Re: Salvage the list.
The mail-archive.com might be a possible alternative. Not many of you probably know this, but there is an alternative archive for this mailing list already running there http://www.mail-archive.com/softimage@listproc.autodesk.com/maillist.html We (Stephen Blair and I) instated this, when there was a prolonged period of troubles with the Google Groups. It could use the archive of the Google Mailing List though, as it doesn’t go that far back... Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com From: Francisco Criado Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 4:19 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Salvage the list. So, google group? its the only way i know for mailing list, if anyone has another idea... F. 2014-03-05 12:09 GMT-03:00 Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za: I have email alerts firing from both, pretty much at the same frequency since the announcement. -- From: Ognjen Vukovic [ognj...@gmail.com] Sent: 05 March 2014 05:05 PM To: softimage Subject: Re: Salvage the list. Did the mailing list just die down all of a sudden? Is everyone off to si-community, if so i think thats not the best solution as forums tend to dilute down the level of discussion over various boards which is not in my opinion the best thing right now. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Leonard Koch leonardkoch...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that we cannot lose this community and another mailing list to run concurrent with the SI List for the next couple years should be a good solution. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote: You do realize Google is as trigger happy with software as AD right? ;-P I would prefer something less 'corporate'. And I don't really use Google stuff too btw Rob \/-\/\/On 5-3-2014 2:59, Francisco Criado wrote: Thought that making a forum site, would demand too much time for maintainance, and also we saw xsibase go down so, maybe a google group? F. On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Alok Gandhi alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com wrote: I think a new list is good idea. It can be even more awesome if all of us can pull our resources together and ask and share about any DCC we are using. Be it maya, houdini, max, modo, blender etc. Let's make a new list and keep doing the same thing that we have been doing over the years - Ask, Share and just be awesome ! For me personally, as a developer / td, I am ready to write tools for anything. I am still happy to answer any core math questions as it forms the basis of most of our work in any package. Let's do this in parallel to the list. Alok Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2014, at 7:14, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: You don't seem to be aware of many things these days Luc-eric :P. no... that wasn't fair of me i apologize. My point was more to the effect that we should not wait for such plans to occur. Allowing people to ease into a new routine Yes Francisco, i too think a new list would be a good option. one that represents other demographics as well would make sense Emilio, you are a true SI soldier and i share your passion, I'm not encouraging an exodus here, but instigating an initiative to safeguard the knoledge of this list, that knowledge is its members and we both know that many here will not have the choice not to transition, i'd like these people to have a place too, and i don't think a banner should be held aloft as a heavy reminder of what we have lost. it would only lead to wat ever new structure to become a mourning wall. i hope you understand (please don't hate me !) :( On 5 March 2014 01:09, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not aware of plans to shut down this list. If there were, the Google group could be used as a backup On Mar 4, 2014 7:53 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: My fellows, friends, comrades. The recent events that have befallen our community enunciate a breaking. After this nothing or very little will be the same. People will shortly be departing for uncertain pastures. One way or another, a long journey through the night awaits us all, and we will find new lights and some will find new apps to call home. But I think that it is important we take steps to preserve this community even if our paths seem to be at a crossing. For the knowledge and solace woven here, surely they can not take. If we are to move to a new list or to regroup around an existing resource, eg
Re: Salvage the list.
Naming it shouldn’t pose too much of a problem: simply recall it the XSI-mailing list as opposed to Autodeskian Softimage one Leendert Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Save Softimage on Facebook and Reddit
I wouldn’t say its overly negative. “3d will never be the same” is sad but it’s a fact IMHO... Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com www.3dwillneverbethesame.com Leendert From: Oliver Weingarten Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 5:34 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Save Softimage on Facebook and Reddit Hey... parts of this will hopefully be covered by http://www.3dwillneverbethesame.com...we/ can of course change the name later on in something more positive ;)..why not People are starting to send stuff in right and I invite everyone to participate... It might also get a place for a user database and a place for discussion about the future...and maybe joining forces of users and studios etc. What do you think? Thanks ;) cheers, oli
Re: Salvage the list.
When paraphrasing that fine piece of poetry, you shouldn’t forget to append the ominous “(click)” of the original... Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com From: Mirko Jankovic Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 6:52 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Salvage the list. Future of Softimage mailing list is bright... On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Leonard Koch leonardkoch...@gmail.com wrote: I think Eric would also be an excellent and very trusted choice for setting it up. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 6:46 PM, adrian wyer adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com wrote: burn. -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eric Mootz Sent: 05 March 2014 17:45 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Salvage the list. Yeah, right. They also said they would not retire Softimage either. - Original Message - From: Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 6:39 PM Subject: Re: Salvage the list. Autodesk is not shutting down the Softimage mailing list.
Re: Friday Flashback #162
If all evangelists had been that funny, there would've been way more religion in this world... :D Mark will be missed (especially also by Autodesk, to be honest. They won't find anyone like him ever again!) -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Update to the Softtimage Transition Plan
Hi mr. Patel, I assume, hopefully correctly, the positive changes you outline here will find their way in writing to the official website soon as well. Could you please confirm this and give an estimate when such papers will be available? Thanks in advance! -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Update to the Softtimage Transition Plan
Hi, mr. Patel, Thanks for the update, but it raises another question: (If this is a stupid question: sorry, I'm having a hard time processing all this ATM.) Two quotes... From the OP: /Based on your feedback we will be adding the ability to continue to access Softimage indefinitely with your Subscription entitlement even after we stop support on Softimage in April 2016./ From the FAQ /If you need to use Softimage after February 1, 2016 you will be able to access it through the Subscription center in the same way that Subscription customers can access prior versions today./ In the FAQ one element from your OP seems unclear. You clearly speak of accessing Softimage */indefinitely/*, while the FAQ states the usage */in the same/ way* that Subscription customers can access prior versions today.. As I understand prior version rights aren't indefinite.I believe older versions cease to be available after three years even under this program. While I assume/hope the condition you've laid out in your OP to be correct, but if so the FAQ could use some clarification in this respect. Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog -- Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue -- Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: URGENT: Consolidation of Questions
But moving the items from the Mailing List to a Google doc won't do much good, unless you are able to set some clear ground rules as to its usage and the intended content (what should and what should not be included)... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Update to the Softtimage Transition Plan
Hi Maurice, That makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up! Greetz LeendertMaurice Patel schreef op 9-3-2014 1:30: Hi Leendert The mechanism is the same. Your comment about three versions back applies to what is made available as new releases are issued. No new releases for Softimage will be available so the situation is not really identical and the three version back limitation does not apply. Also the three limit back is about access to licenses not about existing ones. For example if you are using Maya 2009 today (more than 3 versions back) you can still continue to use it although you would only access 2011, 2012, 2013 from the Subs center. Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Your postings...
Agreed... Emilio Hernandez schreef op 9-3-2014 16:51: Well I read a more unprofessional post of someone telling other one, that he was biased because he was fired from Autodesk. We were all professionals 20 years ago? If fresh blood is coming to this list, in first place to seek help and knowledge, and he gets caught in the middle of this mayhem suddenly he is not able to express how he feels, while the rest of us are doing it? I am not judging, nor I am who to say if it was right or wrong for Mauricio to post a private mail. But he has the right to do it. True is this list because of the events that developed just last Tuesday, has been driven away from its essence. It is normal. Will it ever be the same? I don't know. I hope so. So the people like me, that are staying with Softimage until Autodesk or some one else comes with a better solution for me. That by conviction I will adopt, like it was the case with Softimage 3D and not because I am forced to, can continue learning, sharing and why not? Have a good time with all of you, as we are spread all over the world. And even that I don't know you in person, at this stage I feel I am part of a big family. I never saw Mauricio jumping on threads about tech stuff and start posting out of place. But anyway the tidal wave is settling and after the waters retire we will see what is left. Then we can start bulding again. You can count with my two hands to do so. Cheers! --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Your postings...
Might be an idea to abandon this conversation/thread. Much of what could be added here about the state of the list isn't really directed at the person that started it IMHO. Greetz Leendert Eric Thivierge schreef op 9-3-2014 17:40: Yeah not really professional to post a private email to the list honestly. This type of behavior is something that has only become more common as more and more people have hopped on the list and there hasn't been a push to keep things professional and respectful over the past few years. People are emotional and motivated by the recent events, but there is no reason to not be professional and respectful at the same time. That's how the list was when I joined and it's how I hope it would continue. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Open letter to Autodesk
Brilliant letter, only your age surprised me a bit... ;) Alastair Hearsum schreef op 10-3-2014 11:20: *nearly 150 years old now* -- Leendert A. Hartog -- Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue -- Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Open letter to Autodesk
Eugen Sares schreef op 10-3-2014 12:30: The irony is - Softimage's death is the best publicity it ever got from Autodesk... QFA -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: [OT] Some musings regarding Blender...
Instating the UI team seemed a bit like a PR move (and not much more than that). It remains to be seen, if they're truly ready, willing and able to tackle the bigger UI problems Blender faces. Personally I doubt this. -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: [OT] Some musings regarding Blender...
One would certainly think so, but Ton Roosendaals initial response to the UI criticism sounded a bit like very rigid thinking. You can find it here: http://code.blender.org/index.php/2013/10/redefining-blender/ Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: [OT] Some musings regarding Blender...
Indeed, it's pretty powerful. I was merely commenting on the UI situation... -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: just my 2 cents [Re:] Open letter to Autodesk
Tim Borgmann schreef op 11-3-2014 17:21: unfortunately my english is not good enough to express my feelings and thoughts about all this You could've easily left out the remark about your English. Nothing wrong with that. It's a very impressive statement! -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Update to the Softtimage Transition Plan
Hello, I have one more question: does the transition period require my to stay on the highest tier of subscription to benefit from both Softimage 2015 and Maya 2015 or can I just as easily downgrade to the lower tier of subscription Maya has (but Softimage never had) on offer. Thanks in advance for your reply... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Please contribute: 3D WILL NEVER BE THE SAME
While everybody's making his/her own plans what to do next, it would seem to as good a time as any to remind you all of Olivers initiative http://www.3dwillneverbethesame.com/ which should eventually become an impressive tribute to Softimage. To reach this goal, however, more input is needed. So please contribute (details can be found here: http://www.si-community.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=4t=4929 ). Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: A germ of an idea.
Hi Paul, You might want to throw this idea at the si-community as well, unless you want it to be a Mailing List exclusive. ;) Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: A germ of an idea.
p...@bustykelp.com schreef op 12-3-2014 12:36: I think that's a good idea as long as its not going to split people up. I dont want people having to search around to see where we are up to. You can still base it on the Mailing List (anybody can join), but those not following the List often have no real clue what's going on here so a quick reminder might help... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: SI and Houdini
Jordi Bares schreef op 12-3-2014 12:59: Just look at their Forum and you will see a SI Users sub-forum to discuss things. Them having set up a sub-forum for SI-users needn't mean that they're listening, though... :p -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: SI and Houdini
i don't doubt that they do listen, my remark was about instating the sub-forum signifying nothing as such. Look at the Area, the official Softimage forum has had hardly anyone from AD listening ever... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: OT: Music for Pooby's protest film
Or possibly put music to Chinny's famous attempt at writing lyrics: The future of Softimage is bright... click The future of Softimage is bright... click The future of Softimage is bright... click The future of Softimage is bright... click The future of Softimage is bright... click The future of Softimage is bright... click The future of Softimage is bright... click The future of Softimage is bright... click The future of Softimage is bright... click Sorry, couldn't resist... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: A germ of an idea.
Sounds like a good idea. Let's go with it!!! Too much discussion about the story at this point will only undo the whole project IMHO. Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: A germ of an idea.
Hi Paul, In your possibly last act of coordinating this, I'd - if I were you - lock down your story idea as the way forward, in that a discussion how the story will ultimately play out stays on the table, but new story ideas needn't be discussed anymore... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: A germ of an idea.
Understood, but these kind of projects need decision makers and final decisions to even remotely get forward. That's why I mentioned it. Greetz Leendert p...@bustykelp.com schreef op 13-3-2014 12:35: I don't want to be a dictator -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: A germ of an idea.
Paul schreef op 13-3-2014 21:53: The best way of actually kicking ad I. The nuts isn't the film itself. It's making a mass appeal in the film enough to get the media interested. The film will go viral if it's visually spectacular and can be identified with in more general rage against the machine terms, not a very specific gripe between users and a software supplier. I fully agree and I think Greg would work well in this role as a protagonist as he's gone viral before (and knows what he's doing... ;)) -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: A germ of an idea.
One more thing to consider, even before you start contemplating impact, is that you need something you can actually finish before the inevitable in-fighting kills all initiative... -- Leendert A. Hartog -- Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue -- Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: A germ of an idea.
I hope you're right. I'm just pointing this out because I've seen it happen before... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: MAYA community
I don't know about any mailing list, but on the forum side of things Luc-Eric Rousseau directed me to CGTalk... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: MAYA community
Brent McPherson schreef op 14-3-2014 16:48: On the topic of a list I personally like the mailing list format and have never been able to get into online forums (too much effort to read) so I guess I should get on the maya_he3d list as it sounds like the closest thing to this list. -- Brent Hi, Not to derail this conversation, but as an Admin @ the si-community the statement too much effort to read interests me. Could you perhaps elaborate a bit on that? -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: MAYA community
Chris Marshall schreef op 14-3-2014 17:28: With a mailing list you can view the latest topics at a glance, from the top. With a forum you always have to dig down into each section to see what's happening. On Si-community you have about 3 pages of top level headings. The most recent post could be to one of the sections lower down. Back in the day of XSI Base, it was a bit of both, as the most recent X posts were listed on the front page. That's my take on it. True, but easily fixed, obviously: bookmark the active topics page... -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: MAYA community
True, although forums do have their own benefits, obviously. I won't delve deeper into this now, I might start a new thread at a later date as the difference between forums and mailing list and the way they are perceived still is a fascinating subject IMHO. Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: MAYA community
You could just as easily subscribe to sub-forums or threads on the si-community (once you're a member), but, admittedly, currently you'd end up with reply notifications, not reply text, so you'd know how much was happening, but not exactly what was happening. But pointing your browser now and again to the Active Topics page of a forum doesn't sound like too much of a hassle, even if it is admittedly slightly less convenient. ;) Greetz Leendert Ed Harriss schreef op 14-3-2014 18:31: One of the things I liked about XSIBase was that you could subscribe to it just like you could subscribe to this list. All the posts came to your inbox the instant they were posted to the forum. You read what you wanted when you had time and you never missed anything. Each email had a link at the bottom if you wanted to reply. I don't even think most people knew XSIBase had this function. I used it all the time, it was awesome. Of course the point is moot now since it was destroyed by hackers. Perhaps a feature like this could be implemented in other forums? It would make many of the people on this list very happy. Maybe this feature already exists and I don't know about it? For this to work you still have to register. But once that's out of the way, you never even have to visit the again site except to reply to posts. Ed -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: MAYA community
PS - And to hurt my case even more :D, you'd probably only receive ONE notification until you log on again... Never tested this myself, I've got the Active Topics bookmarked. -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Open Letter to Carl Bass
Well, the true nature of an open letter is that it needs to be published, not sent! Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Open Letter to Carl Bass
What's the exact address of your Facebook page? That would seem a good place to link to... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Open Letter to Carl Bass
Let the retweeting commence... https://twitter.com/HiraziB/status/444888249572786176 @Angus - please do, I post too much as it is! Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Word from Cory Mogk?
I probably must have missed something, if so I am truly sorry, but I haven't heard anything from our PM, mr. Cory Mogk as of yet and I find that a bit strange, quite frankly. Anyone here knows what's going on there? Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Word from Cory Mogk?
Oh, I'm not saying we need him. I'm just saying that it is strange given his position as PM. -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Word from Cory Mogk?
That would actually explain a lot. Thanks! -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Autodesk response
Only fitting that it crashed... ;) -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Autodesk response
Oscar Juarez schreef op 17-3-2014 17:42: We are having technical difficulties with the streaming component, we are continuing with the recording and will post the session when the recording has finished. Which was what they should have done in the first place. Better yet: write it down and publish it as a pdf. -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Autodesk response
As a hobbyist I can only say: indeed! Chris Marshall schreef op 17-3-2014 19:04: Everyone who uses Softimage has a 'Significant ongoing investment' in it!!! Aaarrrgggh -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Open Letter to Carl Bass
But really? Do you actually expect an answer? And if you were to get one, would you expect to be anything else than a virtual get well soon card? Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Open Letter to Carl Bass
True. My reply perhaps sounded a bit too snarky. I think your mission is already accomplished! Nothing coming from mr. Bass short of a miracle can top that, I'm afraid. Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Softimage transition webinar is starting in 10 minutes
The one constant in both videos is notable also, of course... -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Softimage webinar - Q/A - finally uploaded
An unofficial EOL showreel might be an idea also, if you can get enough studios to participate... -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Softimage webinar - Q/A - finally uploaded
I was thinking the other day how runonce.bat could make a nice insider t-shirt slogan... -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Softimage transition comparison aid
The inclusion of Jimmy Saville seems to be rather inappropriate IMHO... - Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
planned transitional training?
This will probably have been answered elsewhere/earlier already, but I cannot find it... Will Autodesk be offering any tutorials (and such material) publicly, addressing the transition from Softimage to Max/Maya? And assuming it does, how and when will this take shape? A good comparison of the strengths and weaknesses of 3ds Max versus Maya might be good place to start for those of us as of yet undecided which one to chose. Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: planned transitional training?
Well, that's slightly less response than I had hoped for obviously, but in itself it's an answer too, I guess Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: planned transitional training?
Okay, thanks. Please make sure to make your plans known at the earliest possible date (as people start to stop believing anything will still come from AD in this respect and that you broadcast it to the widest range of users (i.e. not only the Mailing List). If you were to contact me directly, I could push the info on the si-community. Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: planned transitional training?
At this point a mere official announcement of the intentions would help tremendously I guess. People have a feeling of loss over Softimage and on top of that a feeling of being left alone in the dark concerning the transition. Telling them they can still expect transitional training might help lift some moods a little. Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: planned transitional training?
But that's an admittedly small part of the problem, isn't it? Autodesk expects people to transition to Max/Maya, deciding rather quickly between the two and obviously AD wants people to shy away from the competition, but cannot even commit itself clearly to some additional training material. While understandable on a rational level, it feels wrong... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: planned transitional training?
Sorry, now you're definitively picking on the wrong guy. I am not being overly negative in any way. I asked a question that didn't seem unreasonable. I even offered my help to get the message across. And we're having a follow-up on that. There are other threads that could benefit way more from this kind of criticism... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: planned transitional training?
You're right, everybody's a bit on edge. ;) Sorry for the misunderstanding! Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: planned transitional training?
I understand all this and I will even shut up about this for now (after this post). The planning of this, however, is bad. And that's not necessarily anybody's fault on a personal level and I don't blame anyone. But the idea that there seems to be nothing much in place so shortly before we get our hands on the 2015 generation is still something noteworthy. But that's all folks. I hope Jill understands that the offer I made to Maurice in an earlier mail in this thread, in that I am willing to help to get a message across to the si-community, still stands... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: planned transitional training?
Crystal clear! I await your further actions... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Oculus Rift
I have a feeling these kind of deals will have their ultimate impact on the whole Kickstarter business. Why would I want to invest in some small company through Kickstarter, when they use that money as a basis for a big sellout at some point in the near future? Or is that too cynical? Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Oculus Rift
Well. Right after an acquisition people tend to spin things rather positively... -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Oculus Rift
What I am saying is one should take statements right after an acquisition with more than a pinch of salt. Feel free to look up the acquisition press release for the Softimage acquisition by Autodesk. Petit added: “I’d like to reiterate that we plan to maintain and grow the Softimage product line. (http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?linkID=14271589id=12103372siteID=123112) Oh, how it grew... Which isn't meant as another dig at Autodesk BTW, just meant to prove a point. Greetz Leendert AKA Hirazi Blue -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Oculus Rift
Paul Doyle schreef op 26-3-2014 13:08: Can we not make this thread about the Soft EOL? Just one thread would be nice. Again: only meant as an example (we can all relate to) :D -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: planned transitional training?
I was thinking along the lines of training that addresses the specific problems for users coming from Softimage. I am aware of the wealth of training for Maya in general. Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Oculus Rift
All current sentiments aside, don't you think a company like Autodesk would have been able to put it to better use than Facebook, their core business considered? Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Fw: Re[4]: Everything's being said.
Price/investment-wise you should obviously take the much higher subscription fee into account. Something they apparently do make worth your while, i.e. support is good apparently, but still.. Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Fw: Re[4]: Everything's being said.
Oh, I agree for the most part. I was talking merely as an accountant (which I am not) The difference between AD's approach to support/subscription and SideFX's is quite telling (but so - in the end - is the price difference) Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Oculus Rift
Very OT: but in its large portfolio, does Autodesk do any hardware? Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Another alternative to Softimage
Oh, my remark wasn't about Autodesk or the state of the industry/other software for once. My remark was solely about the perception of Blender. We all do want to love it (yes, we do!), but it still falls short. And believe me, I've been sampling Blender since the beginning of this century, desperately wanting to love it just that little bit more... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Another alternative to Softimage
Oh, don't let my slight semantic cynicism fool you into thinking that I don't applaud them for what they're doing. Greetz Leendert Dan Yargici schreef op 28-3-2014 12:02: As with all things there is a threshold of economics/performance/convenience that needs to be crossed, but I believe we'll get there sooner rather than later and I applaud them for what they're doing. -- Leendert A. Hartog -- Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue -- Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com http://si-community.com -- Leendert A. Hartog -- Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue -- Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
March 28, 2014
As of March 28, 2014, customers will no longer be able to purchase new standalone licenses. In a commercial sense the product would seem to be absolutely dead now. A moment of silence would seem to be appropriate... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: March 28, 2014
True, but to me this is just sinking in: you cannot buy it anymore! For a commercial product that's quite a momentous occasion. Talk of EOL is something different, this is more or less tangible (???) (as in we are absolutely the last SI-generation). But I admit, I am a bit sentimental that way... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: March 28, 2014
Yet in my timezone it is... ;) -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: March 28, 2014
Interesting. Commemorating a momentous occasion in Softimage's lifetime does not belong on the list. Ah well, sorry for caring about the product then... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: March 28, 2014
Nobody claims otherwise... Paul schreef op 28-3-2014 20:43: It's still does if you're fortunate enough to use it. -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: March 28, 2014
I think noise is somewhat relative to what you actually want to achieve. Looking at the level of participation for 3dwillneverbethesame.com and the clear statements coming from Autodesk as to what most definitively isn't possible I doubt any amount of noise will help any ATM. Noise by itself isn't enough, there needs to be a plan behind it. And even then... Greetz Leendert AKA Hirazi Blue Tenshi S. schreef op 29-3-2014 12:24: Indeed, we need noise, in every cg online magazine. -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: March 28, 2014
Convincing statement! Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: An Open Letter to Carl Bass
Chris Vienneau schreef op 25-3-2014 17:33: To keep up, Softimage got features by integrating third party technology and those agreements are only for commercial versions of the software. Given they were not the market leader they often paid more for technology. For Softimage, here are the big things that are third party libraries that are part of the commercial offering: * Mental ray * Syflex * Shave and a hair cut * Physx * Lagoa Sorry to dig this up again, but I started wondering about this (and it isn't meant as some provocative line of questioning BTW), but Shave and a Haircut PhysX (the non-ICE variant obviously) were part of the non-commercial offering that was the Mod Tool 7.5. How was this made possible? Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: An Open Letter to Carl Bass
Correction to my earlier post: the ICE Variant of PhysX was included in the Mod Tool 7.5 as well... Silly oversight. Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Another alternative to Softimage
Dan Yargici schreef op 1-4-2014 8:41: I'm sorry but the interface is still terrible is just a cheap shot that is overused by people that have opened it for 10 minutes, found it's different, and closed it again. As someone how did a little bit more than merely opening it for 10 minutes, I agree that it's an overused criticism, but that sadly doesn't make it less true... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: 答复: Re[2]: March 28, 2014
Well, there still is a marked difference between someone who is ill-informed and makes an odd remark based on this and someone who actively engages/believes in conspiracy theories. Throwing the term conspiracy theory around in these kind of discussions somehow might give the impression someone is thinking the other to be some sort of nut-job. And such confusion should be avoided, I guess... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog �C Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue �C Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: 答复: Re[2]: March 28, 2014
I am not defending or even attacking anyone here. I posted my doubts over the use of the term conspiracy theory for what it implies... I do strongly feel it doesn't help any discussion to imply the other is a nut-job... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: 答复: Re[2]: March 28, 2014
Ah well, case closed then... -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Please Trim posts!!
Considering the mangled posts coming from mobile phones these days, autocorrect should be avoided at all cost IMHO. ;) Greetz Leendert Jason S schreef op 3-4-2014 21:07: On 04/03/14 14:37, Daniel Brassard wrote: * If somebody provides advice and or alternate methodology, thank*/_s_/* them for their input. * Use autocorrect to check spelling :) -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Transitional license 2015 releases
Okay, thanks. So this simply means, that I have to contact my reseller and not have to wait for the reseller to contact me? It does seem a bit inefficient to use the reseller network for this, when AD could easily gather all data globally (through the subscription center?)... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Transitional license 2015 releases
An additional question that came up on the si-community: where should those users turn to who currently do not have a reseller, due to lapsed subscription, but who still want to get back on board? Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Transitional license 2015 releases
Thanks -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: What about Online material Online Activation stuff
Looking at the state of the Softimage Wiki, I wouldn't worry too much about its future. The frontpage banner still commemorates the release of Softimage 2013, while Softimage 2014 is being mentioned (as an afterthought?). The feature history hasn't been updated after Softimage 2013. To name just a few problems... As Alen Fregtman correctly states: the Wayback Machine is your friend. And the main content that's worth saving will already have been gathered by their snapshots by now... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Humanize Maya project
Too bad, though, that they/you never got around to make a corresponding Softimage interaction mode for Maya. The current PPG (for lack of a Mayan term) still seems a bit strange, only offering one option. Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Humanize Maya project
Brent McPherson schreef op 11-4-2014 17:18: You almost never see market leaders making these types of moves as the potential returns will be much smaller. But once they started sharing suites together, the story changed ever so slightly, one would image... ;) Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Humanize Maya project
It indeed didn't make any sense for Autodesk to take Softimage users serious enough to accommodate them, make them feel at home a little... Insert smiley here... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: si-community posting problem
It has been reported before and I had hoped our last attempt at fixing another major problem had made it go away as well. Try switching to the other style (from subsilver2 to subsilver_black or vice-versa). This seems to work for most. We think there is something wrong in our style template, and owei corrected something recently, but apparently not everything... Shucks. Greetz Leendert PS So why do I write this in English? :D PS2: Please report back... -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: si-community posting problem
The English remark in my PS was made before I figured out Eugen's post came through the Mailing List BTW. -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: ICE CrowdFX Compound
Weird, I just looked closer: the attached webmail.dat I reported earlier has 0 bytes in it. Thunderbird as a mail client, though. Maybe an idea to distribute them through a downloadable web address? If you can get them to me, I'd be more than willing to place them on the si-community server... My si-community.com address starts the same as this live.nl one... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: C y'all
While I am definitively not really qualified to suggest this: as there would seem to be an exodus of sorts starting it might be an idea to look into the idea of severing this list from Autodesk to make it future-proof (with room for all the old people and all the new apps). Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: C y'all
Ognjen Vukovic schreef op 25-4-2014 14:05: There is a linkedIn softimage mailing list user backup group, there was also a thread about it posted earlier, should be back a page or two Oh, don't get me wrong: I don't claim to have had this brilliant idea myself. I'm just saying now might be a good time to look into it more thoroughly. And linkedin is nice to backup the group, but it's no Mailing List AFAIK. Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: C y'all
Some of your trust in the willingness of Autodesk to keep this List alive in the long(er) run, once many, if not most, of its discussions start to have no bearing on Autodesk products whatsoever (and when ending it, doing so in a non-abrupt manner, allowingfor a gentle “transition” to any kind of new List) is interesting considering the prevailing sentiment on this same List towards Autodesk in the last couple of weeks. The idea wasn’t even to start a new list tomorrow BTW, the idea was to explore that route a little BEFORE Autodesk decides to close this List down. Which it will eventually… But enough of this. Point taken… ;) Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: C y'all
So what does that extremely rare breed of people do who aren't on LinkedIn? Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: C y'all
Ha ha... Greetz Leendert PS - I can't for undisclosed reasons... -- Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com
