Re: Sundial finish

2013-06-07 Thread Kevin Karney
Dear Art
Sundials Australia by Margaret Folkard  John Ward (available via 
www.sundialsaustralia.com.au) has an interesting chapter on this subject
Best wishes
Kevin Karney

On 6 Jun 2013, at 19:49, Art Krenzel phoenix98...@msn.com wrote:

 There have been several discussions on the optimum shape of a gnomon to 
 produce a good shadow however I have not seen any discussion on the optimum 
 surface coating of a sundial yet.
  
 From the collective experience of this listserve, what surface (color, 
 texture, finish, material, etc) is the best choice to show a gnomon shadow?
 
 Art Krenzel
 
  
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
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FW: Re: Sundial finish

2013-06-07 Thread david . pawley
 Subject: Re: Sundial finish
 
 
 I would say just take a walk around ontdoors and look at the shadows cast by 
 all sorts of objects, and on all types of surfaces. This would give good idea 
 of suitable surfaces for sundials.

 David






 
 
 
 
 
  
 Message Received: Jun 07 2013, 09:19 AM
  From: Frank King 
  To: Art Krenzel 
  Cc: sundial@uni-koeln.de 
  Subject: Re: Sundial finish 
  
  Dear Art,
  
  You ask a challenging question...
  
  what surface (color, texture, finish,
  material, etc) is the best choice to
  show a gnomon shadow?
  
  This is a big subject and to understand it
  properly you will need to do some serious
  study! You can make a start by discovering
  what a Lambertian Surface is. Essentially,
  it is a surface which reflects equally in
  all directions. It is absolutely NOT like
  a mirror.
  
  In general, a Lambertian Surface is better
  than a non-Lambertian Surface for sundials.
  I have seen disastrous dials made of polished
  stainless steel! The user can get blinded by
  reflection from the sun.
  
  Stainless steel CAN work but it must have
  a satin finish.
  
  I would add that light-coloured surfaces,
  for example limestone, are better than
  dark surfaces though, paradoxically, slate
  is quite good.
  
  These surfaces must not be polished of
  course. Polished marble is almost as
  bad as polished stainless steel!
  
  The surface should not break up the shadow
  and possibly the worst receiving surfaces
  are long grass and round cobbled pavements.
  
  This is enough to start a discussion.
  
  Let's see what others say!
  
  Frank King
  Cambridge, U.K.
  
  PS
  
  Try reading these references:
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambertian_reflectance
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambert%27s_cosine_law
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oren%E2%80%93Nayar_reflectance_model
  
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Sundial finish

2013-06-06 Thread Art Krenzel
There have been several discussions on the optimum shape of a gnomon to produce 
a good shadow however I have not seen any discussion on the optimum surface 
coating of a sundial yet.
 
From the collective experience of this listserve, what surface (color, 
texture, finish, material, etc) is the best choice to show a gnomon shadow?

Art Krenzel

 












 


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