RE: [SLUG] Commercial Linux software companies in AU

2000-04-20 Thread Rowling

Dear people,

Sometimes when you are rejected because you don't have "blah" experience,
it's not really because of exactly that.
Perhaps they just didn't like you.
Or they were after someone cheaper.
Or where not prepared to train anyone for their exacting requirements.

There have been a few articles in the papers and on the Web about the
so-called "skills crisis", and so far it seems that the biggest complaints
about not being able to find skilled staff are coming from startup companies
who cannot afford to
a) train generalist skilled people to their expectations
b) pay for another company to do the specialist work for them

Often they will underpay and issue stock instead of higher wages.
A junior person with skills that happen to match may be snaffled up,
provided the company thinks they will actually do what's asked of them.

Also, some agencies are totally clueless about matching skill sets to
potential customers.
Suppose you were an employer looking for "Linux Expert" and asked an agency
for one with a few year's commercial programming experience.
The agencies are often unable to relate the skillsets required to be a
"Linux Expert" or a person with any programming experience (in any language,
any OS).

The moral of the story is:
If you are looking for work, be prepared for lots of rejections.
If you are looking for employees, look beyond the simplistic skills "boxed
set" and be prepared to train the newbie.

Regards,

Jill.

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RE: [SLUG] NFS / Lilo / lockd / kernel problems

2000-04-20 Thread Richard Lane

 
  Most Linux distributions can be rebooted remotely (this is not power
  cycling). So can most other Unix boxen.
 
 Wow! Really! :) Shame x86 hardware doesn't have a proper serial
 console implementation, or gasp a service processor.
 
 You can get RealWeasel if you really want this: www.realweasel.com

Though about getting some, but I'm getting new IBM (x86) hardware
that has them build it (sort of), and moving the systems to a data
center that is a little closer to the techs (read 10m).

Richard
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RE: [SLUG] NFS / Lilo / lockd / kernel problems

2000-04-20 Thread DaZZa

On Thu, 20 Apr 2000, Richard Lane wrote:

[...rant about Linux's failings deleted...]

 Of course if Linux was "Real Unix" we'd have something other
 than beta quality FS journaling and the whole point would be moot.

Of course, all of your comments beg the questions

1) If it's so bad, why do you use it?
2) If you're such an expert on Linux's failings, why don't you fix them?

DaZZa

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Re: [SLUG] Reinstalling lilo

2000-04-20 Thread Ian Tester

On Thu, 20 Apr 2000, Ken Yap wrote:

 Would be a good idea to have a copy of tomsbtrt floppy next time.
 www.toms.net

I've got an LS-120 floppy with a fairly decent installation of Debian 2.2
(Potato). Recently, I finally got it to boot. Neat.

It should make a VERY nice rescue disk :)


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RE: [SLUG] NFS / Lilo / lockd / kernel problems

2000-04-20 Thread Richard Lane


 
 [...rant about Linux's failings deleted...]

"rant" might be a little strong, but fair enough :)

  Of course if Linux was "Real Unix" we'd have something other
  than beta quality FS journaling and the whole point would be moot.
 
 Of course, all of your comments beg the questions
 
 1) If it's so bad, why do you use it?

Because:

It is improving faster than any OS in history. Todays
"pretty good" OS will be tomorrows enterprise class OS.
Linux will probably be better than "Unix" inside 2 years.

For the same reason people us MS OSes: good support by
software vendors, lots of good software for the OS, plenty
of vendor backing of that software. Just about every major
software vendor bar MS now actively support Linux, from
both the desktop end and the "real unix" end. This means,
for example, that I can get the entire Borland / Inprise
development suite (some as beta) but still have a unix
dev environment.

(Also I only just started, Linux was already here. I
did decide to keep it, for the reasons in this email)

Those are the biggies. Some other reasons to use it:

Industry buzz: Wow! We use Linux! Cool!

It's Open Source.

Cost: Linux staff tend to be a little cheaper than those
from a "commercial unix" background, though could be more
to do with experience: it's not hard to find middling Linux
people. x86 hardware (even the good stuff: eg IBM Netfinity)
is much cheaper than RISC unix equivalents, so the hardware
cost is lower than, say, Sun. Sometimes software licences 
are cheaper as well: Linux sw is generally NT cost rather
than Unix cost (BIG difference).

 2) If you're such an expert on Linux's failings, why don't you fix them?

Why should I have to? In any case, I don't have the required
development skill to do so, even if I had the time. I just
have a short fuse when I hit things that "just work" on the
OSes I'm used to, and there is no documentation other than the
source code.

/troll
Faults with no explanation, no error message, and no docs of
the stuff involved remind me too much of my time as a MCP :)
At least with Linux SOMEONE usually knows the answer!

 DaZZa

Richard (Really, I love Linux, just not as much as Unix) Lane

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[SLUG] Opening shots in the server wars.

2000-04-20 Thread Adam Kennedy

Embrace and Extend for Linux

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2000/Apr00/WinUNIXPR.asp

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Re: [SLUG] using 'tee' ##

2000-04-20 Thread Minh Van

 What you want is this
 
 tcpdump -i ppp0 | tee -a /tcpdump.log
 
 This will show you the output on the screen AND save it in the file
 /tcpdump.log

why doesn't it work then ?

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[SLUG] tcpdump tee

2000-04-20 Thread Minh Van

ok. after further consultations on irc i found out that when piping
tcpdump output, output will only go in chunks of 4 kbs of data. so when i
did 'tcpdump -i ppp0 | tee /tcpdump.log' on numerous retries i didn't get
input in /tcpdump.log straightaway like a 'tcpdump -i ppp0' (without
piping) would have, hence concluded that tee didn't work. my conclusion
was also based on 'tcpdump -i ppp0  /tcpdump.log' which also redirects
tcpdump output to a file immediately.

anyway, i was wondering whether 'tee' always logs in chunks of 4 kbs ?

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Re: [SLUG] using 'tee' ##

2000-04-20 Thread Peter Samuel

On Thu, 20 Apr 2000, Minh Van wrote:

  What you want is this
  
  tcpdump -i ppp0 | tee -a /tcpdump.log
  
  This will show you the output on the screen AND save it in the file
  /tcpdump.log
 
 why doesn't it work then ?

Define doesn't work?

How long do you run the command? If it's a short time, I/O buffering
may be getting in your way.

What happens when you run

echo hello | tee -a /tmp/hello

That works for me. Are you giving tcpdump the correct arguments?

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Re: [SLUG] Now OT - Warning - AMP snail spam

2000-04-20 Thread Ben Donohue

well whenever i go to one of these expo's, i put myself down as director
or manager or something important.
this way when they do a database search for directors to send them the
free lunches, free passes, free whatever, etc then you get it.
has worked several times for me!

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[SLUG] OT-HW-Tekram SCSI Cards

2000-04-20 Thread Terry Collins

Hello Folks

Has anyone used a Tekram SCSI controller and had the boot SCI disk on
it?

I've always had the joy of using Adaptecs and seeing them load their
BIOs when appropriate, but this card (DC-315) does zilch. SO, I'm left
scratching my head wondering how I get it to load the system from a
disk on it.

Unfortunately, my adaptec 1542CF squarked about is bios being the
wrong type for this card, so...

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[SLUG] Re: [2600-HW] My Surplus(?) Hardware

2000-04-20 Thread Adam

If you still have the scsi hard disk and the scsi cards and even the scsi
tape, the paralell network cards, the creative labs sound cards

id be apreciative ;) if you could send them to brisbane, cod 

and my shitbox of a computer would thank you

tthanks very much

adam 

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Re: [SLUG] Linux In Schools

2000-04-20 Thread Ben Donohue



Rev Simon Rumble wrote:
 
 On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Steve Kowalik wrote:
 
  "We have to run what the CEO (Catholic Education Office) says,"
 
 Wow there's a canonical operating system?  Does this mean I'll go to hell
 for using Linux?  cackle

No.
Actually the Vatican website uses Netscape-Enterprise/3.5.1 on Compaq
Tru64 UNIX 

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Re: [SLUG] Network Errors

2000-04-20 Thread Ben Donohue

Australian PCAuthority had a fairly good article on how and why these
sort of network errors cause problems.
April 2000 issue. page 188.

basically try manually setting the cards to half duplex first, 10mbs,
etc.
also some hubs set themselves (all their ports) to the speed and/or
duplex of the *first* network card that connects. all the others have to
conform to that. too bad if the second connecting card is switched to
full duplex, 100mbs. it will have problems connecting etc.

well this is what the article says anyway.
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Re: [SLUG] Opening shots in the server wars.

2000-04-20 Thread Howard Lowndes

Fascinating.  It sounds just as if M$ have realised that they are losing
the battle, principally against Linux (but they are not prepared to admit
as much), and are trying their level best to salvage something from the
stouch (?sp).

Now is the time to prove that they have lost the battle.

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 Embrace and Extend for Linux
 
 http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2000/Apr00/WinUNIXPR.asp
 
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Re: [SLUG] e-commerce software

2000-04-20 Thread Ben Donohue

seen minivend?
www.minivend.com

Daniel Finn wrote:
 
 anybody know of any linux compatable e-commerce software that works with
 creditcard sales in australia which is free???
 
 Thanks
 
 Daniel Finn
 
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Re: [SLUG] Opening shots in the server wars.

2000-04-20 Thread Alexander Else

The article is about a software suite designed to help bring unix systems 
over to NT, seemingly without necessarily providing the same level of 
integration of NT services back onto unix.  Or at least that is what i 
inferred when reading the article.  It must provide some level of 
functionality in both directions, but it'll be heavily geared towards 
moving you off reliance on unix.

At 07:11 PM 4/20/00 +1000, Howard Lowndes wrote:
Fascinating.  It sounds just as if M$ have realised that they are losing
the battle, principally against Linux (but they are not prepared to admit
as much), and are trying their level best to salvage something from the
stouch (?sp).


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[SLUG] How does the linker resolve names.

2000-04-20 Thread Rodos

The problem that I had for most of the day was due to the resolving of
function names, eg the wrong function was getting called.

I had a function called send() which was in an object file prl.o which was
been linked into my program. The problem occurred when the program ran
some other chunk of code in a shareable image which in turn called send()
which it was expecting to come out of libc.so, it got mine instead and
from there the confusion ensewed.

So is this just something one should know and therefore prefix all ones
functions with "kldfjgj". I had -Wall but got no warnings. Or is this just
the way it is when it comes to shared libraries.

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[SLUG] Gnome Question

2000-04-20 Thread Dennis Gray

I just attempted my first ./configure of a Gnome application and it
complained with the following message:

checking for gnomeConf.sh file in /usr/local/lib... not found
configure: error: Could not find the gnomeConf.sh file that is generated
by gnome-libs install

I am looking around the Gnome Web site for some help but if someone knows
the answer right away, can you please let me know? 

Thanks,

Dennis

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Re: [SLUG] tcpdump tee

2000-04-20 Thread Tony Cook

This is tcpdump doing the buffering, if you supply the -l option to
tcpdump it will use line buffering which should make it a bit easier to
use in an interactive pipeline.

On Thu, 20 Apr 2000, Minh Van wrote:

 ok. after further consultations on irc i found out that when piping
 tcpdump output, output will only go in chunks of 4 kbs of data. so when i
 did 'tcpdump -i ppp0 | tee /tcpdump.log' on numerous retries i didn't get
 input in /tcpdump.log straightaway like a 'tcpdump -i ppp0' (without
 piping) would have, hence concluded that tee didn't work. my conclusion
 was also based on 'tcpdump -i ppp0  /tcpdump.log' which also redirects
 tcpdump output to a file immediately.
 
 anyway, i was wondering whether 'tee' always logs in chunks of 4 kbs ?
 
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[SLUG] RedHat 6.1 and power management

2000-04-20 Thread Peter Nelson

Hi all,

I am a *complete* newbie so if this message makes it, that's another rung
up the ladder...
I have just joined the list so not sure if this question has been
raised/answered.

I have RH 6.1 on a PII 233 with 64MB RAM.

The problem I have is that if I have a telnet session from my Win box to
the Linux box and the Linux monitor goes into "sleep" mode, my telnet
session hangs then disconnects. I cannot ping or open another Telnet session.

If I move the mouse on the Linux box to "wake up" the monitor, I can ping
Linux and get a new active telnet session.

Weird?!?

Where should I check for settings etc that may help fix this problem? BIOS,
config files?

Any help appreciated. I am hoping to develop a Unix/Linux background to
help push my Windows/NetWare background aside :-)

Cheers

Peter Nelson

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RE: [SLUG] Frontpage extensions Apache

2000-04-20 Thread Graeme Merrall

Microsoft also has them available on their site in various flavours. They
used to be put together by a company called Ready To Run Sofwtare but I
haven't checked it out for a while but I know that M$ still provides the
software and they're keeping it current. FP2000 server extensions for Linux
are available.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/languages/fp/2000/unixfpse.asp

Cheers,
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Re: [SLUG] RedHat 6.1 and power management

2000-04-20 Thread Howard Lowndes

Stabbing in the dark a bit on this one, but Linux power management has two
aspects.

1. kernel configuration, which will require a
reconfiguration/recompilation of the kernel - as a newbie, not something
to be undertaken lightly.

2. as a boot time script in /etc/rc.d/init.d/apmd

I could be way off track, but my first instinct would be to run:
/etc/rc.d/init.d/apmd stop
and see what effect that had.  If you run:
ntsysv
then you get a semi-graphical interface that will allow you to
enable/disable those daemons that get started at boot time, one of which
is apmd.

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On Thu, 20 Apr 2000, Peter Nelson wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I am a *complete* newbie so if this message makes it, that's another rung
 up the ladder...
 I have just joined the list so not sure if this question has been
 raised/answered.
 
 I have RH 6.1 on a PII 233 with 64MB RAM.
 
 The problem I have is that if I have a telnet session from my Win box to
 the Linux box and the Linux monitor goes into "sleep" mode, my telnet
 session hangs then disconnects. I cannot ping or open another Telnet session.
 
 If I move the mouse on the Linux box to "wake up" the monitor, I can ping
 Linux and get a new active telnet session.
 
 Weird?!?
 
 Where should I check for settings etc that may help fix this problem? BIOS,
 config files?
 
 Any help appreciated. I am hoping to develop a Unix/Linux background to
 help push my Windows/NetWare background aside :-)
 
 Cheers
 
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[SLUG] OT-HW- fibre Optic cable needs testing

2000-04-20 Thread Terry Collins

Hello Folks

I have a 30 metre fibre optic patch cable I would like tested before I
plan on using it for anything serious.

Trouble is it is SCREW - not the normal lug and twist. Can anyone help
out or put me onto a cheap source of the AUI-FO boxes with screw
fitting?

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[SLUG] samba trouble (re-post)

2000-04-20 Thread Robert Smith

re post sorry for the spelling in first one

Hi all
O.K. here it is
I shear a small LAN with my Wife and Kid. I'm trying to convert over to
running a Linux box on my Machine instead of WinDoz 98 as I have to at
work :-]
wile I've read all I can on samba and even bought "samba in 24 hours" as

a reference book I still can't seam to get it to work at all. :-[
I have setup redhat 6.1 from the APCmag edition and used the samba RPM
on the additional CD supplied to install v2.0.5a.
I have tried both SWAT and gtksamba to configure and test it.
My main problem is that when I try to run a status check on smb I
always get "can't open /var/lock/samba/STATUS.LCK "file error message.
Can I just put a blank file in that directory and let samba do as it
likes with it or do I have to reload samba from scratch, ether RPM or
the tar file.?

please help

Rob



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[SLUG] samba trouble

2000-04-20 Thread Robert Smith

Hi all
O.K. here it is
I shear a small LAN with my Wife and Kid. I'm trying to convert over to
runing a Linux box on my Mashene insted of WinDoz 98 as I have to at
work :-]
wile I've read all I can on samba and even bought "samba in 24 hours" as
a refrence book I still can't seam to get it to work at all. :-[
I have setup redhat 6.1 from the APCmag edition and used the samba RPM
on the aditional CD suplyed to install v2.0.5a.
I have tryed both SWAT and gtksamba to configer and test it.
My main problem is that when I try to run a status check on smb I
allways get "can't open /var/lock/samba/STATUS.LCK "file errour mesage.
Can I just put a blank file in that directory and let samba do as it
likes with it or do I have to reload samba from scratch, ether RPM or
the tar file.?

please help

Rob

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[SLUG] modems

2000-04-20 Thread Robert Smith

I heared that there is a way to use a 'win modem' with linux
is there?
if so how

Rob

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Re: [SLUG] PnP Modem

2000-04-20 Thread Jim Hague

On 19-Apr-2000 John Francis wrote:
 I think it's time for me to give up and just get a new external modem.
 (Refer to previous message attached below).

I'm coming in late here (I missed the previous messages), but I have an ISA PnP
modem working happily so I'll have a go. I hope I'm not just repeating what has
gone before.

I have my modem set up with its registers at 0x200 and using IRQ 12 - i.e. not
a standard COManything. I had to set IRQ12 as 'Not for PnP' in the BIOS, but
apart from that it was plain sailing; I deliberately didn't want anything
taking the COM1/2/3/4 IRQs 4  3 (I want both COM1 and COM2 working) so thought
I might as well put everything miles away from the usual COM places.

The key is getting the correct runes in /etc/isapnp.conf, which I must admit
took this bear of very little brain a certain amount of fiddling. If you'd like
to drop over the output from pnpdump and your /etc/isapnp.conf, I'd be happy to
take a look through and compare with my /etc/isapnp.conf. I'm off work at the
moment mostly bedridden (damaged L5 disc giving my left sciatic nerve hell -
only another hour to the next morphine dose) so a little puzzle to pass the
time would be nice. :-)

It certainly sounds like you have port and/or IRQ clashes at the mo.
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[SLUG] Netscpae plugin for mpeg2 movies?

2000-04-20 Thread Grant Parnell

I was trying to view the movies from www.tvradio.com and only got as
far as the shockwave flash stuff. It would be nice to be able to watch
some of the main features. I have xmovie installed but can't seem to
tell Netscape to either download the file to disk or use xmovie to
play it. Does anybody know where to start looking? 

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Re: [SLUG] Netscpae plugin for mpeg2 movies?

2000-04-20 Thread DaZZa

On Fri, 21 Apr 2000, Grant Parnell wrote:

 I was trying to view the movies from www.tvradio.com and only got as
 far as the shockwave flash stuff. It would be nice to be able to watch
 some of the main features. I have xmovie installed but can't seem to
 tell Netscape to either download the file to disk or use xmovie to
 play it. Does anybody know where to start looking? 

You have to add a line to one of the netscape config files in your
.netscape directory - it's all inth e docco - I got shockwave flash
working fine.

I'm not at home or I'd tell you exactly what to add - working sucks, but
at time and a half, I need the money! :-)

DaZZa

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Re: [SLUG] PnP Modem

2000-04-20 Thread John Francis


- Original Message -
From: Jim Hague [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 5:50 AM

 The key is getting the correct runes in /etc/isapnp.conf, which I must
admit
 took this bear of very little brain a certain amount of fiddling. If you'd
like
 to drop over the output from pnpdump and your /etc/isapnp.conf, I'd be
happy to
 take a look through and compare with my /etc/isapnp.conf.

I've attached all the relevant files and outputs.  The file names and
extensions have been truncated because of the way my winnt/linux share
partition works.

 I'm off work at the
 moment mostly bedridden (damaged L5 disc giving my left sciatic nerve
hell -
 only another hour to the next morphine dose) so a little puzzle to
pass the
 time would be nice. :-)

Sorry to hear about the back, hope you get well soon.

John
"Still trying to think of a quote worthy enough"


 ioports.AFT
 ioports.BEF
 isapnp.CON
 isapnp.OUT
 dmesg.TTY
 setseria.G


Re: [SLUG] MS font pack

2000-04-20 Thread John Francis


- Original Message -
From: Jim Hague [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Brad Thomson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 7:33 PM


 Oh well. Short version for RH file layout:

 mkdir /usr/lib/X11/fonts/ttf
 copy all .ttf files into above
 cd /usr/lib/X11/fonts/ttf
 /usr/sbin/ttmkfdir  fonts.dir
 cp fonts.dir fonts.scale
 add /usr/lib/X11/fonts/ttf to catalogue = in /etc/X11/fs/config
 quit X, restart xfs, restart X (you could always reboot if you prefer :-))
 run up xfontsel and admire all your new screen fonts


Done that and it worked fine except that the new fonts only seem to come in
sizes 0 and 12.  e.g. when I try to change the default font size in netscape
I only get those two options, also in the gnome and kde font
selectors/viewers.  Also, about netscape, why does netscape show the fonts
at a ridiculously small size and how to I change that?

John


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