Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion
Maybe Getting Started might be a better name? Just to complicate things, Nubae and I were discussing collaboration on IRC. It is another theme people may be interested in searching. Activities that a whole class can share, e.g., Browse, and activities that are designed as duets. -walter On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Bert - many thanks, I understand much better now. We're expecting a traffic peaks at the end of the month with our media push, that's why this work on clarity/simplicity is important. I'm afraid Fructose as a left-hand category on ASLO is obscure, it really should be base or core or base install, this last I like best because it's very clear. Note: a search for Fructose in ASLO returns no results! I actually don't think it's that hard to set a list; it's really just a Get Started list which covers online/offline, younger/older Learners, and super-helpful to have even if off-ring (Terminal...). I agree some deployments will want to zap some Activities, but as long as it's clear that there's no technical barrier to doing so we're fine. The list of 13 Fructose Activities at http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/ does not match the list of 11 Fructose Activities on ASLO (http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/browse/type:1/cat:112?sort=name). I imagine Image is off the bus (replaced by Image Viewer), but is the omission of Write intentional? I couldn't find it on ASLO at all :-( (N.B. Write is always the first Activity I choose to demonstrate classroom collaboration; people understand collaboration instantly when each of two machines can edit the same document live. My kids' nanny who is in her early 60s and does not use computers understood right away the usefulness of XOs in a classroom when she saw that, she got all excited and started asking me questions!) So I think the ASLO Fructose list, plus Write, can certainly be qualified as 12 base install Activities: Browse Calculate Chat Etoys ImageViewer Jukebox Log Pippy Read Terminal TurtleArt Write However I think it would be judicious to add Help to this list. Help is very reassuring during discovery of the totally unfamiliar interface. I'm aware there are issues right now building a new Help from the FLOSS Manuals source, but I believe Help aids teachers and parents significantly with the Sugar GUI learning curve. Are there any other candidates today for the Fructose list we should consider? Not to open a can of worms - adjusting the pantheon is much less urgent than the discoverability/usability issues - but a review before each SoaS version seems judicious to me, especially since a choice needs to be made about which Activities are in the ring and which are off. I would suggest: Clock Help Maze Memorize Moon Read ETexts Speak Tux Paint I hesitated over: * Record which kids adore, but which I understand is iffy due to wide hardware variations, also teachers don't seem to like it much :-) * the TamTams which would make the list longish... (though my four-year-old figured out TamTam Mini in ten seconds the other day and loved every second with it) * GCompris Chess, since no 2-player yet. Our introduction to Sugar has a page with an attractive smorgasbord of Activities (http://www.sugarlabs.org/index.php?template=pagepage=about_activities), and a link to ASLO. We listed the Activities in teacher/parent interest order: reassuring basics, net stuff, games/language/multimedia, the TamTams, tech/system utilities. Image Viewer and Jukebox are missing from this page, I propose to add them and two others to the matrix so the complete Fructose set (minus Image) is present. The Journal starts the list due to its special status, but it really should be broken out as a special Activity that is always there, saves everything automatically, allows resuming of work, etc. ASLO should have a brief mention of the Journal in the orientation intro I want to edit; telling inexperienced Sugar admins/teachers/parents/Learners that it is always in Sugar and can't be installed or uninstalled. This super-Activity distinction is important because the Journal icon occupies the same spot under the central XO avatar as the current Activity. Note that each icon links to the OLPC page (the intro site was published on a tight deadline just before the March 16th press release :-), I think we can update it to link to the ASLO pages now. Note: we have been doing some star marketing of Activities in our PR: Write, InfoSlicer, Mindmap, Portfolio. We chose these to appeal to teachers; they are differentiators. Some press articles have mentioned the star Activities, recognizing that they are interesting and unique to Sugar. Library for example is an Activity I'm not quite sure does what, but its name and logo will be irresistible to parents and teachers. OLPC has their list
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion
On 11.06.2009, at 15:17, Walter Bender wrote: Maybe Getting Started might be a better name? How about Basics? - Bert - Just to complicate things, Nubae and I were discussing collaboration on IRC. It is another theme people may be interested in searching. Activities that a whole class can share, e.g., Browse, and activities that are designed as duets. -walter On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Bert - many thanks, I understand much better now. We're expecting a traffic peaks at the end of the month with our media push, that's why this work on clarity/simplicity is important. I'm afraid Fructose as a left-hand category on ASLO is obscure, it really should be base or core or base install, this last I like best because it's very clear. Note: a search for Fructose in ASLO returns no results! I actually don't think it's that hard to set a list; it's really just a Get Started list which covers online/offline, younger/older Learners, and super-helpful to have even if off-ring (Terminal...). I agree some deployments will want to zap some Activities, but as long as it's clear that there's no technical barrier to doing so we're fine. The list of 13 Fructose Activities at http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/ does not match the list of 11 Fructose Activities on ASLO (http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/browse/type:1/cat:112?sort=name ). I imagine Image is off the bus (replaced by Image Viewer), but is the omission of Write intentional? I couldn't find it on ASLO at all :-( (N.B. Write is always the first Activity I choose to demonstrate classroom collaboration; people understand collaboration instantly when each of two machines can edit the same document live. My kids' nanny who is in her early 60s and does not use computers understood right away the usefulness of XOs in a classroom when she saw that, she got all excited and started asking me questions!) So I think the ASLO Fructose list, plus Write, can certainly be qualified as 12 base install Activities: Browse Calculate Chat Etoys ImageViewer Jukebox Log Pippy Read Terminal TurtleArt Write However I think it would be judicious to add Help to this list. Help is very reassuring during discovery of the totally unfamiliar interface. I'm aware there are issues right now building a new Help from the FLOSS Manuals source, but I believe Help aids teachers and parents significantly with the Sugar GUI learning curve. Are there any other candidates today for the Fructose list we should consider? Not to open a can of worms - adjusting the pantheon is much less urgent than the discoverability/usability issues - but a review before each SoaS version seems judicious to me, especially since a choice needs to be made about which Activities are in the ring and which are off. I would suggest: Clock Help Maze Memorize Moon Read ETexts Speak Tux Paint I hesitated over: * Record which kids adore, but which I understand is iffy due to wide hardware variations, also teachers don't seem to like it much :-) * the TamTams which would make the list longish... (though my four-year-old figured out TamTam Mini in ten seconds the other day and loved every second with it) * GCompris Chess, since no 2-player yet. Our introduction to Sugar has a page with an attractive smorgasbord of Activities (http://www.sugarlabs.org/index.php?template=pagepage=about_activities ), and a link to ASLO. We listed the Activities in teacher/parent interest order: reassuring basics, net stuff, games/language/multimedia, the TamTams, tech/system utilities. Image Viewer and Jukebox are missing from this page, I propose to add them and two others to the matrix so the complete Fructose set (minus Image) is present. The Journal starts the list due to its special status, but it really should be broken out as a special Activity that is always there, saves everything automatically, allows resuming of work, etc. ASLO should have a brief mention of the Journal in the orientation intro I want to edit; telling inexperienced Sugar admins/teachers/parents/Learners that it is always in Sugar and can't be installed or uninstalled. This super-Activity distinction is important because the Journal icon occupies the same spot under the central XO avatar as the current Activity. Note that each icon links to the OLPC page (the intro site was published on a tight deadline just before the March 16th press release :-), I think we can update it to link to the ASLO pages now. Note: we have been doing some star marketing of Activities in our PR: Write, InfoSlicer, Mindmap, Portfolio. We chose these to appeal to teachers; they are differentiators. Some press articles have mentioned the star Activities, recognizing that they are interesting and unique to Sugar. Library for example is an Activity I'm not quite sure does what, but its name and
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion
I really like Basics... it is concise, and will be reassuring to teachers I think. Sean On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Bert Freudenbergb...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 11.06.2009, at 15:17, Walter Bender wrote: Maybe Getting Started might be a better name? How about Basics? - Bert - Just to complicate things, Nubae and I were discussing collaboration on IRC. It is another theme people may be interested in searching. Activities that a whole class can share, e.g., Browse, and activities that are designed as duets. -walter On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Bert - many thanks, I understand much better now. We're expecting a traffic peaks at the end of the month with our media push, that's why this work on clarity/simplicity is important. I'm afraid Fructose as a left-hand category on ASLO is obscure, it really should be base or core or base install, this last I like best because it's very clear. Note: a search for Fructose in ASLO returns no results! I actually don't think it's that hard to set a list; it's really just a Get Started list which covers online/offline, younger/older Learners, and super-helpful to have even if off-ring (Terminal...). I agree some deployments will want to zap some Activities, but as long as it's clear that there's no technical barrier to doing so we're fine. The list of 13 Fructose Activities at http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/ does not match the list of 11 Fructose Activities on ASLO (http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/browse/type:1/cat:112?sort=name). I imagine Image is off the bus (replaced by Image Viewer), but is the omission of Write intentional? I couldn't find it on ASLO at all :-( (N.B. Write is always the first Activity I choose to demonstrate classroom collaboration; people understand collaboration instantly when each of two machines can edit the same document live. My kids' nanny who is in her early 60s and does not use computers understood right away the usefulness of XOs in a classroom when she saw that, she got all excited and started asking me questions!) So I think the ASLO Fructose list, plus Write, can certainly be qualified as 12 base install Activities: Browse Calculate Chat Etoys ImageViewer Jukebox Log Pippy Read Terminal TurtleArt Write However I think it would be judicious to add Help to this list. Help is very reassuring during discovery of the totally unfamiliar interface. I'm aware there are issues right now building a new Help from the FLOSS Manuals source, but I believe Help aids teachers and parents significantly with the Sugar GUI learning curve. Are there any other candidates today for the Fructose list we should consider? Not to open a can of worms - adjusting the pantheon is much less urgent than the discoverability/usability issues - but a review before each SoaS version seems judicious to me, especially since a choice needs to be made about which Activities are in the ring and which are off. I would suggest: Clock Help Maze Memorize Moon Read ETexts Speak Tux Paint I hesitated over: * Record which kids adore, but which I understand is iffy due to wide hardware variations, also teachers don't seem to like it much :-) * the TamTams which would make the list longish... (though my four-year-old figured out TamTam Mini in ten seconds the other day and loved every second with it) * GCompris Chess, since no 2-player yet. Our introduction to Sugar has a page with an attractive smorgasbord of Activities (http://www.sugarlabs.org/index.php?template=pagepage=about_activities), and a link to ASLO. We listed the Activities in teacher/parent interest order: reassuring basics, net stuff, games/language/multimedia, the TamTams, tech/system utilities. Image Viewer and Jukebox are missing from this page, I propose to add them and two others to the matrix so the complete Fructose set (minus Image) is present. The Journal starts the list due to its special status, but it really should be broken out as a special Activity that is always there, saves everything automatically, allows resuming of work, etc. ASLO should have a brief mention of the Journal in the orientation intro I want to edit; telling inexperienced Sugar admins/teachers/parents/Learners that it is always in Sugar and can't be installed or uninstalled. This super-Activity distinction is important because the Journal icon occupies the same spot under the central XO avatar as the current Activity. Note that each icon links to the OLPC page (the intro site was published on a tight deadline just before the March 16th press release :-), I think we can update it to link to the ASLO pages now. Note: we have been doing some star marketing of Activities in our PR: Write, InfoSlicer, Mindmap, Portfolio. We chose these to appeal to teachers; they are differentiators. Some press articles have mentioned the star Activities,
