[biofuels-biz] More world oil use, pollution seen by 2020 - US
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/15210/story.htm Planet Ark : More world oil use, pollution seen by 2020 - US USA: March 27, 2002 WASHINGTON - World oil demand is expected to grow an average 2.2 percent annually over the next two decades, helping to spew an extra 3.8 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions a year into the atmosphere by 2020, a U.S. government energy agency said yesterday. With world energy use at the center of the debate over global warming, the forecast from the U.S. Energy Information Administration warns that developing countries will produce more of the world's heat-trapping greenhouse gases. World carbon dioxide emissions are projected to rise from 6.1 metric tons in 1999 to 7.9 billion metric tons per year in 2010 and 9.9 billion metric tons in 2020, the Energy Department's analytical arm said in its annual international energy outlook. Much of the projected increase in carbon dioxide emissions is expected to occur in the developing world, where emerging economies are expected to produce the largest increase in energy consumption, EIA said. Even if the industrialized nations act to reduce carbon dioxide emissions, the agency warned that continued heavy reliance on coal and other fossil fuels in developing countries means greenhouse gases spewing levels will grow substantially over the next two decades. To tackle carbon dioxide emissions industrialized nations would lower their greenhouse gas levels the most under the pending Kyoto Treaty, while individual developing countries would not have to curb their pollution as much, if at all. The Bush administration said the United States would not take part in the treaty, because industrialized countries would be subject to harsher emission limits that the White House feared would hurt the U.S. economy. Oil, which is a major source of greenhouse gas emissions, is expected to remain the world's dominant energy source through 2020, with a 40-percent share of total energy consumption, EIA said. World oil demand is forecast to increase from the current 76 million barrels per day (bpd) to 119 million bpd by 2020, EIA said. Most of the increase in oil use would come from transportation fuel, especially in the developing world where improving economies will enable more people to own vehicles. Still, oil's share of the world energy pie will not increase over the coming two decades because many countries are expected to switch from petroleum to natural gas and other fuels, especially for electricity generation, EIA said. Demand for coal, the biggest source of carbon dioxide emissions, is expected to grow at a slow 1.7 percent per year through 2020. Coal's share of energy use is projected to fall from 22 percent to 20 percent, but the decline would be greater except for large increases in coal demand in developing Asian countries like China and India, EIA said. Renewable energy use, which environmental groups have pushed as a way to lower greenhouse gas emissions, is forecast to increase 53 percent by 2020. However, renewables' current 9-percent share of total energy consumption is projected to drop to 8 percent in two decades, EIA said. Natural gas demand will have the fastest growth in global energy consumption, increasing 3.2 percent annually from the current 85 trillion cubic feet a year (Tcf) to almost 162 Tcf by 2020, the agency said. . By Tom Doggett WASHINGTON - World oil demand is expected to grow an average 2.2 percent annually over the next two decades, helping to spew an extra 3.8 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions a year into the atmosphere by 2020, a U.S. government energy agency said yesterday. With world energy use at the center of the debate over global warming, the forecast from the U.S. Energy Information Administration warns that developing countries will produce more of the world's heat-trapping greenhouse gases. World carbon dioxide emissions are projected to rise from 6.1 metric tons in 1999 to 7.9 billion metric tons per year in 2010 and 9.9 billion metric tons in 2020, the Energy Department's analytical arm said in its annual international energy outlook. Much of the projected increase in carbon dioxide emissions is expected to occur in the developing world, where emerging economies are expected to produce the largest increase in energy consumption, EIA said. Even if the industrialized nations act to reduce carbon dioxide emissions, the agency warned that continued heavy reliance on coal and other fossil fuels in developing countries means greenhouse gases spewing levels will grow substantially over the next two decades. To tackle carbon dioxide emissions industrialized nations would lower their greenhouse gas levels the most under the pending Kyoto Treaty, while individual developing countries would not have to curb their pollution as much, if at all. The Bush administration said the United States would
[biofuel] Gel point benefits of Acid Base processing
Is there some quantitative data on how the gel point is improved by using the two stage conversion process at: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html ,known as the Foolproof method for making biodiesel. This method has twp parts where acid (sulferic acid and methanol) is used first to remove FFA's then a base (lye and methanol)to perform the transesterification. It seems logical that this should greatly improve the gel point. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Diesel Roto-tiller...
Anyone know of a US manufacturer or distributor of a diesel powered roto-tiller of healthy capacity? No luck on internet searches as of yet. Todd Swearingen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] yahoo change in email policy to affect use of group (?)
my email (webconx) is permanent, because I own the domain name, and run my own server ;-) Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] yahoo change in email policy to affect use of group (?) My email account is with Yahoo because it is free [not that it matters] But I know that it is permanent. At the time I got it I wasn't sure about the status of my nnytech.net mail. --- Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really! I have never understood why people wanted a yahoo mail account in the first place. If they're too poor to have a home computer and a dial up account and have to go to the local library to access the net, I guess it makes some sort of sense (although yahoo is probably the *last* free email I'd choose), but a lot of these people actually have a real email account somewhere, and use yahoo anyway. = -Martin Klingensmith http://archive.nnytech.net/ http://devzero.ath.cx/ http://www.nnytech.net/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards¨ http://movies.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel bill becomes law in Minnesota
Nice, but now the Gene Mod. people will have another reasion to tamper with nature. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 16:49 Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel bill becomes law in Minnesota Farm Ranch Guide: News Column Biodiesel bill becomes law in Minnesota By ANDREA JOHNSON, Valley Editor Farmers are closer to developing an important new avenue for their soybeans as a result of Minnesota legislature. Minnesota will mandate a 2 percent inclusion of biodiesel into the state's petroleum diesel supply beginning in 2005 if certain requirements are met. Biodiesel is an alternative fuel made from renewable fats or oils, such as soybean oil. The Minnesota House and Senate passed a bill on March 11 requiring biodiesel blended with all diesel fuel sold in the state - with a few exceptions. Diesel fuel used at nuclear power plants, by train engines, and by mining equipment is exempted from the act. Gov. Jesse Ventura, on March 15, said he would not sign or veto the bill. By not vetoing the legislation, Ventura allowed the bill to become law under Minnesota statues. In a letter to Senate President Don Samuelson, D-Brainerd, Ventura said he supports the bill's role in creating a new market for soy oil and a new economic development opportunity for rural Minnesota. However, he declined to sign the bill because he has reservations about any mandate from the government. Minnesota is the first state in the nation to require the biodiesel addition to commercial diesel supplies. On behalf of the Minnesota Soybean Growers Association (MSGA) and all of the other farm groups and others who fought so hard for this bill, I can only say we are absolutely thrilled and grateful for the support of the legislature and the governor, said Ed Hegland, MSGA president. According to language in the bill, two out of three items must happen before the mandate goes into effect. First, 8 million gallons of biodiesel production capacity must be in place in Minnesota. Second, 18 months must have passed after the federal or state government enacts, through taxes imposed, tax credits or otherwise creates a 2 cent or more/gallon reduction in the cost of diesel fuel containing at least 2 percent biodiesel. Third, the date June 30, 2005 must have passed. Legislation is already pending in the U.S. Senate to provide tax credits for biodiesel use. Biodiesel plants are also being planned in several southern Minnesota communities. In Europe, biodiesel is already used, with existing capacities for over 7 million gallons production/month, according to the MSGA. In the United States, American Biofuels, Southern States Power, and West Central Soy are building new biodiesel plants. Eleven U.S. plants now produce 60-80 million gallons of biodiesel annually. Biodiesel is definitely a part of the national energy plan, and I'm proud to represent Minnesota - the first state in the nation to require its use, said Hegland. According to the North Dakota Soybean Council, biodiesel contains no petroleum, but it can be blended with diesel at any level or used in its pure form. Biodiesel and biodiesel blends have proven successful in more than 40 million road miles and more than 100 major fleets nationwide currently use the fuel commercially. More than $25 million in soybean checkoff money has funded biodiesel development in the United States. Now in Minnesota, soybean growers hope to put all of that research to good use as the state gears up for biodiesel production. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol industry forms new E-diesel consortium
So when do we find out that the emulsifiers are more toxic that the rest? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 16:49 Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol industry forms new E-diesel consortium E-diesel is a blend of diesel, up to 15% ethanol, and one of several proprietary additives to keep the ethanol emulsified during all conditions. A number of on-road and off-road fleet demonstrations have shown E-diesel has the potential to reduce emissions from diesel engines, especially particulate emissions. Due to variability among applications and duty cycles, additional controlled testing is needed to answer questions from diesel engine manufacturers. E-diesel will also undergo health effects testing before seeking approval for widespread commercial application. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Site
Just a quick note that we are updating www.biofuels.ca Some interruptions will occur, and have occurred. Thanks for your patience. Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] test
- Original Message - From: useravav [EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] Does anyone know of where there is information on using diesel engines for gaseous fuel operation? [snip] George, The technique is called fumigation. Quite a bit about it on web, a google search will bring up plenty of information. Regards, Paul Gobert. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Where Can I Find Jatropha?
Now were it Jojoba and arid applications http://www.armchair.com/warp/jojoba1.html Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Trudy Williams To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 10:47 PM Subject: [biofuel] Where Can I Find Jatropha? Answer: http://www.jatropha.org Click on the Countries link on the left column and look at the map of the world. Greg Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Fw: [biofuel] Biodiesel bill becomes law in Minnesota
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 04:11:04PM -0700, kirk wrote: They don't want you hooking into the grid. There is discussion on this topic at distributed generation. Of course they don't, you're a competitor -- it's like all the small phone companies that are around now that use the big phone company's lines and undercut them on cost. Too bad -- that's what they have to put up with if they want the other benefits of being a public utility, like being able to run their lines along roads, etc. But the power utilities are being extremely short sighted by trying to make it difficult to hook up, all that they will accomplish is that there will be hundreds of thousands of people doing it *without* notifying them, *without* maybe even having any real safety cutouts. Check out the guerilla pages at http://www.homepower.com -- there front page says You don't need permission to put solar energy on the grid. and that's a fact. Unless you run it totally backwards for awhile, i.e., ending up with minus readings each month, they'll never know. I want to do it for a living, however, and at least in WI they seem to be pretty much accomadating. At least from what I've seen so far anyway. And I think I can make a profit even at 3 cents avoided rate if it's free fuel, but I'm hoping that WI will follow CA's lead and up the maximum to 100kw for th retail rate. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Diesel Roto-tiller...
You can always use those small diesel powered tractors like Kubota, and I believe there about a dozen others with a tiller on the back. I have used one for over ten years and they work great. gaw-- - In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry no I don't. I have been looking around my self. If you hear of one, could you let me know? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 18:20 Subject: [biofuel] Diesel Roto-tiller... Anyone know of a US manufacturer or distributor of a diesel powered roto-tiller of healthy capacity? No luck on internet searches as of yet. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Diesel Roto-tiller...
China Diesel in Jamul California has inexpensive garden tractors Kirk -Original Message- From: Greg and April [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 9:55 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Diesel Roto-tiller... Sorry no I don't. I have been looking around my self. If you hear of one, could you let me know? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 18:20 Subject: [biofuel] Diesel Roto-tiller... Anyone know of a US manufacturer or distributor of a diesel powered roto-tiller of healthy capacity? No luck on internet searches as of yet. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.342 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 3/14/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.342 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 3/14/2002 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Think People!
Joe Giacomini wrote: This is why I am so grateful for message filters in Netscape. It may be time to separate this group into 2 or more focused sections. I would suggest the following categories Making Biofuel, One for Biofuel politics, Equipment and source of biofuel... Sorry, I'm not going to do that, I think it's a very bad idea. You use *Netscape* for email? Anyway, how did message filters help you with this? Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Osaka, Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ List owner Keith Addison wrote: Okay...I give up... Who here is not thinking? Todd Swearingen 'Tis but Mr Binarydarkfall, methinks. None of us is revolting either. :-) I've pointed out to this poster that not only is he way off-topic, for the third time (in a total of three posts), but that there are people from many cultures here, many of whom would find his message offensive. Actually I think everyone will find it offensive. Anyway, apologies, please ignore. Keith - Original Message - From: binarydarkfall To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 9:31 PM Subject: [biofuel] Think People! What luck for rulers, that men do not think. - Adolf Hitler. Hitler was an evil man and I shouldn't give him any credit for anything he said because of his atrocities; however he is a genious snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Think People!
This is why I am so grateful for message filters in Netscape. It may be time to separate this group into 2 or more focused sections. I would suggest the following categories Making Biofuel, One for Biofuel politics, Equipment and source of biofuel... Keith Addison wrote: Okay...I give up... Who here is not thinking? Todd Swearingen 'Tis but Mr Binarydarkfall, methinks. None of us is revolting either. :-) I've pointed out to this poster that not only is he way off-topic, for the third time (in a total of three posts), but that there are people from many cultures here, many of whom would find his message offensive. Actually I think everyone will find it offensive. Anyway, apologies, please ignore. Keith - Original Message - From: binarydarkfall To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 9:31 PM Subject: [biofuel] Think People! What luck for rulers, that men do not think. - Adolf Hitler. Hitler was an evil man and I shouldn't give him any credit for anything he said because of his atrocities; however he is a genious snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Yahoo trick
I've just been alerted by a friend that Yahoo has just made a sneaky change to everybody's 'Marketing Preferences'. The result of which will be a load of spam. I checked and sure enough, they had changed ALL of my *No's* to *Yes!* So, I've just been in and changed back what they've done so that I won't be receiving their ads! Here's what you need to do: Go to My Groups and click on Account Info, verify your password if it asks you to, and your Yahoo ID card comes up. Click on 'Edit your Marketing Preferences' and change all those Yes's back to No's! Click Save Changes Hopr this helps everyone out! Motie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: County Board gives the OK for ethanol plant.
On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 08:27:10PM -, motie_d wrote: All, I wrote a fairly long letter to the webmaster of the opposition group. I explained that I am interested in Ethanol and alternative, renewable fuels, and he has a lot of disinformation on his site. I sent him links to factual information that debunks the Pimental 'study'. I read the Letters to the Editor by concerned citizens and nearly all the newspaper stories about the issue. My personal position is in opposition to the LOCATION of this proposed plant. Actually the area isn't really a residential neighborhood, it's countryside pretty much. There's a huge grain elevator right there. Of course, people are building everywhere, then they complain when the farmers spread manure, etc. If you read the newspaper editorial (http://www.execpc.com/%7Etubaharp/nw.html) you'll see what they are complaining about is that this plant will get in the way of sprawl, pure and simple. Although a $30 million business would generally be seen as a boon to the community, the ethanol plant falters in part because the long-term residential growth patterns developing west and southwest of Oshkosh place the plant in the line of that progress among other problems. No thought at all that sprawl is a real problem, that residential areas invading farm land is one of the worst problems around cities and that Oshkosh in particular has no vision or planning at all, just allows helter skelter development wherever. Really odd that these same people saw no problem at all when they okayed putting the new SuperWalmart smack dab in a residential neighborhood. Nor did they care when the city put a new 4-lane through the heart of the historic district, purely residential -- and couldn't even come up with traffic counts to support it. Funny thing is, the first proposal was in the industrial park on the outskirts of Oshkosh -- but Oh no, Oshkosh wouldn't let them do that. I really think it was a matter of somebody not getting paid off. It's really funny that the Oshkosh Chamber of Commerce is so dead set against it, even when it's not in Oshkosh. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Gel point benefits of Acid Base processing
Joe Giacomini wrote: Do you have a comparison between batches processed in the single step method and in this dual stage method from the same starting material? No I don't. But that's a low CFPP. And the choice of feedstock matters, of course. Maybe you'd like to experiment a bit? If you do, please let us know the results. Keith Keith Addison wrote: Joe Giacomini wrote Is there some quantitative data on how the gel point is improved by using the two stage conversion process at: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html ,known as the Foolproof method for making biodiesel. This method has twp parts where acid (sulferic acid and methanol) is used first to remove FFA's then a base (lye and methanol)to perform the transesterification. It seems logical that this should greatly improve the gel point. Lab tests of fuel made this way gave these results: Spec. grav. (density) 886g/l Kin. visc. 4.7 mm2/sec CFPP -9 deg C IR spectrum equal to control samples from commercial producers in Austria CFPP = cold filter plugging point See: National standards for biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#biodstds Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: County Board gives the OK for ethanol plant.
That's great, Motie, well done. Nice balanced approach. There are other such problems: http://www.startribune.com/stories/1405/2131276.html St. Paul council deadlocks on ethanol plant measures, Star Tribune, Mar 28, 2002: The St. Paul City Council deadlocked Wednesday on efforts to hasten an end to repugnant odor and noise from the Gopher State Ethanol plant in the W. 7th Street area. http://www.jsonline.com:80/news/state/jan01/ethanol12011101a.asp Ethanol proposal fuels outcry, too -- Dodge County neighbors fear smell, traffic at gas additive plant, Journal Sentinel, Jan. 11, 2001: An Onalaska firm wants to build an ethanol plant in Dodge County, but residents are fighting the plan because of concerns about ground water, truck traffic and the smell of fermenting corn. Maybe more than that. Doesn't help a lot. Best Keith All, I wrote a fairly long letter to the webmaster of the opposition group. I explained that I am interested in Ethanol and alternative, renewable fuels, and he has a lot of disinformation on his site. I sent him links to factual information that debunks the Pimental 'study'. I read the Letters to the Editor by concerned citizens and nearly all the newspaper stories about the issue. My personal position is in opposition to the LOCATION of this proposed plant. I explained to the webmaster, that I understood his opposition, but he really needs to focus a bit, and oppose the SITING of the plant, not the plant itself, and that promoting a LOT of disinformation that is easily debunked is NOT helping his credibility. Demonizing the industry with false info is not doing any of us any good. He needs to focus his opposition on the LOCATION, based on noise and the arsenic problem in the water. I agreed with him that a residential neighborhood is NOT the place to build an industrial facility of any kind. I explained that using a Fire hazard as a reason is not really valid, and weakens his position as it makes him seem to be grasping at straws. Gas stations and convenience stores are routinely located in neighborhoods, and tanker trucks are how it is delivered. I would join him in opposition to a Petroleum Oil Refinery being built in a residential area too. I suggested he needs to get the false and misleading information off of his website to regain his credibility nad I would help him in an attempt to find a more suitable location for the plant. The location is the problem, from what I can see of it. We don't need some lamebrain putting an unwanted Ethanol plant in a residential neighborhood, and stirring resentment against the Renewable and Alternative Fuels industry. Maybe I can moderate, and help both sides find a solution. I didn;t write the the promoter, yet. Motie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Gel point benefits of Acid Base processing
Do you have a comparison between batches processed in the single step method and in this dual stage method from the same starting material? Keith Addison wrote: Joe Giacomini wrote Is there some quantitative data on how the gel point is improved by using the two stage conversion process at: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html ,known as the Foolproof method for making biodiesel. This method has twp parts where acid (sulferic acid and methanol) is used first to remove FFA's then a base (lye and methanol)to perform the transesterification. It seems logical that this should greatly improve the gel point. Lab tests of fuel made this way gave these results: Spec. grav. (density) 886g/l Kin. visc. 4.7 mm2/sec CFPP -9 deg C IR spectrum equal to control samples from commercial producers in Austria CFPP = cold filter plugging point See: National standards for biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#biodstds Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Fw: [biofuel] Biodiesel bill becomes law in Minnesota
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Pepu2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The members that represent power companies say other customers have to pay more because of you. They flat don't want you on line. I don't understand that argument at all. By reducing the Peak Load, I should be saving ALL the customers money. Motie if power company has to pay you full retail price, they in fact are buying electricity above the natural cost (e.g. avoided cost). or lets put it this way, government makes them subsidisie your operations in a name of environmental solutions. As it is a commercial operation that must do the subsidising, then they want to recover their expense somewhere -- in this case by rising prices to customers. In actual figures, I think they save money be reducing the Peak Rates they pay for power. Each individual situation would be slightly different, but a very large percentage of customers here are on base load management programs, and have their power cut off whenever the load gets high. If I were hooked up, several of these customers could have power during these times, and the power is from renewable local sources. I'm negotiating with a local commercial customer to install as a backup system at his facility. He isn't happy with the current situation either. thinking further -- there is nothing wrong of rising the final price of energy, it should reflect the cost of sustainable and environmental production. those costs should also make customers save more energy thus helping the environment as well... Or would they attempt to 'fudge' a bit, and end up being worse for the environment. When the price was raised at the landfill for disposal of washers and dryers and refrigerators and tires and old mattresses, they started appearing in roadside ditches instead. My Father in law 'salvaged' several lawn mowers from the road side and sold them at a garage sale. I bought one of them, and run it on Ethanol. We broke the connecting rod in a couple more 'experimenting'. They don't have as much torque as on gasoline, because the compression really isn't high enough to burn efficiently. The connecting rods will only stand so many RPM's. Rating speed is 3600. They don't seem to care for 5000. 4200 or 4500 seem to be OK so far. I may shave the head on a couple to raise the compression ratio, and lower the RPMs a bit...4000 or so. I also want to play with cellulose-Ethanol fermentation to use grass clippings to provide the fuel for them. I still haven't figured out the amount of vacuum needed to remove the Ethanol at a temp that will allow the yeasts to survive. It isn't vacuum distillation I am looking for, it's more vacuum fermentation. If anyone has any insights to this, please post them. So many ideas, so little time. LOL Motie Too soon old, too late smart! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: County Board gives the OK for ethanol plant.
Funny, isn't it, the way that a time-honored Wisconsin industry like a brewery is now somehow undesirable because of concerns about ground water, truck traffic and the smell of fermenting corn. Especially hereabouts where the aroma of paper mills floats the evening breeze quite often, but no one seems to be complaining. On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 06:23:00AM +0900, Keith Addison wrote: That's great, Motie, well done. Nice balanced approach. There are other such problems: http://www.startribune.com/stories/1405/2131276.html St. Paul council deadlocks on ethanol plant measures, Star Tribune, Mar 28, 2002: The St. Paul City Council deadlocked Wednesday on efforts to hasten an end to repugnant odor and noise from the Gopher State Ethanol plant in the W. 7th Street area. http://www.jsonline.com:80/news/state/jan01/ethanol12011101a.asp Ethanol proposal fuels outcry, too -- Dodge County neighbors fear smell, traffic at gas additive plant, Journal Sentinel, Jan. 11, 2001: An Onalaska firm wants to build an ethanol plant in Dodge County, but residents are fighting the plan because of concerns about ground water, truck traffic and the smell of fermenting corn. Maybe more than that. Doesn't help a lot. Best Keith All, I wrote a fairly long letter to the webmaster of the opposition group. I explained that I am interested in Ethanol and alternative, renewable fuels, and he has a lot of disinformation on his site. I sent him links to factual information that debunks the Pimental 'study'. I read the Letters to the Editor by concerned citizens and nearly all the newspaper stories about the issue. My personal position is in opposition to the LOCATION of this proposed plant. I explained to the webmaster, that I understood his opposition, but he really needs to focus a bit, and oppose the SITING of the plant, not the plant itself, and that promoting a LOT of disinformation that is easily debunked is NOT helping his credibility. Demonizing the industry with false info is not doing any of us any good. He needs to focus his opposition on the LOCATION, based on noise and the arsenic problem in the water. I agreed with him that a residential neighborhood is NOT the place to build an industrial facility of any kind. I explained that using a Fire hazard as a reason is not really valid, and weakens his position as it makes him seem to be grasping at straws. Gas stations and convenience stores are routinely located in neighborhoods, and tanker trucks are how it is delivered. I would join him in opposition to a Petroleum Oil Refinery being built in a residential area too. I suggested he needs to get the false and misleading information off of his website to regain his credibility nad I would help him in an attempt to find a more suitable location for the plant. The location is the problem, from what I can see of it. We don't need some lamebrain putting an unwanted Ethanol plant in a residential neighborhood, and stirring resentment against the Renewable and Alternative Fuels industry. Maybe I can moderate, and help both sides find a solution. I didn;t write the the promoter, yet. Motie Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] More world oil use, pollution seen by 2020 - US
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/15210/story.htm Planet Ark : More world oil use, pollution seen by 2020 - US USA: March 27, 2002 WASHINGTON - World oil demand is expected to grow an average 2.2 percent annually over the next two decades, helping to spew an extra 3.8 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions a year into the atmosphere by 2020, a U.S. government energy agency said yesterday. With world energy use at the center of the debate over global warming, the forecast from the U.S. Energy Information Administration warns that developing countries will produce more of the world's heat-trapping greenhouse gases. World carbon dioxide emissions are projected to rise from 6.1 metric tons in 1999 to 7.9 billion metric tons per year in 2010 and 9.9 billion metric tons in 2020, the Energy Department's analytical arm said in its annual international energy outlook. Much of the projected increase in carbon dioxide emissions is expected to occur in the developing world, where emerging economies are expected to produce the largest increase in energy consumption, EIA said. Even if the industrialized nations act to reduce carbon dioxide emissions, the agency warned that continued heavy reliance on coal and other fossil fuels in developing countries means greenhouse gases spewing levels will grow substantially over the next two decades. To tackle carbon dioxide emissions industrialized nations would lower their greenhouse gas levels the most under the pending Kyoto Treaty, while individual developing countries would not have to curb their pollution as much, if at all. The Bush administration said the United States would not take part in the treaty, because industrialized countries would be subject to harsher emission limits that the White House feared would hurt the U.S. economy. Oil, which is a major source of greenhouse gas emissions, is expected to remain the world's dominant energy source through 2020, with a 40-percent share of total energy consumption, EIA said. World oil demand is forecast to increase from the current 76 million barrels per day (bpd) to 119 million bpd by 2020, EIA said. Most of the increase in oil use would come from transportation fuel, especially in the developing world where improving economies will enable more people to own vehicles. Still, oil's share of the world energy pie will not increase over the coming two decades because many countries are expected to switch from petroleum to natural gas and other fuels, especially for electricity generation, EIA said. Demand for coal, the biggest source of carbon dioxide emissions, is expected to grow at a slow 1.7 percent per year through 2020. Coal's share of energy use is projected to fall from 22 percent to 20 percent, but the decline would be greater except for large increases in coal demand in developing Asian countries like China and India, EIA said. Renewable energy use, which environmental groups have pushed as a way to lower greenhouse gas emissions, is forecast to increase 53 percent by 2020. However, renewables' current 9-percent share of total energy consumption is projected to drop to 8 percent in two decades, EIA said. Natural gas demand will have the fastest growth in global energy consumption, increasing 3.2 percent annually from the current 85 trillion cubic feet a year (Tcf) to almost 162 Tcf by 2020, the agency said. . By Tom Doggett WASHINGTON - World oil demand is expected to grow an average 2.2 percent annually over the next two decades, helping to spew an extra 3.8 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions a year into the atmosphere by 2020, a U.S. government energy agency said yesterday. With world energy use at the center of the debate over global warming, the forecast from the U.S. Energy Information Administration warns that developing countries will produce more of the world's heat-trapping greenhouse gases. World carbon dioxide emissions are projected to rise from 6.1 metric tons in 1999 to 7.9 billion metric tons per year in 2010 and 9.9 billion metric tons in 2020, the Energy Department's analytical arm said in its annual international energy outlook. Much of the projected increase in carbon dioxide emissions is expected to occur in the developing world, where emerging economies are expected to produce the largest increase in energy consumption, EIA said. Even if the industrialized nations act to reduce carbon dioxide emissions, the agency warned that continued heavy reliance on coal and other fossil fuels in developing countries means greenhouse gases spewing levels will grow substantially over the next two decades. To tackle carbon dioxide emissions industrialized nations would lower their greenhouse gas levels the most under the pending Kyoto Treaty, while individual developing countries would not have to curb their pollution as much, if at all. The Bush administration said the United States would
Re: [biofuel] Diesel Roto-tiller...
Thanks Kris. That is a bit interesting. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kris Book To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Diesel Roto-tiller... Todd, I couldn't find a diesel rototiller but here is a link to a walk behind diesel garden tractor that has a disc and plow attachment. kris http://www.chinaimporters.com/tractors/walking-tractors.htm __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Diesel Roto-tiller...
Thanks Harmon. Call will go out on Monday. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Harmon Seaver To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Diesel Roto-tiller... Check out BCS -- they used to have a diesel model. Kubota's are great little tractors, but they don't fit the niche that two-wheeled garden tractors do -- too big and clumsy to till between the rows, etc. http://www.bcs-america.com If they don't have a current diesel model, they have a dealer who specializes in diesel conversions. On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 05:58:36PM -, gawchicken2001 wrote: You can always use those small diesel powered tractors like Kubota, and I believe there about a dozen others with a tiller on the back. I have used one for over ten years and they work great. gaw-- - In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry no I don't. I have been looking around my self. If you hear of one, could you let me know? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 18:20 Subject: [biofuel] Diesel Roto-tiller... Anyone know of a US manufacturer or distributor of a diesel powered roto-tiller of healthy capacity? No luck on internet searches as of yet. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] yahoo change in email policy to affect use of group (?)
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[biofuel] Yeast idea: was Re: Fw: Biodiesel bill becomes law in Minnesota
motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also want to play with cellulose-Ethanol fermentation to use grass clippings to provide the fuel for them. I still haven't figured out the amount of vacuum needed to remove the Ethanol at a temp that will allow the yeasts to survive. It isn't vacuum distillation I am looking for, it's more vacuum fermentation. If anyone has any insights to this, please post them. Here's an idea for you: Grow your own strain of yeast. Contact a yeast supplier like Wyeast or DCL. Talk to them about your project. They might be able to supply a high temperature yeast for you to use as a starter. You'll need some microbiological growing equipment. You'll need an incubator, and an autoclave wouldn't be a bad idea. Start the process by growing the yeast at the very hottest end of its range. Keep slowly, incrementally cranking up the temperature on the incubator, and culture the yeast that survives and grows the best. Sooner or later you'll end up with a strain of yeast that will be able to survive very high temperatures. It may take a while but it'll happen. Of course, by the end of the process you'll probably be able to write a doctoral dissertation on yeast, but that part of the interest of the project, isn't it. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
