Re: [Sugar-devel] Discrepancy regarding an Activity
Well it seems to be an unmaintained fake release of the original FoodForce2 game. I guess only the copyrights have been changed. In fact, I went through the their homepage and saw that this organization is into doing such things only, they copy source code of open source activities, do minor tweaks and then upload it by their own credits. This seems to be shameful!! Regards, Mohit Taneja On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:23 AM, Deepank Gupta deepankgu...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, I think an earlier code with revision no : 85 or 84 from our code repository(http://code.google.com/p/foodforce) has been packaged and made into FoodforceII activity and added as addon 4219. They have just changed the name from Foodforce2 to FoodforceII and also it is just a packaging of revision no 85. No value addition or anything in it... If they are claiming it is a fork of the project, why do i see no difference at all in this game version from the previous beta activity uploaded by us. As I understand, a fork means some development on the project which was different from the original project. I don't know why was it allowed to be uploaded as an activity on the activities page. What are sugar activity page moderators doing? This way, you can go, grab any cl of a codebase, and start packaging them as different activities and you will have dozens of versions of the same activity /Deepank On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Himanshu Hind cooldude2...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, I would like to bring to your kind attention, that there seems to be some discrepancy with the foodforce activity. There are two downloads available for the same activity on activities.sugarlabs.org page. One is addon 4206 and another is 4219. Right now I am running addon 4206 as it has more number of downloads and thus seems to be more stable. Still, it would be great if you could help new comers. thanks, himanshu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Discrepancy regarding an Activity
2009/11/15 Mohit Taneja mohitge...@gmail.com: Well it seems to be an unmaintained fake release of the original FoodForce2 game. I guess only the copyrights have been changed. In fact, I went through the their homepage and saw that this organization is into doing such things only, they copy source code of open source activities, do minor tweaks and then upload it by their own credits. Well they have certainly contributed some new activities to Sugar which I assume are their own, but this is indeed a bit odd. Is this really the first you've heard of this fork? The page says: Food Force II activity beta-version was released on May 8, 2009 with great success (http://blog.laptop.org/2009/05/08/food-force-2-makes-waves/). The activity was forked into different separate projects on June 23. One will be maintained and developed under the aegis of SEETA (http://seeta.in/j/products-and-services/food-force-ii.html). And, the other would be developed and maintained by Mohit Taneja and Deepank Gupta, who have been the founding developers of this learning activity, and were recommended to Walter Bender by Manusheel Gupta to work on this project with him in 2008. I wonder what the reason for forking is. Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Discrepancy regarding an Activity
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 02:24:30PM +0530, Mohit Taneja wrote: I guess only the copyrights have been changed. On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:23 AM, Deepank Gupta deepankgu...@gmail.comwrote: They have just changed the name from Foodforce2 to FoodforceII and also it is just a packaging of revision no 85. No value addition or anything in it... On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Himanshu Hind cooldude2...@gmail.comwrote: Right now I am running addon 4206 as it has more number of downloads and thus seems to be more stable [than addon 4219]. Hmmm - how can one be more stable than the other if no code changed? Could it be that even if the source is identical the binary packaging somehow is different? ...which leads me to a horrible thought: What is the risk of damage if someone uploads delibarately evil binary code? By comparison, Debian have little technical protection against uploading evil code, but have a social mechanism of only allowing official members to upload (combined with requiring a large effort to become official member). I do not see the Debian design here as brilliant, but it seems to me that current Sugarlabs approach is even weaker :-/ Kind regards, - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Security of activities (was: Re: Discrepancy regarding an Activity)
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 01:47:08PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: ...which leads me to a horrible thought: What is the risk of damage if someone uploads delibarately evil binary code? With Bitfrost/Rainbow: negligible (that's the whole point of it). Most non-OLPC-deployed systems: very high. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Discrepancy regarding an Activity
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 01:47:08PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: By comparison, Debian have little technical protection against uploading evil code, but have a social mechanism of only allowing official members to upload (combined with requiring a large effort to become official member). I do not see the Debian design here as brilliant, but it seems to me that current Sugarlabs approach is even weaker :-/ In that case we just follow AMO practice, but our editors policy doesn't cover all cases[1] e.g. for various non-technical questions, I guess this topic[2] should be picked by SLOBS. [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Library/Editors/Policy#Additional_technical_policy_for_editors [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Library/Editors/Policy#Non-technical_policy -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Food Force II-3
Activity Homepage: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4219 Sugar Platform: 0.82 - 0.86 Download Now: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/26358/foodforceii-3.xo Release notes: Localization of Food Force II game play in Spanish language. Storyboard's localization in Spanish under progress. Sugar Labs Activities http://activities.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Discrepancy regarding an Activity
2009/11/15 Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org: 2009/11/15 Mohit Taneja mohitge...@gmail.com: Well it seems to be an unmaintained fake release of the original FoodForce2 game. I guess only the copyrights have been changed. In fact, I went through the their homepage and saw that this organization is into doing such things only, they copy source code of open source activities, do minor tweaks and then upload it by their own credits. Well they have certainly contributed some new activities to Sugar which I assume are their own, but this is indeed a bit odd. Is this really the first you've heard of this fork? And to confuse matters more.. surely you knew of Manusheel's involvement (or at least his interest) in your project well before the supposed fork date of June 23 -- I have a personal email in my inbox from May where Manusheel was persuading deployments to try out the new activity and provide feedback (I was in Paraguay at the time). He writes it as if you are all a team, seeta included, and suggests that it was even listed as a project on the SEETA website at that time. And see his name on http://blog.laptop.org/2009/05/08/food-force-2-makes-waves/ Anyway, it seems like the easiest thing to do here would be to give commit access to Manusheel's team to the original repository. It looks like they have just made the first change in their forked version, adding a spanish translation, and I imagine that's not a contribution you would turn down. Manusheel, in the open source world, when forking a project the common etiquette is to rename it to something substantially different. But in this case I suggest you simply dissolve the fork and attempt to work together, in the same place. Less work for everyone. Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] configuring Socksproxy for Jabber Server on the XO-1 or XO-1.5
Dear all, Do we have documentation somewhere on the steps involved in configuring socksproxy for jabber server on the XO-1 or XO-1.5? Please let us know. Thank you. Regards, Manu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Discrepancy regarding an Activity
Hi Daniel, In my opinion, any contribution to an open-source project is most welcomed. And yeah helping with the translaions into different languages is a contribution that is much required to the FoodForce2 activity. I will definitely appreciate such a contribution. But still there is a difference between contribution and a fork. To have a fork one needs to have some major prior contribution to the project. Adding translations and changing the copyrights, and forget the credits of the people who have been working on a particular project for around 2 years, is probably, atleast in my opinion, ethically wrong. Regards, Mohit Taneja On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: 2009/11/15 Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org: 2009/11/15 Mohit Taneja mohitge...@gmail.com: Well it seems to be an unmaintained fake release of the original FoodForce2 game. I guess only the copyrights have been changed. In fact, I went through the their homepage and saw that this organization is into doing such things only, they copy source code of open source activities, do minor tweaks and then upload it by their own credits. Well they have certainly contributed some new activities to Sugar which I assume are their own, but this is indeed a bit odd. Is this really the first you've heard of this fork? And to confuse matters more.. surely you knew of Manusheel's involvement (or at least his interest) in your project well before the supposed fork date of June 23 -- I have a personal email in my inbox from May where Manusheel was persuading deployments to try out the new activity and provide feedback (I was in Paraguay at the time). He writes it as if you are all a team, seeta included, and suggests that it was even listed as a project on the SEETA website at that time. And see his name on http://blog.laptop.org/2009/05/08/food-force-2-makes-waves/ Anyway, it seems like the easiest thing to do here would be to give commit access to Manusheel's team to the original repository. It looks like they have just made the first change in their forked version, adding a spanish translation, and I imagine that's not a contribution you would turn down. Manusheel, in the open source world, when forking a project the common etiquette is to rename it to something substantially different. But in this case I suggest you simply dissolve the fork and attempt to work together, in the same place. Less work for everyone. Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Discrepancy regarding an Activity
2009/11/15 Mohit Taneja mohitge...@gmail.com: But still there is a difference between contribution and a fork. To have a fork one needs to have some major prior contribution to the project. I disagree - open source promotes forking. It's fine to do so before having contributed to the project (and forks often happen precisely because earlier attempts at contributing were shot down). As it doesn't seem like these 2 projects are going to work together to dissolve the fork, all that needs to happen is that one chooses another name. As for changing of copyrights, I thought we already noted that the 2nd version is identical to the first in everything except its packaging (and now a Spanish translation, it appears). Are you sure that old copyright messages have been removed? Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] work on Conozco?
On Sat, 2009-11-14 at 03:38 +, Ze maria wrote: Hello Bryan, I just checkout the code you wrote, related to it, I just have a question: I see you have a function hideAnswers which you call with svgMapDoc as an argument, when I open capitals1.svg the image already has the names of each capital, my question is: - In the svg you define (how?) each capital associating an id to each, how do you that?? By editing the xml of the svg w/in Inkscape http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/karma/repos/mainline/blobs/master/examples/Conozco-Uruguay/assets/generic/images/capitals1.svg#line71 I would be happy to walk u through it over irc Nevertheless I expect to have some free time next week and during this weekend hopefully, and I would like to contribute somehow, if you could send me the docs available for the karma framework, that would be great, also, if there's any task available feel free to tell me Good weekend and best regards, Ze Maria I am refactoring the karma codebase entirely to have unit testing: http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/karma/repos/mainline/blobs/jkjs-refactor/js/karma.js http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/karma/repos/mainline/blobs/ae7313eb6505c4e3ef0be3df73d7f2f87bffd07c/tests/tests.js fingers crossed, I hope to have it completed by then end of the coming week. Felipe did a good job but he and I both wanted unit testing for it as it eases maintenance long term and just makes the library more stable overall -- Bryan W. Berry Senior Engineer OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Adjusting the Sugar on a Stick (Blueberry) Roadmap
Hi everybody, after considering input from the various teams involved in Sugar Labs and the Sugar on a Stick creation, we're shifting the SoaS as followed. 2009-11-17 Fedora 12 Final Release in the time between: wiki documentation must be readied! 2009-11-29 Image Gold Master Creation Upload 2009-12-08 Sugar on a Stick (Blueberry) Public Release I'm working on the docs at the moment, so expect some posts on that soon. It would be great if we could get SoaS on the static SL pages, too - maybe we could get something off the ground there? Please consider SoaS v2 to be in freeze from now on. Let's make this a great release! Help us fixing the bugs listed on our bug tracker: http://bugs.launchpad.net/soas Thanks, --Sebastian ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] New aslo@ mailing list
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:33:10PM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: Hi all, To ease Activity Library editors coordination, ASLO will send all kinds of review requests to new mailing list a...@lists.sugarlabs.org. So, any editor(and not only editrs) can subsribe to this list and be informed of all reviews threads. There is no need in subscription to this list for activity developers, every review email from ASLO will be CCed and REPLYTOed to proper activity authors. -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
