Re: [biofuel] EPA to Finalize Diesel Pollution Rules Tuesday

[Andrew Lowe]

Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote:
> Hallo,
> 
> Monday, 10 May, 2004, 22:35:42, you wrote:
> 
> AL> Does  my  memory serve me correctly in that one of the "advertised
> AL> benefits"  of  biodiesel  is  that  it  contains  no sulphur hence
> AL> diesels  can  be fitted with catalytic converters? The reason they
> AL> aren't  already is that the sulphur poisons the converter. If this
> AL> is  the  case then won't the new requirements actually be good for
> AL> biodiesel,  assuming  the  engine  companies  do fit the catalytic
> AL> converters?
> AL> Regards,
> AL> Andrew Lowe
> 
> I  have a couple of friends who keep telling me that biodiesel will be
> hard  on  engines  since there is no sulphur for lubricity.  And I can
> tell them...?

I'm not an expert on this but I think you will find that biodiesel is 
touted as a REPLACEMENT for sulphur, ie it has better lubrication 
properties than sulphur. This is why you are seeing B5 and B10, 
dino-diesel which is low sulphur with some biodiesel added to bring the 
lubrication back up to scratch - I think. Am I sort of on the right 
track here - comments from the list?

Andrew


> 
> Happy Happy,
> 
> Gustl




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[biofuel] Re: advil

[Keith Addison]

Hello Go

> > Hij Go
> >
> >> Thanks Keith,
> >>
> >> Loved the blacksmith with a cold slant, it struck close as I do a bit of
> >> hobby smithying myself
> >
> > Ah, do you? I'm just about to, I guess that's why I made that joke. I
> > need to make a sickle. Or two. I have some worn blades from a tractor
> > rotavator that should do, tough steel, hope it's not too tough.
>
>I have made machetes and scythe blades

You make scythe blades? "The standard scythe blade used today is 27.5 
inches long, made of hammered steel in 26 separate steps, and curved 
in every dimension to optimize the cut" it says here. Aleks Kac sent 
us two such scythes from Slovenia. They're like the Austrian scythes 
recommended by David Tresemer, Elliot Fishbein and others as being 
vastly superior to the American-style scythe, and sold in the US by 
people like Lehman's (who supply the Amish, among others), but they 
cost about $60 and up. They're cheap in Slovenia though, where such 
traditions are still, well, traditional (for now). Feeling much the 
same about airfreight and couriers as Todd does, and me too, Aleks 
sent them by surface mail, but somehow they came by air anyway. 
They're beautiful things. Something of a challenge to make one.

>from worn out metal saw blades which
>can be had for free from mechanical workshops they can be had in 10 and 15
>centimetre widths. This steel is hardened and will allow excellent sharpness
>but if you want a particular shape ask them to plasma cut the form you want,
>if you cut with acetelyn/oxygen the heat will spoil the hardening - you can
>re harden but it's not that easy. If you want to get into hardening an
>alternative material source would be vehicle leaf springs from the junk
>yard.

Good, I'd thought of leaf springs. I have some old circular saw 
blades that I've made knives from, nothing special, workshop and farm 
knives, but they're good, take a nice edge.

> > And I  don't have an anvil. I'm really sorry I didn't get a cheap one from
> > China when we were in Hong Kong. They cost an arm and a leg here in
> > Japan. I do have a two-foot length of heavy steel girder though, I
> > guess it'll do for now,
>
>Yes it will be fine for a lot of situations - an alternative is a length or
>two of railway track.
>
> > but I'll miss the fancy bits, the pritchel
> > hole, hardie hole, the table
>
>An upside down bit of railway track makes a reasonable table.
>
> >and especially the horn.
>
>A right way up railway track piece can be acetelyn/oxygen cut roughly to
>shape and ground down to your needs. Oh yes, and in my opinion these bits
>should be mounted on a piece of tree trunk rather than a steel girder for
>example because the wood will return a readable 'feedback' in time which a
>steel pedestal can never do.

Ha! I've just found an anvil! I think... They throw away tools here 
(!), superb sets of tools get garbaged when old craftsmen die and 
their sons aren't interested, very sad - but nice to find! I never 
found an anvil though, but I just met someone who did. He'll check it 
out, should know in a couple of days.

> > Actually I  don't have any of the tools, but if I can make a 
>sickle then I can
> > make tools too.
>
>Yes, that's the fun thing but if you are setting up a forge please remember
>that all coals are not suitable and that your raw material must contain
>sufficient carbon to be forgeable and not all suppliers these days know the
>difference.

I was thinking of charcoal. There's no shortage of wood around here. 
What do you think of charcoal, Go?

> > I do have a couple of really good books, and there
> > are good blacksmithing sites on the Web.
>
> >> - never heard of Advil before though. I went through
> >> my medicine cabinet and sure enough there on some of the smaller jars were
> >> the letters HDPE and on others something called DUMA.
> >
> > I don't know that one.
> >
> >> I am on a very slow
> >> modem connection but I did some searching in Swedish with a view to being
> >> able later to find local sources - I didn't get very far, though I did get
> >> very frustrated waiting ages for a download only to find it irrelevant.
> >
> > I know the feeling! No broadband here either (we're out in the
> > sticks), but it goes at about 64k, not too bad.
>
>That's not bad at all - the bummer for me is that nearly 90% of this country
>is broad banded but I too choose to live in the 'sticks' and it will be
>years if ever before we get hooked up unless satellite or radio takes off.

:-(

>Klipp..
> > Stand by to be unsurprised... it's on our website, in the biodiesel
> > section in fact. And most of it came from those good folks at the
> > Biofuel list, in their wisdom, because my situation was the same as
> > yours: What's HDPE? How do you tell? It's here:
> > Identifying plastics
> > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#plastics
>
>Well, I must say I am not so surprised - I have followed your work for a
>while now and I am extremely impressed and grateful an

Re[2]: [biofuel] EPA to Finalize Diesel Pollution Rules Tuesday

[Keith Addison]

Hi Gustl

>Hallo,
>
>Monday, 10 May, 2004, 22:35:42, you wrote:
>
>AL> Does  my  memory serve me correctly in that one of the "advertised
>AL> benefits"  of  biodiesel  is  that  it  contains  no sulphur hence
>AL> diesels  can  be fitted with catalytic converters? The reason they
>AL> aren't  already is that the sulphur poisons the converter. If this
>AL> is  the  case then won't the new requirements actually be good for
>AL> biodiesel,  assuming  the  engine  companies  do fit the catalytic
>AL> converters?
>AL> Regards,
>AL> Andrew Lowe
>
>I  have a couple of friends who keep telling me that biodiesel will be
>hard  on  engines  since there is no sulphur for lubricity.  And I can
>tell them...?

... that biodiesel is the solution to low-lubricity problems, not the 
cause of them. Adding 1% of biodiesel increases lubricity by 60%. The 
biodiesel industry in the US sees the pending arrival of USLD 
(ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel) as a great marketing opportunity, as 
adding even a small amount of biodiesel solves the lubricity problem 
for older motors without the need for an expensive retrofit. This is 
one reason that in France all diesel fuel contains between 2 and 5% 
biodiesel. For reference you can send them here:

http://www.biodiesel.org/pdf_files/Lubricity.PDF

Which says, among other things:

>Based on the HFRR testing run by Stanadyne, and testing from other 
>laboratories showing similar results, Stanadyne Automotive has 
>stated:
>
>"É.we have tested biodiesel at Stanadyne and results indicate that 
>the inclusion of 2% biodiesel into any conventional diesel fuel will 
>be sufficient to address the lubricity concerns that we have with 
>these existing diesel fuels. From our standpoint, inclusion of 
>biodiesel is desirable for two reasons. First it would eliminate the 
>inherent variability associated with the use of other additives and 
>whether sufficient additive was used to make the fuel fully 
>lubricious. Second, we consider biodiesel a fuel or fuel 
>component-not an additiveÉThus if more biodiesel is added than 
>required to increase lubricity, there will not be the adverse 
>consequences that might be seen if other lubricity additives are 
>dosed at too high a rate."
>
>The reasoning behind Stanadyne's support of 2% biodiesel makes 
>biodiesel an ideal solution to the existing lubricity problem with 
>diesel fuel-while supporting other environmental, energy security, 
>and economic development initiatives. As EPA forces the further 
>removal of sulfur from diesel fuel in 2006, which will undoubtedly 
>worsen fuel lubricity, the concentration of biodiesel can be raised 
>to that necessary to fully protect this future fuel as well.

... and...

>The conclusions drawn by the researchers from Southwest Research 
>Institute were: "Biodiesel fuels consisting of methyl esters of 
>soybean oil had excellent scuffing and adhesive wear resistance that 
>exceeds those of the best conventional diesel fuels."

Hope that helps.

Best wishes

Keith



>Happy Happy,
>
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[biofuel] Biodiesel in Los Angeles

[m_marie2002]

EVENT DESCRIPTION:   Forget sky-high gas prices, dump the petroleum 
addiction and Oil Cartels and learn more about clean and renewable 
Biofuels.  

Biodiesel is an alternative carbon-neutral, sulfur-free fuel made 
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alternative fuel in your backyard! Find out why small scale home 
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WHEN:
Sunday, May 16 2004 
3pm - 8pm  

WHERE:
Path to Freedom
631 Cypress Ave
Pasadena CA 91103 

more info 626.795.8400
www.pathtofreedom.com/outreach 

Cost: Suggested donations of $5 are welcome and will help cover the 
cost of utilities as well as used to instruct and expose others to 
biofuel/environmental education. 

This event includes a potluck so bring healthful food and drink to 
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EVENT DESCRIPTION: 

All we are saying is give grease a chance! 

3:00 WELCOME - Open Garage 

3:15 BIODIESEL 101 - Learn about biodiesel, its history and benefits 
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handed out.  SVO will also be addressed and explained.

5:00 POTLUCK - Please bring healthful foods and drinks (non-
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5:30 BIODIESEL PROCESSOR DEMO - Become familiarized with a compact 
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7:00 - 8:00 VIDEO SHOWING : 

THE VEGGIE VAN VOYAGE - Joshua Tickell?s film shows what life is 
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FRENCH FRIES TO GO - This award winning film features the self-
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FAT OF THE LAND - In the first kitchen-grease powered road movie, 
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[biofuel] US political humor

[MH]

 IronicTimes.com
 MAY 10 - 16, 2004
   Talk in Washington of Reviving Draft
 Cheney applies for a deferment.
   Kerry Accuses Bush of Leading Country Down Road to Ruin
 Bush accuses Kerry of waffling about whether he still has his war medals.

 "President Bush's campaign is now attacking John Kerry
  for throwing away some of his medals to protest the
  Vietnam War.  Bush did not have any medals to throw
  away, but in his defense he did have all his services
  records thrown out." ÷Jay Leno

 "Who would have ever thought that more naked
  pictures would come out under the Bush administration
  than under the Clinton administration?"   ÷Jay Leno 

 "The Supreme Court is now deciding whether the
  president can detain an American citizen indefinitely
  without legal counsel.  What?  Isn't this why we left
  England?  Didn't we have a King George once already?
  Hello?" ÷Jay Leno 

 "Yesterday, the Treasury Department unveiled the new
  fifty dollar bill.  You know who's on the 50-dollar bill?
  Grant.  Grant was a Republican president, who was a total
  failure in school, bankrupted his businesses and somehow
  wound up as president.  Bush calls him a role model, a
  trailblazer ÷ a leader." ÷Jay Leno 

   One night, George W. Bush was awakened in the White House by the ghost of 
George Washington.
 George W. asked the ghost, "Mr. Washington, sir, what is the best thing I can 
do to help the
 American people?"  "Set an honest and honorable example, George W., just as I 
did."
   The following evening, the ghost of Thomas Jefferson appeared before Bush in 
the dark bedroom.
 "Mr. Jefferson, sir," George W. asked, "what is the best thing I can do to 
help the American people?"
 "Preserve the land for future generations and stay out of foreign affairs."
   Bush wasn't sleeping well the next night, and saw yet another figure moving 
in the shadows.
 It was the ghost of Abraham Lincoln.  "Mr. Lincoln, sir, what is the best 
thing I can do to
 help the American people?" George W. asked.  "Go see a play." 
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Re: [biofuel] Items of information

[Stuart Hoenig]

If  biofuel will provide an address that I can send photos and drawings to 
I will be happy to, send  them. All I get so far is "we don't publish them".

Stuart A. Hoenig







At 08:02 PM 5/10/04 -0700, you wrote:
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>At 11:42 AM 5/10/04 -0600, you wrote:
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> >
> >Greg H.
> >   - Original Message -
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> >   To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com ; stuart a hoenig
> >   Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 10:50
> >   Subject: Re: [biofuel] Items of information
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> >
> >
> >
> >   The evaporation and condensation of water are very simple. In Fig. 1 I
> > show the data from Japan Fig. 2 is the set up that would be used, I drew
> > the system of Fig. 2 on the beach where it would be used.
> >
> >   The distance of the high voltage electrode from the water in Fig.1 is
> > about 5 cm. You will have to adjust this to the voltage available,
> > Asakawa used 250 volts AC I have gotten somewhat better results with
> > -5000 VDC. In Fig. 2 the needles in the salt water section should run at
> > about -10kV in the next section -10 to -15kV best. I can send more
> > details about the ground plate and other things.
> >
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[biofuel] Philadelphia Area Coop!!!

[arthur sauerhaft]

Hi Folks,
I've been lurking for some time now, and I'm excited by what  I see.
I am extremely interested in helping to start a Philadelphia  area 
biodiesel coop if one doesn't exist already.
Please pmail me using the subject line above and we'll see what we can 
do together.
Thanks,
Arthur
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Re: [biofuel] US poll about Iraq war

[Appal Energy]

Why not ask the Israelis Ted?

No. Wait. They haven't figured out their little problem yet either.

Many don't agree with the analogy of Iraq being another Viet Nam.

Rather, the comparison to the Gaza Strip or the West Bank is more
appropriate - continual attrition, continual hate, continual oppression,
continual occupation.

But heck. The US has been very good at oppression, occupation and even
genocide throughout its "illustrious" past. Just ask any American native.
And for that? Jackson got his picture on the $20.

One very queer country that pays homage to those who are the architects of
such sweeping devastation.

Todd Swearingen

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> As the poll states, the majority think this is a bad idea. My question is
how do we get out of it? Just quiting and going home would be a worse
situation and staying will cost many lives on all sides.
>
> Ted
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> Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I just saw the latest gallup polls about the Iraq war and Bush handling of
> it. As we said the whole time, "it were and is a bad idea to unilaterally
> occupy Iraq". Now finally a majority of the American people seems to agree
> with it and that Bush is not capable to handle it. Now we cannot find any
> majority population of any  country in the world, who think that the Iraq
> occupation was or is a good idea.
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> We also find some fine ways of which the OPEC countries show their opinion
> of what is happening. They are signing up the major development of Natural
> Gas with other countries, like Russia and China, and when US finally have
> transport capacity for NG, they will have difficulties to buy enough. The
> same is happening on new oil exploration. They also have difficulties in
> delivering more oil to US. This is not a surprise, if the proponents of
the
> opinion that we at the moment experience the Hubbert peak of oil
> production. The other possibility is that the oil producing countries
> prefer to sell to China, than to US. My personal opinion is that, even if
> they wanted, they cannot meet the growing demand in US and the world. US
is
> not only buying to meet higher demands, but is also buying desperately for
> filling up their strategic storage reserve, that way pushing prices
higher.
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Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Tier 1 testing

[Bill Clark]

Hi Marc,

I am currently running a small scale biodiesel project in Eufaula, Alabama.
We will be beginning production inside a month. I would be very interested
in having you test my biodiesel. Please reply to me at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Bill Clark
- Original Message - 
From: "Marc Orion Cardoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:24 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: EPA Tier 1 testing


>
> Dear eva,
>  Actually we were approached recently by a potential producer about
> doing that very thing... testing.and certifying biodiesel..for small
> producers who cant afford the exhorbitant testing fees.. We are a
> nonprofit organisation (501C3) known as "the Ecogenics center for the
> study of alternative solutions and environmental stewardship".. we
> envision being able to perform this service based on donations from
> biodiesel producers.. we have access to a gas chromatograph and have
> a well equipped testing laboratory. Over the years, we tested
> alternative feedstocks for ethanol production for growers all over
> the country and conducted studies in cellulose hydrolysis of woods
> and rice stalks. and lectured on alternative feedstocks at many
> National gasohol commission seminars as well as for the Tennessee
> Valley Authority and most of the community colleges in the south and
> southeast.and now we are well immersed in biodiesel production
> technology and have modified our distillery to be able to make up to
> seven thousand gallons per week of Nafta grade biodiesel. so we are
> well qualified to undertake such a responsibility.If theres any
> interest in this we are all ears...any producers out there needing
> testing services?
>  Marc Cardoso.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Eva Pierce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thanks for the links, Keith. I actually read a bunch of that, and
> the last
> > post by the person that talked to Jim Caldwell seems to put us back
> at
> > square 1: Small producers must either pay $300K for testing or join
> the NBB
> > for $5k a year. Nobody likes this; am I right?
> >
> > I'm proposing a solution: a nonprofit organization that acquires
> some sort
> > of free money to do the $300K testing. Basically like the NBB but
> the test
> > money comes from someone charitable who wants to promote the use of
> > alternative fuels by helping small producers into the market. And
> provide
> > that test data, along with a standard that is a bit less harsh than
> the
> > diesel standard, to small businesses. The data would be free to
> small
> > producers, or perhaps accessed for a small, affordable operations
> fee.
> >
> > P.S. Do other countries have regulations like this?
> > P.P.S. It's still "free" to sell biodiesel for marine use.
> >
> > [original message snipped]
>
>
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[biofuel] poly tanks

[Martin Klingensmith]

~500 gallon poly tanks in Northern NY
contain residue from a nontoxic petroleum chemical. A friend of mine 
bought two for $100.
Contact slack chemical
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Re: [biofuel] US poll about Iraq war

[Ted Dinkelman]

As the poll states, the majority think this is a bad idea. My question is how 
do we get out of it? Just quiting and going home would be a worse situation and 
staying will cost many lives on all sides. 
 
Ted

Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I just saw the latest gallup polls about the Iraq war and Bush handling of 
it. As we said the whole time, "it were and is a bad idea to unilaterally 
occupy Iraq". Now finally a majority of the American people seems to agree 
with it and that Bush is not capable to handle it. Now we cannot find any 
majority population of any  country in the world, who think that the Iraq 
occupation was or is a good idea.

We also find some fine ways of which the OPEC countries show their opinion 
of what is happening. They are signing up the major development of Natural 
Gas with other countries, like Russia and China, and when US finally have 
transport capacity for NG, they will have difficulties to buy enough. The 
same is happening on new oil exploration. They also have difficulties in 
delivering more oil to US. This is not a surprise, if the proponents of the 
opinion that we at the moment experience the Hubbert peak of oil 
production. The other possibility is that the oil producing countries 
prefer to sell to China, than to US. My personal opinion is that, even if 
they wanted, they cannot meet the growing demand in US and the world. US is 
not only buying to meet higher demands, but is also buying desperately for 
filling up their strategic storage reserve, that way pushing prices higher.

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[biofuel] Re: EPA Tier 1 testing

[Marc Orion Cardoso]

Dear eva,
 Actually we were approached recently by a potential producer about 
doing that very thing... testing.and certifying biodiesel..for small 
producers who cant afford the exhorbitant testing fees.. We are a 
nonprofit organisation (501C3) known as "the Ecogenics center for the 
study of alternative solutions and environmental stewardship".. we 
envision being able to perform this service based on donations from  
biodiesel producers.. we have access to a gas chromatograph and have 
a well equipped testing laboratory. Over the years, we tested 
alternative feedstocks for ethanol production for growers all over 
the country and conducted studies in cellulose hydrolysis of woods 
and rice stalks. and lectured on alternative feedstocks at many 
National gasohol commission seminars as well as for the Tennessee 
Valley Authority and most of the community colleges in the south and 
southeast.and now we are well immersed in biodiesel production 
technology and have modified our distillery to be able to make up to 
seven thousand gallons per week of Nafta grade biodiesel. so we are 
well qualified to undertake such a responsibility.If theres any 
interest in this we are all ears...any producers out there needing 
testing services?
 Marc Cardoso.






--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Eva Pierce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for the links, Keith. I actually read a bunch of that, and 
the last
> post by the person that talked to Jim Caldwell seems to put us back 
at
> square 1: Small producers must either pay $300K for testing or join 
the NBB
> for $5k a year. Nobody likes this; am I right?
> 
> I'm proposing a solution: a nonprofit organization that acquires 
some sort
> of free money to do the $300K testing. Basically like the NBB but 
the test
> money comes from someone charitable who wants to promote the use of
> alternative fuels by helping small producers into the market. And 
provide
> that test data, along with a standard that is a bit less harsh than 
the
> diesel standard, to small businesses. The data would be free to 
small
> producers, or perhaps accessed for a small, affordable operations 
fee.
> 
> P.S. Do other countries have regulations like this?
> P.P.S. It's still "free" to sell biodiesel for marine use.
> 
> [original message snipped]




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[biofuel] Re: biodiesel in Nevada City / Grass Valley CA

[TJ Ferreira]

I am new to Biodiesel and just getting started but there is a company
in Nevada City that sells Biodiesel.  I found them in my search.  I
live in Grass Valley myself.

Here is the information..

tj

World Energy Alternatives; Nevada City, CA
Phone:  (530) 478-9196
Contact:  Graham Noyes
http://www.worldenergy.net

--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Golden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm in the process of moving up to the Nevada City / Grass Valley
area of CA... I wanted to find out if there were any biodiesel
cooperatives in the area?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Matt
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[biofuel] Re: ethanol

[Marc Orion Cardoso]

-





 Hi,
 Ecogenics has been distilling fuel and pharmaceutical grade ethanol 
for thirty years now here in Sevierville Tennessee and is now 
producing  Biodiesel. At one point we were importing brazilian 
general motors  cars that could run on as low as 180 proof... we have 
modified vartious cars over the years, my favourite was my 1974 
MK4lincoln continental which i ran on ethanol made from apple and 
even carrots, jerusalem artichokes and various fruits and grains I 
also ran my ford F150 on alcohol and used to drive it often to 
National gasohol commission meetings during the heyday of gasohol 
when I was chairman of the Tennessee Gasohol  Commission.. from 1972 
till 1989. unfortunatly the big agro industrialists like ae staley 
dominate the ethanol market and the farmers who started  it all 
couldnt  compete... lets hope that the biggies dont take over the 
biodiesel industry as they did ethanol..see our ethanol- biodiesel 
plant on our website.. go to Ecogenics on google or go to the 
original website www dabney.com/ecogenics/ 
 Marc










In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, robert luis rabello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> j_schearer2000 wrote:
> 
> > I have a question for anyone who is distilling and using their own
> > alcohol in a fuel injected vehicle.
> 
> How many people do you think are actually doing this?  I 
haven't 
> heard of one, but when I do, I'd sure like to have a LONG talk!
> 
> >   If the vehicle is running
> > straight alcohol, can you switch back over to gasoline if you 
needed
> > to?
> 
> This would depend on how the system is set up.  The E 85 
vehicles 
> use some kind of fuel density sensor to change the computer 
algorithms 
> for fuel / air ratio and spark advance.  Computers make the job of 
> switching from one fuel to another less hardware intensive, but the 
> software has to work, and aside from the Bowling / Grippo system 
(or the 
> factory E 85 systems that already exist), I've never seen anyone 
take on 
> this problem for fuel injected ethanol / gasoline vehicles.  It 
might be 
> difficult to do with a single set of fuel injectors, unless they 
were 
> more robust at the outset.
> 
> In addition, if I was building an engine whose primary fuel was 
> ethanol, I would raise static compression ratio and take care to 
install 
> a cam that would increase compression pressure.  (The last engine I 
> built used this technique for propane, and it ran very well!)  If 
dual 
> fuel was necessary for trips, compromises in overall compression 
> pressure would be essential to avoid detonation.  At the very 
least, 
> high quality premium fuel is a must.  (I run Chevron's 94 octane 
premium 
> in my supercharged Ranger, and I've been paying over $1 per liter 
for 
> several weeks now. . .)
> 
> Alternatively, you could leave your stock fuel injection system 
> alone and devise a system (possibly using a vegetherm device?) to 
> vaporize the ethanol and inject it using propane components.  
Electronic 
> systems that allow switching between gaseous and liquid fuels 
already 
> exist, and this might be a compromise worth investigating if dual 
fuel 
> capability is important.
> 
> robert luis rabello
> "The Edge of Justice"
> Adventure for Your Mind
> http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782>




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[biofuel] US poll about Iraq war

[Hakan Falk]

I just saw the latest gallup polls about the Iraq war and Bush handling of 
it. As we said the whole time, "it were and is a bad idea to unilaterally 
occupy Iraq". Now finally a majority of the American people seems to agree 
with it and that Bush is not capable to handle it. Now we cannot find any 
majority population of any  country in the world, who think that the Iraq 
occupation was or is a good idea.

We also find some fine ways of which the OPEC countries show their opinion 
of what is happening. They are signing up the major development of Natural 
Gas with other countries, like Russia and China, and when US finally have 
transport capacity for NG, they will have difficulties to buy enough. The 
same is happening on new oil exploration. They also have difficulties in 
delivering more oil to US. This is not a surprise, if the proponents of the 
opinion that we at the moment experience the Hubbert peak of oil 
production. The other possibility is that the oil producing countries 
prefer to sell to China, than to US. My personal opinion is that, even if 
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Re: [biofuel] Items of information

[Greg Harbican]

Why not send them to Keith Addison, the list owner, to post in the files 
section then everyone can read them?

The way I figure, if I'm interested in the conversation there has to be others 
on the list, that is interested in this process, if for no other reason than to 
increase their knowledge or the subject.

Greg H.


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  Subject: Re: [biofuel] Items of information


  If you wish to see the figures referred to in this email, please send a 
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  At 11:42 AM 5/10/04 -0600, you wrote:
  >Fig. 1 & Fig. 2 of what?
  >
  >Greg H.
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  >
  >
  >
  >
  >   The evaporation and condensation of water are very simple. In Fig. 1 I 
  > show the data from Japan Fig. 2 is the set up that would be used, I drew 
  > the system of Fig. 2 on the beach where it would be used.
  >
  >   The distance of the high voltage electrode from the water in Fig.1 is 
  > about 5 cm. You will have to adjust this to the voltage available, 
  > Asakawa used 250 volts AC I have gotten somewhat better results with 
  > -5000 VDC. In Fig. 2 the needles in the salt water section should run at 
  > about -10kV in the next section -10 to -15kV best. I can send more 
  > details about the ground plate and other things.
  >
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RE: [biofuel] EPA Tier 1 testing

[Eva Pierce]

Thanks for the links, Keith. I actually read a bunch of that, and the last
post by the person that talked to Jim Caldwell seems to put us back at
square 1: Small producers must either pay $300K for testing or join the NBB
for $5k a year. Nobody likes this; am I right?

I'm proposing a solution: a nonprofit organization that acquires some sort
of free money to do the $300K testing. Basically like the NBB but the test
money comes from someone charitable who wants to promote the use of
alternative fuels by helping small producers into the market. And provide
that test data, along with a standard that is a bit less harsh than the
diesel standard, to small businesses. The data would be free to small
producers, or perhaps accessed for a small, affordable operations fee.

P.S. Do other countries have regulations like this?
P.P.S. It's still "free" to sell biodiesel for marine use.

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[biofuel] biodiesel in Nevada City / Grass Valley CA

[Matt Golden]

Hi all,

I'm in the process of moving up to the Nevada City / Grass Valley area of CA... 
I wanted to find out if there were any biodiesel cooperatives in the area?

Thanks.

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[biofuel] Re: ethanol

[Marc Orion Cardoso]

Dear jonathan,
 If only it were so.. almost though as cars now can handle 
E85..and there are some that are set up for E100 the fuel air 
module is not adjustable however...performance would be erratic.
the ethanol fuel air modules are however available but its either -
or...at this time..unless there have been developments I am not aware 
of...
 Marc








--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "j_schearer2000" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a question for anyone who is distilling and using their own 
> alcohol in a fuel injected vehicle.  If the vehicle is running 
> straight alcohol, can you switch back over to gasoline if you 
needed 
> to?  Example:  If you go on vacation and you have a full tank of 
> alcohol to start, but you need to fill up(obviously) while on the 
> road with regular gasoline.  Will this have adverse effects on the 
> engine?  I know with diesels, you can switch back and forth from 
> biodiesel to petroleum diesel if you need to in a pinch and it will 
> not have a lasting effect on the engine. Jonathan.




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Re: [biofuel] ethanol

[robert luis rabello]

j_schearer2000 wrote:

> I have a question for anyone who is distilling and using their own
> alcohol in a fuel injected vehicle.

How many people do you think are actually doing this?  I haven't 
heard of one, but when I do, I'd sure like to have a LONG talk!

>   If the vehicle is running
> straight alcohol, can you switch back over to gasoline if you needed
> to?

This would depend on how the system is set up.  The E 85 vehicles 
use some kind of fuel density sensor to change the computer algorithms 
for fuel / air ratio and spark advance.  Computers make the job of 
switching from one fuel to another less hardware intensive, but the 
software has to work, and aside from the Bowling / Grippo system (or the 
factory E 85 systems that already exist), I've never seen anyone take on 
this problem for fuel injected ethanol / gasoline vehicles.  It might be 
difficult to do with a single set of fuel injectors, unless they were 
more robust at the outset.

In addition, if I was building an engine whose primary fuel was 
ethanol, I would raise static compression ratio and take care to install 
a cam that would increase compression pressure.  (The last engine I 
built used this technique for propane, and it ran very well!)  If dual 
fuel was necessary for trips, compromises in overall compression 
pressure would be essential to avoid detonation.  At the very least, 
high quality premium fuel is a must.  (I run Chevron's 94 octane premium 
in my supercharged Ranger, and I've been paying over $1 per liter for 
several weeks now. . .)

Alternatively, you could leave your stock fuel injection system 
alone and devise a system (possibly using a vegetherm device?) to 
vaporize the ethanol and inject it using propane components.  Electronic 
systems that allow switching between gaseous and liquid fuels already 
exist, and this might be a compromise worth investigating if dual fuel 
capability is important.

robert luis rabello
"The Edge of Justice"
Adventure for Your Mind
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[biofuel] Upcoming Biodiesel Events Newsletter- May edition (mostly California)

[girl mark]

Here are the classes and biodiesel events (mostly in northern California) 
that I know about in the next few months. This listing is from the 
california biodiesel events list, 
www.groups.yahoo.com/group/norcal-biodiesel-events . More details will be 
posted there for some of these events.

If you know of other classes or demonstrations that will feature biodiesel 
or SVO, please send me the info for announcement. If you know of events 
(like fairs or festivals)  that want a biodiesel demo presence, or know of 
places that would like to host workshops or talks about biodiesel, please 
send me their contact info. There are a number of people interested in 
presenting at these events.



***
Biodiesel Mixin' Mixer at Path To Freedom:

Sunday, May 16, 2004,  3:00 to 8:00 p.m.
WHERE: Path to Freedom
631 Cypress Ave
Pasadena, California
626.795.8400
RSVP:  htttp://www.pathtofreedom.com/outreach
COST: Small donations ($5-$10)

At this demo, you will see how to make your own Biodiesel, become 
familiarized with a fumeless water heater processor, and last but not least 
ãsmell the tailpipeä exposition.
3:00 WELCOME ÷ Open Garage
3:15 BIODIESEL 101 ÷ Learn about biodiesel, its history and benefits as an 
alternative fuel. A 10 page "Introduction to Biodiesel" will be handed out.
5:00 POTLUCK ÷ Please bring healthful foods and drinks (non-alcoholic) to 
share and contribute to the Potluck.
5:30 HOMEBREW BIODIESEL÷ Become familiar with the compact fumeless water 
heater processor as Jules demonstrates the process of safely brewing 
biodiesel.
7:00 - 8:00 Bio-VIDEO SHOWING

***

CHANGE YOUR FUEL FILTER
Tuesday, May 18, 6-9pm
Our first hands-on workshop at the Biofuel Oasis, Berkeley
BioFuel Oasis - 2465 4th Street @ Dwight, Berkeley, CA
510.665.5509 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

--We'll have you change your fuel filter so you know exactly how to
do it, but we'll be there to instruct you the whole way.

It's a good thing to proactively change your fuel filter every 3-6 months, 
so you don't end up having to do it on the road. If it's time to change it, 
email us to sign up for this free workshop. Let us know what kind of car 
you have and what time would be convenient for you. We'll make up a 
schedule, and send you an email reminder.

Bring a fuel filter (German Auto Salvage on 4th St is a good place to get 
one), a couple screwdrivers, and possibly a clamp or visegrips and an 
oil/fuel drip pan. You can also just come and watch.

*
Biodiesel Homebrew Class!
DATE: May 22, 2004, 10am to 6pm
LOCATION: Lyle Center for Regenerative Studies, CalPoly Pomona
COST: $20 to 50, sliding scale. if you don't have the cash, and you
want to come, you are welcome.

We'll go over theory, do trial tests, do test batches of your own, all
kinds of talk on quality (how to be sure you got the good stuff to put in 
your lovely engine), wash techniques, and tons of talk on equipment... 
including how to make your own reactor. Brought to you by Kalib Kersch
RSVP to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

**
May 22, Oakland, Homebrew Biodiesel Class,
taught by Jennifer Radtke- class enrollment closed already

**
May 15th - informal biodiesel demo in Albuquerque, NM
contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] by Friday the 14th with your phone number 
for more details
*

May 22, Tucson, AZ, 10-5
Homebrew Biodiesel Comprehensive Workshop,
At Toole Ave Studios, 197 E Toole, downtown Tucson
$20-$50 sliding scale
taught by Maria Îmarkâ Alovert
Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] for details

May 23rd, Tucson, AZ- 10-5
Biodiesel Equipment Building Class
197 E Toole Ave,
$20-$50 sliding scale
If you would like to build a reactor at this workshop please contact me 
with your phone number by May 18th. [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Saturday May 29th
Hopland, CA
Comprehensive Homebrew Biodiesel Class at Solar Living Institute
with Maria 'Mark' Alovert

http://store.solarlivingstore.com/bifufrve2920.html

**

May 30th 12-6
Biodiesel Equipment Workshop (Berkeley)
taught by Maria ÎMarkâ Alovert
contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cost: $20-$50 sliding scale

If you would like to build a reactor at this workshop (full biodiesel 
system cost is $200 for parts, bring your own water heater as reactor 
tank), please email me with your phone number by May 18th.

**

July 2
Homebrew Biodiesel Class
Hopland CA
at Solar Living Institute
with Jennifer Radtke
http://store.solarlivingstore.com/bifufrve220h.html

*
July 3rd
Straight Vegetable Oil Fuels Class
Hopland CA
Solar Living Institute
Jennifer Radtke and co-instructor to be announced
http://store.solarlivingstore.com/veoi320hoca.html


July 12 and 13th
National Biodiesel Board meeting, Washington, DC (?)
www.biodiesel.org

Possib

[biofuel] Re: smartcar

[Brian]

I rented a Polo when I was in Ireland in March.  It was a great car, 
and served three of us very well for travel around and across the 
island.  I only wish that I could go to my local VW dealer here in 
Indiana and buy one.

Brian

--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi MM,
> 
> There are at least a couple of levels to this in Europe. One level 
is of smaller cars. I believe the VW Lupo and the Polo fit here. 
They are both smaller than a Golf/Jetta-Bora/New Beetle, but easily 
reach highway speeds. They can go long distances, albeit one would 
want to stop and stretch frequently. Then, recently I have been 
seeing more of the three and four wheel vehicles which are totally 
enclosed against the weather and are classed as motorcycles. Their 
classification depends upon the maximum engine displacement, which I 
believe is 50 cc. They don't reach highway speeds and are frequently 
seen tooling along the shoulder of the road being passed by the 
larger vehicles. They are great for city use as they go fast enough 
for city traffic, are much much easier to park, and are relatively 
inexpensive.
> 
> I can still remember something of a 'duh moment' a bit after I 
first went to Europe and I first realixed that the VW Beetle that I 
considered to be a small car, was a large car by the European 
standards of the time. Still today, one sees plenty of the smaller 
VW Polos and similar sized cars. Clearly there are larger vehicles, 
which are basically the same as the imported European cars seen in 
the US market, but the percentage has to be fairly low. The vast 
majority of the vehicles would appear to be VW Golf sized.
> 
> Part of this is the different transportation model seen in Europe 
when I first went there. Cars were mostly used for transportation 
locally, and often only when the city bus wasn't available or 
convenient. Many people didn't have a car. Any travel between cities 
was by bus or train. I think Europe has moved slightly away from 
this model as cars have become more popular, more divided highways 
have been built, and long distance car travel has become more 
accepted.
> 
> Derek
> 
> 
> > Thanks for the info.  If true, this would fill in a gap.  I've 
heard from
> > several builders of proposed "city" type cars, or smaller cars 
that were at
> > highway speeds or maybe only went to city speeds, that some sort 
of problem like
> > this with DOT regs is the factor in preventing them from 
reasonable access to
> > U.S. markets.  The REVA people, when I spoke to them, were 
already on the road
> > with hundreds of cars in India and maybe one or two other 
places, and were keen
> > to come to the US, if not for this type of problem with DOT 
regs.  The car was
> > designed here but had to be made and sold elsewhere.
> > 
> > Funny, but I've never heard anyone go over this issue outside of 
these
> > discussion groups and outside of industry people.  I don't think 
I've ever seen
> > a news article on it.
> > 
> > About the Honda you mention: I never knew about that tiny little 
Honda until I
> > saw an ad for their resurrection of the small little convertible 
idea and they
> > had some history of the matter as to the first car they brought 
here.
> > 
> > MM
> > 
> > On Mon, 10 May 2004 08:36:43 +, you wrote:
> > 
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >Back in the mid-70s Honda began importing into the US market 
their first car. 
> > Earlier they had just imported motocycles. A friend of mine had 
one and he loved 
> > it. Unfortunately, after a couple of years that model was 
discontinued and Honda 
> > only imported larger vehicles. I was told that the DOT 
regulations were changed 
> > to require cars to have a longer wheel base than that early 
Honda. At the time, 
> > I thought it was for safety reasons. Now, I wonder if there 
wasn't some other 
> > reason why those regulations were put into place. Anyway, when I 
lived in Europe 
> > in the 80s, I often saw neat small city cars, like the Fiat 500 
and the original 
> > Mini. Again, I was told they weren't exported to the US market 
because they were 
> > too small to meet regulations. So...my take on why the VW Lupo 
and the MB Smart 
> > Car aren't in the US market is based on these DOT regulations, 
not on some sort 
> > of problem with the engine. And, that is why they are 
considering an upsized 
> > model of the Smart Car in 2006 for the
> > >US market. If we want to see these small fuel efficient models 
in the US 
> > market, even just for city/town use, something needs to be done 
about the DOT 
> > regulations which require a minimum wheel base.
> > >
> > >Derek
> > >
> > >
> > >> I wonder, will Smart make the little SUV (Smart Urban 
Vehicle?) weigh in at
> > >> 6,000 lbs to qualify for the tax write-off?  ;)
> > >> 
> > >> Ryan
> > >>   -Original Message-
> > >>   From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>   Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 7:38 AM
> > >>   To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> > >>   Subje

[biofuel] ethanol

[j_schearer2000]

I have a question for anyone who is distilling and using their own 
alcohol in a fuel injected vehicle.  If the vehicle is running 
straight alcohol, can you switch back over to gasoline if you needed 
to?  Example:  If you go on vacation and you have a full tank of 
alcohol to start, but you need to fill up(obviously) while on the 
road with regular gasoline.  Will this have adverse effects on the 
engine?  I know with diesels, you can switch back and forth from 
biodiesel to petroleum diesel if you need to in a pinch and it will 
not have a lasting effect on the engine. Jonathan. 




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[biofuel] The Tucson Biodiesel Workshops, May 22 and 23

[girl mark]

Here are the details of the two Biodiesel workshops in Tucson this month:

May 22- Homebrew Biodiesel Comprehensive Workshop, 10-5

 Wear closed toe shoes and long pants, bring safety glasses if you have 
them, and be prepared for being in a no-air-conditioning building most of 
the day (the bad news). bring something to take notes with. I'll have lab 
coats for when you do hands-on 'lab' work.  Also, we will take an hour 
lunch- please bring your brown bag lunch and some snacks/refreshments to 
share if you can. The food co-op and restaurants are also nearby. Bring 
your drinking water!

The class will cover both lab-scale and full-size, hands-on biodiesel 
experiments, and we will demonstrate making a full-size batch of homebrew 
biodiesel. We will cover quality control and quality testing, bubblewashing 
and mistwashing, acid-base two-stage biodiesel, ethanol biodiesel, and much 
more. there will be a short equipment discussion although the optional 
equipment class on the second day will go into much more of this in detail. 
I recommend reading the www.journeytoforever.org and 
www.me.iastate.edu/biodiesel online biodiesel course first. We won't be 
covering straight vegetable oil conversions but I can answer some questions 
about that topic at lunch.


May 23, Biodiesel Homebrew Equipment Building Workshop, 10-5

Come help build a simple water heater-based biodiesel reactor and a 
barrel-based wash tank. This is a simple, no-welding design but we will 
also discuss metalworking skills and how to work with other types of tanks 
you might find. We will build one or two full systems and will go into 
detail about pumps, methanol recovery, wiring and heating, basic plumbing, 
some metalworking info, and other useful information for building your own 
small or large biodiesel system. Some of the equipment we are building is 
seen at www.veggieavenger.com/media . Please keep checking that link as I 
will update it shortly with more of the design we're building.

If you are interested in building your own system at the workshop, please 
contact me with your phone number before May 18 at 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] to discuss parts and materials (parts cost is 
$180 plus a water heater ($200) for the full system approximately, also I 
would need to find closed-head barrels for the wash tanks which shouldn't 
cost much at the scrapyard. Let me know if anyone has leads on where to 
find these for free in town).

  You do not have to attend the previous day's class, or have biodiesel 
experience to come to the equipment building workshop. I recommend first 
reading www.journeytoforever.org , the www.me.iastate.edu/biodiesel 
'course' , and www.veggieavenger.com/media

**
Registration details:
 Each class is $20-$50 sliding scale, with no one turned away for lack 
of funds.  I also have for sale a 100-page guide to making homebrew 
biodiesel, which is an additional $8.

  Drop me an email if you think you are coming- but there is no 'firm' 
preregistration required.
If you would like to, you can prepay by sending me the class fee through 
PayPal (which will make my trip down here easier)- my paypal account is 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] . Otherwise, you can just pay what you wish at 
the workshop.


Directions:

  The location is 197 E. Toole ave in downtown Tucson. The cross street is 
6th Ave. Most of the class will be conducted indoors but it is not an air 
conditioned building- again, bring plenty of drinking water! If you get 
lost, the phone number of Dave Lewis at Toole Ave Studios is 520 622 3735 . 
for any info on the workshop itself please contact me by email 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Here's the yahoo maps link:
http://maps.yahoo.com/dd_result?ed=4yd1GeV.wimSIxJtE.d5HybOY9aGmj2rPI7EvLQKSfCAkQ--&csz=Nogales%2C+arizona&country=us&tcsz=Tucson%2C+AZ+85701-1210&tcountry=us&oerr=3005


Directions according to Yahoo Maps:

 From the West on I-10: 
4.  Take the ST MARYS RD exit, exit #257A - go 0.2 mi   
5.  Continue on N FREEWAY - go 0.1 mi   
6.  Turn  on W ST MARYS RD - go 0.4 mi
7.  Continue on W 6TH ST - go 0.3 mi
8.  Turn  on N STONE AVE - go 0.1 mi
9.  Turn  on E TOOLE AVE - go 0.2 mi
10. Arrive at 197 E TOOLE AVE, TUCSON



 From I-19/ from the east on I-10 (please check this with a roadmap as I 
might be missing something here)

exit #101B - go 2.0 mi  
12. Take the CONGRESS ST exit towards BROADWAY, exit #258 - go 0.2 mi   
13. Continue on S FREEWAY - go 0.1 mi   
14. Turn  on W CONGRESS ST - go 0.3 mi  
15. Turn  on W PENNINGTON ST - go 0.3 mi
16. Continue on E PENNINGTON ST - go 0.2 mi 
17. Turn  on N 6TH AVE - go 0.1 mi  
18. Turn  on E TOOLE AVE - go < 0.1 mi  
19. Arrive at 197 E TOOLE AVE, TUCSON


shameless sales pitch:

I'm trying to afford to do more of these classes outside of California this

[biofuel] Biodiesel in Slovenia too!

[Robi Lang]

Dear valuable readers,
 
I am pleased to inform all of you that from May 1st the company OTIP from 
Maribor is offering the Biodiesel on slovenian (new EU member!) market!!! So, 
from now on the BD users from Slovenia and abroad  will be able to fill up 
their cars in Slovenia too. But not only that, due to support of Slovenian 
Government the biggest urban transport companies are already discuse about it's 
implementation too! 
OTIP import BD from Austrian well known supplier SEEG from Mureck. 
Price is slightly lower as mineral diesel.
If you will come in Slovenia with Diesel engine - no more reason to care about 
fuel!!! You will stay "green" here too!
Regards to all valuable members!
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Re[2]: [biofuel] EPA to Finalize Diesel Pollution Rules Tuesday

[Gustl Steiner-Zehender]

Hallo,

Monday, 10 May, 2004, 22:35:42, you wrote:

AL> Does  my  memory serve me correctly in that one of the "advertised
AL> benefits"  of  biodiesel  is  that  it  contains  no sulphur hence
AL> diesels  can  be fitted with catalytic converters? The reason they
AL> aren't  already is that the sulphur poisons the converter. If this
AL> is  the  case then won't the new requirements actually be good for
AL> biodiesel,  assuming  the  engine  companies  do fit the catalytic
AL> converters?
AL> Regards,
AL> Andrew Lowe

I  have a couple of friends who keep telling me that biodiesel will be
hard  on  engines  since there is no sulphur for lubricity.  And I can
tell them...?

Happy Happy,

Gustl
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soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, 
without signposts.  
C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters"

Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, 
da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewšhnlichen Welt nicht 
gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden.

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Re: [biofuel] EPA to Finalize Diesel Pollution Rules Tuesday

[Keith Addison]

Yes, true.

A couple of years ago Tokyo's populist mayor, a far rightwing buffoon 
named Ishihara, launched a cheap-vote-catching campaign against 
diesels, the DieselNo! campaign: cure the symptom instead of the 
disease. The main complaint is the usual one in such cases, NOx. 
Everyone's frightened of confronting the petroleum lobby, so that 
doesn't come into it, and the automakers decided to jump on the 
bandwagon for the sake of the short-term gains to be made from 
selling more new cars. So, there are more and more restrictions on 
diesels, especially diesel cars, and it's spreading beyond Tokyo. Not 
many Japanese seem to know that the Japanese automakers do make 
highly efficient, very clean, diesel cars, but only for export, to 
Europe, not for Japan.

A Toyota executive who got interested in biofuels wrote to me and 
said this, among other things: "... our company would be afraid to 
introduce products which determinedly confronts not only petroleum 
major, but also grain major..." Amazing. The Clean Air campaigners 
told Midori the same thing.

A silly story. Of which our friend Wada-san was a victim. He found 
himself being forced to spend many millions of yen on a new, 
gasoline-engined car that he didn't want and didn't need. And he 
loves his VW (94 Golf 3). It was fitted with a catalytic converter, 
which hardly worked at all because LSD fuel is still rare here (and 
only 50ppm), so too much sulphur, lots of black smoke. He had it 
cleaned up and started running on biodiesel (no sulphur) which he 
managed to buy from one of the very few outlets here (poor quality 
but better than nothing). He also rigged an electronic control for it 
(he works for IBM). He had to pay I think 300,000 yen to put the car 
through emissions tests to prove that it was within the DieselNo! 
limits. He used petro-diesel for the test (LSD), and the cat 
converter worked well because of the previous use of biodiesel. And 
it passed the test, for both NOx and PM. So now he drives his diesel 
in a DieselNo! area. Very interesting. Others will follow.

There are also additives available which lower NOx emissions with biodiesel.

Best

Keith



>True.
>
>Also true for SVO.
>
>  biodiesel/SVO owners can add these if they wish to reduce emissions
>even further.
>
>...just don't run any North American diesel in it if so fitted!!
>
>You could also conceivably add particle traps, since the particulate
>emissions are usually reduced 30-50%.
>
>
>
>Edward Beggs
>
>
>
>
>On Monday, May 10, 2004, at 07:35 PM, Andrew Lowe wrote:
>
> > Does my memory serve me correctly in that one of the "advertised
> > benefits" of biodiesel is that it contains no sulphur hence diesels can
> > be fitted with catalytic converters? The reason they aren't already is
> > that the sulphur poisons the converter. If this is the case then won't
> > the new requirements actually be good for biodiesel, assuming the
> > engine
> > companies do fit the catalytic converters?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrew Lowe



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RE: [biofuel] 100,000 miles on SVO?

[Ryan Morgan]

I would highly reccomend posting your request to the TDI Club
(www.tdiclub.com)  They have a good biodiesel forum where, I am sure you
will find some folks w/ high miles on SVO.
  -Original Message-
  From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 1:46 PM
  To: Biofuel@yahoogroups.com
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [biofuel] 100,000 miles on SVO?


  Hi all,

  I often get asked how many engines, specifically modern direct
  injection engines, I know of, that have gone more than the magic number
  (for some reason) of 100,000 miles (yes, miles, not kilometers,
  please...so, let's say over 160,000 km)

  I know I could spend hours scouring the databases, such as they exist,
  translating from German sites, etc. etc...but if anyone needs a good
  research project for academic work, this is one!!

  Or, if you just want to send me notice of examples of such that you are
  aware of, please do!

  Please exclude old Mercedes.I know there are lots of those that
  have gone that far...I am looking for TDI's, modern trucks, equivalent
  hours on gensets or tractors (let's see...1600 hours at 100 km/hok,
  let's say over 1600 hours),  etc.

  I'll compile these as they come in, unless someone out there can set up
  a self-admin database for us, which would be a heck of a lot easier,
  and more accessible for all

  The SVO 100,000 Mile Club Database.anyone up for doing that?

  We can host it on our server space if need be, I think.

  Spread the word? Help get it going?

  Thank you!

  Edward Beggs




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RE: [biofuel] My first tank of B20

[Ryan Morgan]

Good work, busyditch!  Wait until you get that Golf chipped, can you say
bio-wheel-spin?

:)

Ryan

P.S.  Lucky you, Diesel #2 is $2.19-2.25 and BD100 $3.21 here in Phoenix, AZ
right now.
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  Well, I have finally found a source for B-D here in North NJ. It is a
local
  fuel oil company who carries 5 gal pails and also 55 gal drums. I bought 3
  pails today, with the hope of buying a drum and keeping it in the yard
where
  I work. I put in 3 gallons because it is a 14 gal tank (Golf) and then
  topped it off. Oh, yeah, while g-ass-oline prices are soaring, I have
  watched petro diesel come down almost 8 cents per gallon in 2 weeks, (I
paid
  $1.55 US per galllon) The first thing I noticed when I got home is that
the
  exhaust smell is much less notable. So now the Biodiesel sticker in my
back
  window is finaly accurate. Now on to making my own!
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[biofuel] News from Google: Biodiesel love-in

[Ryan Morgan]

Biodiesel love-in
by Mike Keefe-Feldman

Republican Sen. Conrad Burns and Democratic gubernatorial hopeful Brian
Schweitzer engaged in a bitter Senate campaign in 2000, but the two
politicians came together to sing the praises of vegetable-oil based
biodiesel fuel in Missoula on Sat., April 24, during the grand opening of
biodiesel pumps at two local Cenex stations÷one on Brooks St., the other on
North Reserve.
After Burns congratulated Cenex, Schweitzer showed up to say that a
biodiesel bill would be the first piece of legislation heâd sign as
governor.

Jeremy Richter was first in the pump-line, filling up his girlfriendâs
silver Jetta with the new B20 biodiesel/regular hybrid fuel. While much of
the concern over biodiesel has centered on price (biodiesel in Missoula will
cost $2.15/gallon as compared to approximately $1.95/gallon for regular
diesel), Richter says he thinks the new fuel may actually be more
cost-effective due to biodieselâs increased gas mileage.

Richter recounts filling up on biodiesel one day in Seattle, driving around
that day and returning to Missoula the next, all on one tank of biodiesel.

David Max, vice president of Sustainable Systems, LLC, the company behind
the new pumps, says that the cost of biodiesel is also balanced out by
studies which have shown that the fuel is easier on an engineâs injector
components, meaning less maintenance may be required.

The bulldozer that plows snow off Glacier National Parkâs Going to the Sun
Road is run on biodiesel, according to Glacier Facility Manager Lou
Summerfield, who told those in attendance that his crew currently uses 63
biodiesel-run vehicles.

ãWeâve had no problems whatsoever with biodiesel, and tests have shown weâve
reduced emissions significantly,ä Summerfield said. ãI didnât have to make
any vehicle modifications at all, so all I can tell you is Îgo for it.âä

The dayâs only conflict stemmed from the choice of free hot dogs versus soy
dogs.

When one gentleman noted that the soy variety was going faster, another
replied, ãThose are the kind of people who are going to be into this.ä





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[biofuel] Capitol Hearing Gives Ethanol, Biodiesel Boost

[Ryan Morgan]

Capitol Hearing Gives Ethanol, Biodiesel Boost


Washington, DC - May 7, 2004 [SolarAccess.com] Chairman Sam Graves of the
House Subcommittee on Rural Enterprises, Agriculture, and Technology held a
hearing about the future of renewable energy. Graves held the hearing to
provide facts about the progress America has made with renewable energy and
the future of the industry.

"Ethanol and biodiesel are not just the future of America's energy supply,
they are cleaner and affordable alternatives today," Graves said. "It's a
triple play. It's good for the environment. It's good for consumers. And
it's good for farmers."

Graves cited America's dependence on foreign sources of energy as evidence
that a new energy policy that invests in domestic sources of energy be
implemented as soon as possible. The House and Senate have passed an energy
policy but have yet to work out their differences. Graves stressed that an
energy policy is needed to help meet our energy needs while protecting our
national security.

"We can grow much of America's energy needs in Missouri," Graves said.
"That's why we need a national energy policy that invests more in the
domestic production of energy. Breaking our dependence on foreign oil is not
only a good energy policy, it is good for our national security."

Charlie Hurst is a fifth generation farmer from North West Missouri and
secretary treasurer of Golden Triangle Energy Cooperative from Craig,
Missouri. He testified about the economic benefits of ethanol.

"The ability for farmers to impact our energy supply is a big step forward
for the farming industry," Mr. Hurst said. "The fact that we can take corn
we grow in the field and turn it into energy is remarkable. It means more
jobs in Missouri and greater financial and national security for America.
Investing in ethanol is a way to preserve a way of life for farmers across
the Midwest. I hope the government recognizes how important ethanol is to
our way of life and invests more in ethanol production."

Brooks Hurst, who testified on behalf of the Missouri Soybean Association,
is from Tarkio, Missouri. He testified about the benefits of biodiesel.

"Biodiesel helps keep our environment and the air we breathe clean," said
Mr. Hurst. "Another major benefit of biodiesel is that it lessens the
nation's dependence on foreign oil. Why should we in this nation continue
importing fuel from the Middle East when farmers such as myself can grow 100
percent renewable fuel on farms right here in the USA in an environmentally
beneficial way?"




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[biofuel] DaimlerChrysler India undertaking 5,000km biodiesel test drive

[Ryan Morgan]

EXCLUSIVE: INDIA: DaimlerChrysler India undertaking 5,000km biodiesel test
drive
05 May 2004
Source: just-auto.com editorial team

Article Summary:
In a joint project with University of Hoehenheim, Germany and Council for
Scientific and Industrial research (CSIR), India, DaimlerChrysler has
initiated a sustainability study of the usage of bio-diesel, derived from
Jatropha vegetable oil, as an automotive fuel.

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[biofuel] Biodiesel stations to expand in Colorado

[Ryan Morgan]

Article Published: Sunday, April 25, 2004
Biodiesel stations to expand in Colorado
Distributor to add 10 sites to Front Range

By Kris Hudson
Denver Post Staff Writer


Post / Craig F. Walker
Denver Public Works employee Gene Roybal steps from a truck last week at
Denver Wastewater Management Facility on West Third Avenue. Public Works
will participate in a pilot biodiesel program.

A Fort Collins-based distributor of biodiesel fuel plans to more than triple
its distribution sites in Colorado next month.

Blue Sun Biodiesel intends to add 10 new stations to the four that now pump
its B20 biodiesel, a mixture of 80 percent diesel and 20 percent processed
soybean oil.

"Going from four to 14 is a representation of the kind of people that we
have here on the Front Range," said Jeff Probst, president and chief
executive of 2 1/2-year-old Blue Sun. "Going from diesel fuel to biodiesel
takes an investment" from drivers willing to pay more at the pump.

Blue Sun's expansion comes after the city of Denver announced plans last
week to fuel 60 of its Public Works vehicles with biodiesel for the rest of
this year.

Among Blue Sun's new sites are stations in Boulder, Colorado Springs,
Pueblo, Fort Lupton, Fort Collins and in Denver at 5201 York St. Those sites
add to Blue Sun's four established sites in Boulder, Fort Morgan, Carbondale
and Commerce City.

Proponents of biodiesel note that it produces fewer emissions than regular
diesel and, in some cases, produces better mileage per gallon. However, it
typically costs 15 percent to 20 percent more per gallon than regular
diesel. Friday, a gallon of diesel in Colorado averaged $1.87.

"Up to some point, people are willing to pay extra for a more
environmentally friendly product," said Bob McCormick, a senior fuels
engineer at the National Renewable Energy Laboratories in Golden. "But I
don't know how big the market could get."

Aside from Denver's Public Works department, other biodiesel users in
Colorado include Colorado Springs Utilities, the Regional Transportation
District, the city of Boulder, the University of Colorado and Rocky Mountain
National Park. Denver Public Schools intends to fuel 100 of its buses with
biodiesel.

In Denver, Offen Petroleum will convert three commercial pumps and one
regular automotive pump at its Sinclair station on York Street to biodiesel
in May. "It's going to be our sole offering here at the station," Offen
managing director Bill Gallagher said.





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Re: [biofuel] EPA to Finalize Diesel Pollution Rules Tuesday

[Neoteric Biofuels Inc]

True.

Also true for SVO.

  biodiesel/SVO owners can add these if they wish to reduce emissions 
even further.

...just don't run any North American diesel in it if so fitted!!

You could also conceivably add particle traps, since the particulate 
emissions are usually reduced 30-50%.



Edward Beggs




On Monday, May 10, 2004, at 07:35 PM, Andrew Lowe wrote:

> Does my memory serve me correctly in that one of the "advertised
> benefits" of biodiesel is that it contains no sulphur hence diesels can
> be fitted with catalytic converters? The reason they aren't already is
> that the sulphur poisons the converter. If this is the case then won't
> the new requirements actually be good for biodiesel, assuming the 
> engine
> companies do fit the catalytic converters?
>
>   Regards,
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Re: [biofuel] Items of information

[Stuart Hoenig]

If you wish to see the figures referred to in this email, please send a 
non-Yahoo email address, or a fax number.

Stuart Hoenig

At 11:42 AM 5/10/04 -0600, you wrote:
>Fig. 1 & Fig. 2 of what?
>
>Greg H.
>   - Original Message -
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>   To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com ; stuart a hoenig
>   Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 10:50
>   Subject: Re: [biofuel] Items of information
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>
>
>   The evaporation and condensation of water are very simple. In Fig. 1 I 
> show the data from Japan Fig. 2 is the set up that would be used, I drew 
> the system of Fig. 2 on the beach where it would be used.
>
>   The distance of the high voltage electrode from the water in Fig.1 is 
> about 5 cm. You will have to adjust this to the voltage available, 
> Asakawa used 250 volts AC I have gotten somewhat better results with 
> -5000 VDC. In Fig. 2 the needles in the salt water section should run at 
> about -10kV in the next section -10 to -15kV best. I can send more 
> details about the ground plate and other things.
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Re: [biofuel] EPA to Finalize Diesel Pollution Rules Tuesday

[kline]

> Yes, I wondered the same thing.  I think the question of how much NOx
> might come
> from biodiesel is somewhat complex, depending on the fuel and the engine?
>
> On the rest of the emissions issues, I think it is not disputed that
> Biodiesel
> would be a help.
>
> The 2007 sulfur-reduction date is a disappointment I think.
>
> On Mon, 10 May 2004 21:48:26 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>I wonder if this will have any effect on the sale and use of biodiesel
>>in the US, since its nitrous oxide levels are higher than petro diesel?
>>The article seems to stress that the reduction in nitrous oxide levels
>>are their focus.
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>Well, there are basically 2 opinions on this, either the diesel engien
will adjust to these new requirements, and because of the fact that if
the NOx and particulate emissions can be controlled, they are by far
more environmentally friendly, they will be everywhere by 2010.  Others
say diesels will go teh way of the dinosaur, and everything will have to
have spark plugs by 2010.  What say you all?  Personally I haven't a
clue.  I just know what I think would be good.
J.D.
>>murdoch wrote:
>>
>>>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=585&e=1&u=/nm/20040510/sc_nm/environment_diesel_dc
>>>
>>>Fuel refiners will be required to produce diesel fuel by 2012 that is 99
>>> percent free of smog-causing nitrogen oxides under the new rules, which
>>> the EPA proposed a year ago.
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Re: [biofuel] Items of information

[Art Krenzel]

Stuart,

I have reviewed the information that you Faxed me and think there might be some 
other features which are affecting the evaporation rate of the water beyond 
high voltage.

First of all, the water is at 50 deg C where water has a significant vapor 
pressure and also significant latent heat in the mass of the water.

Second: High voltage can create a feature called "electric wind" which can 
create a higher than normal airflow rate across a water surface.  A higher 
airflow can cause a higher evaporation rate as evidenced by wind blowing across 
a lake.  It is not uncommon to get a multiple increase in evaporation rate even 
at room temperature by increasing the airflow across the surface of water.

Third:  There is no accounting for the heat required to provide the energy for 
evaporation.  This is a physical law and not negotiable by high voltage or 
such.  Water doesn't just "exist" at 50 deg C unless something is heating it up 
and this was not made clear in the data or sketches you sent.  How much energy 
was added to the water during the time of testing?

Fourth:  I would like a better explanation how "water vapor" can be condensed 
using high voltage.  I can understand how "droplets" (not water vapor) can be 
electrostatically collected if they can hold a charge but not "water vapor".  I 
worked for a waste water evaporator manufacturer for awhile and noticed that 
the evaporation rate when the liquid level was close to the stack was quite 
high.  As the liquid level dropped, the rate of evaporation dropped as well.  
It turns out the spray from fractured boiling bubbles was being entrained in 
the airflow out the exhaust.  This entrainment counted as evaporation rate but 
really clogged the stack as the water evaporated and left the solids which had 
been in the evaporator waste water.

Fifth:  Your sketch showed water droplets being created by the airflow across 
the evaporator.  If droplets are being condensed in a condenser downstream of 
the evaporator, the salt concentration of the condensed water will be the same 
as the salt concentration in the evaporator.  That is not de-salination.  Only 
when you go to completely pure water vapor are you able to leave the solids 
behind.

Looking forward to your reply.

Art Krenzel, P.E.
PHOENIX TECHNOLOGIES
10505 NE 285TH Street
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  Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 9:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] Items of information


  Art Krenzel 

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  The evaporation and condensation of water are very simple. In Fig. 1 I show 
the data from Japan Fig. 2 is the set up that would be used, I drew the system 
of Fig. 2 on the beach where it would be used.

  The distance of the high voltage electrode from the water in Fig.1 is about 5 
cm. You will have to adjust this to the voltage available, Asakawa used 250 
volts AC I have gotten somewhat better results with -5000 VDC. In Fig. 2 the 
needles in the salt water section should run at about -10kV in the next section 
-10 to -15kV best. I can send more details about the ground plate and other 
things.

  For the first unit you can use steel sewing needles, but steel will rust in 
that environment, eventually you will have to go to stainless. I will be happy 
to work with you.

  Suppliers of high voltage equipment include Edmund Scientific, 
www.scientificsonline.com, SURPLUS CENTER www.surpluscenter.com or GAMMA High 
Voltage, ask for Dom Galluzzo Tel 904-677-7070.

  Prof. Stuart A. Hoenig

  Dept. of Electrical Engin.

  Univ. Of Arizona

  Tucson, AZ 85721

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To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Items of information


Professor Hoenig:

You presented some very fine ideas with your recent post to this listserve. 
 I thank you.

I have followed the desalination concepts for years but have not heard of a 
"simpler electrical system could increase the rate of evaporation by 500%and 
the evaporated water is fresh. This water can be condensed by another simple 
electrical system.

Would you elaborate on the specifics of the process, please?

I fully support your concept of recovering biogas from organic wastes 
destined for landfills and subsequent loss from the cycle of life.  Keep 
beating the drum!

Art Krenzel, P.E.
PHOENIX TECHNOLOGIES
10505 NE 285TH Street
Battle Ground, WA 98604
360-666-1883 voice
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Stuart Hoenig 
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 11:11 AM
  Subject: [biofuel] Items of information


  Reading the messages it appears that most of the members are thinking 
only 
  about their personal problems.  Making biogas on a home basis is 
  impract

[biofuel] first correction: Testing for Soap In Unwashed Biodiesel and Glycerol

[girl mark]

Typo:

I wrote this and it's wrong:

"To convert from the weight measurements above to volume measurements that 
we use,  use the following: Biodiesel: approx .97 kg/liter (I'm not sure if 
this applies to unwashed though) Glycerol: approx 1.26 kg per liter (not 
sure if this applies to glycerol byproduct). You can always weigh some of 
your product and do the conversion from the results you find"


Biodiesel actually weight .87 kg/liter approximately, that was a typo. I 
think. if I understood 'density' correctly anyway




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Re: [biofuel] In the works: OFF Grid College and Retirement Community - biofuel advice needed

[Busyditch]

We really did not get too far, as we were unable to purchase the property
needed. Here is a good site to help you determine the best location.
http://www.homepower.com/files/windsiteanalysis.pdf
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Subject: Re: [biofuel] In the works: OFF Grid College and Retirement
Community - biofuel advice needed


> Love to ... the military chose the highest ground in the area for the
radar
> station. Also there is a 5 story  building on campus.  We get great winds
> and would love to see whatever you had in the way of plans.
>
> Thanks
>
> Phil Frankford
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> H 314/822-5115
> M 314/603-5922
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Busyditch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 5:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] In the works: OFF Grid College and Retirement
> Community - biofuel advice needed
>
>
> > Any plans on building windmill generators? It sounds like you have the
> ideal
> > spot, with such prevailing winds. Are there any hills near the coast to
> > erect the windmill towers. I was recently involved in planning a
community
> > such as yours in upstate NY, with the main source of revenue being wind
> > towers, but things sort of fell apart at the grant level.
> > busyditch
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Phil" <>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 4:05 PM
> > Subject: [biofuel] In the works: OFF Grid College and Retirement
> Community -
> > biofuel advice needed
> >
> >
> > > In the works:  OFF Grid College and Retirement Community
> > >
> > > A small group of families have gone together to purchase a
> decommissioned
> > > radar base on the thumb of MI. It is being converted into an off-grid
> > > college campus and retirement community that will teach all the
off-grid
> > > technologies, skilled trades, as well as the normal college level
> > academics.
> > >
> > > It has dorms, classrooms, dinning hall, gym, handball courts, tennis
> > courts,
> > > bowling alley, places for short-term RVs parking, and much more --- 20
> > > acres.  It is about 1 mile from some of the best beaches in Michigan.
> > >
> > > Port Ausin has about the cleanest air in the nation as it has
prevailing
> > > winds that blow across 400 miles of fresh water, Great Lake Huron.
> > >
> > > We are looking into biofuels for all our energy requirements.  We plan
> to
> > > grow all of our own certified organic foods.  Cross-pollination is not
> an
> > > issue because of the air currents.
> > >
> > > Again, we are looking at ways to provide all of our on energy needs,
> > > food/nutritional/health needs, and financial needs.
> > >
> > > I'm seeking industrial ways that we can generate the money and
resources
> > to
> > > see that all people want to come, have the means to come.
> > > We need everyone's' ideas, input, and efforts.
> > >
> > > We are seeking partners for all of the above.
> > >
> > > Partners can be involved in anyway that they want or can.
> > >
> > > Some people will visit and help for just a couple of weeks. Others may
> > > choose to become full time partners and live with us in off campus
> > housing.
> > > Others folks will only be able to bring themselves and serve.  All of
> > these
> > > people are counted as partners equally from those with pennies to the
> > > multi-millionaires.  Each will be given the same level of respect and
> > honor.
> > >
> > > Port Austin Sabbatarian Church Community
> > >  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Snail: PO Box 610;
> > > Port Austin, Michigan, USA 48467
> > > Tel: 517-738-7700
> > >
> > >  Planning to visit, please call
> > > Paul Drieman - Facilities Director - at 314/603-5923.
> > >  The best time to reach him is after 7pm EST.
> > >  He is charged with getting and keeping
> > >  everything physical going on campus.
> > >
> > >   Interested seniors should contact
> > > Terry Williams - SEAL Director -
> > >   734/657-8474  734/677-1789  708/747-8783
> > > He is charged with planning for the seniors.
> > >
> > >  Industry and resource director
> > >   me - Phil Frankford ...  314/822-5115  314/603-5922
> > >   I'm charged with developing ways to sustain the campus.
> > >   We are seeking ways for any person that wants to come
> > >   can come and have work to do to pay their own way.
> > >
> > > Let us know how we can serve you.
> > >
> > > Best regards-
> > >
> > > Phil Frankford
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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[biofuel] Testing for Soap In Unwashed Biodiesel and Glycerol

[girl mark]

Here is an article I just wrote for my zine, trying to make sense of the 
standard US lab method for testing for soap in oils ("I Am Not A Chemist").

  A couple of years ago a bunch of us were looking pretty hard at the 
Leonardo european vocational training website ( 
http://koal2.cop.fi/leonardo/ ) and this titration and other good testing 
info was on there- in German unfortunately. I'd love it if someone who 
speaks German could tell me the the difference between the methods.

  My objective was to write this up for homebrewers. If you can test 
batches of biodiesel conclusively for soap, you can then eliminate one of 
the two major factors when troubleshooting and doing quality 
control.  Yipp!!

I would like some feedback from chemists on whether I got the information 
correct, especially the conversions back and forth from weight to volume 
for unwashed biodiesel versus the number I listed (which is for commercial 
washed biodiesel), and the stock solution/ normality instructions. I want 
to thank Kalib Kersch for explaining the simple concept of normality to me 
and for writing me the formulas for converting from variable strength 
hardware store hydrochloric acid to something that the titration can use.

Please dont' reprint this until we hear if I got it correct or not...


Here it is:

Testing for Soap In Unwashed Biodiesel and Glycerol:

  The standard titration for soap in oil, unwashed biodiesel, or glycerol, 
uses hydrochloric acid solution as a reagent, bromophenol blue as an 
indicator (.4% in water), and acetone or isopropyl alcohol as a solvent. 
Bromophenol blue turns from blue to yellow at an acidic pH (4.5 if I recall 
correctly). This is the point at which all the soap in a sample has been 
neutralized by the hydrochloric acid.

Solvents that work for this are either acetone in water or isopropyl- which 
needs to be absolutely neutral. If it's acidic, you will need to add some 
of your old lye/water solution (which you'll have on hand from your free 
fatty acid titration) until it is neutralized. Do this in the presence of 
the bromophenol blue indicator, and add lye/water solution until it just 
barely turns yellow again.

Otherwise, use acetone and distilled water: make up a solvent of 980 ml of 
acetone and 20 ml of distilled water.

Procedure:
100 ml of the acetone/water solution or isopropyl
.5 ml of the bromophenol blue solution

Neutralize this by titrating to yellow using your lye/water solution that 
you have in your acid value (ie free fatty acid) titration equipment

Add 100 grams of the unwashed biodiesel or 10 grams of the melted glycerol 
that you are trying to determine the soap content of.

Titrate using .01N HCL solution until it reaches the yellow endpoint. This 
is the amount of .01N solution that is needed to neutralize all the soap in 
this sample.

Calculations:
soap in parts per million=
  (ml of .o1N HCL solution)/weight of sample*30.44

residual catalyst in parts per million=
(ml of .01N HCl)/weight of sample*561


You should also do a blank titration and subtract any HCl needed for the 
blank titration from the weight of the HCL needed for the actual soap test 
in your calculations.

To convert from the weight measurements above to volume measurements that 
we use,  use the following: Biodiesel: approx .97 kg/liter (I'm not sure if 
this applies to unwashed though) Glycerol: approx 1.26 kg per liter (not 
sure if this applies to glycerol byproduct). You can always weigh some of 
your product and do the conversion from the results you find

*

'sidebar:'


Using Hardware store 'Muriatic Acid' as your source of hydrochloric acid:

  'Muriatic acid' is HCL, sold in hardware stores for swimming pool 
maintenance and for concrete etching, about $3 a gallon. Muriatic acid 
varies slightly in strength. It is labeled on the bottle with the 
percentage concentration, usually somewhere around 30%.

Here's how to make a .01N concentration of this acid for the titration 
(assuming the label is correct and you've kept the bottle sealed):

1N- 1 mol HCL/liter (ie 1 mole of H+)
1 mol HCL is 36.5 grams

To make 1 liter of the .01N HCL solution that we need, we want to have .01 
moles of HCL in 1 liter of solution
.01 moles of HCL is .365 grams (.01mol/L) (1L)

Find the percentage concentration on the bottle (it'll be close to 30%).

We want to know how much volume in milliliters to use of this 
(approximately 30g per 100 ml) hardware store acid to make up .365 grams 
for our .01N solution.

The formula is for finding the number of milliliters is:

X [which is milliliters to use] = .365g  /  ( (percentage HCL in g) (100 ml))

Substitute the actual percentage from the bottle (ie 30.7 or 29.24 or 
whatever it says)

This will tell you a very tiny number, like 1.88 mililiters. You can do one 
of two things:

1.  Measure out the x of hydrochloric acid, and make up a solution of 1 
liter of distilled water and 

[biofuel] 100,000 miles on SVO?

[Neoteric Biofuels Inc]

Hi all,

I often get asked how many engines, specifically modern direct 
injection engines, I know of, that have gone more than the magic number 
(for some reason) of 100,000 miles (yes, miles, not kilometers, 
please...so, let's say over 160,000 km)

I know I could spend hours scouring the databases, such as they exist, 
translating from German sites, etc. etc...but if anyone needs a good 
research project for academic work, this is one!!

Or, if you just want to send me notice of examples of such that you are 
aware of, please do!

Please exclude old Mercedes.I know there are lots of those that 
have gone that far...I am looking for TDI's, modern trucks, equivalent 
hours on gensets or tractors (let's see...1600 hours at 100 km/hok, 
let's say over 1600 hours),  etc.

I'll compile these as they come in, unless someone out there can set up 
a self-admin database for us, which would be a heck of a lot easier, 
and more accessible for all

The SVO 100,000 Mile Club Database.anyone up for doing that?

We can host it on our server space if need be, I think.

Spread the word? Help get it going?

Thank you!

Edward Beggs




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Re: [biofuel] EPA to Finalize Diesel Pollution Rules Tuesday

[Andrew Lowe]

murdoch wrote:

> Yes, I wondered the same thing.  I think the question of how much NOx might 
> come
> from biodiesel is somewhat complex, depending on the fuel and the engine?
> 
> On the rest of the emissions issues, I think it is not disputed that Biodiesel
> would be a help.
> 
> The 2007 sulfur-reduction date is a disappointment I think.  
> 
> On Mon, 10 May 2004 21:48:26 -0400, you wrote:
> 
> 
>>I wonder if this will have any effect on the sale and use of biodiesel 
>>in the US, since its nitrous oxide levels are higher than petro diesel? 
>>The article seems to stress that the reduction in nitrous oxide levels 
>>are their focus.
>>
>>Chris
[snip]

Does my memory serve me correctly in that one of the "advertised 
benefits" of biodiesel is that it contains no sulphur hence diesels can 
be fitted with catalytic converters? The reason they aren't already is 
that the sulphur poisons the converter. If this is the case then won't 
the new requirements actually be good for biodiesel, assuming the engine 
companies do fit the catalytic converters?

Regards,
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Re: [biofuel] Re: smartcar

[desertstallion]

Hi MM,

There are at least a couple of levels to this in Europe. One level is of 
smaller cars. I believe the VW Lupo and the Polo fit here. They are both 
smaller than a Golf/Jetta-Bora/New Beetle, but easily reach highway speeds. 
They can go long distances, albeit one would want to stop and stretch 
frequently. Then, recently I have been seeing more of the three and four wheel 
vehicles which are totally enclosed against the weather and are classed as 
motorcycles. Their classification depends upon the maximum engine displacement, 
which I believe is 50 cc. They don't reach highway speeds and are frequently 
seen tooling along the shoulder of the road being passed by the larger 
vehicles. They are great for city use as they go fast enough for city traffic, 
are much much easier to park, and are relatively inexpensive.

I can still remember something of a 'duh moment' a bit after I first went to 
Europe and I first realixed that the VW Beetle that I considered to be a small 
car, was a large car by the European standards of the time. Still today, one 
sees plenty of the smaller VW Polos and similar sized cars. Clearly there are 
larger vehicles, which are basically the same as the imported European cars 
seen in the US market, but the percentage has to be fairly low. The vast 
majority of the vehicles would appear to be VW Golf sized.

Part of this is the different transportation model seen in Europe when I first 
went there. Cars were mostly used for transportation locally, and often only 
when the city bus wasn't available or convenient. Many people didn't have a 
car. Any travel between cities was by bus or train. I think Europe has moved 
slightly away from this model as cars have become more popular, more divided 
highways have been built, and long distance car travel has become more accepted.

Derek


> Thanks for the info.  If true, this would fill in a gap.  I've heard from
> several builders of proposed "city" type cars, or smaller cars that were at
> highway speeds or maybe only went to city speeds, that some sort of problem 
> like
> this with DOT regs is the factor in preventing them from reasonable access to
> U.S. markets.  The REVA people, when I spoke to them, were already on the road
> with hundreds of cars in India and maybe one or two other places, and were 
> keen
> to come to the US, if not for this type of problem with DOT regs.  The car was
> designed here but had to be made and sold elsewhere.
> 
> Funny, but I've never heard anyone go over this issue outside of these
> discussion groups and outside of industry people.  I don't think I've ever 
> seen
> a news article on it.
> 
> About the Honda you mention: I never knew about that tiny little Honda until I
> saw an ad for their resurrection of the small little convertible idea and they
> had some history of the matter as to the first car they brought here.
> 
> MM
> 
> On Mon, 10 May 2004 08:36:43 +, you wrote:
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >Back in the mid-70s Honda began importing into the US market their first 
> >car. 
> Earlier they had just imported motocycles. A friend of mine had one and he 
> loved 
> it. Unfortunately, after a couple of years that model was discontinued and 
> Honda 
> only imported larger vehicles. I was told that the DOT regulations were 
> changed 
> to require cars to have a longer wheel base than that early Honda. At the 
> time, 
> I thought it was for safety reasons. Now, I wonder if there wasn't some other 
> reason why those regulations were put into place. Anyway, when I lived in 
> Europe 
> in the 80s, I often saw neat small city cars, like the Fiat 500 and the 
> original 
> Mini. Again, I was told they weren't exported to the US market because they 
> were 
> too small to meet regulations. So...my take on why the VW Lupo and the MB 
> Smart 
> Car aren't in the US market is based on these DOT regulations, not on some 
> sort 
> of problem with the engine. And, that is why they are considering an upsized 
> model of the Smart Car in 2006 for the
> >US market. If we want to see these small fuel efficient models in the US 
> market, even just for city/town use, something needs to be done about the DOT 
> regulations which require a minimum wheel base.
> >
> >Derek
> >
> >
> >> I wonder, will Smart make the little SUV (Smart Urban Vehicle?) weigh in at
> >> 6,000 lbs to qualify for the tax write-off?  ;)
> >> 
> >> Ryan
> >>   -Original Message-
> >>   From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>   Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 7:38 AM
> >>   To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> >>   Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: smartcar
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>   RE: name...Maybe SUV "Sport Utlity Vehicle" is a name that needs
> >>   reclamation anyway...the ones out there now are neither sporty nor
> >>   utilitarian.
> >> 
> >>   Edward Beggs
> >> 
> >> 
> >>   On Thursday, May 6, 2004, at 07:51 PM, Brian wrote:
> >> 
> >>   > "Smart" does have plans to start marketing in the US in 2006.  They
> >>   > are d

Re: [biofuel] EPA to Finalize Diesel Pollution Rules Tuesday

[murdoch]

Yes, I wondered the same thing.  I think the question of how much NOx might come
from biodiesel is somewhat complex, depending on the fuel and the engine?

On the rest of the emissions issues, I think it is not disputed that Biodiesel
would be a help.

The 2007 sulfur-reduction date is a disappointment I think.  

On Mon, 10 May 2004 21:48:26 -0400, you wrote:

>I wonder if this will have any effect on the sale and use of biodiesel 
>in the US, since its nitrous oxide levels are higher than petro diesel? 
>The article seems to stress that the reduction in nitrous oxide levels 
>are their focus.
>
>Chris
>
>
>murdoch wrote:
>
>>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=585&e=1&u=/nm/20040510/sc_nm/environment_diesel_dc
>>
>>Fuel refiners will be required to produce diesel fuel by 2012 that is 99 
>>percent free of smog-causing nitrogen oxides under the new rules, which the 
>>EPA proposed a year ago. 
>>  
>>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [biofuel] EPA to Finalize Diesel Pollution Rules Tuesday

I wonder if this will have any effect on the sale and use of biodiesel 
in the US, since its nitrous oxide levels are higher than petro diesel? 
The article seems to stress that the reduction in nitrous oxide levels 
are their focus.

Chris


murdoch wrote:

>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=585&e=1&u=/nm/20040510/sc_nm/environment_diesel_dc
>
>Fuel refiners will be required to produce diesel fuel by 2012 that is 99 
>percent free of smog-causing nitrogen oxides under the new rules, which the 
>EPA proposed a year ago. 
>  
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[biofuel] Re: [Appropriate Community] Catastrophe has hit!

[murdoch]

On Mon, 10 May 2004 16:21:23 -, you wrote:

>Steve and Linda need help, please see http://www.green-trust.org for 
>particulars.

When you move into a new house, there are a lot of immediate challenges.
Although you have a lot of those cool technologies already installed, I'm sure
there will be a lot of 1st and 2nd year "to-dos" on your list, some having to do
with sustainable technologies, and others of a more mundane nature.  Maybe a way
to kill two birds with one stone would be to offer a seminar or two this summer.
I'm guessing that you have some practical hands-on knowledge of those
technologies that others might benefit from.  

For a fee to each person, you could offer them a bed or sofa to sleep on for a
week or two, and they could come for that time and help with fixing and
improving the sustainable technologies, learn more about them, etc.  Sort of the
way Mark gives biodiesel classes, but more extended.

I am partial to that part of the country, being from Albany, and so although I
guess it could get hot and humid in the summer, I can think of worse things to
try to market to an outgoing person than spending a week or two in far upstate
NY, roughing it a bit, but learning a whole bunch about making fuel and fixing a
home's sustainable technology devices, and maybe having an unforgettable summer
vacation/learning experience.  There are also some summer camps up there and the
kids could probably benefit from a day field-trip to a 5 acre spread chock-full
of such experiences.

Well, just a sort of brainstorming idea for you.  Unfortunately, I have to admit
it looks like you would have no time for such a project, since you'll be looking
for work, unless there was so much response that you could turn to it with
confidence as your new full-time profitable work.  And until your wife feels
better, then maybe that would take her out of the picture to an extent as far as
helping run any profitable seminars or classes.


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[biofuel] EPA to Finalize Diesel Pollution Rules Tuesday

[murdoch]

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By Chris Baltimore 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration will finalize rules on Tuesday to
cut air pollution from tractors, bulldozers and other off-road diesel vehicles
by over 90 percent, the Environmental Protection Agency (news - web sites) said
on Monday. 


Fuel refiners will be required to produce diesel fuel by 2012 that is 99 percent
free of smog-causing nitrogen oxides under the new rules, which the EPA proposed
a year ago. 


Also, Cummins Inc., Caterpillar Inc. and others will have to sell engines
starting in 2008 that strip out more harmful particles in emissions linked to
asthma and other serious respiratory ailments. 


EPA Administrator Mike Leavitt briefed President Bush (news - web sites) on the
rules on Monday and said the agency will finalize the rules on Tuesday. 


Leavitt likened the rules to the government's decision in the 1970s to remove
lead from gasoline. "This is a big deal," Leavitt told reporters at the White
House. "This kind of thing only happens once or twice every 25 years." 

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Re: [biofuel] In the works: OFF Grid College and Retirement Community - biofuel advice needed

[murdoch]

On Sun, 9 May 2004 15:05:24 -0500, you wrote:

>In the works:  OFF Grid College and Retirement Community
>
>A small group of families have gone together to purchase a decommissioned
>radar base on the thumb of MI. It is being converted into an off-grid
>college campus and retirement community that will teach all the off-grid
>technologies, skilled trades, as well as the normal college level academics.
>
>It has dorms, classrooms, dinning hall, gym, handball courts, tennis courts,
>bowling alley, places for short-term RVs parking, and much more --- 20
>acres.  It is about 1 mile from some of the best beaches in Michigan.
>
>Port Ausin has about the cleanest air in the nation as it has prevailing
>winds that blow across 400 miles of fresh water, Great Lake Huron.
>
>We are looking into biofuels for all our energy requirements.  We plan to
>grow all of our own certified organic foods.  Cross-pollination is not an
>issue because of the air currents.

With all this talk of wind, I can't help but suggest asking the local experts if
installation of a small amount of wind generation might be appropriate.  Dunno
how it would affect the agricultural issues.  When I went to consult with
someone recently about putting in some solar or wind, one interesting thing that
seemed to come up was that the load leveling required for wind seemed to point
toward the off-grid sort of approach, which mandated a different inverter and
additional expense for batteries, while I ultimately opted for the
grid-connected approach with the solar I got.

>
>Again, we are looking at ways to provide all of our on energy needs,
>food/nutritional/health needs, and financial needs.
>
>I'm seeking industrial ways that we can generate the money and resources to
>see that all people want to come, have the means to come.
>We need everyone's' ideas, input, and efforts.

A friend of mine once had an idea that retirement homes and-or nursing homes
would be a place to have an operation to care for animals, either a pet hotel
sort of thing, or perhaps something different, because there is some "symbiosis"
in the goals.  Some old folks, for example, might respond well to the tasks of
caring for a dog or some such, if and as they might need some companionship
and-or challenges to keep their days fuller.  It might make the community more
attractive to some potential inhabitants if they know they might have some
future potential activities along those lines.  'Course many will be able to
come up with negatives to this, such as the health of seniors as it might be
affected with having a lot of animals around.  I am for consideration of the
idea that it could be done.

MM



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