[SLUG] XScreensaver Sonar ping
Someone mentioned the Sonar XScreensaver and ping being setuid... So it happens, jwz mentioned it today... jwz so should I make xscreensaver install the "sonar" hack as setuid by default, so that it can ping? jdub jwz: we had a post on SLUG about that today! raph uhm, if foo.h has #include "bar.h", does #include freetype/foo.h look up bar.h in the freetype dir? rtmfd jwz: you evil man rconover jwz: I did it on my own before jwz jdub: huh? jwz rtmfd: huh? rconover jwz: its not fun on campus jdub jwz: Sydney Linux User Group... someone asked about it... whether it was bad for security or not. jwz it is not raph ie, does it always implictly use the current dir of the file it's included from? jwz it's just fuckin' *ping* jdub can i quote you on that? ;) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: TCP/IP books (was Re: [SLUG] Specify which processes run on which processor)
James Wilkinson wrote: Just pulled it off the shelf: it's 813 pages. It has a humerous cartoon on the front (s/humerous/lame/). I didn't find it very hard going, but from the lectures, I think many other people did. Sorry, there was a joke in that: http://www.xach.com/linux_is_obsolete.html - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Weird Xwindows Colour Problem
Daron Barndon wrote: The problem I have is netscape (and some other programs) have a red tinge to their display. It is not a monitor/card issue as xterms display in pure white. Well, white is 100% red, 100% blue and 100% green, so that's not too surprising. ;) All of the window managers (included with mandrake) with all of the themes still display red/pink. Its almost like their has been a red overlay. Skin tones come out green! Wiggle your monitor cable, make sure your card is seated properly, take anything that may be causing electromagnetic interference away (yes, that means your box too), and finally, plug someone else's monitor in. Sadly, it sounds like a monitor problem to me. Similar thing happened with my old Osborne monitor (yes! my first 386 was an Osborne - with SCSI of all things...) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux on the desktop predictions
Conrad Parker wrote: "there are two types of command interfaces in the world of computing: good interfaces and user interfaces." -- Dan Bernstein, "The qmail security guarantee", http://cr.yp.to/qmail/guarantee.html Ah yes. The way, the truth, and the light shining out of Dan Bernstein's proverbial. Another slimy Wizard in His Tower who would prefer us all to be timesharing instead of being empowered by what I would almost go so far as describe as *ethical* software design. There will _always_ be a place for unambiguous input. Please tell me why a simple interface is necessarily ambiguous? Please explain why a simple interface is anything but unambiguous! no, but at least she stops asking why you're still single ;) The rest of your email was as funny as that too... I had to read it three times before I could argue any of it. ;) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Good text WWW browser
Andrew Macks wrote: And let us not forget w3m, which does rendering too and has SSL support. w3m vs Links seems to be a bit of a trade-off. SSL for background loading. But I haven't tried Links first-hand yet, so there may be other advantages/disadvantages. Seems w3m is more actively developed, but that doesn't mean a better client I guess. My preference is w3m for rendering (viewing html emails in mutt), and links for real browsing. It has a nice curses interface with menus and all. w3m looks sharper though, so if you need to output a webpage as text, use it. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Which Distribution for schools?
Trevor Gunter wrote: With the state govt. rollout of computers to schools we are free to choose what we like, basically either iMacs or Win98 machines of various ilk. If you've got the opportunity to get iMacs, grab them. Your students won't be able to screw them up as easily as beige boxes (expert hands reach in to 'fix', etc), they're prettier, cooler architecture (well!) and I'd take a Mac over a Windows box *any* day of the week. I don't know enough about the various distributions apart from RH to decide? 1) For an education envt (High school) is there a distro that is "Better" or to be preferred. For desktops, not really. To be blunt, most distros end up the same when you look at them front on. The back-end sysadmin stuff is your problem, but from a user's perspective, Linux is Linux is Linux (or rather, X is X is X). Your first priority should be to choose a desktop environment and/or window manager combo that you can lock down without much fuss. Here I'd recommend WindowMaker, but that's only because it used ot be my primary WM. Once you've got that worked out, spend some time considering how you want to administer all these machines. (This is the point at which I say "Debian makes for an excellent server, especially when you have to administer it remotely" - weren't expecting that were you?) :D 2) Should Linux reside within it's own partition or as I believe some distros can 'live' in a folder within windows. Argh! RUN! RUN! RUN! Look at it this way: you will never secure files on a Windows 98 machine properly. So, what good is a secure OS (Linux), when I can just rummage through C:\LINUX and delete whatever I want? Separate partitions are the way to go. Any comments along these lines or any other suggestions most welcome. What's the best way of getting Linux more mainstream in schools? It was mentioned earlier today, and I've been planning to implement a similar scheme for some time; Sydney Uni have a little Linux partition on most of their public access machines that can remotely replace partitions with appropriate images - NT or otherwise. Like I said, I'll be doing something rather like that, and once I'm done, I'll post a FAQqy HOWTO thing. Might be a few weeks tho. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] name server weirdness
Russell Davies wrote: ; It's not a problem for an individual with the skills. But for a ; distribution this is not good enough. Isn't this exact (bogus) argument applied to linux as a whole? I'm sick of hearing it, if you don't have those skills you shouldn't be playing with MTAs. Having spluttered Coke on my keyboard, I'm now quite cross. ;) An MTA is a required feature on many (if not all) Linux installations. Although not strictly necessary if you use mailers like Netscape, let's look at it from the perspective of Linux' current strongpoint: servers. You "can't not" have an MTA, and if that's the case, it should be bloody easy to set up for basic requirements. Case in point: The Exim installation on Debian systems is almost fool-proof. Debconf asks you what your setup is like, and makes the Exim settings reflect that. If you're using dial-up on a desktop system, it does it. Seamlessly. If you're running a 'real' mail server, it sets it up. Seamlessly. Sure, it won't do a lot of the fancy stuff Postfix or (perish the thought) Sendmail and qmail do, but the intention is to have a *workable system running easily*. At the moment, the SLUG mailing list is pumped out by Exim which I (having never touched Debian nor Exim before) set up in about 30 seconds. For basic installations, that's the way it ought to be. You may be surprised to find that basic installations are the most freqent too... - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] auto-apt
Trent Swift wrote: Umm, a short list: task-gnome-games.depends snip 8 snip 8 snip very LONG list! Hmm... so if I installed a very basic console woody, and tried running gnome-tetris [*], I'd end up with a fully configured desktop system? And they wonder why we LOVE Debian?!? ;) - Jeff [*] Does this exist? Games? Huh? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT : Windows 2000 Port Forwarding
Matt Allen wrote: Are you fully aware that you just asked a 100% windows question to the Sydney Linux Users Group list? Linux? LINUX? I thought it stood for legume! I wondered why there was a mutant penguin-slug on the website... - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: More OT: Is tux gender specific ? (RE: [SLUG] OT: Geek/Linux apparel)
Aravind Naidu wrote: That begs the question. Is Tux gender specific ? Some of our fairer sex colleagues might take exception to that !! So why does it sound strange to me that you have both "gender specific" and "fairer sex" in the same paragraph? ;) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ [Un]Subscribe: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] LinuxFest: ideas on what to bring
Here's the link: http://www.powerup.com.au/~squadron/ Well it would have to be modified as it does not include the 'cut' command. After all that is the favourite/mascot command of SLUG isn't it? Heh - it was also done in MS Word. ARGH! On that note, if anyone would like to volunteer to do a more current and generalised one (without the reliance on RedHat) that we can use for our InstallFest, and distribute to LUGs across the country for IF2K, I'd appreciate it greatly. Something compact, fairly broad, good for newbies, and of course, done totally with Open Source/Free Software. It would be nice to have a little colophon for that, hey? :) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] named logging
P.S. What's this about a LinuxFest coming up? Our InstallFest is planned for August 26th. Once the committee has got its arse into gear we'll be making announcements and asking for help and stuff. If you'd like to get in on the action - join the "Festies" mailing list by signing up on the mailman form at: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/festies or by emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "subscribe" as the subject. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] mounting off a loop device in 2.2.12
+ Marshall, Joshua wrote: | #mount -t vfat -o loop /home/schakrab/shuv.iso /mnt/cdrom | ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Invalid argument | | Firstly, the filesystem type wouldn't be vfat, it'd be iso9660. That's most probably the problem. | losetup /dev/loop0 /home/schakrab/shuv.iso | mount /dev/loop0 /mnt/cdrom | | and when you're finished, | | umount /mnt/cdrom | losetup -d /dev/loop0 That's a waste of typing! :) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] vim
Colin Humphreys wrote: How do I get line and column numbers down the bootom right? Hi Colin, You can either type :set ruler when you're in vim, or put the same (ans the colon) in your .vimrc file. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] OT: Nerds and geeks
David wrote: BTW, should it be "site" or "sight" ?? I've often wondered. These are the sort of deep issues that geeks concern themselves with :-) Thank you for walking right into the crossfire of one of my pet niggles (read: absolute guarantee of frustration, potentially causing nuclear meltdown). IT SHOULD BE "SITE" - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Reiser file system
Rev Simon Rumble wrote: Is Reiser ready for the mainstream yet? ie, I'm about to build a new server and should I use Reiser? Aravind asked the same thing last week -- SourceForge are using it for half their operations, and seem incredibly happy with it. I'll probably convert over my 8 gig data drive next week sometime, just to see what all the fuss is about. ;) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Lies, Damned Lies and Stats Cheats [Was: Reading a file into variables?]
Jon Biddell wrote: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 Hey Terry - no fair trying to fsck the stats !!! *sigh* I thought it might come to this. I guess Zack, Rodos, jwz and myself have a lot to answer for. But I'm going to fight back anyway! Consider Jamie's script modified; to handle "special cases" such as these. ;) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Changebars in DocBook
From "The Man" himself (who's an Emacs kinda guy), - Forwarded message from Norman Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: 02 Jul 2000 17:12:21 -0400 From: Norman Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DOCBOOK: Denoting change in a DocBook document User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) Emacs/20.6 / Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: | Surely some of the documentors on this list would be presenting long DocBook | documents to traditional editors - what's your solution? Changebars are an exceptionally thorny problem. I don't know of any good, general solution. It's possible that XPointer+XLink+XSL+CVS+diff+"SMOP" is enough technology to make a pretty good stab at the problem, but it'll require some inventiveness. Keep in mind that there are two flavors of changebars. The "show me what has changed between these two versions" is SMOP (simple matter of programming). The other, more legalistic flavor, where you want a record of the fact that someone deleted a word and then added the same word back, requires an editing tool to keep track of what you change. Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Some books are undeservedly http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | forgotten, non are undeservedly Chair, DocBook Technical Committee | remembered.--W. H. Auden - End forwarded message - - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Thing about these ranks
Matt wrote: Did anyone bring this up yet ? Not that I care about rankings, or anything :) The script by jwz measures noise as empty lines and quotes beginning with "", which is easy to get around. I was writing a new script which took into account the entire message when making its calculations, instead of line-by-line as Jamie's does. However, I'm fed up with this whole ridiculous exercise, and I'm sorry I continued it by posting the newer stats this week. It was fun for a bit, but it's just cranking up the noise without giving us any signal in return. I'm considering removing the Pearls stats as well. Numbers always fsck things up, - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] [IF2K] InstallFest 2000 on Slashdot!
Hay all, http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/07/04/1633216mode=nested So we're in the spotlight and stuff. ;) Now it's going to start heating up. I asked about anyone who would like to be involved at Friday's meeting, and there were a couple of interested people. If your Uni group, school, commune, whatever is interested in holding their own InstallFest - send [EMAIL PROTECTED] an email and we'll get you on the page, etc. :) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] KC SLUG Pearls #5
KC SLUG Pearls #5 is here! http://www.slug.org.au/ - SLUG Pearls is now a Kernel Cousin! http://kt.linuxcare.com/slug-pearls/latest.epl (to published later this evening) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Any users of zeta.org.au?
Zeta's out? Sounds like Optus are going to be in big trouble... CIA (Connect Infobahn) and so I've heard, a few others, have been down for the last fews days as something went terribly wrong at the Optus exchange in the city. I can't give you any more technical details though... CIA were totally offline, dial-up, telephone, website, everything. We all love our new communications marketplace, don't we? - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] [Off Topic]: Was there a meeting last Friday ??
Jeff Waugh wrote: I'll definitely be updating it today. Sorry again to everyone who didn't find us on Friday! Done: http://slug.org.au/slugmeet.shtml Won't happen again! - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Religious Wars: The Next Battle?
Hi all, Was the Religious Wars debate worthwhile? Should we do it again? If so, on what grounds? Some suggestions I've already received: * Shells - bash vs. tcsh * Window Managers - um, you name one, everyone's fanatical about these * MTAs - qmail vs. Postfix Remember, by offering a suggestion, you look like a good team candidate! ;) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Re: Fri: PHP4 presentation on slug site ??
Ricky C wrote: any chance you put the PHP4 presentation on the website ?? Sure - Matt and Graeme will be sending me the stuff to put up. (Example of Jeff using his Jedi mind control technique...) Speakers are notoriously lazy when it comes to providing stuff for the website. Getting those DocBook people to get something for the webpage was a nightmare (Ahem. I was "one of those DocBook people"). ;) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Religious Wars: The Next Battle?
Michael Lake wrote: The Command Liners will argue entirely using the blackboard while the pro-GUIs will use a more visual approach and exclusively use sign language. Much giggling here... I forgot to mention DocBook vs. TeX too... ;) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Religious Wars: The Next Battle?
Distro's. Jeff can do Debian against everyone else :) Plus Anand and Herbert Xu are debian developers. Hey, that makes three! I'm only so noisy about it because I'm recently exposed - if there were ever a "Team Debian" in SLUG, it would be Herbert, Anand, Gus (who would be a laugh a minute in a technology review meeting), and Conrad. No idea how you'd choose the silent fourth... - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Australia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Extracting Weather text out of a web page - Newbie Question
Grahame M. Kelly wrote: Yes, I'll admit to being a html/web newbie. Sure. As if. ;) Does anyone have a simpler more elegant solution ? Certainly - you're best best for parsing a webpage for "stuff" is Perl, but the trouble is, the site will always change, forcing you to rewrite the code. Better solution: Go to *their* source! (well, likely source) http://weather.noaa.gov/ Read about METAR coded observations at the bottom, or, just grab the one from Sydney Airport which is right here: ftp://weather.noaa.gov/data/observations/metar/decoded/YSSY.TXT (I'm assuming here that you want to show webcam viewers what sort of weather the cockies and possums are... weathering?) There's also some PHP code that does this for all of the available weather stations: http://www.akooe.com/akooe.php/webmaster_en.html I didn't spend much time getting it to work, however. There is an obvious problem with it to begin with in that one of the files that relies on PHP is an .html file - not so great for anyone with a sane PHP setup (why parse *all* your html files?) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Get Linux Around Ausralia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Creating output from a docbook file.
Rodos wrote: I can easily look at the Docbook reference and markup everything in the tags as required, its just going from there I am a little lost. http://www.slug.org.au/docbook/ - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.slug.org.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Get Linux Around Ausralia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Chivalry of OS/FS
Hey all, Found this interesting article by Mark Stone: http://www.linux.com/news/articles.phtml?sid=93aid=9810 It's yet another "perspective on Open Source", but an interesting one nonetheless. - Jeff PS. What happened to "Free Software"? Seems none of the Linux .coms want to talk about it anymore... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://linux.conf.au/ -- linux.conf.au - coming to Sydney in January 2001 Installing Linux Around Ausralia - http://linux.org.au/installfest/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Mini-Review: 2.4.0-test*
Kernel Krazy this week - I installed test1 a few days ago, and test2 in the last couple. Here's what happened... test1: * No troubles on boot, everything ran as per. * Framebuffer consoles (with Matrox cards) are cool. You get a penguin for each processor in your system - now I have a spurious reason to get a dual CPU board. * The VM (virtual memory) in this release isn't all that great. My highly technical appraisal is that with 2.2.16, BubbleMon shows about a quarter of my memory used when doing basic X stuff (powershell, console mail client, Gnome panels, irc - not Nutscrape), whilst with test1, it constantly creeps up towards full. * IDE performance isn't noticably faster, in fact overall performance seems overly sluggish when there's hard drive action going on. * bttv driver was greyed out during kernel config. test2: * Boots faster than any other kernel I've met. Postfix decided not to start because tar segfaulted in its script. This turned out to be a wider problem. * VM seems much better than both test1 and 2.2. Not sure who's code it was (there's a bit of competition going on on the VM front), but all-round faster for X things. No more leakage. BubbleMon test: stable at one-quarter full. * IDE performace is faster, feels like less CPU involved as other processes don't go AWOL as much. * bttv driver back and happy. Given the time, I might do a couple of "proper" performance tests - at least something with numbers. Anyone else been playing with the new ones? - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- w: http://www.slug.org.au/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc." - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Tools for documentation.
Rodos? Clarify please, Michael and I are up for a flame. Don't let me hold you guys back. I am wanting to document a software project, but mainly the hardware and configuration site. I need to incorporate some schematic diagrams (xcircuit) and some pictures (jpeg). I need to be able to print the documentation and place it into an Intranet. I do not need to be able to colabourate with anyone else. HTML --- DocBook --- PS/PDF | | V RTF DocBook is extraordinarily fast to work with - once you have a working knowledge of the tags you need, it's lucid. sect1 titleWidgets/title paraWidgets are really helpful, blah, blah, blah... [and so on]/para sect2 titleThe Big Widget/title paraOnly very strong engineers should work with Big Widgets.../para /sect2 /sect1 And so forth. All your really important words and features in your text you markup to distinguish what they are. For instance: commandcp/command replaceablesource/replaceable replaceabledestination/replaceable This means your processing software (say stylesheets like DSSSL) can make them look they way you want. It also aids automation of your document in other ways (searching, etc). When it comes to images and other sgmltagMediaObjects/sgmltag (that's real DocBook by the way), you can define different sources for different outputs. In your example, the jpegs could be used for just about any output, whilst your xcircuits could be rendered to PS/EPS for print, and GIF or even Flash for web. You just tell it what the source is, and its type, and your processor does the rest. But lets add another senario. Lets pretend I am writing some open source software and I am wanting to document it before I place it onto freshmeat. I am going to need stuff that people obviously expect. These would be a man(1) page, a README file and some details on how the software works, some examples etc. Lets call the last on the user docs or manual. Can any of these tools help me create these variety of documents. Not sure where this is leading, just throwing it out and seeing what comes back. Alright, you'd be nuts not to do this in DocBook. To begin with, a whole swathe of the DocBook specification was based on man pages - read: http://www.docbook.org/tdg/html/ch02.html#MAKING-REFENTRY So you can process these into real manpages at the flick of a wrist. Cool, huh? Um, do your README in vi. Like normal hackers do. I'm kidding - you can do this in DocBook as well, but don't quote me when I say you can output to plain text. DocBook wasn't designed to do README's, so you may find one of the HTML/text tools floating around on Freshmeat useful - or you can always copy out of Lynx (which is how I do stuff like that). *Very* interested in Mike's talk - perhaps I should organise a DocBook/TeX Religious Wars for that night? Hmm... - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- w: http://www.slug.org.au/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc." - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] We're doing it!
Yeah well as I was having my morning shower I had another idea about this list, so it might be really shithouse... but here goes. NOT shithouse. Chuck and I had the same idea in the shower a few weeks ago. Hmmm... That didn't come out right did it? Anyway... Why not have the mailing list set the reply address of the list (or even the only address of the list) to one that is retrieved by a perl/php script and parsed into a mysql database? We're building it right now. :) This strikes me as the most powerful way to handle the problem of list archiveing and indexing. Then we can have all the flexibility of a datadriven source to power our list. Then we can make the mailbot script add uniquie ids to the list, have it recognise threads (%age similar subject i spose), easily searchable much more powerful. Couldn't have said it better myself. Only downside is the storage problem i spose :( as in who has the resources to donate to our worthy cause? By jove! W have a whole new server all to ourselves! :) And people were asking why we'd bother... ;) I'm sure there are many gurus willing to help write a very powerful script... Hi! :) We're actually doing the proof of concept on this very list (seeings that it's such a good one), initially hosting it here (at our secret underground dungeon). Peter Samuel mentioned subscribing lists to an archiving alias/user, and that's exactly what this will do - so it can be a massive archive. Turns out that this fits in nicely with Zack Brown's work at Linuxcare, so he's interested too! It will of course be GPL'ed, and once version something-or-other is up and running, we'll be asking for more interested developers. Feature requests and ideas to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - :) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- w: http://www.slug.org.au/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc." - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] uptimes
Also has anyone had long uptimes on a box which boots with X starting (ie graphical login) ? I had about 20 days on my machine before I took the 2.4.0-test1 plunge - not that 20 days is all that long... gpm with Helixcode Gnome 1.2 (although I have to admit I've restarted X a few times) Mike and I have disabled auto start X on all machines (except the latest) because of X/GUI instabilities. We just login and startx usually. See, this I don't understand. I was chastised by a certain wife of a certain kernel hacker for just this - but I don't get the difference. You're running X or you're running X, right? Quizzical, - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- w: http://www.slug.org.au/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc." - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Mini-Review: 2.4.0-test*
* Boots faster than any other kernel I've met. Postfix decided not to start because tar segfaulted in its script. This turned out to be a wider problem. Ooops! Forgot to explain the wider problem... tar was stuffed all over, so I installed from sources. Debian users can't live without tar (well, hardly anyone can, but it's especially important for debs). Sources worked okay, but there were a fair few segfaults after that anyway. Not entirely sure way. Perhaps try an ac? ;) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- w: http://www.slug.org.au/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc." - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Geek Haiku with jwz
Oh all right... I'll repost my LDP ones for your consumption: DocBook is easy when you read the manual Norman Walsh writes well where is ip_masq? compile my kernel again we have network love every year Rusty renames netfilter we must change our firewall scripts Linus calls the shots Alan keeps it working well Telsa makes us smile devfs was blessed by the holy penguin pee Richard Gooch could rest SGML is confusing for some writers call it XML - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- w: http://www.slug.org.au/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc." - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Tools for documentation.
At the risk of being flamed, I'd recommend you don't go with TeX because it could be seen to be `legacy technology'. ^ Ah! lucky you put that proviso in or I might have bitten stronger ;-) I put that one in for you, Michael. ;) Its as legacy as is UNIX. And has as wonderful a history and ethos. Does he want to document code? Here is where the choice becomes more difficult. noweb when teamed with LaTeX formats, cross references and indexes all your code chunks. I don't think DocBook does that as its more just like LaTeX - a markup language. (noweb could be rewritten to work with DocBook though, now that would be nice). DocBook is great for documenting code - Alan Cox has been working on a kernel documentation system with it for some time. However, the idea of combining noweb (which I've heard about here and there, and am very keen to hear your talk) and DocBook sounds intriguing. So we need to find out what Rodos wants to document (then can we have a DocBook/LaTeX flame war?). Sure. Rodos? Clarify please, Michael and I are up for a flame. ;) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- w: http://www.slug.org.au/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc." - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Tools for documentation.
Rodos, Out of the frypan... I'm just coming in from a flamewar on ldp-discuss about this very thing. What tools do people use to create documentation? DocBook! http://www.slug.org.au/docbook/ It's terse, but then there are much better resources available out there... I want to use something that is open, and will not cause version problems in 10 years time (will Word 2010 read Word6 documents?). You'll still be able to process SGML/XML in a thousand years time, if your media is still usable. ;) I had a quick look at DocBook and it scared me. Norman Walsh has released a simplified DocBook DTD that everyone's making a fuss over: http://www.nwalsh.com/docbook/simple/index.html Sure, DocBook has a lot of tags, but they're very expressive. If you want a paragraph, your tag is para. There are many very specific tags for things such as GUI description, code documentation, etc. You certainly don't need to learn them all, and it seems nwalsh's DTD is a good entry point. I do what something that can create very nice paper output as well as an online version. Can do. DSSSL exports to HTML (a bit of a hack), RTF, TeX, etc. Currently I am thinking LaTeX. At the risk of being flamed, I'd recommend you don't go with TeX because it could be seen to be `legacy technology'. Certainly, there's a brilliant mind and brilliant software behind it, but unless you're writing documentation with very stringent typographical requirements (ie. physics, maths, those sorts of things), you're walking into the past. Whilst TeX is very flexible and can be quite clean, it's a closer mix of content and layout. That's not so great when you suddenly have the urge to do outrageous database-like things with your documents. What do sluggers recommend? If you're writing technical documentation now, DocBook is the way to go. Flamers, come prepared! Oh, and a quick haiku I posted to ldp: SGML is confusing for some writers call it XML - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- w: http://www.slug.org.au/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc." - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Geek Haiku with jwz
Hi all, I just partook in a funny IRC episode with jwz and Raph... Someone will get some giggles out of this: http://www.slug.org.au/jwzhaiku.html jwz was talking about some firewall troubles he was having (he's going to run a video feed from the DNA Lounge), and the posterboy reference was from a previous conversation... I was in a haiku mood having just posted a bunch of them to ldp-discuss (and here, in response to Rodos' post). - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- w: http://www.slug.org.au/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc." - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Book Review: Linux Desktop Starter Kit
Morning all, Roger Caffin has written an excellent review of the Linux Desktop Starter Kit by John Lathrop. It's up on the website at: http://www.slug.org.au/review_ldsk.shtml Good Saturday morning reading for everyone! /me faceplants keyboard - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- w: http://www.slug.org.au/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc." - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Re: Foxtel or Optus cable? (fwd)
Some news for you Optus Cable users. Although probably NOT really what you (we) all wanted - everything :-)) I'm obviously not a lawyer... Couldn't they have just posted the diff? ;) Now I know that `offering network services' is a euphemism for running a server. I'll have to update my buzzword obfuscation dictionary... Thankfully, it appears that ssh is still allowable... - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- w: http://www.slug.org.au/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc." - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] SSI Includes on Virtual Servers
I do get my web pages, just minus their included data. No errors either. There's two config options, detailed in the mod_include documentation: AddType text/html .shtml AddHandler server-parsed .shtml I wouldn't be surprised if they were simply commented out in your .conf file (whatever your distribution may want to call it). - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- w: http://www.slug.org.au/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc." - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] inetd problem
It is not a network problem as I can't telnet or ftp from the same machine. Anything else I should check ? /etc/hosts.deny ? ipchains rules? (check with ipchains -L) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- w: http://www.slug.org.au/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc." - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] SSI Includes on Virtual Servers
Unfortunately, no. Those statements are in place OK (my main virtual server gets SSI OK). I Wonder if those statement's need to pointed in some way to each virtual server? Thwack 'em into your VirtualHost section... OH! I know - you have to have, Options Includes In there as well. That'll do it. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- w: http://www.slug.org.au/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc." - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Print postgreSQL row oid with PHP
I need to do an extremely simple thing, but I have not found any docs on this. All I want to do is print out the oid of the row I just SELECTed out of postgreSQL, using php. I know this doesn't solve your problem straight off, but have you seen phplib? I highly recommend it for database work with php. Make sure you come along next Friday to the PHP talk! :) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc." - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] GamesFest Registrations
Hi all, We moved the webpages over to the new server in the last couple of days, and I managed to completely bork the GamesFest registration page. It's fixed now, so please reigster if you're interested in coming. http://www.slug.org.au/gamesfest.shtml Apologies for ditzing that one up, - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc." - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] List Archives New Web Server
Also is any archive of this list searchable? I prob wouldnt have to ask the above question if it was :) if isn't a searchable archive I'm willing to create one if they arent too large. I have some disk space around the place... We haven't found any search software that fits the bill yet - although we're interested in Swish++ which was mentioned a while back. Now that we're running the website from our own server (yes! it's true!) we can do all of these crazy, wacky things. By now, just about everyone should be resolving to our new box for the website (noticed the speed?) - mailing lists are moving over soon. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc." - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] New Kernel Cousin: SLUG Pearls!
Afternoon all, Bit of an announcement... :) Thanks to everyone who have said great things about this wacky thing we call SLUG Pearls. I didn't think that Pearls was going to be that much of a hit, but it seems a lot of you have really enjoyed it. When it was first suggested on the list - I must thank Adam Kennedy for suggesting out loud what I thought was a crazy idea - I decided against beating around the bush and promptly emailed Zack Brown. We can probably attribute the blame for all of this to him anyway, because the idea behind Pearls was Kernel Traffic, his indispensible resource for anyone who can't handle the Linux kernel mailing list. Zack has been incredibly helpful in getting Pearls going, providing the scripts the KC team use, and lots of kind comments along the way... ... and then he had the rather strange idea of hosting SLUG Pearls along with the Kernel Cousins. So we said yes, of course! ;) Zack: "This is great! I never expected a LUG would want to write a Cousin, and when I heard you folks were doing one over in Sydney, I thought, 'well, that'll be interesting.' Then I read issue number one, and knew right away that SLUG Pearls was something very special and unexpected and new. I'm really happy that Jeff and the rest of the committee decided to have "SLUG Pearls" become "KC SLUG Pearls". Welcome!" So, by the end of the week, you should see KC SLUG Pearls up on Linuxcare's website, with our little SLUGger Tux and all. Looks like we've just turned the SLUG mailing list's volume to eleven! Thanks SLUGgers, - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc." - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: reiserFS (was: RE: [SLUG] Distributions)
A nice LVM on Linux would complete the picture though !!! Well, in *that* case, IBM are releasing their LVM stuff, and it looks hopeful that they'll work with the current project. :) Sadly, I don't have a link for you, but you can certainly find out about it on LWN. IBM SGI just keep on amazing me... - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc." - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] optus@home news server
can someone please post up the address of the optus@home news server? I was not given the address, and I have tried (under Netscape) news, news.optus.com.au and news.optushome.com.au, but was unsuccessful. I'm not sure you're asking the right people, Alex. I'm sure Optus support will be able to give you a quicker and more accurate answer than us. See, if we were the Sydney Optus User Group, we'd have an even wackier name than we do already. ;) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc." - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] SLUG Meeting - Friday, 30th June
SLUG Meeting - Friday, 30th June 2000 In addition to our usual antics, Conrad's Linux news (though Conrad will be looking suspiciously like Anand this month), and Jason's cool software review, we'll have: PHP4 Zend by Matt Allen Graeme Merrall Matt and Graeme will be covering the new features of PHP4, recently released to the delight of web tinkerers everywhere. They will also be giving us an overview of the technology beneath PHP4 (and new Open Source startup company), Zend. SLUG Religious Wars --- For the first Religious Wars event, we're covering possibly the most vitriolic debate of them all: Vi vs. Emacs. The topic, in the style of a formal debate (though we don't expect this debate will stay formal for very long) with affirmative and negative teams, is: "That vi is for newbies." A number of people have already taken positions, but there are places left on the teams. Please email me if you're interested. The debate will be fast and furious, with speakers having only two minutes to state their case. Linux Kernel NFS Support: Open Source / Open Development by Neil Brown "In this talk I will discuss some of my experiences in getting involved with development of "knfsd" - the Kernel based NFS server in Linux. As the people are as much a part of the process as the code, I will spend about half the time introducing you to some of the names in the Linux NFS world and talk about how the community works, and the remainder talking about some of the outstanding issues with knfsd, and approaches that might be needed to resolve them." - Neil - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] GamesFest!
Phew... It's crazy SLUG specials day today... I've just put up the GamesFest registration page (many apologies to Jason, who actually sent it to me days ago - I'm usually much quicker off the mark than that!) The GamesFest will be on July 8th, and we're hoping Jamie's daughter will be there to mop the floors with our hopelessly untuned `skillz'. Please register so you can lay claim to a network port. Linked at http://www.slug.org.au/ as always. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Terminal Fonts
I'm pretty sure terminal fonts suffer from the first rule of mail clients (read it at http://www.mutt.org/). I can't find one that's easy to read, is smallish so as not to get in the way, and has a reasonable amount of `white space'. Looking at Mandrake and Raster's choice of fonts just scares me. ;) I've tried schumacher clean, sgi clean, and the usual suspects that come with X... I find them all hard to read, but not because I'm blind, just because I'm picky (and spend a lot of my time doing publishing, graphics and design). The visual properites of my desktop: 1280x1024x32, 17" monitor. Does anyone have any favourites they'd like to recommend? - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Publicity Contacts for InstallFest 2000?
(Yes, that does mean that we're having an InstallFest in July!) August for SLUG Ahem. Yes. Nothing to see here... - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Publicity Contacts for InstallFest 2000?
Hi all, There's pretty cool event in it's planning stages at the moment: InstallFest 2000. The idea is that LUGs, University groups, schools, etc. all across the country will be holding InstallFests week after week, sort of like a roadshow, without the marketing and proprietary software. ;) There's a preliminary web page up at http://www.linux.org.au/installfest/ which currently shows LinuxSA and SLUG taking part (Yes, that does mean that we're having an InstallFest in July!) Other LUGs have shown interest too, so we're pretty sure it's going to go ahead. I'm interested in hearing if anyone has some good media contacts we can get on to. I wouldn't mind seeing this in the Sunday papers, if you know what I mean. ;) Comments, suggestions, flames, YYY, all welcome. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Mozilla M16 released.
What is the state of Mozilla? It rocks, has done since about M3. I was reading through the postings on slashdot and it seems the people are far from happy about the slowness of releases and features. Slashdot is a hive of flame and unpleasability (apologies to George Lucas). The Slashmob aren't goign to be pleased by much at all, so don't worry about them. Does anyone know when thew final release is due, Ive heard many people say 'when its ready', but its been in development for what seems like years now! Yes on both counts. It has been in development for ages, because there was a very big change of tac early on. Very, very risky, but very much worth it. Mozilla are no longer building a browser, they're building a new platform that runs on just about everything. This is Bill Gates worst nightmare come true: Netscape are finally putting the masking tape on the Windows, so to speak. I was under the impression the since netscape decided to release the source this was the first big test of the open source / bazaar type design paradigm. Hell no! It was the first big commercial support for open source development, but look around you at all the Free Software that's been around for years. Mozilla is a child of the revolution. How is Mozilla going to compare? It's pretty bloaty as it stands, but that's due to the amount of development code and mush that goes along with pre-alpha software. Gecko, the rendering engine, is tiny and ferociously fast. They're building the entire interface on top of that... But there's a hell of a lot that goes into a modern browser (never trust the fool who says `it's just a browser'). Any thoughts or further resources i could be looking at to find a few answers? http://www.mozilla.org/ http://www.mozillazine.org/ are good to start with! - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] SLUG Pearls #2
SLUG Pearls #2 is here! http://www.slug.org.au/pearls-2612.html - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] sendmail function - another question
i want to send one email to ~7000 ppl. should i consider a special delivery prog? Yes: cat /dev/null I was going to make a comment about ZDnet and copious amounts of email, but Del, you aced me... and blimey was it a good one. ;) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Generation Linux Report
There's a LinuxWorld report on Generation Linux, recently held in South Australia here: http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2000-06/lw-06-generation.html Warning: Mug shots of SLUG President within. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Opinions about the BEST supported video cards for X
I am in the process of swapping hardware and I need to get a new video card for the main machine so what's the best. I have a funny feeling most of you are going to say Martox G something or other Funny feeling justified. :) Grab yourself a G400 DualHead. You can always pick up an OEM version sans the crappy Windows throw-ins to save a hundred or so. Soon enough it will support DualHead in XFree4 (even though it's labotomised DualHead - don't bag it, it's all on one card, it's inexpensive, and it works fine). The 2D performace has always been good, and the 3D is rather yummy too. - Jeff (who's been a sucker for Matrox cards since 256 colours sounded like a hell of a lot) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Opinions about the BEST supported video cards for X
Grab yourself a G400 DualHead. Was kostet das? I have no idea what that means, but I just thought I'd add that you can pick one up for around $300-$320. That's OEM. See, learning German to impress a girl *can* come in handy! ;) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Problem with console
Jill Rowling wrote: Sad to say, if you blow up a PSU, chances are the rest of the machine is fsckd. Especially with the more modern voltage sensitive components like video chips, etc, Two Pentium and above class machines have died this way for me. My old 386 had its PSU swapped twice without a blink... Trust only your own power... Other things might die later if their transistors are mostly still intact but drawing more current than normal. Yep - you're better off pulling the important stuff out straight away (CPU, RAM, video card etc) and testing them in another machine. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] New Event: SLUG `Religious Wars'
Before there was Mutt vs. Pine... Before there was Debian vs. RedHat... Long before there was GNOME vs. KDE... There was a war that outfought all wars, a war which is still waged today. As bitterly as always, if not more so. A war with a name... They called it: VI vs. EMACS At this month's meeting, on the 30th of June, 2000, SLUG will be the newest battleground for this long, arduous war of attrition. Six knights will be selected to battle for the honor of their (text processing) weapons. Only three will be victorious, the other three will be somewhat annoyed. --- Okay, so that was fun. This will be the first of (hopefully) a series of debates covering those `touchier' arguments we all get into sometimes. Often called `religious wars' due to the fanaticism of their combatants, they've provided some of the best cruel geek quotes, competition for all the software involved, and countless Slashdot flamefests. Which is precisely why SLUG is coming in to fan the flames! ;) To pull this off, we're looking for six "thoroughly obsessed text processing gurus" - three in each camp - to contend. They'll take part in quick-fire two minute talks, which need to be: * fun and/or humorous * fact filled - we need a reason to love our text editors * scathing, and totally unfair to the other team * educational - this is war *and* advocacy at the same time * pushing either vi or Emacs. If you feel like arguing joe or pico, you'll have a very welcome audience in the naughty corner. The debate will take place after the usual break. A resident "Unbiased Guy With Bell" will make sure the talks don't exceed their two minutes. Combatants will *not* know their opposition. It's more fun that way. ;) --- If you are interested in being one of the six, please email me personally, and I will put you in touch with your fellow team members and explain the format more thoroughly. To battle! - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Hardware retailers supplying Linux preinatalled.
Hey there, Why do we want Linux preinstalled again? That's right... Newbies. Not neccessarily so When I purchased my Alpha I had RedHat preinstalled even though I intended to do a complete installation myself from scratch. Reason? To make sure that the hardware actually worked OK. In that particular case the SCSI card was delivered to the supplier with no BIOS. I would have had To sum up; there are good reasons to get a preinstall. For newbies and non-newbies. You're absolutely right... I guess the method I was promoting was more akin to the "Some Assembly Required" you see on toys. Whilst it could be made a very simple process, there's always a chance that a piece is missing. Heck, all the toys I ever played with required assembly - Lego was the only thing that kept my long term interest. :) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Re: [LINK] FC: Judge Jackson slams Microsoft: Break 'em up!
Ain't life grand! Absolutely, and they won't have RedHat to worry about, because the kernel is full of holes, isn't it Adam? - Jeff (who apologises for the cross-post) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Hardware retailers supplying Linux preinatalled.
Tony Cook wrote: Does anyone know of PC retailers in the Sydney area who are supplying PCs with Linux preinstalled? Why do we want Linux preinstalled again? That's right... Newbies. I don't really see preinstallation as a necessity for user-friendly computer purchases... Think about it this way: IBM sell their Aptiva boxes, both business and home versions, with a startup installation system. It asks a few questions, and (as one would expect) reboots. Compaq used to do the same thing (no idea these days). The way most distro CD's work these days, wouldn't that be a better solution? Throw in your CD, start the machine, get a few questions regarding your setup (probably targeted towards an initial installation), and there you are. Your *own* Linux, not someone's idea of what you'd like. It could be as simple as asking which desktop environment you were after. Once that's chosen, no debs, no rpms, just "What sort of stuff do you like to do with your computer?" Tasks. My computer does tasks, not applications. :P The detail comes *post* installation. There's only one company I know who've made the art of copying files to a hard drive such a complete shermozzle (apologies to Simon). From what Anand tells me, Debconf may just be this `holy grail' of simple QA configuration. Given that Debian already has brilliant `ask and thou shalt receive' application installation, I can see this being very cool. $0.02 I guess... - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Hardware retailers supplying Linux preinatalled.
DaZZa wrote: Personally, I'd want it to avoid the microsoft tax. Oh. See, I thought that was an assumed part of the conversation. ;) Like you, I generally end up reconfiguring anyway. My point though... Perhaps a futurist analogy is required: I purchase an android at the local "Target Harvey Norman" store. It doesn't come into my house and immediately start cleaning the floors, it asks me what *I'd* like it to do, which is much closer to a foot massage than having my floors cleaned. Why can't a distro do the same? When I bring a computer into my house, I don't want it to give me infotising channels on my desktop. :) Until MS gets bundled with motherboards and cases, I'm in the clear. Of course, you can always pick up a Linux CD that way! :) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Hardware retailers supplying Linux preinatalled.
Why can't a distro do the same? When I bring a computer into my house, I don't want it to give me infotising channels on my desktop. :) I'm yet to see a distro which does that. Which one are you talking about? Windows does it. I'm illustrating the fact that Windows/MS presumes to know what I want, and comparing this to the android who actually asked what his master wanted. I think it would be an unfortunate thing to see a Linux distro presume to know what I want, be I a guru, a newbie or a disinterested user. So yes, I generally avoid the M$ tax by building my own PC's. But not everyone is so lucky. But that's not really my point. You don't need to build a PC to not have an operating system installed on your machine, or rather, you shouldn't. My gripe is with the idea that *any* computer should come with an OS preinstalled on the hard drive with the settings of the distributor as defaults. Start your computer for the first time, and it asks you what you'd like, then does it. Newbies shouldn't have things going on behind their backs without their knowledge, as much as gurus shouldn't. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] SLUG Pearls #1
Anthony Rumble wrote: And wheres the slug-pearls mailing list?? You just posted to it! - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Dell + Notebook + Linux - Latest
Matt Allen wrote: Surely Dell is RECIEVING money from Microsloth to put its OS's onto their Lappies, if not then wont it save them $$ by not doing it? They cant say that they dont have naked HDD's because they sent me one when mine broke ... Nah, MS work slightly differently to that - they're not going to just hand out money to anyone for installing Windows (Terry, you got any offers lately?) They've got a much bigger bargaining tool: Windows itself. Can you imagine what would happen if Gateway couldn't sell computers with Windows? Now you know why they're so shitscared. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] How about a daily faq posting?
Rodos wrote: Now that we have the Slug Pearls? What do people think about a daily FAQ posting. Below is one I get for Perl. Bascially each day there is a FAQ and answer. Its quick to delete and quite often you get a reminder or learn something more about a forgotten feature (eg cut). More interactivity please. :) Something like a FAQ-O-Matic email gateway would be interesting. You can post FAQ QA's to an address and it keeps them in its database for web and email viewing. I would suggest (for the sanity of the list host) that daily is way too much duplication. I think a more sane value would be every week or two weeks? Once we're on our own host, sanity won't be a necessary feature for ideas. I think this would be a great idea for another list - slug-faqs or something. Rodos, keep it in mind, and we'll have a go at it in July. , Kieran Haughey| "Oook!" - The Librarian, , ([EMAIL PROTECTED])| (Unseen University Ankh-Morpok), You know, some people even quote Einstein in their sigs... ;) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] SLUG FAQ #0: Using Mutt and Pine with Netscape (request for comments)
(what does everyone think of this sort of thing? once a week to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], or a special list just for these?)
SLUG FAQ #0: Using Mutt and Pine with Netscape
Q: I really like using Mutt or Pine as my primary email software, but when I
click on a mailto link in Netscape, up comes Messenger, which is a
steaming pile of poo. Can I use my usual program to send mail when I
click mailto links in Netscape? How?
A: Gosh, that sounds suspiciously like `integration'!
It can be done, and it's pretty funky when it works. `muttzilla' is the
aptly-named mail handling library, built to take advantage of Netscape's
alternative mail and news reader API. It have been expanded from simple
mutt support to handle just about anything you throw at it.
Part 1: Downloading
You can find the tarball at: http://www3.telus.net/brian_winters/mutt/
The latest version as of this FAQ is 0.40.
Save this to an appropriate place, perhaps ~/src, and type:
tar -xzvf muttzilla-0.40.tar.gz
This will expand the tarball into its own directory.
If you use Debian you can always `apt-get install muttzilla' and skip to
part 4.
Part 2: Compiling the muttzilla Library
Now we need to compile it. You'll need a standard set of development
tools to complete this section. Please refer to your distribution's
documentation if these are not already installed.
Change to the newly created muttzilla directory and type make:
cd muttzilla-0.40
make
This will compile the library. You should see a `muttzilla.so' in the
directory when you type ls.
Part 3: Installing the muttzilla Library
To install muttzilla so any user on your system can choose to use it, you
will need root access. Either su to root, or use the sudo utility and
type:
make install
This will copy the library and config file, plus set their permissions
properly.
If you don't have root access to the machine you're using, or you'd like
to install muttzilla for your personal use only, type:
mkdir ~/lib
cp muttzilla.so ~/lib
cp muttzilla.conf ~/.muttzillarc
You need not change anything to use mutt as your mailer. If you wish to
use something else, like Pine, please read the documentation and the
muttzilla config files.
Part 4: Making Netscape Comply
First off, quit Netscape.
Open ~/.netscape/preferences.js with your favourite editor and add the
following lines:
user_pref("mail.use_altmail", true);
user_pref("mail.altmail_dll", "/usr/local/lib/muttzilla.so");
If you installed muttzilla for personal use, you need to modify the
reference to muttzilla.so to point to the one installed in your ~/lib
directory. Commonly, this would be: "/home/USERNAME/lib/muttzilla.so"
If you installed muttzilla under Debian, you'll need to use
"/usr/lib/muttzulla.so".
Now, restart Netscape and email someone by clicking on their mailto
link... preferably me! :)
muttzilla also allows you to use an alternative news reader, further
releasing you from those Netscape shackles. Have fun!
- Jeff
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Re: [SLUG] Deai-press
Guys, If you *really* feel the need to reply to SPAM, *please* do not include the contents in your reply. Now three messages have been posted to this *large* list that are wholly unreadable. It's a pain that we get them, but it's really only been once a fortnight, so it's nothing special. As Anthony Rumble says, 99.9% gets filtered out as it is, and I for one would hate to see his owner's box (says he, planning the mailing list software on the new server...) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Re: Suggestions for SLUG server
Grant Parnell wrote: How about the ASK SLUG bot. I wonder if it could automatically scan the slug archives for the most relevant answer to a given question. Sounds suspiciously like a few of the IRC bots I've seen around (I've only recently started using IRC, so maybe someone else has some cool examples). The one I like is Tux on jordan.openprojects.net's #linuxaus. You can ask it about files and packages in Debian, and it remembers things its `masters' tell it, jdub Tux, Grant Parnell? tux I heard he had some crazy idea about helper robots for SLUG. The requester could then rank the answers according to which was most helpful. This would be a web based thing and it might just reduce the amount of repeat questions we get on the list. Hahahaha... Reduce repeat questions? Not likely... ;) Actually, that's a silly assumption. Do you think people come through our website and find out about the list, or the other way around? EG a question like "How do I get PPP working" might be distilled down to "How PPP" and this could be looked up in an index to see if it's been answered, and relevant messages could be returned subject to ranking. This is an interesting idea, and something which I think would fit in with Jeffrey Borgs idea for (warning: twisted interpretation) for a web based mailing list answers directory. That thread has given me so many ideas for web based helper applications. I'll let you guys know if I start on anything... :) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Rescue Disks [WAS: Thanks and next]
Richard Blackburn wrote: Back when I used another OS, I had a Norton Utilities program that was a rescue package using both a floppy and a zip disk. Needless to say, it came in handy. I don't believe there is anything like that for Linux, but if I was to fill a zip with 100Mb of the most important stuff, what would be the best candidates. There is *always* something for Linux! First off, try out tomsrtbt (Toms Root Boot), which is a single floppy distro of Linux with heaps (I mean *heaps*) of very useful utilities. http://www.toms.net/rb/ Second in the ranks (and only because it's based on tomsrtbt) is the Linuxcare bootable business card. It's a mini-cd with 40MB of Linux goodness ready to fix anything you throw at it. It's saved me numerous times with Linux boxes, NT machines, and even a Netware machine (ugh!). http://linuxcare.com/bootable_cd/ If you come to the next SLUG meeting, I have a spare one I can give you. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] SLUG Pearls #1
Rodos wrote: Have to agree with that, great job! :) Is it possible to get a mail to the slug list when it is updated. If I have to keep going and looking when it is updated I never will. I usually post to the list when I update the webpage... Uh, yes, that means it isn't updated all that often. Send me more stuff to put up! Try and write that with cut! I'm sure Herbert could whip something up for us. ;) - Jeff BTW. I had to laugh when I read the LinuxWorld article: "an Optus@Home user who asked to be referred to as `Rodos'" :) Hey! There's only one Rodos! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] slug.org.au
Adam Kennedy wrote: http://www.slug.org.au goes to the page http://slug.org.au goes to a hunterlink default page? How odd Just badly aliased, it happens on virtual served domains a lot. Try going to just about any site sans the www on big virtuals like WebCentral and you'll see what I mean. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] e-smith
Kevin Waterson wrote: Is there a homepage for e-smith? Is there an iso available? e-smith.com e-smith.org (developer's site) e-smith.net and yes, there is a nice low-bloat ISO available for download. From memory, there's also a mirror on mirror.aarnet.edu.au - Jeff (who thinks e-smith is the bomb for scared little PHB guys) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] So don't use it! :) [WAS: Telnet from the Borg]
Sonam Chauhan wrote: I've seen Microsoft show telnet hang-in-there(TM) behavior when told to disconnect from a Unix server. Once it showed (flashed) parts of a earlier, supposedly disconnected, session when I started a new session in the Telnet application. Never seen that happen, but I think we can all agree that Telnet.exe is a very, well, silly piece of software (if anyone can confirm that the Telnet in Win2K is BSD derived, I'd be interested to hear it). If you want something cool to use for all your "Damn, I wish I had a real command line" moments, try PuTTY. It does ssh too. The interface is wonky (to put it nicely), but it works brilliantly, and it fits on a floppy, so you don't have to leave home without it. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Procmail: Errors for Dupes and Why the Maildirs?
Hey all,
Guess who's playing with their .procmailrc? ;)
I have two things bugging me ATM. The first is the following message
that pops up when I run 'mailstat' on my procmail log:
Total Average Number Folder
- --- -- --
0 0 1 ## procmail: Extraneous locallockfile ignored
36173617 1 Inbox
37523752 1 Lists/docbook
- --- --
73692456 3
It always happens when I receive dupe emails.
The second is that whenever I receive email from lists that conform to
the RFC* rule that Anand mentioned that don't already have a mbox
file, procmail builds a Maildir for them (cur/new/tmp). I haven't found
any mention of changing mailbox format preferences thus far...
Here are the relevant parts of my .procmailrc file:
---
PATH=/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/sbin
MAILDIR=$HOME/mail
LOGFILE=$HOME/.procmail/log
LOGABSTRACT=all
LINEBUF=4096
FORMAIL=/usr/bin/formail
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Any ideas?
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Re: [SLUG] Solutions time! [was] best-of-slug
While the pearls analogy holds fairly well, I reckon slug pellets might be a better name :-) Oh, thou art cruel! Well, SLUG Pellets has got approval in the labs here, although I kinda liked SLUG Pearls as it harks back to the column and book, Programming Pearls. How about SLUG Trails? SLUG Entrails? ;) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Solutions time! [was] best-of-slug
On Tue, May 30, 2000 at 11:21:55PM +1000, Sonam Chauhan wrote: I think simply threading the SLUG archives and providing a search engine interface to it will be extremely useful. A similar slug-FAQ or slug-pearls setup for summary postings would be wonderful. Sonam, http://www.progsoc.uts.edu.au/lists/slug/current/ and click '[thread]' for 'threaded SLUG archive love'. Now, a search engine? Show me a good, flexible, free software search engine (challenge open to everybody) that conforms to the requirements listed on http://www.debian.org/search and I'll show you a great big RMS-style bearhug. The FAQ is something that's been wanting for ages. Let's automate it with something like FAQ-O-Matic (only with an interface that doesn't make you run for the nearest CDE machine in the office), and have it run on the new server. Proposals welcome. slug-pearls? I *really* like that name, and, just because I'm a sucker with no respect for my time, I'm going to use it. Stay tuned this Sunday for the first issue of SLUG Pearls, coming to a slug.org.au near you. Hopefully, if everyone's response to mine is good, someone will be inspired to say "HEY! I feel like one of those, where can I get one?" You heard it here first. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Procmail My Addiction to Mailing Lists
Hey all,
In amongst all this mailing list navel-gazing, I've just gone The Procmail Way.
I remembered that Anand mentioned a 'panacea' for mailing-list overload a
while back, so I peeked though the archives and found it:
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LISTID=$MATCH
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Lists/$MATCH
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Only, for most of my lists, including SLUG, it doesn't work! Everything
falls through into my normal box. Is this just a problem for old lists, or have I
buggered it up?
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Re: [SLUG] mbox archive of this week's list needed
On Wed, May 31, 2000, Terry Collins wrote:
Try http://www.woa.com.au/lists/slug/2000/24/24
{:-^) but it is 3.7Mb and I'm only on a 28.8 link.
Thanks Terry, if you can tell me the best time to download it so it won't get
in your way, I'll leave it until then.
If anyone else has one, that would be cool too.
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Re: [SLUG] Solutions time! [was] best-of-slug
Howdy, which reminds me: is that a useful look for everyone? It could probably be improved to show threads on a daily basis too (like the gcc list, http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2000-05/). That would be heaps cooler, certainly much easier to navigate. [ I sent Jeff a list of Faq-o-matic workalikes a week or so ago in private email ] Oh, I guess from that statement none of the others looked halfway reasonable? This opinion based only on use of FAQ-O-Matic(tm)! I'll have to go through that list... - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Re: Procmail My Addiction to Mailing Lists
[Aside] Your reply-to or from is busted - my reply just tried to mail "jdub" instead of "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" - FIX THIS! Eeek! My bad. Fixed as rquested. :) (No, I'm not using procmail.) So that's 5 different To: patterns and two Sender: patterns. Yeah, I'd prefer to automate it a bit more... I got an email from Robert at Netizen, which contained a very cool one. The best way of doing it seems to rely more on the mailing list software's standards than of the RFC Anand mentioned. What's that quote? "The best thing about standards is that there's so many to choose from"? :) - Jeff PS. American Root Beer flavoured Jolt tastes like something a Dentist would administer. Why is it that American foods are so processed and gross (case in point, Hersheys and Oreos)? Why is it that we want to loosen our food standards? Imagine parallel importing of Pizza Hut! Sorry, offtopic rant. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] mailform.cgi needs a little security
What I thought was to create a form which when submitted would email the subscriber a $$ number and writes this to a subscriber.$$ file with the email address in it. When the user receives the email, they reply to acknowledge the subscription, either added or removed. Can I make it easier for you? :) Write up an extra removal confirmation section, be it in this CGI or another, that takes the passcode. Workflow like this: WWW | +-- Subscribe -- add to list | +-- Unsubscribe -- send passcode via email, remember it in DB, | redirect to 'enter your confirmation passcode' page | +-- Confirmation page (passcode okay?) -- remove from list That way you don't have to fiddle around with email gateways, etc., and the user can stay on the confirmation page while they wait for the email. Done it myself, and seen it all over the place with web-based subscription forms too. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] mailform.cgi needs a little security
I was thinking more of a page which has the users details, an Option box for "Add" and one for "Remove" , a text box for the code. From a UI perspective, it may be nicer to have separate add and remove pages... Just makes it easier to understand. :) Sounds great but I'm not crash hot in perl... like I said, have the theory but not the code, just partial Two things: a) It's been done, so you could find code that's already out there (reuse is good!) b) I'm going to get flamed to Hades and back for this, but... I find that PHP is much better for this sort of stuff than Perl. Perl has its uses, but for webby stuff that's not hardcore text processing, why bother? Ask Matt about his PHP users group and email list... Actually, I'll do it myself. Matt, you got a site and list for your users group? - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Call for new list best-of-slug ?
On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 10:53:43AM +1000, Anthony Rumble wrote: Does anyone feel it's time for a best-of-slug list? I'm missing important posts to the list, because of the signal to noise. Signal to noise is becoming a problem, but most `let's make another list!' ideas don't get anyone behind them. The argument being that there'll be problems and annoyances whichever way we do it. Anyone else feel the same way? Who would volunteer to be the sacrificial lamb/s to do the moderating? Or more importantly, who could be bothered to post to it? Do I have to remember to consider whether my post is brilliant every time, or should I forward good posts when I see them? As much as I'd like to see the list being split nicely, the detractors have a point. Until someone comes up with a silver bullet, I don't think anyone's going to agree to a change. - Jeff -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Call for new list best-of-slug ?
On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 12:04:57PM +1000, Adam Kennedy wrote: Or something perhaps like the kernel summary page that slashdot links to occasionally? This was mentioned on Friday night... I love the Kernel Cousins, so I'd be only too happy to help out with the website side of things. Then best-of-slug could be a digest-like summary, for people who don't want to read the webpage? Volunteers will be warmly accepted. :) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Call for new list best-of-slug ?
/me raises his hand and offers his help. Thanks Matt, (more detailed personal reply sent too) We're working on the dynamic site and server at the moment, but there a few bureaucratic annoyances in the way of getting it going. Once again, this is going to be the SLUG powerhouse, doing all our email and web stuff in one place. If *anyone* has any input, ideas, etc., for the server and what we can do with it, including email lists, and funky things for the website, email me... I want to know! :) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Re: Squeezing wine from a grep
for f in /var/log/messages*; do fgrep CONNECT $f break; done \ | tail -1 | sed 's/^/ /' the sed is just so you still get your precious indent ;) :P Now *that's* fast! Thanks Gus, - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] HTML refresh
How do I tell the browser/proxy that I don't want this page cached? This situation is slightly different to Mike's, as I understand it, because his HTML does not change, only the image being displayed. In my case, the HTML is completely different, and I want it all to reload. Just use the pragma no-cache header in the example given before... Or just throw in the meta tag: meta http-equiv="pragma" content="no-cache" Oh, and just to trash IE 3 and 4 for a moment... The way it works out what to cache is borked, so unless you include an extra head tag and the no-cache meta *after* the entire body section, it will still cache it! Wacky. ;) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] HTML refresh
Just tried that. I think this is correct. Still the same problem. Gif does not want to update. Sorry, that was in response to Matthew's simpler page caching question... :) From memory, you can apply the same headers to images that you can pages, so it would simply* be a matter of adding the same header to the image. * Of course, I haven't had the need to do it, so I'm not sure how 'simply'. Hey - if online advertisers can add cookies to their images, surely it can't be too hard to do it! :) Perhaps someone else can provide further insight - I'd love to hear it too. Your other option is to generate a random temporary filename on each page - seeing that you're doing it in Perl, that wouldn't be so hard... Using Netscrape. The latest Mozilla nightlies have been good... Nice and quick scrolling, which has been an annoyance in X for a while. Lots of new speedups added and debugging code killed. Yum. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] HTML refresh
print $q-header(-type='text/html', -expires='+30s', -pragma='no-cache', -cache-control='no-cache'); Just tried this with my app. That bloody old gif is still not updated. Also tried 0 seconds (-expires='0'). That's the same as setting the meta tag, so you shouldn't expect it to... Maybe there is some other rason why its not updated? See if anyone has any ideas on the headers-for-images thing, otherwise you might just have to hack in some temp filenames for the time being. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Squeezing wine from a grep
whats wrong with:
fgrep Connect: /var/log/messages* | tail -1
- 8 - snip - 8 -
so what do you gain by using tac ?
Well, I wanted the very latest occurance of a ppp connect, and due to the
layout of log-rotated messages files, I had to use cat.
The above fgrep wouldn't return the most recent occurance, it would return
an (unreliable) *last* known occurance. Unreliable because of the
log-rotated filenames and appended logs, as demonstrated here...
A normal "cat /var/log/messages*" looks like this:
fairly recent \
||+ /var/log/messages
\/|
most recent /
fairly old\
||+ /var/log/messages.1
\/|
fairly recent /
old \
||+ /var/log/messages.2
\/|
fairly old /
rolling stones \
||+ /var/log/messages.3
\/|
old/
Which is not the best direction to have to find the most recent given event.
By taccing the files (tac /var/log/messages*), I got something more like
this:
most recent /var/log/messages
fairly recent
fairly old /var/log/messages..
old
rolling stones /var/log/messages...
Which is much closer to the direction I want to search in. Then, all that's
left to do is find the first occurance of the string (fgrep Connect:) and
return the first of that list (head -1).
Anyway, the resultant script was this:
--- [pppinfo] ---
#!/bin/sh
tac /var/log/messages* | awk '/CONNECT/ { print(" ",$0); }' | head -n 1
pppstats $* | awk '/[0-9]/ { printf(" IN:\t%5.3f Mb\n OUT:\t%5.3f Mb
\n\n",$1/1024000,$7/1024000) }'
---
(I've separated the lines to make it easier to read - the pppstats line will
get cut off at 76 characters, so make sure you put it in it correctly)
If you pass it "-w integer", it will report every integer seconds,
telling you the amount of traffic that has passed through. Check man
pppstats for the real details, you can pass as many pppstats arguments as
you want. Without the -w parameter, it will just tell you your total
throughput for that ppp session.
Just in case anyone's interested. :)
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Re: [SLUG] Linux database
Other things would be nice like to be able to export to a standard db file to interrogated by windoze Access, if possible! (At the clinic) I really like PostgreSQL myself, it doesn't come with an Access-like GUI by default but you can certainly find a few, both web based and for X. Personally, I kinda like SQL on the console. :) I guess it depends on your definition of simple, but SQL is really easy to learn, the docs are fairly well written, and there's plenty of material on the web. You can also use it *from* Access by connecting to it via ODBC, which is pretty cool if you're needing a simple interface. Plus, it makes importing the data into Access a breeze - you just tell it to! The good things about PostgreSQL is that you can start off simple and crank up the complexity as you learn. If by chance you're using RedHat 6.2, there are RPMs ready to roll on the CD, and you can always "apt-get install postgresql" in Debian. Keep my email address if you want someone to quiz over the holidays. :) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Re: Spam SLUG NG
Isn't it time we filtered out every mail from Japan? This is so easy as the headers contain the following: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Anything with this content encoding is guaranteed to be spam. Eric, We don't have immediate access to the configuration of our mailing list at the moment, but I'll certainly keep this in mind for SLUG_NG, when we'll be able to do *anything*. ;) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Re: Spam SLUG NG
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Anything with this content encoding is guaranteed to be spam. I've been asked to clarify this, so I'll post to the list. There was a similar suggestion regarding the unreadable SPAM a while ago, hoping .jp could be blocked. The committee has agreed that blocking individual posters and domains would be an absolute no-no, so this simply wouldn't happen. Erik's suggestion of blocking unreadable *encoding* seems to be a good one. It's certainly a good resolution keep it in mind should the SPAM level increase (is it really justified at this point?) A polite "please use latin encoding" auto-reply would make this a kinder block as well. The committee would have to agree on it, and I personally would like to see a positive response from SLUGgers before we make any major changes such as this. Of course, there's always procmail: http://www.woa.com.au/linux/how-tos/sortingmail.html http://www.ii.com/internet/robots/procmail/qs/ - Jeff (I also managed to spell Erik with a 'c', which I apologise profusely for!) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Web Kiosk
What I need, then, is for an automatic login of this magic user when the system comes up. Yes, I am aware that this is eery insecure. If anyone has any ideas on that, or other methods of doing this, they'd be greatly appreciated. James, If you haven't already found it, have a read of the Kiosk HOWTO on LDP: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Kiosk-HOWTO.html From memory, it doesn't solve your user login problem, but it's a good guide nonetheless. I did a similar thing in a cybercafé I admin, but the machine was turned off every night and logged in the next morning. ...then the PHB's brother (old school networking type) realised it was running Linux and kicked up a fuss. Lucky for me the PHB said, "But that's our most reliable machine!" Of course, the hard drive had to die then didn't it? - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://advogato.org/person/jdub/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
