[biofuel] Washington DC Area Homebrew Class, July 11
Biodiesel Homebrew Comprehensive Class, July 11, 10-6 pm, Pasadena, Maryland (about an hour from Washington DC) an east-coast/west-coast biodiesel teachers collaboration: taught by Rachel Burton and Leif Forer of Piedmont Biofuels (Pittsboro North Carolina) and the Central Carolina Community College Biofuels Program and Jennifer Radtke of Biofuel Oasis and the East Bay Biodiesel Internship (Berkeley California) Maria 'Mark' Alovert of East Bay Biodiesel Internship (Berkeley California) Come to a full-day hands-on seminar on making quality biodiesel, taught by four of the most experienced biodiesel homebrewing instructors in the US. This is a quick-moving, hands-on class, where you will make several small batches of biodiesel, learn safety and basic lab processes, test oil and biodiesel for quality, and work with ethanol and acid-base biodiesel processes. We will also make a fullsize batch of biodiesel in a homebrew reactor, demonstrate washing processes, demonstrate purification of glycerol and it's uses, discuss biodiesel reactors and other biodiesel and methanol recovery equipment, talk about our experiences with solar heating for the process, discuss heat exchangers, safe glycerol/waste oil burners for process heat, biodiesel co-ops and production groups, and more. The workshop is in Pasadena Maryland, about an hour away from Washington DC. To register please send an email with your name to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Class cost: $20-$50 sliding scale, no one turned away for lack of funds. There is an 85-page homebrew text book available at the event for $8. If you wish to, you can order it in advance ($10 includes book and shipping, $14 for orders outside North America): http://www.veggieavenger.com/store/propaganda.shtml Because this is a fast-paced class, we suggest that you also see the following websites for some background material: www.me.iastate.edu/biodiesel (online course and technical papers section) www.journeytoforever.org (especially the 'how to make biodiesel', 'ethanol biodiesel', and 'processors' pages) www.veggieavenger.com/media (photo archive of homebrew equipment) http:biodiesel.infopop.cc (discussion forum on homebrewing) + Class will be held at Gardner, O'Connor Inc,Ê4433 Mountain Road suite 1, Pasadena, MD (directions below). Class runs from 10 to 6 pm, with an hour lunch. Please bring a brown bag lunch so we can eat together. Please wear closed-toe shoes and long pants and bring a long-sleeve shirt. Bring safety glasses if you have them. For more info about the workshop please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you're lost on the day of the workshop or otherwise need to call the site, the phone number at the warehouse is 410/437-0800- but they can't really answer questions about the class content. Directions: Southbound: -695 (beltway) or 895 tunnel thruway to I97 Southbound -MD 100 East towards Gibson Island (go all the way to the end of 100) -MD 100 merges with Mountain Road eastbound. -Go about ¸ mile: we are on the right just past Wolford's Well Drilling, -4433 Mountain Road, if you see Phelps Liquors or the Exxon station, you have gone too far. Northbound: -I-97 North to MD 100 Eastbound -MD 100 East towards Gibson Island (go all the way to the end of 100) -MD 100 merges with Mountain Road eastbound. -Go about ¸ mile: we are on the right just past Wolford's Well Drilling, -4433 Mountain Road, if you see Phelps Liquors or the Exxon station, you have gone too far. >From BWI Airport: -Aviation Blvd to Dorsey Road eastbound -As you turn left on to Dorsey Road, stay in the right lane. -Exit onto I-97 Southbound -Stay in the right lane and exit onto MD 100 East bound -MD 100 East towards Gibson Island (go all the way to the end of 100) -MD 100 merges with Mountain Road eastbound. -Go about ¸ mile: we are on the right just past Wolford's Well Drilling, -4433 Mountain Road, if you see Phelps Liquors or the Exxon station, you have gone too far. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Palm oil...
>YES! > >Man... Thanks a lot! This was just what the Dr. ordered! I forward >the links to the people I know in West Africa as well > >Thank you very much Keith, You're most welcome Jonathan, I hope it helps. Best wishes Keith >Jonathan > >Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hm... I think you should read these: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_SVO-Allen.html >Straighter-than-straight vegetable oils as diesel fuels > >http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_SVO-palm.html >Palm Oil as a Fuel for Agricultural Diesel Engines Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Godwin's Law, for those that don't know.
I believe there's a corollary that says that deliberately invoking Godwin's law to kill a thread doesn't actually work... -Original Message- From: Bob Yates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Jun 29, 2004 10:03 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Godwin's Law, for those that don't know. http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/g/Godwin_s_Law.html http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/ OK, the MIchael Moore thread is over, I killed it! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Palm oil...
Hello Nick >Very good post Achmad, this broadens my horizons on problems I >personaly did not think of. Indeed, very good post, thankyou Achmad. >This shows a bad side to even biodiesel, Not the only one. Steve Spence once said here: "I have a niggling feeling that 10 years from now, the environmentalists will be fighting the ethanol industry tooth and nail. Anything can be done badly, and I expect the ADM's of the world will be successful in turning a clean renewable resource into a dirty unsustainable one..." ADM is deeply involved in biodiesel too, along with Monsanto and Cargill, not companies known for their contributions to sustainable energy, or sustainable anything. But they're the main force in the National Biodiesel Board in the US, and elsewhere too. The soy biodiesel they promote is derived from industrialised monocrops, heavily dependent on fossil-fuel inputs, on pesticides (despite all the promises, RR GMO soy uses MORE pesticides than non-GMO soy does), on GMOs, and on hexane extraction of the oil. Silly thing about it is that industrialized monocropping of biofuels crops is just as fossil-fuel-dependent as industrialized monocropping of anything else is. What sort of sustainable biofuel is that? There's nothing sustainable about it. >or at least palm oil >production when a country has to destroy natural forest to make a >quick buck. >The average westerner has little concept of where and how food is >produced and waste so much its easy to find waste sources for other >(our) purposes. >A problem that has been mentioned before is the cost of vegetable >based oil. There is not a gross over supply to compete with dinofuel >which prices it out of range, that subsidy seems huge considering my >government taxes fuel at 0.39 cents per litre. There is an oversupply of vegetable oil. I think Indonesia has a palm oil surplus, yet the price remains high (please correct me if that's wrong Achmad). Argentina also has an oil-surplus problem, or recently did have. With soy in the US, the main product is the seedcake, used as livestock feed (mostly for factory farms, yet more unsustainable industrialised so-called "agriculture"). The oil is more or less a by-product. In the US surplus soy oil is stored in the world's biggest tank farm, billions of gallons of it. Yet that doesn't affect the selling price, which remains high. These people aren't interested in energy, this is the totally mad world of agricultural commodities and subsidies. Nothing sustainable about that either. Just as sustainable agriculture is not only possible but is the most rapidly growing agriculture sector all over the world, sustainable biofuels is also possible, the way we promote it here, for one. A major element in it is decentralisation of supply to the local level, same as with sustainable farming, the two have a lot in common. Not that there's no useful role for the big producers, of course there is, but not primarily, the emphasis should be on the ground level, not the central level. If you want a real interesting read, go here and do a search for "Noyes": http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ I should add that a lot of people here have questioned whether biodiesel should compete with dinofuel. The common question is, Can we produce enough biofuels to replace fossil fuels? Or, How much land will it take to produce enough biofuels to replace fossil-fuels use? Wrong questions - a rational energy future requires great reductions in energy use, great increases in energy efficiency, and localisation of supply, as above. These questions are also often used to dismiss possibly alternatives, picking them off one by one. How much? Too much. Oh, so that won't work then. On the contrary, it will require all available renewable energy technologies, used in combination as best fits the circumstances at the local level. More on this here: http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUELS-BIZ/1801/ http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUELS-BIZ/1395/ >What to do about it? many people smarter than me cant figure it out >so I dont have a hope. Or maybe you do. :-) >Very good post Achmad, this broadens my horizons on problems I >personaly did not think of. Best wishes Keith >Regards >Nick > >--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Achmad Hidayat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > > All, > > Allow me to share some info about BD in Indonesia. > > It is true Indonesia is major Palm Oil producer in the > > world. Continues expansion has been made in order to > > produce more palm oil by clearing "large amount Forest > > Area and turn into Palm Oil Farm". It is estimated > > that in 2007, Indonesia will become No.1 Palm Oil > > producer in the world. > > > > It is quite depressing when people talking about > > environmental concern and some businessman in > > Indonesia turn rain forest into Palm Oil farm, but it > > is the reality, it will always happened unless the > > government put real action about
Re: [biofuel] Godwin's Law, for those that don't know.
Backwoods_Bob wrote: >http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/g/Godwin_s_Law.html >http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/ Um, you'll find it 28 times in the list archives, including the definition. But then you don't seem to like the archives. There's still this, for instance, regarding your previous message: >>where Moore states at the beginning that all independent >>investigations of the Florida show that Gore won. The truth is the >>opposite, they all show that Gore lost. > >Now why should we have to go through all this all over again? Tell >you what, why don't you just go and try to convince the list >archives, I'm sure it'll lend you a willing and unbiased ear and it >won't mind the wasted nanoseconds. The url's at the end of every >message you receive. DON'T try to continue this discussion until >you've checked the archives. (Hint: search for "Palast".) Something >else, here on this list and in the world at large, if you want to >counter something that a great many people hold to be true you need >to offer a little more than just your unsupported opinion for it to >have a chance of gaining any credibility. It's up to you to prove >it, not up to us to disprove it. You've been here for two years, you >sure haven't paid a lot of attention if you don't know that, and if >you haven't seen the several previous discussions on Florida. That's >your problem, not ours. Go and do your homework. > >>But. what would you expect from >>a Social Democrat like Moore, just another variation on the National >>Socialist Workers Party line and a parroting of their leader. > >:-) Well now, there's the Socialist Workers Party, the Socialist >Party USA, the National Socialist Japanese Workers Party, the Iran >National-Socialist Workers Party and so on, but what exactly is the >National Socialist Workers Party? I suspect that according to >Godwin's Law you just lost. Let me help you along a little: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004 /06/20/ING2976LG61.DTL 1 million black votes didn't count in the 2000 presidential election It's not too hard to get your vote lost -- if some politicians want it to be lost Greg Palast Sunday, June 20, 2004 In the 2000 presidential election, 1.9 million Americans cast ballots that no one counted. "Spoiled votes" is the technical term. The pile of ballots left to rot has a distinctly dark hue: About 1 million of them -- half of the rejected ballots -- were cast by African Americans although black voters make up only 12 percent of the electorate. This year, it could get worse. These ugly racial statistics are hidden away in the mathematical thickets of the appendices to official reports coming out of the investigation of ballot-box monkey business in Florida from the last go-'round. How do you spoil 2 million ballots? Not by leaving them out of the fridge too long. A stray mark, a jammed machine, a punch card punched twice will do it. It's easy to lose your vote, especially when some politicians want your vote lost. While investigating the 2000 ballot count in Florida for BBC Television, I saw firsthand how the spoilage game was played -- with black voters the predetermined losers. Florida's Gadsden County has the highest percentage of black voters in the state -- and the highest spoilage rate. One in 8 votes cast there in 2000 was never counted. Many voters wrote in "Al Gore." Optical reading machines rejected these because "Al" is a "stray mark." By contrast, in neighboring Tallahassee, the capital, vote spoilage was nearly zip; every vote counted. The difference? In Tallahassee's white- majority county, voters placed their ballots directly into optical scanners. If they added a stray mark, they received another ballot with instructions to correct it. In other words, in the white county, make a mistake and get another ballot; in the black county, make a mistake, your ballot is tossed. The U.S. Civil Rights Commission looked into the smelly pile of spoiled ballots and concluded that, of the 179,855 ballots invalidated by Florida officials, 53 percent were cast by black voters. In Florida, a black citizen was 10 times as likely to have a vote rejected as a white voter. But let's not get smug about Florida's Jim Crow spoilage rate. Civil Rights Commissioner Christopher Edley, recently appointed dean of Boalt Hall School of Law at UC Berkeley, took the Florida study nationwide. His team discovered the uncomfortable fact that Florida is typical of the nation. Philip Klinkner, the statistician working on the Edley investigations, concluded, "It appears that about half of all ballots spoiled in the U.S.A. -- about 1 million votes -- were cast by nonwhite voters." This "no count," as the Civil Rights Commission calls it, is no accident. In Florida, for example, I discovered that technicians had warned Gov. Jeb Bush's office well in advance of November 2000 of the racial bend in the vo
Re: [biofuel] help!
Hello Beng, welcome >i am a student and is involved in a reserach involving biodiesel >production... can anyone help me find the explanation/logic behind >on the basis why 3.5 grams of NaOH is set as a fixed amount for >every liter of oil in the transesterification process... shouldn't >the amount be dependent on the type of oil to be transesterified? It is a bit of a ballpark figure. See: The basic lye quantity -- 3.5 grams? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#lye3.5 "This is the amount of lye (NaOH, sodium hydroxide) required as catalyst to transesterify 1 liter of virgin, uncooked oil. For used oils, titration determines the amount of lye needed to neutralize the Free Fatty Acid (FFA) content, and this quantity is added to the basic figure of 3.5 grams per liter. "In fact 3.5 grams is an empirical measure -- an average. Different oils have slightly different requirements, and even the same type of oil varies according to how and where it's grown. Other estimates are 3.1 gm, 3.4 gm, and some people have set it as high as 5 gm. "Here is what we've found. For most virgin oils and low-FFA used oils (with titration levels less than 2-3 ml), 3.5 grams works just fine. For high-FFA used oils, use more lye -- up to about 4.5 gm instead of 3.5 gm. Do small test batches to see what works best. "Different oils also require different amounts of methanol -- see How much methanol? For oils and fats requiring more methanol -- coconut, palm kernel, as well as tallow, lard, butter -- again, use more lye, up to 4.5 gm, even with new oils, and especially when it's used. Once again, do small test batches first." See also: How much lye to use? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#lyeamount ... and the rest of the "Make your own biodiesel" section while you're at it. Another point is that cooking oils are generally standardised products, refined to meet certain requirements, and one of those requirements is a set maximum of Free Fatty Acid content. So in that regard they're all the same, no matter what kind of oil it is. The lye has two roles in transesterification, as a catalyst, and to neutralise the Free Fatty Acids. In theory, once you have enough to neutralise the FFAs, only very little more would catalyse the reaction. But, it might take a long time, and also the reaction might reach equilibrium before conversion had gone far enough, making a poor-quality product. You might be interested in this, and the two studies associated with it: The modelling of the biodiesel reaction http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#macromodel Kinetics of Transesterification of Soybean Oil http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#nour Kinetics of Palm Oil Transesterification in a Batch Reactor http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#kinetics Best wishes Keith >or >if its role is just to catalyze the reaction, wouldn't it be >necessary to use the minimum amount of it just to start the >catalytic reaction? hope to hear from anyone soon:) thank you >and good day > >beng Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] help!
i am a student and is involved in a reserach involving biodiesel production... can anyone help me find the explanation/logic behind on the basis why 3.5 grams of NaOH is set as a fixed amount for every liter of oil in the transesterification process... shouldn't the amount be dependent on the type of oil to be transesterified? or if its role is just to catalyze the reaction, wouldn't it be necessary to use the minimum amount of it just to start the catalytic reaction? hope to hear from anyone soon:) thank you and good day beng Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Palm Oil, hitting 2 birds with one stone
Hi all, The cutting down of forests to plant palm and make BD is a sad but true story. It would prove very costly for the world if biodiversity is exchanged for just BD. Which gives thought to another problem - the growing desert. What if some rich eccentric person or person in government "transform" the desert into an oasis of palm forests. That would make a useless piece of land into a productive one, help fight the ever expanding desert, save the environment and make some money. Speaking of deserts, the middle east is the richest in terms of desert real estate and they have the money to fund such and endeavor. They can desalinate sea water to irrigate the palm using drip irrigation and it would not be hard. The desert is hot and all u need is a pump and a refrigerator to cool the moisture and make distilled water. Talk of managing for the future, if this works, not only will the middle east be the source of petroleum but also a world producer of renewable food/energy source. Palm oil could replace most of petroleum product as feed stock once it become "cheap" enough to use in most products. How lucky can you get. Know of any shiek or sultan who might want to try this out? =) Best Regards to all, Ken C. __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Godwin's Law, for those that don't know.
http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/g/Godwin_s_Law.html http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/ OK, the MIchael Moore thread is over, I killed it! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Washing with circulating pump
Just doing my long range planning and wanted to understand washing a bit better. If the conversion process is complete (acid/base etc.) would it be possible to safely perform the washing more rapidly than mist or bubble methods by using a circulating pump with more agitation? Thanks! Steve __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fahrenheit 9/11
'9/11' documents a mother's grief By Gary Strauss 6/28/2004 http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2004-06-28-fahrenheit-lipscomb_x.htm Fahrenheit 9/11 might be polarizing much of the nation, but there's one thing about the controversial Bush-bashing documentary most viewers probably will agree on: Key scenes featuring Lila Lipscomb are gut-wrenching and haunting. The Fahrenheit 9/11 scenes showing unabashed patriot Lila Lipscomb's reaction to her son's death in Iraq are difficult to watch. Lipscomb initially appears, literally, as a flag-waving patriot. Later, when her son Michael Pedersen is killed when his Black Hawk helicopter is downed in April 2003, Lipscomb breaks down as she reads his jaded letter from the front. By film's end, when Lipscomb makes a tearful pilgrimage to the White House, her sorrow - punctuated by a woman who questions her motives - is excruciating. At many screenings, her latter vignettes move audiences to tears. Documentary filmmaker Cory Kennedy says Lipscomb's scenes are among Fahrenheit 9/11's most moving. Former New York governor Mario Cuomo, hired by the film's distributors in a failed effort to get it a family-friendly PG-13 rating, says he found it difficult to watch her. "You see Lila living through a despair that will never leave," Cuomo says. Lipscomb has seen Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 several times. She finds it difficult to watch herself and tearfully concedes that the raw emotion surrounding her son's death remains intense. "I don't want any more mothers - Americans or Iraqis - to feel this pain," Lipscomb told USA TODAY on Monday. Still, moving from Bush supporter to war critic has been hard. "I grew up with the understanding that you support the president, no matter who he is," says Lipscomb, an office administrator in Flint, Mich.. "But after reading Michael's letters and seeing how angry and frustrated he was becoming and wondering why he was there in the first place, I started questioning why we were there." Lipscomb last saw Pedersen - nicknamed "Pistol Ped" for his basketball prowess - when he returned to Flint for Christmas in 2002. "There were a number of things he did that might have made him think he wasn't coming home," Lipscomb says. "He had a clear commitment to fulfilling his oath for this nation. Yet he had a clear understanding that he had been sent into harm's way for things that were not true." Lipscomb turned 50 Sunday. "I went to his grave hoping I could hear him say, 'Happy birthday, Mom,' " she says. "But I didn't get it." She has three other kids and seven grandchildren. Her oldest daughter, Jennifer, served in the military during the 1991 Gulf War but wasn't in the conflict. Pedersen, her second oldest, joined the Army at 19, when his job at a local Long John Silver's fast-food outlet failed to pay enough to buy diapers and formula for his newborn daughter, Destiny, now 8. Like many teens with limited job prospects, Pedersen had his mother's blessing. Two of Lipscomb's older brothers are Vietnam vets, and she believed military service would be a good experience for her eldest son: He could travel, learn a career and earn a decent income. "Who knew?" she now asks, shaking her head. Pedersen rose to Black Hawk crew chief and was planning to train as a pilot, put in his 20 years and then retire from the military. He was shipped first to Kuwait and later to Iraq. "We would send him boxes of beef jerky, Rice Krispies treats and Pepsi," Lipscomb says. "He loved cold Pepsi and Rice Krispies treats." Although Lipscomb and her husband, Howard, are both longtime Flint residents, they knew little of Moore, who was raised in nearby Davison and had made Flint a focal point in 1989's Roger & Me and 2002's Bowling for Columbine. A Moore staffer contacted Lipscomb after learning of her son's death. Though Moore has a reputation for being manipulative, Lipscomb says he made sure that she would not be offended by her scenes in the film, offering to remove anything she found troubling. "Michael was fantastic," Lipscomb says. "I hope everyone will see the film. I hope it will open people's eyes and make them begin to ask questions and start speaking up for themselves." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Yo
Re: [biofuel] Like to Introduce Myself - Ethanol Maker
linux4freaks wrote: > Hi! My name is Glenn Wehmeyer and my interest is in making ethanol > from acquired fermentable materials. I can see that a majority of > discussions are about biodiesel at the moment but I'm interesting in > all renewable fuels. > > Been making ethanol for a few months, next step after brewing beer all > these years... already know half the process. I'm currently looking > for ways to remove some of the water post fermentation and before > distillation. Ideally just trying to reduce the energy costs > associated with distillation. I will also be trying to get the Ethanol > closer to 99% in the future for other uses. > > Thanks for having me, > Glenn I believe you can use a reverse osmosis machine to reduce the amount of water. They are quite expensive though. See http://infoarchive.net/ and search under the biofuel, distillers, and new_distillers archives. Glad to have you here. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Palm oil...
This shows a bad side to even biodiesel, or at least palm oil production when a country has to destroy natural forest to make a quick buck. The average westerner has little concept of where and how food is produced and waste so much its easy to find waste sources for other (our) purposes. A problem that has been mentioned before is the cost of vegetable based oil. There is not a gross over supply to compete with dinofuel which prices it out of range, that subsidy seems huge considering my government taxes fuel at 0.39 cents per litre. What to do about it? many people smarter than me cant figure it out so I dont have a hope. Very good post Achmad, this broadens my horizons on problems I personaly did not think of. Regards Nick --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Achmad Hidayat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > Allow me to share some info about BD in Indonesia. > It is true Indonesia is major Palm Oil producer in the > world. Continues expansion has been made in order to > produce more palm oil by clearing "large amount Forest > Area and turn into Palm Oil Farm". It is estimated > that in 2007, Indonesia will become No.1 Palm Oil > producer in the world. > > It is quite depressing when people talking about > environmental concern and some businessman in > Indonesia turn rain forest into Palm Oil farm, but it > is the reality, it will always happened unless the > government put real action about environmental > concern. > > You will find some news about burned forest area in > Indonesia, and the smoke goes to the other country > such Singapore and Malaysia. Some of the burn is > caused by businessman activities, as easy/cheapest > ways for land clearance. > Now, you can imagine, it is very hard to talk about > Environmental concern in Indonesia. > But, the show must go on, we will not give up on it. > > Diesel fuel phenomena: > Petrol fuel price in Indonesia was subsidized by the > government; it is cost around USD 0.2 per liter for > Diesel Fuel (Very cheap hah? for you maybe, but many > Indonesian people think that it is quite high for > them). > I don't think raising the price is good option in here > (Recent condition). > > Back about BD. There are several actions have been > made: > 1.BD from Palm Oil. > It will cost around USD 0.5 for BD100, blending > formulation has been proposed to the government in > order to implement biodiesel, say 3% BD. So far, it is > not work, BD is not priority in Indonesia. Why Palm > Oil? Crude Palm Oil (CPO) price is quite high around > USD 340/Metric Ton. > BD research from crude palm oil is continue as > alternative if someday CPO price is falling when > Indonesia has over supply in CPO. > 2.BD from WVO (Palm Oil Based) > Actually, this is the best strategy for Indonesia. Why > it is not working? > Because major WVO from Franchise (McD, Kentucky) has > sell to somewhere places, I don't know where, but I > supposed it is goes to Oleochemical Industries. We are > trying to look into homes WVO, but so far it is not > works. It will only works if the goverment made a > policy that all WVO shall goes to BD Industries. > I dont know when it will happened. > 3.BD from CPO Plant Spill > So far, it is not shows any good progress. > 4.BD from other resources (Non Edible Oil Based) > This our latest option for BD. First we are not > talking about National scope, but prefer to remote > areas, where petrol fuel is very hard to find > (Indonesia consist of thousand island). We are > considering Castor (Non edible one) for BD. And we > hope we will have some good news about it. > > Technically, FFA wasn't a big problems, Indonesian > researcher have successfully solve this problems. > Waxing phenomena (14C) will not become problems in > Indonesia. Indeed, it will become big problems for > country with winter seasons. > > But, I am pretty sure that there is "additive formula" > has been found in order to solve the problems. One of > negative impact is lowering the cetane number. > > Okay, I hope it will give some pictures in Indonesia. > Anytime if members of this mailist would like to visit > Indonesia, please fell free to contact me. > > Best Regard, > Achmad N. Hidayat > > > --- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hm... I think you should read these: > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_SVO-Allen.html > > Straighter-than-straight vegetable oils as diesel > > fuels > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_SVO-palm.html > > Palm Oil as a Fuel for Agricultural Diesel Engines > > > > >The main problem with SVO using Palm oil is that it > > gums up. You'll get a > > >white sticky hue and it crystalizes as well leaving > > residue in the engine > > >and fuel lines. > > > > It doesn't gum up. There are two different things > > here. You need to > > understand what the Iodine Value of oils is and what > > it means. It's > > fully explained here: > > > > > > > > __ > Do yo
RE: [biofuel] Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
If I were in Dubya's shoes, which are more than likely too small for me anyway, I would have said, "Hey kids, I'm really sorry, but I've got to go take care of something real important, it's something that Presidents have to do from time to time." (pause for the 2nd grade whines of disappointment to subside) "I'll tell you what though, I'll have my assistant, Mr. Card here, schedule your whole class to come and visit me at the White House in a couple months. How's that sound?" (pause for 2nd grade cheers of excitement to subside) "Ok! Great! We'll see you then! Bye now!" and exit as quickly and quietly as possible. How long would that take? 30 seconds? A minute tops. When you're the Commander in Chief of the United States, The ability to think and act quickly and decicively in a crisis situation is not just a good quality, it's an essential quality. One that Bush hasn't shown any evidence of possessing. By the way, I wish you'd have given me your question in written form... Oh, wait, you just did... DUH! Will "I'm not a president, but I play one online" Dwyer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 12:43 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 I would certainly like to hear what you would have done in that situation. If he had jumped up and ran out of the room he would have caused panic. Of course then everyone on the left would say he showed bad form. If he made a statement right then and there, he would be speaking on almost no information. There was nothing he could do from where he was, there was nothing anyone could do. Perhaps he should have run to the local phone booth switched outfits and flown out to save the day, but aside from that, everyone was entirely helpless. Honestly, I don't think I'll be voting for Bush, but I don't think he did anything wrong before, during and the period after, 9/11. I don't think anyone would have, or could have done anything better without a seer to predict the future. My problems lie with his justifications for the Iraq war, buts thats another issue entirely. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Palm oil...
All, Allow me to share some info about BD in Indonesia. It is true Indonesia is major Palm Oil producer in the world. Continues expansion has been made in order to produce more palm oil by clearing "large amount Forest Area and turn into Palm Oil Farm". It is estimated that in 2007, Indonesia will become No.1 Palm Oil producer in the world. It is quite depressing when people talking about environmental concern and some businessman in Indonesia turn rain forest into Palm Oil farm, but it is the reality, it will always happened unless the government put real action about environmental concern. You will find some news about burned forest area in Indonesia, and the smoke goes to the other country such Singapore and Malaysia. Some of the burn is caused by businessman activities, as easy/cheapest ways for land clearance. Now, you can imagine, it is very hard to talk about Environmental concern in Indonesia. But, the show must go on, we will not give up on it. Diesel fuel phenomena: Petrol fuel price in Indonesia was subsidized by the government; it is cost around USD 0.2 per liter for Diesel Fuel (Very cheap hah? for you maybe, but many Indonesian people think that it is quite high for them). I dont think raising the price is good option in here (Recent condition). Back about BD. There are several actions have been made: 1. BD from Palm Oil. It will cost around USD 0.5 for BD100, blending formulation has been proposed to the government in order to implement biodiesel, say 3% BD. So far, it is not work, BD is not priority in Indonesia. Why Palm Oil? Crude Palm Oil (CPO) price is quite high around USD 340/Metric Ton. BD research from crude palm oil is continue as alternative if someday CPO price is falling when Indonesia has over supply in CPO. 2. BD from WVO (Palm Oil Based) Actually, this is the best strategy for Indonesia. Why it is not working? Because major WVO from Franchise (McD, Kentucky) has sell to somewhere places, I dont know where, but I supposed it is goes to Oleochemical Industries. We are trying to look into homes WVO, but so far it is not works. It will only works if the goverment made a policy that all WVO shall goes to BD Industries. I dont know when it will happened. 3. BD from CPO Plant Spill So far, it is not shows any good progress. 4. BD from other resources (Non Edible Oil Based) This our latest option for BD. First we are not talking about National scope, but prefer to remote areas, where petrol fuel is very hard to find (Indonesia consist of thousand island). We are considering Castor (Non edible one) for BD. And we hope we will have some good news about it. Technically, FFA wasnt a big problems, Indonesian researcher have successfully solve this problems. Waxing phenomena (14C) will not become problems in Indonesia. Indeed, it will become big problems for country with winter seasons. But, I am pretty sure that there is additive formula has been found in order to solve the problems. One of negative impact is lowering the cetane number. Okay, I hope it will give some pictures in Indonesia. Anytime if members of this mailist would like to visit Indonesia, please fell free to contact me. Best Regard, Achmad N. Hidayat --- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hm... I think you should read these: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_SVO-Allen.html > Straighter-than-straight vegetable oils as diesel > fuels > > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_SVO-palm.html > Palm Oil as a Fuel for Agricultural Diesel Engines > > >The main problem with SVO using Palm oil is that it > gums up. You'll get a > >white sticky hue and it crystalizes as well leaving > residue in the engine > >and fuel lines. > > It doesn't gum up. There are two different things > here. You need to > understand what the Iodine Value of oils is and what > it means. It's > fully explained here: > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Palm oil...
YES! Man... Thanks a lot! This was just what the Dr. ordered! I forward the links to the people I know in West Africa as well Thank you very much Keith, Jonathan Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hm... I think you should read these: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_SVO-Allen.html Straighter-than-straight vegetable oils as diesel fuels http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_SVO-palm.html Palm Oil as a Fuel for Agricultural Diesel Engines >The main problem with SVO using Palm oil is that it gums up. You'll get a >white sticky hue and it crystalizes as well leaving residue in the engine >and fuel lines. It doesn't gum up. There are two different things here. You need to understand what the Iodine Value of oils is and what it means. It's fully explained here: Iodine Values http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#iodine You really have to understand this if you're going to deal with SVO and biodiesel. Oils with high Iodine Values have low gelling temperatures and vice versa. BUT - oils with high Iodine Values are also drying oils: they polymerise, especially with heat. Oils with low Iodine Values don't polymerise, they're not drying oils, but they have higher gelling points. Gelling means it sets solid, like lard, no use for fuel - unless you heat it, then it melts again. Polymerisation of a drying oil means it hardens irreversibly into a plastic-like solid - heating it won't melt it again. This is why drying oils with high Iodine Values like linseed or tung oil are used in paints. Not what you want in your motor, whether as SVO or as biodiesel. Think of polyester resin used for glass fibre - for gelling, think of butter. Palm oil has a low Iodine Value and will not dry. It will however gel at quite a high temperature. And that's what's happening to you - the "white hue" is the stearin and palmitin in the palm oil. It's not gumming up, it's waxing up. You can't use palm oil in Canada. You can't use palm oil biodiesel in Canada either. What you seem to be missing is that Ircham is in Indonesia, and Jonathan is talking of using it in West Africa, not places where it gets cold. Palm oil will be just fine for them. >Cetane rating on Palm oil is quite high but I don't use it >because it does gum up. It has to be turned into BD to be used properly. >If you are going to use it as SVO a B20 is about as high as I'd push it and >that would be in warm weather. I'm using Soya oil as a B50 SVO in a >volkswagon TDI (2003) during the summer time, but in winter it's no more >than B20. Maybe you should read this too: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_TDI.html The TDI-SVO controversy You should at least be pre-heating your SVO (in which case you could use palm oil too wihout it "gumming up"). >Palm oil is alot heavier Heavier? >than soy or cannolla and the weather >plays a big part in how rich the SVO ratio will be. You also have to look at >costs, since Palm oil is also a cooking oil, it's going to set you back a >pretty penny even if you could use it as a B100. West Africa and Indonesia are major world producers of palm oil. Anyway your point isn't very clear - both soy and canola are also cooking oils. >As for refining, I'm looking around at some of the smaller kits but have >not made a purchase yet. You mean for making biodiesel? Beware! Make your own! Best Keith >Just something about storing chemicals in the >garage in todays day and age -might give people the wrong impression of >what's going on in the kitchen. Especially being a minority. > >Have fun! > >SM > > > > > >- Original Message - >From: "Jonathan Dunlap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 7:33 AM >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Palm oil... > > > > Thanks! I don't know what to do just yet But I will very soon! > > > > Jonathan > > > > Mochammad Ircham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It was refined palm oil, straight vegetable oil. It's > > so hard to find the WVO in here because the people > > still use it for their food. > > No, we still apply B10 and B20, I don't think B100 > > will be save to vehicle without any change especially > > in plastic part. > > Ofcourse, we put a sign. Mr. Keith, do you know any > > idea how to refine the glycerine lye. I think vacuum > > distillation still expensive for small scale purpose. > > > > regards, > > Ircham > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > - > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >To visit your group on th
[biofuel] Like to Introduce Myself - Ethanol Maker
Hi! My name is Glenn Wehmeyer and my interest is in making ethanol from acquired fermentable materials. I can see that a majority of discussions are about biodiesel at the moment but I'm interesting in all renewable fuels. Been making ethanol for a few months, next step after brewing beer all these years... already know half the process. I'm currently looking for ways to remove some of the water post fermentation and before distillation. Ideally just trying to reduce the energy costs associated with distillation. I will also be trying to get the Ethanol closer to 99% in the future for other uses. Thanks for having me, Glenn Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Palm oil...
Yeah Very bad for ones health. However, I know this can be used for the making of "Biofuel". But will it form any deposits in the engine? Jonathan Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >It was refined palm oil, straight vegetable oil. It's >so hard to find the WVO in here because the people >still use it for their food. Aarghhh! Not good for their health! But I know it happens, not just in Indonesia. >No, we still apply B10 and B20, I don't think B100 >will be save to vehicle without any change especially >in plastic part. Unless it's a very old vehicle it'll be fine, as long as you wash the biodiesel properly first. Please see: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#rubber Biodiesel and your vehicle > Compatibility: Rubber Have a look at Maria Alovert's comment (Girl Mark). We agree with that, that's what we've found too. Even if it does happen (unlikely), it won't be sudden, you'll have plenty of warning. Just put it in and go! >Of course, we put a sign. Good! >Mr. Keith, do you know any >idea how to refine the glycerin lye. Depends what you mean. Have you seen this? Separating glycerin http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html#separate Purifying glycerin http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html#purify >I think vacuum >distillation still expensive for small scale purpose. I think so too. But it all depends on what you can find a market for and how the economics of it work out. In our case, it doesn't bother us, we use it all up! By the way, please, no need for "Mr", and my apologies, did I get your name the wrong way round? Mochammad is your family name and Ircham your given name? Please pardon my asking. Best wishes Keith >regards, >Ircham Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC & Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Palm oil...
Thanks for your input. Now if and when I use the palm oil, I will be in West Africa and I will only use it there to make Biofuel or Biodiesel. Here in the States... I don't know what I'm going to do just yet. I have to think about the same issues as you. Jonathan Sumit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The main problem with SVO using Palm oil is that it gums up. You'll get a white sticky hue and it crystalizes as well leaving residue in the engine and fuel lines. Cetane rating on Palm oil is quite high but I don't use it because it does gum up. It has to be turned into BD to be used properly. If you are going to use it as SVO a B20 is about as high as I'd push it and that would be in warm weather. I'm using Soya oil as a B50 SVO in a volkswagon TDI (2003) during the summer time, but in winter it's no more than B20. Palm oil is alot heavier than soy or cannolla and the weather plays a big part in how rich the SVO ratio will be. You also have to look at costs, since Palm oil is also a cooking oil, it's going to set you back a pretty penny even if you could use it as a B100. As for refining, I'm looking around at some of the smaller kits but have not made a purchase yet. Just something about storing chemicals in the garage in todays day and age -might give people the wrong impression of what's going on in the kitchen. Especially being a minority. Have fun! SM - Original Message - From: "Jonathan Dunlap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Palm oil... > Thanks! I don't know what to do just yet But I will very soon! > > Jonathan > > Mochammad Ircham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It was refined palm oil, straight vegetable oil. It's > so hard to find the WVO in here because the people > still use it for their food. > No, we still apply B10 and B20, I don't think B100 > will be save to vehicle without any change especially > in plastic part. > Ofcourse, we put a sign. Mr. Keith, do you know any > idea how to refine the glycerine lye. I think vacuum > distillation still expensive for small scale purpose. > > regards, > Ircham > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > > - > Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > J.J.A.M., Inc. > Jonathan Lynden Dunlap > IS Network Systems Analyst > Your PC & Linux Specialist > P.O. Box 4209 > Inglewood, California 90309-4209 > 323-779-2752/Home > > > > > - > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC & Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [biofuel] Digest Number 2218
Irwin, Irwin, Irwin, I'm afraid your only point I agree with is that people should defend their points of view, just be careful your defense does not leave you blind. >losing jobs is never any one's fault, no matter why! Umm, what? Cause and effect. I once lost my job as a bus driver after being late 4 times in one year. Now I can blame the chronically late BART trains, the unpredictable bay bridge traffic, but really, that one was my fault. I tend to agree with your statement from the standpoint of Northern California old growth forests. I never felt too bad for those lumberjacks put out of work because we preserved some slight percent of the forest. I mean, move on, get educated, whatever, what you do for a living is not sustainable, I don't care. Then a friend of mine who works for the US Deforestation Service offered his point of view: limiting logging didn't cause those lumber mills to close, shipping logs to Japan un-milled caused those mills to close. We brought that on our brothers to make a buck. There's always a cause, man. >-if they didn't expect to die[,] why did they put on a uniform[?] Because someone closed the plant in their town and they needed college money. Or because military membership was compulsory. My dad didn't want to die when he got sent to Nam. And how does your statement apply to collateral damage? Perhaps you ment: 'If they didn't want to die, why did they make their home on top of an oil field?' I mean, all them middle easterners could just surrender, right, we'll leave 'em alone? Only the missiles haven't been in Cuba for quite some years and I still can't buy cigars there. I don't think the US will stop until the enemy's will is broken. This is not a very honorable goal. Nor is it possible for US to stick around that long when we have a new enemy state every other year. >Its our right to call the shots and decide who lives and who dies Oh that's right, we're the ONE nation under God. Wait a minute, aren't you advocating playing God? Wouldn't that make US the ONE nation ABOVE God? >They started it. S second grade. If I was your teacher I would send you both to the Principal's Office. The Bible also has a great misquote on this point: "An eye for an eye..." Actually, lets look at the entire passage: Exodus 21:22 "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. 23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise." [The Bible] The US has been doing a lot fighting lately, I wonder how many eyes, teeth, hands, and bruises we owe the world. -Steve Did you hear they are going to start minting a Reagan Dime? Trouble is, it'll only be worth 4 cents. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] 81% of US support Climate Stewardship Act
Published on Monday, June 28, 2004 by OneWorld.net Two Thirds of US Public Willing to Pay to Fight Global Warming by Jim Lobe http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0628-11.htm WASHINGTON - More than 80 percent of the U.S. public supports pending legislation to cut the emission of greenhouse gases, while two thirds said they are willing to pay the U.S.$15 a month - or nearly $200 a year - that experts believe the legislation, the Climate Stewardship Act (CSA), will cost the average household, according to a nationwide poll released Friday. Public support is also strong for using tax incentives to encourage utility companies to use cleaner energy technologies and car-buyers to purchase more energy-efficient cars, according to the survey, which was conducted by the University of Maryland's Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA). Moreover, slightly more than half of respondents (52 percent) said a candidate's support for the cutting emissions would incline them more to vote for them in November, while only 14 percent said that such support would make them less inclined to vote for him. Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry has endorsed the bill, officially known as the Climate Stewardship Act (CSA), while President George W. Bush opposes it. Nearly two-thirds of respondents (64 percent) said they would want their member of Congress to support the Kyoto Protocol, which is also supported by Kerry but opposed by Bush. The poll, which coincided with the running of the Hollywood special-effects blockbuster on global warming, 'The Day After Tomorrow,' found that the movie did not appreciably affect viewer attitudes toward global warming or the urgency with which the problem should be addressed. But it did find that the goals of the CSA, which is better known as the McCain-Lieberman bill after its two main co-sponsors, Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain and Connecticut Democratic Sen. Joseph Lieberman, have broad support among the 753 randomly chosen respondents who answered detailed questions between June 8-14. Funding for the survey was provided by the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, the Ford Foundation, and the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation. The Act, which was endorsed by the 27 members of the non-governmental Sustainable Energy Coalition (SEG) earlier this month, aims to bring U.S. levels of greenhouse gas emissions to year 2000 levels by 2010 and down again to 1990 levels by 2020. These goals fall somewhat short of those established under the Kyoto Protocol, which calls for bringing emissions down to 1990 levels by no later than 2012. The United States, which currently accounts for about 25 percent of total global emissions, signed the Protocol under the Clinton administration, but Bush withdrew from the treaty in the spring of 2001. The CSA's goals... CONTINUED http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0628-11.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fahrenheit 9/11
Box Office Tally Climbs for 'Fahrenheit 9/11' Jun 28, 2004 http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=entertainmentNews&storyID=5534559 LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Box-office fever for Michael Moore's searing anti-Bush documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11" climbed a bit higher on Monday as distributors touted record-breaking ticket sales about $2 million more than first reported. According to a final tally of weekend receipts, Moore's critique of President Bush and his policies since the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on America grossed $23.9 million during its first three days of release across the United States and Canada. That made it No. 1 at the box office and surpassed the $21.5 million generated by Moore's previous film, the Oscar-winning "Bowling for Columbine," as the highest-grossing documentary ever. All told, the movie's total stood at just over $24 million counting the head-start it received on Wednesday in two Manhattan theaters generating extra media buzz before expanding to a relatively modest 868 theaters two days later. Previous tallies reported Sunday had Moore's film grossing $21.8 million since Friday. By contrast, most of the other movies in the top five were showing in more than 2,500 theaters each, giving "Fahrenheit 9/11" a much higher per-theater average -- above $27,000 -- than any of its competition and demonstrating that it was playing to packed houses. The comedy "White Chicks" opened at No. 2 with $19.6 million in Friday-through-Sunday ticket sales, the same as reported over the weekend. Distributors Lions Gate Films and IFC Films have said release of the film, already unprecedented for a political documentary, would be expanded further in the weeks ahead. Tom Ortenberg, Lions Gate distribution president, said the film played strongly in big cities and small towns, alike, and in Democratic as well as Republican states. Next week, the film faces far stiffer competition from the highly anticipated opening of "Spider-Man 2." Moore's film suggests that Bush's response to the September 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon were clouded by his relatives' close ties to the Saudi Arabian elite, including Osama bin Laden's family. It further claims that the Bush administration stoked public fears about terrorism to support a needless and costly invasion of Iraq. Moore and backers of the film have said they hope it can influence the outcome of the November presidential race. Republican supporters dismiss the movie as a blatant piece of political propaganda. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
