Re: [biofuel] Is using a metal propane tank for bio OK?
There shouldn't be any problems. A tank that thick should last a long time. Be sure the tank has been properly ventilated for a while before welding/drilling/tapping. Normal methods call for flushing with compressed air [while cutting or drilling] or rinsing with water. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ TJ Ferreira wrote: > Own a VW Westfalia which has a propane tank on drivers side. If I > were to buy a used westie propane tank and mount under passengers side > (there is a perfect spot where it will fit and has same bolt fittings > as drivers side does), drill proper hole for filling the tank and > finding some stopper for it, is there any reason it would not work > with diesel or biodiesel fuel. Plan is to use this small 2.25 gallon > size propane tank as a diesel or biodiesel tank for starting the > vehicle and then when up to temp switch over to the main 15 gallong > tank which now has wvo/svo fuel. Just not sure if propane tanks have > any issues with running diesel in or not. > > Thanks > > Thomas > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Regards > Nick > > P.S. I love my internal combustion engines and now I know that I can be > better for the environment and still play with them. Why push for alternative > energy when biofuel is a solution? > Biofuels are alternative energies! -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bush's Biodiesel Mower
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 10:33:41 -0400, you wrote: >murdoch wrote: >> Maybe "Dubya" should consider appointing Ken Englebrecht run the >> Department of Energy. >> > >He'll probably fire him when he finds out. > > A thought I also had. If so, maybe we can follow up on it. The Secret Service would be told to use a pretext of "National Security" even if they did not have any issue with the matter (the President's cooks would probably likewise be fired on National Security grounds if they fed him any sort of Organic food). Still, the President has made one or two "decent" symbolic moves on renewables. There are some solar panels somewhere on the White House grounds, for example, although it still appears to be completely illegal for the President to use the words "solar energy" more than once per quarter (if ever) in anything other than the most obscure possible speech. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel - Keith
MM, Thanks, because you took the time to give a good answer on this. I learned very early that it is difficult to generally discuss belief and politics. A defined subject or opinion can be discussed, but a religion is very difficult. This because that religion is traditionally a matter of rules, in a time when social behavior and in a very large part health issues, were totally dependent on the religion. Not to talk about the strong connection between acceptance of an authority and the theological teaching. Therefore I avoid to get into religious subject matters, which does not mean that they are not interesting. Religion is a very personal matter and is best kept on the personal level. At the same time the message of religion is tolerance and they are often the most common excuse for intolerance. Hakan At 17:37 01/06/2004, you wrote: >On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 11:37:11 +0200, you wrote: > > > > >Arthur, > > > >I am puzzled, have looked through the thread and have large difficulties > >to find any "I hate the Jews" in it. I find some interesting > >ideological and theological facts in it, but expressed in a respectful and > >objective way. I find no reasons for this "nobody likes us" postings. They > >would be more interesting without this below the belt "Lucifer" things. > > > >Hakan > >I haven't read many posts in this (or other) threads that I entirely >agree with, or entirely disagree with. > >1. With respect to your response to Arthur's comments, I agree with >you that he detracted from his own comments by descending into his >personal diatribe. > >2. On the other hand I was a little relieved to hear Arthur question >Luc's raising of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I stopped >reading most of Luc's comments directly not only when he raised this, >but given the manner in which he did so, and was disappointed in the >group that this and perhaps a few other of his comments were not >challenged more strongly. This is not to dismiss everything >out-of-hand that Luc has said. If someone wishes to take his comments >on a point-by-point basis and separate what they think is the bad from >the good, that's their affair. But I do not have much time, and >reading his ham-handed attempt to insert that particular topic into >what are probably in-need-of-discussion areas was a signal to me that >my time could be better spent elsewhere, and if we care about the >overall controversial topic, then I thought I might find better >reading of it elsewhere. > >2A): With respect to the issue of being on the lookout for a "I hate >the Jews" comment, I don't think that a hater or irrational-agenda >non-transparent-agenda person (of any sort) is going to make it that >easy for us. While you may not have intended for that method to be >taken so literally, I think it is worth using your comment as a >launching point for spelling this out to be aware that not >everyone is going to say everything they think in precisely the terms >they think it particularly if it could have them banned or get >them ostracized or cause their remarks to be less read. > >3. I tend to agree with Keith and Todd and others that generally the >unconditional-support-for-Israel by the American Government and Fourth >Estate is overdue for public discourse, though I may disagree with >them on many or all of the answers that we get or how we should pose >the questions. > >4. Religion: I regard one's personal religious or philosophic beliefs >as arguably the most important aspect of one's life. Others may not >agree, explicitly or in their hearts. Some may regard their political >orientation (e.g. "Conservative", "Social Democrat", whatever), or >their so-called race (Chinese, White, some variant, whatever... is >there even scientifically such a thing if we are all the "human" >race?) or their citizenship (French, Chinese, Nigerian, whatever) as >the de facto thing they spent the most time thinking about. Some >hobbies or interests may even be elevated to >near-supremely-important-to-us status. Others may have a different >way of approaching these important questions, speaking about their >work, their loved ones, their wealth, their health, etc. But I think >some would agree that one's "belief system" and following it (for want >of better words) is the most important thing in one's life. > >Most of us 6,000,000,000+ on this planet believe that we choose this >system, and have the right to change our minds and-or assert at some >point when we become adults what we are, and-or what we are not. Some >of us us have personal beliefs (or anti-beliefs) which do not fit so >readily into the conventional labels frequently provided in press >discussions of these issues. I don't know the numbers in part because >the mainstream press discussions are so infrequent. But it is not >just a matter of "Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, >Taoism, Shinto-ism, Other". That "Other" may be much bigger and far >more robust and diver
Re: [biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel - Keith
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 11:37:11 +0200, you wrote: > >Arthur, > >I am puzzled, have looked through the thread and have large difficulties >to find any "I hate the Jews" in it. I find some interesting >ideological and theological facts in it, but expressed in a respectful and >objective way. I find no reasons for this "nobody likes us" postings. They >would be more interesting without this below the belt "Lucifer" things. > >Hakan I haven't read many posts in this (or other) threads that I entirely agree with, or entirely disagree with. 1. With respect to your response to Arthur's comments, I agree with you that he detracted from his own comments by descending into his personal diatribe. 2. On the other hand I was a little relieved to hear Arthur question Luc's raising of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I stopped reading most of Luc's comments directly not only when he raised this, but given the manner in which he did so, and was disappointed in the group that this and perhaps a few other of his comments were not challenged more strongly. This is not to dismiss everything out-of-hand that Luc has said. If someone wishes to take his comments on a point-by-point basis and separate what they think is the bad from the good, that's their affair. But I do not have much time, and reading his ham-handed attempt to insert that particular topic into what are probably in-need-of-discussion areas was a signal to me that my time could be better spent elsewhere, and if we care about the overall controversial topic, then I thought I might find better reading of it elsewhere. 2A): With respect to the issue of being on the lookout for a "I hate the Jews" comment, I don't think that a hater or irrational-agenda non-transparent-agenda person (of any sort) is going to make it that easy for us. While you may not have intended for that method to be taken so literally, I think it is worth using your comment as a launching point for spelling this out to be aware that not everyone is going to say everything they think in precisely the terms they think it particularly if it could have them banned or get them ostracized or cause their remarks to be less read. 3. I tend to agree with Keith and Todd and others that generally the unconditional-support-for-Israel by the American Government and Fourth Estate is overdue for public discourse, though I may disagree with them on many or all of the answers that we get or how we should pose the questions. 4. Religion: I regard one's personal religious or philosophic beliefs as arguably the most important aspect of one's life. Others may not agree, explicitly or in their hearts. Some may regard their political orientation (e.g. "Conservative", "Social Democrat", whatever), or their so-called race (Chinese, White, some variant, whatever... is there even scientifically such a thing if we are all the "human" race?) or their citizenship (French, Chinese, Nigerian, whatever) as the de facto thing they spent the most time thinking about. Some hobbies or interests may even be elevated to near-supremely-important-to-us status. Others may have a different way of approaching these important questions, speaking about their work, their loved ones, their wealth, their health, etc. But I think some would agree that one's "belief system" and following it (for want of better words) is the most important thing in one's life. Most of us 6,000,000,000+ on this planet believe that we choose this system, and have the right to change our minds and-or assert at some point when we become adults what we are, and-or what we are not. Some of us us have personal beliefs (or anti-beliefs) which do not fit so readily into the conventional labels frequently provided in press discussions of these issues. I don't know the numbers in part because the mainstream press discussions are so infrequent. But it is not just a matter of "Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Shinto-ism, Other". That "Other" may be much bigger and far more robust and diverse than one might glean from such a listing. It may be very non-Theistic for some (including myself). Furthermore, of those who may identify themselves with the prior more well-defined listings, many may or may not in reality practice or believe or be knowledgeable about them. There are many who might have mixed thoughts, or not thoughts, or some variants on those themes. In some countries (including America I think) we generally try to practice the courtesy of allowing a person to say "I am such-and-such religion", or "I do not believe in such-and-such-religion" although we often get sloppy about it (sometimes labeling them with the putative religion of their parents whether they like it or not, for example), and the person speaking may often have a complex mixture of thoughts which may make his or her own answer either an oversimplification of their own beliefs, or they may be compelled to say that they cannot be ca
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel
Irshad, Please post your results to this list so we can see what you find. I have been wondering about cracking biodiesel. Thanks -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ irshad ahmed wrote: > Hi, > My name is Irshad and i am a new member to this group.I am a graduate student > in Chemical Engineering Dept in University of North Dakota. > I am trying to improve the cold flow properties of Biodiesel so that it can > be used in Aviation sector (JP-8).I am trying to improve the cold flow > properties by catalytic cracking and thermal cracking.In future we are going > to crack soybean oil and bidiesel and then we will compare the results > I would like to know is someone working on this same topic or they have some > idea how i can remove major percentage of glycerol from biodiesel (SME) or > from raw feed soybean oil which is our our feed for biodiesel. > > All of you have a great weekend, > Thank You, > Irshad Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bush's Biodiesel Mower
murdoch wrote: > Maybe "Dubya" should consider appointing Ken Englebrecht run the > Department of Energy. > He'll probably fire him when he finds out. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Bush's Biodiesel Mower
Exerpt from this week's evworld.com: Bush's Biodiesel Mower Just so I don't come off seeming too mean spirited, there is this piece of good news out of Crawford. I don't know if the President played much of a role in the decision to buy a new diesel mower for his Texas home, but according to a recent email from an EV World reader, his foreman, Ken Englebrecht, is burning biodiesel And that's not the only alternative fuel vehicle on the President's retreat. His Ford pickup runs on propane. I had a chance to meet Ken and see the presidential truck at the 2002 Clean Cities national convention in Oklahoma City. It's certainly encouraging to see that someone in the Bush Adminstration takes alternative fuels seriously. Maybe "Dubya" should consider appointing Ken Englebrecht run the Department of Energy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] outdoor cooking
This is a very interesting discussion. I personally think that a main factor is where you live. I am in Texas, about 125 miles from the gulf so AC is my main energy gobbler. My outdoor kitchen is in use at least 6 months of the year, so it is fully worth the investment of putting in a decent one. If I had the northern 12 weeks of summer, I may feel very different about the expense. I moved to Texas from another extreme environment, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. Several things transferred with me. One is a love of airlock style doors. Be it an enclosed porch or whatever, it sure cuts the cost of heating or cooling when the great outdoors does not directly meet your home environment. From reading the posts on this subject, I would guess how organized a person you are will also play a big role. I had to laugh at the post that listed 6 trips in and out to cook a meal. No offence intended, but I don't have time in my life for that sort of waste. I load a tray with everything I need and make 1 trip out and one back in when finished. I do have a sink and counter space. I have an toaster oven, hot plate, propane hot plate and grill all in my kitchen, so there is a degree of convenience that most people do not have. My outdoor kitchen was designed with the house as an integral part of the home. I have a small beverage fridge that lives in my breezeway between the house and the outdoors. This really cuts down on the trips in and out of the house. This fridge is only in operation during the months that the outdoor kitchen is. Another factor that I can see would play a big role is how much and what type of cooking one does. If one is a heat and serve type of cook who buy convenience foods, then the outdoor kitchen would be more of a pain than of use in any climate. At the other extreme, I grind my own wheat and make my own bread. All cooking is from scratch, so my kitchen is in use and generating lots of heat. Another factor might be what other uses you put your kitchen to. I am learning to make soap, I make candles and we practise home butcher. All of these activities generate odors that one may not want in the house, so again the outdoor kitchen is much appreciated. I am a serious fan of designing the house to fit the environment and uses that it will be put to. I believe that in the long run, this does make for a more energy efficient home. Bright Blessings, Kim Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Bubble washing.
Mark, I can confirm this as what I have observed in making bio from tallow, or having a fair percentage of it ~ 30%. It does tend to foam but I think this is more likely stearins as it ; left a lovely greasy residue when the tank was emptied, mist washing would tend to take it down to the bottom, where I nearly always found a lovely creme cheese layer of this stuff, I was not yet been able to make a batch without it, although a properly titrated acid base reation tends to minimise it. Is it harder to convert, no just a bit more work to seperate the eash products. Alledgedly if you make biodiesel, which no one here does! Just my experience in times past. Matt --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "girl_mark_fire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > allegedly it's an animal fats thing. I haven't personally dealt with > it because in the US we don't get fast food cooked in animal fats. > anyone else (ie australians, eaters of fine tallow fried ... er... > food), more info? Is 'normally used' animal fat harder to convert > fully than vegoil? > > > mark > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] building a diesel powered motorcycle
No. It is the Indian manufactured Enfield, with a 350cc diesel engine fitted. I am not sure if it is OEM, or aftermarket. regards Doug On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:49 am, Peer Plaut wrote: > Does royal enfield make a diesel? > i saw them advertsiing in a magazine > peer > Original Message --- > > > > > I am looking for plans for a diesel motorcycle. It does not have to be a > large bike, just something to get me to work and back.Ê I came across the > bio fuel web site and I think it is a great idea, Making your own fuel.Ê > Now I just need to find the way to make an inexpensive motorcycle.Ê I know > Royal Enfield sells one for app. $4,000.00 US dollars.Ê I want a recycled > bike.Ê Any help will be appreciated. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > href="http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html";>http://journeytoforever.org >/biofuel.html > Biofuels list archives: > href="http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/";>http://infoarchivenet/sgroup/ >biofuel/ > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups > Sponsor > > > ADVERTISEMENT href="http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=1299hbv9j/M=295196.4901138.60713053001176/D=g >roups/S=1705083269:HM/EXP=1086139819/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http://com >panion.yahoo.com" alt=""> src="http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/ya/yahoo_companion/lrec_companion_ >043004.gif" alt="click here" width="300" height="250" > border="0"> > src="http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=grou >ps/S=:HM/A=2128215/rand=963534118"> > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/";>http://groups.yahoo.com/group >/biofuel/Ê To unsubscribe from this group, send an email > to: href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">biofu >[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is > subject to the http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/";>Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] PVC
Well Keith, the stuff I'm speaking of is actually white here in the states but it is commonly used for water. More commonly for drainage. So let's hope were thinking of the same thing, It's signifigantly cheaper than steal plumbing. I'm finally getting my first diesel car tomorrow and, I will be making my first test batch before the end of the week. I'm building my processor from Girl Mark's design (it's so darned nice) very soon, you'd be suprised how quickly gave me a used water heater when I told him what I was using it for. Wish me luck, I should be running b100 before the end of the month. Thank you kindly, Steven P.S. I have referred nearly 100 skeptics to the Journey to Forever website. If only half of those check it out and realize how awesome this is I can only imagine what the people on the Journey to Forever have and will accomplish. Best wishes. Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Can PVC pipe be used in processing biodiesel, more specifically in >Girl Mark's fumeless processor? Hi Steven That's the waterpipes, right? Grey stuff. I use it with biodiesel, for instance as standpipes in the processor and settling tank, where it's exposed to the biodiesel, by-product, excess methanol, no problems. If you're going to do joints and right-angles and so on I don't know how the glue would take it. Best Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodiesel Homebrew Guide was Re: You ought to write a book.
no, the whole point is to have it be a hard copy. Mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi Mark, > > Can the book be purchased as a PDF? Or, on a CD? > > Derek > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel - Keith
Arthur Sauerhaft This remark reflects only on you the writer: "Luc, you must take your name really seriously, spreading hatred and lies to the ignorant, isn't your name short for Lucifer." How absolutely pathetic! Stuart Rogers --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, arthur sauerhaft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >I am reposting this because I accidently coppied all/most of the previous posting and was added to the end. > > > > > > I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE FOR WASTING BANDWIDTH ON THIS RANT, PLEASE FORGIVE ME > > Luc, > I am Jewish and I am a Zionist. > I have tried to stay out of this ugly hateful thread but I find myself > swept in because of your twisting of truths and binding them to lies. > Jews who are not Zionists can mostly be divided into two groups, those > that are not Zionist for theoligical reasons tied into the coming of the > Messiah (like Rabbi Teitelbaum) , and "left wing liberals" who in my > opinion care less about remaining Jewish and more about being > respected in their circles as politically correct Humanists. This is > material for another thread on another list. Rabbi Teitlebaum is more > concerned about his small Chasidic sect being the subject of secular > Jewish rulings that do not coincide with his interpretation of > trditional Jewish law. I, as an observant Jew respect his opinion but > I do not agree with it. > I would also argue that most Jews, secular and observant, are Zionists > to different degrees. There are many different definitions within the > Jewish community about what Zionism is , but the central belief is > that Israel, as a Jewish state has the right to exist. What it's > borders are and how it is governed is another debate. > Your exceptional naivete (to be generous) and your insensitivity to > regarding your previous posting quoting things like the "Protocols of > the Elders of Zion" just proves your ignorance. These documents are > proven scams and hate literature. I am suprised you do not quote "Mein > Kampf"(sp?) and proclaim Hitler and the Grand Inquisitors as tellers of > great truths. > You also probably wake up each morning(after checking the horizon for > the "black helicopters of the Apocalypse) looking for a reason why your > own life is unsatifactory and blame anyone but yourself. It is so easy > to imagine all the forces of the world conspired against you rather than > working out real solutions to your own shortcomings. Yes , Luc this is > personal , people like you spread hatred and kill far more people than > silly land grabs and commodity wars ever will. > Luc, you must take your name really seriously, spreading hatred and lies > to the ignorant, isn't your name short for Lucifer. > -Arthur Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Bubble washing.
allegedly it's an animal fats thing. I haven't personally dealt with it because in the US we don't get fast food cooked in animal fats. anyone else (ie australians, eaters of fine tallow fried ... er... food), more info? Is 'normally used' animal fat harder to convert fully than vegoil? mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >theories that different people have had aobut this type of foam: > > > >some kinds of oils make biodiesel that makes foam during washing > > What kinds of oils would those be? In other words, with good > conversion to within the standard specs for low mono- and > di-glyceride content, it still makes foam like another oil would with > poor conversion and high levels of mono- and di-g's? Mono-alkyl > esters of certain fatty acids will be more likely to foam than those > of other fatty acids? Or are you talking of the condition of WVO, > whether it's been overcooked, overheated, overwhatevered? > > Keith > > > >a lot of air being entrained in the biodiesel can form this sort of > >foam (I haven't seen this personally) > > > >several different factors about the water could prevent emulsion as > >well- but in some circumstances, you might still see odd effects such > >as foam: > > > >using hot water prevents emulsion > >hot temperatures outside will also inhibit it > >acidic water prevents emulsion > >minerals in the water inhibit emulsion but also inhibit washing out of > >soap > > > > > >--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "jayantharangaonkar" > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Dear all, > > > I have recently joined this group. > > > I have made the biodiesel, but during washing lot of foam formation > > > has occoured but no oil water emulsion has formed. I want to know > > > what can be the reasons & what actions to be taken. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Jayant Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans
Journey's website has lot's of info, but have not found any detailed plans to construct a condenser to recover methanol. (unless I missed it?) Can anyone point me in the directions to construct a condenser to process 5-20 gal of biodiesel waste (Glycerin, Methanol,etc) and convert to usable methanol again? Pictures appreciated Thank you, Kevin Shea [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel - Keith
Arthur, I am puzzled, have looked through the thread and have large difficulties to find any "I hate the Jews" in it. I find some interesting ideological and theological facts in it, but expressed in a respectful and objective way. I find no reasons for this "nobody likes us" postings. They would be more interesting without this below the belt "Lucifer" things. Hakan At 04:54 01/06/2004, you wrote: > >I am reposting this because I accidently coppied all/most of the > previous posting and was added to the end. > > > > > >I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE FOR WASTING BANDWIDTH ON THIS RANT, PLEASE FORGIVE ME > >Luc, >I am Jewish and I am a Zionist. >I have tried to stay out of this ugly hateful thread but I find myself >swept in because of your twisting of truths and binding them to lies. >Jews who are not Zionists can mostly be divided into two groups, those >that are not Zionist for theoligical reasons tied into the coming of the >Messiah (like Rabbi Teitelbaum) , and "left wing liberals" who in my >opinion care less about remaining Jewish and more about being >respected in their circles as politically correct Humanists. This is >material for another thread on another list. Rabbi Teitlebaum is more >concerned about his small Chasidic sect being the subject of secular >Jewish rulings that do not coincide with his interpretation of >trditional Jewish law. I, as an observant Jew respect his opinion but >I do not agree with it. >I would also argue that most Jews, secular and observant, are Zionists >to different degrees. There are many different definitions within the >Jewish community about what Zionism is , but the central belief is >that Israel, as a Jewish state has the right to exist. What it's >borders are and how it is governed is another debate. >Your exceptional naivete (to be generous) and your insensitivity to >regarding your previous posting quoting things like the "Protocols of >the Elders of Zion" just proves your ignorance. These documents are >proven scams and hate literature. I am suprised you do not quote "Mein >Kampf"(sp?) and proclaim Hitler and the Grand Inquisitors as tellers of >great truths. >You also probably wake up each morning(after checking the horizon for >the "black helicopters of the Apocalypse) looking for a reason why your >own life is unsatifactory and blame anyone but yourself. It is so easy >to imagine all the forces of the world conspired against you rather than >working out real solutions to your own shortcomings. Yes , Luc this is >personal , people like you spread hatred and kill far more people than >silly land grabs and commodity wars ever will. >Luc, you must take your name really seriously, spreading hatred and lies >to the ignorant, isn't your name short for Lucifer. >-Arthur Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel Homebrew Guide was Re: You ought to write a book.
Hi Mark, Can the book be purchased as a PDF? Or, on a CD? Derek > --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > She did actually have an $8 book (about 80 pages she'd printed out.. > .. > > it was not published with a hard cover or by a publishing house) > that > > she had written that she was selling at the end of class, as well. > I > > don't know if she has posted a spot online where you can order this > > (plus shipping, etc.). I'm sure some of us would rather see her > rake > > in payment-for-valuable information than watch Mr. Tickell rake in > > money for his work. > > > > That book that she wrote might fit your description, or if she > > collaborated to have people like Todd or Keith add their own areas > in > > it, or introductions to it, it might help add an extra level of > > anti-FTFT capability to it maybe just brief essays discussing > the > > importance of countering the bad info that is getting out there. > That > > would add a lot of work though. Fact is, she seemed to be selling > > something that might fit your suggestion. > > > > MM > > > > Hi all, > > Just got back home from my Arizona trip and am catching up on this and > other threads again. I just printed a few more copies of my 'Biodiesel > Homebrew Guide' book. It's 85 pages and is available by mail for $10 > (US, Canada and Mexico) or $14 to other countries. To order it you > have to use PayPal- go to PayPal.com to send the appropriate amount to > my account which is [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > thanks for the interest, > > mark > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel - Keith
Arthur Sauerhaft, How about putting a muzzle on your "ugly and hateful" comments? Discussing or airing perceptions, perspectives and viewpoints is not being "ugly or hateful." On the other hand, your intentionally derogatory personal attacks are and your bitter and unwarranted assault further substantiates the general perception of the radical nature of Zionism and -ists. As for your apology? No. It is not accepted, as you knew from the onset how far in the wrong you were going to be, yet you didn't care. Little children know better. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "arthur sauerhaft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel - Keith > > >I am reposting this because I accidently coppied all/most of the previous posting and was added to the end. > > > > > > I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE FOR WASTING BANDWIDTH ON THIS RANT, PLEASE FORGIVE ME > > Luc, > I am Jewish and I am a Zionist. > I have tried to stay out of this ugly hateful thread but I find myself > swept in because of your twisting of truths and binding them to lies. > Jews who are not Zionists can mostly be divided into two groups, those > that are not Zionist for theoligical reasons tied into the coming of the > Messiah (like Rabbi Teitelbaum) , and "left wing liberals" who in my > opinion care less about remaining Jewish and more about being > respected in their circles as politically correct Humanists. This is > material for another thread on another list. Rabbi Teitlebaum is more > concerned about his small Chasidic sect being the subject of secular > Jewish rulings that do not coincide with his interpretation of > trditional Jewish law. I, as an observant Jew respect his opinion but > I do not agree with it. > I would also argue that most Jews, secular and observant, are Zionists > to different degrees. There are many different definitions within the > Jewish community about what Zionism is , but the central belief is > that Israel, as a Jewish state has the right to exist. What it's > borders are and how it is governed is another debate. > Your exceptional naivete (to be generous) and your insensitivity to > regarding your previous posting quoting things like the "Protocols of > the Elders of Zion" just proves your ignorance. These documents are > proven scams and hate literature. I am suprised you do not quote "Mein > Kampf"(sp?) and proclaim Hitler and the Grand Inquisitors as tellers of > great truths. > You also probably wake up each morning(after checking the horizon for > the "black helicopters of the Apocalypse) looking for a reason why your > own life is unsatifactory and blame anyone but yourself. It is so easy > to imagine all the forces of the world conspired against you rather than > working out real solutions to your own shortcomings. Yes , Luc this is > personal , people like you spread hatred and kill far more people than > silly land grabs and commodity wars ever will. > Luc, you must take your name really seriously, spreading hatred and lies > to the ignorant, isn't your name short for Lucifer. > -Arthur > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: [evworld] Whence The Fuel For The Indy 500, NASCAR, Etc?
> murdoch wrote: > Very handy list, thanks. Your welcome. > At a glance, I'd like to find out the numbers for H2, and as to the > fuel cells, the important number is the one for the fuel, not the > cell, in my view though it is useful to know the weight of the > "engine" or other energy conversion device, particularly for certain > applications. For example, a car engine carries not only its own > weight and all attendant machinery, but the weight of its fuel and all > attendant machinery, over the lifetime of the vehicle. This has a > significant effect on the lifetime energy-usage of the device (car). If more is learned about fuel cell energy density to mass-or-volume please share with us and the use of links is helpful. As for H2 my interest is usually peaked when Robert Luis Rabello writes. The remainder of your commentary would be interesting hearing further views comparing electric and Internal Combustion Engines (ICE) to energy density storage device, of electrics and liquid fuel, replacement and its impact to engineering, monetary and environmental effects, etc. Such as hybrid vehicles improved efficiencies using a combination of liquid fuel ICE an electric control comparisons to electric and more traditional vehicles of today. > I prefer the way your lists are done (energy per unit mass) to the > other simplified direction (energy per unit volume at some sort of > generally defined conditions for temperature pressure, etc.) in part > because it's more scientific (both energy and mass are objectively > precisely defined without much fanfare especially if we do not > confuse mass with weight), but I do think that studying both is > important for full perspective. Additional information is welcomed and further conversions of energy density to volume such as the methanol link below which includes gasoline, diesel and others is welcomed. > For example, #2 Diesel is generally more energy dense than gasoline > per unit volume, although it is apparently (from the list you give) > slightly less energy dense per unit mass. And though Natural Gas is > apparently very energy dense per unit mass, I doubt that per unit > volume it has nearly the density of some of these other fuels, unless > it is compressed to a very strong extent, or liquified (similar > comments probably go for Hythane and Hydrogen). > > Aside from H2, I'd like to see numbers for DME, Vegetable Oil, > Hythane. > > MM The list archives has touched upon this one time or another IIRC. > > > murdoch wrote: > > > Both Methanol and Ethanol are somewhere around 70 or 80% energy > > > density of gasoline. Close enough, I think. Battery electric fuel is > > > not as energy dense as any of these liquid fuel, though I haven't > > > checked figures. > > > > Pasted below are some comparisons of energy density to mass > > in MegaJoules per kilogram (MJ/kg) for various forms and > > storage devices. Additional information is welcomed. > > > > Table 2. A Comparison of Different Fuel > > Lower Heat Values (LHV) for > > Burning Different Sources of Energy > > http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/cl3019 > > 53.18 MJ/kg Natural Gas > > 46.37 MJ/kg Propane > > 43.80 MJ/kg Gasoline > > 42.80 MJ/kg Diesel (#2) > > 37.80 MJ/kg Biodiesel > > 37.00 MJ/kg Fuel Oil (#1) > > 26.70 MJ/kg Ethanol > > 24.00 MJ/kg Coal > > 20.93 MJ/kg Coal (Sub-bituminous) > > 20.90 MJ/kg Methanol > > http://web.archive.org/web/20020713201640/http://www.geog.umd.edu/homepage/courses/jboberg/units.htm > > 19.97 MJ/kg Flax Straw (dry) > > 19.80 MJ/kg Wood Pellets > > 17.86 MJ/kg Wheat Straw (dry) > > 17.50 MJ/kg *Corn Stover (dry) > > 16.20 MJ/kg *Shelled corn (15 percent moisture) > > 15.43 MJ/kg Flax straw (20 percent moisture) > > 15.00 MJ/kg Wood (15 percent moisture) > > 13.74 MJ/kg Wheat straw (20 percent moisture) > > > > BATTERIES > > 0.396 - 0.576 MJ/kg Lithium-Ion > > 0.216 - 0.432 MJ/kg Nickel-Metal-Hydride > > 0.162 - 0.288 MJ/kg Nickel-Cadmium > > 0.108 - 0.180 MJ/kg Lead-Acid > > http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-3.htm > > > > ALTERNATIVE BATTERIES > > 0.0108 - 0.108 MJ/kg Ultracapacitors > > 0.0207 MJ/kg Compressed air tanks > > 1.39MJ/kg Superflywheel - Buckytubes give 10x this amount! > > 1.97MJ/kg Fuel cells > > 304K pg 14 of 29 PDF > > http://www.inf.ethz.ch/vs/events/dag2002/program/lectures/starner_2.pdf Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo
[biofuel] Re: Bubble washing.
>theories that different people have had aobut this type of foam: > >some kinds of oils make biodiesel that makes foam during washing What kinds of oils would those be? In other words, with good conversion to within the standard specs for low mono- and di-glyceride content, it still makes foam like another oil would with poor conversion and high levels of mono- and di-g's? Mono-alkyl esters of certain fatty acids will be more likely to foam than those of other fatty acids? Or are you talking of the condition of WVO, whether it's been overcooked, overheated, overwhatevered? Keith >a lot of air being entrained in the biodiesel can form this sort of >foam (I haven't seen this personally) > >several different factors about the water could prevent emulsion as >well- but in some circumstances, you might still see odd effects such >as foam: > >using hot water prevents emulsion >hot temperatures outside will also inhibit it >acidic water prevents emulsion >minerals in the water inhibit emulsion but also inhibit washing out of >soap > > >--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "jayantharangaonkar" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear all, > > I have recently joined this group. > > I have made the biodiesel, but during washing lot of foam formation > > has occoured but no oil water emulsion has formed. I want to know > > what can be the reasons & what actions to be taken. > > > > Regards, > > > > Jayant Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Second Helpings - was [biofuel] Re: Biodiesel Usage in NC
>Whoops. This was supposed to be a reply to Keith to a response he >left in the "oil an dIsrael" thread. How I managed to respond to >the wrong reply, I don't know. :-) It wasn't you Brian, it was the computer. I'll change the heading and put the previous message back again instead of the wrong one. >Brian > >--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Keith, > > > > As always, it seems that the solutions lie more in the efforts of > > individuals rather than government programs that funnel money to > > those who need it less while ignoring those in actual need. Yes, too often if not quite always. Horses designed by committees (fine beasts, camels). It often takes individuals too to hassle the government programs so some of it at least ends up in the right place. Trouble is that if the programs dry up the individual efforts usually can't take up the slack. The other trouble is that even when they work wonderfully such programs only address the symptoms, and they're seldom met by effective measures that deal with the true causes. >In > > Indy, there is a program called Second Helpings which is doing >great > > work. I was sure I had some information on them but I can't find it right now. Second Harvest, yes, which is in the links at the end of the "Hunger In America" article I posted: Second Harvest http://www.secondharvest.org Good folks. Also Bread For The World http://www.bread.org/ See especially "Hunger Basics": http://www.bread.org/hungerbasics/index.html Best wishes Keith >They "rescue" food about to be discarded by foodservice, >and > > prepare something on the order of 10,000 meals per year. Some of > > these meals are served at fancy banquets to pay expenses, while > > others are provided to the hungry. In the process, people without > > job skills are provided a stipend to live while being trained for > > jobs in foodservice. These are chef and management training > > programs, not dishwasher training, and graduates actually are able > > to get jobs that pay enough for them to live. All of this is done > > without any public money, relying only on sales of food that > > otherwise would have gone to waste. It's a small drop in the >bucket > > when it comes to the problem in Indy, but the benefit to those >they > > serve is far greater than any of the programs Darryl has been able > > to find in his web search. > > > > Brian > > >>--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Darryl Wagoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>wrote: >> (not to mention over $200 billion >> > > spent when children go >> > > hungry without health care right here in America). I >> > > for one expect a >> > > higher standard of proof and reason then we got from >> > > this administration. >> > >> > Yes, let's not mention it because it isn't true! There are all >>sorts of >> > food programs for children in this country and free or low cost >>health >> > insurance for children. Any hungry children or ones in need of >>medical >> > are in that condition because the parent(s) refuse to ask for help! >> > >> >> >>You don't work in social services do you? I can state with >>certainty that there are many children in inner city Indianapolis >>that don't have enough quality food to eat or access to adequate >>health care. I know because I see their parents on a daily basis. >>And, believe me, their parents ask repeatedly for help. It's just >>not available. I also know for a fact that these problems exist to >>an even greater degree in the isolation of rural areas right here in >>our own country. So, before you go spouting about what is and isn't >>true, please check the facts. >> >>Brian > >Hello Brian > >Very Victorian view, eh? - if they're poor/hungry it's their own fault. Ugly. > >This below might be useful, it's well-referenced and >well-corroborated, further resources linked at the end. The response >to such information from people who share Darryl's views is usually >denial though, they label it as "liberal BS" or whatever and dismiss >it. They prefer their cherished notions. As journalists often say, >don't let the facts f*** up a good story. > >Best wishes > >Keith > > >http://www.fhfh.org/hunger.html >FHFH - Hunger In America > >Despite a booming economy, a stock market that reached historic >heights in the last decade and reports of welfare reform success, >wages for many Americans have simply not risen fast enough to cover >the increased cost of living. To these Americans, food has become an >unaffordable luxury. In the past year, of those people seeking >emergency food relief, 35% - that's more than 1 in 3 - had to choose >between paying their rent and buying food. > >Based on the Census Bureau survey, USDA estimates that in 2000, 10.5 >million U.S. households were food insecure, meaning that they did >not have access to enough food to meet their basic needs. About 33 >million people lived in these households, including 20 million >adults and 13 million childr
RE: Re: [biofuel] building your own diesel motorcycle
The one US project of which I am aware is at http://f1engineering.com/ . They are building a Diesel motorcycle as part of the US military's one fuel program. (The military would like to be able to have all ground vehicles use diesel fuel to help with logistics.) It looks like a fairly nice bike. Unfortunately, the last update I got from them says that they don't have the resources to invest in DOT testing right now, so they are just delivering the military version. Based on this thread, I wonder if they would be willing to sell just the powertrain? I have to believe that there are enough knuckleheads out there who forgot to check or change the oil in their KLR650s to provide a few rolling chassises. Scott On Mon, 2004-05-31 at 16:29, Peer Plaut wrote: > It is my understanding that a major mc manufacture is going to build a > diesel, I think suzuki?? > Peer > > Original Message -- > > > > > HA I have had this very idea for years. Not too many engines out there > with > the proper requirements, most of the small engines I looked at are > industrial and do not have the capacity. It may be posible to use one of > the > new .8 liter Benz engines used in the SmartCar. It is a fun project I hope > to try one day. > -- Original Message -- > From: "tshadow6" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 9:47 PM > Subject: [biofuel] building your own diesel motorcycle > > > > Has anyone out there built a diesel powered motorcycle? If so, let > > me know, I believe it would be a good project. > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > href="http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html";>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > > href="http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/";>http://infoarchivenet/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > href="http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html";>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > href="http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/";>http://infoarchivenet/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups > Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT href="http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129gg4r4h/M=295196.4901138.60713053001176/D=groups/S=1705083269:HM/EXP=1086117104/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http://companion.yahoo.com"; > alt=""> src="http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/ya/yahoo_companion/lrec_companion_043004.gif"; > alt="click here" width="300" height="250" border="0"> > > > src="http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S=:HM/A=2128215/rand=900909608";> > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/";>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the href="http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/";>Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --~--> > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM > --~-> > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- Scott Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel - Keith
>I am reposting this because I accidently coppied all/most of the previous >posting and was added to the end. > > I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE FOR WASTING BANDWIDTH ON THIS RANT, PLEASE FORGIVE ME Luc, I am Jewish and I am a Zionist. I have tried to stay out of this ugly hateful thread but I find myself swept in because of your twisting of truths and binding them to lies. Jews who are not Zionists can mostly be divided into two groups, those that are not Zionist for theoligical reasons tied into the coming of the Messiah (like Rabbi Teitelbaum) , and "left wing liberals" who in my opinion care less about remaining Jewish and more about being respected in their circles as politically correct Humanists. This is material for another thread on another list. Rabbi Teitlebaum is more concerned about his small Chasidic sect being the subject of secular Jewish rulings that do not coincide with his interpretation of trditional Jewish law. I, as an observant Jew respect his opinion but I do not agree with it. I would also argue that most Jews, secular and observant, are Zionists to different degrees. There are many different definitions within the Jewish community about what Zionism is , but the central belief is that Israel, as a Jewish state has the right to exist. What it's borders are and how it is governed is another debate. Your exceptional naivete (to be generous) and your insensitivity to regarding your previous posting quoting things like the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" just proves your ignorance. These documents are proven scams and hate literature. I am suprised you do not quote "Mein Kampf"(sp?) and proclaim Hitler and the Grand Inquisitors as tellers of great truths. You also probably wake up each morning(after checking the horizon for the "black helicopters of the Apocalypse) looking for a reason why your own life is unsatifactory and blame anyone but yourself. It is so easy to imagine all the forces of the world conspired against you rather than working out real solutions to your own shortcomings. Yes , Luc this is personal , people like you spread hatred and kill far more people than silly land grabs and commodity wars ever will. Luc, you must take your name really seriously, spreading hatred and lies to the ignorant, isn't your name short for Lucifer. -Arthur Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] building a diesel powered motorcycle
Does royal enfield make a diesel? i saw them advertsiing in a magazine peer Original Message --- I am looking for plans for a diesel motorcycle. It does not have to be a large bike, just something to get me to work and back. I came across the bio fuel web site and I think it is a great idea, Making your own fuel. Now I just need to find the way to make an inexpensive motorcycle. I know Royal Enfield sells one for app. $4,000.00 US dollars. I want a recycled bike. Any help will be appreciated. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchivenet/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] building a diesel powered motorcycle
I am looking for plans for a diesel motorcycle. It does not have to be a large bike, just something to get me to work and back. I came across the bio fuel web site and I think it is a great idea, Making your own fuel. Now I just need to find the way to make an inexpensive motorcycle. I know Royal Enfield sells one for app. $4,000.00 US dollars. I want a recycled bike. Any help will be appreciated. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel - Keith
biobenz wrote: >>And where do you stand Luc? Are you bashing Jews or bashing >> >> >Zionists? > >My position is foremost that of critism of the Zionist oligarchy as >an aberation and a criminal enterprise, and that there exists a >clear division between "judaism" and "Zionism" is somewhat clear in >the links I provided to jewsagainstzionism.com and karaite-korner.org >There are many people who follow the "jewish faith" who do not >believe in or support the political aims of the Zionists of >expatriation of the indigenous peoples of Palestine not do they >condone the needless violence that is being perpetrated there. >As has been stated by respected Rabbis, foremost amongst which is >Grand Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum who said,"...it is our obligation to >make it known in order that everyone should understand that the >Zionists are not the nation of Israel...and it most definitely our >holy obligation to announce before those nations of the world that >the Zionists are not the spokespeople of the nation of Israel..." >the political state of Israel under the Zionists do not speak for >all the jewish people and that is clear. >The oil wars are the child of the Zionists and their supporters, of >whom the greatest and most vocal have been what is known as >christian-zionists, the enablers of not only the continued >injustices in Palestine but also that of Afghanistan and Iraq and >God knows where else in the future. >So, my beef is with those people, not the common man in the streets >who wants nothing to do with any of them, Christian, muslim or jew. >To lump all jews into the same boat as the Zionists is as >unreasonable as to lump all Christians in the same boat as Bush and >co. or all muslims in the same boat as the extremists. >I believe that should clarify who it is I take exception to. > >--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>Hello Matt >> >> >> >>>I am literally stunned by this outburst of hate. >>> >>> >>Is it quite that? >> >> >> >>>I am Jewish. Like 99% of Jews around the world, more than >>> >>> >anything I want a > > >>>true peace in the middle east. Jews are not some sort of >>> >>> >monolithic > > >>>force... or conspiracy... we are exactly like every other person >>> >>> >on this > > >>>earth. >>> >>> >>But what about the 1%? Patience, I beg you - withhold judgment at >>least until you've heard me out. I told Chris a few days ago it >>doesn't require a majority to hijack a democracy, a week ago >> >> >Jonathan > > >>told me not to "let one bad apple spoil an entire harvest". Do you >>think you and the other 99% like you (in other words all >> >> >different, > > >>like everyone else) are the target here? How representative of >> >> >that > > >>99% would someone like Paul Wolfowitz be, a Jew indeed, or Richard >>Perle, Douglas Feith, Michael Ledeen, also Jews? Do you view them >> >> >as > > >>kindred spirits? Is their kind of Judaism your kind of Judaism? >>(Donald Rumsfeld and Desmond Tutu and John Ashcroft and Mother >>Theresa and Jerry Falwell are all Christians, right?) Is it >> >> >perhaps > > >>missing the point to see Wolfowitz et al as Jews? They're also >>Zionist extremists. Or would it be more correct to say they're >> >> >also > > >>Jews? Of a sort. >> >> >> >>>The very idea that there is one way to interpret the Talmud in >>> >>> >itself shows > > >>>this man's ignorance. The Talmud is simply a commentary on the >>> >>> >Torah... > > >>>there are literally hundreds of opinions on every topic, and none >>> >>> >are > > >>>right... It is a discussion of ideas that spans centuries. It >>> >>> >is the > > >>>debate of ideas that defines Jewish belief and law. >>> >>>There are extremist interpretations of every tradition... Muslim, >>> >>> >Christian, > > >>>Jewish. >>> >>> >>Yes, the three great monotheistic religions. They really have far >>more in common than they have differences, and it's just these >>so-called "fundamentalist" extremist splinters that exacerbate the >>differences, at everybody's cost. In all three cases they appear >> >> >to > > >>have little or no idea of what the fundamentals are, or they're >> >> >dead > > >>against them. Funny, that. >> >>http://www.thenation.com/outrage/index.mhtml?pid=1463 >>Apocalyptic Revelations >> >> >> >>>The interpretation of the Talmud that you refer to is an >>>interpretation that is only believed by a few extremists, and is >>> >>> >not part of > > >>>modern Jewish understanding. >>> >>> >>This is what Talmud instructor Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss of the >>Orthodox Jewish community says about it. "Jews are forbidden to >> >> >take > > >>any action to make the end of exile come to pass, especially the >>Zionists' way which is through atrocity and evil decrees and >>sub
[biofuel] tomorrow-energy
Hi all, I recently took over as moderator of tomorrow-energy discussion group at yahoo.com Although politics is an integral part of energy, I would ask existing and new members to focus discussions on practical alternative energy solutions. Flaming, insults and endless/pointless diatribes will not be tolerated. Because of viruses and such, I have disabled attachments in posts, however anyone can upload photos, diagrams etc. to the files section and are most welcome. Alternative energy sources are finally starting to go mainstream. People need real options to defray ever mounting energy costs and gain some energy independance. I am looking forward to some enjoyable posts. Join tomorrow-energy news group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ regards Magnetism and Magnetic Physics http://www.alternate-energy.net/hist04-1b.html Electro-Magnetics http://www.alternate-energy.net/electromagnetic04.html Software Tools for Magnetic Field Visualization, electromagnetic and High Frequency Electromagnetic Simulation etc. http://www.alternate-energy.net/soft04.html Magnetic Levitation and Magnetic Physics resources http://www.alternate-energy.net/electrolev04b.html Alternative Energy Weekly News Alerts http://www.alternate-energy.net/newsalerts04-12.html Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Ethanol
Hello, Here in Australia there was a campain in the media about ethanol blends in fuel destroying engines, so now no ethanol in fuel without clear marking on fuel pumps, net result, general population formed to believe ethanol is bad for engines. Very little was said for the environmental advatages although Im not 100% sure that ethanol in Australia is manufactured from sustainable resourses. I just love how the media can form the populace into beleving somthing and not tell the whole story and in this case the oil industry very hapy about the outcome. Regards Nick P.S. I love my internal combustion engines and now I know that I can be better for the environment and still play with them. Why push for alternative energy when biofuel is a solution? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
location/listings of workshops [local-b100-biz] Re: [biofuel] You ought t
I try to post a current listing of workshops or events relating to biodiesel and SVo in California: www.groups.yahoo.com/group/norcal-biodiesel-events I'm also working on a website which will also have more of these listings in a non-list format, pretty much what Murdoch suggested. It should be up in a few weeks. other sources of biodiesel events listings: additional events listings sometimes turn up at www.veggieavenger. com/avengerboard and several other forums (http://biodiesel.infopop.cc has a separate events forum that doesn't get used very often, several local biodiesel project websites (such as boulderbiodiesel.com and berkeleybiodiesel.com) list events, and of course all the lists like yahoo biofuel and biodiesel lists sometimes recieve events listings from various posters. forums.biodieselnow.com has a good regional connections forum for regional US biodiesel activity, and it's anothjer source of info about get-togethers and workshops in the local areas. And there are also a few regional biodiesel groups on yahoogroups... --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "TJ Ferreira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Curious where Girl Mark does these workshops? Is it in Calfifornia > someplace. Would love to attend one. Is there any upcoming classes > and where? > > tj > > --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, girl mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I';m on the road with extremely limited internet access (am in fact > about > > to go hike in the mountains for three days so I"ll really be out of > touch) > > so I haven't been participating in this discussion. But... > > > > I'd love it if someone, someday, videotaped one of my 'how-to' > > presentations and made it available for free on the net. The main > problem > > is that setting up something like that is a phenomenal amount of > work and I > > have _NO_ free time to take it on after I get back to California > next weekend. > > > > Last week in Albuquerque my friends and I built a system (and made > liter > > batches and a fullsize batch of fuel)- and someone made a > bad-quality home > > video of the process. it's too low-quality to edit into something > > presentable for public use, but watching it made me realize that a > video of > > one of the classes would be a good tool for the public. It'd be good > if it > > were possible to make it available on the internet, though I'm not sure > > what this takes in terms of bandwidth or other downloading issues. > > > > As far as what Murdoch says about it potentially causing a drop in > > attendance at my workshops, I don't think that's a concern at all > (and it > > would be fine if it did anyway, I'm not doing this to make money). > The main > > problem for me is just the time involved in putting together a quality > > video sometime, and the large amount of work that goes into editing > > something like that (video production skill is something I > completely lack > > and am not interested in learning at this time...) > > > > Anyway I'll put some thought into making this happen someday. I > don't have > > any time to deal with it for the next couple of months but will keep my > > ears open for some way to make an internet video available. > > > > > > mark > > > > > > At 08:00 AM 5/24/2004 -0700, you wrote: > > >On Sun, 23 May 2004 22:03:55 -, you wrote: > > > > > > >Hey Keith, > > > > > > > >After lurking and occationally posting on this list, I gotta agree > > > >with you guys about Fryer to the Fuel Tank. I use it mostly these > > > >days for doing test batches. But, considering the wealth of info you > > > >and Todd Swearington and Girlmark have, you ought to collectively > > > >write something that would at least give Fryer to the Fuel Tank a run > > > >for its money. > > > >'specially considering your background in journalism. > > > >And it would be a great way to help support the work you guy are > > > >doing at JTF. > > > > > > > >What say we all? :o) > > > > > >I said to girl mark before I went to that intro class, and am saying > > >now, that I think at the least it would be a good idea to document > > >some of her presentation by shooting a video and editing it and making > > >it available on the net (yes, I know, some folks don't have the > > >bandwidth, but some do). That would be less work than sitting down to > > >write a book I guess, but on the downside, attendance and payment > > >might slip if more folks were able to get her info for free. > > > > > >She did actually have an $8 book (about 80 pages she'd printed out > > >it was not published with a hard cover or by a publishing house) that > > >she had written that she was selling at the end of class, as well. I > > >don't know if she has posted a spot online where you can order this > > >(plus shipping, etc.). I'm sure some of us would rather see her rake > > >in payment-for-valuable information than watch Mr. Tickell rake in > > >money for
[biofuel] Re: Bubble washing.
theories that different people have had aobut this type of foam: some kinds of oils make biodiesel that makes foam during washing a lot of air being entrained in the biodiesel can form this sort of foam (I haven't seen this personally) several different factors about the water could prevent emulsion as well- but in some circumstances, you might still see odd effects such as foam: using hot water prevents emulsion hot temperatures outside will also inhibit it acidic water prevents emulsion minerals in the water inhibit emulsion but also inhibit washing out of soap --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "jayantharangaonkar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear all, > I have recently joined this group. > I have made the biodiesel, but during washing lot of foam formation > has occoured but no oil water emulsion has formed. I want to know > what can be the reasons & what actions to be taken. > > Regards, > > Jayant Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: Re: [biofuel] building your own diesel motorcycle
It is my understanding that a major mc manufacture is going to build a diesel, I think suzuki?? Peer Original Message --- HA I have had this very idea for years. Not too many engines out there with the proper requirements, most of the small engines I looked at are industrial and do not have the capacity. It may be posible to use one of the new .8 liter Benz engines used in the SmartCar. It is a fun project I hope to try one day. - Original Message - From: "tshadow6" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 9:47 PM Subject: [biofuel] building your own diesel motorcycle > Has anyone out there built a diesel powered motorcycle? If so, let > me know, I believe it would be a good project. > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchivenet/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchivenet/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodiesel Homebrew Guide was Re: You ought to write a book.
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > She did actually have an $8 book (about 80 pages she'd printed out.. .. > it was not published with a hard cover or by a publishing house) that > she had written that she was selling at the end of class, as well. I > don't know if she has posted a spot online where you can order this > (plus shipping, etc.). I'm sure some of us would rather see her rake > in payment-for-valuable information than watch Mr. Tickell rake in > money for his work. > > That book that she wrote might fit your description, or if she > collaborated to have people like Todd or Keith add their own areas in > it, or introductions to it, it might help add an extra level of > anti-FTFT capability to it maybe just brief essays discussing the > importance of countering the bad info that is getting out there. That > would add a lot of work though. Fact is, she seemed to be selling > something that might fit your suggestion. > > MM Hi all, Just got back home from my Arizona trip and am catching up on this and other threads again. I just printed a few more copies of my 'Biodiesel Homebrew Guide' book. It's 85 pages and is available by mail for $10 (US, Canada and Mexico) or $14 to other countries. To order it you have to use PayPal- go to PayPal.com to send the appropriate amount to my account which is [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks for the interest, mark Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biomass Could Reduce CO2 Emissions, Report Says
Keith: Here is the information: Conversion Processes 9700 Elmira Circle Sacramento, CA 95827-1120 Tele/Fax: 916-363-9705 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ABDELMALIK PATENT Process for coal or biomass fuel gasification by carbon dioxide extracted from a boiler flue gas stream Patent Number: US5937652 Publication date: 1999-08-17 Inventor(s):ABDELMALEK FAWZY T (US) Applicant(s): Requested Patent: US5937652 Application Number: US19970987028 19971209 Priority Number(s): US19970987028 19971209; US19920977138 19921116; US19940251322 19940531; US19930011870 19930201 IPC Classification: F01K17/00 EC Classification: F01K23/06G , C10J3/54 EC Classification: F01K23/06G; C10J3/54 Equivalents: Abstract Carbon dioxide; from a boiler flue gas stream is separated, recycled and utilized for gasification of coal or biomass to increase fuel utilization and to decrease the carbon dioxide emissions into the atmosphere. Data supplied from the [EMAIL PROTECTED] database - l2 Biomass Reformation with Carbon Dioxide - USP5,937,652 (Abdelmalik, F.T.) 6CO2 + C6H12O6 > 12CO + 6H2O carbon dioxide glucose carbon monoxide CAS No.124-38-9CASNo. CAS No.630-08-0 2CO + O2 -->CO2 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: [evworld] Whence The Fuel For The Indy 500, NASCAR, Etc?
Very handy list, thanks. At a glance, I'd like to find out the numbers for H2, and as to the fuel cells, the important number is the one for the fuel, not the cell, in my view though it is useful to know the weight of the "engine" or other energy conversion device, particularly for certain applications. For example, a car engine carries not only its own weight and all attendant machinery, but the weight of its fuel and all attendant machinery, over the lifetime of the vehicle. This has a significant effect on the lifetime energy-usage of the device (car). I prefer the way your lists are done (energy per unit mass) to the other simplified direction (energy per unit volume at some sort of generally defined conditions for temperature pressure, etc.) in part because it's more scientific (both energy and mass are objectively precisely defined without much fanfare especially if we do not confuse mass with weight), but I do think that studying both is important for full perspective. For example, #2 Diesel is generally more energy dense than gasoline per unit volume, although it is apparently (from the list you give) slightly less energy dense per unit mass. And though Natural Gas is apparently very energy dense per unit mass, I doubt that per unit volume it has nearly the density of some of these other fuels, unless it is compressed to a very strong extent, or liquified (similar comments probably go for Hythane and Hydrogen). Aside from H2, I'd like to see numbers for DME, Vegetable Oil, Hythane. MM On Mon, 31 May 2004 16:59:48 -0500, you wrote: >> murdoch wrote: >> Both Methanol and Ethanol are somewhere around 70 or 80% energy >> density of gasoline. Close enough, I think. Battery electric fuel is >> not as energy dense as any of these liquid fuel, though I haven't >> checked figures. > > Pasted below are some comparisons of energy density to mass > in MegaJoules per kilogram (MJ/kg) for various forms and > storage devices. Additional information is welcomed. > > Table 2. A Comparison of Different Fuel > Lower Heat Values (LHV) for > Burning Different Sources of Energy > http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/cl3019 > 53.18 MJ/kg Natural Gas > 46.37 MJ/kg Propane > 43.80 MJ/kg Gasoline > 42.80 MJ/kg Diesel (#2) > 37.80 MJ/kg Biodiesel > 37.00 MJ/kg Fuel Oil (#1) > 26.70 MJ/kg Ethanol > 24.00 MJ/kg Coal > 20.93 MJ/kg Coal (Sub-bituminous) > 20.90 MJ/kg Methanol > http://web.archive.org/web/20020713201640/http://www.geog.umd.edu/homepage/courses/jboberg/units.htm > 19.97 MJ/kg Flax Straw (dry) > 19.80 MJ/kg Wood Pellets > 17.86 MJ/kg Wheat Straw (dry) > 17.50 MJ/kg *Corn Stover (dry) > 16.20 MJ/kg *Shelled corn (15 percent moisture) > 15.43 MJ/kg Flax straw (20 percent moisture) > 15.00 MJ/kg Wood (15 percent moisture) > 13.74 MJ/kg Wheat straw (20 percent moisture) > > BATTERIES > 0.396 - 0.576 MJ/kg Lithium-Ion > 0.216 - 0.432 MJ/kg Nickel-Metal-Hydride > 0.162 - 0.288 MJ/kg Nickel-Cadmium > 0.108 - 0.180 MJ/kg Lead-Acid > http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-3.htm > > ALTERNATIVE BATTERIES > 0.0108 - 0.108 MJ/kg Ultracapacitors > 0.0207 MJ/kg Compressed air tanks > 1.39MJ/kg Superflywheel - Buckytubes give 10x this amount! > 1.97MJ/kg Fuel cells > 304K pg 14 of 29 PDF > http://www.inf.ethz.ch/vs/events/dag2002/program/lectures/starner_2.pdf > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Biofuels list archives: >http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > >Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. >To unsubscribe, send an email to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
