[biofuel] filtering the stuff
i have an 83 MB diesel. last week i filtered 15 gallons of fuel oil. i filtered through a wire mesh filter and some nylon. about 10 miles into the tank my primary filter clogged up. how do you filter. what micron size does nylons filter to? i appreciate any ideas. thanks, Ross outside Chicago The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] f-250 pu
I have a 97 7.3 Ford F-250 diesel.Can anybody tell me proscons of changing over?also would like to know to what,biofuel,svo,wvo or whatever els their is.thank you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Home for the Processor
Luc, Sounds like a great self contained way of doing things. I look forward to seeing the pics. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, biobenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am still in the final completion stage of the cabinet and will be putting together a pictorial how I did it sort of thing once complete. As for the Standpipe design, please see Sean Park's Standpipe Wash Tank Design at: http://www.veggieavenger.com/avengerboard/viewtopic.php?t=333) Personally, this combo works, as it is compact, discreet and mobile. The capacity of the water heater can be found on the small metal plate on it's side. Should the initails imp appeear next to the volume that means Imperial measurements, not US. For a handy conversion table from/to metric/US/Imperial see: http://www.teaching-english-in-japan.net/conversion/celsius Remember though that if it says 30gal imp that even though that is about 4.05 liters to the gal or about 125 liters that is not the volume of BD you will be making as you have to allow for the volume of methoxide and mixing space. I figure that if I stick with 80 liter batches in one of these I should be OK; maybe not, I will post any flubs in the plans :) My plans were made off the cuff and customised to the height and space I have available. The original idea was to have the cabinet next to the Benz in the heated garage where the plumbing only allows a maximum 6' clearance, so that is what I had to work with, and I wanted it mobile (on casters) to ba ble to move it about should I need to. The stubby water heater by Giant (Rheem probably has one too) is 36 1/2 high and 24 diameter which is neat 'cause that is roughly the same as one of those poly 45 gal drums I am going to use as a wash tank. The processor,pump and tank sit on a shelf that allows clearance for 22 liter pails under it, the plumbing for the wash tank goes through the floor of this shelf and the whole thing has about 6-8 inches head clearance above the processor so I drilled vent holes on top and two sides for a little air circulation vis a vis the processor and wash tanks. The whole thing is presently undergoing a paint job to gun metal grey (a good, blend into the background colour) :)The cabinet also has a fold out table from one of the sides to be used a s awork station for titration and for a pre-heat tank that will be feeding the intake pump. The pre-heat tank is also about 30 liters and will fit under the internal shelf for storage. There is room betweem the procesor and wash tanks to have a 12 wide shelving arrangement to accomodate the methoxide and other related BD making stuff. All very compact. As for actual plans, I will have to digress to those in the know as this is the first time I have ever in my half century life attempted to build anything like this, but I will have a mess of photos (I am taking them as I go) hoping that the proverbial photo is worth a thousand words fills in where I lack in actula knowledge :) Long winded uh? Luc --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Steven Pfaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luc, Happy to hear you found a home for your processor. I am currently looking for a new home for myself before I begin construction, however I have recently accuired two electric water heaters. Not quite sure of the volumes of either just yet as they have just been shoved into storage until the moment I wake up the day after my move, I think they are 20-30 gallons and 40-50 gallons. I am still looking for ideas for how I want to wash my fuel though. Do you by chance have a link for the standpipe wash tank you spoke of? I'd love to take a look at it. I am also building my processor after girl-mark's design. Thanks, Steven biobenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having had the bright idea of building a Fumeless Processor on G- Mark's design along with the Sean Park's Standpipe wash tank I was in need of a compact way to house it all as I live in an urban setting (an apartment) So I figured I would build a cabinet which could accomodate the two side by side with storage space under for 22 liter pails, and the plan came together fairly well. The cabinet is built, mostly painted, butthen the torpedo came in the form of the landlord who insisted he did not want any closed cabinets in the heated garage, even if it DID sit next to the Benz that I am paying rent for. A home was needed, so I approached the organic farmer we deal with on the weekend and it looks like the cabinet and it's contents now have a home where there is electricity to power the unit and water to wash with. This may force my hand of sorts to use potassium hydroxide instead of the easier-to-use sodium hydroxide as then he could use the by- product as a crop fertilizer once the methanol is recovered (if I understand it right), so there's
Re: [biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel - fox
I am a neutral observer. It does not appear that way. To distinguish between what is just and what is not. Jews have taken other peoples' homes and have driven them out of their land. Not all jews are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jews. At the time many(to be fair, not all) Arabs left their homes voluntarily with the promise of their leadership that they would be back within days, after they had pushed the Jews into the sea. i understand that all the arabs have accepted the fact that Isreal is to exist. This is incorrect, most Arabs have not accepted Israel's right to exist, and the ones that have, have not done so in spirit. They have offered to live in peace provided Isreal returns all the land it stole from the arabs in 1967. That is also incorrect, even if Israel returned to pre '67 borders there are many Arabs who would not be satisfied until they Israel is abolished entirely. Israel tried cutting deals with the Arabs and to both Israel and the some moderate Arabs it ended in disappointment and chaos sparked by right wing Arabs (most recently the failure of Arab leadership to abide by Oslo accords). Why have Jews rejected it? It is not the Zionists who have rejected overtures for peace when they made sense, it is Hamas and Fatah and their likes that have consistently destroyed the atmosphere of negotiation and hope. Israel right now is involved in a unilateral peace plan because the Arabs cannot present a unified front at the table. I'm sure many of you will dismiss this as propaganda and spin, let me remind you of what good partners Israel and Egypt are once a deal was cut.. The Palistineans (here I mean their divided cuththroat leadership) have never failed to miss or destroy an opportunity. -Arthur Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] WVO in my Hummer
Not sure about the coolant line heaters. I'm sure your plastic tank will be safe up to, at least, 200 Deg, F. as for links to kits I found these on veggieavenger.com http://www.greasecar.com/ http://www.greasel.com/ http://www.elsbett.de/ http://www.biofuels.ca/ Good luck and have fun, Steven Boston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Everyone, I'm new to the Bio-fuel scene. I am planning on buying a heater kit for my 1996 6.5l TD Hummer Wagon. I've been very intrigued in the WVO usage and would love to do my part in helping the environment. I've seen a couple heater kits, and I like the On demand inline heater with the easily accessible filter. I live in Phx Arizona, and right now it's a good 110 degrees during my afternoon drive home from work. So I tried some SVO in my second tank to see how everything would re-act, and it did great. No problems at all. I'm now ready to buy a full system, and convert my 17gallon rear tank to WVO. Couple questions... 1.Are the Coolant line heaters hard to install? It seems like it would be difficult to run the lines. Maybe someone close would be willing to come over and help me out with the installation? I'll of course take you for a ride. 2. The tank I have right now is hard plastic, Should I worry about it getting too hot with the 170 degree WVO when it gets heated? Or should it be alright? Maybe some websites with some nice kits for sale? Or someone whom has input on certain Kits. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks -Boston Bryce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] I need large amounts of Biodiesel
my word, 75 gallons of fuel a day for one vehicle!! I think that were you to take on the challenge of making this amount of fuel yourself, you would find yourself very busy. I won't discourage you, but just know that it is indeed time consuming. But you would save a HUGE amount of money!. If this vehicle is not under warrantee any longer I suggest just converting it to run on straight vegetable oil. then all you have to do is filter the used restaurant oil. I convert these cars for a small fee (around 8-900 dollars) and would be happy to help. jamie merkle 617 969 2489 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Macro Economics Plant Fuel Stats?
Dear Keith, I have combed the archives and can't seem to find what I'm looking for. Therefore, if I'm asking for information that has already seen discussion, please just point me in the right direction. I'm preparing a presentation to the AMA (Alberta Motor Assoc.), and I'd like to find some statistics that put plant-based fuels into perspective. Statistics that hypothesize the amount of arable acres necessary to operate x % of vehicles on plant-based fuels (specifically oilseed). Or, details on the canola situation, and how many vehicles can operate on currently planted acres. I also remember hearing something about the potential utilization of idle acres to significantly ease the fuel situation. Furthermore, BIOX (www.bioxcorp.com) claims, BIOX is the only process that can compete at a remarkable $0.07/litre CAD. This new technology makes biodiesel the most cost-effective green fuel available and competitive with petroleum diesel on the market. At the current bulk vegetable oil price of $0.77(CAD)/Litre, that's a fairly attractive price. Does their process look viable to you? All the best, Joey Hundert Edmonton, AB Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Looking for a MZB wagon or VW wagon diesel for sell in Central CA
Hello folks I'm Looking for a 87 or newer Mercedes wagon or 85 or newer VW Jetta or Passat wagon diesel for sell in Central I now own a 1995 Nissian Maxima which is very clean I will trade or just buy please email me @ [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you know of any one that doesn't mind being a slave to OPEC Thanks DRW Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] VW TDI SVO users?
wow, you have my favorite car ever! i would love to be able to take a look at it when you've done the conversion. i also live here in oregon and like the idea of converting one of them to svo or wvo. unfortunately i don't have a wagon and the cars that i do have i haven't had the chance to convert yet. oh well. someday. erik i also live in oregon. gresham area. --- wildistheway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am new to this list having just bought a 96 VW Passat TDI Wagon. I want to convert it to run on SVO and am looking for any out there who have successfully made the conversion. I live in Oregon and am ready to go on this once I am confident it will work well on TDI's. Thanks Much, Daniel __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Making Methanol from Glycerin ( was Re: Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans )
Can anyone spot flaws in my theory? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 10:14 Subject: [biofuel] Making Methanol from Glycerin ( was Re: Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans ) You know, I wasn't fully awake and definitely was not tracking correctly when I first read the subject line, but, I think that it was probably a good thing. What I read was Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol ( totally missed the condenser part ), and was thinking that here was a idea that allowed people to use the glycerin by-product to make methanol. When I read the message, I realized that I had made a mistake, but, thinking about that mistake, I thought that it might just be possible. Now I'm sure that someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but, does not water and glycerin mix well? Then if that is the case, the solution would be a water / hydrogen carbon solution, similar to that of sugar water, which according to Walt Patrick mentioned can be used to produce Syn Gas, then converted to methanol. Please, let me know your thoughts about this possibility. Greg H. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: floating gummy film
Todd, It is from a restaraunt. I've since gotten good results from another batch of oil from them, but this batch was mixed a little with residual motor oil and gasoline. The main formation of the gum was on the top, but after pumping it into another container I realized that it had formed sparadically through the batch. I've tried to strain it out, but it clogs all but my basic strainer. Thanks! David --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, What type of shoppe did you acquire this oil/fat from and have you enquired as to the type of oil/fat they use? How thick does this layer get after cooling or do the entire contents thicken? Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: dlgeorgetn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 12:37 AM Subject: [biofuel] floating gummy film Hello, Just wondering if anyone has experienced a gummy film that forms on the top of biodiesel. After washing it I thought I would heat it to dry it and to boil off any remaining methanol. When I started to drain it a thick gummy film immediately started forming. No sooner did I remove it when it reappeared. It continued to form - and get thicker until it cooled to room temperature. Any thoughts on what it is, if it is dangerous, and what it means? Thanks, David Goerge Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Cost of Methanol in US
Todd, I believe that it is unmixed, but I should probably check to make sure. It seems pure, and they asked if I wanted additives. But You're right I may be assuming too much. Would I get consistently bad results if it were mixed? David --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, Are you sure this is anhydrous/unmixed methanol? You have to specifically request this or you may be getting alcohol mixed with oil and additives. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: dlgeorgetn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 12:39 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Cost of Methanol in US I'm getting it in Tennessee from a local race shop for $95/55 gallons. You have to supply your own drum though. David --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi Gary, I pay $28.00 per 5 gal can and $179.00 per 50 gal (not 55 gal) drum. I live in NY, but purchase my Methanol in Connecticut at a racing fuel place. -Kevin I am jst wondering how much methanol cost in the US. My local supplier in NW Montana quoted me $196 for 55 gal. This works out to about a $1.40 / gal of finished product not including reclaiming methanol. Thank you Gary Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Abrupt Climite Change the 'Day after Tomorrow' movie
To help educate movie viewers, [Natural Resources Defense Council] NRDC has created the website http://www.GetTheRealScoop.org and the Environmental Literacy Council has concocted a movie-related webpage, http://www.enviroliteracy.org/article.php/1146.html plus FAQs about the science behind the film have been released by the Union of Concerned Scientists http://www.nsidc.org/news/press/day_after/ , the National Snow and Ice Data Center http://www.nsidc.org/news/press/day_after/ , and the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution http://www.whoi.edu/institutes/occi/currenttopics/abruptclimate_dayafter.html . Better yet, Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.) are rumored to be preparing to bring their Climate Stewardship Act up for consideration again in the Senate in the next few weeks, defiant after the bill's closer-than-expected loss last October and buoyed by increased public attention to the issue of global warming. http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=17067 Muckraker: The 'Day after Tomorrow' never dies - Grist Magazine 06.07.04 - For more environmental news and humor, sign up for Grist Magazine's e-mail list. www.gristmagazine.com/signup/subgrist.asp Even after grapefruit-sized hail and monster tornadoes assault major cities in the Northern Hemisphere in the film The Day After Tomorrow, Jack Hall, a paleoclimatologist from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, still can't get the ballooning crisis of global warming through the thick skull of the vice president. I think we're on the verge of a major climate shift! You need to start thinking about large-scale evacuations! If we don't act now it's going to be too late! implores Hall. To which the veep responds coolly, That is not amusing, professor. Have you lost your mind? Subtle is not how you'd characterize Roland Emmerich's cinematic portrait of a fierce struggle between warrior scientists from NOAA and the oppressive powers that be -- powers personified by a fictional vice president who happens to be the spitting image of his real-life counterpart. In an amusing case of life imitating art (to use the term loosely), Bush administration officials stalled the release of a website on abrupt climate change, http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/abrupt/ which was developed by a team at NOAA's paleoclimate program to coincide with the release of the film, according to insiders who worked on the project. The site was put together to make years of paleoclimate research on abrupt climate shifts accessible to Day After Tomorrow viewers attempting to make sense of the fact and fiction behind the movie's science (to use another term loosely). We thought this movie presented an incredible education opportunity to create a public dialogue that would demystify these widely misunderstood problems and showcase some of the things we do here at NOAA to help observe the earth system, said Mark McCaffrey, a NOAA science communications specialist and lead author of the site. After all, a blockbuster thriller starring a NOAA scientist that grosses $86 million its opening weekend in U.S. theaters is not the kind of pop-culture glory that comes often to the world of paleoclimatology. But the White House apparently didn't share McCaffrey's enthusiasm. After he got permission from high up the chain of command at NOAA to go live with the website, word then came down that the site was indefinitely on hold -- with no further explanation, McCaffrey said. Several staffers at NOAA who spoke on condition of anonymity said the embargo came directly from the White House. Bob Hopkins, communications director for the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, to which NOAA typically reports, however, told Muckraker that his office had no part in stalling the launch of the website. If there was a holdup, it wasn't coming from this office, he said. Whatever source of authority imposed the delay had a change of heart. As a media storm gathered around the film and NOAA was hit with repeated inquiries about the abrupt-climate-change website rumored to be in development, the agency finally got the green light from above. In hindsight, it's not much of a surprise given that [weeks ago] NASA scientists had been ordered to keep mum about the film, said a paleoclimate scientist who worked with McCaffrey on the site and asked to remain anonymous. But we're out here in Boulder and somehow we never got the message that we weren't supposed to be doing this. It's no mystery why the Bush administration would want to avoid the subject of the film. At times, it seems Emmerich is deliberately trying to get the administration's goat and capitalize on controversy to boost viewership. And it was only four months ago that the Bush administration took a media blow when word got out about a Pentagon report suggesting that abrupt climate change could pose a threat to
Re: [biofuel] Newbie questions regarding Biodiesel.
Why not address all four points? 1) The energy content of B-100 is only ~3% less than petroleum distillate fuel oil. 2) Energy loss can only be as much as the reduction in energy content. 3) Create your own filling station. 4) Service should be no more frequent than OEM recommendations at ~3,000 mile intervals. What most would take interest in is hearing/seeing the manufacturer's specs/recommendations. Sure. If switching from petrol to B-100, even I would recommend more frequent maintenance of the fuel and lubrication systems. But after the entire system has been cleaned out? Maybe inspect the oil every 2,000 miles until all cautions are met, but no more than that. Might also depend upon the feedstock of the biodiesel. Certainly it would be wiser to check the pan with some frequency, perhaps twice often, when running fuel derived from drying oils or fish oils or those stocks heavily contaminated with either. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: pieter van eeten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:08 AM Subject: [biofuel] Newbie questions regarding Biodiesel. Hi, As a newbie I became aware of the possibilities of Biodiesel 2 weeks ago. Im interested in making my own biodiesel for my LandRover Td5. Furthermore at my work I'm responsible for the purchase of diesel for 230 trucks. I would like to make it my goal to switch all of the above to Biodiesel. Now last week i spoke to a managing director from 2 German firms one of whitch switched to biodiesel which he says he regrets for the following reasons: - fuel consumption went up - power went down - for refueling truchs need to find a BD station petro diesel isn't an option anymore - service intervalls got in half The last piont has been varrified by truck manufactorers we use. Can anybody inform me on the other 3 pionts, please? Many thans from a new wannabee BD enthousiast! Pieter. _ Nieuw: Hotmail Medium, Large, Extra Large en Extra Extra Large http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=nl-nlpage=hotmail/es2 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] f-250 pu
At 08:25 PM 6/7/2004 +, you wrote: I have a 97 7.3 Ford F-250 diesel.Can anybody tell me proscons of changing over?also would like to know to what,biofuel,svo,wvo or whatever els their is.thank you. Hiya, I have a '97, 7.3 F250 as well. I've been running it on Bd for about a year now with no problems. The only rubber components in the fuel line are the hoses to/from the fuel pump (short little things) an o-ring on the fuel pump itself and a large o-ring (gasket?) that seals the fuel filter cap when it's threaded down tight. My hoses went bad (before using bd) so I just asked the mechanic to replace them with viton. My O-rings are still rubber and haven't had a problem at all so far (a year running on them as well). I believe that if your bd is good quality, there isn't any problem with rubber degradation other than you'd find normally. (anecdotal evidence) I've been twiddling with the thought of running one tank on wvo and the other on bd, so am glad you asked about wvo in '97 F250's. I've heard that it's workable, but haven't any experience with it. Anyone out there who has? HeidiWD To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but also treasonable to the American public. - Theodore Roosevelt, 1918 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Macro Economics Plant Fuel Stats?
The following link provides some insight into large scale production of oil: http://planningcommission.nic.in/reports/genrep/cmtt_bio.pdf This study investigates the potential in India for producing Jatropha oil on idle land and using it to displace up to 20% of existing petro diesel usage. The study projects about 1000 lb. of oil production per acre, less than some other oil crops, but not bad considering that it grows on marginal land and requires very little rain and maintenance. Bruce Colley, Sustainable Energy Project http://www.sustainableenergyproject.org - Original Message - From: Joey Hundert To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:37 PM Subject: [biofuel] Macro Economics Plant Fuel Stats? Dear Keith, I have combed the archives and can't seem to find what I'm looking for. Therefore, if I'm asking for information that has already seen discussion, please just point me in the right direction. I'm preparing a presentation to the AMA (Alberta Motor Assoc.), and I'd like to find some statistics that put plant-based fuels into perspective. Statistics that hypothesize the amount of arable acres necessary to operate x % of vehicles on plant-based fuels (specifically oilseed). Or, details on the canola situation, and how many vehicles can operate on currently planted acres. I also remember hearing something about the potential utilization of idle acres to significantly ease the fuel situation. Furthermore, BIOX (www.bioxcorp.com) claims, BIOX is the only process that can compete at a remarkable $0.07/litre CAD. This new technology makes biodiesel the most cost-effective green fuel available and competitive with petroleum diesel on the market. At the current bulk vegetable oil price of $0.77(CAD)/Litre, that's a fairly attractive price. Does their process look viable to you? All the best, Joey Hundert Edmonton, AB Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] WVO in my Hummer
Hello BB, welcome Have you seen this? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html Straight vegetable oil as diesel fuel Best wishes Keith Hello Everyone, I'm new to the Bio-fuel scene. I am planning on buying a heater kit for my 1996 6.5l TD Hummer Wagon. I've been very intrigued in the WVO usage and would love to do my part in helping the environment. I've seen a couple heater kits, and I like the On demand inline heater with the easily accessible filter. I live in Phx Arizona, and right now it's a good 110 degrees during my afternoon drive home from work. So I tried some SVO in my second tank to see how everything would re-act, and it did great. No problems at all. I'm now ready to buy a full system, and convert my 17gallon rear tank to WVO. Couple questions... 1.Are the Coolant line heaters hard to install? It seems like it would be difficult to run the lines. Maybe someone close would be willing to come over and help me out with the installation? I'll of course take you for a ride. 2. The tank I have right now is hard plastic, Should I worry about it getting too hot with the 170 degree WVO when it gets heated? Or should it be alright? Maybe some websites with some nice kits for sale? Or someone whom has input on certain Kits. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks -Boston Bryce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Macro Economics Plant Fuel Stats?
Hi Joey Dear Keith, I have combed the archives and can't seem to find what I'm looking for. Which archives did you use? Such a sentence speaks of Yahoo's archives, which is next to useless. Try this one (linked at the end of every message): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Therefore, if I'm asking for information that has already seen discussion, please just point me in the right direction. I'm preparing a presentation to the AMA (Alberta Motor Assoc.), and I'd like to find some statistics that put plant-based fuels into perspective. Statistics that hypothesize the amount of arable acres necessary to operate x % of vehicles on plant-based fuels (specifically oilseed). Or, details on the canola situation, and how many vehicles can operate on currently planted acres. I also remember hearing something about the potential utilization of idle acres to significantly ease the fuel situation. I'm perhaps the wrong person to ask about this, because I'll say it's the wrong question. See, for instance (please do!): http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUELS-BIZ/1395/ How much fuel can we grow? http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUELS-BIZ/1801/ How much land? Remember, also, that with industrialised commodity crops like canola and soy the oil is essentially a by-product, the product is the seedcake after the oil has been removed, used as livestock feed. Hence the enormous quantity of surplus soy oil in the US (the world's biggest tank farm), and yet, level playing fields and all, this is not reflected in the price to consumers. I don't think that this will ever be a subject that's rationally treated until it's regarded as an *energy* issue, not just an agriculture issue (which means what benefits the agribusiness interests much more than what benefits farmers and the community in general). Don't hold your breath. Furthermore, BIOX (www.bioxcorp.com) claims, BIOX is the only process that can compete at a remarkable $0.07/litre CAD. This new technology makes biodiesel the most cost-effective green fuel available and competitive with petroleum diesel on the market. At the current bulk vegetable oil price of $0.77(CAD)/Litre, that's a fairly attractive price. Does their process look viable to you? No, nor to many others. There's a lot about this in the archives, including opinions from other biodiesel industry figures in the US and in Europe, and including discussion of a response a list member got from Biox's Dr David Boocock. It boils down to about 100% scepticism. It's a no-no. Search for Biox or Boocock: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Well, here: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/?keywords=bioxtime=allusertime =2002-12-31 http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/?keywords=boococktime=allusert ime=2002-12-31 When you access the messages, if you hit on Click here for more on this subject you get a clickable table of the whole thread. Best wishes Keith All the best, Joey Hundert Edmonton, AB Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] filtering the stuff
Hello Ross i have an 83 MB diesel. last week i filtered 15 gallons of fuel oil. Fuel oil? What's that? i filtered through a wire mesh filter and some nylon. about 10 miles into the tank my primary filter clogged up. how do you filter. what micron size does nylons filter to? i appreciate any ideas. thanks, Ross outside Chicago You could try this stuff: Vegetable oil filter cones are made of Pelon, a generic term which can be cotton fiber but is more often synthetic, the longer-lived usually being synthetic. It can include adhesive versions of both (fusible pelon). Both cotton and synthetic Pelon run between 1.5 and 1.75 ounce for filters. Standard Pelon is usually 1.25 ounce. The thicker Pelons can be found in any upholstery supply warehouse in 48 or 96 bolts. -- Todd Swearingen, Appal Energy. See also: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/35321/ Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Home for the Processor
congratulations, luc. I posted this lonk a while back, but here it is again- 'dprobe's ' reactor. It's a 'cabinet' biodiesel reactor/wash tank unit like Luc's describing. This one obviously is quite a bit more complex than my original posted plans- and he's got everything in one place. Nice, though it cost him, too! Dale Scroggins' original water heater reactor, the touchless' that's shown on journeytoforever.org's processor pages, is also cabinet-enclosed and possibly also on wheels I think. If you're in earthquake country like I am though you may want to strap everything including the cabinet to the walls of your house, or otherwise making sure it's stable and can't tip over in a quake!!! Mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luc, Sounds like a great self contained way of doing things. I look forward to seeing the pics. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, biobenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am still in the final completion stage of the cabinet and will be putting together a pictorial how I did it sort of thing once complete. As for the Standpipe design, please see Sean Park's Standpipe Wash Tank Design at: http://www.veggieavenger.com/avengerboard/viewtopic.php?t=333) Personally, this combo works, as it is compact, discreet and mobile. The capacity of the water heater can be found on the small metal plate on it's side. Should the initails imp appeear next to the volume that means Imperial measurements, not US. For a handy conversion table from/to metric/US/Imperial see: http://www.teaching-english-in-japan.net/conversion/celsius Remember though that if it says 30gal imp that even though that is about 4.05 liters to the gal or about 125 liters that is not the volume of BD you will be making as you have to allow for the volume of methoxide and mixing space. I figure that if I stick with 80 liter batches in one of these I should be OK; maybe not, I will post any flubs in the plans :) My plans were made off the cuff and customised to the height and space I have available. The original idea was to have the cabinet next to the Benz in the heated garage where the plumbing only allows a maximum 6' clearance, so that is what I had to work with, and I wanted it mobile (on casters) to ba ble to move it about should I need to. The stubby water heater by Giant (Rheem probably has one too) is 36 1/2 high and 24 diameter which is neat 'cause that is roughly the same as one of those poly 45 gal drums I am going to use as a wash tank. The processor,pump and tank sit on a shelf that allows clearance for 22 liter pails under it, the plumbing for the wash tank goes through the floor of this shelf and the whole thing has about 6-8 inches head clearance above the processor so I drilled vent holes on top and two sides for a little air circulation vis a vis the processor and wash tanks. The whole thing is presently undergoing a paint job to gun metal grey (a good, blend into the background colour) :)The cabinet also has a fold out table from one of the sides to be used a s awork station for titration and for a pre-heat tank that will be feeding the intake pump. The pre-heat tank is also about 30 liters and will fit under the internal shelf for storage. There is room betweem the procesor and wash tanks to have a 12 wide shelving arrangement to accomodate the methoxide and other related BD making stuff. All very compact. As for actual plans, I will have to digress to those in the know as this is the first time I have ever in my half century life attempted to build anything like this, but I will have a mess of photos (I am taking them as I go) hoping that the proverbial photo is worth a thousand words fills in where I lack in actula knowledge :) Long winded uh? Luc --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Steven Pfaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luc, Happy to hear you found a home for your processor. I am currently looking for a new home for myself before I begin construction, however I have recently accuired two electric water heaters. Not quite sure of the volumes of either just yet as they have just been shoved into storage until the moment I wake up the day after my move, I think they are 20-30 gallons and 40-50 gallons. I am still looking for ideas for how I want to wash my fuel though. Do you by chance have a link for the standpipe wash tank you spoke of? I'd love to take a look at it. I am also building my processor after girl-mark's design. Thanks, Steven biobenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having had the bright idea of building a Fumeless Processor on G- Mark's design along with the Sean Park's Standpipe wash tank I was in need of a compact way to house it all as I live in an urban setting (an apartment) So I figured I
[biofuel] Re: Macro Economics Plant Fuel Stats?
Dear Keith, In brief response before I claim my prize of lucid dreaming at the end of a grueling day: I couldn't agree more with your stance on this issue. I'm a hemp food and fibre processor here in Alberta (www.thompsonvalley.com). Aside from the speculative blunders of 1999, no farmer that I know of is planting acres on spec. Conversely, we've seen the prevailing pattern of markets approaching producers - as is mandated in Germany. This leads to complete use of oilseed harvests, with minimal amounts hitting the open market. This has kept the price at a truly sustainable level; by adding fibre to the picture, we can see farmers flourishing on 300 acres instead of subsisting at 10,000. $600/acre is fat living around here. My only impetus for distilling some semblance of hard numbers (albeit, as flawed as any attempt at wholistic number crafting) came out of the need for shocking old-fart minds into seeing new pictures. Let's hope it works. All the best, Joey Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: Macro Economics Plant Fuel Stats?
Answered a few of my own questions: Avg. Canadian Canola Yield = 1,364 kg/ha (USDA: http://www.fas.usda.gov/gainfiles/200405/146106302.pdf) Avg. Canadian Oil Content = 42.9% (10 yr. Avg. - see previous reference) 42.9% of 1,364kg = 585.156 kg/ha Density of Canola Oil = 920kg/m3 (264.17USgal) (http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/2978/1/) Therefore Avg. Canadian Yield (volume) = 168.26gal/ha or 68.21gal/acre Seeded Canadian Canola = 5,163,600ha (12,754,092acres) (http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/prim11a.htm) Therefore Total Potential Crushed Oil = 869,956,615.32gal or 3,297,135,572.06litres Total Canadian Diesel Fuel Market 1999 (old stat, I know) = 22,171,000,000litres (http://www.agr.gc.ca/misb/spcrops/sc-cs_e.php?page=biodiesel#N_13_) Therefore, current total potential crushed oil = 14.87% of current diesel fuel demand Current Canadian Arable Land = 4.94% of Total (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ca.html) Total Canadian Seeded Area = 35,656,000ha (see statcan link above) Seeded Canola Percentage of Total Seeded Area = 13.85% 13.85% of 4.94 = .68% of Total Canadian Land Room for growth? If anyone has a better number for diesel fuel consumption, please forward it. Please forgive my errors if there are any. Numbers hurt my brain. -Joey -Original Message- From: Joey Hundert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:38 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Macro Economics Plant Fuel Stats? Dear Keith, I have combed the archives and can't seem to find what I'm looking for. Therefore, if I'm asking for information that has already seen discussion, please just point me in the right direction. I'm preparing a presentation to the AMA (Alberta Motor Assoc.), and I'd like to find some statistics that put plant-based fuels into perspective. Statistics that hypothesize the amount of arable acres necessary to operate x % of vehicles on plant-based fuels (specifically oilseed). Or, details on the canola situation, and how many vehicles can operate on currently planted acres. I also remember hearing something about the potential utilization of idle acres to significantly ease the fuel situation. Furthermore, BIOX (www.bioxcorp.com) claims, BIOX is the only process that can compete at a remarkable $0.07/litre CAD. This new technology makes biodiesel the most cost-effective green fuel available and competitive with petroleum diesel on the market. At the current bulk vegetable oil price of $0.77(CAD)/Litre, that's a fairly attractive price. Does their process look viable to you? All the best, Joey Hundert Edmonton, AB Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] filtering the stuff
You might want to check http://www.mcmaster.com/ and start around pg 328, they also have nice pre-screens and a lot of good info, and their prices don't seem too bad. I think you want to end up at around 5 microns to be safe. Good luck, Richard U '83 300TD -Original Message- From: Ross Cannon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 4:14 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] filtering the stuff i have an 83 MB diesel. last week i filtered 15 gallons of fuel oil. i filtered through a wire mesh filter and some nylon. about 10 miles into the tank my primary filter clogged up. how do you filter. what micron size does nylons filter to? i appreciate any ideas. thanks, Ross outside Chicago The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] f-250 conversion/diesel engine biofuel primer
SVO - Straight Vegetable oil - virgin or unused vegetable oil. WVO - Waste Vegetable oil - Oil that has been used to fry food. Biodiesel - A renewable fuel made from fatty acids (oils). Biofuel pros svo, wvo are reasonably equiv. to BD for this list with two exceptions: 1) there has been alot more testing done specifically on biodiesel 2) While the diesel engine was invented to be run on vegetable oil it, WVO i snot equivalent to straight peanut oil. * Biodiesel use increase international stability as opposed to decreasing it as petro fuel does. * Biodiesel use reduces the risk of fuel transportation disasters as it requires less transport and is significantly less toxic. * Biodiesel is less expensive than petrodiesel to deliver to American markets * Biodiesel use along with conservation is the cost effective way to immediately reduce our dependence on middle east oil * Biodiesel combustion produces over 60% fewer pollutants than petrodiesel, over 90% fewer carcinogens and is not a net green house gas contributor. * Biodiesel removes an entire class of acid rain producing smog from diesel exhaust * Biodiesel when used as a petroleum diesel additive at rates of between 5% 20% is already an accepted product in the petroleum diesel market-place * According to some estimates the US can produce enough biodiesel to meet more than 20% of it's fuel needs and all of it's current diesel fuel needs * Biodiesel production is less dangerous than petroleum fuel production * Biodiesel production creates almost no pollution * Biodiesel from WVO has a higher lubricity and cetane rating than petrodiesel and is otherwise comparable or superior in performance when used in diesel engines * Biodiesel production from WVO reduces demands on landfills * Biodiesel exhaust actually has a pleasant aroma * Biodiesel is 1/10th as toxic as table salt and biodegrades like dextrose with up to 98% biodegredation in 3 weeks * Biodiesel is one of the most cost effective ways to reduce exhaust pollution from smaller and inexpensive engines Depending on your engine, climate and who you ask, SVO/WVO can be mixed with diesel (petro or bio). SVO/WVO kits cost between $600-$1200+, pay the upfront costs, take additional risks on warranty coverage, mostly because the hardware changes advertise that you did something interesting and get a payback rate dependent on how much fuel you use. Biofuel cons: * People will look at you strangely and say your vehicle smells nice. * People who love the smell of burning petro will say somethings wrong with your truck. * The US engine manufacturers association says they don't warranty biodiesel or VO even though they don't warranty any other fuel either and in the California at least the burden of proof is on the warranty provider to show that the users action caused the damage. * Crown Prince* *Abdullah, OPEC and the Bush clan will suffer a minute decrease in their net worth if every day 100 people switch from petro fuels to biofuels. See http://www.google.com/search?hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8safe=offq=diesel+vegetable+oil+conversion+kitsbtnG=Search for most of the manufacturers of VO kits. VO kits are sensitive to oil quality as they rely on relationships between oil temperature and viscosity. Kenneth Kron Founder Bay Area Biofuel www.bayareabiofuel.com benet208 wrote: I have a 97 7.3 Ford F-250 diesel.Can anybody tell me proscons of changing over?also would like to know to what,biofuel,svo,wvo or whatever els their is.thank you. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Identifying rubber fuel line components - biodiesel compatibility
I've just put my first home blend of 5% biodiesel in my 1996 UK-spec Peugeot 406, and it works very well. However I've read about rubber fuel line components being 'rotted' by higher mixes of boidiesel. So before I put in a higher blend, I need to identify the materials in use in my car, and whether I will need to replace them before long term use of B100. How do I do this? Is there a reliable way of identifying natural rubber? The fuel line looks like rubber and is black and 'squidgy', but there are artificial materials that have similar properties, so I'm not sure. It seems that in Europe up until 1996 rubber was generally used but since that year due to biodiesel being readily available in certain countries, manufacturers started using other materials. As my vehicle is 1996 I don't know whether it will use rubber or not. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Macro Economics Plant Fuel Stats?
BIOX disappointed me big time. I had a long conversation with them, got all excited, and decided to visit them in Oakville. No luck. You can't visit them. Can't see their process. Suddenly they went completely top secret on me. Not a good way to sell plants. Also, while they talk about their enormous backlog, I don't believe they have a single installation. I'd love to be corrected on this--perhaps someone from BIOX is onlist and would like to engage, but from what I can tell they are a sham. On Jun 7, 2004, at 8:37 PM, Joey Hundert wrote: Dear Keith, I have combed the archives and can't seem to find what I'm looking for. Therefore, if I'm asking for information that has already seen discussion, please just point me in the right direction. I'm preparing a presentation to the AMA (Alberta Motor Assoc.), and I'd like to find some statistics that put plant-based fuels into perspective. Statistics that hypothesize the amount of arable acres necessary to operate x % of vehicles on plant-based fuels (specifically oilseed). Or, details on the canola situation, and how many vehicles can operate on currently planted acres. I also remember hearing something about the potential utilization of idle acres to significantly ease the fuel situation. Furthermore, BIOX (www.bioxcorp.com) claims, BIOX is the only process that can compete at a remarkable $0.07/litre CAD. This new technology makes biodiesel the most cost-effective green fuel available and competitive with petroleum diesel on the market. At the current bulk vegetable oil price of $0.77(CAD)/Litre, that's a fairly attractive price. Does their process look viable to you? All the best, Joey Hundert Edmonton, AB Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-545-2551 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] WVO converted 1983 Benz 300D turbo FS in Columbus, OH
I am selling my 1983 Mercedes 300D Turbo because of a move to California after which I will not need a car. This car has 200K on the clock and no major problems or looming repairs that I am aware of. Should be good for another 100K. The car has a neoteric WVO kit (Vormax) installed with hundreds of miles of operation with no problems. Contact me for more info on the conversion if you are interested. I would like to get $1400 but will entertain any offer. The car is in Columbus, OH. You could drive it home to Alaska if you wanted to. http://skidmore.freeshell.org/ebay/benzfront.jpg Thanks for looking. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Macro Economics Plant Fuel Stats?
Joey, I found this article worthwhile http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html On Jun 7, 2004, at 8:37 PM, Joey Hundert wrote: Dear Keith, I have combed the archives and can't seem to find what I'm looking for. Therefore, if I'm asking for information that has already seen discussion, please just point me in the right direction. I'm preparing a presentation to the AMA (Alberta Motor Assoc.), and I'd like to find some statistics that put plant-based fuels into perspective. Statistics that hypothesize the amount of arable acres necessary to operate x % of vehicles on plant-based fuels (specifically oilseed). Or, details on the canola situation, and how many vehicles can operate on currently planted acres. I also remember hearing something about the potential utilization of idle acres to significantly ease the fuel situation. Furthermore, BIOX (www.bioxcorp.com) claims, BIOX is the only process that can compete at a remarkable $0.07/litre CAD. This new technology makes biodiesel the most cost-effective green fuel available and competitive with petroleum diesel on the market. At the current bulk vegetable oil price of $0.77(CAD)/Litre, that's a fairly attractive price. Does their process look viable to you? All the best, Joey Hundert Edmonton, AB Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-545-2551 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Wow- check this out- grease wars...
List Members, This is article is a little old. I found it on the internet today. What a story! --- Griffin Industries plays dirty. I had a collection site here in Savannah, GA taken over by Griffin Industries. I had consulted [first] with the restaurant owners and agreed verbally with them for a pickup service which was an oral contract. Then, one day I went in for my pickup and boom- there was a huge Griffin container where my 55 gallon drum used to be located. -Michael -- Grease rustlers Black-market bandits have their eyes on that vat of used frying oil in the alley behind your local greasy spoon. Nov. 06, 2000 | Jon Jaworski, a Houston attorney, first learned about grease theft in 1990. I had a couple of Hispanic guys get busted in Galveston County at a Popeye's Fried Chicken, he recalls. They just came into my office. Jaworski got a not-guilty verdict, and then turned around and filed suit for malicious prosecution against the company that had accused his clients of grease theft. I became, I guess, the hero of all the grease guys, he says, and grease cases began flooding in his door. Jaworski is known as the grease lawyer, and has had calls on his expertise from as far away as Australia.
[biofuel] Grease Wars part II
List members, Here is what I learned- I had a contract to have the restaurant pay me $1 per gallon to pick up their WVO. As the restaurant was brand new, I was being a nice guy and not billing them for my services. [yet] It's very important to have a document trail when working with grease pickups. So don't be a Mr. Nice Guy, make'em pay. Maintain your records. You may need them to cover your A$$ later on. -Michael - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Identifying rubber fuel line components - biodiesel compatibility
Hello Donald I've just put my first home blend of 5% biodiesel in my 1996 UK-spec Peugeot 406, and it works very well. However I've read about rubber fuel line components being 'rotted' by higher mixes of boidiesel. So before I put in a higher blend, I need to identify the materials in use in my car, and whether I will need to replace them before long term use of B100. How do I do this? Is there a reliable way of identifying natural rubber? The fuel line looks like rubber and is black and 'squidgy', but there are artificial materials that have similar properties, so I'm not sure. It seems that in Europe up until 1996 rubber was generally used but since that year due to biodiesel being readily available in certain countries, manufacturers started using other materials. As my vehicle is 1996 I don't know whether it will use rubber or not. I wouldn't bother. Actually I didn't bother, and neither did a lot of other people. First, a 1996 Pug or 1996 anything else won't have anything in there that biodiesel will eat. Well, it might, but petro-diesel will eat it just as fast (or just as slowly), so that doesn't make using biodiesel a problem. The fact is it's hard to find a case where it actually happened. If it does happen it won't be a sudden catastrophe, you'll have enough warning to do something about it. So go ahead, chuck it in and go. One proviso - this applies to *washed* biodiesel. No guarantees with unwashed biodiesel. For one thing, the excess methanol in it will rot a lot of things biodiesel itself won't rot. For more information see: Biodiesel and your vehicle Compatibility -- Rubber http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#rubber Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Macro Economics Plant Fuel Stats?
Hi Lyle BIOX disappointed me big time. I had a long conversation with them, got all excited, and decided to visit them in Oakville. No luck. You can't visit them. Can't see their process. Suddenly they went completely top secret on me. Not a good way to sell plants. Also, while they talk about their enormous backlog, I don't believe they have a single installation. I don't think they have. It's been quite a long time now, with various announcements that it was all imminent. I'd love to be corrected on this--perhaps someone from BIOX is onlist and would like to engage, but from what I can tell they are a sham. Check out the archive links in my reply to Joey. There's a lot of detailed information there on why you could be right. For instance, another, well-known, organisation owned the commercialisation rights to the Boocock process prior to BIOX, but after experimenting with it for six months they declined to pursue it any further - a waste of time and money. They were not the only industry people who were sceptical. Also, the so called Boocock process was described by William Christie in a Lipids Technology article in 1990. You can read that here: http://www.lipid.co.uk/infores/topics/methests/ Methylation of fatty acids This was not disclosed by Boocock (a Scotsman, as is Christie), nor the University. All this aside, there are a lot of things that just don't add up, on the claimed costs, the energy involved, and indeed the quality of the product, as well as the kind of terms they were seeking. Best Keith On Jun 7, 2004, at 8:37 PM, Joey Hundert wrote: Dear Keith, I have combed the archives and can't seem to find what I'm looking for. Therefore, if I'm asking for information that has already seen discussion, please just point me in the right direction. I'm preparing a presentation to the AMA (Alberta Motor Assoc.), and I'd like to find some statistics that put plant-based fuels into perspective. Statistics that hypothesize the amount of arable acres necessary to operate x % of vehicles on plant-based fuels (specifically oilseed). Or, details on the canola situation, and how many vehicles can operate on currently planted acres. I also remember hearing something about the potential utilization of idle acres to significantly ease the fuel situation. Furthermore, BIOX (www.bioxcorp.com) claims, BIOX is the only process that can compete at a remarkable $0.07/litre CAD. This new technology makes biodiesel the most cost-effective green fuel available and competitive with petroleum diesel on the market. At the current bulk vegetable oil price of $0.77(CAD)/Litre, that's a fairly attractive price. Does their process look viable to you? All the best, Joey Hundert Edmonton, AB Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: climate changes
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Darryl Wagoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Greenhouse effect, global warming and ice age is all related. Our production of the greenhouse gases MAY have speeded up a natural process but it didn't cause it. The bottom line is that it doesn't matter. The chain reaction has already started and nothing that we do at this point will stop or even slow down the climate change. Discussing the cause is really a waste of time. 73 Darryl, We are presently in an interglacial, and many experts believe our climate should be in an overall cooling trend right now, not a warming one. Regardless, over the time of a human lifespan, you are correct in stating that nothing we can do will stop or slow climate change. Over the span of several generations, though, we can slow and stop human induced climate change. Assume humanity went cold turkey today and stopped spewing GHG's into our thin fragile garbage sewer otherwise referred to as the atmosphere. The GHG's we have been emitting until now will continue to dissipate into the atmosphere for a first century. The atmosphere's GHG saturation curve will continue to climb during this period, the global mean temperature along with it. It will then stabilize and the curve will flatten for a second century. During the 3rd century post-today, the curve will decline as the CO2 is absorbed by the oceans. Our positive actions will not affect our world in our lifetimes. We are making selfless decisions for the betterment of our descendants' lives 300 years from now. Pierre Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] NaOH Methanol mixing Q
Hello, I can't seem to get lye completely dissolved in the methanol. 3.5g 98.5% NaOH, or 4.5 g NaOH, in 200ml 99.9% methanol - mixing, stirring, letting sit, waiting, magnetic stirring, days and days' waiting, tilting - regardless. There is always a thin white sediment that quickly settles on the bottom of the jar, the liquid is always milky. Is this normal? Is the solution super-saturated? Pierre Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] f-250 pu
well what do you think about the greasel kit? i think this is the way i'm going to go another ok site is greasecar.com i think tose folks lean towards cars where as greasel has had plenty of exprenice with 1 ton and 3/4 ton fullsize pickups also that the 88 to 94 ford diesel 7.3 was the vehicle of choice ok guys what do you think [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] PH meter for biofuel use
I am just getting started in biodiesel. What is a good PH meter to get? What accuracy is necessary .01? better? Thanks, Lawrence Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: WVO converted 1983 Benz 300D turbo FS in Columbus, OH
If I could find $1400 I would buy it --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, nice_tech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am selling my 1983 Mercedes 300D Turbo because of a move to California after which I will not need a car. This car has 200K on the clock and no major problems or looming repairs that I am aware of. Should be good for another 100K. The car has a neoteric WVO kit (Vormax) installed with hundreds of miles of operation with no problems. Contact me for more info on the conversion if you are interested. I would like to get $1400 but will entertain any offer. The car is in Columbus, OH. You could drive it home to Alaska if you wanted to. http://skidmore.freeshell.org/ebay/benzfront.jpg Thanks for looking. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Test batch
In a message dated 06/04/2004 11:27:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rick, Go to your kitchen and take some of the vegetable oil from your pantry and run a sample. Do everything the same as you did with the WVO. If the same thing happens you know it's not your oil that's the problem. Todd Swearingen Now why didn't I think of that. Rick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] meet in edmonton
Hello Joey, I am also in Edmonton. I would like to meet. I live in Parkallen, just off 109 st, next to the Parkallen Restaurant (BTW, their oil titrates at 4.2 g/l - not bad eh?) Do you make biodiesel? I put an offer on an 88 Jetta in Grande Prairie, if all goes well, I should be driving it home Sunday. I am gathering stuff to build a processor at home. My no. is 988-0622, 987-8663 Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, joeyhundert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Keith, In brief response before I claim my prize of lucid dreaming at the end of a grueling day: I couldn't agree more with your stance on this issue. I'm a hemp food and fibre processor here in Alberta (www.thompsonvalley.com). Aside from the speculative blunders of 1999, no farmer that I know of is planting acres on spec. Conversely, we've seen the prevailing pattern of markets approaching producers - as is mandated in Germany. This leads to complete use of oilseed harvests, with minimal amounts hitting the open market. This has kept the price at a truly sustainable level; by adding fibre to the picture, we can see farmers flourishing on 300 acres instead of subsisting at 10,000. $600/acre is fat living around here. My only impetus for distilling some semblance of hard numbers (albeit, as flawed as any attempt at wholistic number crafting) came out of the need for shocking old-fart minds into seeing new pictures. Let's hope it works. All the best, Joey Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] f-250 pu
WORKING WITH GREASEL.COM ON 2004 PETERBUILT VEGGIE TANK FOR TRUCK TO SWITCH TO. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] f-250 pu well what do you think about the greasel kit? i think this is the way i'm going to go another ok site is greasecar.com i think tose folks lean towards cars where as greasel has had plenty of exprenice with 1 ton and 3/4 ton fullsize pickups also that the 88 to 94 ford diesel 7.3 was the vehicle of choice ok guys what do you think [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Macro Economics Plant Fuel Stats?
Lyle, Thanks very much, that's a really cool article. Algae for oil, that's the first I'd heard of it. I forgot to take efficiency trends into http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/message/35405 Oh well. Has there been any conjecture on the theories presented on Algae? $287Billion war budget vs. $170Billion Independence? (I know the infrastructure re-fit would be huge, but still, that's a pretty telling tale) The latest National Geographic is a must read for everyone here. Bronze the cover and put it on the mantle. Just got the latest from Campbell's stats - Peak Oil Production = 2008! Hold on to yer hats! -Joey Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fusion Energy
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/fall 2003/interview.html http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/fall%202003/interview.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
