[biofuel] Re: details of Biodiesel Equipment Intensive, Santa Cruz, April 10 and 11
I think you already got one at the conference, and I've been out of them for a couple of months now. I'll be adding a few updates to the equipment stuff, but I'll also post those at www.veggieavenger.com/media along with color photos. Mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonderful work. Would the manual be available for those of us that live somewhat out of town and can't make it to the workshop? Tom Leue In a message dated 3/26/04 4:47:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We are hosting an intensive biodiesel equipment building class/workparty in April in Santa Cruz, California, aiming to make homebrew systems for several people by the end of the two-day class/workparty. Additionally, there'll be a showing of some biodiesel documentaries and a barbeque potluck on the first night, for those coming in from out of town. - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bush Administration Launches Misleading Hydrogen Tour - Secretary Abraham To Visit Six Cities Promoting Dirty Hydrogen Program
No research needs to be done on hydrogen!!! Ford is market testing hydrogen cells in Calaforina as we speak!!! They talked about it on The History Chanel's show Car teck of the future on Teusday - Original Message - From: Dave Donnelly To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bush Administration Launches Misleading Hydrogen Tour - Secretary Abraham To Visit Six Cities Promoting Dirty Hydrogen Program Bush has done this repeatedly; made committments in 'State of the Union' speeches which he has no intention of keeping. Bush may not be the brightest bulb on the tree, but his spin doctors are quick witted and cynical. Here are some examples: 10 billion for HIV/ AIDS in Africa. (Bush thinks Hmm.. that ought to shut up the social activists for a while. The fine print saying that we will only support programs which promote abstainance will appease the religious right and ensure that most of the money remains impossible to deliver. The Senate will bury it anyway.Either way Bush gets the nice guy points. Most poeple won't realize it never happened). Putting men on Mars. 360 billion or so...but who's counting ( This is gonna get all those Star Trek nerds to shut up and go back to trying to talk to aliens. Anyone who thinks that the house won't quietly scuttle this has lost 40 points of IQ by achieving a successful mind-meld with a cucumber. Bush wins political nerd points for even talking about it. Bonus points for keeping a straight face). Now, DOE to spend 1.7billion on hydrogen technology. (Bush thinks to himself, This ought to shut up those tree hugging eco-freaks. The DOE spends more on paper-clips, but a lot of soccer-moms with Greenpeace and Sierra Club bumper stickers on their 8 mpg Chevy Yukon's will breath a sigh of relief that the president is looking after the environment). Sorry if I'm ranting, but do you see a pattern? Dave rgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone can help me in explaining why Bush administration is willing to spend money on research for Hydrogen technologies instead on other natural resources such as biodiesel? I would be very interested if the explanation come from econonic or business or even technology's perspective. Hope the logic explanation is not political cause that is not logical. Have a nice day Ric G - Original Message - From: murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bush Administration Launches Misleading Hydrogen Tour - Secretary Abraham To Visit Six Cities Promoting Dirty Hydrogen Program Announced during the 2003 State of the Union address, the Bush Administration called on the Department of Energy to invest $1.7 billion in the research and development of hydrogen technologies, including automobiles, fuel cells, and hydrogen fuel infrastructure. However, the administration's hydrogen proposal requires industries to produce only hydrogen concept vehicles and demonstration technology. The mass production of hydrogen technologies is not mandated, and there are no detailed plans for the creation of the infrastructure, like filling stations, needed to support a hydrogen economy. Upon his election, I knew it was going to be a very bad four years for many of us who are fans of open public discourse, progressive ideas, progressive ideals, and what-not. And I asked myself if I thought my brain could survive that sort of starvation another four years. And the answer was no (are you kidding me?). And I asked myself if maybe the country could survive it, and the answer was 'maybe' or 'probably'. To me, it's the lack of discussion of important questions and answers that is the particularly damaging thing, not just the advocacy of debatable answers. Heaven forfend this man should have the word biofuel come out of his mouth. Heaven for fend 'solar' or 'wind' or 'conservation' or 'combining many efforts' or Plug-In-Hybrid-Electric-Vehicles. No. We are to listen to THE ANSWER, the 'one and only answer'. That answer of his (Hydrogen) is even damaged by his advocacy of it. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on
[biofuel] Drano is drano all right.
Well, I found a second hand blender with a glass bowl, but the only thing I could locate in the way of sodium hydroxide was drano, and as aticipated it don't work :-( Wasted (!) a good liter of canola (which is only good for this type of application anyway), so now it is back to the drawing board trying to find some real sodium hydroxide (we don't have Red Devil) or caustic soda. Any ideas as to where I can get it ? Second question; the garden center has a lye blend with iron and some other soil enhancer, but that probably won't work either huh? I can feel Mr. Frustration,my old enemy, trying to creep in there, but the fight ain't over yet,just a first round set back. Do chemical supply houses have caustic soda ? If I can find one of those maybe. The 5 liter methoxide mixer is out for a 45 liter batch huh? Ducky. What seems simple to the rest of the world is a major challenge for me. NOt too swift on the uptake I guess. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Corporate ethics
In a message dated 3/26/2004 12:01:30 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IF you don't mind, and even if you do, we can do without this toxic Wise Use BS. Thank you for your flame. I had not realized that the group was to be censored for political correctness or that ad hominem attacks could substitute for rational debate. My mistake... By the way, I can't get at the Bhopal archive, but I'll keep trying. Thanks for the citation. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] My new ride=TDi
Hey Busyditch, where in upstate NY are you? I'm in Chenango county, 30 minutes west of Oneonta. If you're not too far, you're welcome to come on over and see our biodiesel setup. And, even if you are too far, you're still welcome to come over. Running a '87 Mercedes 300 TD Turbo wagon, on B100 (most of the year!). Chris Busyditch wrote: Well, I am now officially a newbie. Tonight I go pick up my 2000 VW Golf GLS TDi.. 50k miles. I can't wait! I'll be selling my gaz guzzling pick up truck. I really did my homework, and some day hope to make my own biodiesel at my weekend home in upstate NY. (tho, not too many fast food rests. in my area of the Catskill Mtns) Someday I will buy a diesel pick up, and use my homebrewed fuel. Thanks to all those who have helped so far, this is a wonderful list. -busyditch Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] My new ride=TDi
Hey, I got an O3 Jetta TDI and am running 20% SVO. Anyone running B100 on a new VW 1.9 Turbo Diesel engine? I'm putting in 20% pure soy mixed with low sulphur (0.5%). Anyone got some tips on how lean I can go on the D2? Sumit - Original Message - From: Harriet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] My new ride=TDi Hey Busyditch, where in upstate NY are you? I'm in Chenango county, 30 minutes west of Oneonta. If you're not too far, you're welcome to come on over and see our biodiesel setup. And, even if you are too far, you're still welcome to come over. Running a '87 Mercedes 300 TD Turbo wagon, on B100 (most of the year!). Chris Busyditch wrote: Well, I am now officially a newbie. Tonight I go pick up my 2000 VW Golf GLS TDi.. 50k miles. I can't wait! I'll be selling my gaz guzzling pick up truck. I really did my homework, and some day hope to make my own biodiesel at my weekend home in upstate NY. (tho, not too many fast food rests. in my area of the Catskill Mtns) Someday I will buy a diesel pick up, and use my homebrewed fuel. Thanks to all those who have helped so far, this is a wonderful list. -busyditch Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] U.S. Will Give Cold Fusion Second Look, After 15 Years
See also: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.11/coldfusion_pr.html What If Cold Fusion Is Real? http://www.padrak.com/ine/WACF.html The War Against Cold Fusion - What's really behind it? http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/project173.html Power To The People - The Return of Cold Fusion --- http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/25/science/25FUSI.html U.S. Will Give Cold Fusion Second Look, After 15 Years By KENNETH CHANG Published: March 25, 2004 old fusion, briefly hailed as the silver-bullet solution to the world's energy problems and since discarded to the same bin of quackery as paranormal phenomena and perpetual motion machines, will soon get a new hearing from Washington. Despite being pushed to the fringes of physics, cold fusion has continued to be worked on by a small group of scientists, and they say their figures unambiguously verify the original report, that energy can be generated simply by running an electrical current through a jar of water. Last fall, cold fusion scientists asked the Energy Department to take a second look at the process, and last week, the department agreed. No public announcement was made. A British magazine, New Scientist, first reported the news this week, and Dr. James F. Decker, deputy director of the science office in the Energy Department, confirmed it in an e-mail interview. It was my personal judgment that their request for a review was reasonable, Dr. Decker said. For advocates of cold fusion, the new review brings them to the cusp of vindication after years of dismissive ridicule. I am absolutely delighted that the D.O.E. is finally going to do the right thing, Dr. Eugene F. Mallove, editor of Infinite Energy magazine, said. There can be no other conclusion than a major new window has opened on physics. The research is too preliminary to determine whether cold fusion, even if real, will live up to its initial billing as a cheap, bountiful source of energy, said Dr. Peter Hagelstein, a professor of electrical engineering and computer science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who has been working on a theory to explain how the process works. Experiments have generated small amounts of energy, from a fraction of a watt to a few watts. Still, Dr. Hagelstein added, I definitely think it has potential for commercial energy production. Dr. Decker said the scientists, not yet chosen, would probably spend a few days listening to presentations and then offer their thoughts individually. The review panel will not conduct experiments, he said. What's on the table is a fairly straightforward question, is there science here or not? Dr. Hagelstein said. Most fundamental to this is to get the taint associated with the field hopefully removed. Fusion, the process that powers the Sun, combines hydrogen atoms, releasing energy as a byproduct. In March 1989, Drs. B. Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann, two chemists at the University of Utah, said they had generated fusion in a tabletop experiment using a jar of heavy water, where the water molecules contain a heavier version of hydrogen, deuterium, and two palladium electrodes. A current running through the electrodes pulled deuterium atoms into the electrodes, which somehow generated heat, the scientists said. Dr. Fleischmann speculated that the heat was coming from fusion of the deuterium atoms. Other scientists trying to reproduce the seemingly simple experiment found the effects fickle and inconsistent. Because cold fusion, if real, cannot be explained by current theories, the inconsistent results convinced most scientists that it had not occurred. The signs of extra heat, critics said, were experimental mistakes or generated by the current or, perhaps, chemical reactions in the water, but not fusion. Critics also pointed out that to produce the amount of heat reported, conventional fusion reactions would throw out lethal amounts of radiation, and they argued that the continued health of Drs. Pons and Fleischmann, as well as other experimenters, was proof that no fusion occurred. Some cold fusion scientists now say they can produce as much as two to three times more energy than in the electric current. The results are also more reproducible, they say. They add that they have definitely seen fusion byproducts, particularly helium in quantities proportional to the heat generated. After a conference in August, Dr. Hagelstein wrote to Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham, asking for a meeting. Dr. Hagelstein; Dr. Michael McKubre of SRI International in Menlo Park, Calif.; and Dr. David J. Nagel of George Washington University met Dr. Decker on Nov. 6. They presented some data and asked for a review of the scientific research that has been conducted, Dr. Decker said. The scientists who came to see me are from excellent scientific institutions and have excellent credentials. Scientists working on conventional fusion said cold fusion
Re: [biofuel] Drano is drano all right.
I get Red devil Lye down the street from my house at Kroger's. Yes- that's right- the supermarket! -Michael Michael Patrick Lendzian Information Technology Manager Skidaway Institute of Oceanography Savannah, GA 31411 912.598.2330 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] U.S. Will Give Cold Fusion Second Look, After 15 Years
Keith, I am getting old and before that I pass away, I would like that someone take a third look on cold fusion. During the last 30 years, it has been nearly as many second looks on cold fusion as on hydrogen. Isn't it time for a third and maybe fourth look at them both, because I am getting the feeling that we are not getting anywhere. I do not understand why and also that it comes up when somebody talks about doing something with ready for use technologies. Hakan At 21:48 26/03/2004, you wrote: See also: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.11/coldfusion_pr.htmlhttp://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.11/coldfusion_pr.html What If Cold Fusion Is Real? http://www.padrak.com/ine/WACF.htmlhttp://www.padrak.com/ine/WACF.html The War Against Cold Fusion - What's really behind it? http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/project173.htmlhttp://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/project173.html Power To The People - The Return of Cold Fusion --- http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/25/science/25FUSI.htmlhttp://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/25/science/25FUSI.html U.S. Will Give Cold Fusion Second Look, After 15 Years By KENNETH CHANG Published: March 25, 2004 old fusion, briefly hailed as the silver-bullet solution to the world's energy problems and since discarded to the same bin of quackery as paranormal phenomena and perpetual motion machines, will soon get a new hearing from Washington. Despite being pushed to the fringes of physics, cold fusion has continued to be worked on by a small group of scientists, and they say their figures unambiguously verify the original report, that energy can be generated simply by running an electrical current through a jar of water. Last fall, cold fusion scientists asked the Energy Department to take a second look at the process, and last week, the department agreed. No public announcement was made. A British magazine, New Scientist, first reported the news this week, and Dr. James F. Decker, deputy director of the science office in the Energy Department, confirmed it in an e-mail interview. It was my personal judgment that their request for a review was reasonable, Dr. Decker said. For advocates of cold fusion, the new review brings them to the cusp of vindication after years of dismissive ridicule. I am absolutely delighted that the D.O.E. is finally going to do the right thing, Dr. Eugene F. Mallove, editor of Infinite Energy magazine, said. There can be no other conclusion than a major new window has opened on physics. The research is too preliminary to determine whether cold fusion, even if real, will live up to its initial billing as a cheap, bountiful source of energy, said Dr. Peter Hagelstein, a professor of electrical engineering and computer science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who has been working on a theory to explain how the process works. Experiments have generated small amounts of energy, from a fraction of a watt to a few watts. Still, Dr. Hagelstein added, I definitely think it has potential for commercial energy production. Dr. Decker said the scientists, not yet chosen, would probably spend a few days listening to presentations and then offer their thoughts individually. The review panel will not conduct experiments, he said. What's on the table is a fairly straightforward question, is there science here or not? Dr. Hagelstein said. Most fundamental to this is to get the taint associated with the field hopefully removed. Fusion, the process that powers the Sun, combines hydrogen atoms, releasing energy as a byproduct. In March 1989, Drs. B. Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann, two chemists at the University of Utah, said they had generated fusion in a tabletop experiment using a jar of heavy water, where the water molecules contain a heavier version of hydrogen, deuterium, and two palladium electrodes. A current running through the electrodes pulled deuterium atoms into the electrodes, which somehow generated heat, the scientists said. Dr. Fleischmann speculated that the heat was coming from fusion of the deuterium atoms. Other scientists trying to reproduce the seemingly simple experiment found the effects fickle and inconsistent. Because cold fusion, if real, cannot be explained by current theories, the inconsistent results convinced most scientists that it had not occurred. The signs of extra heat, critics said, were experimental mistakes or generated by the current or, perhaps, chemical reactions in the water, but not fusion. Critics also pointed out that to produce the amount of heat reported, conventional fusion reactions would throw out lethal amounts of radiation, and they argued that the continued health of Drs. Pons and Fleischmann, as well as other experimenters, was proof that no fusion occurred. Some cold fusion scientists now say they can produce as much as two to three times more energy than in the electric current. The results are also more reproducible, they say. They add that they
Re: [biofuel] My new ride=TDi
Hey Chris, thanks for the invite. I may take you up on it. My house is in Fleischmans, right by Bellayre ski area, in Delaware Cty. I love it up there, and wish to move as soon as child support stops beating me up,maybe in 3-4 years. So keep in touch, Im about to take the Golf for the first real ride, got my insurance today, tomorrow I go for some new tires, I love the Toyos. See ya busyditch - Original Message - From: Harriet To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] My new ride=TDi Hey Busyditch, where in upstate NY are you? I'm in Chenango county, 30 minutes west of Oneonta. If you're not too far, you're welcome to come on over and see our biodiesel setup. And, even if you are too far, you're still welcome to come over. Running a '87 Mercedes 300 TD Turbo wagon, on B100 (most of the year!). Chris Busyditch wrote: Well, I am now officially a newbie. Tonight I go pick up my 2000 VW Golf GLS TDi.. 50k miles. I can't wait! I'll be selling my gaz guzzling pick up truck. I really did my homework, and some day hope to make my own biodiesel at my weekend home in upstate NY. (tho, not too many fast food rests. in my area of the Catskill Mtns) Someday I will buy a diesel pick up, and use my homebrewed fuel. Thanks to all those who have helped so far, this is a wonderful list. -busyditch Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Hokum Round-up
Dihydrogen Monoxide is water. - Original Message - From: murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Hokum Round-up On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 18:51:28 EST, you wrote: Dihydrogen Monoxide Research Division - dihydrogen monoxide info Every concerned environmentalist should visit this site. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] What site? You are sending messages to the group which appear to have some parts of them removed when they reach my email. A simple pasting of the link is I think what you're looking for. Probably you meant this one: http://www.dhmo.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bush Administration Launches Misleading Hydrogen Tour - Secretary Abraham To Visit Six Cities Promoting Dirty Hydrogen Program
Pattern? You mean like a crop circle? Don't know about no stinking patterns. But thanks for the chuckle. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Dave Donnelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bush Administration Launches Misleading Hydrogen Tour - Secretary Abraham To Visit Six Cities Promoting Dirty Hydrogen Program Bush has done this repeatedly; made committments in 'State of the Union' speeches which he has no intention of keeping. Bush may not be the brightest bulb on the tree, but his spin doctors are quick witted and cynical. Here are some examples: 10 billion for HIV/ AIDS in Africa. (Bush thinks Hmm.. that ought to shut up the social activists for a while. The fine print saying that we will only support programs which promote abstainance will appease the religious right and ensure that most of the money remains impossible to deliver. The Senate will bury it anyway. Either way Bush gets the nice guy points. Most poeple won't realize it never happened). Putting men on Mars. 360 billion or so...but who's counting ( This is gonna get all those Star Trek nerds to shut up and go back to trying to talk to aliens. Anyone who thinks that the house won't quietly scuttle this has lost 40 points of IQ by achieving a successful mind-meld with a cucumber. Bush wins political nerd points for even talking about it. Bonus points for keeping a straight face). Now, DOE to spend 1.7billion on hydrogen technology. (Bush thinks to himself, This ought to shut up those tree hugging eco-freaks. The DOE spends more on paper-clips, but a lot of soccer-moms with Greenpeace and Sierra Club bumper stickers on their 8 mpg Chevy Yukon's will breath a sigh of relief that the president is looking after the environment). Sorry if I'm ranting, but do you see a pattern? Dave rgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone can help me in explaining why Bush administration is willing to spend money on research for Hydrogen technologies instead on other natural resources such as biodiesel? I would be very interested if the explanation come from econonic or business or even technology's perspective. Hope the logic explanation is not political cause that is not logical. Have a nice day Ric G - Original Message - From: murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bush Administration Launches Misleading Hydrogen Tour - Secretary Abraham To Visit Six Cities Promoting Dirty Hydrogen Program Announced during the 2003 State of the Union address, the Bush Administration called on the Department of Energy to invest $1.7 billion in the research and development of hydrogen technologies, including automobiles, fuel cells, and hydrogen fuel infrastructure. However, the administration's hydrogen proposal requires industries to produce only hydrogen concept vehicles and demonstration technology. The mass production of hydrogen technologies is not mandated, and there are no detailed plans for the creation of the infrastructure, like filling stations, needed to support a hydrogen economy. Upon his election, I knew it was going to be a very bad four years for many of us who are fans of open public discourse, progressive ideas, progressive ideals, and what-not. And I asked myself if I thought my brain could survive that sort of starvation another four years. And the answer was no (are you kidding me?). And I asked myself if maybe the country could survive it, and the answer was 'maybe' or 'probably'. To me, it's the lack of discussion of important questions and answers that is the particularly damaging thing, not just the advocacy of debatable answers. Heaven forfend this man should have the word biofuel come out of his mouth. Heaven for fend 'solar' or 'wind' or 'conservation' or 'combining many efforts' or Plug-In-Hybrid-Electric-Vehicles. No. We are to listen to THE ANSWER, the 'one and only answer'. That answer of his (Hydrogen) is even damaged by his advocacy of it. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject
Re: [biofuel] My new ride=TDi
Do you have a pre heater, or just running the SVO straight with the diesel? I dont htinkI could do that herein the NE US, where the ambient temp is too cold most of the year. - Original Message - From: Sumit To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] My new ride=TDi Hey, I got an O3 Jetta TDI and am running 20% SVO. Anyone running B100 on a new VW 1.9 Turbo Diesel engine? I'm putting in 20% pure soy mixed with low sulphur (0.5%). Anyone got some tips on how lean I can go on the D2? Sumit - Original Message - From: Harriet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] My new ride=TDi Hey Busyditch, where in upstate NY are you? I'm in Chenango county, 30 minutes west of Oneonta. If you're not too far, you're welcome to come on over and see our biodiesel setup. And, even if you are too far, you're still welcome to come over. Running a '87 Mercedes 300 TD Turbo wagon, on B100 (most of the year!). Chris Busyditch wrote: Well, I am now officially a newbie. Tonight I go pick up my 2000 VW Golf GLS TDi.. 50k miles. I can't wait! I'll be selling my gaz guzzling pick up truck. I really did my homework, and some day hope to make my own biodiesel at my weekend home in upstate NY. (tho, not too many fast food rests. in my area of the Catskill Mtns) Someday I will buy a diesel pick up, and use my homebrewed fuel. Thanks to all those who have helped so far, this is a wonderful list. -busyditch Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] jatropha enzymatic transesterification
can anyone say the methodology of enzyme transesterification of jatropha oil? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - non-chemical production of biodiesel http://pubs.acs.org/cgi- bin/sample.cgi/enfuem/2004/18/i01/html/ef030075z.html Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! India Insurance Special: Be informed on the best policies, services, tools and more. Go to: http://in.insurance.yahoo.com/licspecial/index.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Corporate ethics
ESBuck wrote: In a message dated 3/26/2004 12:01:30 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IF you don't mind, and even if you do, we can do without this toxic Wise Use BS. Thank you for your flame. I had not realized that the group was to be censored for political correctness or that ad hominem attacks could substitute for rational debate. My mistake... Yes, ESBuck, your mistake - I wrote: Whatever, Ron Arnold et al don't care about facts and neither do you it seems, but that doesn't fly here, nor does trying to promote such attitudes, and nor does this long succession of non-responses. You'll respond to this before you get to post anything else here. Trying to argue the case for the Wise Use nutters won't fly either. Neither will a clutch of facile and all-too-predictable labellings and dismissal. Quite obvious enough to all I'm sure, but just for your sake, questioning the sources of what you post here and elsewhere in the guise of news and information and finding them very wanting indeed is not censoring the group for political correctness, and requiring you as a result to declare your interests is not an ad hominem attack. Let's just get this entirely straight, eh? There is no issue of political correctness here. Your Wise Use friends, if that's what they are, are a disease - they've caused and continue to cause immense harm and damage to the community and to the environment, in America and indeed in the world. What they produce is disinformation, pure and simple, it cannot go by any other name, it's deliberate, cynical, and, frankly, disgusting, as well as corrupt. Trying to spread this disease and its toxic content here is abuse of the list and abuse of your obligations as a member. So I'm afraid you don't get to sidestep it quite so easily, it requires a substantive response. You either are or you are not aware of the sources of your postings. If you are aware of it, then declare your interests and your purposes here on this list. If you're not aware of it then plead ignorance, apologise for posting disinformation, and check your sources in future. By the way, I can't get at the Bhopal archive, but I'll keep trying. Thanks for the citation. Keep trying what, ESBuck? To obfuscate? I provided more than a dozen links in the Bhopal refs, they all work just fine except the first one, which has changed (but it's easy enough to find it anyway): For what sum did Carbide find it worth risking the life of a whole Indian city? Union Carbide stored liquid MIC in Bhopal in huge tanks, far in excess of what ever would have been permitted in the US. MIC is a dangerously volatile chemical and these tanks were supposed to be kept cooled to 0 deg C. It is known that for some months prior to the huge and fatal gas leak of December 1984, the refrigeration system had been switched off to save the cost of freon gas. For the last 18 years, survivors have wondered just how much the company must have been saving, to make it worth risking the lives of an entire Indian city. Now we know. The figure was $37.68 per day. http://www.bhopal.net/unproventechnology.html The url should be: http://www.bhopal.net/oldsite/unproventechnology.html Keith Addison Biofuel liost owner ESBuck IF you don't mind, and even if you do, we can do without this toxic Wise Use BS. YOU can believe it if you want, but posting it to a Biofuel mailing list brings up a couple of questions. First, about your powers of discernment - don't you recognise the loaded language of spin when you see it? RAN is a radical activist group? But Driessen's anti-environment Wise Use Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow, Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise, Frontiers of Freedom, Atlas Economic Research Foundation, Economic Human Rights Project, et al, aren't? These are all industry-supported expert panels that work to undermine environmental regulations, against the public good. Anti-environment I said, yes - NOT anti-radical environmental groups, anti-environment plain and simple. Supported by which industries? The timber industry for one - trees won't grow properly, they say, unless forests are clear-cut, with government subsidies. Also by the chemicals industry - the hole in the ozone layer doesn't exist, carcinogenic chemicals in the air and water don't harm anyone. And so on. Founders of the so-called Wise Use movement Ron Arnold and Alan Gottlieb head Driessen's Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise. Ron Arnold told Outside Magazine that he chose the phrase wise use because it's ambiguous and fits neatly in newspaper headlines. Such duplicitous and opportunistic tactics are a trademark of the movement. Facts don't matter; in politics perception is reality, Arnold said. Arnold proclaims at every opportunity that his mission is to destroy the environmental movement. We want to destroy environmentalists by taking away their money and their members. Our goal is to
[biofuel] More on Carboys
Since my 5 liter methoxide mixer will no longer do for a 5 gal processor I was in need of a larger one, so while at the grocery store I noticed a lady with a spring water container and asked if I could see under it (so I could check the HDPE code) and there it was, HDPE 2. Ha! So I now have a 10 liter methoxide mixer and it was ALOT cheaper than the Mr Clean was (but won't clean a toilet quite as well) and these are in abundant supply should I need another. On MOnday I am waiting to heqar from a somewhat local hardware store that deals in pure lye for his country customers that use it in outhouses to, well, you know... He says it comes in 7Kg lots and isn't too dear (expensive)either, so though a minor set bcak there is light at the end of the tunnel. I should be able to produce my first test batch next week, and just in time to meet with the builder of my real processor. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Immersion Heaters
Is this the kind of immersion heater I should be looking at ? http://www.omega.ca/toc_asp/frameset_fr.html? book=Heatersfile=RI_RIO_RIS or would I be better off snooping in a scrap yard for something other than this? What was the type of Thermometer used in the 5 gal processor at Journey to Forever ? I have also discoverd that discarded (trashed only) shoping carts have great front wheels that are secured with a bolt and nut configuration so if something needs to be mobile (like a cabinet containing the biodiesel apparati) then these are economical and strong. One set of wheels and a set of blocks at the other end so it doesn't roll off and a handle on the side to lift it along. Good plan? I live in an apartment and have to be inventive as I will doing this in the heated garage where I park the park the car. There is a 110V outlet that I can use, so now I just have to get it all together. First step though is the test batch so I understand what it is I am trying to do. Thanks for your continued help and encouragement. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
