Re: [RCSE] First Sailplane
Hey Jack!, West Carrollton High School was my main flying field in the 70's... and my high school '79-'81. I spent many days soaring there. My first RC sailplane was an Airtronics Square Soar. I also flew an original 100 sailplane and an Airtronics Questor there, as well as some powered stuff like a Model Builder Dragonfly. Do you remember any of the other guys who flew there? Everett Wick with his Pokey and Viking? His buddy Rich (Schafer?)... That was a great site - huge. I had my first hour flight there. Now covered with... you guessed it, sports fields. Andy Page Seattle --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jack Iafret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, what got me hooked was a Graupner Cirrus when I lived in the Dayton Ohio (mid 70's) area and belonged to the W.O.R.K.S. club (strictly power). One other guy (forgot the name know but he drove a comptition Vette) and I went to the West Carrolton High School and used his high start to launch. After about five launches and coming down to land the plane just circled for ten laps at 20 feet without loosing altitude and I without knowledge hooked my first thermal and rode it out for what seemed like an hour (probably five minutes). That was it for me, but it took awhile to commit. Really never got serious until I came to Michigan and started flying sailplanes with the Paragon in '84. Met a bunch of people that flew sailplanes rather than power and that was it for greasy kids stuff. So, first plane was the Cirrus and the favorite is the Paragon. Remember, Paragon's Forever. Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] RCSE RX Help: need opinions/expertise
Thanks Bill, Sorry I didn't mention that. I've actually flew the plane and did some extensive range checks before. Not a proximity effect in this case and range was fine. I've since removed the rx in preparation to send it in to FMA. I also was able to swap crystals (same channel though) with the same result. Merrell How close are you to the plane/Rx with the Tx? I've seen exactly the same thing if the Tx and the Rx are too close, i.e. a few feet, but it stops if the Tx moves away. Anything over 10 feet and it should be dead solid. Just a thought. Bill At 11:14 AM 12/1/2004, you wrote: I've experienced the same with my first M5 purchased last winter. Using M5 with HS85MG servos. It is Futaba shift and I'veI tried different transmitters including Eclipse synth, Evo synth, and older Futaba crystal. Same result. The jitter (very slight but consistent) occurs all the time regardless of environment. However, turn the transmitter off and it stops. Shop, slope, outside, inside. I tried different battery packs with no change. I tried different antenae configuration. I'm going to closely check the antanae wiring later.
Re: [RCSE] counter rotating prop ?
Why bother? Just run both motors same direction and use the same type props. You won't notice the difference. I've done side by side pushers on Zagi's, also front, back pusher puller configs. Lots of power, but sucks batteries fast (unless your using LiPos). -- Tom Rust Nanochip Inc 48041 Fremont Blvd Fremont, CA 94538 (510) 770-2507 (510) 339-6263 (510) 339-9636 FAX (510) 912-4662 cell http://www.nanochip.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Re: [RCSE]First and Favorite Plane(s) (LONG)
I say 'Plane(s)' because I have only been at this racket since August of 2003. okay not true: Back in 1977 I was stationed at Castle AFB with the F-106 / T-33 squadron there, and my friend from Modesto Danny Norton got me to try R/C gliders. So I *think* I built in the barracks a Wanderer. I honestly don't recall exactly what it was but I think it was two meter. I flew it on a slope and once in a contest. I wish I knew if it was Visalia but I again I don't remember. All I recall was Danny, myself, and a thin guy in a pith helmet named 'Roger', flew there. After I left for F-111s in England I lost contact with Danny. Don't know what happen to him. Or Rogers last name... or the plane, or the radio... etc. Fast forward to August 2003: First was a DAW TG-3. Still have it. To this day I am haunted by my inability to turn it in a thermal without dropping a wing tip really really fast and falling 10's of meters in the process. :D Yes I have washout in it... gotta be something else... dunno what. Anyway it's a good sloper like all foamies! And it looks impressive at the LSS slope site amongst all those smaller planes! I wish I had bought a 1-26 or KA-6 when I had the chance... Next was an Easy Answer. A Global Hobbies 'price point' ship loosely based (I think) on Blaine Rawdon's Mirage. (If I got the history of the ship correct.) I know the guy that knows the guy (grin) that penned the plans for it. Anyway I flew that for 5 months. Never broke nuttin'. Really served it's purpose as I learned to 'launch, fly, and land' with it. Even winched it and competed once or twice in novice/sportsman class with it. Just R/E. No 'S'. :D Great plane, really. Pretty strong. I built it stock and was pretty aggressive on the end of the winch. Memorial day weekend 2004 I was too aggressive. I folded the wing at the dihedral brace IIRC. I was right over the winch turnaround when it folded. Another lesson learned. Thinking I was only a few weeks away from having a 2 meter Gnome RES ship ready to fly, I gave the peices, minus the radio, to a guy that said he could rebuild it and use it to teach. I gather many people dislike the straight center panel designs, but I am looking forward to building my Mirage as I liked flying the Easy Answer. And the fact I built it with me own two paws made it that much more enjoyable. BTW: It would be more like 3 months before the Gnome (and therefore I) flew. :( So my favorite so far is my current 2 meter Gnome. Am I lying when I say these old build up brick 'poop-houses' of a sailplane can be winched -almost- like a molded ship? Pedal to the ground? A friend at last weekend's SWSA fun fly did just that. Just had me throw it and he kept the pedal down for almost the entire launch. :D Only mod I made was to build the spar like the darkstar spar is built outside of the plane and drop it in. I used 007 carbon top and bottom captured in the spar. Almost not worth using, but I did not know that then. Others build them stock and winch the heck out of them too. It seems to fly wonderfully, seems to have good legs for a woodie, seems to slow down nicely for landing, and seems to circle in thermals with almost no bad habits. LOL! Truely a joy to fly. And the fact that I built it with me own two paws makes it that much more enjoyable. :D But the best is yet to come. See I've flown a 3 meter Gnome a few times and a Paragon. The big Gnome has all the qualities of the 2 meter, plus seems to fly smoother and thermal as well if not better than the 2 meter. And it winches like a molded plane. And I have a kit! :D And I am working on a Gambler+ built up 2 channel DLG. Speak of to come... (Purchased) California Sailplanes F-20 Houston Hawk Mirage short kit 3 meter Gnome Recent Dynaflite BOT kit Old CraftAire Winddrifter 99 Kit Old Marks Models Windfree Kit Old Marks Models Wanderer 72 kit Old Gentle Lady Kit Spirt 100 Too bad we don't really have a 'building season'... Best wishes, = --- Jeffrey D. Gortatowsky La Habra Heights, California Madam, there's no such thing as a tough child -- if you parboil them first for seven hours, they always come out tender. - W.C. Fields What wretched scoundrel stole the cork from my lunch? - W.C. Fields RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Drela foils == marketing gimmick now?
-Original Message- From: Stuart A. Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you check out the various ads and articles in Model Aviation and on the Web you will notice how many of them refer to Drela airfols. If the writer of the ads and articles didn't say what the airfoil was then almost everyone reading the ad or article would be left wondering what the airfoil was. There really is no mystery here. The airfoil is almost the first thing that anybody wants to know about a plane. If this information were not supplied in the ad or article then someone would be spending a lot of time answering individual emails or phone calls to answer that question. It is true that the Bubble Dancer, Allegro and other assorted planes fly quite nicely, but I wonder how much of the airfoil choice is just a marketing gimmick. The manufacturer of a new plane will use whatever airfoil he/she thinks will do the best job on the airplane he is building. A very great many modelers have come to believe that Drela airfoils are the best airfoils available. Why would they not choose those airfoils for their models? A marketing gimmick would involve advertising something to your customers that sounds really good but is in fact inferior but easier/less expensive to produce. Drela airfoils are the opposite of that. They are widely held by the modeling public as the best performing airfoils. They are also known by model manufacturers to be far more difficult and expensive to produce. This due to their thinness which requires more expensive materials and more labor to build. One extra swipe of the sandpaper by our Czech worker-bee has turned that Drela foiled AVA/Topaz/whatever into some other airfoil. There are inaccuracies involved in the production of any airfoil. This is true no matter what airfoil is chosen or which building method is used. Why not choose the best airfoil available and do your best to make it as accurate as you can? Particularly on these amazing built up RES ships with mylar covering, I wonder how much of the performance is due to the airfoil and how much is due to very light balsa/composite building techniques. Dr Drela designs his airfoils for each specific application. In the case of a film covered wing, The wing/airfoil is designed such that all areas which are to be film covered will have flat facets rather than a curved airfoil shape. Since the airfoil was designed with this in mind, very little performance is sacrificed compared to just using a locally curved airfoil and letting the film covering sag between the ribs. Does Dr. Drela get a royalty for the use of his name in advertising? Did/does Dr. Selig? I sincerely doubt that this ever happens. Dr Drela freely publishes all of his airfoils and model plans and spends many hours at the computer instructing people on many topics. Every detail of his model plans have been discussed in public forums. Dr. Drela freely discusses the smallest detail of construction. He also freely shares his remarkable aerodynamic knowledge in a number of different groups. To even suggest a profit motive for all of Dr Drela's contributions to this hobby is way off base. Phil RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Taking AVA/Graphites...for granted?
Hi Guys, The recent post about euro worker bees was timely. A simple way to stop them from copying our brain trust is to lose them. IF you haven't been paying attention to the news, the Ukraine is in serious, nay mega serious turmoil right now. While Vladimir and friends can likely work through the sounds of bullets and bombs, getting the product from those dank sweat shop factories (their houses work benches) is likely gonna come to a huge halt ...shortly. Barry Kennedy spoke to Vladimir recently and he says things are okay for right now but the population is at riot level and have made a run on the banking system to try to protect what money they have there. That's not a good thing. Since trucking is a nationalize kind of thing, likely some sort of union too, waiting to decide on a new moldie could end up meaning waiting for the box to find a truck there. this has been a public service hint. "Wait and Wail".get your planes ordered quick. I got mine :) Gordy
[RCSE] NIB Airtronics 94141 servos for sale
I have a pair of NIB Airtronics 94141 servos for sale for $75.00, shipped to your door in the US or Canada. If interested, please contact me via the email address below. Ted [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Home made shipping boxes.
I've had really good luck getting large sheets of cardboard from the back of furniture stores. I'd just use my long straight edge and a screwdriver to score and bend the cardboard into box shapes. Lately, I've found another source for ready made boxes. It's a store that sells vertical blinds. The boxes are longer than what is needed to ship open class planes. The width and thickness are perfect and they are very sturdy cardboard. At one time I looked into buying boxes, but in order to get a good deal, I'd have to buy in bulk and I don't ship enough airplanes to justify that. I hope this information helps. Mike RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] FS: NYX (carbon skin version)
Beautiful NYX w/carbon skin and heavy spar. Kevlar/carbon fuse. All JR digital servos (DS3421 on stab and DS368 everywhere else) and 2000 MAh four-cell NiMH pack. Meticulous gear install. 80 oz RTF and also includes complete ballast set w/spacers. Very well cared for and never abused. Yellow top, blue bottom with blue/red points on wing/stab. Add your RX and fly. $1,375 shipped anywhere in ConUS. Selling to fund another project. Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Inexpensive Hotliner?
I know I wouild like to see more traffic for hotliners in this list. There are a lot of good options. But here are some questions... 1. What's your budget? 2. What type of flying are you going to do, all aerobatics, all thermalling or a mixture? 3. What type of batteries are you going to be using? 4. What type of area will you be flying in? answer these questions and I can give you a more specific answer... On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:04:33 -0500, Jim Prouty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, My apologies in advance if I'm posting this to the wrong list. Does anyone have any suggestions for a low-to-mid priced hotliner? I'm looking for something that's easy to transport so I can take a plane with me when I go on the road testing UAVs and there's no slope or thermal fields nearby. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Happy flying, Jim RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. -- Jay Hunter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] All flying vertical stab...
What are the issues with an all flying vertical stab? I'm building the new tail for my solar plane and I'm thinking I'll make a Drela style carbon V mount for the vstab. In trying to make everything light and survivable It looks like I can make an all flying vertical stab lighter than a normal rudder. My Thoughts: I can build a one piece foil lighter than a two piece foil even with a tape hinge. The Plane is Rudder Elevator and has heavy wings thus I don't really want much adverse roll from the rudder. This makes me want to build a vertical stab that is both above and below the boom. To survive landing/ground contact the part below the boom has to be heavy/sturdy. If I make the vstab all flying then I can make it pivot around a single bolt on the all flying mount, thus it piviots out of the way rather than absorbing landing loads. Does this make sense or am I way off base for some reason I don't understand? Any airfoil suggestions? (Currently looking at a thickened HT08 Paul RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Okay got it figured out! 8103 and electric F5J set up
A more logical way would have been to use Aux3 to Elevator on Mix3 activated by BTFY1 for elevator. And then use any other mix to mix Aux3 to Aux2 with that mix always on. The Aux3 switch is the same as the BTFY switch. But the throttle mix needs to be always on since you want that to mix in and move the full amount of travel. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Motor goes into Aux 2. Go to Mix 3 Aux 2 to Elevator You will enter the amount after you have your model up and flying, this is to add some down elevator compenstation IF you need it while climbing with the motor...should really shim the motor to get the right thrust angle instead). Move the cursor down to Switch and chose BTFY1 (that is the top left switch and its position pushed away from you...as in GO! All you have done at this point is assign the BTFY switch position 1 to work some down elevator with the motor on and no elevator compensation when the motor is off and the switch is in the BTFY 0 position (stands for Butterfly not that it matters). Next we need to get AUX 2 programmed work the motor when the BTFY switch is in the 1 position..and that it will work the motors speed controller so far enough off that the controller will initialize, and far enough up so that you get full throttle. This is for LMR competiton setting, it does not give you variable/proportional motor control..off or on. Go to Mix 6 and chose Aux2 to Aux2...yep mixed to itself! Cursor down to the mix percentage. You notice that the cursor is only on one of the number choices. You need to make one fully + and the other fully -. How? Go up to the Aux2 or Flap knob on the top left of the radio. Turn it fully to the left and then fully to the left. The cursor will move from one of the amounts to the other. Move the knob to one amount and plus it all the way, then move it down and minus it all the way. Cursor down to the Switch position and chose BTFY1 Move the cursor to the OFFSET position and with the knob on top all the way counter clockwize, hit CLEAR (I think) or one of the +/- buttons, (I forgot already :-). Make sure your Prop is off of the motor. Next plug the motor into the Aux 2 spot, (the knob should live totally counter clockwize from that day on as it will work the motor some). Move the BTFY switch to the 0 position or toward you. Your motor controller will likely beep to let you know it initialized. After it does, move the switch to the 1 position or away from you, and it should start. If you find you don't seem to have full throttle, turn it off then go to the Travel Adjust menu, put the cursor on the AUX2 position, turn the motor on and increase the amount fully. That should do it. However if when you move the switch to the BTFY 1 position, you find that your car begins to beep, likely you will have to offer a live chicken sacrifice to the gods of Japanese Radio Corporation. Mix 3 is to get some down elevator to correct for a lazy motor alignment installation Mix 6 is to get the motor to turn off or on using the BTFY1 switch. The Spoiler/Throttle stick has NOTHING to do with the motor, nothing. It is only for actuating your landing flap and its elevator compensation. This isn't 'hard', so don't be telling me it's easier with some other radio. Its part of the fun. Got it? Gordy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Re: [balsasailplanes] Re: Jan 1, 2005 - National Postal Fun Fly Contest. 2nd Annual event! 2004 winner was Larry Jolly.
A common question I have received is what if I'm not sure of what state or city I'll be flying in Answer, if you want your name on the list, but not sure where you will be flying, I'll list the state you reside in or where you think you'll be flying and when you send the score information just let me know and we can correct the listing info on the final results list. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 7:15 PM Subject: [balsasailplanes] Re: Jan 1, 2005 - National Postal Fun Fly Contest. 2nd Annual event! 2004 winner was Larry Jolly. All Right..first man to sign up is Richard Burnoski. Anybody have a woody you could lend to Richard? Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 6:43 PM Subject: Jan 1, 2005 - National Postal Fun Fly Contest. 2nd Annual event! 2004 winner was Larry Jolly. Let's do it again.a National Postal fly in on New Years day for fun. Woody's only with Built up wood flying surfaces, no molded d-tubes, no restriction on spar construction, with or without a fiberglass fuse. No restrictions on the use of thermal sensors or wind meters. Two classes: 100 and under and 100 and over, no limit on number of controls. Tasks: Thermal duration. Longest Flight: Any number of attempts, may fly the same plane in both classes. No landing points requirement. Three Minute Ladder: Each consecutive flight must be greater than the previous flight by 3 minutes. If consecutive flight is less than three minutes, simply try again. No landing points requirements. Launch by Hi Start or winch. Scoring: Report your longest flight and highest step in the time ladder for each size class you participated in by email to Ray Hayes. You may be asked for the name and phone # of your timer. Winners will receive respect and applause from the rest of us. Send a photo and forever be immortalized. The rest of us should send a photo also. To make it more interesting, the country will be divided up into weather regions with winners in each region as describe above plus and overall winners in each size class and task. Regions: Region A. All the states touching the Pacific Ocean plus HI, AZ, NM, TX, MS, AL, GA, FL, SC, except Alaska. Region B. OK, MO, AK, TN, KY, NC. Region C (cold, gray and windy) All the remaining states. I'm willing to keep track of the scores, so let's get out there this New Years day and have some fun with our woodys. Get a group together and turn it into a soaring party. To sign up, send an email to me by Friday, 8 pm your local time, December 31st, 2004. with the following info: your name, city and state where flights will take place (does not have to be city you reside in). To register your scores, email them with photos if possible no later than Jan. 2, 2005 to me. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nothing but fun with our woodys... Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/4SeplB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/balsasailplanes/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] looking for 2M Super V
Hans is looking for a 2M super V in good condition.. anybody that may have one can e-mail Hans at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Test-List down or just a problem at my end?
Last RSCE e-mail received yesterday at 12:15. Trying to figure out if the problem is at my end or not Justin
[RCSE] Pink foam available - San Diego area - inexpensive
Posting for a friend who is leaving the hobby - he thinks. Several blocks (4 x 8 ?) of medium and high density pink foam available in the San Diego area. Must be picked up within the next week. Email me off line for details. Don RichmondSan Diego, CA (Virginia Beach, VA today)[EMAIL PROTECTED]hilaunch.com
[RCSE] Falcon 550 E specs needed
Hi all, I've done a quick web search for this plane but haven't come up with any specs. I have a Falcon 550E fuselage, but don't know anything about the aircraft itself. I believe it was an Airtronics product. If anyone has any info on the wing section, planform, span, area, horizontal stab profile, rudder size/shape, I would be much in debt. Thanks Dan Kitching
[RCSE] Ask for DVDs this Christmas!
Ask your significant other for these inexpensive soaring gifts, or get something cool for your soaring buddies. The 2005 Soaring Experience Calendar http://radiocarbonart.com/Pages/calendar.html The HLG Pro Clinic Intensive Training DVD http://radiocarbonart.com/Pages/proclinicmain.html The new PSS Masters slope soaring DVD http://radiocarbonart.com/Pages/pssmain.html Electric Revolution, our latest DVD shipping Dec. 10th http://radiocarbonart.com/Pages/ermainone.html She can order easily online or can give us a call! http://www.radiocarbonart.com Tel: 541-752-9661 10am-6pm M-F PST Order soon to guarantee holiday delivery. Happy St. Nick day. Paul Aimee -- Paul Naton president-Radio Carbon Art Producers of High Quality Silent Flight Videos http://www.radiocarbonart.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 541-752-9661 Visa/Mastercard Accepted RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] email address change
I am changing my primary email address due to a 95% spam ratio. I have been running filters and anti spam programs, but I am still getting hammered. The new email address is aero1 @ aerofoam . com Please don't give this address to ANY 3rd. parties or enter it in ANY forwarding sites such as e-cards, news articles etc. . Thanks. Mark Mech www.aerofoam.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Re: Looking for regulars from The Lump in North Carolina
I am not a regular but I have been up once and had a blast. I am in charlotte and need to go more often... Alex -- Eyefly Eyefly's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfouserid=30454 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=295347 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] First Plane
My first plane was a Gentle Lady. I took it out and tried to toss it and nearly crashed it several times so I loaded up and went to a local club for some help. the guyes there were all gas fliers and nobody had any launch equipment. It just so happened one of the guys had a fishing pole in the back of his truck so we fashioned a ring for the tow hook and one man sat in the back of the pickup one drove and one flew the plane on tow . that was the beginning of being hooked on flying. Bruce Hoover __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Re: Looking for regulars from The Lump in North Carolina
where or what is this lump? where can I find more info? thanks, David in Clayton -- Gofli David Hogue Gofli's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfouserid=2858 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=295347 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Drela foils == marketing gimmick now?
If you check out the various ads and articles in Model Aviation you will notice how many of them refer to Drela airfols. It is true that the Bubble Dancer, Allegro and other assorted planes fly quite nicely, but I wonder how much of the airfoil choice is just a marketing gimmick. One extra swipe of the sandpaper by our Czech worker-bee has turned that Drela foiled AVA/Topaz/whatever into some other airfoil. Particularly on these amazing built up RES ships with mylar covering, I wonder how much of the performance is due to the airfoil and how much is due to very light balsa/composite building techniques. Does Dr. Drela get a royalty for the use of his name? Did Dr. Selig? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Re: Looking for regulars from The Lump in North Carolina
Here is a link. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201809highlight=the+lump Alex -- Eyefly Eyefly's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfouserid=30454 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=295347 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Re: Looking for regulars from The Lump in North Carolina
I just fopund a link to a map of the blue ridge parkway. The lump is labeled close to E.B Jeffress Park. Hope this helps... I will get some info and try to make it up soemtime as well... http://data2.itc.nps.gov/parks/blri/ppMaps/BLRImap%2Epdf Alex -- Eyefly Eyefly's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfouserid=30454 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=295347 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Re: First sailplane.
And my first sailplane was a Zaic Thermic 100. Bananna fuse, wavy wings, untrimmable, but fun to fly. I'm scratch building another, plan to r/c it. --Bill -- Bill Harris Bill Harris's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfouserid=1113 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=304468 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] For sale, Futaba compatible receivers $20.00 ea
I have a Futaba shift generic 8ch FM receiver for sale, I do not remember the brand, it is Gold stickered. Works just fine. I also have a HiTek RCD-55 micro receiver Futaba shift, with an external connector added for channel 7 (allows flaperon when using a Vision). Also works just fine. No receiver crystals with these. $20.00 each plus shipping. Mike RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Re: will trade E-AVA for...
I have a Caleb w/flaps 1 pc wing, Hacker B40-8L 4.4:1, 12 GP3300, CC80, RFM 13x9 slim prop, UBEC, 5 servos installed, yellow top/blue bottom. Pictures of me with it are in the SEFF supplement of Quiet Flyer. Can send pics if interesed. -- doug928 doug928's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfouserid=16506 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=305040 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Airtronics crystal trade
On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 09:40:09PM -0800, Arthur wrote: |I need an airtronics rx ch 44 crystal, will trade one you need, or |cash. You may find this useful, if you haven't seen it -- http://members.aol.com/davthacker/radicalrcxtalexchange.htm Sure, he charges $5 for each exchange, and generally only exchanges for similar crystals, but maybe it's what you need ... -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED] `If I had to live my life again, I'd make the same mistakes, only sooner.' -- Tallulah Bankhead RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] FOR SALE - Marauder RES.....
The Marauder is sold pending funds. Thanks for all the inquiries. The 660 is still for sale note that this is a PCM system! Mark AIRTRONICS Infinity 660 PCM radio - transmitter and 92965 PCM receiver CH40 $125 / Offer Kenko PRO 300 2X teleconverter for NIKON D100, D70.. $125 delivered to your door GREAT PRICE! Mark This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify Space Imaging immediately.
Re: [RCSE] All flying vertical stab...
I'm building the new tail for my solar plane and I'm thinking I'll make a Drela style carbon V mount for the vstab. The original carbon V-mount was on the Daedalus HPA, on both the stab and the rudder: http://trc.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/Daedalus/Medium/EC88-0059-002.jpg http://trc.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/Daedalus/Large/EC88-0059-002.jpg (hi-res) http://trc.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/Daedalus/Medium/EC87-0014-8.jpg http://trc.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/Daedalus/Large/EC87-0014-8.jpg (hi res) Putting the rudder on a V-mount works fine, except striking the rudder on the ground may cause it to break. I suppose you could have the V-mounted rudder mostly above the boom, which would minimize the torques on the V-mount from a ground strike. But rudder airloads will torque the boom more. Then there's the agony of deciding whether to put the rudder on the right side or the left side of the boom... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] WTB 100 + electric sailplane
I'm looking for a 100 or larger electric sailplane - prefer RTF. I don't want an expensive LMR F5J plane - just something that will climb adequately and thermal well - like an Ellipsoid Must have ailerons and be relatively inexpensive. Please reply direct. Thanks, Mark *** This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify Space Imaging immediately. *** RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] RE: Inexpensive Hotliners
Jim, you might find what you are looking for at www.SoaringUSA.com Specifically: http://www.soaringusa.com/products/category.htm?category_id=251 Cheers, Nathan Woods RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Falcon 550 E specs needed
Hi all, I've done a quick web search for this plane but haven't come up with any specs. I have a Falcon 550E fuselage, but don't know anything about the aircraft itself. I believe it was an Airtronics product. If anyone has any info on the wing section, planform, span, area, horizontal stab profile, rudder size/shape, I would be much in debt. Thanks Dan Kitching Dan, I have a NIB kit at home and I can give you all the spec you needed to know. And if you are interested, it is for sale. The section is a Eppler 387, 550 sq in(hence the name 550E), the tail section I used on mine is Naca-0009. The rudder shape is not that important, I converted my to T-tail. Brian -- Brian Chan, An Electric Airplane Junkie @ San Mateo.Ca.USA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
As I get older, I find my own limits getting a bit more conservative. Reflecting on this prompts a proposed discussion on certain limits in R/C soaring. When posting a comment, keep it to a particular limit. Comments on the factors determining the limit would be appreciated. For example, is the limit aerodynamically, technological, financially, or perhaps even humanly defined. Perhaps a combination of factors? The three limits I'd like to see explored are: - What is the limit of the current speed task in F3B? - Is there an ultimate limit for DS speeds? If so what defines it? - What is the duration limit for a pure thermal (no slope assist) duration flight? So instead of bashing Fed Ex et al, vendors, Gordy, or the good old boys in the AMA, why not stretch mind and imagination and become a prophet (with no danger in this forum of being without honor)? Think, then post, Jim Deck And, as David Letterman says, This is an exhibition not a competition, no wagering please. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
At 4:10 PM -0600 12/2/04, Jim Deck wrote: - What is the limit of the current speed task in F3B? Skill, Luck..but luck usually come with practice as in the more practice you have, the luckier you are. - Is there an ultimate limit for DS speeds? If so what defines it? See above - What is the duration limit for a pure thermal (no slope assist) duration flight? See above Brian RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
At 02:10 PM 12/2/2004, you wrote: As I get older, I find my own limits getting a bit more conservative. Reflecting on this prompts a proposed discussion on certain limits in R/C soaring. When posting a comment, keep it to a particular limit. Comments on the factors determining the limit would be appreciated. - What is the duration limit for a pure thermal (no slope assist) duration flight? Interesting thought. Has anyone ever had a competition for a day or a weekend where the idea was to log the longest single flight? Launch as many times as you wished. What is the longest actually timed TD flight anyone has witnessed, again, no slope factor involved. Bill Johns Colton, WA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Re:All flying vertical stab...
In Then there's the agony of deciding whether to put the rudder on the right side or the left side of the boom... Cool - this thread should keep some of us occupied through the new year. I say right side in the heartlands and left side in Boston and San Fransisco. happy trails - Rob G RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
At 04:23 PM 12/2/2004, William E. Johns wrote: Interesting thought. Has anyone ever had a competition for a day or a weekend where the idea was to log the longest single flight? Launch as many times as you wished. I thought Ray Hayes CD'ed something along those lines for a woody contest at one time, I could be mistaken. What is the longest actually timed TD flight anyone has witnessed, again, no slope factor involved. Just over two hours, I saw at least three of those in 2004 working LSF tasks, I being one of those pilots. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
Skip did over 5 hours at the club field a few years ago. I believe Joe's XC record flight was more than that. I routinely do 3-4 hours with my XC plane Mark What is the longest actually timed TD flight anyone has witnessed, again, no slope factor involved. Just over two hours, I saw at least three of those in 2004 working LSF tasks, I being one of those pilots. *** This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify Space Imaging immediately. *** RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] For Sale - Airtronics Radios
Posting for a friend: FOR SALE 3 Airtronics Vision Radios 3 transmitters 3 batts 7 RF modules 5 Rec'vrs 2 Futaba 2 Hitec 1 Airtronics PCM 1 Vision Tx Excellent condition w/1 module Pcm rc'vr 1batt $250.00 2 Vision Tx Excellent condition w/ rubber ducky antenna 1 module 1 rc'vr $225.00 3 Vision Tx Fair condition (broken door hinge) 1 module 1batt 1rc'vr $175.00 The additional RF modules and rc'vr are negotiable. All working fine Please contact at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony
RE: [RCSE] All flying vertical stab...
Mark Drela sent: http://trc.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/Daedalus/Medium/EC87-0014-8.jpg Hey, wait a sec, that thing is just a rib-constructed Supergee with an ugly pod and a big prop. Are you sure this is a photo of a full scale aircraft? :-) I think the guy inside is just a modified Hanz the pilot figure, and the whole thing was photographed just after an aggressive tip launch. Lift, Scobie at Liftworx www.liftworx.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
I've read about Joe's XC flight before, but he asked that people have witnessed. Was Skip's flight a XC flight, or with his scale ship, or... ? At 04:40 PM 12/2/2004, Howard Mark wrote: Skip did over 5 hours at the club field a few years ago. I believe Joe's XC record flight was more than that. I routinely do 3-4 hours with my XC plane Mark What is the longest actually timed TD flight anyone has witnessed, again, no slope factor involved. Just over two hours, I saw at least three of those in 2004 working LSF tasks, I being one of those pilots. *** This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify Space Imaging immediately. *** Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
Let me rephrase my posts so nobodys feathers get ruffled, I thought Bill John's post was referring to PERSONALLY witnessed, not that Joe's flight wasn't witnessed, it obviously was and certainly a historic flight. At 04:47 PM 12/2/2004, James V. Bacus wrote: I've read about Joe's XC flight before, but he asked that people have witnessed. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] BRASS
BRASS lost it's field today. Even though it is private property, it is zoned agricultural and requires a special use permit for an organization involved in active recreation. They denied our request for such a permit. The land owner can still have a couple friends over to fly, but we can't have it as a club field. We have a very nice only a few months old 8 x 12 storage building if anyone is interested (cost us $1200). It has a solar charger that keeps our 4 batteries charged. (It is an 80 watt unit and cost us about $500 with all the stuff.) If anyone is interested, I can take offers to the club this weekend. This means no ESL or Woody contests next year. Tom TG 32 Mount View Dr Afton, VA 22920 540 943-3356 fax 943-4178 540 943-3356 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
What is the longest actually timed TD flight anyone has witnessed, again, no slope factor involved. Just over two hours, I saw at least three of those in 2004 working LSF tasks, I being one of those pilots. I recall an account Joe Wurts wrote of one of his cross country flights. I think he stayed up a large part of a day - certainly more than two hours. Wouldn't that count as a TD flight? RVC RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] All flying vertical stab...
Putting the rudder on a V-mount works fine, except striking the rudder on the ground may cause it to break. I suppose you could have the V-mounted rudder mostly above the boom, which would minimize the torques on the V-mount from a ground strike. But rudder airloads will torque the boom more. My thought was that the rudder strikes on landing would most likely be from straight ahead. If the rudder was attached with a single bolt then it should pivot around that bolt, and not transmit much load to anything? The Flight loads wanting to rotate the rudder fore and aft in the vertical plane should be almost zero if the mount is in the rudder center??? I realize that the rotating prop puts some diferential airflow into the equation but I wouldn;t think it was that much Am I missing something? Then there's the agony of deciding whether to put the rudder on the right side or the left side of the boom... I'm currently living in The Peoples Republic of California, so it's got to go on the Left side ;-) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
- What is the duration limit for a pure thermal (no slope assist) duration flight? Well theoretically . . . . With unlimited funds and unlimited technology including semi-autonomous flight, solar-or-otherwise recharging power system, and night thermals - indefinitely ;-) With current technologies, good weather, great batteries, good eyes and great endurance - from sunrise to sunset. Roughly 15 hours on June 21st at North American latitudes! A catheter and support team would also be needed. My bag needs to be emptied. Aww, I just did that. ;-) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Proof there are people crazier than I....
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Re: [RCSE] All flying vertical stab...
Paul Breed wrote: Then there's the agony of deciding whether to put the rudder on the right side or the left side of the boom... I'm currently living in The Peoples Republic of California, so it's got to go on the Left side ;-) Isn't that the place where they elected 'The Terminator' as Gov? Give me a break. michael RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
At 03:20 PM 12/2/2004, James V. Bacus wrote: Let me rephrase my posts so nobodys feathers get ruffled, I thought Bill John's post was referring to PERSONALLY witnessed, not that Joe's flight wasn't witnessed, it obviously was and certainly a historic flight. Nah, let's not get too technical. I was simply referring to a witnessed, not a friend of a friend told me that kinda flight. JW's flight is certainly valid. So how long was that? I would think, and someone has suggested this, that given the very best of days and a good plane and a support team and a large battery pack, one could theoretically stay up from shortly after sunup when thermals start generating until near sunset when thermals start deteriorating. Let's tighten up the definition here just a bit and say for someone flying from a fixed location, not XC, how long has anyone kept a plane up. So far the longest I've seen posted is 5 hours. Most impressive. What type of plane was used for this flight? What time of year? (My neck gets sore after about 25 minutes. I presume folks sit down and lean back a bit.) Thanks, Bill Johns RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Inexpensive Hotliner?
Take a look at the Siren from Great Planes. $149.00 at Tower. AJ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] BRASS
It was mainly Fear factor. The people who had their house hit by Tony Guide's plane at an ESL contest, organized the neighbors and said we could kill their kids. All it takes is one accident. Also, one guy got up and complained about the noise. He said the gliders sounded like lawnmowers running all the time. Go figure. T TG 32 Mount View Dr Afton, VA 22920 540 943-3356 fax 943-4178 540 943-3356 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] BRASS That sucks Tom, sorry buddy. John Hauff RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
At 06:01 PM 12/2/2004, Bill Johns wrote: So far the longest I've seen posted is 5 hours. Most impressive. What type of plane was used for this flight? What time of year? Mark Howard emailed me back and said Skip was flying a SBXC or a Saggitta XC, he wasn't sure. That's all I know about it, but 5 hours is impressive. (My neck gets sore after about 25 minutes. I presume folks sit down and lean back a bit.) The two hour flights we flew this summer were with Unlimited TD models and a RES model. I was flying an ICON lite, Steve Meyer was flying an Escape, and Wayne Fredette was flying a Chicago Style RES. All of us were specked when we made our task time and decided to land to make it count, so we all could have gone longer. But any LSF V has seen and been over two hours in TD flight, so there are over a hundred guys that have been there and done that. And for that matter, there are a number of LSF IV's that have witnessed that task, or also have completed that task like myself. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Dan DeVries
Dan, will you answer off line, Or does someone have a connection to Dan Devries. The e-mail address I have for Dandoes not work. Thanks, Dave Corven.
RE: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
One aspect of R/C soaring has some official data recorded for timed flights standing in one spot. You might be surprised how difficult it is to stay up for an hour on any given day; The Scale Soaring Gold Medal program proves just that. At Venues all over the U.S and Canada, from Visalia to Los Banos to the JR Aerotow to the NATS XC event (scale XC) Check it out. These are timed (verified by second party) flights at public events. This years program was a popular success, if you fly scale sailplanes, try it for yourself next year. Here is the excel sheet with info. Click on times link when visiting this page. http://www.scalesoaring.net/EMM/scalesoaringgold.htm Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bill Johns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 7:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion At 03:20 PM 12/2/2004, James V. Bacus wrote: Let me rephrase my posts so nobodys feathers get ruffled, I thought Bill John's post was referring to PERSONALLY witnessed, not that Joe's flight wasn't witnessed, it obviously was and certainly a historic flight. Nah, let's not get too technical. I was simply referring to a witnessed, not a friend of a friend told me that kinda flight. JW's flight is certainly valid. So how long was that? I would think, and someone has suggested this, that given the very best of days and a good plane and a support team and a large battery pack, one could theoretically stay up from shortly after sunup when thermals start generating until near sunset when thermals start deteriorating. Let's tighten up the definition here just a bit and say for someone flying from a fixed location, not XC, how long has anyone kept a plane up. So far the longest I've seen posted is 5 hours. Most impressive. What type of plane was used for this flight? What time of year? (My neck gets sore after about 25 minutes. I presume folks sit down and lean back a bit.) Thanks, Bill Johns RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
Just over 8 hours. Our club helped out Gary Itner while he was flying his own design Little Pigeon, a ~16 ft XC model, at the SFVSF club field in Northridge, California in 1982. We were doing thermal duration record attempts and Gary got a good one that day. I think I set a 2-meter record that day too. His famous line at the end of the flight was (TIC), here's another day when I come to the flying field and only get one flight in. ;-) Norm PBSS Ex-SFVSF -Original Message- From: Bill Johns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 4:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion Let's tighten up the definition here just a bit and say for someone flying from a fixed location, not XC, how long has anyone kept a plane up. So far the longest I've seen posted is 5 hours. Thanks, Bill Johns RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
At 06:37 PM 12/2/2004, James V. Bacus wrote: Steve Meyer was flying an Escape, It's getting harder and harder to remember things... dang, 8-) Meyer was flying his SBXC that day with a Telario or Picolario and the autopilot system... I think I remembered that correctly... 8-) Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] looking for 2M Super V
I too will take interest in buying a 2meter Super-V if the weight is about 40 oz or less please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks for looking Mike.M Team SWSA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Inexpensive Hotliner?
The jury is still out as to whetere this is a hotliner or a sailplane that looks like a hotliner... I know the carbon is in the wrong place on the fuse On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:08:52 -0800 (PST), AJ Bhatta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take a look at the Siren from Great Planes. $149.00 at Tower. AJ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. -- Jay Hunter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
Here is a limit of a different kind. Last summer I flew the 2Meter contest in Grand Rapids Michigan. I managed to gain 3000 feet six minutes. (3421feet to be exact) I bailed at about 3200 to land for a 10 min Max. The Piccolario lady was taking to me all the sweet sounds a numbers to me we all like to hear. Troy Lawiki was timing for me and extra sets of eyes helping spotting the disappearing glider. I did managed to dive 3200 in less then two minutes and land on time. I have to say It was great flight. only for Troy to out fly me the next round and go to over 4000 feet..I hate to be second . Peter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] SoCal hand launch on Saturday
There will be a Saturday morning session at Paramount Ranch in Agoura. If the winds don't blow too hard and you can get away from shopping duties, come on out. All DLG flyers welcome! JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] looking for 2M Super V
Yes, that goes for me as well If any Super V 2M are out there... shoot me some pictures of what you have and we'll take it from there... Edgar The Soaring Junkie --- Michael Morjoseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too will take interest in buying a 2meter Super-V if the weight is about 40 oz or less please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks for looking Mike.M Team SWSA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] NIB 2M Super V -- for trade
At 07:19 PM 12/2/2004, you wrote: Yes, that goes for me as well If any Super V 2M are out there... shoot me some pictures of what you have and we'll take it from there... I just can't let all this interest in a Super V 2 meter go by without making an offer: I have a NIB, (yeah, really) Super V 2 meter. Will trade for NIB Icon light or NIB Evolution. (Contact me off line if interested.) Cheers, Bill Johns RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] NIB 2M Super V -- for trade
8-) Brilliant. At 09:35 PM 12/2/2004, Bill Johns wrote: Will trade for NIB Icon light or NIB Evolution. (Contact me off line if interested.) Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] NIB 2M Super V -- for trade
LOL, I have a Super V 2M clone that I love but will also gladly trade for an Icon Lite Mark - Original Message - From: Bill Johns [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 9:35 PM Subject: [RCSE] NIB 2M Super V -- for trade At 07:19 PM 12/2/2004, you wrote: Yes, that goes for me as well If any Super V 2M are out there... shoot me some pictures of what you have and we'll take it from there... I just can't let all this interest in a Super V 2 meter go by without making an offer: I have a NIB, (yeah, really) Super V 2 meter. Will trade for NIB Icon light or NIB Evolution. (Contact me off line if interested.) Cheers, Bill Johns RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] NIB 2M Super V -- for trade
LOL, I have a SV 2M and 2 PIKES ( v-tails of coarse), Keep the Icons, I'll take another 2M SV Mark, don't do it, your 2M wannabe SV flies to good. Bob - Original Message - From: Mark Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bill Johns [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] NIB 2M Super V -- for trade LOL, I have a Super V 2M clone that I love but will also gladly trade for an Icon Lite Mark - Original Message - From: Bill Johns [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 9:35 PM Subject: [RCSE] NIB 2M Super V -- for trade At 07:19 PM 12/2/2004, you wrote: Yes, that goes for me as well If any Super V 2M are out there... shoot me some pictures of what you have and we'll take it from there... I just can't let all this interest in a Super V 2 meter go by without making an offer: I have a NIB, (yeah, really) Super V 2 meter. Will trade for NIB Icon light or NIB Evolution. (Contact me off line if interested.) Cheers, Bill Johns RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Paging Patrick Dionisio from TPG, can someone provide contact info if possible.
I need to get in touch with Patrick Dionisio from TPG, can someone send me his contact info as I don't think he's on the exchange any longer. Thanks in advance, Edgar The Soaring Junkie __ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] flying on 72 in germany ?
It's that time of the year again - I'm going to Germany to deal with some US immigration issues at the consulate in Frankfurt and I'm wondering if I should take some planes. A sportube is waiting in the store. Do members of the soaring exchange have any recent experiences here with flying in Germany on US equipment ? Any specific risks to the frequency band ? About a year ago, I went on a similar trip, without taking any planes (I posted here too - thanks for the advice then). I did visit the Teck, where some laid back slope soaring was going on. The guys there weren't even in a club, and they didn't seem particularly opposed to someone flying on a frenchman radio (72mHz :-) But then again, some germans are known for liking their laws to be followed... Knut RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] BRASS
I was totally caught off guard. We had people get up and say they were afraid we would kill their children. Chances of them being killed by a car compared to a model glider are staggering. I just wasn't prepared for the total lack of understanding of the hobby. Also, a great lesson learned -- Know Your Neighbors. T TG 32 Mount View Dr Afton, VA 22920 540 943-3356 fax 943-4178 540 943-3356 - Original Message - From: Brian Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Broeski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] BRASS Well I'm sure sorry to hear that TomBrian Smith RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
