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Re: SLUG and education
You can delete this if you have no interest in making SLUG work
better.
Jamie Honan wrote:
I understand your frustration, Terry, in that you feel (and you
have) put a lot of volunteer work into SLUG, feeling that your
enthusiasm is not reciprocated.
This is wrong and off beam.
I resigned from the SLUG committee and stopped all work for SLUG
because I found my time, and the time of others was being wasted
by other members of the Slug committee.
Basically, SLUG committee people largely failed to realise that
once in the position, they have a duty to fulfill the role for
which they have been elected.
Firstly people rejected having email discussions, then nothing
was done about regular meetings. So we fell into a defacto way of
making decisions by email.
The meant that discussion largely took place between 3-4 people.
Which is pretty normal really in most organisation committees.
My attitude is that an organisation is made up of members who
show their committment by paying a membership fee and they elect
a committee to run their organisation affairs/activites.
The committee can then make decisions. Committees have a thing
call quorum where a majority of the committee must be present for
a decision to be legal and binding. It is easy to achieve that in
email discussions if people participate.
It helps to have communal consensus, but some decisions can not
wait the time for that to evolve and sometimes a majority
decision is needed.
However, you Jamie, were not happy to work with the committee. If
Grahame and I agreed with your requests, then it was okay.
If we disagreed, or you disagreed with one of our suggestions,
then you insisted the FULL committee decide. Okay, that is fine,
but not to have to wait until hell freezes over in the hope that
all the other committee members will read their email and
respond.
History - one member disappeared after 2 months, one's job takes
him away for weeks at a time and another two have busy work and
some times do not respond to email for weeks.
If the committee didn't agree with you Jamie, you then said we
needed to ask the members.
The issue of sponsorship was the final straw. This had been
discussed a number of time since PC-IT-99 and Grahame had been
okayed, in the usual way, to make a formal offer to a company
that wanted to give SLUG money to do the stuff it does.
What transpired was you, Jamie, objecting to i's t's, demanded
that Grahame retract the offer after giving him the go ahead.
Then with less than one month to go to Linux Expo, everything had
to go back to members.
This was a complete and utter waste of someone's valuable time
and the final straw for me.
For the first time in 28+ years of working with organisations, I
resigned immediately. I've always believed in giving a lot of
time to organisations I'm involved it. It is something I enjoy
doing.
I don't seek payment for it and never have, but all fruit and
chocolate cakes will not be rejected {:-). I'm not someone who
wants to stand up front and be thanked. I prefer the spontaneous
thank yous I've received over the years.
People who stand for the SLUG committee need to realise they have
a responsibility to carry out the duties. It is not just enough
to be on the committee, you really do need a role/job to help
things along.
Time requirements are one day a month at a meeting or a couple of
hours each week for email.
SLUG also needs members who are prepared to help. The real role
of the committee is to co-ordinate and manage. Without workers,
SLUG can do nothing.
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Re: [SLUG] Tax Office loves Windows..
On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Rick Welykochy wrote: I think the solution resides in using open protocols that are simple, proven and reliable. *not* flakey Java VMs, *not* proprietary browser extensions, just plain and simple things like standard HTML/CGI interfaces that work on *every* platform, everywhere. Is that too much to ask, Mr Tax Man? My internet connection to Westpac works fine on netscrape/Apple or netscrape/Linux. I can't for the life of me see why the tax office can't manage. BTW, ATO is perfectly happy to accept your (confidential) form for the ABN application over a standard browser form (which I did). It's the GST returns that require the gates virus, since the ATO's freely supplied software is only available for windows. David -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Imaging Software
Chuck Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] Type dd if=/dev/hda of=/mnt/win/linux.img After a lot of waiting you'll have an image of your hard disk on the server. for a fair bit less waiting add "bs=1024k" on the end of that. It makes a big difference on solaris (where the default block size is 512 bytes). Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Re: SLUG and education
Jamie Honan wrote:
But of course, we don't charge $100/day. Shit, we've even
had complaints about asking $5 a day.
But on the other hand, the vast majority of people are very
happy with what we've done and the nomiminal fees.
Oh, this is finally realised is it? We were continually being
challenged over the nominal fees we charged.
I just don't believe we should be sucked dry by cheap bastards
who are not prepared to pay a fair sum for training. If a LUGs
provides training like Mr Cobb is suggesting, then it should
charge the same rates as commercial companies.
I haven't read the article in full,
Then do it. And you might better understand the points in it
instead of going off half cocked.
however, I do believe there is a great need for training,
a need that we may help fill.
Definitely.
Not really in competition with
commercial providers but as an adjunct.
Go back and read the article.
Maybe the article is wrong in specfics, but not the basics?
There hasn't been anyone arguing against LUG's providing
training. I've been making the point that if LUGs provide good
training, then they should charge good fees.
There is nothing to stop LUG's providing commercial training.
There is nothing to stop LUG's providing a whole gamit of
training from basic, simple, friendly, like the install/config
fests, to more organissed, like the AppsFest (programming,
security, video, sound ???, to more formal courses equivalent to
RH, TL, SUSE, etc certification.
I understand your frustration, Terry, in that you feel
(and you have) put a lot of volunteer work into SLUG,
feeling that your enthusiasm is not reciprocated.
Way off beam and not even close Jamie.
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RE: banking and OS' (was Re: [SLUG] Tax Office loves Windows..)
snip I can use Commonwealth Securities (part of CBA - www.comsec.com.au) fine from netscape on any platform (well solaris and linux I've used). For banking, I use my credit union's phone banking service. The main CBA service is a windows gui and they move to a browser based service this month. http://www.commbank.com.au/NetBank/Splash.htm -- Aravind -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] RH 6.1 lilo problem
On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Rob Shugg wrote: Guys Im having trouble with lilo on a RH 6.1 install. Its a 2.1G(C/H/S = 4092/16/63) drive so I have a small /boot partition /dev/hda1. the RH install didn't set any partitions as bootable so i fixed this with fdisk after booting off the floppy. this gave me a curious "device in use" message but did seem to set the partition as bootable. here is the partition table. Disk /dev/hda: 64 heads, 63 sectors, 1023 cylinders That doesn't match what you say above, and what you are trying to force in lilo below. I'd get rid of the bio,cyl,head,sectors settings in lilo.conf and try again. Units = cylinders of 4032 * 512 bytes Device BootStart EndBlocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 9 18112+ 83 Linux /dev/hda210 1023 20442245 Extended /dev/hda51042 66496+ 82 Linux swap /dev/hda643 1023 1977664+ 83 Linux I have tried every combination of lilo.conf I can think of including boot = /dev/hda, linear, and this one: boot = /dev/hda1 timeout = 10 prompt disk = /dev/hda bios = 0x80 sectors = 63 heads = 16 cylinders = 4092 default = linux vga = normal read-only map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.12-20 label = linux initrd = /boot/initrd-2.2.12-20.img root = /dev/hda6 any ideas? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text Charlie Brady Aurema Pty Ltd PO Box 305, Strawberry Hills, NSW 2012, Australia Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Tel: +61 2 9698 2322, Fax: +61 2 9699 9174 "I think it would be a good idea." Ghandi, on Western Civilisation. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
