[biofuel] Re: Canada - Burying CO2
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: check the link to the discussion of the degassing of Lake Nyos as an example: http://www.geology.sdsu.edu/how_volcanoes_work/Nyos.html Nyos is a perfect example. How do these idiots intend to prevent this from happening on a much larger scale? Sigh Why is it that mankind just cannot get a clue? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Canada - Burying CO2
That's an interesting write up on how they're doing what they do. It doesn't really answer one very important question -- What happens when there is a rupture of some kind and a large system dumps those millions of CCFs of CO2 into the air? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Drink Water From Dehumidifier?
Kinda funny you get grossed out by the dehumidifier water. Not saying it is clean ... no, not by a long shot. However, just think ... the stuff all stuck on the dehumidifier coil ... are in a large part ... the same stuff INHALED by that same observer grossing out at the sight of the coils. Funny how we gross out so easily looking at condesing coils yet not flinch talking story with our friends (and taking deep breaths) ... sitting NEXT to those same coils. Curtis Nothing says I love you like a bouquet of flowers! http://www.flowerson55.com - Original Message - From: Richard U [EMAIL PROTECTED] First I'd like to say...e This water is probably full of all kind of nasty things, and would need to be processed (perhaps just a ceramic type filter) This is part of the potable water source on the space station, in which case it is recovered from respiration and perspiration...again I say, e. Have you considered a mushroom farm in your basement, very lucrative. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Drink Water From Dehumidifier?
I have approx. 60 gallons of distilled water in plastic milk containers from my dehumidifier sitting in my basement. I had planned on using it for wash water for biodiesel on a small scale. Can anyone see any potential problems by using this water as wash water? Thanks. Jonathan. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Janet Van Stoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is significant health risk in drinking condensate. The risk comes mostly from the large amount of mold to be found in typical dehumidifier condensate. You are probably familiar with the slime molds that commonly coat the sides of most dehumidifier condensate collector bins. The condensate also contains significant amounts of bacteria, viruses, household chemicals, fibers, dust and dander. In fact, almost anything that you might find in household or basement air. Some basements also contain radon and sewer gasses which can dissolve into the condensate. Theoretically, you can work with condensate. Recycling this stuff, as well as urine, is commonly done in space vehicles. It takes several steps and sophisticated filtering and processing to come up with a useable end product. If you just want to try processing the stuff yourself, it is a noble and worthwhile project. I would be cautious to only use the processed water on ornamental plants, though, unless I was quite sure of the final quality of the end product. As a starting point, some processing methods include, gentle distillation (discarding the early and late distillate), filtering through filter grade diatomaceous earth, exposure to sun light or strong UV, hydrogen peroxide treatment or aeration. There are other treatments, as well. Essentially you are working with a kind of pond water. Some of the off-the-shelf filters at the camping equipment stores are very good at mechanically filtering out the biological components, but I would still recommend gentle distillation as a first step. Carbon filtering is a good end-treatment for removing some chemicals and odors. However, carbon filtering doesn't work at all well when there are a lot of biological components in the water; the carbon then just becomes a nice bed for bacterial and mold growth. One of the most interesting and promising methods of pre-treating biologically risky water is by gently passing the water through the root system of wetlands plants such as cattails. The hairy roots of various plants can do a remarkable job of cleaning up risky water and making it more suitable for subsequent treatment. - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: [biofuel] Drink Water From Dehumidifier? Hallo Folks, I don't know how close to on-topic this is but I have a question which I have been asking myself for a long while and figured it wouldn't hurt to pass it on and see what I get. Every day I go down in my basement and empty about 2.5 gallons of water from the dehumidifier. Twice a day. Every day. I have been wondering if it would be possible to dehimidify with the added benefit of having potable water. Safe to drink. What would it take? Closed system with copper or stainless steel coils or...? Anyone have any ideas on this? Just a (nagging) thought. Waste not want not. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of
[biofuel] BUS POWER
FARMSHOW.COM in their mag showed a company in indiana [i believe] that stocks more used diesel engines than anyone else.Each engine is checked throughly and put on a dyno before sold with a solid guarantee.This place has maybe 2-3000 engines of ALL types diesels and they can steer you to what you really need in that bus.GM diesels[even the new isuzu-chevy] should be avoided ,in my opinion since they were based on a weak gas engine design[the new engine would have been fine if chevy had had NO input into the design of it] ask google about engine sources that stand behind their products. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: What diesel engine will fit in 87' GMC schoolbus?
From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] A several years ago ( when I had some money LOL ), and I was looking at a RV, I inquired about diesel engines ( I was just learning about bioDiesel at the time ), and the guy that was helping me, made the comment, Why would you want to bother with a diesel, when all they do is increase your mileage of only about 4 MPG or from about 8 MPG to about 12 MPG. All I could do was ask him : What is wrong with a 50% increase in miles per tank full? At which point he only looked at me in confusion. Sorry I am joining this conversation a little bit late. There are some options that might increase your milages. First, the GM diesels are OK but are not known for unbelievable efficiency, for example a 6.5T in a Suburban barely gets 15 mpg, usually closer to 12. They are typically good running engines though. A better option would be the 4 cyl diesels in cab over trucks, such as the Isuzu 4BD-1T or 4BT-2T (slightly improved version) which is a direct injected 3.9 liter that gets 135 hp and about 350 ft/lbs of torque which are very inpressive numbers. This engine or something in it's caliber would probably net you over 20 mpg in a van type truck. There is also a Cummins 4BT which is an American version similar to the Japanese ones. Not too loud (about as loud as a 91 Dodge with a diesel) and mileage at 55 should be around 30 MPG and 25 at about 65 and 20 or so faster depending on your gear ratios. I have one of these in a 6000 lb Toyota Land Cruiser with big tires (I had to lift it to make the engine fit) and it gets between 23-25 MPG regularly on the highway at 70 mph and faster. Neat thing about this engine is it is also a bolt in in place of GM V8s and even has the same bolt pattern on the rear half of it. They were designed to bolt in place of aging gas GM 350s in bread trucks. Bad news is each of these engines is about $1500-$2500 used usually. If oyu are lucky you can luck out, I found mine for $250 with 70K original miles (just broken in) or you can usually buy a whole brean van from Frito Lay, recycle the parts and aluminum body and come close to breaking even. Best of luck... There are thorough descriptions of engine engines and the strengths and weaknesses on my website at www.cisautoweb.com/dtlc It is Land Cruiser specific but applicable to most vehicles. Also it is in bad need of an update so there are some factual errors. Good luck... Andre Utah Biodiesel Cooperative www.utahbiodiesel.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Drinking rain water [was: Drink Water From Dehumidifier?]
Hi, I am looking into building an Earthship, and I was wondering if you could tell me if drinking rain water is safe (I mean after it has been filtered like described in the Earthship books)? Thanks, Al On Mon, 19 Jul 2004, Janet Van Stoat wrote: Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:40:20 -0500 From: Janet Van Stoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Drink Water From Dehumidifier? There is significant health risk in drinking condensate. The risk comes mostly from the large amount of mold to be found in typical dehumidifier condensate. You are probably familiar with the slime molds that commonly coat the sides of most dehumidifier condensate collector bins. The condensate also contains significant amounts of bacteria, viruses, household chemicals, fibers, dust and dander. In fact, almost anything that you might find in household or basement air. Some basements also contain radon and sewer gasses which can dissolve into the condensate. Theoretically, you can work with condensate. Recycling this stuff, as well as urine, is commonly done in space vehicles. It takes several steps and sophisticated filtering and processing to come up with a useable end product. If you just want to try processing the stuff yourself, it is a noble and worthwhile project. I would be cautious to only use the processed water on ornamental plants, though, unless I was quite sure of the final quality of the end product. As a starting point, some processing methods include, gentle distillation (discarding the early and late distillate), filtering through filter grade diatomaceous earth, exposure to sun light or strong UV, hydrogen peroxide treatment or aeration. There are other treatments, as well. Essentially you are working with a kind of pond water. Some of the off-the-shelf filters at the camping equipment stores are very good at mechanically filtering out the biological components, but I would still recommend gentle distillation as a first step. Carbon filtering is a good end-treatment for removing some chemicals and odors. However, carbon filtering doesn't work at all well when there are a lot of biological components in the water; the carbon then just becomes a nice bed for bacterial and mold growth. One of the most interesting and promising methods of pre-treating biologically risky water is by gently passing the water through the root system of wetlands plants such as cattails. The hairy roots of various plants can do a remarkable job of cleaning up risky water and making it more suitable for subsequent treatment. - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: [biofuel] Drink Water From Dehumidifier? Hallo Folks, I don't know how close to on-topic this is but I have a question which I have been asking myself for a long while and figured it wouldn't hurt to pass it on and see what I get. Every day I go down in my basement and empty about 2.5 gallons of water from the dehumidifier. Twice a day. Every day. I have been wondering if it would be possible to dehimidify with the added benefit of having potable water. Safe to drink. What would it take? Closed system with copper or stainless steel coils or...? Anyone have any ideas on this? Just a (nagging) thought. Waste not want not. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this
RE: [biofuel] please help...
Dinodiesel in my part of the UK is currently 80.9 pence per litre - that's about USD1.49 per litre. Commercial biodiesel is about 78pence per litre, or USD1.44 so slightly cheaper. That takes into account a 20 pence per litre tax advantage in favour of biodiesel, so the base price is therefore about 17 pence per litre more expensive. However I believe there is currently significantly more demand than supply for biodiesel, so the suppliers can basically charge the same as dinodiesel. I suspect that when biodiesel becomes more mainstream here, there will be economies of scale that will bring the price down. However this will be counterbalanced by the fact that there is only a limited supply of waste oil - currently the cheapest source. I don't know how much the industry would need to expand for this to become an issue. --- Richard U [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: baketampangetko does anyone knows literature/published articles about comparative prices of biodiesel and petroleum diesel? need it for my school research.. thank you very much Of course homebrew would depend on many local factors, but This might be an opportunity to start an informal survey of commercially available prices. In Raleigh, NC: $1.74 for B20 from BP $1.64 for 'Dino' diesel from Texaco Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links = -- 43 - slightly more than the answer to life, the universe and everything. ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: please help...
It's similar in the UK - places advertise 'biodiesel'. When you look closer, it's B5. OK that's 150% better than B2, but still not exactly biodiesel. Oh, and they charge 2p per litre more for it, despite it being no more expensive for the garage to buy. However B2 is significantly different in its lubricity, so in terms of engine wear it's still worth having, although possibly not worth paying 5c per gallon more for. --- Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We only have one station in the area that is selling biodiesel at all, and that is B2. Yes, B2, not B20 with a typo. They charge about 5 cents US per gallon more than straight dino diesel. They have big signs advertising that they have biodiesel, then a very small indication on the pump that it is B2. I'm sure most of those who buy there thinking that they are doing something good don't know what the B2 means, and think that they are running B100. Just a marketing ploy, from what I can tell. Of course, a marketing ploy that increases awareness of biodiesel is better than most, and even if we all just drive on B2, it's still a start. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Richard U [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: baketampangetko does anyone knows literature/published articles about comparative prices of biodiesel and petroleum diesel? need it for my school research.. thank you very much Of course homebrew would depend on many local factors, but This might be an opportunity to start an informal survey of commercially available prices. In Raleigh, NC: $1.74 for B20 from BP $1.64 for 'Dino' diesel from Texaco Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links = -- 43 - slightly more than the answer to life, the universe and everything. ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Drink Water From Dehumidifier?
Someone is already marketing a commercial product to do this sort of thing (though not, apparently specifically for basements). I heard about it a year or so ago. Check out http://www.hyflux.com/, apparently their product is now called the Dragon-fly. I believe they're based in Singapore, but I suspect others may have products that do the same thing. On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:00:42 -0400, Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every day I go down in my basement and empty about 2.5 gallons of water from the dehumidifier. Twice a day. Every day. I have been wondering if it would be possible to dehimidify with the added benefit of having potable water. Safe to drink. What would it take? Closed system with copper or stainless steel coils or...? Anyone have any ideas on this? Just a (nagging) thought. Waste not want not. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Drink Water From Dehumidifier?
I used a cheap 4X6 ft plastic covered cloth tarp, suspended it's corners about a foot high with stakes, rolled a small rock to the center, put a small container on the ground under the rock. I left this setup undisturbed over night, and in the morning I had about a pint of water. It tasted like plastic, but it didn't make me sick. This is a solar still and that is one type. The type I had tried is the kind that you dig a hole and put what ever you can find that will have some water to like plants that you can not eat (if you can eat them then why not skip this part and have food and water)you can urinate into the pit or add bad water to it and what moister is under the surface will also get pulled out to help add to your supply. Put a cup on the ground in the middle of the hole place the plastic over that with the rock and place the removed dirt on to the plastic to keep it from moving and preventing any water vapor from escaping. As far as the water from your dehumidifier I don't think I would drink it except under the life threaten conditions and after it was properly filtered but as a simple proses as the solar still why not use the water for a garden? B.K. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Drink Water From Dehumidifier?
Hi guys and girls, There is a company in Australia who are making a unit which does this process through refridgerated air, im not sure how your dehumidifiers work but this on is designed to sit in an office or home and be a replacement for a bottled water cooler, this is the URL http://www.airwater.com.au/p1.htm Regards Nick - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: [biofuel] Drink Water From Dehumidifier? Hallo Folks, I don't know how close to on-topic this is but I have a question which I have been asking myself for a long while and figured it wouldn't hurt to pass it on and see what I get. Every day I go down in my basement and empty about 2.5 gallons of water from the dehumidifier. Twice a day. Every day. I have been wondering if it would be possible to dehimidify with the added benefit of having potable water. Safe to drink. What would it take? Closed system with copper or stainless steel coils or...? Anyone have any ideas on this? Just a (nagging) thought. Waste not want not. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT --- --- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Drinking rain water [was: Drink Water From Dehumidifier?]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am looking into building an Earthship, and I was wondering if you could tell me if drinking rain water is safe (I mean after it has been filtered like described in the Earthship books)? Thanks, Al Hi Al, I think rainwater is fine but in some areas it will be acidic. I'm downwind from Detroit, my rainwater is pretty acidic. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Price of Fuel
Dear List, I watch the contributions fly by from various subscribers reporting their fuel prices to the student who needs the data for a project. That's wonderful. And it seems there is a sense that biodiesel needs to compete with regular diesel on price. I get that a lot at Piedmont Biofuels, and I thought I would toss this out to the list: Diesel in North Carolina right now is about 1.69 a gallon. At 3.50 a gallon for B100, biodiesel is a bargain. As a society we have decided that I will pay my own health care tab for my asthmatic children. I do not pay for health care at the pump. If I did, if we decided that petroleum producers were accountable for the health effects of their products, add a buck per gallon. This concept is commonplace in cultures where the government pays for health care. Go buy a litre of diesel in Canada sometime. Or any other civilized society, for that matter. As a society we have decided to pay for the security of our oil supply on April 15th--rather than at the pump. Even in peacetime, Uncle Sam maintains a huge (and expensive) military presence in the Persian Gulf. Forget Saddam for a moment (we all know that Operation Iraqi Freedom has nothing to do with oil. We are there because Saddam is a bad guy. He even tortures prisoners and such). Even in peacetime we provide fighter jet escorts to tankers leaving the gulf. If we asked the importers of petroleum diesel to pay the tab for that--rather than paying in our taxes, add a buck a gallon. Suddenly 3.50 a gallon saves you money and the price objection goes away... Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-545-2551 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Price of Fuel
--- Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List, I watch the contributions fly by from various subscribers reporting their fuel prices to the student who needs the data for a project. That's wonderful. And it seems there is a sense that biodiesel needs to compete with regular diesel on price. I get that a lot at Piedmont Biofuels, and I thought I would toss this out to the list: Diesel in North Carolina right now is about 1.69 a gallon. At 3.50 a gallon for B100, biodiesel is a bargain. I agree with you on this - here in the UK we do pay for our healthcare more at the pump than in the US, but your point about $3.50 per gallon being a bargain (about half the UK price) stands, as you need to consider the _system_ costs. These will include a lot of things that Joe Public won't even think about. As a society we have decided that I will pay my own health care tab for my asthmatic children. I do not pay for health care at the pump. If I did, if we decided that petroleum producers were accountable for the health effects of their products, add a buck per gallon. This concept is commonplace in cultures where the government pays for health care. Go buy a litre of diesel in Canada sometime. Or any other civilized society, for that matter. As a society we have decided to pay for the security of our oil supply on April 15th--rather than at the pump. Even in peacetime, Uncle Sam maintains a huge (and expensive) military presence in the Persian Gulf. Forget Saddam for a moment (we all know that Operation Iraqi Freedom has nothing to do with oil. We are there because Saddam is a bad guy. He even tortures prisoners and such). Even in peacetime we provide fighter jet escorts to tankers leaving the gulf. If we asked the importers of petroleum diesel to pay the tab for that--rather than paying in our taxes, add a buck a gallon. Suddenly 3.50 a gallon saves you money and the price objection goes away... The problem here is that you are assuming that individuals actually care and think about this. The fact that you and I are on the biofuels mailing list shows that we are very rare beings - we actually think and care about a lot of things. I bet you care about other issues unrelated to biofuels too - I certainly do - and are probably on a number of different mailing lists and subscribe to a number of different magazines that reflect what you care about. The problem is, probably about 99% of the population only care about one thing - what they _think_ they are paying to maintain their lifestyle. If only we could get them to care about what they are _actually_ paying, that would be a major step forward, and that's before we even try to get people to change their lifestyles. And what people think they are paying is the pump price of their fuel, in this case. Do you ever work out the cost per mile of a journey? What does that cost include? Does it include the cost of servicing your vehicle, divided by the number of mile between services? Does it include wear and tear on the tyres? Cost of windscreen wash? Antifreeze? Replacing the battery every few years? Does it include tax, insurance, depreciation in any way? Does it include wear and tear on the road surface? Does it include the cost of clearing up after accidents? Does it include any healthcare costs? Does it include costs associated with washing/cleaning your vehicle? I could go on almost ad infinitum, but I bet for most people the only cost they include is the fuel. Most people don't even care about what goes on in Iraq, as long as their perceived cost of transport is low. So in the bigger picture, of course the pump price of the fuel is not very significant. But for the majority of users, it is the single most important factor in deciding which fuel to use, if given a choice. If it can't compete at the pump on price, very few people will buy it. Now that biodiesel prices in the UK are similar to dinodiesel prices as a result of a tax concession, the rate of usage is increasing rapidly - and there's not even a significant cost _advantage_ at the moment. I think you will find that people are the same the world over - most people don't care at all, and those that do will need a certain amount of persuading before they change their ways. I started buying biodiesel for environmental reasons, but I now think by far the most important reason is political - the environmental benefits seem small compared to the political benefits to me at the moment. Donald Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-545-2551 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
[biofuel] Re: BUS POWER
That would probably be Jasper Engine and Transmission in Jasper, IN. They rebuild more engines than anyone else in the world, I am told. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FARMSHOW.COM in their mag showed a company in indiana [i believe] that stocks more used diesel engines than anyone else.Each engine is checked throughly and put on a dyno before sold with a solid guarantee.This place has maybe 2-3000 engines of ALL types diesels and they can steer you to what you really need in that bus.GM diesels[even the new isuzu-chevy] should be avoided ,in my opinion since they were based on a weak gas engine design[the new engine would have been fine if chevy had had NO input into the design of it] ask google about engine sources that stand behind their products. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Price of Fuel
Bravo Lyle! Dear List, I watch the contributions fly by from various subscribers reporting their fuel prices to the student who needs the data for a project. That's wonderful. And it seems there is a sense that biodiesel needs to compete with regular diesel on price. Yes. But not in cost. Just as you say. It's a superficial approach, and I don't think a superficial approach will get us very far in promoting biofuels in the face of the truly massive opposition to them. The real joke is when those opposed, or those supposed to be guiding us towards a rational future, talk of the level playing field that biofuels will have to compete on, and find biofuels wanting. Level? It's about as level as a cliff-face. These are often the same people who pick off the viable options one by one, rather than considering them together - it won't work so forget the whole thing. How much biofuels will it take to replace fossil-fuels use, calculated at present levels plus growth according to recent trends? As if that's an option! How much land will it take to grow enough biofuels (to continue at the same degree of profligate wastefulness we practise today)? Anyway, so what does dino-diesel cost? Not just the pump price, how much lighter your pocket'll be when you've filled your tank - how much lighter *everything* is anyway, even if you don't drive? According to the Rocky Mountain Institute, an eco-think tank that analyzed Pentagon and Department of Energy spending data for the mid-1990s, federally funded research and development provided at least $300 million annually in subsidies for the fossil-fuel industry. And at least $50 billion of the US annual military budget during those years paid for forces whose primary purpose is to safeguard Middle Eastern oil fields and shipping lanes -- and whose presence, especially in the Islamic holy land of Saudi Arabia, provokes bitter resentment in much of the Muslim world... Americans may ultimately agree with Bush that maintaining their oil habit is worth any price. But we should at least acknowledge the full cost of such a decision -- not only for Americans, but for the six billion people we share the planet with. The Real Price of Oil Mark Hertsgaard, MotherJones.com October 15, 2001 http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=11714 Or: Together, these external costs total $558.7 billion to $1.69 trillion per year, which, when added to the retail price of gasoline, result in a per gallon price of $5.60 to $15.14. http://www.icta.org/projects/trans/rlprexsm.htm The International Center for Technology Assessment The Real Price of Gasoline An Analysis Of The Hidden External Costs Consumers Pay To Fuel Their Automobiles Most Welfare Payments Go To Oil Corporations -- In the U.S., a large number of taxpayer-funded programs make profits higher for oil corporations, or transfer costs from drivers to non-drivers. Here is an accounting of it all. Can you guess the true cost of a gallon of gasoline? Or, according to retired Air Force Gen. G. Lee Butler, who was chief air planner for Desert Storm, writing in the Wall Street Journal, the true cost of importing oil to the US from the Middle East exceeds $100 a barrel. When externalities such as environmental and health costs, the loss of domestic jobs and basic industries, the trade deficit, commitments of military resources to ensure the free flow of oil from the Middle East and threats to our energy and national security are included, the true cost of imports even now exceeds $100 a barrel, according to the General Accounting Office, Gen. Butler wrote (1997). The OECD thinks US fuel prices are way too low, and many list members agree, even American ones - $5 per gallon at the pump, they say. And make it soon. The trouble with that is that it will hit the poorer Americans first and hardest - the US is also the OECD country with the highest proportion of poor and marginalised people, and they're the ones who'll do all the suffering, even if they don't drive. Is this a further cost of gas? Undoubtedly. So what's the real cost of biodiesel? Not much competition, once you're seeing it straight. Plenty of obfuscation though. I get that a lot at Piedmont Biofuels, and I thought I would toss this out to the list: Diesel in North Carolina right now is about 1.69 a gallon. At 3.50 a gallon for B100, biodiesel is a bargain. Quite right. As a society we have decided that I will pay my own health care tab for my asthmatic children. I do not pay for health care at the pump. If I did, if we decided that petroleum producers were accountable for the health effects of their products, add a buck per gallon. This concept is commonplace in cultures where the government pays for health care. Go buy a litre of diesel in Canada sometime. Or any other civilized society, for that matter. As a society we have decided to pay for the security of our oil supply on April 15th--rather than at the pump.
[biofuel] Re: Drink Water From Dehumidifier?
Hi Jonathan I have approx. 60 gallons of distilled water in plastic milk containers from my dehumidifier sitting in my basement. I had planned on using it for wash water for biodiesel on a small scale. Can anyone see any potential problems by using this water as wash water? Thanks. Jonathan. If it's acidic your final washwater will also be acidic rather than pH7. Just as long as it's clear. To be safe, you might want to use clean water for the final wash. Remember you can re-use the washwater, except that for the first wash: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_wash.html The Economy of Wash Water Recycling Best wishes Keith --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Janet Van Stoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is significant health risk in drinking condensate. The risk comes mostly from the large amount of mold to be found in typical dehumidifier condensate. You are probably familiar with the slime molds that commonly coat the sides of most dehumidifier condensate collector bins. snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Post No.1
AN INTRODUCTION Hi. My name is Khurram and I have a BA degree in Environmental Studies from Oberlin but very basic training in Chemisty. Recently I aquired a Land Rover 1979 SIII Defender (2.25 diesel engine) which I am interested in running on biodiesel, SVO or WVO. GREENXL AND PLANT OIL I am currently residing in Karachi, Pakistan and the closest I can come to an environment friendly fuel for my Defender is GreenXL priced at $ 0.42/liter http://www.psocl.com/schemes/green_xl_faq.asp. Is it worthwile for me to reasearch into developing biodiesel as an alternate fuel? What I can gather is that GreenXL is still petroleum based, hence it still has a greater negative effect on the carbon sink in comparison to biodiesel (versus veggie fuels whose effect can be translated as being close to zero because of the laws of demand and supply) and (correct me if I am wrong) the emissions from the former are still greater. I have researched into different veggie oils available on the market, and the cheapest is palm oil for about $ 0.74/kg. That's almost twice the price of Green XL. One option does exist which is to develop a palm oil and Green XL blend exceeding the 40:60 ratio prescribed by the documents presented in the biofuels library. However I don't know what effect that would have on an unmodified diesel engine and also Green Xl would still be the cheapest fuel available in the market. Further, palm oil is imported, and considering the amount of energy consumed in transporting it, I don't know how much good I'd be doing. I don't mind the slight price hike by using this blend, but one of the goals I've set for myself is to make whatever research I've done available to the public (at the cost of printing and translation) by crossing lingual barriers, and in order to get the end product popular the price must be attractive. One has to know that Pakistan has a regulated fuel market tied up in bureaucracy, not to mention a populace that isn't very environmentally concerned. The former rules out getting involved in developing biodiesel or diesel/oil blends as a private business venture, making the production on an individual level more feasable. The latter can not be used as a means of descrimination considering the economic disparity that exists in the world today. There is more to this post which will follow in Post No.2 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Tha' Ballad of Dubya [political humor]
The Texas Hillbilly (redneck) Song (Sing to the tune of The Beverly Hillbillies) Come and listen to my story 'bout a boy name Bush. His IQ was zero and his head was up his tush. He drank like a fish while he was drivin' all about. But that didn't matter 'cuz his daddy bailed him out. DUI, that is. Criminal record. Cover-up. Well, the first thing you know little Georgie goes to Yale. He can't spell his name but they never let him fail. He spends all his time hangin' out with student folk. And that's when he learns how to snort a line of coke. Blow, that is. White gold. Nose candy. The next thing you know there's a war in Vietnam. Kin folks say, George, stay at home with Mom. Let the common people get maimed and scarred. We'll buy you a spot in the Texas Air Guard. Cushy, that is. Country clubs. Nose candy. Twenty years later George gets a little bored. He trades in the booze, says that Jesus is his Lord. He said, Now the White House is the place I wanna be. So he called his daddy's friends and they called the GOP. Moral Majority, that is. Falwell. Jesse Helms. Come November 7, the election ran late. Kin folks said Jeb, give the boy your state! Don't let those colored folks get into the polls. So they put up barricades so they couldn't punch their holes. Chads, that is. Duval County. Miami-Dade. Before the votes were counted five Supremes stepped in. Told all the voters Hey, we want George to win. Stop counting votes! was their solemn invocation. And that's how George finally got his coronation. Rigged, that is. Illegitimate. No moral authority Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Drink Water From Dehumidifier?
You are absolutely correct! If we were as careful about our inside air quality as we are about the water we drink, we would all be much healthier. - Original Message - From: Curtis Sakima To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 3:35 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Drink Water From Dehumidifier? Kinda funny you get grossed out by the dehumidifier water. Not saying it is clean ... no, not by a long shot. However, just think ... the stuff all stuck on the dehumidifier coil ... are in a large part ... the same stuff INHALED by that same observer grossing out at the sight of the coils. Funny how we gross out so easily looking at condesing coils yet not flinch talking story with our friends (and taking deep breaths) ... sitting NEXT to those same coils. Curtis Nothing says I love you like a bouquet of flowers! http://www.flowerson55.com - Original Message - From: Richard U [EMAIL PROTECTED] First I'd like to say...e This water is probably full of all kind of nasty things, and would need to be processed (perhaps just a ceramic type filter) This is part of the potable water source on the space station, in which case it is recovered from respiration and perspiration...again I say, e. Have you considered a mushroom farm in your basement, very lucrative. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: E85 in NW Iowa Offered 25 Cents Below Regular Unleaded
Not sure how well this forwarded but the email I got was pretty interesting, not sure if the HTML will forward correctly so I copy and pasted the text in. -Nathan --- National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: E85 in NW Iowa Offered 25 Cents Below Regular Unleaded Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:00:00 -0700 - E85 in NW Iowa Offered 25 Cents Below Regular Unleaded NW Iowa - E85, a blend of 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline, is available for 25 cents per gallon under regular unleaded fuel to flexible-fuel vehicle owners in NW Iowa. The decision to lower the price of E85 was made by the Siouxland Energy and Livestock Cooperative (SELC) board of directors just days ago in order increase E85 market awareness and demand. SELC is partnering with the Iowa Renewable Fuels Association and the National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition to promote E85 in Iowa. At a time when fuel prices at the pump are very high, SELC has decided to do what they can to lower the prices. SELC is making E85 available to the retailers at $.25 per gallon under unleaded gasoline. The public should know that many of the vehicles already on the road today are Flexible-Fuel Vehicles (FFV's), which are capable of burning E85, said Bernie Punt, General Manager of Siouxland Energy and Livestock Cooperative. SELC is solely owned by 409 local farmer investors. It began operations in November of 2001 as a 14 million gallon per year ethanol plant. It is currently exceeding the original design capacity by 50%, and is producing ethanol at the rate of 21 million gallons per year. SELC wants to send a clear message to the public that there are options about the fuel they put in their tank. They can buy E85 which is produced from corn right here in Northwest Iowa, or they can continue to buy their fuel from the Middle East, said Punt. E85 offers tremendous market potential for Iowas growing ethanol industry. Thats why the Iowa Renewable Fuels Association (IRFA) has made E85 its marketing priority, said Lucy Norton, IRFA Executive Director. Siouxland Energy and Livestock Cooperative is supplying these E85 retailers with E85 for $.25 per gallon under unleaded gas: Coop Gas Oil Sioux Center, IA Midwest Farmers Coop Orange City, IA Lyon County Coop Oil Company Rock Rapids, IA Akron Pronto Store Akron, IA Information about E85, flexible-fuel vehicles, and E85 retailers throughout the U.S. can be found on the NEVC website at www.E85Fuel.com. This project is sponsored by the Iowa E85 Team. ### For Immediate Release July 20, 2004 Contact: Christi Vander Voort Phone: (712) 737-6415 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] E85 in NW Iowa Offered 25 Cents Below Regular Unleaded NW Iowa - E85, a blend of 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline, is available for 25 cents per gallon under regular unleaded fuel to flexible-fuel vehicle owners in NW Iowa. The decision to lower the price of E85 was made by the Siouxland Energy and Livestock Cooperative (SELC) board of directors just days ago in order increase E85 market awareness and demand.SELC is partnering with the Iowa Renewable Fuels Association and the National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition to promote E85 in Iowa. At a time when fuel prices at the pump
[biofuel] question about biofuel
Hello, I am new to biofuel so I have many questions. The main question I have is can I convert my regular unleaded fossil gasoline truck to take biodiesel? Is it realistic and/or relatively inexpensive? If so, what are some resources to make it inexpensive? Rich - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Price of Fuel
Hello Donald I much agree with what you say, but not about Joe Public who doesn't know any better and doesn't want to. Ending with this: I think you will find that people are the same the world over - most people don't care at all, and those that do will need a certain amount of persuading before they change their ways. That's not what I've found, nor what many other people have found - quite the opposite, and that goes back a long way. I know it's easy to get that view of what folks are like, or even difficult not to, especially it seems when you live in the industrialised (developed) world, and indeed it's easily demonstrated, but the proofs of it usually turn out to be self-fulfilling prophecies. It's just as easy to prove the opposite, and to make it stick, furthermore. Most people do care, about a lot more than just themselves and their own immediate interests and gratifications. But so often it's frustrated, bottled up, no outlet. Even so they often go about their lives in a much more caring and considerate way than probably even they realise. Reagan and Thatcher didn't do a lot of good, along with Milton Friedman et al beating poor old Adam Smith senseless to dress up greed and selfishness as virtues for the good of all. Meanwhile there's a huge industry employing hundreds of thousands of smart people worldwide, armed with powerful tools and a budget of hundreds of billions a year entirely devoted to making people feel dissatisfied with what they've got, bombarding them constantly with the idea that they need and deserve better, with the object of turning us all into happy little dissatisfied consumers, passive in all matters save viewing and shopping. That also works very well, or seems to, but mostly it's just a facade. Scratch just about anyone and you'll find more to them. Out of I don't know how many billions of websites, Journey to Forever allegedly has a traffic ranking among the top 50,000 or something. I don't take too much notice of this, it's too difficult to corroborate it, but it certainly gets a large amount of very diverse feedback, from all kinds of people all over the place, and very few them want anything. Mostly they want to do something, or they are doing it already. How many more don't write? They're not very rare beings, mostly they're just ordinary folks. People spend something like 15,000-20,000 hours a month there, and NOT only finding out how to save a few bucks making biodiesel, there's much more to it than that. That pretty much fits with my idea of how selfish they are, or aren't. Lots of things do, and I really don't wear rose-tinted specs about it, nor about anything, it's not something I need to believe, it's what I see. And not just me. You might enjoy this previous message, from Jai Haissman: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/30694/ Happy, well adjusted people act naturally with others in mind, he concludes, rather convincingly. The happy corollary to that is that we're not nearly as maladjusted as we might sometimes appear. Humans are just fine, nearly all of them. Their institutions are another matter. The story of history, the one vs the other... A tale of steady progress, with constant setbacks. Especially these days, but maybe that's more reason to take heart than to lose it. Some more comments below. --- Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List, I watch the contributions fly by from various subscribers reporting their fuel prices to the student who needs the data for a project. That's wonderful. And it seems there is a sense that biodiesel needs to compete with regular diesel on price. I get that a lot at Piedmont Biofuels, and I thought I would toss this out to the list: Diesel in North Carolina right now is about 1.69 a gallon. At 3.50 a gallon for B100, biodiesel is a bargain. I agree with you on this - here in the UK we do pay for our healthcare more at the pump than in the US, but your point about $3.50 per gallon being a bargain (about half the UK price) stands, as you need to consider the _system_ costs. These will include a lot of things that Joe Public won't even think about. As a society we have decided that I will pay my own health care tab for my asthmatic children. I do not pay for health care at the pump. If I did, if we decided that petroleum producers were accountable for the health effects of their products, add a buck per gallon. This concept is commonplace in cultures where the government pays for health care. Go buy a litre of diesel in Canada sometime. Or any other civilized society, for that matter. As a society we have decided to pay for the security of our oil supply on April 15th--rather than at the pump. Even in peacetime, Uncle Sam maintains a huge (and expensive) military presence in the Persian Gulf. Forget Saddam for a moment (we all know that Operation Iraqi Freedom has nothing to do
