Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Read 71
So accessing the frame in ebook mode - is probably not something you do in your ebook workflow (at least on an olpc without touchpad support). Correct - and dedicating a frame button on the tablet mode is probably something I would not do (we don't have too many buttons accessible in tablet mode) Incorrect. Since I use the XO-1 for reading ebooks while traveling with public transport regurarly, I can clearly see the need for not only frame support but for handling the laptop from the keyboard even in ebook mode. What important is that volume/brightness level and magnification (and anything activity specific) should be available from ebook mode at least via some menu (and no submenus please). You should not dedicate a full button to this menu, probably holding the rotate screen button for 1 sec is the correct method activating this menu (which would take over cursor keys and the 4 game buttons), and while the menu is on screen, pressing the rotate screen button would hide it. (It also requires to activate screen rotation when the rotate screen button is released, not when it is pressed. Also it could have some delay so pressing 3 times fast in a row would rotate to the other direction, no need to reflow and redraw the screen 3 times.) See, developing this functionality will be hard (because Sugar does not have framework support for it) and probably you have some better things to do now but at least putting this functionality on the roadmap would be cool. ps: Note that the Frame is an usability problem what is evident if you want to use it via the keyboard (and will be even more problematic when the XO will have touchscreen support). Of course it is only my humble opinion and we all know how much opinions worth :) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Read 71
2009/8/8 NoiseEHC noise...@freemail.hu: So accessing the frame in ebook mode - is probably not something you do in your ebook workflow (at least on an olpc without touchpad support). Correct - and dedicating a frame button on the tablet mode is probably something I would not do (we don't have too many buttons accessible in tablet mode) Incorrect. Since I use the XO-1 for reading ebooks while traveling with public transport regurarly, I can clearly see the need for not only frame support but for handling the laptop from the keyboard even in ebook mode. What important is that volume/brightness level and magnification (and anything activity specific) should be available from ebook mode at least via some menu (and no submenus please). You should not dedicate a full button to this menu, probably holding the rotate screen button for 1 sec is the correct method activating this menu (which would take over cursor keys and the 4 game buttons), and while the menu is on screen, pressing the rotate screen button would hide it. (It also requires to activate screen rotation when the rotate screen button is released, not when it is pressed. Also it could have some delay so pressing 3 times fast in a row would rotate to the other direction, no need to reflow and redraw the screen 3 times.) Holding buttons does not work in current stable builds (both 8.2.x and F11 based) due to a bug in Xorg (XkbSetDetectableAutoRepeat() does not seem to work correctly). That's why there is a major crisis of button real estate in ebook mode right now :-) Thanks, Sayamindu -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Backup and Restore for Sugar on a Stick
Hello Tomeu, The modifications are intended for SoaS only but I'm programming them in such a way that they should not break if Sugar is running on SoaS. Although I already have patches in the form of diffs, they were not created using 'git format-patch. I've read the code review procedures and will get to work making the preparations. Thanks, Ham On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 10:39 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 15:29, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: This email is especially for Miguel Salazar and the Chiapas deployment. The code for backup and restore of Sugar Sticks using the XS is awaiting code review, if you can please test it. http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/916 http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1124 Is it intended to be integrated in Sugar? Or only for SoaS? If it's for Sugar, then please follow the review process outlined here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/CodeReview Thanks, Tomeu Thanks, Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Backup and Restore for Sugar on a Stick
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:01, Hamilton Chuahamilton.c...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Tomeu, The modifications are intended for SoaS only So you don't want the patches to be applied to upstream Sugar? Only to be in SoaS images? but I'm programming them in such a way that they should not break if Sugar is running on SoaS. I'm confused, did you meant to say not break if _not_ running on SoaS? Although I already have patches in the form of diffs, they were not created using 'git format-patch. I've read the code review procedures and will get to work making the preparations. Thanks, feedback about the process and its documentation is much appreciated. Tomeu Thanks, Ham On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 10:39 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 15:29, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: This email is especially for Miguel Salazar and the Chiapas deployment. The code for backup and restore of Sugar Sticks using the XS is awaiting code review, if you can please test it. http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/916 http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1124 Is it intended to be integrated in Sugar? Or only for SoaS? If it's for Sugar, then please follow the review process outlined here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/CodeReview Thanks, Tomeu Thanks, Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] activity not getting installed with sugar-install-bundle
Hi Tomeu, Thanx a lot for your reply and for all the support you have given throughout the development. Hi, you need to run that command from the terminal activity. Yes, I was using Terminal activity only to do it. Anyways, the problem has been solved now, the activity can now be installed using the sugar-install-bundle command. Regards, VIJIT Regards, Tomeu Regards, sumit ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Snapshot shipping Sugar 0.85.2
Hi everybody, we've a new snapshot ready for you including the latest Sugar 0.85.2 release (except etoys, which is still being packaged). Also, this release ships now with the firstboot wizard, as discussed during FUDCon. The latter one allows you to change your keyboard settings before logging in, as well as to submit your hardware profile information using smolt. More information will follow soonish. Also note that we've pulled the latest activity release from a.sl.o, which should fix some bugs. Finally, here are the links: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/3/SoaS3-200908072039.iso http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/appliances/soas3-20090807.zip Thanks and happy testing, --Sebastian ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Snapshot shipping Sugar 0.85.2
Sebastian Dziallas wrote: Hi everybody, we've a new snapshot ready for you including the latest Sugar 0.85.2 release (except etoys, which is still being packaged). Also, this release ships now with the firstboot wizard, as discussed during FUDCon. The latter one allows you to change your keyboard settings before logging in, as well as to submit your hardware profile information using smolt. More information will follow soonish. Also note that we've pulled the latest activity release from a.sl.o, which should fix some bugs. Finally, here are the links: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/3/SoaS3-200908072039.iso http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/appliances/soas3-20090807.zip Looks like I'm shooting out announcements too quickly! So here's the thing: We'd like to evaluate new possibilities of gathering feedback and Luke has kindly set up an instance to do so (as discussed on IAEP). So if you've any general feedback, issues or ideas, you could start using it. Please report how it worked for you and what you think. Here's the link: http://getsatisfaction.com/sugarlabs Thanks and happy testing, --Sebastian ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Backup and Restore for Sugar on a Stick
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:07 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I'm confused, did you meant to say not break if _not_ running on SoaS? I've asked for a rework on the patch so that it works on the olpc os (w sugar 0.82) as well as on SoaS. The compat needs are easy so I rather have an if() clause here and there than 2 packages, one for each. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Artwork Request for SoaS: Firstboot Theme
Hi everybody, as I've recently mentioned on-list SoaS now ships firstboot, which is a tool to configure some system-related stuff at... well, first boot! ;) So as this is usually quite Fedora-branded and since we aren't able to ship that trademarked logo, it would be great if we could get some Sugar branding here, just like for the boot screen. Basically, we'd need some .png files for that. To see what's exactly needed, you can download the latest snapshot and check the /usr/share/firstboot/themes directory, or you can grab the generic-logos package from here: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=101905 The following three files are concerned: * firstboot-left.png * splash-small.png * workstation.png It would certainly be great to get this done in time for the SoaS v2 Beta Release at the end of August... Cheers, --Sebastian ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] bender: new uplink change of IP, Aug 8 18:30 CEST
With the occasion of today's Develer's network reshaping, we're able to relocate our KVM host bender to the same rack where trinity also lives. This allows us to switch sooner than expected to the new uplink provided by Consiagnet, which comes with a public IPv4 address, lower latency and 10mbit of bandwidth in both directions. The link will be shared with Develer when they complete the transition to Consiagnet. The machine will be down for one hour or so while we reconfigure the link. The IPv6 address of the sixxs.net tunnel will not change for the time being, but I'm also planning to start testing a simpler 6to4 scheme and drop the AYIYA tunnel soon-ish. We could also add IPv4 port forwarding for the VMs, but I expect that 6to4 won't be as unreliable as the sixxs.net service has been. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Who's interested in testing a new installer for SoaS?
Hi everybody, I'm looking for some volunteers to test the hard disk installation with the latest SoaS snapshot and newly designed installer. Since this upstream project is really in the early stages of development but also concerns a pretty critical part of SoaS, I'd prefer getting some testing before throwing it in a snapshot and possibly breaking stuff. If you're interested and aware of the risk, please drop me a line. Thanks, --Sebastian ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Physics] Rollerball
Hi, I just committed a new version of the Physics activity that has the roll tool. Of course we need a better name for the tool. It wouldn't bother me to remove the motor tool now. The behavior of a pinned rolling body is similar enough. The tool stores two parameters in a clicked body: the target angular velocity and the strength of the roll. I hope you can give me all of your opinions. It's fun to create a marching box army :-) Greetings, Asaf On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Asaf Paris Mandokiasa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, When we had our IRC meeting we talked about adding a rotational actuator that wasn't pinned. I suggested replacing the current motor with this free actuator. What was the concern raised by replacing the motor tool with the rotation actuator? I really think we should replace it completely, at least for now that we don't have a layered toolbar. The behavior I have in mind is somehow like what I showed you but It will apply the same angular acceleration to big and small objects until they reach a max angular velocity. I think that will be quite similar to the motor tool except that it wouldn't be pinned. Greetings, Asaf ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Physics] Rollerball
On 9 Aug 2009, at 00:44, Asaf Paris Mandoki wrote: Hi, I just committed a new version of the Physics activity that has the roll tool. Of course we need a better name for the tool. It wouldn't bother me to remove the motor tool now. The behavior of a pinned rolling body is similar enough. The tool stores two parameters in a clicked body: the target angular velocity and the strength of the roll. I hope you can give me all of your opinions. It's fun to create a marching box army :-) Fab, I'll give it a test later tonight! How close are you to committing your new json save format? Still hoping to test ASAP that so we can get a v3 release out the door :-) Regards, --Gary Greetings, Asaf On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Asaf Paris Mandokiasa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, When we had our IRC meeting we talked about adding a rotational actuator that wasn't pinned. I suggested replacing the current motor with this free actuator. What was the concern raised by replacing the motor tool with the rotation actuator? I really think we should replace it completely, at least for now that we don't have a layered toolbar. The behavior I have in mind is somehow like what I showed you but It will apply the same angular acceleration to big and small objects until they reach a max angular velocity. I think that will be quite similar to the motor tool except that it wouldn't be pinned. Greetings, Asaf ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Backup and Restore for Sugar on a Stick
but I'm programming them in such a way that they should not break if Sugar is running on SoaS. I'm confused, did you meant to say not break if _not_ running on SoaS? Haha, yes sorry. I meant that it should not break when running in an OLPC Laptop :-) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Who's interested in testing a new installer for SoaS?
I am interested in testing it (mainly on VMs (Fusion and VirtualBox) on Mac and QEMU on Windows) Ton van Overbeek On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Sebastian Dziallassebast...@when.com wrote: Hi everybody, I'm looking for some volunteers to test the hard disk installation with the latest SoaS snapshot and newly designed installer. Since this upstream project is really in the early stages of development but also concerns a pretty critical part of SoaS, I'd prefer getting some testing before throwing it in a snapshot and possibly breaking stuff. If you're interested and aware of the risk, please drop me a line. Thanks, --Sebastian ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Who's interested in testing a new installer for SoaS?
I can test in several distros in VirtualBox. On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Sebastian Dziallassebast...@when.com wrote: Hi everybody, I'm looking for some volunteers to test the hard disk installation with the latest SoaS snapshot and newly designed installer. Since this upstream project is really in the early stages of development but also concerns a pretty critical part of SoaS, I'd prefer getting some testing before throwing it in a snapshot and possibly breaking stuff. If you're interested and aware of the risk, please drop me a line. Thanks, --Sebastian ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Who's interested in testing a new installer for SoaS?
I can test on several desktop systems that are on standby for this kind of thing ... but exactly when I test depends on when the image is available and how large it is. If you can advise date and approximate size I can put it into my schedule. Can also test on VirtualBox, but then so can everyone. ;-) -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
