[biofuel] Perendev tooling up for magnetic motor
Perendev is Tooling Up for Magnetic Motor Mass Production Hi all, This will be interesting. Perendev is Tooling Up for Magnetic Motor Mass Production in Europe http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/7/prwebxml138231.php regards Get your daily alternative energy news fix http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ news-resources-forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fw: Smuggled message to the people of France
you can see the tag at http://www.lepow.com/tag/ or http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_anti_bush_label.htm On Jul 15, 2004, at 15:09, Jennifer Doty wrote: Sorry about sending an attachment, but you have got to see this!Ê It's great.Ê Promise no bugs. Ê The attached picture shows a label from a nylon laptop travel bag that Ê is made by a small company here in the USA to be sold in France. Notice Ê the English text.Ê Then note the longer French text, which translates: Ê Wash with warm water. Use mild soap. Dry flat. Do not use bleach. Do Ê not dry in the dryer. Do not iron. We are sorry that our President is an Ê idiot. We did not vote for him. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT lrec_companion_043004.gif l.gif Yahoo! Groups Links ð To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ Ê ðTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ê ðYour use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Dutch biodiesel forums
Any around? (If not , i got one up and running) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] US Climate Stewardship Act
VIEWPOINT: As world overheats, arguments against global warming dry up By Joe Richardson Jul. 14, 2004 http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforksherald/news/opinion/9148271.htm FARGO - On July 10, the Herald ran a letter by Eric Aasmundstad [president of the North Dakota Farm Bureau] that suggests global warming and climate change are mere products of doomsday pop culture. His pop culture includes most climate scientists, including several from NASA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and Goddard Space Center, all joining conservative insurance-industry leaders from Insurance Australia Group, Association of British Insurers, Swiss RE, Munich RE - and even the Department of Defense, which has been planning scenarios on the political destabilization that could accompany abrupt climate change. Here are just two examples. Insurance Australia Group or IAG writes that IAG believes that human-induced climate change is now a reality and that it must be addressed with appropriate urgency. In June, Stefan Heyd of the board of management of Munich Re Group, a large reinsurance group, said, For over 30 years now, we have been observing the effects of the substantial increase in weather-related loss events, by which we mean windstorms, hailstorms, and floods. These confront the affected economies and the insurance industry with ever-increasing loss payments. The causes are to be found on the one hand in population increase and the concentration of larger and larger values. On the other hand, a major contribution is also made by the impact of carbon dioxide on our atmosphere resulting from the use of fossil resources. Promoting renewable energies is, therefore, a form of active risk prevention - which will benefit our own portfolio too. In his Jan. 26 Fortune magazine article, Climate Collapse, Growing Evidence of Scary Change, David Stipp writes, The spotlight in climate research is shifting from gradual to rapid change. In 2002, the National Academy of Sciences issued a report concluding that human activities could trigger abrupt change. Last year, the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, included a session at which Robert Gagosian, director of Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts, urged policy-makers to consider the implications of possible abrupt climate change within two decades. I note that entities such as Alcoa, DuPont and the National Farmers Union actually went on record in support of S.139, the McCain-Lieberman Climate Stewardship bill. Without providing a source, Aasmundstad says the real problem with this kind of legislation is that it takes money out of consumers' pockets, estimated at an average of $2,600 per household. The Massachusetts Institute of Technology Joint Program on the Science and Policy of Global Change is an independent research, policy analysis and public education program. It prepared an analysis of the McCain-Lieberman Climate Stewardship Act and concluded that the loss to the economy is on the order of 0.07 percent to 0.25 percent in 2010, rising to between 0.11 percent to 0.40 percent in 2020. This would translate to an annual loss of about $50 to $175 per household in 2010, rising to $100 to $350 per household in 2020. I challenge Aasmundstad to offer credible proof to his doomsday-ish statements that many farmers would go out of business, reliable energy would be placed at risk, job losses across the state would result and our North Dakota economy done significant harm by passage of this bill. I doubt he has done the analysis. Conservatives err on the side of caution. At this point, the prudent and cautious approach is to accept that climate change is a real possibility. If we are wrong, we will have increased our use of clean renewable energy. If we are right, we have no regrets. But if we go with Aasmundstad and against most climate scientists, the insurance industry and so many others, we will do irreparable damage. Aasmundstad would like us all to stand with him in wishing climate change away. He is certain to get a few coal-captive nervous politicians to join him, but I have faith in most North Dakotans knowing an opportunity when they see one. The Energy Information Administration forecasts that passage of McCain-Lieberman would lead to a marked rise in the use of renewable energy, to 23 percent of electricity use in 2020. Given North Dakota's No. 1 wind resource status, this could be a huge boom for our state, especially in rural areas. I know of no other legislation offered at the federal level that would better drive the use of renewable energy. The McCain-Lieberman Climate Stewardship Act is good conservative legislation that has the very real potential to drive a boom in North Dakota renewable energy development, not the doom Aasmundstad so wrongly suggests. Richardson is founder and past president of Harnessing Dakota Wind.
[biofuel] Big Oil on Global Warming
If big oil companies say global warming can be controlled, why not urge them on? A warm welcome to the attitude change on global climate change By ERIC REGULY Thursday, July 8, 2004 - Page B2 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040708/RREGUL08/TPBusiness/TopStories A couple of weeks ago, a speech on climate change was delivered at the Council on Foreign Relations, the New York think tank and publisher. It would be too great a risk to stand by [and] do nothing, the speaker said. Fighting climate change later, when it becomes a serious problem, instead of now, while there's still some chance it can be controlled, could be so disruptive as to cause serious damage to the world's economy. Another alarmist eco-fanatic on the pulpit? The speaker in fact was John Browne, chief executive officer of BP, the world's second-largest oil company. Global warming is happening, burning hydrocarbons is responsible for it and measures can be taken to slow the rate of increase, he said, such as converting coal-burning electricity plants to natural gas, improving the fuel economy of cars, building nuclear generating plants and developing wind and solar power. Lord Browne is no energy industry pariah. Last month, Ronald Oxburgh, chairman of Shell Transport and Trading, the British arm of the Royal Dutch/Shell Group of companies, said he sees very little hope for the world unless there is a reduction in the emissions of carbon dioxide, the main greenhouse gas. About the same time, John Rowe, CEO of Chicago's Exelon, a $22-billion (U.S.) electricity and natural gas company, told a global warming conference it is time for the U.S. government to limit carbon dioxide emissions. For some time, he has been saying I think the climate change problem is real. In Canada, Frank Dottori, CEO of Tembec, one of the largest forest product companies, argues that the Kyoto accord on climate change, of which Canada is, at best, a half-hearted supporter, should not be tossed onto the scrap heap (as the Americans have done, and the Conservative Party wants to do, but not the NDP or the Bloc Qubcois). Greenhouse gas emissions have to come down for the sake of the planet, he says. What is happening here? To read the mainstream press in recent years, you would think anyone who still believes global warming is man-made is crazy, misinformed, hopelessly biased or all three. Those who think global warming should not be ignored, a group that includes hundreds, perhaps thousands, of peer-reviewed scientists and climate change experts, get little attention. The smaller number of skeptics continues to get disproportionately large coverage. Take BP's Lord Browne. When he outlined his plans for carbon dioxide reduction, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, the U.S. public policy group that thinks any form of environmental regulation is an attack on life, liberty and the pursuit of SUVs, called Lord Browne's agenda misdirection and wasted effort. The institute's comments were widely reported. When Exelon's Mr. Rowe had the nerve to say industry is spewing out too much carbon dioxide, Republican Senator James Inhofe pumped out a press release that dismissed his speech as hypocritical. Why? Because Exelon, an owner of nuclear generating plants, would benefit if carbon dioxide restrictions put a few coal burners out of business. Mr. Inhofe, chairman of the Senate environment committee, dismisses global warming as a hoax (he has also voted against protecting drinking water and improving auto fuel economy standards). It would be stretching it to say the executives who believe climate change is an environmental and economic disaster in the making are finally winning the publicity war. But more and more of them say something has to be done. The European executives are at the forefront of effort. In Europe, saying global warming is a threat that has to be dealt with hardly makes you a freak. This is partly because the European Union has adopted Kyoto and will launch a mandatory greenhouse gas emissions trading scheme early next year. So fighting Kyoto has become somewhat of an exercise in futility. The EU, though, has won support among many industries because the trading system is designed to take some of the pain out of reducing emissions. If your company brings its emissions in below the target level, it can make money by selling surplus emissions credits to companies above the target. Industries also find that using less energy has the twin benefit of reducing costs and the output of greenhouse gases. In North America, fewer executives in fewer industries will say climate change is a danger that has to be controlled. Their belief, apparently, is that energy use will soar, taking greenhouse gas emissions up with it. In other words, the emissions are a necessary and inevitable byproduct of economic growth, so don't fight
[biofuel] Re: Oil Stove thingy - was Re: Digest Number 2248
PLEASE change the title when you auto-reply to a message in the Daily Digest. Nobody'll read a message titled Re: Digest Number 2248, it confuses the threads and fouls up archives searches forever. Thankyou. Keith Addison List owner Thanks Todd I have made 2 turk type burners and I am just getting into a 3rd mini version and they all use forced (fan air) but I was thinking that if I could put something like that cylindrical thing in maybe it would help to maintain the high heat so I could switch off the fan and leave it go on draught instead. Do you have any ideas as to how I could make one and what out of or is it just 'steel'? Thanks You'll find a smilar device in any ventless kerosene heater. It's a steel radiator, cylindrical with multiple holes, heated by the combusted fuel to the point of red hot, which in turn better atomizes/vaporizes the fuel creating greater efficiency. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Go Hoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 11:56 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Oil Stove thingy About half way down the page at http://www.kumastoves.com/oil_stoves.html there is a picture of the burning centre of the stove looking very much like a Turk burner but at the very centre there is a cylindrical mesh feature - does anyone know what it is, what it does and what its made of? (I have asked them but no reply has been forthcoming). Thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Perendev tooling up for magnetic motor
tallex2002 wrote: Perendev is Tooling Up for Magnetic Motor Mass Production Hi all, This will be interesting. Perendev is Tooling Up for Magnetic Motor Mass Production in Europe http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/7/prwebxml138231.php regards It won't be interesting, it'll be a scam to get money to invest in it. It's impossible, illogical, unscientific, and getting very irritating to real science. http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm -- Martin Klingensmith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Oil Stove thingy
Beats me exactly as to what type of steel composition the pre-heater is. Don't think it so much matters as much as the mechanical design. Walk into a store that distributes those ventless kerosene heaters and you'll have more than ample opportunity to see exactly what the general dimensions/design is. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Go Hoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 2248 Thanks Todd I have made 2 turk type burners and I am just getting into a 3rd mini version and they all use forced (fan air) but I was thinking that if I could put something like that cylindrical thing in maybe it would help to maintain the high heat so I could switch off the fan and leave it go on draught instead. Do you have any ideas as to how I could make one and what out of or is it just 'steel'? Thanks You'll find a smilar device in any ventless kerosene heater. It's a steel radiator, cylindrical with multiple holes, heated by the combusted fuel to the point of red hot, which in turn better atomizes/vaporizes the fuel creating greater efficiency. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Go Hoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 11:56 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Oil Stove thingy About half way down the page at http://www.kumastoves.com/oil_stoves.html there is a picture of the burning centre of the stove looking very much like a Turk burner but at the very centre there is a cylindrical mesh feature - does anyone know what it is, what it does and what its made of? (I have asked them but no reply has been forthcoming). Thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fw: Smuggled message to the people of France
Thank you Rob. Bank on it getting forwarded a few more thousand times. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fw: Smuggled message to the people of France you can see the tag at http://www.lepow.com/tag/ or http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_anti_bush_label.htm On Jul 15, 2004, at 15:09, Jennifer Doty wrote: Sorry about sending an attachment, but you have got to see this! It's great. Promise no bugs. The attached picture shows a label from a nylon laptop travel bag that is made by a small company here in the USA to be sold in France. Notice the English text. Then note the longer French text, which translates: Wash with warm water. Use mild soap. Dry flat. Do not use bleach. Do not dry in the dryer. Do not iron. We are sorry that our President is an idiot. We did not vote for him. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT lrec_companion_043004.gif l.gif Yahoo! Groups Links . To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ . To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Big Oil on Global Warming
Controlled, sir, is the key word. Think about what they've controlled thus far. - Original Message - From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:10 PM Subject: [biofuel] Big Oil on Global Warming If big oil companies say global warming can be controlled, why not urge them on? A warm welcome to the attitude change on global climate change By ERIC REGULY Thursday, July 8, 2004 - Page B2 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040708/RREGUL08/TPBusiness/TopStories A couple of weeks ago, a speech on climate change was delivered at the Council on Foreign Relations, the New York think tank and publisher. It would be too great a risk to stand by [and] do nothing, the speaker said. Fighting climate change later, when it becomes a serious problem, instead of now, while there's still some chance it can be controlled, could be so disruptive as to cause serious damage to the world's economy. Another alarmist eco-fanatic on the pulpit? The speaker in fact was John Browne, chief executive officer of BP, the world's second-largest oil company. Global warming is happening, burning hydrocarbons is responsible for it and measures can be taken to slow the rate of increase, he said, such as converting coal-burning electricity plants to natural gas, improving the fuel economy of cars, building nuclear generating plants and developing wind and solar power. Lord Browne is no energy industry pariah. Last month, Ronald Oxburgh, chairman of Shell Transport and Trading, the British arm of the Royal Dutch/Shell Group of companies, said he sees very little hope for the world unless there is a reduction in the emissions of carbon dioxide, the main greenhouse gas. About the same time, John Rowe, CEO of Chicago's Exelon, a $22-billion (U.S.) electricity and natural gas company, told a global warming conference it is time for the U.S. government to limit carbon dioxide emissions. For some time, he has been saying I think the climate change problem is real. In Canada, Frank Dottori, CEO of Tembec, one of the largest forest product companies, argues that the Kyoto accord on climate change, of which Canada is, at best, a half-hearted supporter, should not be tossed onto the scrap heap (as the Americans have done, and the Conservative Party wants to do, but not the NDP or the Bloc Qubcois). Greenhouse gas emissions have to come down for the sake of the planet, he says. What is happening here? To read the mainstream press in recent years, you would think anyone who still believes global warming is man-made is crazy, misinformed, hopelessly biased or all three. Those who think global warming should not be ignored, a group that includes hundreds, perhaps thousands, of peer-reviewed scientists and climate change experts, get little attention. The smaller number of skeptics continues to get disproportionately large coverage. Take BP's Lord Browne. When he outlined his plans for carbon dioxide reduction, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, the U.S. public policy group that thinks any form of environmental regulation is an attack on life, liberty and the pursuit of SUVs, called Lord Browne's agenda misdirection and wasted effort. The institute's comments were widely reported. When Exelon's Mr. Rowe had the nerve to say industry is spewing out too much carbon dioxide, Republican Senator James Inhofe pumped out a press release that dismissed his speech as hypocritical. Why? Because Exelon, an owner of nuclear generating plants, would benefit if carbon dioxide restrictions put a few coal burners out of business. Mr. Inhofe, chairman of the Senate environment committee, dismisses global warming as a hoax (he has also voted against protecting drinking water and improving auto fuel economy standards). It would be stretching it to say the executives who believe climate change is an environmental and economic disaster in the making are finally winning the publicity war. But more and more of them say something has to be done. The European executives are at the forefront of effort. In Europe, saying global warming is a threat that has to be dealt with hardly makes you a freak. This is partly because the European Union has adopted Kyoto and will launch a mandatory greenhouse gas emissions trading scheme early next year. So fighting Kyoto has become somewhat of an exercise in futility. The EU, though, has won support among many industries because the trading system is designed to take some of the pain out of reducing emissions. If your company brings its emissions in below the target level, it can make money by selling surplus emissions credits to companies above the target. Industries also find that using less energy has the twin benefit of reducing costs and the output of greenhouse gases. In North America, fewer executives in fewer industries will say climate change is a danger that has to be
[biofuel] Thin Layer on Top - Todd?
Hey all, Ran the Blender Batch yesterday and came away with a puzzling result. I've been pouring over the archives for a while and have come up short of answers. The best input yet is from Todd: Should you ever find the lesser volume layer on top after the reaction, you will know that you did not use enough catalyst to overcome the amount free fatty acids in the feedstock. In such an instance, your catalyst simply made soap and the unused alcohol is resting on top of the oil. There's a remedy for this error, but it's unimportant until it happens. Details for my Blender Batch are: Sodium Hydroxide (3.5g) and Methanol (200ml) mixed in a HDPE container, agitated with a hand blender for about 15 minutes. 1 Litre of store-bought canola raised to 140F then poured into a 4 Litre tough glass jar with narrowing mouth. Methoxide added. Then I agitated the batch with a hand blender for 15 minutes straight. The mixture stratified into 2 distinct layers - Brown viscous substance on the bottom (glycerin?) and a very light golden substance on the top. The brown layer was about 15% by volume. We thought we had biodiesel on our hands. Yet, in the morning (after sitting for about 8 hours), a very thin dark golden layer formed on the top. It's a very thin layer. Furthermore, when I took the cap off of the jar this morning (jar had been in direct sunlight for hours), the fumes blew the cap out of my hand. I took a bit of toilet paper and absorbed a bit of the substance on top, then took a match to it - and it LIT OFF. Furthermore, there is now a small island of whitish stuff forming at the very bottom (unreacted lye?). Did I not agitate long enough? Was the methoxide not blended well enough? Did I form free fatty's by heating the oil too much? But wouldn't free fatty's sit under the BD (or unreacted oil) or mix with it? Todd, you mentioned that there was a remedy for this situation. Now might be a good time. All the best, Joey Hundert Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fw: Smuggled message to the people of France
Not a problem, just doing my little bit to try to get an true US President Elected. We really don't want the guy who lost running this country into the ground.LOL. To those who don't believe this just grin and bare it and read http://www.lumpen.com/coup2k/framer.html?pg=1 And to the list owner sorry if we are getting off topic, you can spank us if you wish. On Jul 17, 2004, at 00:02, Appal Energy wrote: Thank you Rob. Bank on it getting forwarded a few more thousand times. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fw: Smuggled message to the people of France you can see the tag at http://www.lepow.com/tag/ or http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_anti_bush_label.htm On Jul 15, 2004, at 15:09, Jennifer Doty wrote: Sorry about sending an attachment, but you have got to see this! It's great. Promise no bugs. Ê The attached picture shows a label from a nylon laptop travel bag that Ê is made by a small company here in the USA to be sold in France. Notice Ê the English text. Then note the longer French text, which translates: Ê Wash with warm water. Use mild soap. Dry flat. Do not use bleach. Do Ê not dry in the dryer. Do not iron. We are sorry that our President is an Ê idiot. We did not vote for him. Ê [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Ê Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Ê Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. Ê To unsubscribe, send an email to: Ê [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT lrec_companion_043004.gif l.gif Yahoo! Groups Links . To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ . To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Ê [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT lrec_companion_043004.gif l.gif Yahoo! Groups Links ð To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ Ê ðTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ê ðYour use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fw: Smuggled message to the people of France
Hello Rob Not a problem, just doing my little bit to try to get an true US President Elected. We really don't want the guy who lost running this country into the ground.LOL. To those who don't believe this just grin and bare it and read http://www.lumpen.com/coup2k/framer.html?pg=1 And to the list owner sorry if we are getting off topic, you can spank us if you wish. I'm aware you're joking, and I do indeed have a sense of humour, but this failed to bring a smile. In fact I strongly object to that idea - to both of them, getting off topic, and especially to the idea that I'm some sort of schoolmarm that has to keep members in line, to bully us all into shape when we get out of hand, like a bunch of little kids who don't know any better, and even more to the idea that the list should need such a thing. As you should know - more than that, as you're OBLIGED to know. I know you're a relative newcomer here, but all this came up since you joined. If you don't know about it then you should, and you should now take steps to mend that omission. If you do know about it, then I find your remark flip and superficial. Don't jump to the conclusion that I'm taking it personally, I'm not, and if I did you'd be left in no doubt about it whatsoever. It's not a personal matter, I have very good reasons for taking this seriously, I'm not at all the only one who does so, and it's the list itself that it concerns, not me. Nor is it in any way an objection to the link you posted, if you think it is then have a look in the archive and you'll find I've posted articles on this subject myself, and so have quite a few others here. So, first, please read this - if you've read it already then read it again: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/36634/ About getting off topic, we don't have very many rules, but we do have rules on that: NO TOPIC COPS. NO CALLS FOR RESTRICTED DISCUSSION. Here are a couple of recent views on it: Frankly, I don't know how to separate biofuels from politics. Politicians enact the rules that determine if biofuels are legal, and if legal what standards must be met for sale, and if available for sale, how they will be taxed. Politicians determine what subsidies will be provided to the petrochemical industry, and big biofuels, and what obstacles will be put in front of small biofuels producers. Biofuels are not going to be produced, marketed or used in a vacuum. The relative prices of fossil fuels relative to biofuels where they can be used interchangeably is going to be a huge factor in the mass acceptance of biofuels. When you recognize the degree of inter-mingling between corporatism and governments (especially senior governments), and the agenda of the current power elite, biofuels are a clear threat and that makes them political. There are people who embrace biofuels specifically because they see them as a means to reduce dependence on foreign (i.e. Middle East) oil, or reduce the number of people sacrificed in oil wars, or because it is better for the environment. That's political. My initial interest in biodiesel was the diversion of waste vegetable oil from our local landfill. Definitely political. I want to see the implications of my interest in biofuels, good, bad and indifferent so I am making informed choices, whether those implications are environmental, financial, social or political. And: It's the tangential and improbable off topics which have subsequently proved to be veritable lodestones of information, and not merely on biofuels. Besides, man does not live by bread alone and, at least for me, reading the list is a continual liberal education, daily broadening horizons and bringing different viewpoints into my ken. There have been many more such. The Biofuel list has a wide and diverse international membership and what is on- or off-topic, what does and doesn't have to do with biofuels, is a matter of opinion, it varies very widely. Anything that has to do with energy has relevance for biofuels issues. Please read these two previous messages in the archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/35681/ http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/36185/1/ (Read the whole thread.) Thankyou. Keith Addison List owner On Jul 17, 2004, at 00:02, Appal Energy wrote: Thank you Rob. Bank on it getting forwarded a few more thousand times. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fw: Smuggled message to the people of France you can see the tag at http://www.lepow.com/tag/ or http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_anti_bush_label.htm On Jul 15, 2004, at 15:09, Jennifer Doty wrote: Sorry about sending an attachment, but you have got to see this! It's great. Promise no bugs. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a
[biofuel] Re: Oil Stove thingy
First off I know NOTHING about such things, although the idea of going into a store that deals with kero stoves is good and you would more than likely be able to simply buy a spare element and then adapt it to your application, no ? Problemo solvo'd :) Like I said, I know nothing about it but thought I'd take a whack at it. Aren't most of those things aluminium or an aluminium/magnesium mix ? L. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beats me exactly as to what type of steel composition the pre- heater is. Don't think it so much matters as much as the mechanical design. Walk into a store that distributes those ventless kerosene heaters and you'll have more than ample opportunity to see exactly what the general dimensions/design is. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Go Hoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 2248 Thanks Todd I have made 2 turk type burners and I am just getting into a 3rd mini version and they all use forced (fan air) but I was thinking that if I could put something like that cylindrical thing in maybe it would help to maintain the high heat so I could switch off the fan and leave it go on draught instead. Do you have any ideas as to how I could make one and what out of or is it just 'steel'? Thanks You'll find a smilar device in any ventless kerosene heater. It's a steel radiator, cylindrical with multiple holes, heated by the combusted fuel to the point of red hot, which in turn better atomizes/vaporizes the fuel creating greater efficiency. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Go Hoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 11:56 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Oil Stove thingy About half way down the page at http://www.kumastoves.com/oil_stoves.html there is a picture of the burning centre of the stove looking very much like a Turk burner but at the very centre there is a cylindrical mesh feature - does anyone know what it is, what it does and what its made of? (I have asked them but no reply has been forthcoming). Thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Fw: Smuggled message to the people of France
Ah mais Robert, c'est formidable comment un message d'importance peut etre dissimuler dans une etiquette, et tres apropos aussi. (It's worderful how an important message can be camouflaged in a label, and very timely also) L. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you can see the tag at http://www.lepow.com/tag/ or http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_anti_bush_label.htm On Jul 15, 2004, at 15:09, Jennifer Doty wrote: Sorry about sending an attachment, but you have got to see this!Ê It's great.Ê Promise no bugs. Ê The attached picture shows a label from a nylon laptop travel bag that Ê is made by a small company here in the USA to be sold in France. Notice Ê the English text.Ê Then note the longer French text, which translates: Ê Wash with warm water. Use mild soap. Dry flat. Do not use bleach. Do Ê not dry in the dryer. Do not iron. We are sorry that our President is an Ê idiot. We did not vote for him. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT lrec_companion_043004.gif l.gif Yahoo! Groups Links ð To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ Ê ðTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ê ðYour use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Thin Layer on Top - Todd?
Joey, 1) You'd be better off just shaking the jar for 10-15 seconds, 4 or 5 times in a half-hour than trying to crank a hand blender. 2) 140*F is an unneccessarily high temp and will lend to greater evaporation and escape of the alcohol in an open container. 3) You're cap flew off due to the increased pressure created by evaporated alcohol. 4) Doubtful that the white solid on bottom is unreacted lye. More so that it's a soap or wax. The presumption is that your caustic was completely dissolved? Undissolved caustic can generate solid soaps immediately upon contact with the oil. 5) If you can, tap off the entire amount of the top layer and set a candle wick in it. If it burns with a blue flame (do this in a darkened room) it is almost certainly discolored alcohol. You can also attempt to evaporate it and see if it starts to boil at the same temp as MeOH. Usually a top layer occurs as an either/or situation. Either you have glyc sep and there is no third top layer, or you don't achieve glyc sep and you've got oil on the bottom and methoxide on the top. It's possible that you've achieved a borderline situation. If so, tap off the fuel fraction and do a sample wash test, followed up by retreating another sample as if it were fresh oil to see if you get more glyc to drop. The top layer of three being MeOH is a bit perplexing as MeOH is very solvent in biodiesel. 6) Precisely repeat your one liter test batch using a different off-the-shelf oil than canola to see if you get the same layering results. 7) Precisely repeat your one liter test batch using KOH instead of NaOH (with canola) to see if you get the same layering results. My guess is that #'s 6 and 7 will yield different (more desireable) results than you've achieved so far. When you go back to experimenting, I would suggest that you first repeat the original experiment exactly, but this time using a sealed jar, staying away from the hand-crank blender. See if you get the same results as your oringinal experiment and use this repeated sampling as your control batch if you find the need to conduct #'s 6 7. You can save a buck or two by conducting tests on 200ml samples. You might want to create a stock caustic solution that you can dilute to the desired caustic/alcohol ratio. It's terribly difficult to be able to rely on the accuracy of some scales when you get down to fractions of a single gram. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: joeyhundert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 12:20 AM Subject: [biofuel] Thin Layer on Top - Todd? Hey all, Ran the Blender Batch yesterday and came away with a puzzling result. I've been pouring over the archives for a while and have come up short of answers. The best input yet is from Todd: Should you ever find the lesser volume layer on top after the reaction, you will know that you did not use enough catalyst to overcome the amount free fatty acids in the feedstock. In such an instance, your catalyst simply made soap and the unused alcohol is resting on top of the oil. There's a remedy for this error, but it's unimportant until it happens. Details for my Blender Batch are: Sodium Hydroxide (3.5g) and Methanol (200ml) mixed in a HDPE container, agitated with a hand blender for about 15 minutes. 1 Litre of store-bought canola raised to 140F then poured into a 4 Litre tough glass jar with narrowing mouth. Methoxide added. Then I agitated the batch with a hand blender for 15 minutes straight. The mixture stratified into 2 distinct layers - Brown viscous substance on the bottom (glycerin?) and a very light golden substance on the top. The brown layer was about 15% by volume. We thought we had biodiesel on our hands. Yet, in the morning (after sitting for about 8 hours), a very thin dark golden layer formed on the top. It's a very thin layer. Furthermore, when I took the cap off of the jar this morning (jar had been in direct sunlight for hours), the fumes blew the cap out of my hand. I took a bit of toilet paper and absorbed a bit of the substance on top, then took a match to it - and it LIT OFF. Furthermore, there is now a small island of whitish stuff forming at the very bottom (unreacted lye?). Did I not agitate long enough? Was the methoxide not blended well enough? Did I form free fatty's by heating the oil too much? But wouldn't free fatty's sit under the BD (or unreacted oil) or mix with it? Todd, you mentioned that there was a remedy for this situation. Now might be a good time. All the best, Joey Hundert Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of
[biofuel] NBB meeting update
Thought you would want to know more about where the national Biodiesel Board is going with regulations and such. Tom Leue from girl Mark Hey folks, I only attended most of the NBB meeting on Monday (it went on through Tuesday), and concluded that it is very important for someone to be going to those everytime and reporting back on them.Ê Mark and the Piedmont BioFuels people (Rachel, Lyle, Leif, and Chris) went to everything, and I've copied Mark in so she can add more.Ê Here's some of the research and politics learned about on Monday (most from the technical committee report from Steve Howell): Quality study of biodiesel in the marketplace NREL is funding a survey done by the NBB of B100 and B20.Ê They are taking random samples of B100 and B20 and testing them for quality.Ê They've already done the B100 part (25 samples and they look pretty good, whatever that means). Water separators There's been a study recently (probably by the NBB) looking at the effectiveness of water separators in standard diesel equipment when using B20.Ê the results seem to indicate that B20 makes the water separators less effective than with diesel fuel.Ê This is not good news.Ê Seems B100 might show the same thing if not worse.Ê The NBB will be doing more tests, I think. McMinnville Electric has a grant to test huge generators (like for power plants, I think) on B1 to B100.Ê They are insisting on testing B100 which is great. Crude Glycerine for aviation de-icing A study was done by the USDA Purdue on using the crude glycerine from biodiesel for a de-icing agent for airplanes.Ê It seems very promising, but more studies would have to be done.Ê Currently, 35 million gallons of propylene glycerol (from petroleum) are used annually for de-icing and it sells at .70 per pound. As of 1/1/2005, a lubricity spec of 520 hfrr needs to be met in diesel fuel.Ê Biodiesel is not currently the cheapest option and the petro companies are looking for an additive now.Ê The federal tax incentive, if passed, would help biodiesel become competive in this area. CARB B20 testing The NBB wanted to just test soy B20, but CARB is insisting that they test multiple feedstocks (probably thanks to all of us speaking up at the CARB meeting this spring).Ê This is for the emissions testing (NOx, etc.) for getting it approved as an alternative fuel. Cold Flow Consortium NBB is raising money from its members and petro companies to do a big study of the cold flow properties of biodiesel (I believe of B20 and B100 and of all different fieldstocks).Ê It costs $5000 to support this study and get priority access to the data from it. ASTM UPDATE The NBB is pursuing 4 different things: 1) D975 (diesel fuel spec) - adding that a Biodiesel 5% blend can meet this, so it can be used as a lubricity additive, I think.Ê Earliest this could be proposed is Dec. 2004. 2) New spec for B20 blend - regulatory agencies want a way to test B20 as a finished product at the pump, rather than right now having to look at the two different products that went in to making it.Ê This will take at least 2 years. 3. New spec for B100 as a pure fuel - well, actually Steve Howell admitted that there's really no plan right now to work on this. 4) Oxidation stability test must be added to D6751 (biodiesel as a blending stock).ÊÊ We are at least 12 months out before we have a standard testing method for this.Ê The European method won't work.Ê The engine manufacturers insist on this or they won't approve their engines for any blend of biodiesel.Ê Ironically, the petro companies are against this because they don't want a stability test added for diesel fuel. The ASTM committee/NBB is also looking for better methods: GC replacement, flashpoint, cetane, and blend levels. NBB is working with the following engine manufacturers to approve (at least B20) biodiesel use: Case, GM, Chrysler, Cummins, Deere Mark and I talked to Steve Howell and he would love to have help on the ASTM committee.Ê He said that it's best if the people are very technically knowledgeable because the engine manufacturers send their best technical people and they will rip you apart.Ê The next meeting is going to be in Tampa Florida in December, I think, and we need have some people go. I also told Steve Howell, that we would like to make the data we are collecting for DMS as quantitative as possible so it means something to the engine manufacturers, CARB, etc.Ê He mentioned meeting with the engine manufacturers, which I'm not sure I want to do, but he's also willing to help.Ê I'd like to follow up with him and get more ideas.Ê He says that the engine manufacturers hate anecdotal (one of the rare words I don't know how to spell!) data. Federal Biodiesel Incentive $1/gallon tax credit for soy biodiesel, $.50/gallon for waste Currently in senate version of transportation bill, but likely the bill won't
[biofuel] What diesel engine will fit in 87' GMC schoolbus?
Hello, A good friend of mine has a 1987 GMC school bus with a gasoline engine. This bus is wonderful, but runs gas and gets about 5 miles per gallon. This is quite obviously unacceptable, and we are not in a position to brew enough alcohol to run the beast! The only other option would be a put a diesel engine in it, and I was wondering if anyone knows what diesel engine we could get that would (relatively) easily fit in that chassis. Any information on this would be greatly appreciated. Love and Light! Joshua Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] new guy
I was wondering if there was anybody in this group who is from indiana. I am trying to get started makeing my own fuel. It be really great to have someone who knows what there doing to show how. I just unsure about how to do and do it safe. Not only that, I am sure a lot of you have had to convince your spouse that it all right!!. do you guys know where i can get some of those 5 gallon snap on oil cans? I' ve actually have a supplyer of 55 gallon hdpe 2 barrels, i just not sure if it will work for anything other than wvo storage. Is there an actual chat line that you guys chat on besides these e-mails? hope to here from some one. _ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page ö FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Oil Stove thingy
Aren't most of those things aluminium or an aluminium/magnesium mix ? Extremely doubtful. I suggest you take a look at the ventless kero heaters and then as you say, take a whack at it. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: bioveging [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 5:47 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Oil Stove thingy First off I know NOTHING about such things, although the idea of going into a store that deals with kero stoves is good and you would more than likely be able to simply buy a spare element and then adapt it to your application, no ? Problemo solvo'd :) Like I said, I know nothing about it but thought I'd take a whack at it. Aren't most of those things aluminium or an aluminium/magnesium mix ? L. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beats me exactly as to what type of steel composition the pre- heater is. Don't think it so much matters as much as the mechanical design. Walk into a store that distributes those ventless kerosene heaters and you'll have more than ample opportunity to see exactly what the general dimensions/design is. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Go Hoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 2248 Thanks Todd I have made 2 turk type burners and I am just getting into a 3rd mini version and they all use forced (fan air) but I was thinking that if I could put something like that cylindrical thing in maybe it would help to maintain the high heat so I could switch off the fan and leave it go on draught instead. Do you have any ideas as to how I could make one and what out of or is it just 'steel'? Thanks You'll find a smilar device in any ventless kerosene heater. It's a steel radiator, cylindrical with multiple holes, heated by the combusted fuel to the point of red hot, which in turn better atomizes/vaporizes the fuel creating greater efficiency. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Go Hoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 11:56 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Oil Stove thingy About half way down the page at http://www.kumastoves.com/oil_stoves.html there is a picture of the burning centre of the stove looking very much like a Turk burner but at the very centre there is a cylindrical mesh feature - does anyone know what it is, what it does and what its made of? (I have asked them but no reply has been forthcoming). Thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] New to the group
Hello, I recently joined the group. I have been making biodiesel for about one year, have some formal training in chemistry and some automotive mechanical experience as a shadetree mechanic. Currently I am running a little experiment using bypass filtration and synthetic oil (using professional oil analysis) in my biodiesel powered vehicles. I am not changing the crankcase oil until it does not meet specs. This is important because synthetic oil improves fuel economy and takes a lot of used motor oil out of the waste stream. Potentially synthetic oil could last over 100,000 miles but I am unaware of any studies on vehicles running neat biodiesel. This topic may have been covered previously so I will end..here. Looking forward to being involved with the group. Lurch Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What diesel engine will fit in 87' GMC schoolbus?
U can get almost anything on the market in there u name it: caterpillar, cummins, international or (of course) detroit diesel. I'd recommend a DD common rail computer managed. However, there's plenty of school buses diesel fitted as stock so, it'd be easy to figure what would fit yours best. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What diesel engine will fit in 87' GMC schoolbus?
It will not be worthwhile. Sell it and get a diesel vehicle. Edward Beggs On Jul 17, 2004, at 7:48 AM, Joshua wrote: Hello, A good friend of mine has a 1987 GMC school bus with a gasoline engine. This bus is wonderful, but runs gas and gets about 5 miles per gallon. This is quite obviously unacceptable, and we are not in a position to brew enough alcohol to run the beast! The only other option would be a put a diesel engine in it, and I was wondering if anyone knows what diesel engine we could get that would (relatively) easily fit in that chassis. Any information on this would be greatly appreciated. Love and Light! Joshua Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Asean Homebrew
Hello Caleb, welcome Dear Bio Fuler, Are there any homebrew who are located in Asean region? Singapore/Malaysia? Would like to hear from you. Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, the Philippines, Thailand - all have various projects, and all have members here. I'm surprised they didn't reply to you. Me and my friend have just got on the bandwagon only recently. Might try to make some biodiesel one of these days. On anothe matter, have anybody heard of the biodiesel plant being constructed by Petronas (The malayaisan Petroleum company). Aparently it's suppose to produce biodiesel from Palm oil. The announcement was made back in 2001. However it's been 2004 and still no news of them. Here's one report, saying the plant would open in 2003. http://members.tripod.com/skypin/ekon/ekon47.html Surviving the low prices of palm oil New Straits Times 08 April 2001 Surviving the low prices of palm oil Quite an interesting article. No date on this one: http://www.mpob.gov.my/biofuel_poil.htm Biofuel from Palm Oil Since the 1980s, MPOB in collaboration with the local oil giant, PETRONAS, has begun to develop a patented technology to transform crude palm oil into a viable diesel substitute. This process involves the transesterification of crude palm oil into palm oil methyl esters or palm diesel. It has also been successfully demonstrated in a 3000 tonnes per year pilot plant located in the MPOB headquarters. [more] Patented technology, since the 1980s. Don't hold your breath. Also anybody know anything about the plant being constructed in Thailand also? Do you mean the Petronas plant? I've heard nothing about that. Thailand has its own initiatives. Try a search in the archives for Thailand: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Also, on biodiesel from crude palm oil in Thailand, search here for Allen: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ There's quite a lot going in now in Thailand. There should be some announcements of developments there in the next few months. Hope that helps. Best wishes Keith Thank you, Caleb Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biomass Refinary:Integrated processing of lignocellulosic biomass!
Dear Pan Respected Keith Thank you for your reply letter You're welcome. Eventhough several research papers are published , including my research work and the international symposium books on the solvent delignification ,but they are available in the specialized journals , the small biomass refinary of integrated processing of lingnocellulosics is not yet been given importance as it is not as matured as our biodeisel projects.. Yes. And if it's left like that it will probably either languish or continue as a subject for research or something for centralised industry to exploit. But surely , like the small scale biodeisel project, this one have a great green future as the celluose is the most abundant , renewable natural resource and lignin next to cellulose in abundance. It's most attractive. A lot of newcomers are attracted to ethyl esters biodiesel, using ethanol instead of methanol, for obvious reasons - it's not mostly fossil-fuel derived, and you can make it yourself. But it's not so easy, yet. We were also attracted to that at first, and we still are. At the time (about five years ago) we were attracted by ethanol from cellulose (and lignin) for the same reasons. But up to now, all we've found that's suitable for small-scale use is acid hydrolosis, and even that's not very suitable, and not very efficient. Surley I am very glad to prepare and post first the short summary of the state of art and also wish to contribute 1 or 2 page relevant information regarding what the process develpoment acadamic people call THE ORGANOSOLVE DELIGNIFICATION or biomass fractionation or BIOMASS REFINERY Surely some of our list members can simplify and modify the process, as ethanol lignin are good biofuel too, the sugar from celluose and hemicellusose can be used acording to local market demand as well as to make ethanol in small scale farm. Please kindly give me time of 20 days Take as much time as you need Pan. and also I expect your help to improve language part, because here in Brasil I rarley practice English , lost touch with the language for the last 25 years Of course I'll help. I think you do very well. I wonder how many languages you speak? At least three, I'm sure, probably more than that. Most of we arrogant English-speakers only speak one language and we think the rest of the world must do it our way. Oh well. One of these days there'll be excellent instant translation programs and we can wear little thingies in our ears so we can all understand each other and it won't matter anymore. There'll probably be a sudden fashion to revive all the lost languages English has eaten up in the meantime. and definately will contribute to the JTF. Thankyou! I am sure our list members can be active and share the knoweledge towards making ethanol in small scale using several biomass residues.Thus Biomass Refinary can de small too . It would be great if we can do this and then list members can help to develop that. Regards, thankyou Keith Thanking you again Yours truely sd Pannirselvam Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Pan I have done Phd work (1978-1982), pilotplant designed , now constructed. at IIT Delhi, based on my laboratory work on catalytic low temperature(120)acidos , alkalineetanol e water delignification process leading to good seperation of celulose , hemicelluso e lignin and very high enzymatic hydrolysis of treated fibers. Biomass ethanol with this process has great role to play in the next few years together with biodeisel.I will be very glad to s«hare the process details for decentralised biofuel process developments Would it be possible to share the process details onlist with everyone? I'm sure there would be a lot of interest. Or, if it's too big and detailed for that, maybe it could be uploaded at Journey to Forever? regards Keith sd Pannirselvam .P.V Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Hans Acid Catalyzed Organosolv Saccharification (ACOS). This unique, high pressure, high temperature, closed loop, pulping process has been developed and patented by chemist Dr. Laszlo Paszner (Paszner Technologies, Inc., of Surrey, B.C.) of the University of British Columbia. Although it is adaptable to Alaskan species, both hardwoods and softwoods, the process has yet to be proved commercial for the Alaskan environment. Or for any environment I believe. Paszner and ACOS have been discussed here before. See: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/?keywords=Pasznertime=allusert ime=2002-12-31 See also: Wood-Ethanol Report: Technology Review http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#woodeth Best wishes Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it
[biofuel] hi out there
my name art ,want to know if anyone from ,ca counties,tulare,kings or kern,i live in tulare co.my [EMAIL PROTECTED] just starting biodiesel ,before i start would like know what i could do to clean up wvo before putting in reactor? in heating to remove water can vinegar be added to get fat out ? and is it a must i use every thing i pick up, settlements ,looks like fat to me thanks art Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: new guy
Hey Mark. I am currently living in Indiana. It is extremely likely that I will be moving elsewhere in the next 60 days or so, but for now am still here. What part of the state are you in? Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, mark johnson II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if there was anybody in this group who is from indiana. I am trying to get started makeing my own fuel. It be really great to have someone who knows what there doing to show how. I just unsure about how to do and do it safe. Not only that, I am sure a lot of you have had to convince your spouse that it all right!!. do you guys know where i can get some of those 5 gallon snap on oil cans? I' ve actually have a supplyer of 55 gallon hdpe 2 barrels, i just not sure if it will work for anything other than wvo storage. Is there an actual chat line that you guys chat on besides these e-mails? hope to here from some one. _ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page ö FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click- url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: What diesel engine will fit in 87' GMC schoolbus?
Thank you for your response. Of course we could somehow get just about any engine to fit, but what could we get in there that we wouldn't have to get custom motor-mounts for and what will the drive line fit snugly? So far, it's looking like a Detroit Diesel is the best bet, no? Thanks, Joshua --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Coral [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: U can get almost anything on the market in there u name it: caterpillar, cummins, international or (of course) detroit diesel. I'd recommend a DD common rail computer managed. However, there's plenty of school buses diesel fitted as stock so, it'd be easy to figure what would fit yours best. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
