[RCSE] Stylus programming--Flying Wing

2005-06-11 Thread Joe Parsons
I'm just finishing a Queen Bee (it's sort of like a Zagi with a 
pituitary problem-span is 100). It's a three piece wing, with two 
servos in the center section and one in each of the two detachable 
tips. The plans call for connecting the outer elevons servos with a 
Y cable, but I thought it would be interesting to run each servo on 
a separate channel. I want to see what will happen with crow mode on 
a flying wing.


I have mixed rudder to aileron in the V-tail mode. The inner elevons 
work just fine, but the outers function only as ailerons.


While there may be enough elevator authority with just the inner 
surfaces, I'd like to have all four surfaces mixed to control pitch.


Any suggestions how best to do this with the Stylus/Glider Card?

TIA,
Joe Parsons

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Re: [RCSE] Stylus programming--Flying Wing

2005-06-11 Thread Tom Broeski

Joe,
You don't need much pitch on the Queen (I have 3 control surfaces and would 
recommend 2 instead)
I have my flaps and ailerons mixed - as well as full flap and crow mixing. 
I use a Superslim and have everything on separate channels.

Send me a glider card and I will put the program on it for you if you want.

Also, the Queen is great to fly, but a bitch to land, even with my big flaps 
and full crow.  Wait until you start adding the weight to balance it and you 
will see it gets pretty heavy.  Likes 8+ winds and is comfortable in 15 to 
20.


Tom



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Subject: [RCSE] Stylus programming--Flying Wing


I'm just finishing a Queen Bee (it's sort of like a Zagi with a pituitary 
problem-span is 100). It's a three piece wing, with two servos in the 
center section and one in each of the two detachable tips. The plans call 
for connecting the outer elevons servos with a Y cable, but I thought it 
would be interesting to run each servo on a separate channel. I want to 
see what will happen with crow mode on a flying wing.


I have mixed rudder to aileron in the V-tail mode. The inner elevons work 
just fine, but the outers function only as ailerons.


While there may be enough elevator authority with just the inner surfaces, 
I'd like to have all four surfaces mixed to control pitch.


Any suggestions how best to do this with the Stylus/Glider Card?

TIA,
Joe Parsons

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Re: [RCSE] Stylus programming--Flying Wing

2005-06-11 Thread Joe Parsons

Hi Tom--

Thanks for the quick response!

I'd love to send you my card, but I've got a fair amount of flying on 
my agenda the next few weeks.


I've set everything up on separate channels as you have (I am using a 
6 channel Hi Tech Electron). It sounds like I'll have plenty of pitch 
with just the inner surfaces, from what you say.


Wind is coming up in Livermore--12 gusting to 16--so it should at 
least stay up.


And you're right about the weight--it takes a LOT of lead to balance 
that sucker!


I'll program in a bunch of crow an see how it goes.

Thanks again.

Joe Parsons

At 01:46 PM 6/11/2005, you wrote:

Joe,
You don't need much pitch on the Queen (I have 3 control surfaces 
and would recommend 2 instead)
I have my flaps and ailerons mixed - as well as full flap and crow 
mixing. I use a Superslim and have everything on separate channels.

Send me a glider card and I will put the program on it for you if you want.

Also, the Queen is great to fly, but a bitch to land, even with my 
big flaps and full crow.  Wait until you start adding the weight to 
balance it and you will see it gets pretty heavy.  Likes 8+ winds 
and is comfortable in 15 to 20.


Tom



- Original Message - From: Joe Parsons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 3:46 PM
Subject: [RCSE] Stylus programming--Flying Wing


I'm just finishing a Queen Bee (it's sort of like a Zagi with a 
pituitary problem-span is 100). It's a three piece wing, with two 
servos in the center section and one in each of the two detachable 
tips. The plans call for connecting the outer elevons servos with a 
Y cable, but I thought it would be interesting to run each servo 
on a separate channel. I want to see what will happen with crow 
mode on a flying wing.


I have mixed rudder to aileron in the V-tail mode. The inner 
elevons work just fine, but the outers function only as ailerons.


While there may be enough elevator authority with just the inner 
surfaces, I'd like to have all four surfaces mixed to control pitch.


Any suggestions how best to do this with the Stylus/Glider Card?

TIA,
Joe Parsons

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Re: [RCSE] Stylus programming--Flying Wing

2005-06-11 Thread Doug McLaren
On Sat, Jun 11, 2005 at 04:46:55PM -0400, Tom Broeski wrote:

| You don't need much pitch on the Queen (I have 3 control surfaces and 
| would recommend 2 instead)

You really don't need much elevator on any of the flying wings.

On the smaller wings where you only have two servos, usually people
seem to end up giving them lots of travel (needed for quick aileron
response) but dialing down the travel of the elevator (in their radio)
to a reasonable value -- too much and they tend to immediately tip
stall.

This is pretty noticible on the Zagi clones, but it's really extreme
on the short flying wings like the M60 -- properly set up, your
aileron stick axis causes much more travel than your elevator stick
axis.

Sounds like having the outer control surfaces be aileron-only, and the
inner surfaces being elevator only (or maybe aileron and elevator)
might just be perfect.  I wouldn't worry much about having the outer
surfaces doing elevator functions too.

| I have my flaps and ailerons mixed - as well as full flap and crow mixing. 

I'll bet crow is nice on that.  The best way I've found to slow my
flying wings down is to smack them into something. :)

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Re: [RCSE] Stylus programming--Flying Wing

2005-06-11 Thread Joe Parsons

At 02:45 PM 6/11/2005, you wrote:

Sounds like having the outer control surfaces be aileron-only, and the
inner surfaces being elevator only (or maybe aileron and elevator)
might just be perfect.  I wouldn't worry much about having the outer
surfaces doing elevator functions too.

| I have my flaps and ailerons mixed - as well as full flap and crow mixing.

I'll bet crow is nice on that.  The best way I've found to slow my
flying wings down is to smack them into something. :)


We'll see. Wind is piping pretty nicely, but I just had some work 
stuff come up. Maiden flight will have to wait until next week, I guess.


Slowing the aircraft against a hard object prolly works better on 
foamies than on glass slippers. My last casualty of that sort was tip 
stalling my Nemesis right over the road, landing on a passing 
bicyclist. She fell off her bike, but fortunately her fall was nicely 
broken by, uh...the Nemesis.


Joe Parsons  


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