Re: [SLUG] Procmail woes
On Tue, 2 May 2000, Nick Croft wrote: It still won't work. I set it up in another user on the same machine and it all works fine!! I'm sorry, I haven't been following this too closely, but I've some experience with procmail. If you find that it's not doing what you're expecting, it can be useful to put a line like: LOGFILE=/tmp/andrew.procmail.log in the top of your .procmailrc . For my SLUG splitoff, this gives a log something like: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue May 2 05:26:52 2000 Subject: [SLUG] Re: May 19th -- Preview of Development Tools for Linux Folder: /home/andrew/mail/SLUG 2844 From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue May 2 05:51:54 2000 Subject: [SLUG] computerworld story Folder: /home/andrew/mail/SLUG 1881 and allows you to track where it's dumping your mail. -- Andrew Shipton - http://www.careless.net/andrew/ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity."-- Dave Barry -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Routing across ethernet and ppp?
Connecting machine 3 the way you have on the same hub with those settings is a
bad bad bad idea..
I am sure plenty will point out why.. but I don't have time to go into detail
just right now
Quoting erich [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Without knowing your subnet masking {but assuming a standard class C
mask
of 255.255.255.0}, you have a single machine with two IP addresses on
the
same subnet but different interfaces. From memory, this will
completely
screw routing. The box won't know which interface to throw packets for
the
subnet out on.
I then have a question, could the following setup work? ( I am not
syaing it is the best)
Machine 1: internet gateway
PPP0: 139.x.x.x, netmask ?
eth0: 203.x.x.1 netmask 255.255.255.0
default route GW = 139.x.x.x ppp0
route add net 192.168.0.0 eht0
route add net 203.x.x.0 eht0
which gets connected to the local hub.
On the same hub:
Machine 2: NT box with web server
eth0: 203.x.x.2 netmask 255.255.255.0
dafault route GW=139.x.x.x eth0
I don't know how to add routes to NT Machines
Machine 3 and more on the same hub but with private addresses
eth0: 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0
route add net 203.x.x.0 eht0
default route GW = 139.x.x.x eth0
Cheers
Erich
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Re: [SLUG] File open signals???
On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 10:41:43AM +1000, John Francis wrote: Is there a way to get the kernel to send me a signal when a particular file is opened/closed. Don't know about that, theres a few random signature generates that makes .signature a named pipe, you can then be notified when its read. What i would like to do is have a program running that waits for my .signature file to be opened and closed and then proceed to replace the contents of that file. If you want to "cheat", have a look at http://www.caliban.org/linux_signature.html, or search freshmeat. -- chesty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Procmail woes
On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 01:05:13PM +1000, Nick Croft wrote: It still won't work. I set it up in another user on the same machine and it all works fine!! I wonder what's wrong with my account. The simple minded approach would be to tar all my stuff, wipe the account and start again. Not very elegant though. Hmm, kinda tough to debug remotely. Check: 1. permissions on your home directory / .forward / .procmailrc 2. anything in /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messgaes complaining about something else (groups, etc.) 3. perhaps it is something to do with your shell, are they same? Anand -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Routing across ethernet and ppp?
On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 01:25:12PM +1000, erich wrote: I then have a question, could the following setup work? ( I am not syaing it is the best) Machine 1: internet gateway PPP0: 139.x.x.x, netmask ? eth0: 203.x.x.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 default route GW = 139.x.x.x ppp0 route add net 192.168.0.0 eht0 route add net 203.x.x.0 eht0 I don't think you need to add the 203.x.x.0 route, it gets made automatically when you configure eth0 with its ip address (with kernel 2.2.x) which gets connected to the local hub. On the same hub: Machine 2: NT box with web server eth0: 203.x.x.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 dafault route GW=139.x.x.x eth0 I don't know how to add routes to NT Machines For this machine GW would be the ip address of Machine 1's eth0 interface, 203.x.x.1 Machine 3 and more on the same hub but with private addresses eth0: 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 route add net 203.x.x.0 eht0 default route GW = 139.x.x.x eth0 This isn't going to work. I think it would be neater if you gave Machine 1's eth0 interface two ip addresses, the valid 203.x.x.1 address and a private 192.168.0.1, then setup masquerading on machine 1, etc. Lots of fun. Machine 3 would look like eth0: 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 default route GW = 192.168.0.1 eth0 -- chesty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Re: [LINK] Warnings over second flaw in Red Hat Linux
You know, this reminds me of someone: John Vranesevich, AntiOnline :-) Matt On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 11:06:26AM +1000, Rick Welykochy wrote: On Tue, 2 May 2000, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: Warnings over second "flaw" in Red Hat Linux Australian IT http://www.australianit.com.au/common/storyPage/0,3811,633573%255E442,00.html DOMINIQUE JACKSON [SNIP] Mr Todd challenged to members of the "Link" mailing list to put their Red Hat servers up for hacking, and has succeeded in hacking nine of 17 systems owned by government agencies, ISPs, businesses and individuals. He said that when he had broken through all the servers, an email would be sent to their owners telling them that their systems had been violated. A message also would be sent to the Link list and the AusISP list with details of the servers hacked and the security flaw. Mr Todd said he hoped to finish the task in the next fortnight. Well Mr Todd ... put up or shutup. Substantiate your claims. You've stated your case, let's see the list of hacked machines. And the exploit. The Linux community deserves at least this much. The IT community does at least the same for MS boxes ;-) The damage Mr Todd is doing to the image of Linux through mainstream media is incalculable, and all for his own benefit. Mr Todd, your image has been besmerked beyond repair by this episode. In comtempt, Rick Welykochy -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services -- Matthew "Austin" Chapman SysAdmin, Developer, Samba Team Member -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] licq win98SE time out ??
yer i found that just after i sent the message but no luck. thanks after instecting the tcplogs it looks like the udp messages are not being recieved by the win98SE box but licq seems to be able to resolve the hostname alright. is there anything that may stop udp messages being sent? alex On Tue, 02 May 2000, you wrote: Alex, 17:14:58: [UDP] Requesting logon (#13458)... 17:14:58: [UDP] Resolving icq.mirrabilis.com... ^^ This might be your problem Try changing the servers to icq.mirabilis.com (1 "r") i have tried all the icq servers what could this mean?? it's not actually an ICQ server? - Simon -- And the Lord said: "Let there be Windows(tm)!" And the sky went blue... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] File open signals???
John Francis wrote: ... Is there a way to get the kernel to send me a signal when a particular file is opened/closed. No, there isn't. There is an interesting kernel extension which SGI are playing around with called 'famimon' - File Access monitor and inode Monitor. This patch and daemon allow userland processes to be notified when an inode is modified. The KDE and GNOME guys who know about it are keen because it allows GUI file managers to update themselves without having to poll the filesystem. With a bit of pushing, encouragement and slimming, this extension may be an option for kernel 2.5. We'll see. -- -akpm- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] SLUGgers response to RMS on Slashdot?
Hi all, I'm sure most of you have either heard about or read the RMS interview on Slashdot already, so I won't bore with a summary (RTFA!)... http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/05/01/1052216mode=nocomment I haven't had the chance to see him speak at all, so I've always wanted to hear his point of view beyond the www.gnu.org writings, so I was quite impressed with this. The Open Source perspective has been really convenient for me, as the arguments are easy to present, and quite well proven (if you're not completely against the whole concept to begin with). It would be much harder to convince tech and non-tech management of the relevance of the FSF's political and philosophical views. Is it possible that Open Source is the frontline for acceptance of Free Software, or have RMS' ideals been taken over and twisted around? I was really inspired by RMS' responses, and I'd just like to know what other SLUGgers feel about him and the FS/OS arguments... - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "make: *** No rule to make target `whoopee'. Stop." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] File open signals???
There is an interesting kernel extension which SGI are playing around with called 'famimon' - File Access monitor and inode Monitor. Raster's using it in EFM (enlightenment file manager) too. From his less-than-frequent diary entries, it seems like it's going well. He certainly has high praise for it at the start of development. I wouldn't be surprised if he piped up about it here... Hey Raster! How cool is it? :) BTW Raster, Have you thought about using advogato for your diary entries? I'd be keen to follow your dev progress more regularly... :) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "make: *** No rule to make target `whoopee'. Stop." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Breaking Up MS - The Fix Is At Hand
z2192363 wrote: Although breaking up Microsoft may go some way to increasing competition and innovation, what is there to stop something similar from happening again? snip Whether or not a breakup of MS will actually do anything significant can only be told by time I think. snip I think that MS can still make an appeal and get this decision overturned or the penalty reduced. Even if it doesn't succeed in the appeal, it could delay the implementation of the penalty for years. so what does everyone think? am i just full of craP? = ) Jin A. Due to its financial power, it is unlikely that we will see anything significant happen to Microsoft in the forseeable future. B. Even in the unlikely event that Microsoft is forced to break apart in the USA there is nothing to stop them moving off shore and continuing to operate in some TPLAC (as Sir Humphrey put it). Stay well and happy Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] SLUGgers response to RMS on Slashdot?
Jeff Waugh wrote:
I was really inspired by RMS' responses, and I'd just like to know what
other SLUGgers feel about him and the FS/OS arguments...
Well, yep, I have a problem with RMS - he makes too much good sense
and the more I read the more I believe FS is the ideal to aim for. Not
opposed to OS, but rather see it as a step along the way. FS is just
sharing and most stuff develops faster when it is shared.
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Re: [SLUG] SLUGgers response to RMS on Slashdot?
snip Jeff Waugh wrote: I was really inspired by RMS' responses, and I'd just like to know what other SLUGgers feel about him and the FS/OS arguments... snip RMS' opinion about free software... good RMS' opinion about other topics... maybe not. he's not an expert on everything and nor am i. -- _|_ | Thanks, iCafe PTY Limited Ben DonohueWeb Hosting Design [EMAIL PROTECTED]Small Business Office Networks Ph. 0011 61 2 9705 7520 http://www.icafe.com.au Mobile: 0417 018 600ACN 080 665 907 Freedom isn't doing what you want... Freedom is knowing what to do -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] IBM App Dev Kit for inux
Aravind Naidu wrote: Yeh!! Yeh!! Good isn't it. I am a commercial developer of these IBM s/w for yonks and when IBM announced this, I could not believe it. What do you need to know ? I guess I'm overwhlemed by the documentation (and it's quality! IBM do a good job). I'd like to know the viability of starting a large e-commerce project using the IBM kit. And what it's like to use Java Servlets as compared to perl/python scripting. Does the Websphere product offer any built-in scripting? Or is it Java based? Since IBM HTTPD is based on Apache, I imgine we could use perl where it suited us. I wonder if you can compile your own IBM HTTPD? Or is it "out of the box?" Thanks, Rick W -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Redhat 6.2 install experience (signal7 or 11 errors)
Hi Slug members, a few weeks ago I posted a message saying I had trouble installing Redhat 6.2. Problem: I kept getting signal 7 and signal 11 during installation. I checked the help page on Redhat's FAQ and it suggested hardware problems like RAM. Solution: It was nothing to do with the hardware (phew). I found the problem to the CD-R that was made. My Pentium75 with quad speed cd was having trouble reading this particular CD-R. So what I did was make a copy but burning it at 2x speed. And now the install works fine! (stating the obvious...) I noticed that if the Redhat Installer takes a long time to come up, the cd drive is probably having trouble reading the CD. (shouldn't take more then a minute from boot floppy disk...) btw: the disk was purchased at a local linux merchant. have fun! Adrian. -- Access1 http://www.access1.com.au Address MLC Centre, Level 46 19-29 Martin Place, Sydney NSW 2000 Phone +61 2 9233 8883 Fax+61 2 9233 8885 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] SLUGgers response to RMS on Slashdot?
On Wed, 3 May 2000, Ben Donohue wrote: RMS' opinion about free software... good RMS' opinion about other topics... maybe not. he's not an expert on everything and nor am i. RMS is just your typical eccentric. Without him and other like him, we would have a much more conservative and downright sad view of the world. BTW I regard with favour RMS' opinions on tabbouleh. rachel Rachel Polanskis University of Western Sydney, Nepean Senior UNIX AdminPO Box 10, Kingswood NSW 2747 Systems OperationsInformation Technology Services, Kingswood [EMAIL PROTECTED]Phone: +61 (0247) 360 291 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Procmail woes
Once again thanks to all who helped me get procmail happening. It's a great tool. In the process I `lost' 60 or so messages. Looking at /var/log/maillog for the relevant period I see the messages logged with "Stat=queued". Any thoughts on where they may be queued. The log doesn't seem to be saying. Nick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Routing across ethernet and ppp?
"DaZZa" == DaZZa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DaZZa On Tue, 2 May 2000, Jason Lowe wrote: Computer 1: * ppp0: 203.x.x.121 (Direct connection to Telstra Big Pond) * eth0: 203.x.x.123 DaZZa This is your first problem. Actually it's not a problem iff your routing table is set up correctly. I used a very similar setup for years. The trick is to know the IP of the other end of the PPP link. On box 2, set route add default remote-IP route add remote-IP gw 203.x.x.123 On box 1, set route add default remote-IP You can do this semi-automagicly if you're running routed or gated. Peter C -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Reaction to RMS on /. plus ESRs writings
Sluggers, In response to the thread to RMS on /. I though it may be useful to tell people about Eric Raymond's writings too. I found them to be very insightful into the whole open-source idea. The ones especially useful are, The Cathedral and Bazaar, Homesteading the Noosphere and finally The Magic Cauldron. They can be found at: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/ along with a few other neat pieces. Happy reading. Jo Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Redhat 6.2 install experience (signal7 or 11 errors)
Solution: It was nothing to do with the hardware (phew). I found the problem to the CD-R that was made. My Pentium75 with quad speed cd was having trouble reading this particular CD-R. So what I did was make a copy but burning it at 2x speed. And now the install works fine! (stating the obvious...) I noticed that if the Redhat Installer takes a long time to come up, the cd drive is probably having trouble reading the CD. (shouldn't take more then a minute from boot floppy disk...) btw: the disk was purchased at a local linux merchant. Aging and older model CDROM drives, and yours is a 4x, have more trouble reading CD-Rs than pressed CDs. Apparently the signal strength is lower. It also depends a bit on the CD-R material, some dyes have better "contrast" than others. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] IBM App Dev Kit for inux
On Wed, 3 May 2000, Rick Welykochy wrote: Aravind Naidu wrote: I guess I'm overwhlemed by the documentation (and it's quality! IBM do a good job). Yeah, it is nice to get spoilt from time to time. Does the Websphere product offer any built-in scripting? Or is it Java based? You'd use JSP (Java Server Pages) for that. This whole solution is very "Javaish". I've done some development work using this environment, and on the whole its pretty nice. I'd say that the component that was the flakiest was WebSphere Studio - on Windoze, which explains a fair bit). WebSphere App. Server v3 for Linux will be good, as will WebSphere Studio for Linux I had to use Windoze just for WebSphere Studio - tell IBM that you want a FULL Linux solution. Since IBM HTTPD is based on Apache, I imgine we could use perl where it suited us. Shouldn't be a problem. I wonder if you can compile your own IBM HTTPD? Or is it "out of the box?" I don't believe their flavour has available source. Thanks, Rick W -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] IBM App Dev Kit for inux
I'd like to know the viability of starting a large e-commerce project using the IBM kit. IBM provide a host of features to do this in a open systems kind of way. Currently the servlet engine version level on Linux is lower than NT, but it is soon to be fixed. One to watch out for is that if you deploy your application on the IBM s/w then you need to pay for it. But, you could do development here and deploy to Apache/Tomcat And what it's like to use Java Servlets as compared to perl/python scripting. It is fast. Blazingly fast. If you have any thoughts on that Java is slow, put it aside. Java on the server side is all cached and the servlet compiles one and so does the JSP page and for dynamic page rendering it is the fastest we have found. There a lot of benefits with using the servlet/JSP model. Session management over the stateless HTTP protocol is a joy to use. If you have done cookie/url rewriting in the past with C/Perl/etc.., you will be amazed to see how easy the servlet api is to use. VAJ is a good tool to code/test your servlets. Just needs lots of memory. Does the Websphere product offer any built-in scripting? Or is it Java based? Out of the box scripting is Java based both for the server side and the client side presentation. Since IBM HTTPD is based on Apache, I imgine we could use perl where it suited us. Yes I wonder if you can compile your own IBM HTTPD? Or is it "out of the box?" IBM supplies the source code from which they compiled Apache. So, you can recompile it if you want to. They only value add the SSL / GUI based admin and also provide a performance pack with a cache accelerator and a Network Dispatcher. -- Aravind -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] IBM App Dev Kit for inux
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Re: [SLUG] IBM App Dev Kit for inux
Someone said the source is supplied, but Apache also isn't GPL anyway. On Wed, 3 May 2000, Peter Rundle wrote: I don't believe their flavour has available source. Isn't this a violation of the GPL? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] IBM App Dev Kit for inux
Isn't this a violation of the GPL? Not when Apache is under the... Apache Licence. :) Another one to add to the collection! - Jeff -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Adam Todd - Put up or Shutup (fwd)
This is getting absurd (on TWO, count 'em TWO other mailing lists), but I thought SLUGGERs might like a bit of the entertainment ... after all, it is the reputation of our favourite O/S that is being tarnsihed here ... -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:11:57 +1000 (EST) From: Alan Hargreaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINK] Re: [Oz-ISP] Adam Todd - "Put up or Shutup" Adam, at no point did I say that you should have posted the description to the list. I believe that my actual words were "to have simply replied to Scott". As the demands on your time are high and the the impression that I get from what little you have said is that it is a relatively simple hack, then why not simply mail a description of the hack to any of the people that have either asked for their boxes to be attacked or expressed an interest ing getting the problem fixed. Perhaps one of them will have more time available to chase up properly. The way that you are handling this is giving the impression that you are going out of your way to make sure that it does NOT get fixed. Adam wrote: Gee, 15 minutes on the phone about security and 40 minutes about Viper and Albury in the Federal Court. I can see how that priority might be confused. You missed my point Adam. How long would it have taken to describe the problem? Less than either of those perhaps? I wrote: Wouldn't it have been simpler and more productive to have simply replied to Scott with something like "I don't have the time available to take up your challenge, however, this is what the problem is." Adam Replied Oh sure, but I got so much email from so many people begging me to reasons as to why I've got better thigs to do. How could I resist the 6 minutes of relaxation and creative writing to formulate a reply that, appears to have entertained a number of people. Ahh, so your prioritisation places entertaining people on Link above fixing a serious security bug in a widely used operating system. By refusing any comment on the "bug" other than "I've got a secret", you are not doing your professional reputation a lot of good. I haven't done any such thing. I've been told off on both lists before for providng too much or too complex levels of detail. I did my best to provide an overview and open an opportunity for dialouge with anyone seriously interested. You may not be aware of it, but it is exactly what you are doing. What exactly makes you believe that nobody who has asked you for details is not seriously interested? I recall Rob Hart expressed an interest and I didn't see anything constructive from you there (admittedly I have no idea if you DID take him up in private email as would probably have been apropriate). If Scott was serious, he'd just publish the IP address, but no, he's playing a game. He is not affording the opportunity for me to attampt a hack on his box with certainly. He wishes to set triggers and salarms on a sniffer to therefore do anything he can to stop the data from the "knwon ip addresses" in order to allow the process to fail. What would this gain anyone? If there is a real problem, then the idea of the extra monitoring is to get as much information as possible in order to get the bug fixed. This is the aim of the exercise isn't it? Bit like me offering yu a challenge. Alan, I want you to write me a 10 page document in Microsoft Word formated document. You can't use any application that exports or saves in the format. You must code the document by hand using the "echo" command under Unix and further you can't use a Unix Machine. Pretty dumb huh? I fail to see any similarity at all. How about this. After 12 May I'll take up Scotts challenge under the following condition: 1. Scott pay me in cleared funds an amount of $5000. 2. If I can't break the box I will make a formal and public appology on list and in the media for full circulation. 3. If I do break the box, Scott sends me $5000 a month for 12 months based and issues a public appology for full circulation on list and media. Sounds pretty good to me. Sounds pretty mercenary to me. Basically what you are saying is that you know of a major security hole, but you won't tell anyone what it is unless there is a lot of money it it for you. I don't think that Scott is the one playing games. alan. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Adam Todd - Put up or Shutup
And one more ... a bit of an extortion attempt from A.Todd this time. Amused yet? You will be when your CIO comes to you in a panic wanting to uninstall all you hard-gained Linux boxes ; ref. to article entitled "Warnings over second 'flaw' in Red Hat Linux" in Tues' Australian) -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:17:44 +1000 (EST) From: Rick Welykochy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Alan Hargreaves [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINK] Re: [Oz-ISP] Adam Todd - "Put up or Shutup" On Wed, 3 May 2000, Adam Todd wrote: I haven't seen the Australian article yet. Don't even know what's in it. But as I speak to Journalists with some frequency, it's hardly a demand on my time. That's strange. It was published in its entirety on this list yesterday. How about this. After 12 May I'll take up Scotts challenge under the following condition: 1. Scott pay me in cleared funds an amount of $5000. 2. If I can't break the box I will make a formal and public appology on list and in the media for full circulation. 3. If I do break the box, Scott sends me $5000 a month for 12 months based and issues a public appology for full circulation on list and media. Sounds pretty good to me. Sounds like extortion to me. In effect, you are holding the open source community to ransom with a "bug/exploit" only you seem to know about and are now demanding upwards of $60,000 to demonstrate and reveal (?) said exploit. I still say: put up or shutup. You are wasting the list's time and bandwidth and most of all, your reputation is wasting away by the minute. My apologies to the list for belabouring this issue, but it is an issue which has needlessly opened a can of worms on a number of fronts, and for seemingly selfish and useless reasons. rgds Rick W -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Adam Todd - Put up or Shutup
On Wed, 3 May 2000, Rick Welykochy wrote: And one more ... a bit of an extortion attempt from A.Todd this time. Amused yet? You will be when your CIO comes to you in a panic wanting to uninstall all you hard-gained Linux boxes ; ref. to article entitled "Warnings over second 'flaw' in Red Hat Linux" in Tues' Australian) I wanna know how much Microsoft are paying Mr Todd to continue this bullshit. It's pushing Linux back 10 years. DaZZa - not impressed at all -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Adam Todd - Put up or Shutup
He's a complete looney - it's the only explanation. I don't really care if he is or he isn't, but when he's spreading unconfirmed rumours like this, I care - thus the reason for the challenge. The challenge has now been modified - Adam now have full, unrestricted access to the box in question (which is just a standard RH6.2 server install with zero modifications). I know he's not going to agree to try and hack it (because then he would have to admit defeat when he fails), but at least I've got him looking like an idiot (just in case anyone didnt already realise). I just hope the jurnos from the Australian are watching and taking notes... Scott. On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 12:49:47PM +1000, DaZZa wrote: On Wed, 3 May 2000, Rick Welykochy wrote: And one more ... a bit of an extortion attempt from A.Todd this time. Amused yet? You will be when your CIO comes to you in a panic wanting to uninstall all you hard-gained Linux boxes ; ref. to article entitled "Warnings over second 'flaw' in Red Hat Linux" in Tues' Australian) I wanna know how much Microsoft are paying Mr Todd to continue this bullshit. It's pushing Linux back 10 years. DaZZa - not impressed at all -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Adam Todd - Put up or Shutup
DaZZa wrote:
..snipped
It's pushing Linux back 10 years.
Nope, he has so clearly contradicted himself. Just equate him to the
guys that sell virus software and some of the more outlandish Y2K
salepeople/spokespersons.
Perhaps someone could correct my logic if it is wrong (but don't tell
your boss that).
If the problem is in the RH kernel, then it is in all distros of
gnu/Linux because RH use the same kernels.
It can not have been there for years as the kernel has changed
repeatedly over this time.
Lastly remind your boss of the Cold Fusion breakthrough that no one
else could duplicate and suggest it is just an extortion attempt (you
now have an email to show to back this up). Point out to the boss that
like the scientific field, gnu/linux shares advances and allows other
people to verify their claims, which is something that Mr Todd is not
doing, hence he is obviously a crook.
DaZZa - not impressed at all
Naah, just another opportunity to show the boss how stable gnu/linux
and open source really is. Just remember that incompetent journalists
needs crap like this to write about, otherwise they would have to
really work and do proper research.
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Re: [SLUG] Adam Todd - Put up or Shutup (fwd)
If I were Red Hat, I would consider legal action against The Australian, unless they can prove that their statements about the "Red Hat kernel" having un as-yet undocumented security hole are true. Its one thing for Adam Todd to make claims on this list - where we know him and have formed our own assesment of him. But to go into print giving these allegations wider exposure and respectability is a serious burden on: 1 - Red Hat. 2 - All other distributions. 3 - Open source software in general. 4 - The people who read the article and form false beliefs - so involving them in bad decisions and/or hours spent in argument and research. As Link is arguably a public forum, due to its searchable web archive, Adam has a responsibility to all the above to either prove his allegations or retract them and apologise *ASAP*. The Australian is certainly a public forum. The article by Dominique Jackson does not say that Adam's claims are true, and it does include contrary views, but I think that giving public prominence and respectability to grave allegations like this is a costly mistake for readers and others, and should be either substantiated or prominently retracted. The writer should have considered the broader picture - why wasn't this reported to Red Hat, BugTraq etc? The final sentence referring to a "backdoor" in Red Hat Linux is gravely misleading too. A backdoor, in my understanding, is put there deliberately and secretly to allow an attacker to breach security. What was discovered was an accidental password fault and a but which enabled an attacker to execute arbitrary commands when entering a password - for a program which I think is not by default installed. The article does not mention that the bug had been reported in the usual constructive way and that a patch was provided very rapidly. http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHSA-214-16.html I haven't seen a proper newspaper write-up of how you can crash most Windows 95/98 machines *completely* (ie. rescusitate with reset button) by accessing a URL such as file://c:/con/con - including by opening an HTML email which has an image with such a URL. Microsoft issued a patch quick-smart, but I imagine that most machines out there are still vulnerable. http://securax.org/pers/scx-sa-01.txt http://www.securityfocus.com/vdb/bottom.html?vid=1043 By the way, the BugTraq list archives, and handy lists of vulnerabilities can be found at: http://www.securityfocus.com/ - Robin -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Procmail woes
On Wed, 3 May 2000, Nick Croft wrote: In the process I `lost' 60 or so messages. Looking at /var/log/maillog for the relevant period I see the messages logged with "Stat=queued". Any thoughts on where they may be queued. The log doesn't seem to be saying. running "mailq" will show sendmails queue. bye -- 8888888 Ian Tester *8)# \7\LINUX: because geeks will find a way [EMAIL PROTECTED] \7\ http://www.zipworld.com.au/~imroy -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Linux trivia time
"What do Mary Poppins and the penguin have in common?" A very pro-Linux customer of mine just asked me that, but he didn't supply the answer. I might have to beat it out of him later (with my next invoice, of course). Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Linux trivia time
"What do Mary Poppins and the penguin have in common?" The umbrella. ??? Del -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Linux trivia time
The answer is a penquin, Tux-like, kite which he has just brought back from China for me. Penquins really do fly. Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au On Wed, 3 May 2000, Howard Lowndes wrote: "What do Mary Poppins and the penguin have in common?" A very pro-Linux customer of mine just asked me that, but he didn't supply the answer. I might have to beat it out of him later (with my next invoice, of course). Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Linux Trivia Time
On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 02:35:28PM +1000, Howard Lowndes wrote: "What do Mary Poppins and the penguin have in common?" A very pro-Linux customer of mine just asked me that, but he didn't supply the answer. I might have to beat it out of him later (with my next invoice, of course). Surely you've seen the movie? If you have, I'd have thought the answer would have been obvious... "Practically Perfect in Every Way" Cheers Paul Haddon Technical Services Manager Hartingdale Internet -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Linux Trivia Time
Paul Haddon wrote: Surely you've seen the movie? If you have, I'd have thought the answer would have been obvious... "Practically Perfect in Every Way" Damn! I was sure the answer was "Just a spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down"! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Linux Trivia Time
"Practically Perfect in Every Way" I just asked around work and got this response from a Linux newbie (who's just finished setting up sendmail): "You'd have to be on acid to understand either?" - Jeff -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Linux Trivia Time
And here I thought it was "Supercalafragilisticexpialidocious" (My spelling is bad enough on *Real* words ;) Jason. On Wed, 3 May 2000, Paul Haddon wrote: On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 02:35:28PM +1000, Howard Lowndes wrote: "What do Mary Poppins and the penguin have in common?" A very pro-Linux customer of mine just asked me that, but he didn't supply the answer. I might have to beat it out of him later (with my next invoice, of course). Surely you've seen the movie? If you have, I'd have thought the answer would have been obvious... "Practically Perfect in Every Way" Cheers Paul Haddon Technical Services Manager Hartingdale Internet -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text --- Jason Ball Electronic Commerce Specialist Corporate Express Australia Ltd Phone: +61 2 9335 0374 Fax: +61 2 9335 0753 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
