Re: [biofuel] Lung ingestion from depleted uranium
When a DU shell hits its target, it burns, losing anywhere from 40 percent to 70 percent of its mass and dispersing a fine toxic radioactive dust that can be carried long distances by winds or absorbed into the soil and groundwater My question is why don't we just call DU for what it is: A radioactive dirty bomb. Didn't someone get arrested for doing one of those?? Hmm Curtis Nothing says I love you like a bouquet of flowers! http://www.flowerson55.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The fact that depleted uranium is absorbed in soil and groundwater... I have not heard this source of radioactive contamination. However, it is, in the accompanying article, as if don't worry about it unless you ingest it from eating and drinking. The article follows: More quietly, American soldiers also are beginning to suffer injuries from a silent and pernicious weapon material of U.S. origin-depleted uranium (DU). When a DU shell hits its target, it burns, losing anywhere from 40 percent to 70 percent of its mass and dispersing a fine toxic radioactive dust that can be carried long distances by winds or absorbed into the soil and groundwater. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Lung ingestion from depleted uranium
Or (speaking on Iraq at the time) ... any time a country goes after producing and using such devices . it's time for regime change!! Americans cheering in the background H. Curtis Nothing says I love you like a bouquet of flowers! http://www.flowerson55.com - Original Message - From: jgnat1488 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aint it nice that the UN lists DU as a weapon of mass destruction? Why do we (the us) use the same class of weapons that we are supposed to be going after? I love this country but can't stand governmental BS! end of rant Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re[2]: [biofuel] plastic tank... Stainless?
Yeah, and I think they are plumbed with a prop to turn the milk and and tubing that carries freon keeping the milk cool. It seems ideally suited for biofuel. I wonder if anyone has done it. A friend of mine has one so I plan on taking a closer look. He got his for 100 dollars from a major milk producer. Jer - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Hakan Falk biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 10:33 AM Subject: Re[2]: [biofuel] plastic tank... Stainless? Hallo Folks, I don't know if anyone has thought of this but I live in a farming area of the US and used stainless steel bulk milk tanks (complete with mixing units) can be had used at a reasonable cost and they drain completely. Happy Happy, Gustl Saturday, 22 May, 2004, 16:55:45, you wrote: HF Heidi, HF Your budget does not have to go, it has been suggested several times on the HF list to search for scrapped warm water heater. Many of them are actually of HF stainless steel. HF Hakan HF At 17:55 22/05/2004, you wrote: plastic tanks, start to soften already at 60 degree Celsius and they will not hold at boiling point. If you get composite tanks that will take around 100 degree Celsius, they are at least 3 times more expensive than the common ones. Thank you Hakan. This was very illuminating and was some information I now realize I was after, but didn't know how to ask for. (The mechanical-denseness showing up again.) To me it make a lot of sense to try to use tanks of steel and ideally stainless steel. Yes, this data really does clarify that the poly can't handle the heat of Alex's protocol so SS is the way to go. After all, if one has to spend three times more for composite tanks, one might as well get stainless. (smiling ruefully) There goes the budget... but I won't be degreasing the garden, so that's good! Thanks to all who pitched in with their excellent knowledge about the properties and limitations of poly with heated contents (and even sunlight!) I was hoping the limitations would be otherwise, but greatly appreciate everyone's assistance in getting the data needed to make a viable decision. In a past post, someone posted that exllc.com has 'surplus' SS tanks from time to time. Are they honorable people to deal with? HeidiWD -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] WARNING: Conical Bottom Tank Fittings...
A couple of additional points: You can get a complete draining bulkhead fitting from various suppliers, such as Dultmeier Sales, www.dultmier.com for as low as $18. These do not keep a flat bottom tank from essentially completely draining. Also, standard bulkhead fitting use EPDM gaskets, possibly neoprene, and both of these dissolve in biodiesel. Use a viton equivalent gasket, available at better plumbing supply houses everywhere. Tom Leue In a message dated 5/22/04 9:46:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If anyone feels the need to work with plastic, conical-bottomed tanks, please be advised that the government issue bulkhead fittings that come with these tanks create a small dam that prevents complete drainage. If you are buying this style tank for the purpose of complete drainage, you will need to special order the tank with a spun weld drain. This is a threaded nipple that is spun weld into the bottom of tank at the factory and runs flush with the inside, eliminating the dam effect of a standard bulkhead fitting. Generally this fitting option runs $40 - $60 extra, presuming the distributor is able to meet your request. Snyder Tank has no problem accepting custom orders. Catalogue companies such as US Plastic, et al,Ê may have some difficulty in accommodating such need. Todd Swearingen - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Lung ingestion from depleted uranium
Aint it nice that the UN lists DU as a weapon of mass destruction? Why do we (the us) use the same class of weapons that we are supposed to be going after? I love this country but can't stand governmental BS! end of rant --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fact that depleted uranium is absorbed in soil and groundwater is not so significant as those submicron particles absorbed in lung tissue, which remain in the aviola portion of the lung. I have not heard this source of radioactive contamination, and the resulting hazard, mentioned with the DU hazard. But I question why this would not be the the most significant hazard since the submicron particles get in the lower lung, stay there, and continuously emit alpha and beta particles which penetrate the soft tissue and are highly damaging. However, it is, in the accompanying article, as if don't worry about it unless you ingest it from eating and drinking. Lung ingestion was the hazard I was most concerned with years ago at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory when as a chemical engineer I developed a chemical process involving thorium, and having a sub-micron by product of thorium oxide particles. Imagine this much sub-micron uranium oxide materal, as below, floating around in the environment, doing damage not only to the lung tissues of soldiers but to the general Iraqi population. Makes you wonder if this hazard was ever assessed as a health physics problem. It is the immediate effects of radioactive contamination which appear to be described in the article below. The long term effects, which I was concerned about from lung ingestion while working with sub micron particles of thorium dioxide some 40 years ago, were carcinogenic, where cancer develops, say, 20 years after ingestion. That question needs to be asked about these DU sub micron particles. As I recollect, in that the Dept of Energy possess the necessary health physics capabilities to provide the answers. Glenn Ellis The article follows: It's a year into the occupation and U.S. troops are being killed at a rate of more than four a day. These deaths from roadside bombs, suicide attackers, anti-U.S. militia and mobs of angry civilians make headlines. More quietly, American soldiers also are beginning to suffer injuries from a silent and pernicious weapon material of U.S. origin-depleted uranium (DU). DU weaponry is fired by U.S. troops from the Abrams battle tank, A-10 Warthog and other systems. It is pyrophoric, burning spontaneously on impact, and extremely dense, making DU munitions ideal for penetrating anenemy's tank armor or reinforced bunker. It also is the toxic and radioactive byproduct of enriched uranium, the fissile material in nuclear weapons. When a DU shell hits its target, it burns, losing anywhere from 40 percent to 70 percent of its mass and dispersing a fine toxic radioactive dust that can be carried long distances by winds or absorbed into the soil and groundwater. The U.S. Army and Air Force have fired 127 tons of DU munitions in Iraq in the last year, says Michael Kilpatrick, the Pentagon's director of the Deployment Health Support Directorate. At the beginning of April-the deadliest month of the war and occupation so far-a New York Daily News investigation found that four National Guardsmen have been contaminated by radioactive dust. The men were part of the 442nd Military Police Company based in Orangeburg, New York, which went to Iraq last summer to guard convoys andprisons and train the new Iraqi police. While the whole company is due back in the United States by the end of April, a number of soldiers were sent home early, suffering from persistent headaches and fatigue, nausea and dizziness, joint pain and excessive urination. They sought medical attention and testing from the Army but were ignored. Nine of the returned soldiers, frustrated with this treatment, sought independent testing and examination from a uranium expert contracted by the New York Daily News. The independent expert's tests showed four of the soldiers had high levels of depleted uranium in their systems. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] = Jason Gnatowsky They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups
[biofuel] You ought to write a book.
Hey Keith, After lurking and occationally posting on this list, I gotta agree with you guys about Fryer to the Fuel Tank. I use it mostly these days for doing test batches. But, considering the wealth of info you and Todd Swearington and Girlmark have, you ought to collectively write something that would at least give Fryer to the Fuel Tank a run for its money. 'specially considering your background in journalism. And it would be a great way to help support the work you guy are doing at JTF. What say we all? :o) Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Lung ingestion from depleted uranium
http://www.antenna.nl/wise/uranium/rup.html With a half life of 10^9 years it seems ionizing radiation is not the toxic mechanism for U238. I think uranium is one of those metals that is extremely toxic to certain tissue, ie renal cells, and exhibits toxity on a par with mercury. As for lung particles alpha are far worse, biologically approx 10^2 due to hot particle phenomena -- the penetration is poor so the statistical odds of multiple hits is increased. As for the pyrophoric reaction most of it could be eliminated by using aluminum armor instead of steel. The real solution would be the ban of DU for any use. Tungsten could be used instead. I would like to know what effect U238 is having in New York. Those 2 jets had several thousand pounds of it incorporated into control surfaces (counterweights). Kirk --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fact that depleted uranium is absorbed in soil and groundwater is not so significant as those submicron particles absorbed in lung tissue, which remain in the aviola portion of the lung. I have not heard this source of radioactive contamination, and the resulting hazard, mentioned with the DU hazard. But I question why this would not be the the most significant hazard since the submicron particles get in the lower lung, stay there, and continuously emit alpha and beta particles which penetrate the soft tissue and are highly damaging. However, it is, in the accompanying article, as if don't worry about it unless you ingest it from eating and drinking. Lung ingestion was the hazard I was most concerned with years ago at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory when as a chemical engineer I developed a chemical process involving thorium, and having a sub-micron by product of thorium oxide particles. Imagine this much sub-micron uranium oxide materal, as below, floating around in the environment, doing damage not only to the lung tissues of soldiers but to the general Iraqi population. Makes you wonder if this hazard was ever assessed as a health physics problem. It is the immediate effects of radioactive contamination which appear to be described in the article below. The long term effects, which I was concerned about from lung ingestion while working with sub micron particles of thorium dioxide some 40 years ago, were carcinogenic, where cancer develops, say, 20 years after ingestion. That question needs to be asked about these DU sub micron particles. As I recollect, in that the Dept of Energy possess the necessary health physics capabilities to provide the answers. Glenn Ellis The article follows: It's a year into the occupation and U.S. troops are being killed at a rate of more than four a day. These deaths from roadside bombs, suicide attackers, anti-U.S. militia and mobs of angry civilians make headlines. More quietly, American soldiers also are beginning to suffer injuries from a silent and pernicious weapon material of U.S. origin-depleted uranium (DU). DU weaponry is fired by U.S. troops from the Abrams battle tank, A- 10 Warthog and other systems. It is pyrophoric, burning spontaneously on impact, and extremely dense, making DU munitions ideal for penetrating anenemy's tank armor or reinforced bunker. It also is the toxic and radioactive byproduct of enriched uranium, the fissile material in nuclear weapons. When a DU shell hits its target, it burns, losing anywhere from 40 percent to 70 percent of its mass and dispersing a fine toxic radioactive dust that can be carried long distances by winds or absorbed into the soil and groundwater. The U.S. Army and Air Force have fired 127 tons of DU munitions in Iraq in the last year, says Michael Kilpatrick, the Pentagon's director of the Deployment Health Support Directorate. At the beginning of April-the deadliest month of the war and occupation so far-a New York Daily News investigation found that four National Guardsmen have been contaminated by radioactive dust. The men were part of the 442nd Military Police Company based in Orangeburg, New York, which went to Iraq last summer to guard convoys andprisons and train the new Iraqi police. While the whole company is due back in the United States by the end of April, a number of soldiers were sent home early, suffering from persistent headaches and fatigue, nausea and dizziness, joint pain and excessive urination. They sought medical attention and testing from the Army but were ignored. Nine of the returned soldiers, frustrated with this treatment, sought independent testing and examination from a uranium expert contracted by the New York Daily News. The independent expert's tests showed four of the soldiers had high levels of depleted uranium in their systems. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[biofuel] Plastic Cones _Maude
Great minds think alike (and fools seldom differ...). I am in the process right now of building just such an enclosed housing for my processor and wash tank. I am going with Girl Mark's Fumeless Processor design utilising a water heater as a processor (Giant has a stubby that holds 110 liters and is only 36inches high) so it fits right in with a 45gal drum (Imperial) having the exact same diameter (25 inhes), sooo, on the one side I am placing the processor and then some shelves in the middle and the wash tank on the other side. The entire cabinet is 3ft wide, 6ft high and 6 ft long. I have a fold out short table that folds up against the far wall where the handles are for moving the unit around on it's casters. Illumination is done via a three light string sold for kitchen decor. Inside the processor and wash tank are elevated allowing enough space to house several 22 liter pails underneath. The elevation also allows for the plumbing from the wash tank to be drilled through the floor and directed to a filter before being stored. I live in a second floor apartment and the unit sits next to the Benz in a heated garage near the electrical outlet and not far from the garden hose attachment. It is almost finished (doing this one paycheck at a time)and will then be painted flat grey to match the cinder block garage walls. The processing will done done nocturnally to afford maximum privacy, the bubbler will be on a timer and the only thing that will protrude is the electrical cord which will run along the floor. One of the central shelves is for the methoxide container and will be high enough to gravity feed it to the pump. The other shelves will hold things like a small hotplate, some titration tools ect... The actual chems will be stored in a locker area that is cool and dark 99% of the time. I will only store very small amounts under the platform the processor and wash tank are sitting on, next to the 22 liter pails. The entire system, including lights is run off a junction box complete with breaker on/off switches, twist-lock connectors for the processor, pump and preheat tank (the preheat tank will be working off the fold out table and feed directly to the pump, the preheat has a 110V immersion heater attached and a drain at the bottom welded to it.),a regular plug-in type electrical outlet (for the hotplate/bubbler/lights) and an emergency mushroon type kill switch just in case. For all intents and purposes it appears like a work station that you would do odd jobs on/with. The flat grey is not very eye catching (the point). Yes, I am taking pictures as I go, and should have the whole thing functional in a few weeks to a month (paycheck to paycheck, ha!) Maybe if Keith wants another example processor for the list I could be encouraged (just ask)to submit all of this again with pics once it is finished. This is a first time event for me in many ways. I have NEVER built a cabinet before. I have NEVER gotten in to any kind of chemistry before. I have NEVER had to design anything from scratch before either. I am sure that someone with actual talent at building stuff could make a much prettier finished product, but it will functional; and discreet. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Time and Interests (was re: weird gummy stuff)
Keith, I understand your frustration. Not on the biofuels beat, but I am getting more e-mail than I can keep up with on the subject of Electric Vehicles (yup, gas prices have jumped again), and the hydrogen economy (yup, there are elections coming this year in Canada and the U.S. - newsflash - Canada's has just been called for June 28) and some other topics on which I am known to hold forth. Hopefully my current wave of frustration will diminish. However, it is taking me longer and longer to respond to the incessant arrival of e-mails, looking for nothing more than I have already put in the public domain on my website. It certainly helped some to get outside today and make a serious start on planting the garden. The transplanted plants look to have taken well. Today and tomorrow are for things being started from seed. Been driven in now by darkness, rain and mosquitoes. Now, back to responding to e-mail. Next one is a fellow who thinks that GMO- enhanced ethanol production to be reformed to produce hydrogen is the silver bullet to all our energy concerns. On the positive side, Bill Kemp e-mailed me yesterday to tell me his book, The Renewable Energy Handbook for Homeowners has now made the Canadian non-fiction Bestsellers list - unheard of for a niche market subject like this. Hmmm, maybe I should write a book - The Hydrogen Economy for Dummies. Then instead of providing the same answers over and over again for free, I could just sell them a copy. Much more authoritative that way. But then, who would want to read about the reality? Its the delusion that provides all the fun. It speaks poorly for the reality we have created that we (as a society) always seem so eager to escape it. Biofuels will definitely figure in the final chapter - Solutions That Actually Make Sense. Keith, spend your time on what you think is important. None of us are obligated to give our time where we feel it is poorly spent. I can only hope this list remains on the positive side of your personal ledger - I know I have benefitted greatly from the contributions of many here, and immodestly hope that others have found some of my contributions to be of value as well. Darryl McMahon Keith wrote: I wonder why you're being so defensive? Insulting? Well, if you insist on being insulted I guess there's no help for it. But believe me, Noam, if I'd set out to insult you I wouldn't have left it in any doubt whatsoever. As it is, I doubt anyone can see any insults other than you. This was certainly not my first attempt. I have made many test batches, and we made test batches in my class the previous week. And yes this was our first attempt making a 5 gallon batch. When I mixed the methoxide before we did it in blenders, before adding our oil. Yes, we used grease from restaurants- used oil. I personally don't consider virgin oil to be grease. There are people here from more than a hundred countries, and I believe your country is the only one, or at least one of the very few, where they refer to oil as grease. If you're going to take offence if someone asks for clarity to help answer your questions then you mustn't expect much further patience from them, or from anybody. Your first message did not specify what oil you used. It didn't specify much at all. The problem I was having was how to mix larger quantities of methoxide. Not all of us can have a completely closed system immediately. Any of us can very easily acquire an HDPE carboy. We can do our best with what we have and what we can afford. That doesn't make us any less important. If me and the other list member who responded to you considered it unimportant we probably wouldn't have bothered, no? It seems to me that this community could use a bit more respect of those that have less experience. I'll tell you something. With our VERY demanding project, Journey to Forever, we have only a marginal interest in whether one more or less American or citizen of any other industrialised country makes biodiesel or not. We also have little interest in whether or not such folks join the Biofuel list, stay and prosper, or leave in high dudgeon, or whether they visit our website or not, we already get far more visits than we can easily handle. Our focus is on sustainable fuel and energy for 3rd World rural communities, and even then only as a part of an overall Appropriate Technology approach. What happens in the industrialised countries is of little interest to us. Yet I spend an inordinate amount of time that I DON'T have to spare helping industrial-nation newbies learn how to make high-quality fuel reliably. Including you. I don't need to be told to have more respect. Others here are in a similar situation. They spend a lot of time that they also don't have to spare helping newcomers to learn. They also don't need to be told to have more
[biofuel] Hello
Hello all, I'm in San Dimas, which is at the east end of L.A. County and I'm interested in meeting with others who are thinking about or already brewing their own Biodiesel. The Co-Op idea sounds interesting and I'm game for further discussion, I like the idea of meeting in a coffee shop at a central location, close to a freeway. Next weekend, Memorial Day weekend may be difficult for some and the following weekend I'll be out of town, but I'm open afterwards. I'm in the process of gathering all the tools and material together to make my first batch of Biodiesel from WVO, anyone know of a place where I can get an eye dropper graduated in tenths of a milli-liter? or a single gallon of Methanol? or any of the other exotic sounding materials that I'll need? Tony J. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re[2]: [biofuel] plastic tank... Stainless?
(milk tank) He got his for 100 dollars from a major milk producer. Any idea how many gallons (or how big space-wise) these milk storage tanks are? I have visions of enormous 3,000 gallon beauties... ...although for a hundred dollar SS tank in a reasonable size, I'd drive my biodiesel Betsy-truck across several states, pick it up personally and bring the nice dairy farmer some brownies to boot! Um, exactly how big are they? HeidiWD To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but also treasonable to the American public. - Theodore Roosevelt, 1918 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Solwest Renewable Energy Fair / SVO meet - John Day, Oregon, USA
SOLWEST RENEWABLE ENERGY FAIR HOSTS VEGETABLE OIL VEHICLE MEET SolWest Renewable Energy Fair, July 23, 24 and 25 in John Day, Oregon, will host a meet of SVO (straight vegetable oil-fueled) vehicles. Owners from around the Western US and Canada will compare notes on how systems are built, components and durability, type and pre-treatment of fuel oil. Cars will display data such as how many miles or months on vegoil and the type of vehicle/engine converted. Discussions will include pros and cons of various systems on the market and homebuilt systems, best practices, and next steps. A demonstration with a cold press will show how to make new oil on the farm by pressing seed into oil, and presscake pellets. The presscake pellets co-product can be used as organic fertilizer, or as a replacement for methyl bromide pesticide (if made from mustard seed), animal feed (if made from canola or sunflower), or solid fuel for pellet stoves. The meet will generate lots of tech talk, emissions talk, and energy politics. Anyone who brings an alternatively-fueled vehicle to SolWest Fair will get a weekend pass for the price of a day pass. SolWest keynote speaker John Perlin is the author of A Golden Thread: 2500 Years of Solar Architecture and Technology with Ken Butti. His most recent book, From Space to Earth: The Story of Solar Electricity is a must read for anyone interested in the subject of clean energy (Home Power Magazine). As a modern Renaissance Man, with an interest in everything, John brings a historical perspective to todays energy dilemmas. John will speak at 12:30 P.M. Saturday July 24 in the Sale Barn at the Grant County Fairgrounds. SolWest 2004 is one of only a few locations in the US to host the Bell Cell golden anniversary exhibit, created by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL), in consultation with solar expert John Perlin. On April 25, 1954, Bell Labs announced that three of its scientists (including two educated in Oregon) had invented the silicon solar cell. This is the solar cell that first made space travel possible, then created electricity for remote homes, and now is being used by utility customers for distributed generation on the power grid. SolWest Renewable Energy Fair is the most comprehensive such event in the northwest. Experts from all over the western US will offer fifty workshops for all ages and levels of expertise on renewable energy and sustainable living topics (free with fair admission). Some of the workshops scheduled for this year include Photovoltaics for the Technically Challenged, Solar Water Pumping, Fundamentals of Hydroelectric Power, Bio-fuels, Passive Solar Design, Green Remodeling, Solar Hot Water, Pizza Box Ovens For Kids, and The ABC's of grid-connected solar systems. Special guest Carla Emery will speak on the History and Principles of the Modern Homesteading Movement during the free fair entry period from 5-7PM on Friday July 23rd. About two thousand people visit SolWest each year to learn about and purchase complete solar power systems and components, solar hot water systems, solar pumps and wind-driven pumps, pump controls, hydro systems suitable for the smallest springs to large streams, solar roofing and home plans, home-scale wind generators, efficient lighting and appliances, books and magazines, biodiesel processors and fuels, and much more. Activities during the weekend include Electrathon mini-electric car racing, and a Silent Auction of renewable energy hardware and other donated goods. Childcare and childrens workshops will be offered. Radio SolWest will be broadcasting from the fairgrounds on solar power. Camping is available, and volunteers get in and camp free. Extended learning opportunities at this years SolWest Fair include a pre-fair solar hot water installation workshop instructed by Doug Railton and John McIntosh of Cascade Sun Works. The SolWest Fair program is posted on the web at www.solwest.org, or a paper copy can be requested at: SolWest/EORenew, PO Box 485, Canyon City OR 97820. 541-575-3633 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.solwest.org for further information. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] great history channel spot on the tzero
The show is From Tactical To Practical. This particular show, they were examining all sorts of hybrids and alt-fuel vehicles. After the Prius-Insight hybrid segment, they did a segment on the tzero, where they had it do a 1/4 mile drag against a 500 hp Dodge Viper. The tzero won. At the end, the Viper was catching up a bit, but it was not able to overcome the tzero's advantages in low-end torque that manifested themselves at the line. Then there was a segment on a diesel-electric hybrid military vehicle and then a diesel-electric 2004 Dodge pickup (Is such a thing actually available to consumers, or was this just Daimler-Chrysler vaporware, or more military-only who-cares-about-consumers-ware?) The military hybrid (Hybrid Humvee?) was said to use Lithium-type batteries. Cool. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EPA to Finalize Diesel Pollution Rules Tuesday
Thankyou Balaji, glad you got a response, and I'm pleased to have this update. I'll definitely be writing to Don Woodward soon. Best wishes Keith --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, balaji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Keith, Quotes enclose e-mail exchange with Mr, Don Woodward of RxP. Seems some more tests with biodiesel may be needed before the claims on NOx reduction are accepted. Anybody out there having experience with RxP/any other NOx reduction additive/strategies, please revert. Regards. balaji. Good Morning Yes, we still manufacturer RxP. Our company is growing rapidly and we are interested in expanding into biodiesel. Supreme Oil of Arizona did not sign our distributor agreement and our contact there, Chris Sellers, left their company. Chris was injured in an accident last year and is just now ready to come back to work. More than likely we will work through him rather than the company he used to work for here in the U.S. We do have an associate here in Florida that is from India and has made contact with some of your government agencies about using RxP in various fuels. I don't think he has talked to anyone about our biodiesel additive. We also had discussions last year with a company in India that wanted RxP as an additive in power generating turbines. We never did get together on price. The only real scientific test we have was the test run for St. Mary Hospital in California http://www.rxp.com/St._Mary_Test.2.htm As far as testimonials go we can put you in contact with Richard Hiatt (who is not working on a B2 blend for the Indian Reservations out west) and Chris Sellers who was present at the St. Mary test. Ultimately, the only test anyone believes is the one they run themselves. Our technician, Duane Fisher, can come to India to conduct whatever tests you feel you will need. You would be required to pay his transportation and housing while there. We pay him and his personal expenses. We charge one cent per treated gallon for the biodiesel additive in drum quantities FOB our dock. The price goes down with volume. You tell us what your volume requirements are and we will quote a price based on that information. Our standard blend treatment ratio is one ounce treats ten gallons (1/1,280). To save on freight costs we can blend to a treatment ratio of one ounce treats 30 gallons (1/3,840). This means one 55-gallon drum will treat 211,200 gallons of fuel. I look forward to hearing from you soon. Thank you, Don Woodward RxP Products, Inc. -Original Message- From: balaji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 10:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RxP additive Dear Mr. Don Woodward, I am from India. We are seriously looking at biodiesels for transport and power generation via govt. and pvt. initiatives in both the industrial and rural sectors in our country. As you are aware, biodiesels burn hotter and NOx in the exhaust is an issue. Our country represents a huge potential market for your product. Please kindly let me know if you still manufacture the RxP additives and if so, whether you have any representatives/agents in this part of the world ? Also any information on tests/customer endorsement other than those already posted on your website. I understand that Supreme Oil of Arizona were appointed by you to market RxP. They however do not mention RxP at their website. I am a listmember of biofuel@yahoogroups.com and Keith Addison and a whole bunch of other listers are intrigued. Could you please clarify if they still market RxP ? Regards. balaji - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:02 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] EPA to Finalize Diesel Pollution Rules Tuesday Hello Balaji Hello Keith, Thanks a lot for the leads to the RxP additive, which seems to operate by enhancing combustion by infra red absorption from the burning fuel in the engine while simultaneously providing an envelope of moisture over the flame thus reducing NOx formation. The claimed benefits include cleaner burning, de-carbonisation, enhanced Cetane and Octane Number, higher hp and low treatment ratios (an ounce of RxP to treat 10 gallons of Dino diesel). It is based on a blend of hydrocarbon distillates. Tests conducted on a boiler at St. Mary's Hospital, Long Beach, produced the following results : NOx emissions averaged 27.8 parts per million (ppm), which was 30% below that required by the SCAQMD standards. CO emissions averaged 104.4 ppm, which was 74% below that required by the SCAQMD standards. Here are the direct links : http://www.rxp.com/Press_Telegraph.htm http://www.rxp.com/wouldn.htm http://www.rxp.com/test-cov.htm Does anybody have field experience with this ? Trouble is the Press Telegraph news story was published on 25 June 2001. The Engineering Source Test was conducted June 12, 2001. The most
Re: [biofuel] morality
Source: Aljazeera http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/94812266-7218-4544-9DB2-A8E4D61FFB0E. htm Rabbi supports killings in Rafah By Khalid Amayreh in the West Bank Thursday 20 May 2004, 16:48 Makka Time, 13:48 GMT Lior: Jewish lives more important than non-Jewish A prominent rabbi has supported the killings of Palestinian civilians by Israeli occupation troops in the Gaza Strip, saying killing non-Jewish civiliansåÊis compatible with religious laws. Rabbi Dov Lior, Chairman of the Jewish Rabbinical Council, was quoted as saying during warfare, killing non-Jewish civilians is permitted if it saves Jewish lives. According to Lior's ruling, which was made public on Wednesday, Israeli occupation troops in Gaza are allowed to kill and harm so-called innocent civilians during warfare. The law of our Torah is to have mercy on our soldiers and to save them. This is the real moral behind Israel's Torah and we must not feel guilty due to foreign morals, the Ma'ariv Israeli newspaper quoted him as saying. He added that Jewish lives were more important than non-Jewish lives. Extremist Rabbi Lior is considered among the most learned sages of the Torah. Without any doubt, he is among the most learned scholars of the Torah, but he is viewed as an extremist among some liberal sectors, said Rabbi Menachem Froman from the Tku' settlement near Bethlehem. ...a thousand non-Jewish lives are not worth a Jew's fingernail Rabbi Dov Lior, Chairman of the Jewish Rabbinical Council Froman said he did not agree with Lior's views, calling them controversial. I believe that Judaism is against killing innocent people. One of the main commandments of the Torah is 'thou shall not murder.' However, after speaking to many rabbis, it is clear that Lior's views and interpretation of Jewish Law enjoy far more popularity and acceptance than Froman's relatively dovish interpretations. The basic point of disagreement concerns whether Biblical injunctions apply equally to Jews and non-Jews. Lior, like most of the rabbis of the Gush Emunim settler movement, believes that Biblical commandments such as thou shall not murder refer only to Jews since the Torah was given to Jews, not Gentiles. This view, however, is rejected to varying degrees by the two main unorthodox Jewish sects - the Conservatives and the Reformists - who constitute a numerical majority of Jews outside Israel, especially in North America. Settlers' rabbi Dov Lior is considered a champion rabbi among settlers. In 1994, he strongly supported the murder by an American immigrant settler, Baruch Goldstein, of 29 Palestinian worshippers at the Ibrahimi Mosque. Lior then issued a religious edict, saying, a thousand non-Jewish lives are not worth a Jew's fingernail. Lior praised Goldstein, calling him a great saint and rabbi Ì¢ÂÃÇ may his memory be blessed. Several months after the massacre, Lior told disciples in Kiryat Araba near the occupied West Bank city of Hebron Jewish blood was redder than non-Jewish blood... and that a Jewish life is preferred by the Lord than a non-Jewish life. Silence So far, the majority of Israeli religious leaders, including the two Grand Rabbis (one representing Western Jews 'Ashkenazim' and the other representing eastern Jews 'Tsfaradim') have refused to condemn or repudiate Lior's views. Rabbi Froman suggested that because of Lior's deep knowledge of Jewish law, most rabbis refrain from challenging his understanding of the Torah and Talmud. In fact, the official religious establishment, let alone Gush Eumunim rabbis, consistently supported whatever attacks carried out by the occupying army against Palestinian civilians. Mirkaz Ha'rav officials in West Jerusalem (the main religious College where Dov Lior teaches) refused to comment onåÊLior's edict when contacted by Aljazeera.net. Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: morality
Actually tghis article continues to propagate the myth that the Torah teaches this that and the other when in reality it is The Talmud that teaches those things. The Torah, the Old Testament or more stringently the first five books of Moses, teaches no such thing. The Babylonian Talmud (considered the authoritative version) DOES teach that any who are non-jews are considered lower than cattle and that their sacrifice is like giving God an offering. The Talmud is termed The Oral Law, a ruling set of laws given outside the written laws of either the New or Old Testaments and is considered authoritative and superior to any written laws. This is the book of values taught to those who identify as jews internationally and has been the subject of n=mush disdain throughout history as soon as it's true contents have been made known. Most do not appreciate to being equated to lesser-than-cattle status, nor that the teachings that males who have sexual intercourse with 3 (yes three!) year old females is no big deal as the hymen will grow back according to Talmud. So when this Rabbi states that the Torah says that killing non-jews is ok , blah blah he is in fact protecting the true nature of the Talmud, for WHO would DARE to attack the Old Testament (Torah)but a crude anti- semite ? http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/dcontents.html is the link to Elizabeth Dilling's excellent comparative using quotations from both The Jewish Encyclopedia and the Babylonian Talmud bringing to light the catula contents of this book of values. Elizabeth Dilling counted among her friends people like Charles Lynberg, tha aviator,Henry Ford, the car maker and William Randolph Hearst, the media magnate. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Source: Aljazeera http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/94812266-7218-4544-9DB2- A8E4D61FFB0E. htm Rabbi supports killings in Rafah By Khalid Amayreh in the West Bank Thursday 20 May 2004, 16:48 Makka Time, 13:48 GMT Lior: Jewish lives more important than non-Jewish A prominent rabbi has supported the killings of Palestinian civilians by Israeli occupation troops in the Gaza Strip, saying killing non-Jewish civiliansåÊis compatible with religious laws. Rabbi Dov Lior, Chairman of the Jewish Rabbinical Council, was quoted as saying during warfare, killing non-Jewish civilians is permitted if it saves Jewish lives. According to Lior's ruling, which was made public on Wednesday, Israeli occupation troops in Gaza are allowed to kill and harm so-called innocent civilians during warfare. The law of our Torah is to have mercy on our soldiers and to save them. This is the real moral behind Israel's Torah and we must not feel guilty due to foreign morals, the Ma'ariv Israeli newspaper quoted him as saying. He added that Jewish lives were more important than non-Jewish lives. Extremist Rabbi Lior is considered among the most learned sages of the Torah. Without any doubt, he is among the most learned scholars of the Torah, but he is viewed as an extremist among some liberal sectors, said Rabbi Menachem Froman from the Tku' settlement near Bethlehem. ...a thousand non-Jewish lives are not worth a Jew's fingernail Rabbi Dov Lior, Chairman of the Jewish Rabbinical Council Froman said he did not agree with Lior's views, calling them controversial. I believe that Judaism is against killing innocent people. One of the main commandments of the Torah is 'thou shall not murder.' However, after speaking to many rabbis, it is clear that Lior's views and interpretation of Jewish Law enjoy far more popularity and acceptance than Froman's relatively dovish interpretations. The basic point of disagreement concerns whether Biblical injunctions apply equally to Jews and non-Jews. Lior, like most of the rabbis of the Gush Emunim settler movement, believes that Biblical commandments such as thou shall not murder refer only to Jews since the Torah was given to Jews, not Gentiles. This view, however, is rejected to varying degrees by the two main unorthodox Jewish sects - the Conservatives and the Reformists - who constitute a numerical majority of Jews outside Israel, especially in North America. Settlers' rabbi Dov Lior is considered a champion rabbi among settlers. In 1994, he strongly supported the murder by an American immigrant settler, Baruch Goldstein, of 29 Palestinian worshippers at the Ibrahimi Mosque. Lior then issued a religious edict, saying, a thousand non-Jewish lives are not worth a Jew's fingernail. Lior praised Goldstein, calling him a great saint and rabbi Ì¢ÂÃÇ may his memory be blessed. Several months after the massacre, Lior told disciples in Kiryat Araba near the occupied West Bank city of Hebron Jewish blood was redder than non-Jewish blood... and that a Jewish life is preferred by the Lord than a non-Jewish life.
[biofuel] Risks of running WVO?
I just bought a 1998 Dodge Ram Diesel... I would really like to set it up to run WVO... I just am a little nervous about it with this rather expensive vehicle. What are the risks running WVO? Would I be better off just going with biodiesel? What happens after 100,000 miles? is there any real evidence? Thanks all! Matt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] great history channel spot on the tzero
murdoch wrote: The show is From Tactical To Practical. This particular show, they were examining all sorts of hybrids and alt-fuel vehicles. After the Prius-Insight hybrid segment, they did a segment on the tzero, where they had it do a 1/4 mile drag against a 500 hp Dodge Viper. The tzero won. At the end, the Viper was catching up a bit, but it was not able to overcome the tzero's advantages in low-end torque that manifested themselves at the line. I saw it too, didn't it look like they were going really slow, perhaps a mock race? Then there was a segment on a diesel-electric hybrid military vehicle and then a diesel-electric 2004 Dodge pickup (Is such a thing actually available to consumers, or was this just Daimler-Chrysler vaporware, or more military-only who-cares-about-consumers-ware?) The hybrid dodge pickup is being made available to fleet customers right now. It should be available in a year or two for regular customers. The military hybrid (Hybrid Humvee?) was said to use Lithium-type batteries. Cool. I think it's mainly for stealth mode. The military rarely cares about fuel consumption. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] $150 Fumeless Processor questions
OK, after doing research and originally wanting to do the plastic cone shaped processor, I have decided for safety purposes trying to make my own $150 Fumeless Processor like the one shown on the Journey web site. The image on the site is helpful on what components I need to get and what goes where but it does not go into more detail on what to do once it is all put together. Is there a write-up someplace that explains the use of the device? When to use the pump, how long, when to do this and that type of step by step useage of the device. Is there a guide someplace for this device. Thanks Thomas Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] great history channel spot on the tzero
On Mon, 24 May 2004 12:21:58 -0400, you wrote: murdoch wrote: The show is From Tactical To Practical. This particular show, they were examining all sorts of hybrids and alt-fuel vehicles. After the Prius-Insight hybrid segment, they did a segment on the tzero, where they had it do a 1/4 mile drag against a 500 hp Dodge Viper. The tzero won. At the end, the Viper was catching up a bit, but it was not able to overcome the tzero's advantages in low-end torque that manifested themselves at the line. I saw it too, didn't it look like they were going really slow, perhaps a mock race? It's possible they would take it easy, but there would be no reason to do so. There are videos around the net of a tzero dusting similar street cars (Ferrari, etc.), and I've seen it accelerate from zero (though I haven't been in it when it did so), and I don't have much trouble believing Gage's claim of 0-60 in 3.6 seconds. I don't personally like super-fast cars as street cars (though I've not driven one) for safety reasons, and I'd classify the tzero with the faster Porsche 911 variants in my thinking on that matter. On the other hand, having seen the tzero accelerate from stop, yes, I must admit there was a moment when I thought I wonder if this is for real. Also, note that the other driver turned and spoke to the camera at some point, making me wonder if they shot the 'race' more than once, maybe with a camera person in either car at some point. One thing I liked about the episode was the cutaway of the car so you could see where they put some of the batteries, how they clarified that they were supposedly laptop batteries (when I attended a Gage lecture, the claim he made was that the batteries were ones used for other things, such as the model-airplane people, but it's certainly possible they've tried others) and the explanation of the low-end torque issue for some EVs. I also liked Gage's summarizing statement as to how things have come a long way in the variety of areas from battery to motor to wheel, because this helps put some perspective on the various behind-the-scenes technology areas that have gone better... the various weak link points that could cause an EV not to do as well? Maybe I'm reading too much into it. Then there was a segment on a diesel-electric hybrid military vehicle and then a diesel-electric 2004 Dodge pickup (Is such a thing actually available to consumers, or was this just Daimler-Chrysler vaporware, or more military-only who-cares-about-consumers-ware?) The hybrid dodge pickup is being made available to fleet customers right now. It should be available in a year or two for regular customers. The military hybrid (Hybrid Humvee?) was said to use Lithium-type batteries. Cool. I think it's mainly for stealth mode. The military rarely cares about fuel consumption. I don't watch the whole episode carefully, but didn't they talk, at some point, about why such a vehicle would be important, about the 750,000 gallons per day of fuel used by the troops during the invasion, of how the speed of the invasion was limited by the supply lines for fuel? I may be confusing this with a segment on afterwards about something else. MM Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: $150 Fumeless Processor questions
G'day Thomas; First off, that design was modifed a bit: http://www.veggieavenger.com/avengerboard/viewtopic.php?t=332 is the path. The only major change is to the size of tubing from the methoxide carboy to the pump. Ther are still a few other mods that can be amde but none that you cannot add once this basic design is complete. This is the one I am building right now as well. Girl Mark, the original designer, has threatened (!) to do just such a point by point how-to tutorial a couple of times but she is very busy and it is still yet pending. You can find more posts on this processor design and ideas here: http://www.veggieavenger.com/avengerboard/viewforum.php? f=25sid=0f9b4a6c87151d5575f4a3b0b7a5d92c Between the great information on journeytoforever and the follow up info on this design in the links I just posted you can get a pretty good idea of the who what where when and why of it. I am adding to this the Sean Park Standpipe wash tank design and enclosing the lot in a cabinet (roll out closet type). Luc --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, TJ Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, after doing research and originally wanting to do the plastic cone shaped processor, I have decided for safety purposes trying to make my own $150 Fumeless Processor like the one shown on the Journey web site. The image on the site is helpful on what components I need to get and what goes where but it does not go into more detail on what to do once it is all put together. Is there a write-up someplace that explains the use of the device? When to use the pump, how long, when to do this and that type of step by step useage of the device. Is there a guide someplace for this device. Thanks Thomas Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Lung ingestion from depleted uranium
Depleted Uranium and it's effects http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/stand/du.html http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1776 http://www.thefourreasons.org/duresources.htm Depleted Uranium Flash Presentation http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html Birth Defects ect...blamed on DU http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/95178_du12.shtml Confirmed DU poisoning http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/apr2004/dura-a21.shtml Thanks to the warmongers all those who have been in Afghanistan or Iraq have been breathing in this junk via dust storms and what they will be bringing back home (if they return) is more than just bad memories, not only for themselves but for all those they come in contact with.Isn't war grand? And moral? And right ? Luc --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Curtis Sakima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or (speaking on Iraq at the time) ... any time a country goes after producing and using such devices . it's time for regime change!! Americans cheering in the background H. Curtis Nothing says I love you like a bouquet of flowers! http://www.flowerson55.com - Original Message - From: jgnat1488 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aint it nice that the UN lists DU as a weapon of mass destruction? Why do we (the us) use the same class of weapons that we are supposed to be going after? I love this country but can't stand governmental BS! end of rant Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Saudis promise to increase oil to U.S.
http://www.salon.com/tech/wire/2004/05/23/oil/index.html Salon.com Technology | Saudis promise to increase oil to U.S. - - - - - - - - - - - - By Bruce Stanley May 23, 2004 | AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) -- Saudi Arabia has assured the United States that it will supply up to 2 million barrels a day in additional crude oil if the market demands it, the U.S. Energy Secretary said Sunday. Saudi Arabia has pledged to pump an additional 600,000 barrels a day starting in June, lifting its daily output to 9.1 million barrels, Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham told reporters at an Amsterdam hotel after meeting privately with Saudi Oil Minister Ali Naimi. He also stated that going forward they will meet all requests up to their full capacity of 10.5 million barrels a day. I think this was a very important comment on his part, Abraham said. He said he expected the new Saudi commitment would help reassure oil markets about the reliability of supplies. Oil prices have soared above $40 a barrel in recent weeks due to fears about instability in Iraq and other oil-rich Gulf countries, bottlenecks in gasoline production at U.S. refineries, and an unforeseen burst in global demand, particularly from China and the United States. Any fresh Saudi crude would take several weeks to reach U.S. ports, and American motorists are unlikely to benefit right away from lower pump prices for gasoline. However, the Saudi pledge came as a welcome message. The 11-member Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, which supplies about a third of the world's crude, has come under intense pressure from the United States and other oil-importing countries to boost output to calm markets and reduce prices. Saudi Arabia is OPEC's most influential member, and it alone has significant unused capacity to pump more oil quickly. Abraham met with Naimi during a three-day conference of energy producing and consuming nations. The Saudi Oil Ministry proposed Friday that OPEC increase its production ceiling by 2 million barrels a day, or 8.5 percent. At the same time, it pledged to raise its own output to at least 9 million barrels in June. Although OPEC expressed concern about the sharp rise in oil prices, it announced Saturday it was deferring a decision about increasing its ceiling until it meets June 3 in Beirut. Naimi's assurances to Abraham were the most explicit Saudi commitment to produce at this higher level since oil prices reached the psychologically important threshold of $40. They also represent a dramatic shift in Saudi policy: OPEC members, led by Saudi Arabia, agreed as recently as March to cut production by 1 million barrels a day in anticipation of a lull in seasonal demand. Demand picked up instead, to OPEC's surprise. U.S. gasoline prices hit new highs as motorists prepared for the peak summer driving season, and OPEC has borne the brunt of demands for more oil. Adnan Shihab-Eldin, director of OPEC's research division, suggested that faulty data about the size of global oil stocks, or inventories, and the supply and demand for crude were partly to blame for the group's misjudgment. Supply and demand were pointing in one direction. Stock levels were pointing in another direction, he told reporters. Iranian Oil Minister Bijan Namdar Zangeneh acknowledged Saudi Arabia's right to take independent action to pump more oil if it thinks it's necessary. However, he appeared displeased. Iran is also a member of OPEC, and Zangeneh emphasized that it is important for OPEC to reach consensus as a group on oil production levels. Although Zangeneh said he believed there was already enough oil on the market already, he agreed that crude prices were too high and suggested that he might support an increase in the OPEC ceiling. For the short term, it probably is necessary to send a positive signal to the market, he told a news conference. Speaking earlier, Venezuela's Oil Minister Rafael Ramirez blamed U.S. policy in Iraq for causing high crude prices by destabilizing the Middle East. He argued that an increase in oil production would do nothing to help push prices lower. Ramirez insisted that global supplies of crude are plentiful and criticized U.S. actions in Iraq for increasing tensions in the oil-rich Middle East. There is no question that the current U.S. policy is to blame for the current high prices of oil, Ramirez told a news conference. His defiant comments could complicate Saudi Arabia's efforts to unite the group behind its proposal for OPEC to raise its output ceiling. Ramirez argued that instead of boosting crude output, OPEC should accept a Venezuelan proposal to raise the group's target price for crude. The current target price range is $22 to $28 a barrel for OPEC's benchmark blend of crudes. Ramirez refused to give details of Venezuela's desired price revision. The differences between Saudi Arabia and Venezuela over OPEC policy are playing out against
Re: [local-b100-biz] Re: [biofuel] You ought to write a book.
Hi all, I';m on the road with extremely limited internet access (am in fact about to go hike in the mountains for three days so Ill really be out of touch) so I haven't been participating in this discussion. But... I'd love it if someone, someday, videotaped one of my 'how-to' presentations and made it available for free on the net. The main problem is that setting up something like that is a phenomenal amount of work and I have _NO_ free time to take it on after I get back to California next weekend. Last week in Albuquerque my friends and I built a system (and made liter batches and a fullsize batch of fuel)- and someone made a bad-quality home video of the process. it's too low-quality to edit into something presentable for public use, but watching it made me realize that a video of one of the classes would be a good tool for the public. It'd be good if it were possible to make it available on the internet, though I'm not sure what this takes in terms of bandwidth or other downloading issues. As far as what Murdoch says about it potentially causing a drop in attendance at my workshops, I don't think that's a concern at all (and it would be fine if it did anyway, I'm not doing this to make money). The main problem for me is just the time involved in putting together a quality video sometime, and the large amount of work that goes into editing something like that (video production skill is something I completely lack and am not interested in learning at this time...) Anyway I'll put some thought into making this happen someday. I don't have any time to deal with it for the next couple of months but will keep my ears open for some way to make an internet video available. mark At 08:00 AM 5/24/2004 -0700, you wrote: On Sun, 23 May 2004 22:03:55 -, you wrote: Hey Keith, After lurking and occationally posting on this list, I gotta agree with you guys about Fryer to the Fuel Tank. I use it mostly these days for doing test batches. But, considering the wealth of info you and Todd Swearington and Girlmark have, you ought to collectively write something that would at least give Fryer to the Fuel Tank a run for its money. 'specially considering your background in journalism. And it would be a great way to help support the work you guy are doing at JTF. What say we all? :o) I said to girl mark before I went to that intro class, and am saying now, that I think at the least it would be a good idea to document some of her presentation by shooting a video and editing it and making it available on the net (yes, I know, some folks don't have the bandwidth, but some do). That would be less work than sitting down to write a book I guess, but on the downside, attendance and payment might slip if more folks were able to get her info for free. She did actually have an $8 book (about 80 pages she'd printed out it was not published with a hard cover or by a publishing house) that she had written that she was selling at the end of class, as well. I don't know if she has posted a spot online where you can order this (plus shipping, etc.). I'm sure some of us would rather see her rake in payment-for-valuable information than watch Mr. Tickell rake in money for his work. That book that she wrote might fit your description, or if she collaborated to have people like Todd or Keith add their own areas in it, or introductions to it, it might help add an extra level of anti-FTFT capability to it maybe just brief essays discussing the importance of countering the bad info that is getting out there. That would add a lot of work though. Fact is, she seemed to be selling something that might fit your suggestion. MM Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[local-b100-biz] Re: [biofuel] You ought to write a book.
Curious where Girl Mark does these workshops? Is it in Calfifornia someplace. Would love to attend one. Is there any upcoming classes and where? tj --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, girl mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I';m on the road with extremely limited internet access (am in fact about to go hike in the mountains for three days so Ill really be out of touch) so I haven't been participating in this discussion. But... I'd love it if someone, someday, videotaped one of my 'how-to' presentations and made it available for free on the net. The main problem is that setting up something like that is a phenomenal amount of work and I have _NO_ free time to take it on after I get back to California next weekend. Last week in Albuquerque my friends and I built a system (and made liter batches and a fullsize batch of fuel)- and someone made a bad-quality home video of the process. it's too low-quality to edit into something presentable for public use, but watching it made me realize that a video of one of the classes would be a good tool for the public. It'd be good if it were possible to make it available on the internet, though I'm not sure what this takes in terms of bandwidth or other downloading issues. As far as what Murdoch says about it potentially causing a drop in attendance at my workshops, I don't think that's a concern at all (and it would be fine if it did anyway, I'm not doing this to make money). The main problem for me is just the time involved in putting together a quality video sometime, and the large amount of work that goes into editing something like that (video production skill is something I completely lack and am not interested in learning at this time...) Anyway I'll put some thought into making this happen someday. I don't have any time to deal with it for the next couple of months but will keep my ears open for some way to make an internet video available. mark At 08:00 AM 5/24/2004 -0700, you wrote: On Sun, 23 May 2004 22:03:55 -, you wrote: Hey Keith, After lurking and occationally posting on this list, I gotta agree with you guys about Fryer to the Fuel Tank. I use it mostly these days for doing test batches. But, considering the wealth of info you and Todd Swearington and Girlmark have, you ought to collectively write something that would at least give Fryer to the Fuel Tank a run for its money. 'specially considering your background in journalism. And it would be a great way to help support the work you guy are doing at JTF. What say we all? :o) I said to girl mark before I went to that intro class, and am saying now, that I think at the least it would be a good idea to document some of her presentation by shooting a video and editing it and making it available on the net (yes, I know, some folks don't have the bandwidth, but some do). That would be less work than sitting down to write a book I guess, but on the downside, attendance and payment might slip if more folks were able to get her info for free. She did actually have an $8 book (about 80 pages she'd printed out it was not published with a hard cover or by a publishing house) that she had written that she was selling at the end of class, as well. I don't know if she has posted a spot online where you can order this (plus shipping, etc.). I'm sure some of us would rather see her rake in payment-for-valuable information than watch Mr. Tickell rake in money for his work. That book that she wrote might fit your description, or if she collaborated to have people like Todd or Keith add their own areas in it, or introductions to it, it might help add an extra level of anti-FTFT capability to it maybe just brief essays discussing the importance of countering the bad info that is getting out there. That would add a lot of work though. Fact is, she seemed to be selling something that might fit your suggestion. MM Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: $150 Fumeless Processor questions
This is great information. Thanks for the leads. I have alot of reading to do. Thanks again. tj --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, biobenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day Thomas; First off, that design was modifed a bit: http://www.veggieavenger.com/avengerboard/viewtopic.php?t=332 is the path. The only major change is to the size of tubing from the methoxide carboy to the pump. Ther are still a few other mods that can be amde but none that you cannot add once this basic design is complete. This is the one I am building right now as well. Girl Mark, the original designer, has threatened (!) to do just such a point by point how-to tutorial a couple of times but she is very busy and it is still yet pending. You can find more posts on this processor design and ideas here: http://www.veggieavenger.com/avengerboard/viewforum.php? f=25sid=0f9b4a6c87151d5575f4a3b0b7a5d92c Between the great information on journeytoforever and the follow up info on this design in the links I just posted you can get a pretty good idea of the who what where when and why of it. I am adding to this the Sean Park Standpipe wash tank design and enclosing the lot in a cabinet (roll out closet type). Luc --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, TJ Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, after doing research and originally wanting to do the plastic cone shaped processor, I have decided for safety purposes trying to make my own $150 Fumeless Processor like the one shown on the Journey web site. The image on the site is helpful on what components I need to get and what goes where but it does not go into more detail on what to do once it is all put together. Is there a write-up someplace that explains the use of the device? When to use the pump, how long, when to do this and that type of step by step useage of the device. Is there a guide someplace for this device. Thanks Thomas Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Risks of running WVO?
-Original Message- From: Matt Golden I just bought a 1998 Dodge Ram Diesel... I would really like to set it up to run WVO... I just am a little nervous about it with this rather expensive vehicle. What are the risks running WVO? Would I be better off just going with biodiesel? What happens after 100,000 miles? is there any real evidence? Matt, you might try a Google (or your favorite search engine) search for 'Dodge WVO', seems I saw a lot of message boards about truck WVO. I found a good site to help with straight WVO questions: http://www.northwales.org.uk/bio-power/svo.htm But I need some help with some terms that are probably common knowledge in the UK. what is Jay cloth...used for filtering jubilee clips organic solvents a natural solvent Industrial white spirit or turps substitute And does anyone have any experience or insight in the use of these additives. I get the feeling that straight WVO is not really a topic of favor here...if someone can guide me to where there might be more interest in straight WVO...I will go away, and not bother you...and leave you all transfixed on your Transesterification. Richard U -Original Message- From: Matt Golden I just bought a 1998 Dodge Ram Diesel... I would really like to set it up to run WVO... I just am a little nervous about it with this rather expensive vehicle. What are the risks running WVO? Would I be better off just going with biodiesel? What happens after 100,000 miles? is there any real evidence? Thanks all! Matt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodiesel Equipment Workshop, Berkeley, May 30
Biodiesel Equipment Class May 30, 12-6 At Tinkers Workshop Shorebird facility, 80 Bolivar Dr, Berkeley (please note: this is not the Tinkers' Workshop better-known main site) No pre-registration needed, please come! Cost: $20-$50 sliding scale Optional 85-page homebrew biodiesel guidebook available for $8. Directions to site: I-80 to University exit Go east on University to 6th st (which is the first right you can make) Turn right on 6th st Go right on Addison Go to the waterfront, and make a left Go one block, site will be on your right Address: 80 Bolivar Dr. This is a class on the equipment needs for homebrewing biodiesel fuel. Please see www.journeytoforever.org to familiarise yourself with the homebrewing process. I am also teaching a comprehensive homebrewing class at Solar Living Institute in Hopland the day before- please see http://store.solarlivingstore.com/bifufrve2920.html for registration to the Hopland class. Biodiesel equipment at the May 30th class will be an 'Appleseed' water heater-based biodiesel reactor, a standpipe wash tank, methanol recovery condensers and a counterflow heat exchanger, gear pump built out of an engine oil sump pump, mistwashing equipment and homemade polyethylene bubblewash aerator. We will discuss the biodiesel reaction, compatible materials, engineering and designing a system, other kinds and sizes of tanks, plumbing tools, safety, basic plumbing and wiring, basics of pumps, methoxide mixer options, methanol recovery and vacuum-assisted methanol recovery. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Saudi Oil Is Secure and Plentiful, Say Officials
On Mon, 24 May 2004 04:17:30 +0900, you wrote: Hi Hoagy Anyone see this? No but thank you Keith and speaking of real men and what they have to say I thought this excerpt from the article pasted below would be of possible future interest -- Finally, we learn from Bob Woodward that, as a reward for getting rid of Saddam Hussein, Bush received what amounts to an in-kind campaign contribution from the Saudi royal family. Don't worry about rising gas prices, Prince Bandar assured the president. After screwing Americans all summer with high prices at the pump, Bandar promised Bush the Saudis would pump more oil in the fall, thereby lowering gas prices ö just before the election. We had something about it before, but it's certainly worth spelling it out again, thankyou. I just hope people will remember it when it happens. And the media... I haven't decided what I think of Woodward's claim, though one has to say that he has good credibility. My inclination when I heard this was that it was half true, and that even if fully true, that there are other factors at work here. 1. The Saudis and others have said, and I believe it also to be a factor, that the U.S. has for so long prevented expansion and new construction in the refinery industry that part of the reason the U.S. gas prices are going up has more to do with that, than with any shortage of oil. Since the refinery shortage argument seems to get short play (it is an argument for the enviro conspiracy driving up prices I guess rather than an argument for the Bush-Saudi price manipulation conspiracy) I thought I'd put it back on the table. 2. I also tend to buy into the idea that if we are going into a world economic expansion in such areas as China, and if we have done little or nothing to dissaociate such a 21st century expansion with increased use of Oil, then, DUH, we are going to see use of oil go up and, probably, prices. If more cars and motorized bikes and what-not are being put into garages worldwide, and if they're being put there to get daily use, then of course, the cumulative net world-wide effect is an increased use of fuel. 3. Another factor, in my view, has been the Bush Administration's increase of the Debt and the possibility (probability, certainty, some would say) this will lead to paying it off in lower-valued American Dollars. Why should Oil Producers, from a profit-oriented point of view, not try to get the best-value for their product that they can get? So, there was perhaps some hush-hush we-can-help you conversation between Bush and the Saudis, and if it happened it was just another in a long line of sickeningly inappropriate machinations on the part of this Administration, but I don't see it as the only thing going on here. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] location of girl mark workshops
On Mon, 24 May 2004 19:37:55 -, you wrote: Curious where Girl Mark does these workshops? Is it in Calfifornia someplace. Would love to attend one. Is there any upcoming classes and where? tj
Re: [biofuel] location of girl mark workshops
It would be my suggestion that she should make a DVD and charge $8-? apiece and whet peoples appetite. If they have more questions, they can attend the workshops. She could use the DVD as advertising and perhaps make more money. Art Krenzel, P.E. PHOENIX TECHNOLOGIES 10505 NE 285TH Street Battle Ground, WA 98604 360-666-1883 voice [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: murdoch To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 2:03 PM Subject: [biofuel] location of girl mark workshops On Mon, 24 May 2004 19:37:55 -, you wrote: Curious where Girl Mark does these workshops? Is it in Calfifornia someplace. Would love to attend one. Is there any upcoming classes and where? tj From what I've seen they seem to be often in N. California, but right now she is here in the Southwest (Arizona and NM) and I she said something about going to the Midwest this summer. I think if someone were to do the work to make a decent video (she's right it would take a lot of work to do right or even half-right) then that could help folks attend without having formally to travel to one of the workshops. When she gets back from her hiking, maybe she can clarify what web page folks can go to, if there is one, to buy one of her books, or check for the location of her next workshop, payment terms, etc. But all this takes work, even just to make sure there is a page with a schedule, so I am not trying to imply that she owes us such data or any other thing. Note that she also has this Local-B100 group to which I am cc'ing. But if you contact her, she'll probably get back to you as to if she'll be in your area, or I suppose a person could fly to California for a day. The thing she did here was put on two days. The first day was the sort of beginner-level introductory (me and others). Then the next day there was a workshop for making a reactor, which I didn't go to. She also mentioned in email offering a service of building one for you, for materials and labor. But this didn't seem to be something she'd do all the time, ... only if you were on the way and in order to pay for an upcoming trip. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] biodiesel with pongamia oil
Hello Shashi, Mahindra Mahindra Ltd. has a pilot plant utilizing Karanj for biodiesel in Mumbai. This plant has carried out successful trails on tractors using this fuel. Parameters such as power, torque, fuel consumption, emissions, etc. have been found quite satisfactory on tractors operating on this biodiesel. Field trials for about 3 kms have also been carried out on the tractors. Source Parivesh, Central Pollution Contro Board. http://www.cpcb.delhi.nic.in/diesel/ch70902.htm Regards. balaji - Original Message - From: shashi kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 12:00 PM Subject: [biofuel] biodiesel with pongamia oil DEAR FRIENDs Can any one help me by giving the process for making Biodiesel at home in India from pongamia pinnata oil.In India we are useing this oil as SVO INDIAN INSTITUTE OF SCIENCE Banglore has done a commendable job by electrifing Indian tribal villages where electricity was unheard,with pongam oil as svo.I would like to know if any of our friends have made Biodiesel with pongamia pinnata oil, pls give me a method where i can use it for my carShashi. home __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Risks of running WVO?
Hello Richard -Original Message- From: Matt Golden I just bought a 1998 Dodge Ram Diesel... I would really like to set it up to run WVO... I just am a little nervous about it with this rather expensive vehicle. What are the risks running WVO? Would I be better off just going with biodiesel? What happens after 100,000 miles? is there any real evidence? Matt, you might try a Google (or your favorite search engine) search for 'Dodge WVO', seems I saw a lot of message boards about truck WVO. I found a good site to help with straight WVO questions: http://www.northwales.org.uk/bio-power/svo.htm John Nicholson's site. But I need some help with some terms that are probably common knowledge in the UK. what is Jay cloth...used for filtering It's a thin, blue-and-white cleaning cloth, dunno wot it's made of but it's woven so as to have a mesh, like a fine net. jubilee clips Gem clips? Stainless steel clamps with a bolt on the side, used for connecting hoses etc. organic solvents a natural solvent Industrial white spirit or turps substitute http://www.inchem.org/documents/hsg/hsg/hsg103.htm White spirit (HSG 103, 1996) And does anyone have any experience or insight in the use of these additives. There's been some discussion of it before, here and elsewhere, which I guess could be summed up as scepticism. Eg.: Sounds almost to good Um, yes. It was discussed recently at the veg-oil diesel list, with general scepticism. Paddy (UK) said: Personally I reckon it is a load of baloney, which seemed to sum it up. Whatever white spirit happens to be anyway, though in the UK it seems to be mineral turpentine (artificial). There's some info on it here: http://www.inchem.org/documents/hsg/hsg/hsg103.htm White spirit (HSG 103, 1996) It was thought it wouldn't improve the combustion, but would lower the viscosity somewhat, though not in such small quantities as shown (a teaspoonful, I think), you'd need much more - 30-50%. I discussed it before offlist with a few other people, we couldn't see the point. Not much different to mixing the oil with kerosene, and I don't think there's much point to that: Mixing it http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#1mixing If someone finds it works for them, that's great, but recommending it might be another matter. What you can safely recommend are either biodiesel or a proper SVO system, that is an engine conversion or a two-tank system with pre-heating, using biodiesel or petro-diesel for starts and stops. Maybe Darren has later information? Have you seen Darren Hill's site? I think it's much better than John Nicholson's. http://www.vegburner.co.uk/index.html Vegburner I get the feeling that straight WVO is not really a topic of favor here... That's not true at all, all biofuels subjects are topics of favor here, there's been a great deal of discussion of WVO and I'm sure there'll be a great deal more. You said this before: I'm sorry if I'm requesting info that has been recently posted, but my search for straight WVO did not give me satisfaction...let me know if there is a more productive search title. I wanted to ask you which archives you used, because (as I keep saying) if you used Yahoo's archives you wouldn't have got too far, it's useless. Use the list's independent archives, which is linked at the end of every message you receive: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ... where a search for straight WVO (including quotes) yields 1,765 hits. Each of those has a Click here for more on this subject button which takes you to the whole thread. Other search strings would give you far more results, and you'd find the right strings to use from reading these messages. Not a topic of favor? if someone can guide me to where there might be more interest in straight WVO...I will go away, and not bother you...and leave you all transfixed on your Transesterification. Richard, there's room for everything. Nobody's transfixed on anything, and even if they were you (a) don't have to read it, messages have subject lines, and (b) it would in no way prevent any other discussion. Anyway biodiesel and SVO/WVO are pretty much complementary subjects. Keith Richard U -Original Message- From: Matt Golden I just bought a 1998 Dodge Ram Diesel... I would really like to set it up to run WVO... I just am a little nervous about it with this rather expensive vehicle. What are the risks running WVO? Would I be better off just going with biodiesel? What happens after 100,000 miles? is there any real evidence? Thanks all! Matt Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
[biofuel] Re: weird gummy stuff
Keith, I have to say I agree with you. Don't let one bad apple spoil an entire harvest. You may not realize just how many people this list has helped. Either by responding or lurking, the list is helping many, many people. Sounds like some people want you to make their biodiesel for them. There are people like myself who found this list and if not would have been spending $3000 that we don't have on things like the fuelmeister. Thanks again for all your responses and everyone else who helped answer my questions. Jonathan. Jonathan, you're more than welcome, and many thanks for this, you're very encouraging! Thanks again. Best wishes Keith --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder why you're being so defensive? Insulting? Well, if you insist on being insulted I guess there's no help for it. But believe me, Noam, if I'd set out to insult you I wouldn't have left it in any doubt whatsoever. As it is, I doubt anyone can see any insults other than you. This was certainly not my first attempt. I have made many test batches, and we made test batches in my class the previous week. And yes this was our first attempt making a 5 gallon batch. When I mixed the methoxide before we did it in blenders, before adding snip Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
