Re: [biofuel] (Biodiesel) Black Oil.
Friend of mine operates what he calls The Worlds Longest Vegetable Run. He carts fresh fruit and vegetables from the Atherton Tableland, west of Cairns,Queensland,Australia across to Normanton in the Gulf of Carpentaria. He heard that I was making BD and began collecting WVO and WAF for me on his return runs. Included in the different brands he picks up are drums of ETA Reward, Longlife Deep frying Oil. This oil is very dark in colour and quite thick. Strangely enough the drums contain only oil, there is no solid beef tallow present. All other waste oils I have used have contained quite a bit of tallow in the drum. (Results from the habit of using chips which have been precooked in beef tallow). The oil titrated at 9.0 ml so it was well used. It processed true to titration giving a very dark BD.There should have been tallow present so I guessed that for some reason the tallow was soluble in the Reward. Tested this out by heating this well used oil and adding melted beef tallow to it. Used 20ml samples of the oil and added from 1ml up to 17.5ml to a range of samples. All samples gave a clear solution, which was stable on cooling to room temp, ie no tallow dropout. The 20ml +17.5ml sample was pretty thick but still a uniform liquid. Contacted Goodman Fielder (the manufacturer) and spoke to the Chief Chemist. He informed me that Reward is based on Canola Oil. During processing the oil is hydrogenated. This process is used to produce solid cooking oil from VO. Hydrogenation produces saturated oil. In the case of Reward either the process is stopped before a solid is formed or the canola may not hydrogenate to a solid. The chemist was unaware that Reward dissolved Beef Tallow. I guess it is a case of like dissolving like. The tallow would be saturated fats and the Reward would have a high degree of saturation. The drum states, Fats 100%, Saturated Fat 20%, Monounsaturated 35%, Polyunsaturated 0% ( about 45% not mentioned here). In light of Rewards tendency to dissolve beef tallow, would this be useful in SVO applications? The oil/tallow mix would stay liquid in the tank as it cooled. Regards, Paul Gobert. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] NaOH moisture protection
- Original Message - From: Jonathan Pennington [EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] I guess my worry is that it will absorb significant amounts of water vapor while I'm measuring it for the methoxide. Jonathan, I'm from Tropical North Queensland Oz where the humidity seldom dips below 90%. Weighing out reagent grade pellets sees a slick of moisture develope on them. Have a 10kg pail of NaOH for BD production which is almost empty. NaOH is in form of pearls, no problem with moisture absorption. Just be quick with your weighing, leaving your bulk supply exposed to the moist air for as short a time as possible. Could help to mark up your weighing vessel to approx weights so as to speed the process. Suspect that these pearls might have a thin coating of wax or something to protect them from moist air. Regards, Paul Gobert. -J * Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020421 09:48]: Have you tried putting it in a sealed container? Has anyone tried storing lye in oil to prevent it from absorbing moisture? -- Jonathan Pennington | [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's hard to take life too seriously when you realize yours is a joke. -original Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] religion and biofuel...
I know if I were half a moderator I'd've put a stop to all this by now, but on the other hand, isn't it interesting what can happen when Americans discuss oil? Quite an eye-opener, I'm not even sure it's off-topic, from that point of view. Anyway I fell asleep. And actually I'm very impressed - we're NOT all calling each other Nazis, or not yet at least. But yes, let's drop it now - no more religion, okay? Thanks. Keith Moderator-of-sorts Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] OPEC, Big Oil and you - 12
The Seven Sisters The Great Oil Companies and the World They Made Anthony Sampson Hodder and Stoughton, 1975, ISBN 0 340 19427 8 Chapter 13 - part 1 The Reckoning It is time we began the process of demystifying the inner sanctum of this most secret of industries. -- Senator Church, December 1973 AS SOON as the embargo began, in October 1973, the seven sisters were compelled, at the risk of forfeiting their concessions, to be the instruments of the world-wide cutback in oil. They had to allocate their oil in a way that would not appear to defy the Arabs' boycott, yet would satisfy their customers throughout the world. And the American companies had to enforce an embargo of their own home country. The angry question came up ferociously: where are the oil companies' true loyalties? To put it another way, it was an abrupt test of the companies' multi-nationality; could they, in this crisis, continue to be all things to all countries? It was not a test the companies wished to face; they preferred not 'to play god'. In the previous months some of them had made it clear to their governments that it should be their job, not the companies', to decide how the oil should be shared. But the consuming governments had no wish to face up to such a divisive responsibility. There had been many discussions within the OECD about forming a common front or an emergency committee to share out supplies -- particularly since the Libya fiasco in 1971. But the consuming governments could not agree. TheJapanese, being the most dependent, wanted the sharing to be on the basis of overall needs of the economy; the United States, having the most internal production, wanted it on the basis of imports. (See Testimony of Professor Robert B. Stobaugh (July 25, 1974) in Multinational Hearings: Part 9.) Faced with a united OPEC, the consuming governments were thoroughly disunited, and quite unable to agree on a basis of rationing (rather as OPEC had originally been indecisive about pro-rationing). The sisters were thus landed with the job of serving as a kind of temporary world government, for four or five months, to re-allocate the world's oil. Or as one of their executives put it: 'We became the world's slaves, beaten, abused by all and loved by none'. The companies were very vulnerable to pressures from every side, but specially from the producing governments who were more effectively organised and, more important to their future, able to guarantee or hold back their long-term supplies of crude oil. The companies were now seen by their critics, more than ever, as hostages of foreign powers. The concept of the companies as the instruments of their countries' foreign policy had been rapidly turned upside down. The Share-out The companies were able to perform this controversial task through the intricate computer systems by which they regulated the movements of their tankers and cargoes throughout the world. Exxon, of course, had the most elaborate system, on the 25th floor of its Manhattan skyscraper; with the rows of TV screens recording in green letters the movements of the five hundred Exxon tankers between sixty-five different countries. Its masterful computerised system called Logics linked its headquarters from New York, Houston and Tokyo. Now, overnight, Logics faced its ultimate test of rationality: to work out how to supply and cut back every country equally. As the embargo descended, the staff worked late into the night and into weekends, calculating the effects of the Arab cutback, diverting the movements of the tankers, trying both to obey Arab instructions and to fulfil long-term contracts. 'It became clear to us that it wasn't a business operation, but a political one', as one executive recalled; 'that's why we wanted to stay out of decisions'. Exxon's regional presidents in Europe, Asia or Latin America were watching their headquarters like hawks and bitterly complaining after a discrimination against their part of the world. Sometimes they flew into New York to make their complaints to the board. 'Didn't you feel', I asked one of the New York managers, 'that you were ruling the world?' 'No, the world was ruling us'. It was a lesson in the burdens of a multinational corporation -- in the suspicions, conflicts and sensitivities of their nation-clients. The American companies' most awkward problem was in supplying their own country, as the main target of the Arab embargo. Before the embargo America was importing 1.2 million barrels of Arab oil a day; by February it was down to 18,000 barrels -- a drop of 98 percent. This cut meant a drop in total U.S. oil supplies of 7.4 percent. In theory, the oil companies should have been able to take oil instead from non-Arab sources, particularly from Venezuela and Iran, which had not joined the boycott. But the imports from Iran went up only from 200,000 to 400,000 barrels a day -- still a fraction of the
[biofuel] Titration point
This may sound like a stupid question, there are such things in my book. If I'm using a pH meter instead of Phenolphthalein to titrate my WVO, should I just add the lye/water solution until I reach 8-9 pH? The real question is, am I merely going for a slightly basic solution or is there a certain *specific* pH that I'm trying to reach. By the way, for any others who would email me about my buying a pH meter and the foolproof 2-stage method. I realize that it exists and that I don't need to titrate using it. I am *choosing* not to use it because I want to titrate, and want a single step. Just thought I'd save some people the trouble of emailing me. Thanks all -J -- Jonathan Pennington | [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's hard to take life too seriously when you realize yours is a joke. -original Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Huge Hydrogen Stores Found Below Earth's Crust
Mr Rabello, my sentiments exactly. Glenn Ellis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] NaOH moisture protection
Has anyone tried storing lye in oil to prevent it from absorbing moisture? Here in Coastal South Carolina, USA, the humidity is 75% on a dry day. It might cause a problem when making the sodium methoxide, but then again, I'm still waiting on my supplies, so I haven't played with anything yet. Just a thought. -J -- Jonathan Pennington | [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's hard to take life too seriously when you realize yours is a joke. -original Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] NaOH moisture protection
Have you tried putting it in a sealed container? --- Jonathan Pennington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone tried storing lye in oil to prevent it from absorbing moisture? Here in Coastal South Carolina, USA, the humidity is 75% on a dry day. It might cause a problem when making the sodium methoxide, but then again, I'm still waiting on my supplies, so I haven't played with anything yet. Just a thought. -J -- Jonathan Pennington | [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's hard to take life too seriously when you realize yours is a joke. -original Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = -Martin Klingensmith http://archive.nnytech.net/ http://devzero.ath.cx/ http://www.nnytech.net/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Titration point
Be careful with phenolphthalein. It is the active ingredient in Exlax. Kirk -Original Message- From: Jonathan Pennington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 5:53 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Titration point This may sound like a stupid question, there are such things in my book. If I'm using a pH meter instead of Phenolphthalein to titrate my WVO, should I just add the lye/water solution until I reach 8-9 pH? The real question is, am I merely going for a slightly basic solution or is there a certain *specific* pH that I'm trying to reach. By the way, for any others who would email me about my buying a pH meter and the foolproof 2-stage method. I realize that it exists and that I don't need to titrate using it. I am *choosing* not to use it because I want to titrate, and want a single step. Just thought I'd save some people the trouble of emailing me. Thanks all -J -- Jonathan Pennington | [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's hard to take life too seriously when you realize yours is a joke. -original --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 4/17/2002 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] New to BD and this mail list.
Good day, Are there any BD groups or brave souls playing with BD in Ontario, Canada? I am looking to team up. Biofuelers, keep up the good work! Paul Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] religion and biofuel...and ATP
Religon and biofuel are connected in a way the none of us have the courage to acknowledge. the fact that all old alcohol producers become organic gardeners. you can feed a cow or your children food made from oil but you cannot feed your yeast showes the intelligance of ATP. the one chemical in every living thing, plant or animal.If there is a physical GOD it would have to be ATP. a cream soda was once flavored with glycerin but then they found out if you cook oil it taste just like a cream soda. oil is a magneticly transported waste product of ATP and we suck it out with straws and feed it to our children every day Ethanol production is the way out of this cycle. no artifical chemistry involved. get a grip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] NaOH moisture protection
I don't actually have it yet, it's still being shipped. I was just wondering about doing that. I guess my worry is that it will absorb significant amounts of water vapor while I'm measuring it for the methoxide. -J * Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020421 09:48]: Have you tried putting it in a sealed container? Has anyone tried storing lye in oil to prevent it from absorbing moisture? -- Jonathan Pennington | [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's hard to take life too seriously when you realize yours is a joke. -original Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] New to BD and this mail list.
What is your interest in BD? - Original Message - From: Paul Lochner To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:43 AM Subject: [biofuel] New to BD and this mail list. Good day, Are there any BD groups or brave souls playing with BD in Ontario, Canada? I am looking to team up. Biofuelers, keep up the good work! Paul Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] New to BD and this mail list.
Shukrainternationals, I have several diesel tractors and 3 oil furnaces. Basically farm uses. Paul Shukrainternationals wrote: What is your interest in BD? - Original Message - From: Paul Lochner To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:43 AM Subject: [biofuel] New to BD and this mail list. Good day, Are there any BD groups or brave souls playing with BD in Ontario, Canada? I am looking to team up. Biofuelers, keep up the good work! Paul Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Maine BioDiesel
Biodiesel in the state of Maine - Public Radio broadcast, USA. Read the report Living on Earth http://www.loe.org Archives 2002 Archives April 19, 2002 -or- listen to it (6:30 minutes) Real Player http://www.haa.harvard.edu/ath/video/0419022of10.ram MP3 http://www.loe.org/audio/020419/020419biodiesel.mp3 รทรทรท Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Huge Hydrogen Stores Found Below Earth's Crust
they keep rewriting them, mostly from the victors point of view, but that post was the least factual of any I've seen. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Huge Hydrogen Stores Found Below Earth's Crust On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 08:42:07PM -0400, steve spence wrote: Nice fantasy. No truth to it, but what the hell. No truth, eh? Gee, looked exactly like my kid's history books. Did they change them again? -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
