Re: [SLUG] [LINK] Microsoft Windows to disappear within two years, Media Release (fwd)
On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 04:22:44PM +1000, Charlie Brady wrote: A nice item from Tom Worthington from "link".. I wonder how long ago Tom wrote this... Umm.. from the bit you cut : } Monday, 15 May 2000, Melbourne - Tom Worthington, Visiting Fellow at the } Australian National University and IT author, says Microsoft Windows is So I'd guess roughly.. well.. today! Scott. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Optus@home - the verdict?
DaZZa wrote: All you guys who have got Optus2home cable. What's the verdict? Is it easy to make work with Linux? Is it worth the hassle of having to provide a Winblows machine for them to install to, and then moving to Linux? Do the problems with the Optus supplied ethernet I'd recommend giving the tech a windoze machine to install on, that way he can do the performance test and mark it as working. After he goes you can write down the network info like proxy, gateway etc. and then re-install Linux *8-) card still exist, and is there a workaround? The supplied card can be a bit dopey - I for one could not get it working reliably under Linux and as far as I'm concerned any nic that can't be configured in under twenty minutes is bin material *8-) I'm seriously looking at this - but comparing the features between the big puddle and Optus doesn't leave a lot of difference now. - and from reports, big puddle is a lot less hassle for Linux users. Optus customer support is good, but sometimes the onhold times (and the rotten optus song) can drive you to despair *8-) Over all I'm very happy with the service. ATM @Home is experiencing some growing pains but it is still serviceable P.s if your web pages contain a heap of custom CGI, then forget about putting it on the @Home server, as it's cgi support is limited to the scripts that optus install. It seems to be designed with the 'mum dad' users in mind rather than seasoned net heads. -- Rgds, Chris MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows 95/NT - 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Optus@home - the verdict?
George Vieira wrote: I'm not sure that Linux will work as a friend of mine has it for his Win95 machine and you MUST apply a machine name to your PC.. eg.. OP012884L and that's your machine name.. anything else it won't work.. Silly I think... That's because optus use dhcp and not that silly bpalogon thing. All you need is a OS that has a dhcp client and your set. That makes their service O/S independant - technically the client can run anything they want, unlike with big swamp where if bpalogin isn't ported then bad luck *8-/ Optus cable is apparently real damn quick too.. I've seen soemthing like 10 downloads at 12-20KB/s and quaking at the same time I get regular speeds of 600K/s. Of course YMMV *8-) -- Rgds, Chris MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows 95/NT - 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Optus@home - the verdict?
Jeff Waugh wrote: With O@H you dont need the little login script jobbie like you do with BPA, it uses your machine name and MAC address of the ethernet card for authentication. Thats why you need to use their card. Hrm... So does that mean you can tell them the MAC address of your insert fave network card here and they'll use it instead? Nope, I changed NIC's on the 2nd day of being connected. I just ran the dhclient proggy and got an ip address. No Mess, no fuss. Plus, if they have the MAC address, why the host name requirement? I guess it simplifies processing on their end to a degree. Still, why should I have to call my gateway something ridiculous like O234857625 or THX1138 (okay, so THX1138 doesn't count!) No need to change the host name of your gateway. Since you'll be useing a real os you can just tell the dhcp client to use the specified name only. -- Rgds, Chris MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows 95/NT - 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] eating out with SLUG
Anand Kumria wrote: An alternative is Marigold's which a a further 10 metre walk on the same street. I suspect the service may be better but it costs $23 per person. Again drinks are extra. I realise that Marigold's breaks the $20 threshold but I am curious to know if there is any interest in trying them out this month. Please reply to the list. Major prob is the price. I and Jill prob wouldn't go at that price + drinks. Also the Marigold is very big and quite noisy if you don't have a private room ($$). Someone was going to check out a vegetarian place. What happened there - any luck? Mike Michael Lake University of Technology, Sydney Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 02 9514 1724 Fx: 02 9514 1628 URL: http://www.science.uts.edu.au/~mikel Linux enthusiast, active caver and interested in anything technical. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Simple Router Bootdisk
Hi, first things first, I get the digest version of the slug mailing list, and the messages come in the wrong order, and sometimes not at all. Does anyone else have this problem? Is the slug server at fault? OK, the question. I have an unused hard-diskless 486 that is to be used as a firewall for my network. I plan to make a boot-disk to load up a small Linux setup with the networking stuff I need (maybe look at a BootP/DHCP setup later). I compiled a minimal monolithic kernel with the necessary networking stuff, and the resulting zImage is 400Kb. Is this about average for these purposes? I found the Bootdisk-HOWTO and after reading through it, making the disk seems straightforward. However, I wouldn't know where to start with the network configuration. I would very much appreciate it if someone could give me an outline of what files I would need for ip masquarading, ipchains etc. BTW, I looked into the Linux Router Project but I noticed they are using an older kernel (2.0.36). I would prefer if I could have at least a 2.2.x kernel and tools on the disk, as I am relatively new to this. Thanks for your time, Alex Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Optus@home - the verdict?
Matt Allen wrote: I havent piped up about O@H yet, but i have a technical "in". My Fiance works there in the techincal arena. With O@H you dont need the little login script jobbie like you do with BPA, it uses your machine name and MAC address of the ethernet card for authentication. Thats why you need to use their card. Just thought Id clean that up. IMHO That's incorrect. When I first connected to O@H I was using Win98 and the optus supplied NIC, After changing the NIC to a decent card (and installing Linux), dhclient was issued with exactly the same address. Also the tech records the MAC address of the nortel cable modem, so it must go by the modems mac address and not the nic in the pc. -- Rgds, Chris MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows 95/NT - 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] Optus@home - the verdict?
A friend of mine rang up bigpond and got them to change the MAC adderss to the address of the new NIC on their system, the techie there was happy to do that for my friend and everything worked fine after a little tweaking with DHCP etc -Original Message- From: Chris MacKenzie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 06:17 PM To: Matt Allen Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Optus@home - the verdict? Matt Allen wrote: I havent piped up about O@H yet, but i have a technical "in". My Fiance works there in the techincal arena. With O@H you dont need the little login script jobbie like you do with BPA, it uses your machine name and MAC address of the ethernet card for authentication. Thats why you need to use their card. Just thought Id clean that up. IMHO That's incorrect. When I first connected to O@H I was using Win98 and the optus supplied NIC, After changing the NIC to a decent card (and installing Linux), dhclient was issued with exactly the same address. Also the tech records the MAC address of the nortel cable modem, so it must go by the modems mac address and not the nic in the pc. -- Rgds, Chris MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows 95/NT - 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Simple Router Bootdisk
On Mon, 15 May 2000, Alex wrote: OK, the question. I have an unused hard-diskless 486 that is to be used as a firewall for my network. I plan to make a boot-disk to load up a small Linux setup with the networking stuff I need (maybe look at a BootP/DHCP setup later). Have a look at Coyote linux. -- Charlie Brady Aurema Pty Ltd PO Box 305, Strawberry Hills, NSW 2012, Australia Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Tel: +61 2 9698 2322, Fax: +61 2 9699 9174 "I think it would be a good idea." Gandhi, on Western Civilisation. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Way OT: Sony PSX II browser?
Does anyone know what the name of the web browser bundled with the Playstation II might be called? I have some hits in my logs from: raid.fw-sj.sony.com Which sounds suspiciously like a cache/gateway kinda thing which is the sorta infrastructure I'd imagine the PSX II browser will want... --- Rev Simon Rumble Q: Why do the police always travel in threes? [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: One to do the reading, one to do the writing, http://www.rumble.net and the other keeps an eye on the two intellectuals. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] eating out with SLUG
Nice food but they finish earlier. I think we got asked to leave last time when Maddog was over. :-) So the food is friendlier: 8. Friend Rice - Jill. ___ Jill Rowling Senior Design Engineer Unix System Administrator Electronic Engineering Department, Aristocrat Technologies 3rd Floor, 77 Dunning Ave Rosebery NSW 2018 Phone: (02) 9697-4484 Fax:(02) 9663-1412 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Simple Router Bootdisk
OK, the question. I have an unused hard-diskless 486 that is to be used as a firewall for my network. I plan to make a boot-disk to load up a small Linux setup with the networking stuff I need (maybe look at a BootP/DHCP setup later). Save yourself some time and get a Coyote Linux distribution, search freshmeat.net. Answer a few questions and it makes a router floppy for you. It's based on LRP. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Setting up CVS
Hi all Can someone guide me back on to the straight and narrow here? I am trying to setup CVS. I have done the following steps so far: Checked following were in /etc/services cvspserver 2401/tcp# CVS client/server operations cvspserver 2401/udp# CVS client/server operations And in /etc/inetd.conf: #CVS pserver pserver stream tcp nowait root/usr/bin/cvs cvs -b /usr/bin pserver Then I did: cvs -d /home/cvs init Which created a /hom/cvs dir for me. I then restarted /etc/rc.d/inetd/inet However when I try to log into the repository using cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@localhost:/home/cvs I get the following: cvs [login aborted]: connect to localhost:2401 failed: Connection refused Which I figure is one of two things - a password/permissions problem or that the service is not running. So my question is fourfold: 1) How do I create a password file for cvs 2) How do I check if CVS is actually running? 3) I checked the man page but don't see anything on how to create repository - can someone tell me how to do this? 4) Can someone point me to a good resource (in tutorial style preferably) on using CVS? I already tried the CVS website. Thanks in advance, sorry about the longwinded post! Tim Sutton -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: sharing incoming email was: [SLUG] Netscape ??
Just a thought - I don't know how Netscape mail works exactly, but wouldn't it be possible to just use ln and link whereever it stores mail. THat way you could share all your folders rather than just your incoming spool. On Sun, May 14, 2000 at 04:20:47PM +1000, Richard Blackburn wrote: In the old days when my wife and I used another OS, we entered Netscape as individuals with separate 'home pages' and separate address books for Email, but when either of us called in the Email it ended up on both our Email pages. Now using RH6.2 with separate logins, this doesn't happen. I need to find a way to automatically copy what we get from the ISP to both our received mail pages. Any ideas? Thanks -- enterfornone - insert clever comment here http://www.enterfornone.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] Setting up CVS
Sounds like it's a inetd/hosts.allow problem to me... What do you have in your /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny? In your hosts.allow I think you may need ALL:127.0.0.1 ALL:xx.xx.xx.xx # (Local PC IP address) Just to find the problem and if this works then you may want to restrict it to just that service only and not the everything.. thanks, George Vieira Network Administrator Citadel Computer Systems P/L http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au -Original Message- From: Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 16 May 2000 6:31 AM To: Slug Subject: [SLUG] Setting up CVS Hi all Can someone guide me back on to the straight and narrow here? I am trying to setup CVS. I have done the following steps so far: Checked following were in /etc/services cvspserver 2401/tcp# CVS client/server operations cvspserver 2401/udp# CVS client/server operations And in /etc/inetd.conf: #CVS pserver pserver stream tcp nowait root/usr/bin/cvs cvs -b /usr/bin pserver Then I did: cvs -d /home/cvs init Which created a /hom/cvs dir for me. I then restarted /etc/rc.d/inetd/inet However when I try to log into the repository using cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@localhost:/home/cvs I get the following: cvs [login aborted]: connect to localhost:2401 failed: Connection refused Which I figure is one of two things - a password/permissions problem or that the service is not running. So my question is fourfold: 1) How do I create a password file for cvs 2) How do I check if CVS is actually running? 3) I checked the man page but don't see anything on how to create repository - can someone tell me how to do this? 4) Can someone point me to a good resource (in tutorial style preferably) on using CVS? I already tried the CVS website. Thanks in advance, sorry about the longwinded post! Tim Sutton -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] (Joke): New Linux/Unix Virus!!
This joke is doing the rounds. I thought you would all appreciate it, if you haven't seen it already that is... - The Unix (Linux) version of the ILOVEYOU virus works on the honour system. If you receive this mail, you should delete a bunch of GIFs, MP3s and binaries from your home directory, and send a copy of this e-mail to everyone you know. - end ** This document is intended solely for the named addressee. The information contained in the pages is confidential and may contain legally privileged information. The copying or distribution of these pages or any information contained therein by any person other that the addressee is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please delete the email or contact the sender. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. Thank You. ** -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] (Joke): New Linux/Unix Virus!!
I see that this too is mutating, just like the genuine original did. (8-) Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au On Tue, 16 May 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This joke is doing the rounds. I thought you would all appreciate it, if you haven't seen it already that is... - The Unix (Linux) version of the ILOVEYOU virus works on the honour system. If you receive this mail, you should delete a bunch of GIFs, MP3s and binaries from your home directory, and send a copy of this e-mail to everyone you know. - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] [LINK] Microsoft Windows to disappear within two years,Media Release (fwd)
On Mon, 15 May 2000, Scott Howard wrote: On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 04:22:44PM +1000, Charlie Brady wrote: A nice item from Tom Worthington from "link".. I wonder how long ago Tom wrote this... Umm.. from the bit you cut : } Monday, 15 May 2000, Melbourne - Tom Worthington, Visiting Fellow at the } Australian National University and IT author, says Microsoft Windows is So I'd guess roughly.. well.. today! No, that's not when he wrote it, that's when he rehashed it at a talk-fest. Seems to me the Wall St love affair he is predicting has come and gone. Charlie Brady Aurema Pty Ltd PO Box 305, Strawberry Hills, NSW 2012, Australia Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Tel: +61 2 9698 2322, Fax: +61 2 9699 9174 "I think it would be a good idea." Gandhi, on Western Civilisation. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Using -remote in Netscape
I am using Pine for my email now, moving off Netscape Communicator. Things are going really well. One of the few remaining problems I have is invoking links to come up in netscape. I have my helper app set as /usr/bin/netscape -remote 'openURL(_URL_)' which works fine. Problem is that if the URL has a comma in it, like http://www.pcworld.com/pcwtoday/article/0,1510,16704,00.html it raises an error because the openURL has an optional second argument which is sperated by a comma. Netscapet gets confused because of the commas in the URL. I have tried a number of ways to escape it but can't. Anyone else had this problem or know how to escape the URL? Roods -- If the box says "Windows 95 or better", it should run on Linux, right? - anon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] (Joke): New Linux/Unix Virus!!
Yes, but due to the complexity of the Unix version of the virus, it took longer for people to mutate it. Unlike the speed with which the original virus mutated within the windows world. :-) Cheers, Kieran On Tue, 16 May 2000, Howard Lowndes wrote: I see that this too is mutating, just like the genuine original did. (8-) Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au On Tue, 16 May 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This joke is doing the rounds. I thought you would all appreciate it, if you haven't seen it already that is... - The Unix (Linux) version of the ILOVEYOU virus works on the honour system. If you receive this mail, you should delete a bunch of GIFs, MP3s and binaries from your home directory, and send a copy of this e-mail to everyone you know. - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Re: Color maps
On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 08:11:59AM +1000, Michael Lake wrote: [...] | Now some applications like Netscape hog all the colours and can be | installed with a private colour map (netscape --install-private). You can tune that, btw. I run with "-ncols 144" if not on a TrueColor display. | This | app does not have that option | but can I write a wrapper program which does hog all the colours? Probably not in a way which will leave them available to your candidate program, unless you propose releasing just before eg: hogger hog=$! while read cmdline do kill $hog; sleep 1 # release sh -c "$cmdline" # run your command hogger # grab the colours again hog=$! done and hang that off a named pipe. Then you just echo command lines to the named pipe. Ugly, but might do it. | Gnome apps display 256 colours fine. Probably makes a moderate 2x2x2 cubic colourmap or something and uses that. -- Cameron Simpson, DoD#743[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/ The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We cause accidents. - Nathaniel Borenstein -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Using -remote in Netscape
Try putting the url in ""'s On Tue, 16 May 2000, Rodos wrote: I am using Pine for my email now, moving off Netscape Communicator. Things are going really well. One of the few remaining problems I have is invoking links to come up in netscape. I have my helper app set as /usr/bin/netscape -remote 'openURL(_URL_)' which works fine. Problem is that if the URL has a comma in it, like http://www.pcworld.com/pcwtoday/article/0,1510,16704,00.html it raises an error because the openURL has an optional second argument which is sperated by a comma. Netscapet gets confused because of the commas in the URL. I have tried a number of ways to escape it but can't. Anyone else had this problem or know how to escape the URL? Roods -- If the box says "Windows 95 or better", it should run on Linux, right? - anon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] wheely mouse in netscape
On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 11:47:13AM +1000, Doug Balmer wrote: hi all, ive had my wheely mouse working in netscape for a while now but every so often it just starts not working. is there some way around this? Same problem here - it works fine once I quit and restart netscape so it is an application problem. Yet another reason closed source apps suck. Mozilla works fine all the time with my wheel mouse and as soon as it starts working with authenticated realms I'll be able to use it instead. Anand -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] [LINK] Microsoft Windows to disappear within two years,Media Release (fwd)
On Mon, 15 May 2000, Rick Welykochy wrote: Windows' lack of open standards support, severe security problems, instability, and mounting real cost of ownership will invite Linux into the enterprise with open arms :-) Unfortunately this is *not* the message corporate IT is getting, nor is it the message those groups are giving their managers. Most organisations I have personally seen consider the M$ platform best of breed. Corporate information sources, ie marketing conferences, magazines and contractors continue to push M$ as the preferred solution. I've had people tell me that NT must be the way to go, simply because all the information they have indicates everyone else is running it! It's a self fulfilling prophecy. For these organisations the question is not whether to run Linux or NT, but when to migrate to Win2k. Operating system popularity is not about capabilities. It's about marketing and mind share. Nothing in this industry is based on reality, but on hype and hyperbole. Until the open source products obtain mind share then they will be relegated to second place. Windows failures and holes are mostly irrelevant to those who decide OS direction. They are more interested in application support. (gee our consultants tell us we need to run Cold Fusion, what do we need? Oh it runs on NT and Solaris. Well I don't know what Solaris is but the consultant and my MIS magazine both say NT is great so I'll use that.) It even happens here and our systems are FreeBSD, Solaris and AIX based. Carl. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] [LINK] Microsoft Windows to disappear within two years, Media Release (fwd)
Windows' lack of open standards support, severe security problems, instabil ity, and mounting real cost of ownership will invite Linux into the enterprise with open arms :-) Unfortunately this is *not* the message corporate IT is getting, nor is it the message those groups are giving their managers. Most organisations I have personally seen consider the M$ platform best of breed. Corporate information sources, ie marketing conferences, magazines and contractors continue to push M$ as the preferred solution. This sounds like some public, unbiased benchmarkng of TCO is needed. The bottom line is the place to aim for. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] wheely mouse in netscape
I get this too, but I have to reload my .Xdefaults for netscape to continue handling wheel events (after obligatory restart). Sometimes completely restart the Xserver... :( Mozilla might handle wheel events all the time, but I wouldn't say it works all the time. Can't wait for something just a wee bit stabler! :) Wrote Anand: On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 11:47:13AM +1000, Doug Balmer wrote: hi all, ive had my wheely mouse working in netscape for a while now but every so often it just starts not working. is there some way around this? Same problem here - it works fine once I quit and restart netscape so it is an application problem. Yet another reason closed source apps suck. Mozilla works fine all the time with my wheel mouse and as soon as it starts working with authenticated realms I'll be able to use it instead. Anand -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] [LINK] Microsoft Windows to disappear within two years,Media Release (fwd)
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Ken Yap wrote: This sounds like some public, unbiased benchmarkng of TCO is needed. The bottom line is the place to aim for. I recall a Gartner Group report on the "Real Cost of the Desktop", published back in 1995 (?) It showed quite clearly that a PC with its Win 3.1 software cost more than a similarly configured Macintosh when all things were considered for a period of one year. And yet popular opinion at the time would have you believe that Windows was the cheaper platform to run. Perhaps Gartners has done more research into this. -rickw -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] morning.. *help*
Wrote Michael: May 16 08:53:26 onyx qmail: 958431206.442526 delivery 1: failure: Sorry,_no_mailbox_here_by_that_name._(#5.1.1)/ I'm not currently at my working qmail setup, but this sounds familiar. It sounds like qmail is getting a message to send either to a user-blah@... mailbox, and that user hasn't set up this function properly, or one of the aliases for the local deamons isn't recognized. Maybe I'm right off the ball here... Check the message contents to see where it wants to go. If it's a system message (sorry about the terminology, I've been playing with windows for a few days) mke sure the aliases (/var/qmail/alias/.) has an entry for it. Otherwise, it's at the user end of things. Or maybe there just isn't a user? I forget. Sorry to sound so vague, but I hope this leads you the right way up the proverbial path... --Adrian -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: FIXED [SLUG] Using -remote in Netscape
Well using " (quotes) around it does not work, I had already tried that. gnome-moz-remote also has the problems with the commas as it passes it to netscape to handle in the same way. But the %2c looked like a promising idea so I wrote a perl wrapper and it works fine. #!/usr/bin/perl ($_ = $ARGV[0]) =~ s/,/%2c/g; `/usr/bin/netscape -remote 'openURL($_)'`; Now I just do "/usr/local/bin/netscape-remote _URL_" in Pine. See, nearly everything can be fixed with a little perl! Rodos On Tue, 16 May 2000, chesty wrote: I have my helper app set as /usr/bin/netscape -remote 'openURL(_URL_)' which works fine. Problem is that if the URL has a comma in it, like http://www.pcworld.com/pcwtoday/article/0,1510,16704,00.html it raises an error because the openURL has an optional second argument which is sperated by a comma. Netscapet gets confused because of the commas in the URL. I have tried a number of ways to escape it but can't. I know what to escape the commas with, %2c , but I don't know how you would rewrite the url within pine. There are a few netscape wrappers that escape the url for you, if you have gnome, try replacing the /usr/bin/netscape... with gnome-moz-remote --newwin "_URL_" Or you could probably write a quick netscape wrapper in perl to escape the commas. -- If the box says "Windows 95 or better", it should run on Linux, right? - anon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] VFS: Disk change detected on device ide0(3,64)
Anybody have an idea what this is and why it's appearing 10 times per second in my logs... They start appearing out of no where.. until I reboot or something thanks, George Vieira Network Administrator Citadel Computer Systems P/L http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] VFS: Disk change detected on device ide0(3,64)
Anybody have an idea what this is and why it's appearing 10 times per second in my logs... They start appearing out of no where.. until I reboot or something Block device 3,64 is /dev/hdb. Do you have a CDROM on /dev/hdb and is the cable loose perhaps? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] APL
The wonderful Linux Sys Admin O'Reilly book mentions amongst many many ohter things that APL is available on Linux (!) APL stands for A Programming Langugae and was made popular as both a teaching and commercial language by IBM and Sharp way back in the 70's. It is a very concise and powerful multi-dimensional matrix (tensor) processing language, and great for whipping up GLP (grungy little programs). If you though perl was good for GLP, APL is great :) Anyone know of APL on Linux? Cheers Rick W -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] VFS: Disk change detected on device ide0(3,64)
Good point, it is a CDROM and I think the problem is the driver somehow detects a DISK CHANGE on the cdrom though there is none and probably tries to mount it or something.. I thin there is an automounter within linux which if stopped may stop these messages too.. I think moving to Suse for a problem like this is a little too much.. I'm a big fan of redHat though I don't really know why?? thanks, George Vieira Network Administrator Citadel Computer Systems P/L http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au -Original Message- From: Ken Yap [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 16 May 2000 1:36 PM To: George Vieira Cc: Sydney Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [SLUG] VFS: Disk change detected on device ide0(3,64) Anybody have an idea what this is and why it's appearing 10 times per second in my logs... They start appearing out of no where.. until I reboot or something Block device 3,64 is /dev/hdb. Do you have a CDROM on /dev/hdb and is the cable loose perhaps? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] MYOB under Wine
Hello Folks
I'm after some feedback on running MYOB on wine under Linux.
Does it work?
It is reliable?
The scenario is that I have three businesses that are heeding their
accountants' advice to buy a computer and MYOB to cater for GST.
Personally I think another accountant would be cheaper, but they still
want to follow their accountants' advice and it means three sales of
new computers.
So, it is an ideal opportunity to put out Linux (all three are
computer newbies), rather than that other OS.
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Re: [SLUG] APL
On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 01:36:10PM +1000, Rick Welykochy wrote: Anyone know of APL on Linux? seems to be on metalab: http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/metalab/devel/lang/apl/!INDEX.html and it looks like openapl was released just a couple of weeks ago. Conrad. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] APL
On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 01:36:10PM +1000, Rick Welykochy wrote: Anyone know of APL on Linux? A google search for "apl linux" turned up this: http://www.tor.soliton.com/Linux/ "15 October 1999: Soliton Associates announces the October 18th, 1999 beta release of SHARP APL for Linux (version 5.1). Production release of SHARP APL for Linux is planned for the first quarter of 2000 (version 6.0). Licenses for personal use of SHARP APL for Linux for both the beta and production releases are royalty-free. Commercial license rates are available by contacting Soliton." There are others listed in the APL FAQ: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/apl-faq/ Cheers, John -- whois [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Status of Linux and NAT
Folks.
Does Linux do true NAT yet?
In other words - can you take a Linux box, stick two LAN cards in it, and
have it convert one destination address to another?
What I'm after is something like this.
Network
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|--Linux Box
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|---Translated
I want to tell a machine on NETWORK to telnet or ping or SNMP get an
address of
11.254.1.1
and have it come out the other side of the Linux box as
10.254.1.1
In other words, translate the network component of the destination address
only to a different one - leave the node part alone.
The reason for this is complex - but basically, I want to monitor a number
of disparate networks all using the 10.x.x.x network internally. I want to
monitor this from ONE network management workstation - and I've sold 'em
on using Linux to do the translation without knowing exactly if it's
capable of it {bashful grin}.
Thanks.
DaZZa
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[SLUG] Weird login Problem
Hey Sluggers, I have somehow developed this problem where I can't login to one of my Redhat 6.0 boxes. We can telnet to the box or at the console, when you login as a normal user OR as root(console only) it immediately boots you back to the login prompt. It does validate the password, cos if you login and stuff it up or get the password wrong then it says login incorrect. I have rebooted into single-user mode and the bash shell comes up no problem. I have checked /etc/securettys and that seems normal and /etc/passwd and that specifies valid shells (/bin/bash) which works cos single user works. Other than that i don't know what the hell is wrong. Seems that it won't give me a console or shell or something. I don't get it... Any pointers? Thanks Dave __ solutionsFirst.net Consulting http://solutionsfirst.net Ph: (02) 9555 4847 Fax: (02) 9818 7711 Mob: 0413 022 143 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Status of Linux and NAT
On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 02:22:57PM +1000, DaZZa wrote: Folks. Does Linux do true NAT yet? To my knowledge 2.4.0 will do NAT and 2.3.x does do NAT via netfilter (the replacement for ipchains). -- CaT ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) URL: http://www.zip.com.au/dev/null 'He had position, but I was determined to score.' -- Worf, DS9, Season 5: 'Let He Who Is Without Sin...' -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] Weird login Problem
What does it say in the /var/log/messages file after a failed login? Is there anything in the /var/log/secure file? Has anything been changed in the /etc/inetd.conf file? Does the user has anything in the ~user/.profile or ~user.bash_profile which may be kicking them off.. Have you tried creating a new user and if this does the same thing? thanks, George Vieira Network Administrator Citadel Computer Systems P/L http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au -Original Message- From: David Kempe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 16 May 2000 2:41 PM To: Slug Subject: [SLUG] Weird login Problem Hey Sluggers, I have somehow developed this problem where I can't login to one of my Redhat 6.0 boxes. We can telnet to the box or at the console, when you login as a normal user OR as root(console only) it immediately boots you back to the login prompt. It does validate the password, cos if you login and stuff it up or get the password wrong then it says login incorrect. I have rebooted into single-user mode and the bash shell comes up no problem. I have checked /etc/securettys and that seems normal and /etc/passwd and that specifies valid shells (/bin/bash) which works cos single user works. Other than that i don't know what the hell is wrong. Seems that it won't give me a console or shell or something. I don't get it... Any pointers? Thanks Dave __ solutionsFirst.net Consulting http://solutionsfirst.net Ph: (02) 9555 4847 Fax: (02) 9818 7711 Mob: 0413 022 143 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Linux To Replace Windows
Thanks to Tom Worthington's comments ... http://www.linuxworld.com.au/news.php3?tid=1nid=34 Hmmm ... maybe this will be republished on cnn.com next ;-) -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] newsgroups firewall port
hi slugs, what is the port(s) that the newsgroups come in on - go out on that would have to be opened on a firewall? -- _|_ | Thanks, iCafe PTY Limited Ben DonohueWeb Hosting Design [EMAIL PROTECTED]Small Business Office Networks Ph. 0011 61 2 9705 7520 http://www.icafe.com.au Mobile: 0417 018 600ACN 080 665 907 Freedom isn't doing what you want... Freedom is knowing what to do -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] coyote linux
hi slugs, just having a go with coyote linux on a floppy. have been trying to find some in depth docs at coyote web site or the lrp site - havent found what i need yet. just two questions for now... is ipchains working on the distribution? if so what's it doing, how to change, etc. what module do you put in if the internet connection is a modem? ie what is the module.o name for /dev/cua0? -- _|_ | Thanks, iCafe PTY Limited Ben DonohueWeb Hosting Design [EMAIL PROTECTED]Small Business Office Networks Ph. 0011 61 2 9705 7520 http://www.icafe.com.au Mobile: 0417 018 600ACN 080 665 907 Freedom isn't doing what you want... Freedom is knowing what to do -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] eating out with SLUG
Gee that looks excellent Anand, go for it :) Regards, Matt From: Anand Kumria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] eating out with SLUG Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:43:46 +1000 Currently SLUG goes to the House of Ghoung Zhou (spelling?) at the end of the each of meeting. The price is $18 for their `banquet', drinks you pay for yourself. The food isn't actually too bad, but the service is fairly hopeless. An alternative is Marigold's which a a further 10 metre walk on the same street. I suspect the service may be better but it costs $23 per person. Here is the menu: Entree: 1. Mixed Entree 2. Chicken Sweet Corn Soup Main Courses: 3. King Prawn with Begetables 4. Crispy Skin Chicken 5. Satay Beef 6. deep Fried Spicy Spare Ribs 7. Mongolian Lamb 8. Friend Rice Desert: 9. Ice Cream 10. Coffee Again drinks are extra. I realise that Marigold's breaks the $20 threshold but I am curious to know if there is any interest in trying them out this month. Please reply to the list. Thanks, Anand -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, "This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know," the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, "If this goes on --" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] [LINK] Microsoft Windows to disappear within two years,Media Release (fwd)
On Mon, 15 May 2000, Rachel Polanskis wrote: A nice item from Tom Worthington from "link".. I wonder how long ago Tom wrote this... Worthington said: "We are about to see the Linux hype reach the financial and business community. And how carefully he proof-read this: with Microsoft Windows and IBM OS/2. Since then OS/2 has disappeared. If the easy to install Linuxes come out this year and actually work, then Microsoft Windows is likely disappear within two years. -- Charlie Brady Aurema Pty Ltd PO Box 305, Strawberry Hills, NSW 2012, Australia Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Tel: +61 2 9698 2322, Fax: +61 2 9699 9174 "I think it would be a good idea." Gandhi, on Western Civilisation. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] eating out with SLUG
A half-serious suggestion: Have pizzas delivered to the meeting and sell them by the slice. Would give bored audience something to do. Odours might distract speakers though. :-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
