Re: Re[2]: Aster Lion topping with water
Tom, Thanks, I had discussed the fittings with Bob Paule but so unfortunately he didn't have the opportunity to pursue the matter. Geoff Geoff Having worked RD in the medical industry I was aware of the variety of luer fittings available. I always concentrated on the stainless steel ones and never even gave a thought to the nylon ones being useful. After Diamondhead I will check and see if we can start stocking some of the luer-lok fittings for tubing. Probably just fittings for 3/32 and 1/8 tubing. Keep steaming, Tom Eaton Sulphur Springs Steam Models - Original Message - From: Geoff Spenceley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam sslivesteam@colegroup.com Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: Aster Lion topping with water Joe, Thanks for the site, altho the fittings seem too big. I use Ark-Plas fittingsa lot. They are nylon I believe, very inexpensive and close with about a 1/4 turn, good up to 60psi or more. I have one installed my Schools but use them mostly for air connections when testing my locos big and little. They are not designed for connecting when the line is pressurized but work very well where there is no pressure or when connecting where there is a check valve. They only sell them in bulk, so they sent me quite a few gratis! This was several years ago and I have had complete success-- with hot water too. Ark-Plas Products Flippin, AR (501) 453-2343 There are lots of sites on them-I suggest you search Yahoo for Ark-Plas Products and you'll find lots about Ark-Plas for information , now I have to explore myself! --I think Sulphur Springs should carry them! A short hose to could fitted to the tender feed of a Lion and Gary could use his Trackside pump quite effectively--No fiddly screwing - almost as quick as inserting the Squirt bottle tube Geoff
Re[2]: Aster Lion topping with water
Hi Gary We use small diameter quick connectors for our gas tanks. These can also be used for water etc. They are a miniature version of the fittings used on compressed air hoses etc. just pull back the outside ring and there you are. If they hold gas pressure they'll hold water pressures in our boilers. Oh, before I sign off: Seasons greetings to the whole gang from Austria. Bert - Bert Edmunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re[2]: Aster Lion topping with water
Hello, Would something like this work: http://www.snap-tite.com/Quick_Disconnect/general_purpose_poppet_coupling/h_series/index.html For the Lion, the tender inlet would have to be modified. Regards, Joe Hi Gary We use small diameter quick connectors for our gas tanks. These can also be used for water etc. They are a miniature version of the fittings used on compressed air hoses etc. just pull back the outside ring and there you are. If they hold gas pressure they'll hold water pressures in our boilers. Oh, before I sign off: Seasons greetings to the whole gang from Austria. Bert - Bert Edmunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re[2]: Aster Lion topping with water
and here is another possible solution... http://www.colder.com/asp_main/MCTS.asp I would imagine the supplied tender inlet and hose would be totally replaced by a longer hose and the disconnect bits. Regards, Joe Hello, Would something like this work: http://www.snap-tite.com/Quick_Disconnect/general_purpose_poppet_coupling/h_seri es/index.html For the Lion, the tender inlet would have to be modified. Regards, Joe Hi Gary We use small diameter quick connectors for our gas tanks. These can also be used for water etc. They are a miniature version of the fittings used on compressed air hoses etc. just pull back the outside ring and there you are. If they hold gas pressure they'll hold water pressures in our boilers. Oh, before I sign off: Seasons greetings to the whole gang from Austria. Bert - Bert Edmunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re[2]: Aster Lion topping with water
Well now, that does look right handy! | Hello, | | Would something like this work: | | http://www.snap-tite.com/Quick_Disconnect/general_purpose_poppet_coupling/h_series/index.html | | For the Lion, the tender inlet would have to be modified. | | | | Regards, | Joe | | | Hi Gary | | We use small diameter quick connectors for our gas tanks. These can also | be used for water etc. They are a miniature version of the fittings | used on compressed air hoses etc. just pull back the outside ring and | there you are. If they hold gas pressure they'll hold water pressures | in our boilers. | | Oh, before I sign off: Seasons greetings to the whole gang from Austria. | | Bert | | | - | Bert Edmunda | [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
Re: Re[2]: Aster Lion topping with water
Joe, Thanks for the site, altho the fittings seem too big. I use Ark-Plas fittingsa lot. They are nylon I believe, very inexpensive and close with about a 1/4 turn, good up to 60psi or more. I have one installed my Schools but use them mostly for air connections when testing my locos big and little. They are not designed for connecting when the line is pressurized but work very well where there is no pressure or when connecting where there is a check valve. They only sell them in bulk, so they sent me quite a few gratis! This was several years ago and I have had complete success-- with hot water too. Ark-Plas Products Flippin, AR (501) 453-2343 There are lots of sites on them-I suggest you search Yahoo for Ark-Plas Products and you'll find lots about Ark-Plas for information , now I have to explore myself! --I think Sulphur Springs should carry them! A short hose to could fitted to the tender feed of a Lion and Gary could use his Trackside pump quite effectively--No fiddly screwing - almost as quick as inserting the Squirt bottle tube Geoff Hello, Would something like this work: http://www.snap-tite.com/Quick_Disconnect/general_purpose_poppet_coupling/h_series/index.html For the Lion, the tender inlet would have to be modified. Regards, Joe Hi Gary We use small diameter quick connectors for our gas tanks. These can also be used for water etc. They are a miniature version of the fittings used on compressed air hoses etc. just pull back the outside ring and there you are. If they hold gas pressure they'll hold water pressures in our boilers. Oh, before I sign off: Seasons greetings to the whole gang from Austria. Bert - Bert Edmunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re[2]: Aster Lion topping with water
You mention the Ark-Plas are not for use when the line is pressurized. I was wondering if connection to a Goodall type valve is technically considered pressurized. The valve has no pressure when connecting, but of course when one begins to pump then pressure is being pumped against through a one way valve. So, can the Ark-Plas connect through a check valve? | Joe, | | Thanks for the site, altho the fittings seem too big. I use Ark-Plas | fittingsa lot. They are nylon I believe, very inexpensive and close | with about a 1/4 turn, good up to 60psi or more. I have one installed | my Schools but use them mostly for air connections when testing my | locos big and little. They are not designed for connecting when the | line is pressurized but work very well where there is no pressure | or when connecting where there is a check valve. They only sell them | in bulk, so they sent me quite a few gratis! This was several years | ago and I have had complete success-- with hot water too. | | Ark-Plas Products Flippin, AR (501) 453-2343
Re: Re[2]: Aster Lion topping with water
Joe, The fittings will will work great with a Goodall valve which is just a check valve anyway. The line is not pressurized until the check valve is forced open when the the water is injected under pressure. Geoff You mention the Ark-Plas are not for use when the line is pressurized. I was wondering if connection to a Goodall type valve is technically considered pressurized. The valve has no pressure when connecting, but of course when one begins to pump then pressure is being pumped against through a one way valve. So, can the Ark-Plas connect through a check valve? | Joe, | | Thanks for the site, altho the fittings seem too big. I use Ark-Plas | fittingsa lot. They are nylon I believe, very inexpensive and close | with about a 1/4 turn, good up to 60psi or more. I have one installed | my Schools but use them mostly for air connections when testing my | locos big and little. They are not designed for connecting when the | line is pressurized but work very well where there is no pressure | or when connecting where there is a check valve. They only sell them | in bulk, so they sent me quite a few gratis! This was several years | ago and I have had complete success-- with hot water too. | | Ark-Plas Products Flippin, AR (501) 453-2343
Re[4]: Aster Lion topping with water
Hi Just had a look at the web site . Yes these are the sort of things . Be carefull about the air vent valve when filling with gas. Some just crack the gas valve. Bert - Bert Edmunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[4]: Aster Lion topping with water
Geof. There are fittings that get down to M5x05, Sorry 5mm fine thread. Thats quite small. Bert - Bert Edmunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[4]: Aster Lion topping with water
Bert,. Thanks,--Guess I didn't look deep enough!!- I'm going back. BTW. If one deals with Aster, they know what M5 is ! Geoff. Geof. There are fittings that get down to M5x05, Sorry 5mm fine thread. Thats quite small. Bert - Bert Edmunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re[2]: Aster Lion topping with water
Bert, Those coupler would work to install a gas line into the on board fuel tank then? That would certainly make things easier here. I am working on adding a line to the onboard fuel tank so I can use the fuel regulator for propane. I will have the propane tank run thru its regulator and then thru this connector into the fuel tank. That way I can run propane during the winter and Butane for summer if I don't want to be hauling a trail car behind me all the time! Andre'
Aster Lion topping with water
A syringe is not practical unless you have vice like hands and the syringe and tubing are made of metal. The pump bottle I got from Roundhouse worked for awhile before failing. Aster sells a nice Trackside Pump http://www.southernsteamtrains.com/inventory.htm that will work until I die so I can have my club buddies fight over who gets it because they were still buying plastic pump bottles to save money. Personally the $70.00 or so is well worth the money sent to http://www.sssmodels.com/ or any other dealer. Do you have a Goddall type valve already installed to allow injection of fresh water? I have found any of the live steam suppliers are very helpful in discussing possible solutions and needed supplies. Personally, I have ordered from Southern Steam Trains and Sulphur Springs Steam Models the most. Steaming Sparking over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon ~ Gary http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor | Is it better to use a syringe, as supplied, or a modified spray bottle | to top up the boiler with water? | | Regards, | Joe |
Re: Aster Lion topping with water
Gary, I agree with you and the trackside pump is fine in many instances, I use one but I find that it is not practical for a quick injection to top up a small boiler like that of the Lion. One can put water in with a bottle pump very quickly- a second or two -try that with the trackside pump! In the case of my Darjeeling class B the Aster pump would be a slow awkward process whereas the squirt bottle tops up with a few pumps. while the loco is hardly stopped. Each gadget has it's place. I find I now use the bottle pump nearly all the time--one is 12 years old! I do have one Aster pump grafted into the Aster Schools tender and that is great! The other one sits idle most of the time. BTW, What fitting do you use on the Aster pump hose to connect to your locos? Geoff A syringe is not practical unless you have vice like hands and the syringe and tubing are made of metal. The pump bottle I got from Roundhouse worked for awhile before failing. Aster sells a nice Trackside Pump http://www.southernsteamtrains.com/inventory.htm that will work until I die so I can have my club buddies fight over who gets it because they were still buying plastic pump bottles to save money. Personally the $70.00 or so is well worth the money sent to http://www.sssmodels.com/ or any other dealer. Do you have a Goddall type valve already installed to allow injection of fresh water? I have found any of the live steam suppliers are very helpful in discussing possible solutions and needed supplies. Personally, I have ordered from Southern Steam Trains and Sulphur Springs Steam Models the most. Steaming Sparking over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon ~ Gary http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor | Is it better to use a syringe, as supplied, or a modified spray bottle | to top up the boiler with water? | | Regards, | Joe |
Re: Aster Lion topping with water
Ah drat! I forgot about that awful screw connector end that comes with the Aster pump. Perhaps buying a few bottle pumps is better. If you get a bad bottle or two, then just buy another one and it might be the one that is manufactured well. Or cut off the screw end and crimp on the hose size required for your Goodall fitting. Why hasn't a steam fitting been made that works like a bicycle pump for high pressure tires? They hold over 100 psi without a problem and clamp on the tire valve. Seems a similar fitting could be very handy for our little dragons. I also found a Oil Can from Harbor Freight worked great until it discovered that I was pumping water instead of oil! | BTW, What fitting do you use on the Aster pump hose to connect to your locos? | | Geoff
