Re: [biofuel] wash tank
You can try Tractor Supply Co. or Farm Fleet.They are not on the net but they have various size poly containers for almost any purpose.Come to think of it I think Tractor Supply is on the net.Anyway,if you find their local phone no. they'll send you a free catalouge. Paul j_schearer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to know if anyone can direct me to a site where I can find a poly tank and possible stand for washing biodiesel. Do not have a lot of money to spend. Looking for 100 gal. or smaller. Any other suggestions are always welcomed. Thanks. Jonathan. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Rejoining list with a question
Thanks for the reply. I will need to learn more about biogas, but I had no intention of burning all my manure. Even if I did burn all the cow manure, I would still have all the rabbit, pig and human manure left to make compost with. Since there is just me and my husband when he retires on the farm, simplicity is an issue. As is cost, a steam generator is about $200 US, how much does it cost to set up biogas? How much extra work is it? I was thinking of only saving the manure for fuel while the cows are in the barn due to bad weather, [We are planning on moving to an area that has winter.] so we have to clean it up anyway. I remember reading that temperature had an effect on biogas production, how does it work when temperatures are below freezing? It has been a few years since I looked into this, so I will check it again, after the garden is finished being planted. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:32 PM 4/7/2004, you wrote: Kim, When you burn manure you remove the organic matter from the final product and retain only the minerals which can help the soil as an oxidized water soluble fertilizer. You, since you are operating sustainably, want to retain the organic matter as a component of your soil system I would suspect. I would suggest that you consider generating biogas using an anaerobic digester to reduce the carbon content by 35 - 50% into biogas containing 60-65% methane and then recover the remainder of the carbon solids as compost for your soil. Soil organic matter is absolutely required to farm sustainability. This system would allow you to recover energy from the manure in sealed tanks when the odor potential is highest and compost the remainder of the solids aerobically into a soil conditioner. You also have water to handle which has a very high nutrient content as a supplemental fertilizer and can be used in irrigation. Work with nature at each level and benefit multiple times. There has been an absolute revolution in anaerobic digestion over the past five years. The tankage requirement has dropped to 1/4 the gallons required only five years ago. The process which previously required 30 - 40 days now can be done in 8 - 10 days. Art Krenzel, P.E. PHOENIX TECHNOLOGIES 10505 NE 285TH Street Battle Ground, WA 98604 360-666-1883 voice [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 7:55 AM Subject: [biofuel] Rejoining list with a question Greetings, I was a member of this list for several years, but quit to have time to learn other things. I hope all the regulars are doing well, and I hope to get to know all the new people. My husband and I own 20 acres in Texas and we are trying to live and farm sustainably. For now we are on the grid, but hope to change that one day. We practise alternative building, such as paper adobe and cordwood. The question: This months issue of Backwoods Home Magazine has an article, by Rev. J.D. Hooker, on burning manure. It states that they get 'somewhat greater heating value than seasoned hardwood.'By using the ashes in the garden, after several years of application have reach a rate of 'more than 40% higher' than the garden with either commercial fertilizer or spread manure. He did not compare it to composted manure, so much testing of his 'findings' still needs to be done. If one can get both heat and fertilizer out of manure, then one could use the manure to fire a wood fuel steam generator and be totally sustainable. The author states he got the idea from a friend from Thailand. There are no flaws mentioned in the article, and the article is only about heat and the garden. The steam generator is my idea. This seems to easy and too perfect, what is the flaw that I have missed? Bright Blessings, Kim Keith, I told you I would be back grin Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo!
RE: [biofuel] Phenolphthalein
Sorry for the misinformation. I was recalling from my drinking days. Of which I have not done for many years. -Original Message- From: bob allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 8:16 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Phenolphthalein actually everclear is 190 proof, or 95 % alcohol. It is the highest concentration you can get by simple distillation of aqueous ethanol. If you begin with a mixture of alcohol and water, as from a fermentation broth, the lowest boiling component is the azeotrope of ethanol/water 95:5 with a boiling point of about 78 degrees celcius. To get absolute alcohol, 200 proof or 100%, requires considerably more effort and is not to my knowledge sold for human consumption. Mark McElvy wrote: A product called Everclear is a 200 proof pure grain alcohol sold hear in the States -Original Message- From: gobie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 2:52 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Phenolphthalein - Original Message - From: Dermot Thanks for the help Paul, Now I can't get ethanol except in 45 gallon drums! Is vodka close enough to ethanol and could I mix the phenolphthalein with it? Regards Dermot Dermot, not being a consumer of things alcoholic I'm not sure of the proof of vodka. 98% pure alcohol would be almost 200 proof. Don't imaging any drink for human consumption would be that strong. Whilst working for a pharmaceutical company once I was analysing one of their raw materials. The analysis consisted in serial dilutions in pure ethanol with 2% hydrochloric acid. Sucked a bit too hard on the pipette and got half a mouthful of the brew. That night whilst eating dinner the 1st layer of skin came away from the inside of my mouth. You could give the vodka a try. Soime brands of methylated Spirits sold out here in Oz are mostly ethanol could be worth investigating. Perhaps methanol could be substituted, the phenolphthalein definately prefers to be disolved in alcohol. Have to be even more careful not to get this mix on your skin though. Regards Paul Gobert. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- Bob Allen, Professor of Chemistry http://ozarker.org/bob Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. Article 19 of The Declaration of Human Rights, adopted by the United Nations General Assembly,10 December 1948: ~~~ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Rejoining list with a question
Luis, Thank you for your kind words, sir. I feel that I have found a kindred spirit out there in the real world. From your address, I can tell that you are most likely deeply involved in bagasse recovery efforts. What are you doing now and where are you headed in handling bagasse after the sugar has been removed? The sugar industry has been successful at combusting bagasse in boilers as an energy source. How do you handle the bagasse which has been contaminated with dirt, rocks, etc? How do you handle spend sugar liquors? What are the BOD content of those liquids being discharged from the plant? Looking forward to your reply. Art Krenzel, P.E. PHOENIX TECHNOLOGIES 10505 NE 285TH Street Battle Ground, WA 98604 360-666-1883 voice [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Contactos Mundiales To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 6:21 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Rejoining list with a question Mr. Art Krenzel Phoenix Technologies Dear Art: I could not agree more with your statements of fact in regards to biodigestion. Please continue sharing your knowledge and experience with us. With best regards, Luis R. Calzadilla VP Operations Fundacin Sugar Cane Research Org. Cali, Colombia Tel (572) 893-6627 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Art Krenzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Rejoining list with a question Kim, When you burn manure you remove the organic matter from the final product and retain only the minerals which can help the soil as an oxidized water soluble fertilizer. You, since you are operating sustainably, want to retain the organic matter as a component of your soil system I would suspect. I would suggest that you consider generating biogas using an anaerobic digester to reduce the carbon content by 35 - 50% into biogas containing 60-65% methane and then recover the remainder of the carbon solids as compost for your soil. Soil organic matter is absolutely required to farm sustainability. This system would allow you to recover energy from the manure in sealed tanks when the odor potential is highest and compost the remainder of the solids aerobically into a soil conditioner. You also have water to handle which has a very high nutrient content as a supplemental fertilizer and can be used in irrigation. Work with nature at each level and benefit multiple times. There has been an absolute revolution in anaerobic digestion over the past five years. The tankage requirement has dropped to 1/4 the gallons required only five years ago. The process which previously required 30 - 40 days now can be done in 8 - 10 days. Art Krenzel, P.E. PHOENIX TECHNOLOGIES 10505 NE 285TH Street Battle Ground, WA 98604 360-666-1883 voice [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol and Sodium Hydroxide efficiant mixing method
Kevin, I don't know if anyone here uses them, but we use to use stir plates when I use to work in labs. Basically it is a motor that spins a magnet at variable speeds, you place your beaker or carboy on top and drop in a stir bar which is just a Teflon coated magnet. This spins with the magnet underneath and mixes your solution. That should be a little safer than using a mixer with agitator but requires buying a stir plate. Some universities have shops where they sell off their old lab equipment cheap and you can often find them there. They even have heated stir plates which would work great for doing test batches or small batches (up to 3 or 4 liters) if you can get the right sized glass beaker. Here is a link http://www.labsynergy.com/hotmenu.html Not recommending you buy from them, just the first one I found. Regards, Sven - Original Message - From: Kevin Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 9:17 PM Subject: [biofuel] Methanol and Sodium Hydroxide efficiant mixing method Does anyone have suggestions on the best way to agitate the Lye powder into the methanol? I use a type 20 Lightning mixer (with small propeller agitator), but have problems with the dissolving of Sodium Hydroxide I mix 3.75 liters of methanol to the appropriate amount of sodium hydroxide in a 5 gallon carboy (with small hole drilled in cap) and let mix for 15 minutes. My problem is that the sodium hydroxide fails to dissolve completely with the methanol. I can see lots of clumped Lye! I hate this part of the process!!! and it is the most dangerous!! I take as much precaution as possible not to expose myself and wear proper safety protection. I'm not crazy about mixing for longer period with an electric mixer or have something happen to cause a catastrophic event, so I'm trying to minimize this danger window of this process Most likely I'll mix the next batch of Sodium Methoxide in a smaller carboy (HDPE), and that should hopefully help. Maybe the propeller shaft should be a larger design?? Anyway, I'm interested in the most efficient (Safe) methods and how long agitation should be? I use the Red Devil powder Lye. Thank you, Kevin Shea [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Pieter and the Foolproof method
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 6:07 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Pieter and the Foolproof method Hello Pieter Hi Keith, The heating was done with 2 liters in stead of 700 liters, so I could reach 70¡ C. Why boil it off ? Because I wanted to start over again and not end up using half a liter of methanol per liter of veg oil. If you decide to do the rest of it maybe use a bit less rather than boiling it off - most of the excess will end up in the glycerine cocktail anyway. The fact that I made a big amount at once, was a great big mistake. I made this mistake, because I read this methode as being a methode without any chance of failing. I agitated it as I always do, with a pump. The inlet of the pump at the bottom of the container and the outlet at the top. Concerning the time : I did it exactly as Aleks writes, but with 12 hours at least I mean settling time. Sorry, can I get this straight? So this is wrong, what you told me previously? For how long did you process each stage? At least 12 hours. You are right. I processed each stage for the time Aleks advises. The settling time took 12 hours at least. How long did it settle in between? At least 12 hours. Best Keith - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 9:35 PM Subject: Pieter and the Foolproof method - was Re: [biofuel] cold weather and biodiesel Hello Pieter I wonder what this had to do with cold weather and biodiesel? Never mind... Hi all, As some of you allready know, I have tried the foolproof methode without succes. The result was a coffee like murky stuff with methanol floating on top off this slurry. What I did to save the lot : I boiled off the methanol at 70¡ C. After that, I made new sodium methoxide ( I think 200 ml methanol and 4 grams of lye per liter of the residu ) and made BD as I am used to. The result was still not cristal clear, but now I heated the lot again and became a beautifull golden liquid. Spec. grafity 0.865 grams per liter. Now my question : During the last heating ( so not when cooling down ) a fair bit of clear gel appeared. It has the structure of melted chewing gum. A bit like silicone kit ( is that an english word ? ). The residu is still cristal clear with spec. graf 0.865. Does anyone know what that could be ? Groeten, Pieter Once again you puzzle me. Especially I'm puzzled that you boiled off the methanol you said was left on top - at 70 deg C, though previously you couldn't get the temp higher than 35 deg C for the second stage of the process. How did you manage it? And why boil if off at all, if you were going to add more methanol anyway to reprocess it? Anyway, previously you said: I have tried to do it exactly as Aleks Kac writes on the site. That still left me with a bunch of questions, and I did get some answers from you, but also more questions, and now more questions again. Aleks says this, right up near the top: Whenever you're trying a new method, it's always a good idea to make small test batches of a liter or less first to familiarize yourself with the process before moving on to bigger batches. We also say that, lots of times, at the Journey to Forever site and here. So do other people say that, and I must say it seems obvious. I asked you: How much oil did you use - was this a small test batch? I hope so. You told me: No, stupid enough it was 700 liters. :-( From your first message, you also said you couldn't get the second-stage heat higher than 35 deg C (95F), though it should be 55C (131F). So I also asked you: How did you heat it and how did you agitate it? You told me you'd used the central heating of your house, but the oil was in a 1000-liter container and did not get hotter than 35 deg C. But you didn't say how you agitated it. Aleks says agitate the first stage at 35 deg C for one hour, then agitate for a further hour without heating, settle, and second-stage processing is 1.5-2.5 hours. You told me you'd processed each stage for at least 12 hours, with at least 12 hours settling in between. I wonder how you translated those processing times into at least 12 hours each? You added: As I said, I did it exactly the way Aleks writes, but it seems chaotic. We tell people the two-stage methods are not for novices for good reason. Some people still take no notice though, and then we get messages like this: Hi I have 2 45gal drums. There joined together with hoses valves. I boiled down 400 ml of battery acid to a brown thick acid to 100ml. I have 60 Liters of cooking fat.I heated it and water went to bottom of container before I dipped out
Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder
Sodium methoxide powder is available from Degussa AG 379 Interpace Parkway PO Box 677 Parsippany, NJ 07054 www.finechemicals.de These folks were pushing this product at the National Biodiesel Board conference held Feb 1-4, 2004. I talked with them a while, and they say it is cost effective since one requires a lot less of the chemical, about 1/4 as much. I'm not sure I understood the reasons, something to do with the lack of water that is a significant contaminant in the homemade methoxide. Water is the byproduct of the dissolution of lye in methanol to make a new chemical: sodium methoxide, and water is the enemy of a good biodiesel reaction. I haven't had the pleasure of working with this chemical. Its less flammable and dangerous than that site made stuff. That site stuff can be rather dangerous, you know. It is also available from Kodak and some other chemical supply houses, but this Degussa is promoting it especially for biodiesel. They have a fancy booklet on this, dated January 2004, so they believe it will be adopted by some big biodiesel producers, and is apparently a main part of several processors in Europe. Tom Leue In a message dated 4/7/04 9:00:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Methoxide usually comes premixed with methanol, either 25% or 30%. Ethan -Original Message- From:Ê Ê Appal Energy [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:Ê Ê Wednesday, April 07, 2004 12:57 AM To:Ê Ê biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject:Ê Ê Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder Papers that refer to a dry sodium methoxide being used for transesterifications? Found a sodium methoxide / sodium methylate MSDS sheet as well. http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/m2028.htm But I'd tend to believe that alcohol would still need to be added to achieve your reaction due to the low molar mass of the methyl- fraction. I suppose that it might give another option were there a drought of KOH or NaOH, or maybe even some other benefits as yet unknown. Might be worth toying with. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:34 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder Papers such as Canaki's refer to a sodium methoxide catalyst apart from the sodium hydroxide in methanol mixture. I came across a MSDS of sodium methoxide in powder form. Could this be the same methoxide they are referring to in the papers? Thanks, chris =-Original Message- =From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 1:37 AM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder = = =Methoxide powder? = =Methoxide is a solution of methanol and catalyst. To create a powder you'd =have to remove the methanol (meth-), which puts you right back where you =began with the dry catalyst (-oxide). = =And then what? = = Todd Swearingen = =- Original Message - =From: Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 11:04 AM =Subject: RE: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder = = = Todd: = = Have you ever tried using methoxide powder? How does is perform? = = Thanks, = chris = = =-Original Message- = =From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:56 AM = =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com = =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Storage = = = = = =Yup. Couple of weeks or so at least in an airtight container. = = = =It'll last as long as any other stock solution. = = = =It's also a good way to prepare for a series of tests, one =concentrated = =solution that can be diluted with alcohol to the desired molarity. = = = =Todd Swearingen = = = =- Original Message - = =From: lovemydiesel2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] = =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com = =Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 6:32 AM = =Subject: [biofuel] Methoxide Storage = = = = = = Here is a question that I have not seen posted. Can the methoxide, = = once mixed, be stored for any length of time? As in can I make up = = several batches and have it sitting waiting to be used or is it = = necessary to use as you go? = = = = Thanks - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Assisting Remote Diesel with Wind and Solar
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[biofuel] pre-mixed Phenolphthalein solution ???
The chem supply house I am dealing with offers the Phenolphthalein in a pre-mixed alcohol solution at 1%. Would this work as well or better than the do-it-yourself method ? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Bush attacks environment 'scare stories' - Secret email gives advice on denying climate change
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1185292,00.html The Observer | International Bush attacks environment 'scare stories' Secret email gives advice on denying climate change Antony Barnett in New York Sunday April 4, 2004 The Observer George W. Bush's campaign workers have hit on an age-old political tactic to deal with the tricky subject of global warming - deny, and deny aggressively. The Observer has obtained a remarkable email sent to the press secretaries of all Republican congressmen advising them what to say when questioned on the environment in the run-up to November's election. The advice: tell them everything's rosy. It tells them how global warming has not been proved, air quality is 'getting better', the world's forests are 'spreading, not deadening', oil reserves are 'increasing, not decreasing', and the 'world's water is cleaner and reaching more people'. The email - sent on 4 February - warns that Democrats will 'hit us hard' on the environment. 'In an effort to help your members fight back, as well as be aggressive on the issue, we have prepared the following set of talking points on where the environment really stands today,' it states. The memo - headed 'From medi-scare to air-scare' - goes on: 'From the heated debate on global warming to the hot air on forests; from the muddled talk on our nation's waters to the convolution on air pollution, we are fighting a battle of fact against fiction on the environment - Republicans can't stress enough that extremists are screaming Doomsday! when the environment is actually seeing a new and better day.' Among the memo's assertions are 'global warming is not a fact', 'links between air quality and asthma in children remain cloudy', and the US Environment Protection Agency is exaggerating when it says that at least 40 per cent of streams, rivers and lakes are too polluted for drinking, fishing or swimming. It gives a list of alleged facts taken from contentious sources. For instance, to back its claim that air quality is improving it cites a report from Pacific Research Institute - an organisation that has received $130,000 from Exxon Mobil since 1998. The memo also lifts details from the controversial book The Skeptical Environmentalist by Bjorn Lomborg. On the Republicans' claims that deforestation is not a problem, it states: 'About a third of the world is still covered with forests, a level not changed much since World War II. The world's demand for paper can be permanently satisfied by the growth of trees in just five per cent of the world's forests.' The memo's main source for the denial of global warming is Richard Lindzen, a climate-sceptic scientist who has consistently taken money from the fossil fuel industry. His opinion differs substantially from most climate scientists, who say that climate change is happening. But probably the most influential voice behind the memo is Frank Luntz, a Republican Party strategist. In a leaked 2002 memo, Luntz said: 'The scientific debate is closing [against us] but not yet closed. There is still a window of opportunity to challenge the science.' Luntz has been roundly criticised in Europe. Last month Tony Blair's chief scientific adviser, Sir David King, attacked him for being too close to Exxon. Rob Gueterbock of Greenpeace condemned the messages given in the Republican email. He said: 'Bush's spin doctors have been taking their brief from dodgy scientists with an Alice in Wonderland view of the world's environment. They want us to think the air is getting cleaner and that global warming is a myth. This memo shows it is Exxon Mobil driving US policy, when it should be sound science.' The memo has met some resistance from Republican moderates. Republican Mike Castle, who heads a group of 69 moderate House members, senators and governors, says the strategy doesn't address the fact that pollution continues to be a health threat. 'If I tried to follow these talking points at a town hall meeting with my constituents, I'd be booed.' Vermont Senator Jim Jeffords, who left the Republican Party in 2001 to become an independent partly over its anti-green agenda, called the memo 'outlandish' and an attempt to deceive voters. 'They have a head-in-the-sand approach to it. They're just sloughing off the human health impacts - the premature deaths and asthma attacks caused by power plant pollution,' Jeffords said. Republican House Conference director Greg Cist, who sent the email, said: 'It's up to our members if they want to use it or not. We're not stuffing it down their throats.' He said the memo was spurred by concerns that environmental groups were using myths to try to make the Republicans look bad. 'We wanted to show how the environment has been improving,' Cist said. 'We wanted to provide the other side of the story.' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges
Re: [biofuel] Rejoining list with a question
Kim, I do not have much experience from farming, but as a teenager I took care of racing horses as a hobby. My experiences is more from working with house design and studies of old farm houses. The design of old farm houses that is very common, is to recuperate heat from manure storage, to heat houses during winter and also have the body heat from the animals to contribute to the human living space. The most common is to staple the manure (compost) along walls shared with the living space. With a more modern and innovative design with tubing in the compost, fans and thermostats, you should be able to recuperate some heat for space heating from the compost process and still get the biogas. I imagine that you need some temperature control so you do not cool down the compost too much, but it is worth to look into. If I remember right, but do not hold me to the number, you can have temperatures around 50 - 60 degree Celsius in a compost during the winter. Biogas is a matter of trapping and collecting and can be very simple plastic sheeting with tube connectors, like they do in waste dumps. Drying and burning the manure, might not be the most efficient method, but it was also a part of old farming and the collection was mostly from the fields in the summer. Heat and biogas collection, must be more efficient, since you also get the best fertilizer. The first street light systems in cities, was running on biogas from the sewer systems. I think that you have a fun, challenging and interesting project here. I have long suspected that the tradition to have the animals in closed housing, was more a human need for heating system, than the need for animal shelter. This because of the design of old farm houses and the fact that the animals in most cases would survive perfectly well in the nature, with much simpler shelter arrangements. Hakan At 14:32 08/04/2004, you wrote: Thanks for the reply. I will need to learn more about biogas, but I had no intention of burning all my manure. Even if I did burn all the cow manure, I would still have all the rabbit, pig and human manure left to make compost with. Since there is just me and my husband when he retires on the farm, simplicity is an issue. As is cost, a steam generator is about $200 US, how much does it cost to set up biogas? How much extra work is it? I was thinking of only saving the manure for fuel while the cows are in the barn due to bad weather, [We are planning on moving to an area that has winter.] so we have to clean it up anyway. I remember reading that temperature had an effect on biogas production, how does it work when temperatures are below freezing? It has been a few years since I looked into this, so I will check it again, after the garden is finished being planted. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:32 PM 4/7/2004, you wrote: Kim, When you burn manure you remove the organic matter from the final product and retain only the minerals which can help the soil as an oxidized water soluble fertilizer. You, since you are operating sustainably, want to retain the organic matter as a component of your soil system I would suspect. I would suggest that you consider generating biogas using an anaerobic digester to reduce the carbon content by 35 - 50% into biogas containing 60-65% methane and then recover the remainder of the carbon solids as compost for your soil. Soil organic matter is absolutely required to farm sustainability. This system would allow you to recover energy from the manure in sealed tanks when the odor potential is highest and compost the remainder of the solids aerobically into a soil conditioner. You also have water to handle which has a very high nutrient content as a supplemental fertilizer and can be used in irrigation. Work with nature at each level and benefit multiple times. There has been an absolute revolution in anaerobic digestion over the past five years. The tankage requirement has dropped to 1/4 the gallons required only five years ago. The process which previously required 30 - 40 days now can be done in 8 - 10 days. Art Krenzel, P.E. PHOENIX TECHNOLOGIES 10505 NE 285TH Street Battle Ground, WA 98604 360-666-1883 voice [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 7:55 AM Subject: [biofuel] Rejoining list with a question Greetings, I was a member of this list for several years, but quit to have time to learn other things. I hope all the regulars are doing well, and I hope to get to know all the new people. My husband and I own 20 acres in Texas and we are trying to live and farm sustainably. For now we are on the grid, but hope to change that one day. We practise alternative building, such as paper adobe and cordwood. The question: This months issue of Backwoods Home Magazine has an article, by
Re: [biofuel] Terminated accounts
Hello, I know this is not for everyone, but the best thing I have found to solve the problem with web mail companies was to spend the $20.00 Canadian to register a domain that will be with you as long as you renew and to get an e-mail host provider $15.00 a year. Sibername.com is the cheapest e-mail host I have found yet. It may seem like a lot but for $35.00 a year you will never have e-mail problems and you can read them from a browser. Just my two cents. Aidan - Original Message - From: j_schearer2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 7:58 AM Subject: [biofuel] Terminated accounts What is it with Yahoo and terminating accounts? This morning, I went to check my email and my password did not respond. I dug a little further and Yahoo stated that my previous account (j_schearer) had been terminated with no explanations. Went in and made a new one, but this is frustrating, because now I have to change my email address with a few vendors including my bank. Looks like biobenz had the same trouble. Wonder if anyone else has had this trouble. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Terminated accounts
If you need email and webhosting. Email me, it's what we do and it's yours free for this forum. SM - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Terminated accounts Hello, I know this is not for everyone, but the best thing I have found to solve the problem with web mail companies was to spend the $20.00 Canadian to register a domain that will be with you as long as you renew and to get an e-mail host provider $15.00 a year. Sibername.com is the cheapest e-mail host I have found yet. It may seem like a lot but for $35.00 a year you will never have e-mail problems and you can read them from a browser. Just my two cents. Aidan - Original Message - From: j_schearer2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 7:58 AM Subject: [biofuel] Terminated accounts What is it with Yahoo and terminating accounts? This morning, I went to check my email and my password did not respond. I dug a little further and Yahoo stated that my previous account (j_schearer) had been terminated with no explanations. Went in and made a new one, but this is frustrating, because now I have to change my email address with a few vendors including my bank. Looks like biobenz had the same trouble. Wonder if anyone else has had this trouble. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Rejoining list with a question +
Kim, When I remember it, I also want to mention the animal food and beading storage, that also played an important part in old farm houses. The dried grass and the straw, was stored in the attic space of the human living accommodation. It would therefore provide the living space with nearly super insulation, at the same time as it was kept dry by heat and good attic ventilation. With the consumption it would be less insulation, when the warmer spring time came and no insulation in the warm summer. The use of straw, played an important part in the collection of the manure and for the mix in the compost. It also served as an important addition to the living space insulation. An other interesting thing was the painting system, that also was an important part in the heating system of the living space. Every spring the house was painted with white chalk based paint. This would reflect the sun in the summer and keep the house cool, but in the autumn rains the paint was be washed away and the walls would be dull and grey, but absorbing a lot of the solar heat during the winter. Who said that the modern and durable paints necessary are an innovation? Hakan At 03:46 09/04/2004, you wrote: Kim, I do not have much experience from farming, but as a teenager I took care of racing horses as a hobby. My experiences is more from working with house design and studies of old farm houses. The design of old farm houses that is very common, is to recuperate heat from manure storage, to heat houses during winter and also have the body heat from the animals to contribute to the human living space. The most common is to staple the manure (compost) along walls shared with the living space. With a more modern and innovative design with tubing in the compost, fans and thermostats, you should be able to recuperate some heat for space heating from the compost process and still get the biogas. I imagine that you need some temperature control so you do not cool down the compost too much, but it is worth to look into. If I remember right, but do not hold me to the number, you can have temperatures around 50 - 60 degree Celsius in a compost during the winter. Biogas is a matter of trapping and collecting and can be very simple plastic sheeting with tube connectors, like they do in waste dumps. Drying and burning the manure, might not be the most efficient method, but it was also a part of old farming and the collection was mostly from the fields in the summer. Heat and biogas collection, must be more efficient, since you also get the best fertilizer. The first street light systems in cities, was running on biogas from the sewer systems. I think that you have a fun, challenging and interesting project here. I have long suspected that the tradition to have the animals in closed housing, was more a human need for heating system, than the need for animal shelter. This because of the design of old farm houses and the fact that the animals in most cases would survive perfectly well in the nature, with much simpler shelter arrangements. Hakan At 14:32 08/04/2004, you wrote: Thanks for the reply. I will need to learn more about biogas, but I had no intention of burning all my manure. Even if I did burn all the cow manure, I would still have all the rabbit, pig and human manure left to make compost with. Since there is just me and my husband when he retires on the farm, simplicity is an issue. As is cost, a steam generator is about $200 US, how much does it cost to set up biogas? How much extra work is it? I was thinking of only saving the manure for fuel while the cows are in the barn due to bad weather, [We are planning on moving to an area that has winter.] so we have to clean it up anyway. I remember reading that temperature had an effect on biogas production, how does it work when temperatures are below freezing? It has been a few years since I looked into this, so I will check it again, after the garden is finished being planted. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:32 PM 4/7/2004, you wrote: Kim, When you burn manure you remove the organic matter from the final product and retain only the minerals which can help the soil as an oxidized water soluble fertilizer. You, since you are operating sustainably, want to retain the organic matter as a component of your soil system I would suspect. I would suggest that you consider generating biogas using an anaerobic digester to reduce the carbon content by 35 - 50% into biogas containing 60-65% methane and then recover the remainder of the carbon solids as compost for your soil. Soil organic matter is absolutely required to farm sustainability. This system would allow you to recover energy from the manure in sealed tanks when the odor potential is highest and compost the remainder of the solids aerobically into a soil conditioner. You also have water to handle which has a very high nutrient content as a
[biofuel] Re: Wood as a motor fuel
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Heath Blount [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should check further on your research, with most softwoods and fast growing species, there is a noticable increase in the amount of chlorine and nitrogen when burning these fuels. Heath The idea behind using producer gas as a motor fuel is to capture the gases the wood produces as it burns. Also in a controlled burn (lack of oxygen) the wood doesn't produce the same gases as if burning it out in the open. So none of these gases actually make it into the atmosphere until they are burned in an engine. Based on what I've read using producer gas is actually easier on the enviornment than gasoline. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] SVO
I just came from a green expo. I talked to a chicken feed manufacturer who had lots of soy oil left over so he now uses 5% soy oil in his diesel trucks. He adds the standard 2 oz of methanol to 5 gallons. He had over 500,000 on several trucks and hasn't had any problems. He does use a fuel heater. Ken Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder
Thanks Todd, Bob and All. chris =-Original Message- =From: bob allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 8:21 PM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder = = =sodium methoxide, NaOCH3 is a dry power commercially available, but =expensive. the advantage is that it is dry in the sense that there is =no water at all. sodium methoxide made by combining NaOH and CH3OH =results in the formation of one equivalent of water: = =NaOH + CH3OH --- H2O + NaOCH3 = = Also the NaOH is not anhydrous, rather it contains about 10 to 15 =percent water. = =So, add NaOH to methanol and you form some water which will limit the =yield slightly. = = = =Appal Energy wrote: = = = Papers that refer to a dry sodium methoxide being used for = transesterifications? = = Found a sodium methoxide / sodium methylate MSDS sheet as well. = http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/m2028.htm = = But I'd tend to believe that alcohol would still need to be =added to achieve = your reaction due to the low molar mass of the methyl- fraction. = = I suppose that it might give another option were there a =drought of KOH or = NaOH, or maybe even some other benefits as yet unknown. = = Might be worth toying with. = = Todd Swearingen = = - Original Message - = From: Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com = Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:34 PM = Subject: RE: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder = = = =Papers such as Canaki's refer to a sodium methoxide catalyst apart from = = the = =sodium hydroxide in methanol mixture. I came across a MSDS of sodium =methoxide in powder form. Could this be the same methoxide they are =referring to in the papers? = =Thanks, =chris = ==-Original Message- ==From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 1:37 AM ==To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com ==Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder == == ==Methoxide powder? == ==Methoxide is a solution of methanol and catalyst. To create a powder = = you'd = ==have to remove the methanol (meth-), which puts you right back where = = you = ==began with the dry catalyst (-oxide). == ==And then what? == == Todd Swearingen == ==- Original Message - ==From: Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com ==Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 11:04 AM ==Subject: RE: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder == == == Todd: == == Have you ever tried using methoxide powder? How does is perform? == == Thanks, == chris == == =-Original Message- == =From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] == =Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:56 AM == =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com == =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Storage == = == = == =Yup. Couple of weeks or so at least in an airtight container. == = == =It'll last as long as any other stock solution. == = == =It's also a good way to prepare for a series of tests, one ==concentrated == =solution that can be diluted with alcohol to the desired =molarity. == = == =Todd Swearingen == = == =- Original Message - == =From: lovemydiesel2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] == =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com == =Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 6:32 AM == =Subject: [biofuel] Methoxide Storage == = == = == = Here is a question that I have not seen posted. Can the =methoxide, == = once mixed, be stored for any length of time? As in can =I make up == = several batches and have it sitting waiting to be used or is it == = necessary to use as you go? == = == = Thanks == = == = == = == = == = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: == = http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html == = == = Biofuels list archives: == = http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ == = == = Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. == = To unsubscribe, send an email to: == = [EMAIL PROTECTED] == = Yahoo! Groups Links == = == = == = == = == = == = == = == = == = == = == =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: == =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html == = == =Biofuels list archives: == =http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ == = == =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. == =To unsubscribe, send an email to: == =[EMAIL PROTECTED] == =Yahoo! Groups Links == = == = == = == = == = == == == == == Biofuel at Journey to Forever: == http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html == == Biofuels list archives: == http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ == == Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. == To unsubscribe, send an email to: == [EMAIL PROTECTED] == Yahoo! Groups Links == == == == == == == == == ==Biofuel at Journey to Forever: ==http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html == ==Biofuels list archives: ==http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ == ==Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. ==To unsubscribe, send an email to: ==[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==Yahoo! Groups Links == == == == == = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = =Please do NOT send
RE: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder
Hi Tom, I don't see their reason to say that sodium methoxide will be more effective. The H20 produced from the reaction of sodium hydroxide with methanol is actually needed in transesterification. Water provides the H+ needed to replace the fatty acid chain on glycerol. Assuming that you've limit the contamination of water from other sources, the traditional way, I believe, is just as effective. Regards, chris =-Original Message- =From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 2:22 AM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder = = =Sodium methoxide powder is available from Degussa AG =379 Interpace Parkway =PO Box 677 Parsippany, NJ 07054 =www.finechemicals.de = =These folks were pushing this product at the National Biodiesel Board =conference held Feb 1-4, 2004. I talked with them a while, and =they say it is cost =effective since one requires a lot less of the chemical, about =1/4 as much. I'm =not sure I understood the reasons, something to do with the lack =of water that =is a significant contaminant in the homemade methoxide. Water is the =byproduct of the dissolution of lye in methanol to make a new =chemical: sodium =methoxide, and water is the enemy of a good biodiesel reaction. = =I haven't had the pleasure of working with this chemical. Its =less flammable =and dangerous than that site made stuff. That site stuff can be rather =dangerous, you know. It is also available from Kodak and some =other chemical supply =houses, but this Degussa is promoting it especially for =biodiesel. They have a =fancy booklet on this, dated January 2004, so they believe it =will be adopted =by some big biodiesel producers, and is apparently a main part of several =processors in Europe. = =Tom Leue = = = =In a message dated 4/7/04 9:00:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: = = = Methoxide usually comes premixed with methanol, either 25% or 30%. = = Ethan = = = -Original Message- = From:Ê Ê Appal Energy [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = Sent:Ê Ê Wednesday, April 07, 2004 12:57 AM = To:Ê Ê biofuel@yahoogroups.com = Subject:Ê Ê Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder = = Papers that refer to a dry sodium methoxide being used for = transesterifications? = = Found a sodium methoxide / sodium methylate MSDS sheet as well. = http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/m2028.htm = = But I'd tend to believe that alcohol would still need to be =added to achieve = your reaction due to the low molar mass of the methyl- fraction. = = I suppose that it might give another option were there a =drought of KOH or = NaOH, or maybe even some other benefits as yet unknown. = = Might be worth toying with. = = Todd Swearingen = = - Original Message - = From: Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com = Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:34 PM = Subject: RE: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder = = = Papers such as Canaki's refer to a sodium methoxide catalyst =apart from = the = sodium hydroxide in methanol mixture. I came across a MSDS of sodium = methoxide in powder form. Could this be the same methoxide they are = referring to in the papers? = = Thanks, = chris = = =-Original Message- = =From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 1:37 AM = =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com = =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder = = = = = =Methoxide powder? = = = =Methoxide is a solution of methanol and catalyst. To create a powder = you'd = =have to remove the methanol (meth-), which puts you right =back where = you = =began with the dry catalyst (-oxide). = = = =And then what? = = = = Todd Swearingen = = = =- Original Message - = =From: Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] = =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com = =Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 11:04 AM = =Subject: RE: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder = = = = = = Todd: = = = = Have you ever tried using methoxide powder? How does is perform? = = = = Thanks, = = chris = = = = =-Original Message- = = =From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = = =Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:56 AM = = =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com = = =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Storage = = = = = = = = =Yup. Couple of weeks or so at least in an airtight container. = = = = = =It'll last as long as any other stock solution. = = = = = =It's also a good way to prepare for a series of tests, one = =concentrated = = =solution that can be diluted with alcohol to the =desired molarity. = = = = = =Todd Swearingen = = = = = =- Original Message - = = =From: lovemydiesel2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] = = =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com = = =Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 6:32 AM = = =Subject: [biofuel] Methoxide Storage = = = = = = = = = Here is a question that I have not seen posted. Can =the methoxide, = = = once mixed, be stored for any length of time? As in =can I make up = = = several batches and have it sitting waiting to be =used or is it = = = necessary to use as you go? = = = =
Re: [biofuel] pre-mixed Phenolphthalein solution ???
- Original Message - From: biobenz The chem supply house I am dealing with offers the Phenolphthalein in a pre-mixed alcohol solution at 1%. Would this work as well or better than the do-it-yourself method ? Biobenz, If you are unable to get 95% ethanol or don't want to go to the trouble of making up the phenolphthalein solution yourself, the premixed solution would be a great idea. It would also be neutralalised in manufacture. Would indeed work just as well as or better. Regards Paul Gobert. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Off topic Electro chemical knowledge
Hello, I am looking for someone on the group who is knowledgeable with rust or more specifically how it forms. If it wouldn't be too much trouble could they check out www.ruststopnorthamerica.com and let me know if this product could slow down rust or is it just another bogus product. My Jetta which I just recently converted to canola oil 600 km's is old and rusting. If I can buy a product that slows down that process I would be a happy individual. Total body job is not possible at this time. Aidan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Rejoining list with a question
Yes, burning manure or firewood for that matter in the house with improperly vented fireplaces and cooking over and open fire does cause respiratory problems. This is not what we were thinking about doing. Bright Blessings, Kim At 05:25 PM 4/8/2004, you wrote: Hello Kim The question: This months issue of Backwoods Home Magazine has an article, by Rev. J.D. Hooker, on burning manure. It states that they get 'somewhat greater heating value than seasoned hardwood.' I seem to remember that the degree of burnng manure in India led to respiratory problems. Can't site a reference. Reghards Paul Gobert. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO
What do you mean the standard 2 oz of methanol to 5 gallons? Where is that idea coming from? Standard? Edward Beggs On Thursday, April 8, 2004, at 11:11 PM, kenriznyk wrote: I just came from a green expo. I talked to a chicken feed manufacturer who had lots of soy oil left over so he now uses 5% soy oil in his diesel trucks. He adds the standard 2 oz of methanol to 5 gallons. He had over 500,000 on several trucks and hasn't had any problems. He does use a fuel heater. Ken Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] New motor technology
Hi all, I couldn't resist posting this article. Using ebay to auction off promising technology is certainly a novel approach. It remains to be seen if this is for real. If it is legit, there is also a good possability that it will gvet bought up and kept off the market by some corporation. We will see. Veteran Inventor Revs Up The Creativity For Pollution-Free, Alternative Fuel Motor Conversion Kit. All Rights, Trade Secrets To Go To Highest eBay Bidder May 10 - May 20, 2004. A newly developed technology that allows motors to run pollution free on alternative fuels can be purchased by the highest bidder on eBay in May, 2004. (PRWEB) April 10, 2004--www.merittinternational.com/pollutionfree It's a story that is unique in every way. A successful invention/product development veteran creates an innovative new technology that converts typical engines into pollution free motors - novel and newsworthy in and of itself. However, what this creative entrepreneur plans to do with his patented-pending technology is what makes the story even more unique. About Ron Meritt/Meritt International, Inc. Ronald R. Meritt of Meritt International in San Luis Obispo, California is a successful inventor and product development specialist who may be best known as the inventor of the original portable car video player - Video Traveler: www.videotraveler.com Meritt's concept for mobile video units is currently being used in thousands of vehicles worldwide. Meritt is now using that expertise to bring new products to market and is adding a focus of developing green products that are environmentally friendly. About the Meritt International Pollution-Free Alternative Fuel Motor Conversion Kit: When installed on a gas combustion motor, the conversion kit allows the motor to run on a variety of alternate fuels or gasses and be virtually pollution free. Meritt has designed the conversion kit to allow motors to run on either flammable or non-flammable fuels, meaning that a properly converted motor using this technology may run on just about any gas or liquid, including water. Meritt actually began working on this technology back in the 1970's when the gasoline crisis was at its peak. But the uncompleted project was set aside as Meritt pursued other ventures. However, now, with gas prices potentially rising to as much as $3 per gallon and the United States' increasing dependence on foreign oil, this technology has new significance and potential. So Meritt recently resurrected the project and after months of fine-tuning he now has finalized a working prototype. Unlike the highly publicized fuel-cell or hydrogen technologies that are in development right now, this motor conversion kit is different because it is an upgrade kit that potentially could be installed on almost any gas combustion engine used in cars, trucks, boats, garden equipment, etc. As evidenced on the downloadable video link above, Meritt successfully installed his invention on a small 100 cc motorcycle engine to prove its functionality and capabilities. The prototyped motor, which was recently evaluated at a fully licensed motor vehicle smog inspection station in California, emits a measured exhaust that is 99% pollution free. What's more, the conversion kit allows the motor to actually exhaust high levels of oxygen, making it possible to literally breathe the engine exhaust. The design of the pollution-free motor is protected by a pending patent, and many of the modifications are trade secrets known only to Meritt and his development team. As far as providing additional information on the technology, what can be mentioned is that there have been extensive internal and external mechanical and electrical modifications to the prototype motor. With further development, this first-stage technology has extensive market potential for use in cars, trucks, boats, tractors, gas powered garden equipment, generators and any other gas powered products. Unique Marketing of the Technology - eBay Is The Way (May 10 - May 20, 2004) Instead of the typical licensing avenues that similar technologies might be subjected to, Meritt has decided to try a somewhat unorthodox yet creative marketing angle. He will sell the rights to the technology and a working prototype on eBay to the highest bidder, with no minimum bid. The online auction start date will run from May 10 - May 20, 2004. The bids will be for the one-time technology transfer fee that includes pending patents, trade secrets, a fully functional prototype engine, and all documentation associated with this invention. It will give the buyer full profit making capabilities with no future royalties going to Meritt International. Once purchased, the buyer is free to further develop the technology for as many industry applications as possible. Meritt is confident that a corporation, university or entrepreneur will be able to acquire his
