Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS on Dell mini inspiron 10
Hi Russell, I just bought a Dell mini 10 to try SOAS on. I usually run SOAS on an ASUS 701 and it all works lovely. On the Dell mini 10 the trackpad is incredibly (unusabley) sensitive. Also the wireless networking is not working. I bought the mini 10 with the upgraded Dell wireless 1510 half mini card (802.1n). If I boot into the pre-installed Ubuntu 8.04 the wireless networking works (and the trackpad is not mental). I presume you got the Dell Mini 10v (not the plain 10). The plain 10 has a gma-500 Poulsbo graphics chipset and isn't supported. The 10v has the well supported gma-950 chipset. My questions are: 1) Is there a HLC for SOAS? Not sure what a HLC is. 2) Is there a way to set the trackpad sensitivity with SOAS? Not sure its possible from sugar but you might be able to run gnome-mouse-properties from the terminal and set the trackpad stuff there. 3) Is there a way to trouble shoot the wireless network card issue? With regards to the wireless the Broadcom chipset isn't well supported but you might like to try to install the b43-openfwwf package as its a firmware that supports some broadcom chips. yum install -y b43-openfwwf I would be very interested to know if/how it works with that chipset. I've also heard of people buying an intel wifi m-pci card off ebay and swapping them out.. I'm not a total linux noob but I am not a sys admin or a linux systems developer (I've learnt through struggling through really). I've googled for SOAS on the dell mini 10. There are some articles about the mini 9 but nothing I have seen is relevant to my issues. The mini 9 and the 10v are quite similar hardware wise so there should be some useful information. If I get it sorted I will certainly write up a blog post about it so that the Dell mini 10 can be seen as a viable platform for Sugar. At less then 200 quid for a 10 inch netbook it would seem to be a good target platform. Excellent. It would also be useful if you could register a smolt profile for it so we can fully document the specs. You can do this by yum install -y smolt and then running the command smoltSendProfile to register the hardware. If then provides you a public url. Regards, Peter ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] RFH - Journal corruption reports fom 8.2.1
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Jim Simmonsnices...@gmail.com wrote: Martin, For what it's worth, I've experienced this running the Sugar test environment in both Fedora 10 and 11. It would not seem to be specific to .82. The way to reproduce the problem is to run the Sugar environment in Xephyr (sugar-emulator). Do some stuff, then instead of shutting down cleanly click on the close button on the Xephyr window. That will close your Sugar session and practically guarantee that the next time you open it your Sugar Journal will be empty. I regret to say that I've done this a few times. I do this all the time and have never had a Journal corruption error in Xephyr. Curious. -walter James Simmons Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:56:17 +0200 From: Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com Subject: [Sugar-devel] RFH - Journal corruption reports fom 8.2.1 users in Uy To: OLPC Devel de...@lists.laptop.org, Sugar-dev Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Message-ID: 46a038f90908200956h436459f3j9fa7b29bb111d...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On olpc-sur we're seeing reports of my journal contents disappeared after reboot. (Thread starts at http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-sur/2009-August/004177.html ) This reminds me a lot of the issues we saw earlier in development of what became 8.2.x -- if for any reason Sugar doesn't like the Journal contents or indexes, it moves the 'datastore' directory aside, and starts anew. That's my hunch, and I am hoping to hear confirmation from the users reporting the problem. Two pleas for help - A sugar activity that does some data-recovery and freeing up the space. The good news is that we have a json file with the metadata for each Journal entry, so we can either load it back into the Journal (mstone had published a cli script that exports/imports to the Journal?) or create Journal Entry Bundles and save them to a USB stick. I suspect the JEB path might help users more -- if the Journal is choking on some specific metadata, a script that reloads it all in one go will make it choke again. Having files as JEBs allows step-by-step attempts. - Diagnosis. If it's something we can pin down, it'll be great to have a fix! This will surely involve getting in touch with teachers on olpc-sur. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] any luck w/ venkman?
hey subzero, I have been trying to use the latest version of venkman w/ ff 3.5 . I can't get it to stop on breakpoints or actually do any debugging w/ it. Has it worked for you? -- Bryan W. Berry Technology Director OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Broadcom Driver installations was Re: SOAS on Dell mini inspiron 10
Sebastian, Mel, How is it going getting broadcom support incorporated upstream? Will this be in the next release? thanks! Caroline On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Russell Brown misterr...@googlemail.comwrote: On 22 Aug 2009, at 11:31, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Russell, I just bought a Dell mini 10 to try SOAS on. I usually run SOAS on an ASUS 701 and it all works lovely. On the Dell mini 10 the trackpad is incredibly (unusabley) sensitive. Also the wireless networking is not working. I bought the mini 10 with the upgraded Dell wireless 1510 half mini card (802.1n). If I boot into the pre-installed Ubuntu 8.04 the wireless networking works (and the trackpad is not mental). I presume you got the Dell Mini 10v (not the plain 10). The plain 10 has a gma-500 Poulsbo graphics chipset and isn't supported. The 10v has the well supported gma-950 chipset. I guess I did as everything else, excepting the above, works fine. My questions are: 1) Is there a HLC for SOAS? Not sure what a HLC is. Neither am I. I meant Hardware Compatibility List. 2) Is there a way to set the trackpad sensitivity with SOAS? Not sure its possible from sugar but you might be able to run gnome-mouse-properties from the terminal and set the trackpad stuff there. 3) Is there a way to trouble shoot the wireless network card issue? With regards to the wireless the Broadcom chipset isn't well supported but you might like to try to install the b43-openfwwf package as its a firmware that supports some broadcom chips. yum install -y b43-openfwwf I would be very interested to know if/how it works with that chipset. I've also heard of people buying an intel wifi m-pci card off ebay and swapping them out.. I'm not a total linux noob but I am not a sys admin or a linux systems developer (I've learnt through struggling through really). I've googled for SOAS on the dell mini 10. There are some articles about the mini 9 but nothing I have seen is relevant to my issues. The mini 9 and the 10v are quite similar hardware wise so there should be some useful information. If I get it sorted I will certainly write up a blog post about it so that the Dell mini 10 can be seen as a viable platform for Sugar. At less then 200 quid for a 10 inch netbook it would seem to be a good target platform. Excellent. It would also be useful if you could register a smolt profile for it so we can fully document the specs. You can do this by yum install -y smolt and then running the command smoltSendProfile to register the hardware. If then provides you a public url. I will do that. Many thanks for your help. Russell Regards, Peter ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] New snapshot on the way...
Dave Bauer wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com mailto:sebast...@when.com wrote: Hi everybody, we've a new SoaS snapshot ready for testing. Here are the major changes: - We just made the switch to Rawhide (which is supposed to become F12). So watch out for any breakages - and shout if you notice any! :) - We now ship the shiny new zyx-liveinstaller! This is a very early alpha implementation which installs the contents of your USB key to a hard disk (which you'll need to partition manually with the included gparted for now). It features a rebootless installation feature, meaning that after the installation has finished, you should already be able to unplug the USB key. If you encounter any issues especially related to this new technology, please let us know immediately, given that this is somewhat critical for the release. Does this allow you to create a full install onto anoter USB yet? Sorry for the late reply. Well, I think upstream made some progress, however I heard there was still some stuff to work out. Maybe we can find a way to duplicate USB keys using livecd-iso-to-disk (that was suggested in RHBZ #448030). I'll ping Jeremy. --Sebastian Thanks Dave ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] UI mockups
Hi Aleksey, On 22 Aug 2009, at 15:05, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 05:12:34PM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: [forwarded from christian] Hi all, I've attached two (annotated) PDFs with mockups of the issues we talked about on Sunday. The first has several options for the Journal, exploring various toolbars, the grid view, and tagging; the second looks at simple vs. complex toolbars in activities. Make sure you read the annotations, and let me know what you think. Once we have reached a consensus, I can generate PNGs and post to the wiki. Christian PS. Let's also figure out a time to chat, unless email seems sufficient. I can be available for a short time around 10am (EST)/2pm (UTC) tomorrow morning, if necessary. [1] http://shell.sugarlabs.org/~erikos/090818_journal_thumbnails.pdf [2] http://shell.sugarlabs.org/~erikos/090818_toolbars.pdf You can try Thumbs view implementation from cloned repo[3] or see screenshot[4]. Hey wow fantastic, I didn't think thumb view was going to make it in! :-) In comparing with mockups it has lack of multi selection and sorting features, I heard that we are not in consensus on that(?) * using check boxes of Shift key to multi select Well I'm for the Shift key for multi select :-) but whatever selection method is used, it would need to be consistent with the list view as well, and need its functions thought through carefully (e.g. multi item erase, copy, favourite, send to... etc). Seems like a large project all of it's own so likely best not to try and add multi select now. * using title like buttons[5] or something else Again, different types of sorting seems not well thought through for Journal list and thumb view, likely best not to try and add that feature until we have solid designs requirements. Using the various existing toolbar filters seems good enough. Also I moved details button from cell bottom to the left. I'd be tempted to put it right below the star icon (see mock-up below) [3] http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/repos/thumbs I haven't tested yet, will try and see if I can get this working in my sugar-jhbuild set-up later. [4] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Thumbs.png [5] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Designs/Journal#10 Based on your Thumbs.png I made some quick tweaks: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Thumb_view_mockup_edit_gary.png - Titles are bold to help separate them from the date text - Details button has been moved up under star so buttons are together - Extra vertical space added between each row of thumbs so title is far from next thumb below - Title text moved closer to its own thumb, again to make sure matching text and thumb are seen together Cant wait to give this a try out :-) Regards, --Gary ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS on Dell mini inspiron 10
On 22 Aug 2009, at 11:31, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Russell, I just bought a Dell mini 10 to try SOAS on. I usually run SOAS on an ASUS 701 and it all works lovely. On the Dell mini 10 the trackpad is incredibly (unusabley) sensitive. Also the wireless networking is not working. I bought the mini 10 with the upgraded Dell wireless 1510 half mini card (802.1n). If I boot into the pre-installed Ubuntu 8.04 the wireless networking works (and the trackpad is not mental). I presume you got the Dell Mini 10v (not the plain 10). The plain 10 has a gma-500 Poulsbo graphics chipset and isn't supported. The 10v has the well supported gma-950 chipset. I guess I did as everything else, excepting the above, works fine. My questions are: 1) Is there a HLC for SOAS? Not sure what a HLC is. Neither am I. I meant Hardware Compatibility List. 2) Is there a way to set the trackpad sensitivity with SOAS? Not sure its possible from sugar but you might be able to run gnome-mouse-properties from the terminal and set the trackpad stuff there. 3) Is there a way to trouble shoot the wireless network card issue? With regards to the wireless the Broadcom chipset isn't well supported but you might like to try to install the b43-openfwwf package as its a firmware that supports some broadcom chips. yum install -y b43-openfwwf I would be very interested to know if/how it works with that chipset. I've also heard of people buying an intel wifi m-pci card off ebay and swapping them out.. I'm not a total linux noob but I am not a sys admin or a linux systems developer (I've learnt through struggling through really). I've googled for SOAS on the dell mini 10. There are some articles about the mini 9 but nothing I have seen is relevant to my issues. The mini 9 and the 10v are quite similar hardware wise so there should be some useful information. If I get it sorted I will certainly write up a blog post about it so that the Dell mini 10 can be seen as a viable platform for Sugar. At less then 200 quid for a 10 inch netbook it would seem to be a good target platform. Excellent. It would also be useful if you could register a smolt profile for it so we can fully document the specs. You can do this by yum install -y smolt and then running the command smoltSendProfile to register the hardware. If then provides you a public url. I will do that. Many thanks for your help. Russell Regards, Peter ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS on Dell mini inspiron 10
On 22 Aug 2009, at 11:31, Peter Robinson wrote: Hi Russell, I just bought a Dell mini 10 to try SOAS on. I usually run SOAS on an ASUS 701 and it all works lovely. On the Dell mini 10 the trackpad is incredibly (unusabley) sensitive. Also the wireless networking is not working. I bought the mini 10 with the upgraded Dell wireless 1510 half mini card (802.1n). If I boot into the pre-installed Ubuntu 8.04 the wireless networking works (and the trackpad is not mental). I presume you got the Dell Mini 10v (not the plain 10). The plain 10 has a gma-500 Poulsbo graphics chipset and isn't supported. The 10v has the well supported gma-950 chipset. My questions are: 1) Is there a HLC for SOAS? Not sure what a HLC is. 2) Is there a way to set the trackpad sensitivity with SOAS? Not sure its possible from sugar but you might be able to run gnome-mouse-properties from the terminal and set the trackpad stuff there. Couldn't find gnome-mouse-properties in /usr/bin or anywhere else on the path. 3) Is there a way to trouble shoot the wireless network card issue? With regards to the wireless the Broadcom chipset isn't well supported but you might like to try to install the b43-openfwwf package as its a firmware that supports some broadcom chips. yum install -y b43-openfwwf I would be very interested to know if/how it works with that chipset. I've also heard of people buying an intel wifi m-pci card off ebay and swapping them out.. I tried to install th b43-openfwwf packge. Obv I had to plug the stick into my eee pc (since it has working wifi). After running the command I plugged the stick into the dell and still not network joy. I also read this http://discerningthoughts.blogspot.com/2009/07/installing-fedora-11-on-dell-inspirion.html and when I tried to install kmod-wl but that failed with a message about kernel-uname-r (I think). Not sure where to go from here. I'm going to try and follow the instructions here http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Ubuntu to install it on ubuntu on the netbooks, which will get me a working sugar on the laptop, but I'm keen to get soas on the mini 10 still I'm not a total linux noob but I am not a sys admin or a linux systems developer (I've learnt through struggling through really). I've googled for SOAS on the dell mini 10. There are some articles about the mini 9 but nothing I have seen is relevant to my issues. The mini 9 and the 10v are quite similar hardware wise so there should be some useful information. If I get it sorted I will certainly write up a blog post about it so that the Dell mini 10 can be seen as a viable platform for Sugar. At less then 200 quid for a 10 inch netbook it would seem to be a good target platform. Excellent. It would also be useful if you could register a smolt profile for it so we can fully document the specs. You can do this by yum install -y smolt and then running the command smoltSendProfile to register the hardware. If then provides you a public url. Regards, Peter ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick on XOs for XO Lending Libraries?
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 11:48:56AM -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: Sdz and others... We should put having a Stick work on both XOs and nonXOs on a roadmap, feature wish list somewhere please. +1 Given that we have 33 XO-1s, it is frustrating to see new features getting to SoaS first and XOs as an afterthought. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS on Dell mini inspiron 10
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 04:48:53PM +0100, Russell Brown wrote: 2) Is there a way to set the trackpad sensitivity with SOAS? Not sure its possible from sugar but you might be able to run gnome-mouse-properties from the terminal and set the trackpad stuff there. Couldn't find gnome-mouse-properties in /usr/bin or anywhere else on the path. xset might help. Martin pgpsHuVU0m5XH.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick on XOs for XO Lending Libraries?
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 06:41:25PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 17:53, Joshua N Pritikinjpriti...@pobox.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 11:48:56AM -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: Sdz and others... We should put having a Stick work on both XOs and nonXOs on a roadmap, feature wish list somewhere please. So a SoaS Strawberry image doesn't boot on an XO-1? Given that we have 33 XO-1s, it is frustrating to see new features getting to SoaS first and XOs as an afterthought. If you see _any_ features getting to XO-1s, please let the rest of us know. I think a more emphatic nobody's being paid to backport Sugar to XO-1 builds message might be necessary. But seriously, please expand on what you mean. Sugar on the XO is never an afterthought, please help. Yeah, hey, how'd we get to 'afterthought'? :) Thanks, Tomeu Martin pgpomZspPusrA.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick on XOs for XO Lending Libraries?
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 05:54:31PM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: I think a more emphatic nobody's being paid to backport Sugar to XO-1 builds message might be necessary. But seriously, please expand on what you mean. Yah, I wish we could pay you. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] UI mockups
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 04:18:28PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: Hi Aleksey, On 22 Aug 2009, at 15:05, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 05:12:34PM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: [forwarded from christian] Hi all, I've attached two (annotated) PDFs with mockups of the issues we talked about on Sunday. The first has several options for the Journal, exploring various toolbars, the grid view, and tagging; the second looks at simple vs. complex toolbars in activities. Make sure you read the annotations, and let me know what you think. Once we have reached a consensus, I can generate PNGs and post to the wiki. Christian PS. Let's also figure out a time to chat, unless email seems sufficient. I can be available for a short time around 10am (EST)/2pm (UTC) tomorrow morning, if necessary. [1] http://shell.sugarlabs.org/~erikos/090818_journal_thumbnails.pdf [2] http://shell.sugarlabs.org/~erikos/090818_toolbars.pdf You can try Thumbs view implementation from cloned repo[3] or see screenshot[4]. Hey wow fantastic, I didn't think thumb view was going to make it in! :-) In comparing with mockups it has lack of multi selection and sorting features, I heard that we are not in consensus on that(?) * using check boxes of Shift key to multi select Well I'm for the Shift key for multi select :-) but whatever selection method is used, it would need to be consistent with the list view as well, and need its functions thought through carefully (e.g. multi item erase, copy, favourite, send to... etc). Seems like a large project all of it's own so likely best not to try and add multi select now. * using title like buttons[5] or something else Again, different types of sorting seems not well thought through for Journal list and thumb view, likely best not to try and add that feature until we have solid designs requirements. Using the various existing toolbar filters seems good enough. So I was right when didn't implement these features :) Also I moved details button from cell bottom to the left. I'd be tempted to put it right below the star icon (see mock-up below) [3] http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/repos/thumbs I haven't tested yet, will try and see if I can get this working in my sugar-jhbuild set-up later. [4] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Thumbs.png [5] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Designs/Journal#10 Based on your Thumbs.png I made some quick tweaks: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Thumb_view_mockup_edit_gary.png - Titles are bold to help separate them from the date text - Details button has been moved up under star so buttons are together - Extra vertical space added between each row of thumbs so title is far from next thumb below - Title text moved closer to its own thumb, again to make sure matching text and thumb are seen together Cant wait to give this a try out :-) I've updated code and screenshot [4] -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] UI mockups
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 02:05:03PM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 05:12:34PM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: [forwarded from christian] Hi all, I've attached two (annotated) PDFs with mockups of the issues we talked about on Sunday. The first has several options for the Journal, exploring various toolbars, the grid view, and tagging; the second looks at simple vs. complex toolbars in activities. Make sure you read the annotations, and let me know what you think. Once we have reached a consensus, I can generate PNGs and post to the wiki. Christian PS. Let's also figure out a time to chat, unless email seems sufficient. I can be available for a short time around 10am (EST)/2pm (UTC) tomorrow morning, if necessary. [1] http://shell.sugarlabs.org/~erikos/090818_journal_thumbnails.pdf [2] http://shell.sugarlabs.org/~erikos/090818_toolbars.pdf You can try Thumbs view implementation from cloned repo[3] or see screenshot[4]. In comparing with mockups it has lack of multi selection and sorting features, I heard that we are not in consensus on that(?) * using check boxes of Shift key to multi select * using title like buttons[5] or something else Also I moved details button from cell bottom to the left. [3] http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/repos/thumbs [4] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Thumbs.png [5] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Designs/Journal#10 I've encountered another problem - I can't get rid of popups in thumbs view, since all workspace belongs to thumbs. I think we can do not auto popup palette and open them only on right click. -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] UI mockups
On 22 Aug 2009, at 19:50, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 02:05:03PM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 05:12:34PM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: [forwarded from christian] Hi all, I've attached two (annotated) PDFs with mockups of the issues we talked about on Sunday. The first has several options for the Journal, exploring various toolbars, the grid view, and tagging; the second looks at simple vs. complex toolbars in activities. Make sure you read the annotations, and let me know what you think. Once we have reached a consensus, I can generate PNGs and post to the wiki. Christian PS. Let's also figure out a time to chat, unless email seems sufficient. I can be available for a short time around 10am (EST)/2pm (UTC) tomorrow morning, if necessary. [1] http://shell.sugarlabs.org/~erikos/090818_journal_thumbnails.pdf [2] http://shell.sugarlabs.org/~erikos/090818_toolbars.pdf You can try Thumbs view implementation from cloned repo[3] or see screenshot[4]. In comparing with mockups it has lack of multi selection and sorting features, I heard that we are not in consensus on that(?) * using check boxes of Shift key to multi select * using title like buttons[5] or something else Also I moved details button from cell bottom to the left. [3] http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/repos/thumbs [4] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Thumbs.png [5] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Designs/Journal#10 I've encountered another problem - I can't get rid of popups in thumbs view, since all workspace belongs to thumbs. I think we can do not auto popup palette and open them only on right click. What is it like if just the thumb image rectangle has the auto pop-up? That would seem to match the list view behaviour where just the activity icon has the palette pop-up. Regards, --Gary ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] any luck w/ venkman?
Is there something you need that firebug can't do? 2009/8/22 Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org: hey subzero, I have been trying to use the latest version of venkman w/ ff 3.5 . I can't get it to stop on breakpoints or actually do any debugging w/ it. Has it worked for you? -- Bryan W. Berry Technology Director OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] RFH - Journal corruption reports fom 8.2.1
Probably unrelated, but FWIW: One fast way to completely get rid of the Journal (SoaS) is to delete the stick's boot directory! (I did it once by accident.) Strangely enough, the stick will still boot fine on non-XO's; it just lacks a Journal. OTOH, it won't boot at all on the XO-1 (whereas, otherwise it boots fine). Then I figured I might be able to recoup the basic Journal - either to retrieve the activity, or to get the stick to boot on the XO - by copying the boot directory from another stick - but *no*. Art Hunkins - Original Message - From: Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com To: Jim Simmons nices...@gmail.com Cc: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] RFH - Journal corruption reports fom 8.2.1 On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Jim Simmonsnices...@gmail.com wrote: Martin, For what it's worth, I've experienced this running the Sugar test environment in both Fedora 10 and 11. It would not seem to be specific to .82. The way to reproduce the problem is to run the Sugar environment in Xephyr (sugar-emulator). Do some stuff, then instead of shutting down cleanly click on the close button on the Xephyr window. That will close your Sugar session and practically guarantee that the next time you open it your Sugar Journal will be empty. I regret to say that I've done this a few times. I do this all the time and have never had a Journal corruption error in Xephyr. Curious. -walter James Simmons Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:56:17 +0200 From: Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com Subject: [Sugar-devel] RFH - Journal corruption reports fom 8.2.1 users in Uy To: OLPC Devel de...@lists.laptop.org, Sugar-dev Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Message-ID: 46a038f90908200956h436459f3j9fa7b29bb111d...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On olpc-sur we're seeing reports of my journal contents disappeared after reboot. (Thread starts at http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-sur/2009-August/004177.html ) This reminds me a lot of the issues we saw earlier in development of what became 8.2.x -- if for any reason Sugar doesn't like the Journal contents or indexes, it moves the 'datastore' directory aside, and starts anew. That's my hunch, and I am hoping to hear confirmation from the users reporting the problem. Two pleas for help - A sugar activity that does some data-recovery and freeing up the space. The good news is that we have a json file with the metadata for each Journal entry, so we can either load it back into the Journal (mstone had published a cli script that exports/imports to the Journal?) or create Journal Entry Bundles and save them to a USB stick. I suspect the JEB path might help users more -- if the Journal is choking on some specific metadata, a script that reloads it all in one go will make it choke again. Having files as JEBs allows step-by-step attempts. - Diagnosis. If it's something we can pin down, it'll be great to have a fix! This will surely involve getting in touch with teachers on olpc-sur. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick on XOs for XO Lending Libraries?
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 11:41:38PM +0530, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 05:54:31PM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: I think a more emphatic nobody's being paid to backport Sugar to XO-1 builds message might be necessary. But seriously, please expand on what you mean. Yah, I wish we could pay you. Thanks but I was serious: I think technical people struggle to articulate to a larger audience the boundaries between Sugar and SoaS and OLPC's XO-1 builds that are in the wild. I thought your (and others') views would be of interest. I don't think you're wrong to have this frustration (it's why I made SoaS-on-XO1). Martin pgpSfkBOL1wOE.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick on XOs for XO Lending Libraries?
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 05:45:30PM -0400, Art Hunkins wrote: As a *completely* naive author of a Sugar activity, I'll attempt to rephrase a previous question (that received a very loud silence): What is the update path for the XO-1; is it Martin's SoaS for XO's? Or are there other efforts also in the works? You are asking the wrong place. You need to ask the hardware vendor (OLPC) at h...@laptop.org or de...@lists.laptop.org. I'll be surprised if you get an answer other than officially, there is no central plan; we hope volunteers will do it. To that end there is the official unofficial F11-on-XO1 effort which is quite well underway. On the XO-1, Csound5.08 and python2.5 work together fine; however, my script properly requires 5.10. [...] I'm left wondering, however, whether this 5.10/2.6 combination will ever become available on the XO-1, except via SoaS? When you say On the XO-1, you're not being precise enough for me to understand what software you mean (the XO-1 is hardware and can run many operating systems). Art Hunkins Martin pgpmhzgTUX22V.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] New SoaS-on-XO-1 build done: soasxo57
Thanks for the info, Martin. I hadn't realized that both your effort (Soas-on-XO-1) and - I presume - Fedora11-on-XO, are optionally complete OS replacements for Sugar on the XO-1. I also assume that (an updated) Sugar is included in both these system upgrades, and that we might well expect ongoing upgrades. (I know - no guarantees.) Art Hunkins - Original Message - From: Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com To: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:57 PM Subject: [Sugar-devel] New SoaS-on-XO-1 build done: soasxo57 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
