Re: [SLUG] (OT) ISDN connections
On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Rodos wrote:
IMHO go with a router, even though this might get me some flames. I have a
Cisco 761, there are much better ones now. Try and get something with IOS.
All Cisco products run Cisco IOS - Cisco Internetworking Operating System
- even switches.
I am sure others will disagree and a Linux system will do the job but I
have found a router + Linux box a better solution. Your milage may vary.
I'm actually a bit ambivalent - I can get a router for about $600 {not a
Cisco} - and I believe ISDN cards run to around $450 or so - but with the
router I could have such things working in 10 minutes - with the ISDN card
it might take me a week or more, depending on the drivers.
I guess it comes down to who is paying for it, and how deep their pockets
are. :-)
DaZZa
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Re: [SLUG] (OT) ISDN connections
On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 03:47:08PM +1000, DaZZa uttered: All Cisco products run Cisco IOS - Cisco Internetworking Operating System - even switches. Actually, no. Some of their more recent aquisitions are putting out products that don't run IOS. -- Rev Simon Rumble Opinions expressed in this email may [EMAIL PROTECTED] not reflect those of the host brain. http://www.rumble.net -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] (OT) ISDN connections
On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Rev Simon Rumble wrote: All Cisco products run Cisco IOS - Cisco Internetworking Operating System - even switches. Actually, no. Some of their more recent aquisitions are putting out products that don't run IOS. Such as? DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] (OT) ISDN connections
On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, David wrote: I'm thinking about organising myself an ISDN connection. Does anyone have any thoughts regarding Telstra v. Connect v. anyoneelse? Is there a difference in performance? I'm told EISA are pretty reasonable, and at roughly half the price of Telstra. Magna/DAVNet are also a new player with reasonable links - I have no idea about their pricing, though. You might be close enough to the city for DAVNet's HSDL connections - I'm not sure where they spoke out to, but their head office isn't too far from your place. DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Analysing maillog
Tks, done it, got it, cobbled it, like it. Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Anand Kumria wrote: On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 03:16:04PM +1000, Howard Lowndes wrote: I want to analyse a /var/log/maillog file on a daily basis to see who is sending emails to whom, what size they are, and when they are being sent. It looks like the easiest cross reference would be thru the ?AA? code for the email. Necessaity is the mother of invention. But it doesn't mean you should invent it when good alternatives already exist. Take a look at Anteater URL: http://www.profzone.ch/anteater/, licence is GNU GPL. Cheers, Anand -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] (OT) ISDN connections
On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, DaZZa wrote: Actually, no. Some of their more recent aquisitions are putting out products that don't run IOS. Such as? This is probably getting a little off topic, but anyway. See my other post and you can then check out the whole range at http://cisco.com/warp/public/44/jump/routers.shtml A friend of mine just got a job at Cisco Aus as a network engineer. The grin goes from one ear to the other and he seems to be walking a foot of the ground. I think he is enjoying the nice toys to play with. Rodos -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | A complex system that works is invariably found to Camion Technology | have evolved from a simple system that worked. [John +61 2 9873 5105 | Gall] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] (OT) ISDN connections
I'm told EISA are pretty reasonable, and at roughly half the price of no eisa are really hopeless... we have packet loss of about %30 regularly and we dont get anything like the bandwidth we pay for doug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Home Network
Quoting Terry Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no interest in paying someone to do something I can do myself. Don't ask them on my account. I can not remember anyone discussing paying for installation, but asking for tips on DIY. NO no no - you misunderstand - I wasn't asking about INSTALLATION, but COMPONENTS - i.e. mounting plates, cable, connectors, etc. I thought that SLUG members might benefit from any discounts offered if these were cheaper (and better quality) than Jaycar or DSE. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Security: Linux 2.2.16 (fwd)
Below is a message which went to the linux kernel list and I've not seen much else reported on the issue (apart from a sendmail alert for earlier kernel vesions). See 'Recommendations' below. - James -- James Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:46:33 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Linux 2.2.16 Linux 2.2.16 security release The following security problems are fixed by this release o Setuid applications. even when correctly checking for failures of setuid() calls could fail to drop priviledges if the invoker had made certain adjustments to the capability sets o Opening a socket and issuing multiple connects on it could be used to hang the box o Readv/writev might misbehave on some very large inputs o Potentially remote exploitable hole in the sunrpc code o User causable oopses in Appletalk and Socket code o Obscure exploitable bugs in the Sparc kernel The full list of enhancements and other bug fixes will follow later. Recommendations: You should consider updating your 2.2 kernel to 2.2.16 if o You have untrusted users on your system o You have publically accessible kernel sunrpc services Other major bug fixes include o The tcp retransmit crash on very high load o Poor VM performance under some load patterns o Fix for 3com 3c590 8K card stalls Alan - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Fun Time!
On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Please note - this is an INTERNAL system. Any attacks/probes or remotely suspitious activity against my servers from the Internet will be dealt with - harshly. Gee - you know how to ruin a guy's fun Jason...:-) I thought I should include it - you never know... Cheers Jason. --- Jason Ball Electronic Commerce Specialist Corporate Express Australia Ltd Phone: +61 2 9335 0374 Fax: +61 2 9335 0753 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] RADIUS SERVER FOR A DIAL-IN
if you don't want to go as far as configuring radius etc., you could set this up fairly easily using the existing shell access and a program like slirp (a SLIP emulator which was fairly popular once upon a time) = Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Thank you all for replying. The situation is, I have a BPC account coming in to my place and occasionally I go to a friends place or while I am working that doesn't have net access. What I want to do rather than signing up for another internet account with BigPond or somebody else (Can't afford to pay any more for net access), is to dial-in to my own server and access the internet via that. I have with a bit of help been able to dial-in to my server, but only getting shell access. Would I be better to swap to RADIUS and PORTSLAVE or try to get PPP access on the now existing dial-in service. Please remember that I am still an infant with regards to Linux(Redhat v6.2), so please be patient and give details on how to make changes. Explanation as to why things are done a particular way would also be good. Thanks Adrian - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: +61 4 0720 8910 Facsimile: +61 4 0720 5410 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anthony Wood Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2000 10:40 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Adrian Subject: Re: [SLUG] RADIUS SERVER FOR A DIAL-IN using "radius_2.0.1_Linux_2.0.tar.Z" If you do want RADIUS (because you can, or because you want to learn about it) you probably want portslave too. This makes your linux box act as a modem dial-in box. This will contact your RADIUS server for credentials. The RADIUS server I recommend is cistron radiusd (linked from http://www.freeradius.org/). Freeradius is an alpha release update on cistron. If you really want livingston radius, you will have to do: uncompress radius_2.0.1_Linux_2.0.tar.Z tar xvf radius_2.0.1_Linux_2.0.tar cd radius_2.01._Linux_2.0 ls then you should read any files called readme, install, the whole doc directory. if you want to find out about the commands you're typing: type man command e.g. man uncompress which will give you heaps of information about what the commands do. Of course if you just want to dial into your box, then mgetty is what you want though. Woody Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 13:01:56 +1000 From: Alexander Else [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] RADIUS SERVER FOR A DIAL-IN using "radius_2.0.1_Linux_2.0.tar.Z" At 07:04 AM 6/7/00 +1000, Adrian wrote: I need to know how to extract and install "radius_2.0.1_Linux_2.0.tar.Z". I got this file from http://www.livingston.com/ and the link to the file is ftp://ftp.livingston.com/pub/le/software/linux/radius_2.0.1_Linux _2.0.tar.Z Can anyone help me? I want to be able to dial-in to my server/firewall on Bigpond Cable from around Sydney. You don't want radius. If i understand this correctly you have BPC connecting you to the net and you have a standard phone line with modem also hooked up to the computer. Radius can be used to authenticate users dialing into different access routers from a single authentication source within the network. It's something you might use if you were providing dialup network services (eg. an ISP) to others. what you probably want to do is maybe set up mgetty to allow remote access to your machine through the modem, and perhaps set up the ppp options to assign an ip from one of the private address ranges (like 192.168.*.*) so that you can establish a point to point session. there are various ways of getting the end result you are after, i suggest reading up on the howtos. - -- Alexander Else http://cyberchrist.org - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Free Software and Universities
After having just spent 14 years in the university system, I can tell you with great sadness that you will probably be dissapointed. I have been involved in the sciences for a very lonmg time, and open source development is an extension of scientific principles, but the science being done in uni's now is getting more and more guarded. I hope I am wrong because I think it's a great idea, but I know the current political and ceonomic climate at the moment. On Thu, 08 Jun 2000, Chuck Dale wrote: Night all, INTRO I've been thinking a lot about the possibilities for development of free software in a funded, not for profit environment. Not just donated time, but people being paid to write software. But not software that sells, software that helps people to use computers and therefore live better. PROPOSITION/QUESTION I see that there are three avenues for development of free software at univesities. I'm interested to hear of people doing any of the following or if there is free software development other than fits into these categories. 1) Computer Science undergraduate, honours and postgrad projects. 2) Research projects. Such as Jeff Kingston at Sydney Uni working on lout stuff. 3) Government/Business grants to get software written. Does this happen at all? Some thoughts? Chuck -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- Erich Schulz Instrumental Technologies PO Box 9170 Wyee, NSW 2259 Ph: (+612) 43593411, Fax: (+612) 43593696 Mob: 0408 201 288 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Free ISPs
Does anyone know any good Free ISPs in Australia ? I need both one that support Linux AND Windows and one that supports Windows only. I am simply thinking of creating a dial up account for myself with a phone line nobody ever uses and i'd love to use Windows but in a few weeks, Linux ! :) I know FreeOnline does Windows but is it Linux compatible ? Thanks ! Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] Free ISPs
I'll have to dig out my docs but I think freeonline uses standard DUN stuff - should work on Linux but it's web access only (and only to certain sites most of the time). GoConnect gives you full Internet access but uses a Windows only (and not 2000 compatible it seems) dialer. Haven't tried it under Wine mind you. = Original Message From "Matt" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Does anyone know any good Free ISPs in Australia ? I need both one that support Linux AND Windows and one that supports Windows only. I am simply thinking of creating a dial up account for myself with a phone line nobody ever uses and i'd love to use Windows but in a few weeks, Linux ! :) I know FreeOnline does Windows but is it Linux compatible ? Thanks ! Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] Fun Time!
Don't forget to check for the usual logins which don't have passwords, like guest. This will have to be checked across all Windows PCs on the intranet, as it is possible that any mapped "drives" on the machine which permits guest access will then be accessible to the guest provided the mapped "drive" has "everybody" access permitted. ___ Jill Rowling Senior Design Engineer Unix System Administrator Electronic Engineering Department, Aristocrat Technologies 3rd Floor, 77 Dunning Ave Rosebery NSW 2018 Phone: (02) 9697-4484 Fax:(02) 9663-1412 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] Free ISPs
On Thu, 08 Jun 2000, enterfornone wrote: GoConnect gives you full Internet access but uses a Windows only (and not 2000 compatible it seems) dialer. Haven't tried it under Wine mind you. I'll be interested to try it under win4lin (eagerly awaiting the order to be processed :-) - unless someone has already done this... anyone? -- Cheers, Jim -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] XV replacements
Hello Folks
I'm looking for an XV replacement.
Specific problem is that XV works great in landscape mode 1024x768,
but will not convert to portrait mode 768x1024. It clips the vertical
size to 768.
Can anyone nominate a replacement package process.
Basically I'm getting 24bit colour images (scanned photographs) and
converting them to a series of sizes (320x200, 600x480, 800x600
1024x768) in 8 and 24 bit colour. Occassionally, a photograph is in
vertical format and processing through XV losses the aspect through
vertical size limitation.
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[SLUG] Lyrix
Hi, Has anyone seen a filter to convert SCO lyrix files (a rudimentary word processor, apparently) to ascii? Cheers, Jim Donovan -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] Free ISPs
It will work under win4lin because it supports serial ports so you can install the modem + dialup networking + the original winsock.dll and wsock32.dll from windows and you will be only be able to use windows for the created networking and loose the winsock connectivity thru linux (unless you go and replace those files) On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Jim Clark wrote: On Thu, 08 Jun 2000, enterfornone wrote: GoConnect gives you full Internet access but uses a Windows only (and not 2000 compatible it seems) dialer. Haven't tried it under Wine mind you. I'll be interested to try it under win4lin (eagerly awaiting the order to be processed :-) - unless someone has already done this... anyone? -- Cheers, Jim -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] XV replacements
Gimp - probably overkill for this.
ImageMagick would probably be the best if you don't need a GUI.
Also check out Photoaddict, which probably doesn't do what you need (only
handled 1600x1200 images last time i checked) but it's a start...
http://photoaddict.sourceforge.net/
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Hello Folks
I'm looking for an XV replacement.
Specific problem is that XV works great in landscape mode 1024x768,
but will not convert to portrait mode 768x1024. It clips the vertical
size to 768.
Can anyone nominate a replacement package process.
Basically I'm getting 24bit colour images (scanned photographs) and
converting them to a series of sizes (320x200, 600x480, 800x600
1024x768) in 8 and 24 bit colour. Occassionally, a photograph is in
vertical format and processing through XV losses the aspect through
vertical size limitation.
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[SLUG] Netscape 4.73
I just recently installed the 128 bit Netscaper 4.73 on my Linux system. When I try to connect to a secure site, I get a message as follows: "The security library has experienced an error. You will probably be unable to connect to this site securely." Any idea what I do now? Thanks, Dennis -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] RADIUS SERVER FOR A DIAL-IN
On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Adrian wrote: I have with a bit of help been able to dial-in to my server, but only getting shell access. Great, you are most of the way there. Would I be better to swap to RADIUS and PORTSLAVE or try to get PPP access on the now existing dial-in service. Forget radius and all that junk, you just need PPP. Please remember that I am still an infant with regards to Linux(Redhat v6.2), so please be patient and give details on how to make changes. Explanation as to why things are done a particular way would also be good. First go and read the "Setting up a PPP server" part of the Linux PPP-HOWTO at http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/LDP/HOWTO/PPP-HOWTO-26.html You basically setup your PPP options files as described. Here are mine /etc/ppp/options -detach etc/ppp/options.ttyS0 203.26.8.22:203.26.8.25 debug proxyarp I then set the shell in /etc/passwd to /usr/sbin/pppd so that once they authenticate (login: password:) PPP starts automatically and you can start PPP on the client end. If you don't have any routable static address you might have to setup masquerading and hand out one of your masqueraded addresses. Read the HOWTO and then ask here for any further help. Rodos -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Learn more about Linux, visit a local users group and Camion Technology | become part of a community. [http://www.slug.org.au/] +61 2 9873 5105 | -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] Internet Banking
what do they use for internet banking (standalone app, activex, plugins) as long as they use standard html and perhaps java they should be right under linux = Original Message From Richard Blackburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Sluggers, I'm going to send a letter to the head of consumer affairs at the NAB complaining that I have to use Windows to do Internet Banking. Since I know it will get passed down to their IT department, I want to able to sound technically savvy enough in 25 words or less to tell them what they have to do to make their program work for all OSs. So what do I say? I'll cc the SLUG exec. when I send it off. Richard Blackburn -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] Lyrix
Strings, maybe? :) I haven't seen a reference to Lyrix for years! Not that I ever bothered to use it, even when I was working for a company that sold SCO. At worst, you may have to strip it to 7 bit ascii if "strings" doesn't return anything sensible. Cheers, Jill. ___ Jill Rowling Senior Design Engineer Unix System Administrator Electronic Engineering Department, Aristocrat Technologies 3rd Floor, 77 Dunning Ave Rosebery NSW 2018 Phone: (02) 9697-4484 Fax:(02) 9663-1412 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Internet Banking
On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Richard Blackburn wrote: I'm going to send a letter to the head of consumer affairs at the NAB complaining that I have to use Windows to do Internet Banking. Since I know it will get passed down to their IT department, I want to able to sound technically savvy enough in 25 words or less to tell them what they have to do to make their program work for all OSs. So what do I say? Use a Java applet. That's how St George do it, and I do my banking from my Linux box just fine. DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] Internet Banking
On Thu, 08 Jun 2000, enterfornone wrote: what do they use for internet banking (standalone app, activex, plugins) as long as they use standard html and perhaps java they should be right under linux = Original Message From Richard Blackburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Sluggers, I'm going to send a letter to the head of consumer affairs at the NAB complaining that I have to use Windows to do Internet Banking. Since I know it will get passed down to their IT department, I want to able to sound technically savvy enough in 25 words or less to tell them what they have to do to make their program work for all OSs. So what do I say? I'll cc the SLUG exec. when I send it off. Richard Blackburn and it may not hurt to point out that most of their competition allow linux (or any os) to be used (I was just about to switch banks because of this problem, when CBA _finally_ got their act together and provided a web interface - java based). -- Cheers, Jim -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux pre-installed a good idea
I couldn't agree more. When I went from the old dos days to using a mac, the process was not intuitive at all. If I wanted the computer to do something, then I had to find out how to do that, it did't appear to me in a blinding flash of intuition. The main thing about visual codes is that they are easier for most people to relate to, because we live and have evolved to use our visual processing skills. The majority of the population do not have great abstract visulisation skills. When I was teaching at UTS, I asked a range of students to draw the geometry of a problem that was given in prose, and none of them could visualise it let alone solve it. Now this is meant to be the crem de la crem of our thinking school population. The main point is that the abstract thoughts required to manipulate a computer need to be learned, visual cues help because of the way we think. Most of the people who talk about intuition inn computing, are generally talking from and experienced point of view, and don't realise it. On Thu, 08 Jun 2000, you wrote: Jeff: Why do we want Linux preinstalled again? That's right... Newbies. I don't really see preinstallation as a necessity for user-friendly computer purchases... Think about it this way: I see it quite differently. From time to time people tell me that using Linux for naive users is a real barrier. I actually agree, but I go on with the opinion that most computer use is difficult for naive users, certainly for computers used as 'desktops'. Most computer users have completely forgotten the amount of training they went through in order to use a computer. For example, I have had to coach people on how to physically use a mouse. I mean, how much pressure to use holding it, clicking the button doesn't mean holding it down for five seconds. For more ubiquitous `direct interface' use of computers I see two directions, probably both happening at the same time: * devices becoming simpler, more stable, cheaper, taking less space, more mobile. This is what web tv tries to be, and is where the web pad type of device wants to head. * people becoming more trained. This is somewhat analogous to learning to drive a car. A lot of pain and effort for a lot of people, but great rewards when the technique is mastered. There is a nice book review in the current Linux Journal, http://www2.linuxjournal.com/lj-issues/issue74/3959.html with this quote from James Paul Holloway (apologies for it's length but it is what I've always thought): "But mainstream GUIs are not based on analogies (let alone metaphors); they are based on visual codes. I work with several hundred new and experienced computers users every year and I see no evidence that any of them consider the things on their computer screens as analogies for anything. They must be taught the visual code of the GUI, and until they have learned it, those little symbols on the screen do not suggest any function. Once they learn the code, the icons acquire meaning. These interfaces are simply learned, and the significant revolution in their design was not by analogy, but through the standardization of the visual code." Just so! The GUI desktop is NOT intuitive it is learnt! The key to productive use of computers is training, whether formal or self-motivated. For training to be effective and satisfying, understanding the underlying principles is important. One reason that Linux / Unix is so satisfying is that there is largely a set of underlying principles. At a certain point, you are sharing the mind of the creator. From that point there is no going back. (Corrollary: how does it feel sharing Bill Gates' mind?) Jamie -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- Erich Schulz Instrumental Technologies PO Box 9170 Wyee, NSW 2259 Ph: (+612) 43593411, Fax: (+612) 43593696 Mob: 0408 201 288 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Internet Banking
Richard Blackburn wrote: I'm going to send a letter to the head of consumer affairs at the NAB complaining that I have to use Windows to do Internet Banking. Since I know it will get passed down to their IT department, I want to able to sound technically savvy enough in 25 words or less to tell them what they have to do to make their program work for all OSs. So what do I say? I have no trouble at all with Internet Banking using Westpac. 25 words (?)... On the website, stick to traditional HTML/3.2 and HTTPS, with very simple Javascript, no Java, and cookies for session management. This combination works quite well on a wide range of platforms, incl. Mac, Linux, Unix and Windows. Do not use any proprietary browser plug-ins or stand-alone programmes to facilitate the banking transactions ... do it all on the server after interacting with a 'standard' web browser. [Does NAB require you to (a) upload a Windows-only plug-in; or (b) require nasty Java applets; or (c) require a stand-alone programme that runs only on Windows ???] -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Internet Banking
westpac manage too, and god knows they are pretty useless. Tell NAB that if Westpac and St.G can do it, then they should be able to, seeing they are the "Market Leader" haha On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, DaZZa wrote: On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Richard Blackburn wrote: I'm going to send a letter to the head of consumer affairs at the NAB complaining that I have to use Windows to do Internet Banking. Since I know it will get passed down to their IT department, I want to able to sound technically savvy enough in 25 words or less to tell them what they have to do to make their program work for all OSs. So what do I say? Use a Java applet. That's how St George do it, and I do my banking from my Linux box just fine. DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] Internet Banking
Hi there Hate to mention it but cba dosen't require any java just javascript (although their ad for vodaphone phone banking is a java applet but that's all) Although their windoze program and advances/(st george's) worked fine under wine and it may not hurt to point out that most of their competition allow linux (or any os) to be used (I was just about to switch banks because of this problem, when CBA _finally_ got their act together and provided a web interface - java based). -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Apache with virtual hosts. Need 2 domains on 1 IP.
Hi all, Apache Documents say that I must supply 2 IP addresses for 2 virtual hosts. I can't believe this is true is it.. It's under VirtualHosts/VirtualHosts Is this the right section to put the domains in? mean while, I'll keep looking.. but need help quick.. thanks, George. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] Apache with virtual hosts. Need 2 domains on 1 IP.
http://www.apache.org/docs/vhosts/name-based.html = Original Message From George Vieira [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Hi all, Apache Documents say that I must supply 2 IP addresses for 2 virtual hosts. I can't believe this is true is it.. It's under VirtualHosts/VirtualHosts Is this the right section to put the domains in? mean while, I'll keep looking.. but need help quick.. thanks, George. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Apache with virtual hosts. Need 2 domains on 1 IP.
Hi George, This ISNT true What you need are these entries in httpd.conf Listen 1.1.1.1:80 NameVirtualHost 1.1.1.1 VirtualHost 1.1.1.1] ServerName nameone.com.au /VirtualHost VirtualHost 1.1.1.1 ServerName nametwo.com.au /VirtualHost That should get you by. Matta George Vieira wrote: Hi all, Apache Documents say that I must supply 2 IP addresses for 2 virtual hosts. I can't believe this is true is it.. It's under VirtualHosts/VirtualHosts Is this the right section to put the domains in? mean while, I'll keep looking.. but need help quick.. thanks, George. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- Matt Allen Linux/PHP eCommerce Solutions Linux Worx Linux Networking www.linuxworx.com.auConsulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0413 777 771 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] Apache with virtual hosts. Need 2 domains on 1 IP.
I knew it was something simple I did wrong.. It also helped when diagnosing http problems to fix the refresh cache option in Netscape. was set to once per session and wasn't updating properly so my testing probably was working at once stage. God I hate that.. Besides that the httpd.conf was wrong anyway but the cache didn't help. thanks a mint guy. -Original Message- From: Matt Allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 9:23 PM To: George Vieira Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: [SLUG] Apache with virtual hosts. Need 2 domains on 1 IP. Hi George, This ISNT true What you need are these entries in httpd.conf Listen 1.1.1.1:80 NameVirtualHost 1.1.1.1 VirtualHost 1.1.1.1] ServerName nameone.com.au /VirtualHost VirtualHost 1.1.1.1 ServerName nametwo.com.au /VirtualHost That should get you by. Matta George Vieira wrote: Hi all, Apache Documents say that I must supply 2 IP addresses for 2 virtual hosts. I can't believe this is true is it.. It's under VirtualHosts/VirtualHosts Is this the right section to put the domains in? mean while, I'll keep looking.. but need help quick.. thanks, George. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- Matt Allen Linux/PHP eCommerce Solutions Linux Worx Linux Networking www.linuxworx.com.auConsulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0413 777 771 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Apache with virtual hosts. Need 2 domains on 1 IP.
All you need is to specify what interface which IP address will be receiving the requests for the virtual hosts: NameVirtualHost 12.34.56.78 And then set about configuring all the virtual hosts: VirtualHost 12.34.56.78 ServerName www.virtual.com DocumentRoot/home/httpd/virtual.com/web/root Directory /home/httpd/virtual.com/web/root AllowOverride None /Directory /VirtualHost And then make sure www.virtual.com exists in your DNS Wrote George: Hi all, Apache Documents say that I must supply 2 IP addresses for 2 virtual hosts. I can't believe this is true is it.. It's under VirtualHosts/VirtualHosts Is this the right section to put the domains in? mean while, I'll keep looking.. but need help quick.. thanks, George. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- Cantanker / -/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] ipchains rules
hi slugs, i'm a bit confused with the following rules... this is from the ipchains howto which i'm trying to understand. please look at these two rules... ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.1.0/24 -i eth0 -j good-dmz ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.1.0/24 -i ppp0 -j good-bad are the -i eth0 and -i ppp0 destination interfaces, or are they source interfaces? what is read between the -s 192.168.1.0/24 and the -i eth0 and, or, not, what? sorry if it's unclear as i'm trying to grasp what exactly is going on with the packet that is traversing these rules. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] ipchains rules
Hey Ben, please look at these two rules... ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.1.0/24 -i eth0 -j good-dmz ipchains is forwarding to the chain good-dmz anything with source address 192.168.1.x which arrives via the eth0 interface. ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.1.0/24 -i ppp0 -j good-bad ipchains is forwarding to the chain good-bad anything with source address 192.168.1.x which arrives via the ppp0 interface. Gavin Sherry http://LinuxWorld.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] ipchains rules
ah, so to clarify there is an "and" between -s 192.168.1.0/24 -i eth0 ? "[-SwM-]" wrote: Hey Ben, please look at these two rules... ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.1.0/24 -i eth0 -j good-dmz ipchains is forwarding to the chain good-dmz anything with source address 192.168.1.x which arrives via the eth0 interface. ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.1.0/24 -i ppp0 -j good-bad ipchains is forwarding to the chain good-bad anything with source address 192.168.1.x which arrives via the ppp0 interface. Gavin Sherry http://LinuxWorld.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Free ISPs
Free.net has a linux client and is supposed to be quite fast. 5k downloads are quite a common occurance. carlo on 9/6/00 8:48 AM, Matt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know any good Free ISPs in Australia ? I need both one that support Linux AND Windows and one that supports Windows only. I am simply thinking of creating a dial up account for myself with a phone line nobody ever uses and i'd love to use Windows but in a few weeks, Linux ! :) I know FreeOnline does Windows but is it Linux compatible ? Thanks ! Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG-ANNOUNCE] [SLUG] New Event: SLUG `Religious Wars'
On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Jeff Waugh wrote: A war with a name... They called it: VI vs. EMACS We did a debate on this very topic a couple of years ago (I was one of the judges :) I won't tell you who won ours until after yours is over :) Rob --Robert Brockway B.Sc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] ipchains rules
Ben, Yes, it could be thought of in terms of AND logic. Gavin ]}=== __ _ / / (_)__ __ __ / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / . . . t h e c h o i c e o f a //_/_//_/_,_/ /_/_\ G N U g e n e r a t i o n . . . -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Internet Banking
On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 08:01:15PM +1000, Rick Welykochy wrote: [Does NAB require you to (a) upload a Windows-only plug-in; or (b) require nasty Java applets; or (c) require a stand-alone programme that runs only on Windows ???] I've just had a quick squiz at the NAB internet banking site (I'm not a customer, so I couldn't actually proceed.) It looks as though it's option (b), with a warning that the java involved isn't compatible with the JVM in either Netscape or MS-IE on Macintosh. Dunno what that means for the JVM in Netscape on Linux or others. They say that they'll put effort in to make their application compatible with the JVM in the next browser versions for Macs. -- Andrew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] ipchains rules
Frankly I find it better to avoid the logic of the forward rules and just stick to the inbound and the outbound rules, note that I say inbound, not input and outbound, not output; there is subtle difference in these names. Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Ben Donohue wrote: hi slugs, i'm a bit confused with the following rules... this is from the ipchains howto which i'm trying to understand. please look at these two rules... ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.1.0/24 -i eth0 -j good-dmz ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.1.0/24 -i ppp0 -j good-bad are the -i eth0 and -i ppp0 destination interfaces, or are they source interfaces? what is read between the -s 192.168.1.0/24 and the -i eth0 and, or, not, what? sorry if it's unclear as i'm trying to grasp what exactly is going on with the packet that is traversing these rules. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Internet Banking
On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 06:55:08PM +1000, Richard Blackburn wrote: Sluggers, I'm going to send a letter to the head of consumer affairs at the NAB complaining that I have to use Windows to do Internet Banking. Since I know it will get passed down to their IT department, I want to able to sound technically savvy enough in 25 words or less to tell them what they have to do to make their program work for all OSs. http://www.linuxhelp.com.au/electronic-banking/Electronic-Banking-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.5 No idea how up-to-date this is, but it worked reasonably well when Anthony and I first went through the process of getting it to work under Linux a year or so ago. I could put in a plug here to say that Macquarie Bank's online banking is HTML-only and thus will work with anything (including Lynx+SSL), but I wont :) Scott. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Internet Banking
On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Richard Blackburn wrote: I'm going to send a letter to the head of consumer affairs at the NAB complaining that I have to use Windows to do Internet Banking. Since I know it will get passed down to their IT department, I want to able to sound technically savvy enough in 25 words or less to tell them what they have to do to make their program work for all OSs. So what do I say? it's not worth it.. I talked with their technical manager 4 months ago when the software was in beta. I submitted a full report on the (small) changes required to make it work (better) on Linux. They ignored me of course. --- Anthony Rumble LinuxHelp http://www.LinuxHelp.com.au Phone: 0500 500 368 Direct 02-9712-1799 Mobile 0412-955-042 Fax 02-9712-3977 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] (OT) ISDN connections
On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, DaZZa wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Rodos wrote:
IMHO go with a router, even though this might get me some flames. I have a
Cisco 761, there are much better ones now. Try and get something with IOS.
All Cisco products run Cisco IOS - Cisco Internetworking Operating System
- even switches.
I am sure others will disagree and a Linux system will do the job but I
have found a router + Linux box a better solution. Your milage may vary.
I'm actually a bit ambivalent - I can get a router for about $600 {not a
Cisco}
Yes, but not a cisco
- and I believe ISDN cards run to around $450 or so - but with
the
Try $279
router I could have such things working in 10 minutes - with the ISDN card
it might take me a week or more, depending on the drivers.
Takes me about 10 minutes to install the software and configure it.
And doesn't require you to understand Cisco's wierd interface.
---
Anthony Rumble
LinuxHelp http://www.LinuxHelp.com.au Phone: 0500 500 368
Direct 02-9712-1799 Mobile 0412-955-042 Fax 02-9712-3977
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Re: [SLUG] double mirror
Wrote Scott Howard on Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 08:13:14AM +1000: On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 02:26:56AM +1000, Chuck Dale wrote: Hullo, Has anyone set up a mirror of mirror.aarnet? Any idea of the bandwidth it would use? mirror.aarnet has about 40gigs disk space I believe but I'd be interested as to how much bandwidth would be used per day in updates. In a word - Dont. mirror.aarnet has about 450 gigs of disk (to be increased to between 500 and 700 gigs in a few months), of which about 5% changes each day and thus has to be remirrored. Ah okay then. Maybe time for an update of the about page: "The archive runs on a 4 processor Sun SparcCenter 1000 with 256M of RAM and 50GBytes of disk." (http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/qmirror/aboutsite.html) Chuck -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Internet Banking
It looks as though it's option (b), with a warning that the java involved isn't compatible with the JVM in either Netscape or MS-IE on Macintosh. Dunno what that means for the JVM in Netscape on Linux or others. They say that they'll put effort in to make their application compatible with the JVM in the next browser versions for Macs. Would somebody please just shot Bill Gates. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] WAP to HTML
Is there a way to view a WAP site using a browser? Does anyone know of any browsers that currently support WAP? (Linux preferred, of course). I tried with Netscape 4.73 (failed). Thanks, Dennis -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] wireless link (OT)
This link could end up being useful for wireless.. http://www.d-a-v-e.com/mdlp Regards, Mehmet -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Free ISPs
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Matt wrote: Does anyone know any good Free ISPs in Australia ? Soon TLA will allow free dial up access as a value added service for using TLA phone services. This will not require _any_ propritory software and will allow users their choice of OS. Details are not yet complete. Yes I am affilliated with TLA and this is in a sense a plug, also an indication of what will soon happen to the ISP world. Funny - coundn't tell by the email address...:-) Do you have any details as to WHAT the connection type will be (i.e. straight PPP, have to use a browser, etc ??) Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Internet Banking
Richard Blackburn wrote: Sluggers, I'm going to send a letter to the head of consumer affairs at the NAB complaining that I have to use Windows to do Internet Banking. Since I know it will get passed down to their IT department, I want to able to sound technically savvy enough in 25 words or less to tell them what they have to do to make their program work for all OSs. So what do I say? Use something that is close to their hearts ***MONEY*** and bad press 1. In Japan there are more mobile phone Internet users than Window Internet users 2. Does it meet their obligation for blind users? 3. Are they using straight SSL or a Java client? If Java apart from the installer what the problem? -- Richard Hayes Nada Marketing - 113-115 Oxford St Sydney Australia 2010 phone: +(61-2) 9360 fax:+(61-2) 9361 0094 mobile 0414 618 425 http://www.nada.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Internet Banking
On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Peter Rundle wrote: It looks as though it's option (b), with a warning that the java involved isn't compatible with the JVM in either Netscape or MS-IE on Macintosh. Dunno what that means for the JVM in Netscape on Linux or others. Actually it was written in J++ - Not Java. M$ Lost the right to call it Java a couple of years ago when they abducted the standard. They say that they'll put effort in to make their application compatible with the JVM in the next browser versions for Macs. Would somebody please just shot Bill Gates. What - And make a marter ??? Cheers Jason. --- Jason Ball Electronic Commerce Specialist Corporate Express Australia Ltd Phone: +61 2 9335 0374 Fax: +61 2 9335 0753 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Free ISPs
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Do you have any details as to WHAT the connection type will be (i.e. straight PPP, have to use a browser, etc ??) It is envisage this will be a simple dial-up modem connection using PPP and no special browsers, no adds, no BS. There will be a compulsory mailing list that will be used for some advertising, however, this will be kept to a moderate amount as we do not want to be flooding users with unwanted messages. If you or anyone has further questions regarding this please let me know off list as this strays a little from the Linux topic, but, we are after all a linux based operation. Kind regards Kevin Waterson CEO OceaniaTLA -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Bell Labs and Other Less Notables
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 01:40:37 +1000 From: Chuck Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] OPTION An organisation funded by sponsorship from companies (Linux companies, hardware companies, whatever) interested in free software development. But detached as much as possible from developing what the sponsors want, to developing what would be useful for people. Has this been done before? There are similar organisations in a number of other areas but what about technology? Yeah... it's called the "Free Software Foundation" http://www.fsf.org and it's where this whole linux wave started really. If we didn't have the GPL where would we be? ---GRiP--- Grant Parnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Ph: 02-8701-4564 Mob: 0408-686-201 Web: http://www.poboxes.com/gripz No Microsoft products were used in the production of this message. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] double mirror
Chuck Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ah okay then. Maybe time for an update of the about page: "The archive runs on a 4 processor Sun SparcCenter 1000 with 256M of RAM and 50GBytes of disk." (http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/qmirror/aboutsite.html) we pensioned off a SparcCenter 1000 and a 2000 for customers not that long ago. We've still got the 2000 (a "proper" old style computer the size of a large fridge with a 30A captive power plug), we even fire it up occasionally on cold days. Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Internet Banking
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Peter Rundle wrote: Would somebody please just shot Bill Gates. What - And make a marter ??? not much danger of that (it's martyr BTW). While you're putting out contracts on people, please also include Dick Alston (our glorious minister against IT and telecommunications). Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] WAP to HTML
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9 Jun 00, at 8:15, Dennis Gray wrote: Is there a way to view a WAP site using a browser? Does anyone know of any browsers that currently support WAP? (Linux preferred, of course). I tried with Netscape 4.73 (failed). Try the WAP simulator at www.blueskyfrog.com Aussie -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.0.2 -- QDPGP 2.60 Comment: Please verify this signature. http://www.pgpi.com iQA/AwUBOT+/2pZb9oayhFBBEQLBugCg/dAuScJlQ3JBXtWfbBlgVjj7gr8AoIi4 Jvd6pPPWiAalWuTP/q51LRS7 =piQ6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- PGP Key Block available at: http://aussie.mine.nu/aussie/pgp_key.txt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] html search engine
Hi Guys what would you recommend as a search engine? I have 100's MB of html pages and would like to do boolean AND, OR, NOT searches through the sites I've downloaded. any help recommended.. regards Russell -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] html search engine
On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Russell Davie wrote: Hi Guys what would you recommend as a search engine? I have 100's MB of html pages and would like to do boolean AND, OR, NOT searches through the sites I've downloaded. any help recommended.. ht://Dig is pretty good. http://www.htdig.org/ Regards Peter -- Peter Samuel[EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Consultantor at present: eServ. Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +61 2 9206 3410 Fax: +61 2 9281 1301 "If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Force Minicom to dial sans dial-tone,
Is there anyway you can force minicom to dial the modem ignoring the dial-tone? I'm at an office where you have to dial 0 to get a line, unfortunately this doesn't cause a normal dial-tone to be heard, you get a continuous tone. instead. You then just dial out. I'm trying to get a Linux box to dial out using this line but when I run minicom it comes up with the NO DIALTONE message. Looked at all the options, can't see one to ignore the lack of dial-tone. Can I send the modem something at? to cause it to just dial ahead anyway? Thanks Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Force Minicom to dial sans dial-tone,
On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Peter Rundle wrote: Is there anyway you can force minicom to dial the modem ignoring the dial-tone? Its not minicom doing it. Can I send the modem something at? to cause it to just dial ahead anyway? Yep, thats what you need. Try ATX0 Rodos -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers. [Leonard Camion Technology | Brandwein] +61 2 9873 5105 | -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Force Minicom to dial sans dial-tone,
On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Peter Rundle wrote: Is there anyway you can force minicom to dial the modem ignoring the dial-tone? I'm at an office where you have to dial 0 to get a line, unfortunately this doesn't cause a normal dial-tone to be heard, you get a continuous tone. instead. You then just dial out. I'm trying to get a Linux box to dial out using this line but when I run minicom it comes up with the NO DIALTONE message. Looked at all the options, can't see one to ignore the lack of dial-tone. Can I send the modem something at? to cause it to just dial ahead anyway? atx0dt0,number The x0 tells it to blind dial. DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Force Minicom to dial sans dial-tone,
Yep, thats what you need. Try ATX0 Thanks, turns out that some version of the truth was in fact being told, the cable to the phone was fine the cable to the modem -- DUD! Got it working now Beauty! Pete. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] html search engine
What form are they in on a web server or netscape cache? or the like I do know that wwwoffle (see freshmeat) can have it's cache serarch by htdig and it's all in the docs. Because I do that on my laptop. On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Peter Samuel wrote: On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Russell Davie wrote: Hi Guys what would you recommend as a search engine? I have 100's MB of html pages and would like to do boolean AND, OR, NOT searches through the sites I've downloaded. any help recommended.. ht://Dig is pretty good. http://www.htdig.org/ Regards Peter -- Peter Samuel[EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Consultantor at present: eServ. Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +61 2 9206 3410 Fax: +61 2 9281 1301 "If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] Bell Labs and Other Less Notables
Actuallyon the subject of Bell Labs, I cant remember where I read it but Bell labs have made their Unix based Plan 9 OS Open source now :) -Original Message- From: Grant Parnell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 11:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Chuck Dale Subject: [SLUG] Bell Labs and Other Less Notables Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 01:40:37 +1000 From: Chuck Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] OPTION An organisation funded by sponsorship from companies (Linux companies, hardware companies, whatever) interested in free software development. But detached as much as possible from developing what the sponsors want, to developing what would be useful for people. Has this been done before? There are similar organisations in a number of other areas but what about technology? Yeah... it's called the "Free Software Foundation" http://www.fsf.org and it's where this whole linux wave started really. If we didn't have the GPL where would we be? ---GRiP--- Grant Parnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Ph: 02-8701-4564 Mob: 0408-686-201 Web: http://www.poboxes.com/gripz No Microsoft products were used in the production of this message. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Problem with console
Hi Sluggers. I got a problem after a PSU blow up thats a little hard to find. After replacing PSU, and rebooting machine. I force a e2fsck and everything is OK (node and disk wise) but if I do a "ps fax" or a "top" the screen aborts and all I get is a bold highlighted prompt, and doing "reset" restores the screen (x screen actually) to the default setting. Both "ps fax" and "top" give seg fault. "ps" alone goes OK so I suspect the problems are in the console/terminal setups. Checking "ps fax" or "top" with strace seem to indicate it seg faults on writing out the "pueso graphics". Ie. The tree for ps fax. getty and associated control seems OK, rebooting the system doesn't remove the problem. System is e-smith. And although I have check most things there appears no obverious problem(s). Suggestions anyone? Thanks Grahame -- SLUG (Sydney Linux User Group) www.slug.org.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] (OT) ISDN connections
Telstra are now actively trialing ADSL and they (officially) say it will be expanded in August. So it might pay you to wait a little. However they have not spat out any pricing for ADSL, yet. Knowing Telstra they probably will take it from the living, again. Instead of providing decent bandwidth at a decent price. Anyhow one can only hope. Does this help? Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2000 15:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] (OT) ISDN connections I'm thinking about organising myself an ISDN connection. Does anyone have any thoughts regarding Telstra v. Connect v. anyoneelse? Is there a difference in performance? Am I right in thinking that Telstra's pricing regarding back channel is bizzarre? or am I not reading it correctly? It reads as if the more you download within their flat rate, the more you can upload for no extra cost. This connection is primarily for web hosting. ObLinux: any thoughts regarding Cisco router v. Linux box with ISDN card? With thanks, David. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] html search engine
100 MB is big enough to warrant a full engine like Swish++ It was discussed on SLUG about a week ago. - Sonam Peter Samuel wrote: On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Russell Davie wrote: Hi Guys what would you recommend as a search engine? I have 100's MB of html pages and would like to do boolean AND, OR, NOT searches through the sites I've downloaded. any help recommended.. ht://Dig is pretty good. http://www.htdig.org/ Regards Peter -- Peter Samuel[EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Consultantor at present: eServ. Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +61 2 9206 3410 Fax: +61 2 9281 1301 "If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] Apache with virtual hosts. Need 2 domains on 1 IP.
You should also specify separate log files ... makes things lot easier. The server alias is also very useful one use it to make virtual.com.au an alias for www.virtual.com.au. As someone pointed out this is presently missing for slug web. :( Eg. VirtualHost 192.168.1.13 ServerName www.test.altkey.com.au ServerAlias test.altkey.com.au DocumentRoot /usr/local/apache/htdocsTest ErrorLog logs/test-error_log CustomLog logs/test-access_log common /VirtualHost Cheers, Dave. -- David Zverina Alt Key Pty. Ltd. http://www.altkey.com PO Box 3121, Parramatta, 2124, Australia -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] (OT) ISDN connections
Bernhard, funny you should bring ADSL up. There is a preliminary news item about ADSL with pricing for the trial covered on LinuxWorld.com.au http://www.linuxworld.com.au/news.php3?tid=1nid=75 I have also heard rumours that the ADSL pricing will be a similar structure to the BPA pricing. Gavin ]}=== __ _ / / (_)__ __ __ / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / . . . t h e c h o i c e o f a //_/_//_/_,_/ /_/_\ G N U g e n e r a t i o n . . . On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, [iso-8859-1] Bernhard Lüder wrote: Telstra are now actively trialing ADSL and they (officially) say it will be expanded in August. So it might pay you to wait a little. However they have not spat out any pricing for ADSL, yet. Knowing Telstra they probably will take it from the living, again. Instead of providing decent bandwidth at a decent price. Anyhow one can only hope. Does this help? Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2000 15:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] (OT) ISDN connections I'm thinking about organising myself an ISDN connection. Does anyone have any thoughts regarding Telstra v. Connect v. anyoneelse? Is there a difference in performance? Am I right in thinking that Telstra's pricing regarding back channel is bizzarre? or am I not reading it correctly? It reads as if the more you download within their flat rate, the more you can upload for no extra cost. This connection is primarily for web hosting. ObLinux: any thoughts regarding Cisco router v. Linux box with ISDN card? With thanks, David. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
