RE: [biofuel] ANWR truth
One interesting industry note that doesn't get reported on much is that the Trans Alaska Pipeline requires 400,000 barrels/day to maintain flow. If it drops below that number, the oil will stop flowing. The Prudhoe Kuparik fields are starting to slow down to where they cannot maintain 400,000 barrels/day. Drilling oil in ANWR would simply increase the pumping life of the Pipeline by a few years - nobody in the industry really believes it will produce enough oil to change our dependence on the Mid-East. Barry Original Message Subject: [biofuel] ANWR truth From: Ross Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, August 17, 2004 9:45 am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Arctic drilling dance A David and Goliath battle is being waged to save Alaskas arctic. The actors in this play are George W. Bush as Goliath, while the national environmental movement, filling in for Gwichin natives, plays David. The setting is the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR), in the extreme northeast corner of Alaska. The imminent threat is a Senate energy bill to allow oil exploration there. While not entirely inaccurate, this dominant imagery is a delusion. George W. Bush is not Goliath. Drilling here has gone full-steam ahead under every president since Jimmy Carter. As for David, far from it. The coalition, represented by the Washington DC-based Alaska Wilderness League, includes every major national environmental organizationthe Sierra Club, Wilderness Society, World Wildlife Fund, National Audubon Society, Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC), etc. They have spent millions over the last decade saving ANWR. They have raised many millions more. Consider a recent NRDC fundraising plea, which urges you to buy their polar bear tote bag, claiming that as the perfect way to show that youre working to keep the Arctic Wild and Free! The ANWR political battle dominates perceptions of Alaskas arctic and the oil industrys role here. But ANWR is not synonymous with the arctic. Its coastal plain is a fraction of the arctic ecosystem. As for keeping it wild and free, theyve been drilling feverishly for nearly three decades. Truth is, ANWR could actually be among the safest places in Alaska. Truth is, this save the arctic song and dance is a ritualistic political exercise in which everybody wins except the actual arctic. Every year, there is a proposal to drill in ANWR. Every year, it is defeated. Every year, environmentalists claim victory. With your generous donation they will do it again next year. Every year, pro-drilling politicians claim victory too, proudly displaying battlescars. With your vote, they will return to give it another go. Our noble David is winning every battle, but losing the war. These victories come at the price of annual compromises to the oil industry. This year, they have gone too far. In a bid to buy the rights to fight the ANWR battle again next year, Gang Green is endorsing the single largest private construction project in the history of humankind. And thats just the beginning. Gasline: The Largest Private Construction Project Ever Alaskas arctic contains huge amounts of natural gas. Typically found in the same places as oil, existing wells suck trillions of cubic feet of the stuff out of the ground. With no way to get it to market, most of it is pumped back in again. The industry pipe dream, kicked around since the early 70s, is to construct a 1,800-mile, $15-20 billion pipeline from Prudhoe Bay, south to Alberta, where it will link to an existing system serving Chicago-based markets. This dream may soon become a reality. The Alaska Gas Producers Pipeline Teama consortium of BP, Phillips and Exxonis in the midst of a $100 million feasibility study scheduled for completion in November. Political boosters are numerous and powerful. The gasline is Alaska Governor Tony Knowles top priority and is high on Democrat and Republican energy policies. A wish list to streamline regulatory review is currently circulating in Congress. The energy crisis is being solved to an alarming degree by new gas-fired electric plants. Lower-48 gas fields are drying up quick. A huge increase in consumption must be supported from elsewhere, making the economic prospects look solid. Perhaps most significantly, there has been a turnaround in public sentiment from the early 70s, when political and environmental opposition and poor economics killed several pipeline proposals, according to an August 2000 article in the Oil and Gas Journal. So dramatic is this shift that the environmental establishment is endorsing the idea it once killed. Increased extraction of natural gas, and particularly the Alaska gasline, is a
[biofuel] Small batch in large processor
What does one need to watch out for when trying a small batch in a large processor? The things that i can think of are: 1. The resistance, heater should never get in contact with air, or it will over heat, explosion. One has to calculate the volume in the pump and hoses aswell. 2. The pump has to have liquid up to its entry, or it will not work because it cant suck air. The resistance is a washing machine resistance, and the pump is also a 60w washing machine pump. The processor is a 110 l plastic drum. I havent built the processor yet. I have just gathered all the parts. I have 2 heaters, maby i could mount one lower for smaller batches and the other at the normal level for full capacity. Or am i being dangerously lazy. Am i missing something? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] miscibility of ethanol
As I recall they are miscible in all proportions. A little gas will dissolve completely in ethanol and a little ethanol will dissolve in gasoline. Larosa Rodolfo wrote: Hello Martin, Thank you for your reply. But which is the maximun solubility of absolute ethanol in gasoline and gasoline in absolute ethanol ? Are there graphics or tables ? Thank You Rodolfo - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] miscibility of ethanol Larosa Rodolfo wrote: [Edited to change subject title, was Re: [biofuel] What to plant for biodiesel, and to delete irrelevant previous message. KA] Please, I need information about miscibility of ethanol - gasoline. If do you have this information (trables, graphics, ecc) is possible send me. Thank You Rodolfo Hello Rodolfo, Ethanol can only be mixed with gasoline if it contains no water - 100% alcohol. Otherwise it will not mix without a lot of additives such as benzene. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- Bob Allen, Professor of Chemistry http://ozarker.org/bob Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. Article 19 of The Declaration of Human Rights, adopted by the United Nations General Assembly,10 December 1948: ~~~ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Stupid measuring question
the volume of a cylinder is Pi*radius squared * length (or height). If you do the measurements in centimeters the answer is in cubic centimeters, and one cubic centimeter is equal to a milliliter. 1000 milliliters equals one liter. Hence measure the barrel, determine the volume in liters. then the ratio of the height of the 110 liter mark, divided by the height barrel will be equal to the ratio of 110L/ volume of the barrel. Twice that high will be the 220 L mark. This assumes that the barrel is a true cylinder. If not all bets are off. Teoman Naskali wrote: I need to measure a barrel that I have so I can mark the 110 L and 220L levels. What do you advise? The precision lab equipment that is graded up to 800ml. I suppose 100 cups wont do the trick, Probably filling a 5L water bottle precisely then using that 20 times yep that will work too. might be a good idea?? Thanks Teoman - Bob Allen, Professor of Chemistry http://ozarker.org/bob Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. Article 19 of The Declaration of Human Rights, adopted by the United Nations General Assembly,10 December 1948: ~~~ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: multitude of questions regarding Methanol recove ry
4) With my limited understanding of physics it would seem that if one where to suck the contents of a container out, one would have to allow air or some other substance back in to fill the void (ie one hole only in an oil can - you wouldn't be able to pour it). As this applies to meth recovery, would you open a vent on your reactor in order to provide flow of the evaporated meth to the condensor??? I am no pro but if you let in air from another hole then you loose your vaccum. I think a flow, specialy one that bubbles through the liquid would be very efficient. What i think could be done is first create a vaccum, and then with the help of valves direct the output of the vaccum pump to the bottom of the processor. (it would be a very good idea to keep the vaccum pump higher than your processor so if something goes wrong it doesnt fill up with liquid) Teoman Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] DEUTERIUM: Philippines' Economic Solutions
True to a point, because they also use some Deuterium, in the form of Heavy Water, to make heavy lithium hydroxide. When the heavy lithium hydroxide under goes neutron bombardment, when an atomic bomb going off, most of it transmutes to tritium, and free nuclei. A little free tritium is normally used to boost the starting blast, but, most of it comes from the heavy lithium hydroxide. It is the atomic bomb part of a thermonuclear device that makes 95%+ of the radioactive debris. In theory, a if a way could be found to make a mass of heavy lithium, under go transmutation rapidly, without with out setting off an atomic bomb, then you would have a allot of energy without all the radioactivity. In part, that is what fusion power so interesting and attractively clean compared to a standard nuclear fission plant. Greg H. - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 18:00 Subject: Re: [biofuel] DEUTERIUM: Philippines' Economic Solutions Tritium is the hydrogen of a hydrogen bomb. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Correcting an Incomplete Reaction
I processed a 40 liter batch after having made a successful test batch and quality test http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality and the result I got from the 40 liter batch was incomplete reaction due to insufficient heat. It was the maiden voyage of my newly built reactor and I hadn't completely understood it's ins and outs yet. I figured that I would simply just throw on the heater and recycle it for an hour via the pump and so that is what I did and same thing, bad completion, so after a couple days (BD still in the reactor) I got the brilliant idea of re-processing the batch as new oil, so off I went and intended, methoxide in hand, to re-process the batch, but not yet being too familiar with my new reactor's temp gauge (automotive heavy duty) I turned the heat on and off while giving the mix a mix with the pump a few times and then on the last time out the gauge read 150F *%^$$! too hot and I remembered that methanol boils at 148.5F so I figured that I was getting some pressure build up (bright huh?) so I reklived it via the pressure release valve which I have plumbed away from the unit. All in all, I was not able to re-mix with methopxide as I had planned, time constaints forbidding, so I just let the pump go for another 40 minutes at 150F and let it all settle. Before leaving I took a sample of the new mix in a Masson jar home to do a new quality test on it as soon as time permitted and so that is what I did and the result ? GOOD FUEL ! Complete seperation within a minute with milky white water on the bottom and amber BD on top, and a slight middle layer. After 5 minutes no more middle layer and a clear cut seperated milk and BD. I am pleased :) L. PS: Saturday was the first 15 liters that the Benz got from the batch I had processed previously whcih made it about a 50/50 blend. Onwards and upwards. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] ANWR truth
Barry, As I understand it, ANWR is fairly well investigated and a major part of the US strategic reserve. This mean that it is included in the R/P value for US, that is 10 years. It also confirm what you are saying about how long it would last and the effects on oil dependence. Hakan At 23:27 17/08/2004, you wrote: One interesting industry note that doesn't get reported on much is that the Trans Alaska Pipeline requires 400,000 barrels/day to maintain flow. If it drops below that number, the oil will stop flowing. The Prudhoe Kuparik fields are starting to slow down to where they cannot maintain 400,000 barrels/day. Drilling oil in ANWR would simply increase the pumping life of the Pipeline by a few years - nobody in the industry really believes it will produce enough oil to change our dependence on the Mid-East. Barry Original Message Subject: [biofuel] ANWR truth From: Ross Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, August 17, 2004 9:45 am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Arctic drilling dance A David and Goliath battle is being waged to save Alaskaâs arctic. The actors in this play are George W. Bush as ãGoliath,ä while the national environmental movement, filling in for Gwichâin natives, plays ãDavid.ä The setting is the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR), in the extreme northeast corner of Alaska. The imminent threat is a Senate energy bill to allow oil exploration there. While not entirely inaccurate, this dominant imagery is a delusion. George W. Bush is not Goliath. Drilling here has gone full-steam ahead under every president since Jimmy Carter. As for ãDavid,ä far from it. The coalition, represented by the Washington DC-based Alaska Wilderness League, includes every major national environmental organization÷the Sierra Club, Wilderness Society, World Wildlife Fund, National Audubon Society, Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC), etc. They have spent millions over the last decade ãsavingä ANWR. They have raised many millions more. Consider a recent NRDC fundraising plea, which urges you to buy their polar bear tote bag, claiming that as ãthe perfect way to show that youâre working to keep the Arctic Wild and Free!ä The ANWR political battle dominates perceptions of Alaskaâs arctic and the oil industryâs role here. But ANWR is not synonymous with ãthe arctic.ä Its coastal plain is a fraction of the arctic ecosystem. As for ãkeepingä it wild and free, theyâve been drilling feverishly for nearly three decades. Truth is, ANWR could actually be among the safest places in Alaska. Truth is, this ãsave the arcticä song and dance is a ritualistic political exercise in which everybody wins except the actual arctic. Every year, there is a proposal to drill in ANWR. Every year, it is defeated. Every year, environmentalists claim victory. With your generous donation they will do it again next year. Every year, pro-drilling politicians claim victory too, proudly displaying battlescars. With your vote, they will return to give it another go. Our noble David is winning every battle, but losing the war. These victories come at the price of annual compromises to the oil industry. This year, they have gone too far. In a bid to buy the rights to fight the ANWR battle again next year, ãGang Greenä is endorsing the single largest private construction project in the history of humankind. And thatâs just the beginning. Gasline: The Largest Private Construction Project Ever Alaskaâs arctic contains huge amounts of natural gas. Typically found in the same places as oil, existing wells suck trillions of cubic feet of the stuff out of the ground. With no way to get it to market, most of it is pumped back in again. The industry pipe dream, kicked around since the early Î70âs, is to construct a 1,800-mile, $15-20 billion pipeline from Prudhoe Bay, south to Alberta, where it will link to an existing system serving Chicago-based markets. This dream may soon become a reality. The Alaska Gas Producers Pipeline Team÷a consortium of BP, Phillips and Exxon÷is in the midst of a $100 million feasibility study scheduled for completion in November. Political boosters are numerous and powerful. The gasline is Alaska Governor Tony Knowlesâ top priority and is high on Democrat and Republican energy policies. A ãwish listä to ãstreamlineä regulatory review is currently circulating in Congress. The ãenergy crisisä is being ãsolvedä to an alarming degree by new gas-fired electric plants. Lower-48 gas fields are drying up quick. A huge increase in consumption must be supported from elsewhere, making the economic prospects look solid. Perhaps most significantly, there has been ãa turnaround in public
[biofuel] Clean Energy Goes To College
Clean Energy Goes To College by Fred Durso Jr. There is a new wave of activism sweeping across college campuses. Student groups are coordinating efforts to reduce fossil-fuel dependency by pushing for more renewable alternatives and putting forth-specific goals for their colleges. They're also synchronizing their actions with other campuses across the United States, putting up a united front for cleaner energy. This is a growing movement, and more and more students are getting involved, said Billy Parish, director of the Climate Campaign, a network of 10 student environmental organizations. What's driving it is the Bush administration's disastrous energy policy. Some 125 schools took part in a National Day of Action last April 1. Also known as Fossil Fools Day, the event included demonstrations promoting renewable energy and protests against the Bush administration's fossil-fuel-friendly energy plan. College campuses are pollution factories. A recent Yale University study reports that the school emits more greenhouse gases than 32 developing countries. With 84 percent of emissions coming from on-campus power plants (burning a mix of fuel oil and natural gas), Yale surpasses the Cayman Islands and Central African Republic in total annual emissions. Students are bringing the energy protests home. At Temple University in Philadelphia, students are rallying behind wind power, recently passing a resolution expressing willingness to pay an extra fee for it on their term bill. If the plan goes through, it will be the third-largest university purchase of clean energy, supplying 7 percent of the institution's needs, said Kim Teplitzky, a member of Students for Environmental Action at Temple. Sarah Hammond Creighton, author of Greening the Ivory Tower, is leading the Tufts Climate Initiative. Tufts has a longstanding commitment to action on 'greening,' she said. In 1999, the Tufts campus pledged to meet or exceed the Kyoto Treaty goals of reducing carbon dioxide emissions. In 2002, the campus began work on a solar residence hall, which will incorporate energy-efficiency and photovoltaic electricity. Tufts has also joined the Zipcar car-sharing program and purchased four zero-emission electric cars from Toyota. Environmental groups at Columbia University have joined forces to create the C.U. Green Umbrella. The goals this year include pressuring the New York state legislature to cap carbon emissions and convincing the university to make more socially responsible investments. Building a solid activist community will guarantee tangible results in our campaigns, said Columbia student Anjana Sharma. We need to make the change now to renewable energy sources, instead of doing it when we have no other choice. Source: E/The Environmental Magazine, 13 August 2004 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Small batch in large processor
If you have not yet mounted the immersion heater, then why not just mount it low enough right from the start? (heat rises)Only thing to watch out for there is not to mount it so low that it will burn the bottom of your poly tank, then a better solution would be to get a metal one (about the same size if space is a factor) and then have someone competent (you?) weld a flange into the side and then simply screw in your heater into it. This later is what I have done for my pre-heat tank and it works very well. I also have a spout at the very bottom for draining. Converting this pre-heat tank to a small batch processor is also do- able by locating a suitable top for it and making the required holes for the drill/paint stirrer and the thermometer. A riskier way to do it (due to the methanol) is to do it in an open can although that should never be undertaken indoors as the fumes are dangerous and could cause serious harm, but it will do as little as 20 liters (I have done it). You then can wash in the same tank using the paint stirrer as a pump after you have drained off the glycerine. I did the small batch as a learning curve thing and was happy that I did, although for the time involved I won't be doing that again, opting rather for full batches in the large processor and then washing via pump in a Standpipe tank; http://www.veggieavenger.com/avengerboard/viewtopic.php?t=333) The hose coming out of the water side gets attached to the pump and the return is either a hose clamped to the side of the tank or flanged through the side of it. The other exit from the standpipe is for BD only after it's final wash and can also be hooked up to a drill-pump to fascilitate draining. Thr drill-pumps I have work well with processed BD once the glycerine is removed. L. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What does one need to watch out for when trying a small batch in a large processor? The things that i can think of are: 1. The resistance, heater should never get in contact with air, or it will over heat, explosion. One has to calculate the volume in the pump and hoses aswell. 2. The pump has to have liquid up to its entry, or it will not work because it cant suck air. The resistance is a washing machine resistance, and the pump is also a 60w washing machine pump. The processor is a 110 l plastic drum. I havent built the processor yet. I have just gathered all the parts. I have 2 heaters, maby i could mount one lower for smaller batches and the other at the normal level for full capacity. Or am i being dangerously lazy. Am i missing something? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] I am new here
I wanted to introduce myself. I am from Ozark Missouri and very interested in building a processor for my own personal use. I have a Ford F350 truck that I pull a horse trailer and carry a 9' slide in camper. With all this weight would I have a problem with using BD? I am not sure if I would have a power lose or not. I saved from 1999 the issue of Power House that gives instructions for making BD. Really I was intrigued way back then and had just got a diesel vehicle at the time. For some weird reason I saved the magazine just in case. Is there any pictures, I am a visual person, of homemade processors? I have access to food grade 55 gallon drums, and my husband is a tinkerer (is that a word) from way back. He is not 100% convinced that this will work or won't tear up the engine in my truck. My son works for Highlandsprings Country Club in the kitchen, for now, and I am sure I can get all their leftover oil. For the past 5 years I made soap so the lye thing and all that is like an old hat to me. Now to build a processor and make a few small batches in the blender.. Charlene Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Chemistry of washing
When I wash my test batch, it creates a vaccum in the container it is washed in. Obviously some kind of chemical reaction takes place. What could it be? And what does it absorb from the air??? I don't think it is the Co2 or the O2, could it be the N2?? Please enlighten me, or have I bungled it up yet again. Teoman Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] refueling hydrogen vehicles hot topic at conference
Refueling Hydrogen Vehicles is Hot Topic at Conference http://www.alternate-energy.net/refuel_hydrogen04.html Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ news - resources - forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] wash test
Hello Everyone, I did a wash test on one of my batches this morning and am unsure of the results. As I mentioned in my last post concerning Acusorb beads, I filteer my biodiesel through a filter containing Acusorb beads. No washing. The biodiesel is crystal clear after filtering. The shake test separated in about 10 minutes leaving the biodiesel sitting on top of about 2 mm of emulsion and very hazy. The water is very nearly clear. Is my fuel finished ? Thanks, Bill Clark - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Colour of latest batch Gregg, Fuel from shortening makes perfectly fine biodiesel. Actually it makes fuel of higher energy content than other less saturated feedstocks. If the water wash test is taking half of one hour to split, you've got an incomplete reaction. Draw off 200 ml of what you believe to be biodiesel and reprocess it to see if more glyc drops.. Also, if it's taking four or five washes before you get a clean rinse, something is amiss. As for the colour of the fuel, that is largely determined by the degree that the parent stock was abused. While the fuel colour will be considerably lighter than the parent stock when finished, you'll never get blonde fuel out of brunette oil. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: gregg2560 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 8:16 AM Subject: [biofuel] Colour of latest batch Hi All, I'm at a bit of a loss regarding the colour of my latest batch of biodiesel. It is a medium amber rather than pale straw yellow. This particular batch went through about 8 washes. The water in the first one or two was quite milky as expected, washes 3 - 6 got increasingly clear, the last 2 looked like clean water. I checked the pH it was 6.8 to 7.2. I also did the shake test, the BD water separated within 30 - 45 minutes. The only thing I can think of is that this batch was made from vegetable shortening rather than oil. I'm wondering if maybe I should run it back through the process (Aleks Kac Method). As always, any help, advice, or suggestions are appreciated. Sincerely, Gregg Davidson Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: crude glycerine request
Fwd, FWIW - and anybody who makes a few million out of it will of course not need any reminding to send a hefty lump of it our way. :-) Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ From: Alla Pul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: crude glycerine request To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:58:23 +0300 Dear Sir, Madam Our company Ukrchemresourse (UCR) produces glycerine and sells it in Ukraine, Russia and other CIS countries. We are looking for a supplier of crude 75-80% glycerine. We need 250-300 metric tons (min. 20 tons) every month. Can you sell us this product or maybe one of your partners can? Thank you in advance for your early reply. Please contact us by e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sincerely yours, Kate Kravtsova http://photo.alkar.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodiesel site to be eco-friendly
http://www.bordermail.com.au/newsflow/pageitem?page_id=779923 The Border Mail NEWS Sat, Aug 14, 2004 Biodiesel site to be eco-friendly Director rejects pollution claims OBJECTIONS to a proposed $25 million biodiesel plant at Barnawartha were based on a fear of the unknown, it was claimed yesterday. Mr Dennis Barron also suggested objectors were spreading misinformation about the project. Fear and misinformation is the problem, he said. Mr Barron is managing director of Biodiesel Producers Ltd, a non-listed public company based in Perth. Biodiesel Producers has received a Federal Government grant of|$9.6 million for the Barnawartha plant. Mr Barron said the plant, which would produce 60 million litres of biodiesel a year, had the backing of the ANZ Bank, Border trucking and bus companies and adjoining landholders. But a small number of objectors were using misinformation to back their opposition. Mr Barron said the plant, which would be the largest of its kind in Australia, would not create any odour nor would it lead to increased stench from an adjoining rendering plant. Contrary to claims it was not a chemical plant. The plant used mentholated spirits and caustic soda. Tallow represented 84 per cent of the ingredients. Mr Barron said claims the plant would use vast amounts of water were wrong. He said daily usage would be slightly more than 7000 litres or about 2.5 million litres a year. The plant would use ground water which, after use, would be reticulated for use on adjoining farms. All it has is a bit of organic fertiliser in it, Mr Barron said. None of the water will go into Indigo Creek and the plant does not present any sort of threat to the creek. Mr Barron also rejected claims the plant would generate large numbers of truck movements were also wrong. Between six to eight trucks a day would visit the plant. Mr Barron said if the plant was built, it would not be expanded. The company already had plans to build other plants, including one at Orange in NSW. Mr Barron was confident he could show fears were unfounded. The plant would have to conform with strict Environment Protection Authority regulations. The tallow to be used to make biodiesel would come from Melbourne,|the Border and parts of NSW. The same trucks bringing in the tallow will take out the biodiesel, Mr Barron said. This is something to be proud of it is green energy rather than knock it or be scared of it. Fear and misinformation is the problem. Mr Barron said the plant would be similar to one being constructed at Motherwell in Scotland. It would use modern technology sourced from Austria but other parts, including piping, and construction, would be made locally. When it is finished it will look just like a winery, Mr Barron said. If we wanted, we could run it as a tourist attraction. The plant would use modern fire protection. It also would create full-time, well-paid jobs for 24 people. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Will Russia, the Oil Superpower, Flex Its Muscles?
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/15/business/yourmoney/15russia.html The New York Times Will Russia, the Oil Superpower, Flex Its Muscles? By ERIN E. ARVEDLUND Published: August 15, 2004 MOSCOW RUSSIA is again emerging as a superpower - but the reason has less to do with nuclear weapons than with oil. The country has its swagger back, as its economy expands for the fourth consecutive year and the world price of oil hovering at just over $45 a barrel. Now the second-largest oil producer behind Saudi Arabia, Russia has positioned itself as an important alternative supplier to the increasingly unstable Middle East. But Russia's oil supply is looking none too stable these days. The Kremlin's protracted battle with its largest producer and exporter of crude oil, Yukos, has raised doubts among some skittish traders about the reliability of Russian supplies and helped drive up prices in unusually tight global oil markets. The Yukos affair began last October, when the government arrested Mikhail B. Khodorkovsky, the company's founder. Officially, he was detained on tax and fraud charges, though there has been speculation that the arrest may have been retribution for his support of political parties opposed to President Vladimir V. Putin. Not long after that, Yukos was hit with a $3.4 billion tax bill for 2000, and some analysts said tax bills through 2003 could total $10 billion. At the same time, the government has barred the company from selling assets to raise cash and has frozen its bank accounts. Yukos's share price has tumbled - and concern about the reliability of Russian oil supplies has soared - amid the appearance that the Kremlin is driving the company into bankruptcy proceedings. People in the industry are split on whether Yukos will survive in its current form, but they are almost unanimous in dismissing concerns about Russia's commitment to remain an oil-exporting superpower. They, and the government, point out that even amid the back-and-forth over Yukos, Russia's oil production has not dropped by a single barrel. Indeed, Russia's output has risen strongly over the past year. And Viktor Khristenko, the industry and energy minister, took pains to publicly reassure Mr. Putin and the world on Wednesday that the Yukos situation would not disrupt exports. Production is growing steadily, Mr. Khristenko told the president, in remarks that led national news broadcasts. For the first seven months of this year, Russia produced about 2 billion barrels of oil, and the year's total should be almost 3.3 billion barrels, he said. In 2003, Russia produced 3.073 billion barrels. Oil markets are likely to remain jittery for a while, because of sabotage in Iraq, a referendum today on President Hugo Chvez of Venezuela and the Aug. 31 deadline for Yukos to pay its 2000 tax bill. But the Kremlin is unlikely to let Russian exports drop significantly as a result of its fight with Mr. Khodorkovsky, industry executives and analysts said. For one thing, Russia can produce more oil than it has the pipelines to export, so any dip in Yukos's production could be made up elsewhere. For another, high prices are letting Russia reap windfall profits from oil sales. Lastly, the Kremlin is unlikely to risk the international opprobrium that turning off Yukos's taps would generate. Russia's international standing would be destroyed, said Christopher Weafer, chief strategist at Alfa Bank here. The Kremlin wouldn't jeopardize its position in the global economy by what would be nothing short of an act of global economic terrorism. In some ways, the Kremlin itself may have been surprised by the effect of its Yukos prosecution on the global oil market. Russia has become a decisive force in the world oil market in a way it hasn't been since the beginning of the 1960's, when its exports stimulated the birth of OPEC, said Daniel Yergin, chairman of Cambridge Energy Research Associates, based in Cambridge, Mass. Mr. Yergin added, however, that the Kremlin's tussle with Yukos at another time wouldn't have had the same effect. This, he explained, is in part because the world oil market is even tighter than in the 1973 oil crisis. What the Kremlin certainly did know before prosecuting Yukos was just how important the company is to Russia's status as a petro-state. Yukos produced 591 million barrels of crude oil last year, nearly 20 percent of Russia's production. Yukos has 14.7 billion barrels of oil reserves, almost as much as the OPEC members Algeria and Indonesia combined. That helps explain why the Yukos affair has had such a powerful global effect. If it weren't for Yukos, we wouldn't have crossed the $45 mark, said Fadel Gheit, oil analyst at Oppenheimer Company. INDUSTRY leaders in Russia say they encourage outsiders to take a longer view of the country's ability to prevent the price of crude from spiking. Russia today has a very important role in the stability
[biofuel] 'Data Quality' Law Is Nemesis Of Regulation
White House Regulatory Actions Overlooked The Data Quality Act -- written by an industry lobbyist and slipped into a giant appropriations bill in 2000 without congressional discussion or debate -- is just two sentences directing the [White House Office of Management and Budget] to ensure that all information disseminated by the federal government is reliable. But the Bush administration's interpretation of those two sentences could tip the balance in regulatory disputes that weigh the interests of consumers and businesses, the Washington Post reports in a 3-part series on the direction of regulatory action under George W. Bush. Environmental and consumer groups say the Data Quality Act fits into a larger Bush administration agenda. In the past six months, more than 4,000 scientists, including dozens of Nobel laureates and 11 winners of the National Medal of Science, have signed statements accusing the administration of politicizing science, the Post writes. The New York Times also recently looked at the regulatory issue, writing, Allies and critics of the Bush administration agree that the Sept. 11 attacks, the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq have preoccupied the public, overshadowing an important element of the president's agenda: new regulatory initiatives. http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A3733-2004Aug15?language=printer washingtonpost.com: 'Data Quality' Law Is Nemesis Of Regulation washingtonpost.com 'Data Quality' Law Is Nemesis Of Regulation By Rick Weiss Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, August 16, 2004; Page A01 Second of three articles Things were not looking good a few years ago for the makers of atrazine, America's second-leading weedkiller. The company was seeking approval from the Environmental Protection Agency to keep the highly profitable product on the market. But scientists were finding it was disrupting hormones in wildlife -- in some cases turning frogs into bizarre creatures bearing both male and female sex organs. Last October, concerns about the herbicide led the European Union to ban atrazine, starting in 2005. Yet that same month, after 10 years of contentious scientific review, the EPA decided to permit ongoing use in the United States with no new restrictions. Herbicide approvals are complicated, and there is no one reason that atrazine passed regulatory muster in this country. But close observers give significant credit to a single sentence that was added to the EPA's final scientific assessment last year. Hormone disruption, it read, cannot be considered a legitimate regulatory endpoint at this time -- that is, it is not an acceptable reason to restrict a chemical's use -- because the government had not settled on an officially accepted test for measuring such disruption. Those words, which effectively rendered moot hundreds of pages of scientific evidence, were adopted by the EPA as a result of a petition filed by a Washington consultant working with atrazine's primary manufacturer, Syngenta Crop Protection. The petition was filed under the Data Quality Act, a little-known piece of legislation that, under President Bush's Office of Management and Budget, has become a potent tool for companies seeking to beat back regulation. The Data Quality Act -- written by an industry lobbyist and slipped into a giant appropriations bill in 2000 without congressional discussion or debate -- is just two sentences directing the OMB to ensure that all information disseminated by the federal government is reliable. But the Bush administration's interpretation of those two sentences could tip the balance in regulatory disputes that weigh the interests of consumers and businesses. John D. Graham, administrator of the OMB Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA), who has directed implementation of the Data Quality Act, said the law will keep the federal government hewing to sound science. He said the act, which allows people and companies to challenge government information they believe is inaccurate, is equally accessible to a wide diversity of interests, both in the business community and in the consumer, environmental and conservation communities. But many consumers, conservationists and worker advocates say the act is inherently biased in favor of industry. By demanding that government use only data that have achieved a rare level of certainty, these critics maintain, the act dismisses scientific information that in the past would have triggered tighter regulation. A Washington Post analysis of government records indicates that in the first 20 months since the act was fully implemented, it has been used predominantly by industry. Setting aside the many Data Quality Act petitions filed to correct narrow typographical or factual errors in government publications or Web sites, the analysis found 39 petitions with potentially broad economic, policy or regulatory impact. Of those, 32 were
Re: [biofuel] I am new here
Greetings Charlene, welcome You've come to the right place. I wanted to introduce myself. I am from Ozark Missouri and very interested in building a processor for my own personal use. I have a Ford F350 truck that I pull a horse trailer and carry a 9' slide in camper. With all this weight would I have a problem with using BD? I am not sure if I would have a power lose or not. I saved from 1999 the issue of Power House that gives instructions for making BD. Really I was intrigued way back then and had just got a diesel vehicle at the time. For some weird reason I saved the magazine just in case. Use it to light your next fire. Please see these two messages in the list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/31729/ http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/29919/ ... and consult the resources listed in the Welcome message you received when you joined the list. If you threw it away without reading it, well, that's sad, but they're also listed at the list's website at Yahoo: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel Is there any pictures, I am a visual person, of homemade processors? I have access to food grade 55 gallon drums, and my husband is a tinkerer (is that a word) from way back. He is not 100% convinced that this will work or won't tear up the engine in my truck. My son works for Highlandsprings Country Club in the kitchen, for now, and I am sure I can get all their leftover oil. For the past 5 years I made soap so the lye thing and all that is like an old hat to me. Now to build a processor and make a few small batches in the blender.. Wrong way round. Start here: Where do I start? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start Best wishes Keith Charlene Smith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Re: [Bioenergy] Termiculture - Termite oil (termite biodiesel?)
In 1930 Germans obtained grease for fuel, soap, etc using insects(flys, termites) and arthropodes (spiders, crabs) that were fed with sewer waters, try old German technical bibliography, if you have any success please let me know, I will appreciate it very much... F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:06 AM Subject: [biofuel] Fwd: Re: [Bioenergy] Termiculture - Termite oil (termite biodiesel?) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 01:18:33 -0400 From: Matt Pottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Bioenergy] Termiculture - Termite oil (termite biodiesel?) List-Id: Discussion of general topics in biomass energy bioenergy.listserv.repp.org Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] How much oil per lb? That is what I wish I knew. There is no information on this yet. None. Nobody has ever harvested termites on a large scale (as of yet) or made any real investigation into the different products that could be refined from insects such as termites. Termites do, however, have a high fat and protien content, and some species have large fatty deposits on them which are clearly visible. Termites are known as a high energy food source because of this high fat content. There are other goodies produced by termites also. Their exoskeletons are made up of a natural polymer called chitin, a very promising and valuable substance, which has many uses of it's own, and can be converted to another substance called chitosan, which also is a high value substance. http://www.bae.ncsu.edu/courses/bae465/1995_projects/bake/smith/index1.html Uses of chitin and its derivatives: One of the more important things that chitin, and its products, could be used for is in treating burn patients. Chitin has a remarkable compatibility with living tissue, and has been looked at for its ability to increase the healing of wounds. There is also evidence that chitosan can reduce serum cholesterol levels. More research has also indicated that chitosan can increase crop yields, and clean and clear up pools. http://www.psrc.usm.edu/macrog/sea/chitin.htm After extracting the fat for biodiesel or other uses (preferably higher value than biodiesel if possible), and the chitin as another high value product, you are left with protien, which also should have value. Not sure about the economics of it, but with high value products like that, it would definitely beat an energy-only solution. Capital cost would also be much, much lower for raising termites than something like gasification, pyrolysis, or alcohol fermentation, etc, and it could be done on a small scale, for a family farm! Concepts like this, making multiple bio-based products through bio-refining of one feedstock source will outcompete simply burning the biomass for it's energy content only, and will be capable of paying a higher price for the biomass, leaving biomass power plants and other facilities which use biomass for energy only at a great disadvantage, if there is competition for the resources. Non-energy uses will always win out in the end it seems! Energy is the lowest value product and should always be the by-product of some higher value use if it's going to compete, in my opinion. I didn't know this before, but it seems to be all too true! Just a warning to anyone who was thinking the way I did before I learned this! Energy should be a byproduct of biomass useage, not the primary product to have any hope to compete against fossil fuels, and in the future, no biomass power plant (or fossil power plant) will compete against a bio-refinery!! IMHO!! Sincerely, Matt Tim Castleman wrote: Seems an interesting idea - how much oil per lb of harvested termite? And of course, how many pounds of cellulose, on average would it require to reach maturity. No doubt different material results in different percentages of oil? Interesting idea, I like it! Other examples of domesticated: worms, beneficial insects, fertilizers - not at all unprecedented! Thanks for sharing, Tim ___ Bioenergy mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/bioenergy Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives:
Re: [biofuel] diesel motorcycles
Hello Anthony, I live in Bangalore-India. I have enquired about the same at royal enfield here in three different authorized stockists of enfield bikes. All responded same fashion Out of production Regards, Aravind Anthony J. Garguilo, Jr wrote: What company is producing/importing diesel powered motorcycles into the U.S.A. I tried contacting Royal Enfield but they never responded. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Bashing biodiesel (esp. homebrew) online
After reading these 2 posts about bashing biodiesel, my mind came across some questions that I could not find answers to in the archives. George Morrison points out that in every sample of biodiesel there is 350-800 ppm of water and anything above 100ppm, there is a problem with water dropout in the fuel. Reading some of Girl Mark's comments on jtf, she states that there is anywhere from 1200-1500 ppm of water that biodiesel absorbs from the atmosphere. She also said that she has been experimenting with bubbling the bio to see if any more water comes off. I haven't been commenting a lot, because I have been busy just reading, learning and more reading. I tend to listen more than I talk. Anyways, I know that ppm is a small figure, but can these amounts be detrimental to engines over time, or is the water content just harmlessly burned along with the fuel? I have been still working on my processor and have all the components, and now between work and family have to find the time to put it together. Any and all comments are welcome and as always...thanks. Jonathan. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Ryan Comments below. I've just had this thread brought to my attention on thedieselpage.com. There looks to be a lot of people over there bashing biodiesel as holding too much water and potentially destroying the high pressure injection systems on the Chevrolet duramax diesel. They are being especially harsh on homebrew and on fuel made from waste oil. One or two of the people who are defending biodiesel in general sound like they are talking the NBB line about homebrewers and waste oil causing quality problems and suggesting everyone stay away from it. I don't yet have the experience or the hard numbers to defend biodiesel, but I'm sure more than one person on here does. Here's the link: http://forum.thedieselpage.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php? ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=007240 Thanks, Ryan Yeah, the usual mindless knee-jerk reaction - of course big industry would do it right and produce quality fuel, of course a bunch of scruffy amateurs would produce poor-quality sub-spec junk in their backyards. It turns out that the truth is the very opposite, and there's plenty of evidence of it. It's all in the list archives for anyone to find, if they want to. I'll extract some for you, and add some more. I've just had a message from Aleks Kac. It refers to the basic quality test: Quality testing http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality This is the most useful all-round test, and it's very simple: Put 150 ml of unwashed biodiesel (settled, with the glycerine layer removed) in a half-litre glass jar. Add 150 ml of water, screw the lid on tight and shake it up and down violently for 10 seconds or more. Then let it settle. The biodiesel should separate from the water in half an hour or less, with amber biodiesel on top and milky water below. This is quality fuel, a completed product with minimal contaminants, well within the standard specifications. Wash it and then use it with confidence. But if it turns into something that looks like mayonaisse (emulsifies) and won't separate, or if it only separates very slowly, with a thick white layer sandwiched between water and biodiesel, it's not quality fuel and your process needs improvement. Either you've used too much catalyst and made soap (better titration), or a poor conversion has left you with mono- and diglycerides (try more methanol, better agitation, longer processing time, better temperature control), or both. Whichever, you're headed for washing problems. Super-gentle washing techniques might avoid the problems, but you'll still be left with poor-quality fuel laced with contaminants that are bad for the engine and the fuel system. Even normal bubble-washing is quite gentle, and it's worth repeating the test with some washed fuel -- it should separate from the water cleanly within 10 minutes. Aleks wrote: For nosyness' sake I tried the ole' test - mix a little water in your finished product and watch the separation - but with a commercial biodiesel sample from Austria. Horrifying results: it created a thick white foam between the water and bio layers. The le white foam thinned to 1/4 of thickness in 2 weeks, but hasn't dis- saspeared. After 2 weeks the fuel still hasn't cleared. Conclusion: Commercial bio is not washed with water! I suspect it has merely distilled its meth out and neutralized in a solid acid bed. Bad fuel!!! We did the same here with some commercial brew, and got the same result. Bad fuel! We used some of our own production as a control (normal production, nothing special), it separated cleanly within minutes, NO white layer. The commercial stuff took SIX MONTHS to clear. This is from a previous message: Some months back
[biofuel] Pollutants cause huge rise in brain diseases
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1283563,00.html The Observer | UK News | Pollutants cause huge rise in brain diseases Scientists alarmed as number of cases triples in 20 years Juliette Jowit, environment editor Sunday August 15, 2004 The Observer The numbers of sufferers of brain diseases, including Alzheimer's, Parkinson's and motor neurone disease, have soared across the West in less than 20 years, scientists have discovered. The alarming rise, which includes figures showing rates of dementia have trebled in men, has been linked to rises in levels of pesticides, industrial effluents, domestic waste, car exhausts and other pollutants, says a report in the journal Public Health. In the late 1970s, there were around 3,000 deaths a year from these conditions in England and Wales. By the late 1990s, there were 10,000. 'This has really scared me,' said Professor Colin Pritchard of Bournemouth University, one of the report's authors. 'These are nasty diseases: people are getting more of them and they are starting earlier. We have to look at the environment and ask ourselves what we are doing.' The report, which Pritchard wrote with colleagues at Southampton University, covered the incidence of brain diseases in the UK, US, Japan, Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands and Spain in 1979-1997. The researchers then compared death rates for the first three years of the study period with the last three, and discovered that dementias - mainly Alzheimer's, but including other forms of senility - more than trebled for men and rose nearly 90 per cent among women in England and Wales. All the other countries were also affected. For other ailments, such as Parkinson's and motor neurone disease, the group found there had been a rise of about 50 per cent in cases for both men and women in every country except Japan. The increases in neurological deaths mirror rises in cancer rates in the West. Advertiser links Unicef - Charity Gift Shop Unique Christmas cards and gifts including candle gift sets,... secure.unicef.org.uk Minibus Insurance for Charities Total Insurance Group are minibus insurance specialists for... minibus-insurance.co.uk Wateraid Wateraid are a major international charity dedicated... wateraid.org The team stresses that its figures take account of the fact that people are living longer and it has also made allowances for the fact that diagnoses of such ailments have improved. It is comparing death rates, not numbers of cases, it says. As to the cause of this disturbing rise, Pritchard said genetic causes could be ruled out because any changes to DNA would take hundreds of years to take effect. 'It must be the environment,' he said. The causes were most likely to be chemicals, from car pollution to pesticides on crops and industrial chemicals used in almost every aspect of modern life, from processed food to packaging, from electrical goods to sofa covers, Pritchard said. Food is also a major concern because it provides the most obvious explanation for the exclusion of Japan from many of these trends. Only when Japanese people move to the other countries do their disease rates increase. 'There's no one single cause ... and most of the time we have no studies on all the multiple interactions of the combinations on the environment. I can only say there have been these major changes [in deaths]: it is suggested it's multiple pollution.' Pritchard's paper has been published amid growing fears about the chemical build-up in the environment. A number of studies have pointed to serious problems. TBT is being banned from marine paints after it was blamed for masculinising female molluscs, causing a dramatic decline in numbers. A US report linked neurological disorders to pesticides. And testing by WWF (formerly the World Wildlife Fund) found non-natural substances such as flame retardants in every person who took part. WWF has named chemical pollution as one of the two great environmental threats to the world, alongside global warming, and is particularly worried about 'persistent and accumulative' industrial chemicals and endocrine - hormone distorting - substances linked to changes in gender and behaviour among animals and even children. 'We've started seeing changes in fertility rates, the immune system, neurological changes [and] impacts on behaviour,' said Matthew Wilkinson, the charity's toxics programme leader. Pesticides and pharmaceutical chemicals must now undergo rigorous testing before they can be used. But there are an estimated 80,000 industrial chemicals and the 'vast majority' do not need safety regulation or testing, said Wilkinson. However, the chemical industry strongly rejects what it claims are often unproven fears. Just because chemicals are present does not mean they are at dangerous levels. But critics are not reassured. 'It is true that just because we find a chemical does not
[biofuel] Making and testing more nukes a bad idea
http://www.harktheherald.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=art iclesid=31880mode=threadorder=0thold=0 DARYL G. KIMBALL The Daily Herald, Provo Utah Monday, August 16, 2004 - 12:00 AM | DARYL G. KIMBALL Making and testing more nukes a bad idea The Daily Herald Our nation's greatest security challenge is shutting down global terrorist networks, stopping the spread of nuclear weapons and reducing the likelihood that they are someday used by other countries or terrorists. Even as President George W. Bush rightly calls upon others to foreswear nuclear weapons, he is asking Congress to approve a costly and counterproductive campaign to research new, more usable nuclear weapons designed to destroy underground, nonnuclear targets. Such weapons have no practical role in dealing with terrorist networks and their devastating power makes them inappropriate against nonnuclear targets. What's more, the development of new types of nuclear bombs could also lead to renewed testing at the Nevada Test Site. Bush administration officials say there are currently no plans to resume nuclear testing. They also claim that no decision has been made to move from the current research phase to development of new types of nuclear weapons. Though the administration may not have made a formal decision to build and test a new weapon, there is ample evidence that suggests it is preparing the way to do so. The administration wants Congress to appropriate an additional $30 million a year to reduce the time needed to resume testing to 18 months. The Bush administration continues to oppose the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty. Earlier this year, the Energy Department outlined a five-year, $500 billion spending plan for research and development of a new high-yield nuclear weapon called the Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator and it has begun research on a new nuclear weapon capable of destroying chemical and biological agents in storage. The administration also claims that these new weapons projects will only slightly complicate U.S. nuclear nonproliferation efforts. That's an understatement. The reality is that new U.S. nuclear weapons development or testing will only give former adversaries and proliferators -- such as Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Pakistan and India -- an excuse to follow suit. Thankfully, congressional Republicans and Democrats -- including Utah's delegation -- have begun to raise serious questions. The House Appropriations Committee voted to cut funding for proposed new nuclear weapons projects. In its June report, the committee said it is unconvinced by the Department of Energy's superficial assurances that it only wants to study the nuclear penetrator. Next month, the Senate appropriations committee, including Utah's Sen. Robert Bennett, will have its chance to weigh in. Bennett announced that he is introducing legislation that would reinforce Congress' role in reviewing any presidential proposal to renew underground nuclear weapons testing and to establish additional monitoring stations for possible radiological effluents. U.S. Rep. Jim Matheson has introduced similar legislation in the House. But the legislation is largely symbolic. Concerned members of Congress must take more decisive action to stop the administration well before the president proposes a resumption of testing. Proponents of the new weapons say that by enhancing earth penetrating capabilities and reducing yields of nuclear weapons, adversaries may believe than an American president might actually be willing to use nuclear weapons to take out leadership and weapons targets. But the notion that nuclear weapons can be developed to destroy targets with little collateral damage is highly misleading and dangerous. To contain the fallout of a relatively small 5 kiloton nuclear bomb, it would have to be detonated about 350 feet underground -- nearly 10 times the depth that current warheads can be made to penetrate the earth. The proposed nuclear penetrator is far larger, with a yield likely to be more than 100 kilotons. Though it would be detonated a few meters underground, this bomb would produce wide-scale fallout that would contaminate and kill civilians, as well as U.S. military personnel in the area. The bomb that destroyed Hiroshima had a blast equivalent to 13 kilotons of TNT. Even if smaller weapons were used against suspected chemical or biological weapons sites, small errors in intelligence and targeting could disperse rather than destroy deadly material. Nuclear weapons should not be seen as simply another weapon in the United States' vast arsenal. So long as nuclear weapons exist, their role should be limited to deterring the use of nuclear weapons by others. U.S. leaders must act decisively to prevent renewed nuclear blasts -- whether they are underground test explosions in Nevada or in future war in a foreign land. They can start by eliminating expensive and
[biofuel] Death rates for young children are related seasonal levels of particulate air pollution and cold temperatures
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=4076 News-Medical.Net Death rates for young children are related seasonal levels of particulate air pollution and cold temperatures Posted By: News-Medical in Child Health News Published: Sunday, 15-Aug-2004 Seasonal variations in death rates for young children are related to high levels of particulate air pollution and cold temperatures during the winter months, and to high levels of particulate pollutants and nitrogen dioxide during the summer months, according to a Spanish study in the August Journal of Occupational and Environmental Medicine, official publication of the American College of Occupational and Environmental Medicine. Led by Dr. J. Daz of Universidad Autnomo de Madrid, the researchers reviewed weather and pollution monitoring data for Madrid from 1986 through 1997. They sought to determine how these environmental factors affect death rates among children less than 10 years old. The results showed significant interactions between daily temperatures and levels of specific air pollutants. In the wintertime, child mortality rates rose a few days after cold days with high levels of particulate air pollutants (total suspended particles, or TSP). Death rates increased dramatically after cold days with temperatures less than 43¡ Fahrenheit (6¡ Celsius). In the summertime, child mortality rates rose also along with TSP levels, as well as with levels of nitrogen oxide pollutants. Most of the temperature- and pollution-related increases in death rates were limited to children between 1 and 5 years old. The effects of temperature and pollution in children differed from those in adults, based on previous studies from Madrid. For adults, death rates increased on both the warmest and coldest days, whereas temperature-related risks in children were limited to cold days. In contrast, the effects of pollution were greater in children. Child mortality rates were especially high on days with TSP levels of more than 100 micrograms per square meter, which occur mostly during the winter. Children's airways are narrower, meaning that they are exposed to a higher concentration of pollutants with each breath. Children are also more likely to be outdoors and physically active on warm summer days when pollutant levels are high. Recent years have seen exceptionally abnormal world weather patterns, including very cold winters on the east coast of North America and hot summers in Western Europe. These patterns have raised concerns about possible climate changes and their effects on human health. The study found no relationship between ozone levels high in the atmosphere-which have been linked to global warming-and child mortality rates. However, the results provide new insights into how daily environmental conditions at ground level might affect health in infants and young children. High TSP levels are a hazard to children in both the winter and summer months, while temperature is a factor mainly on cold days. The public health policies needed to reduce the health dangers of pollution in infants and young children may not be the same as for older adults or the general population, the researchers conclude. ACOEM, an international society of 6,000 occupational physicians and other healthcare professionals, provides leadership to promote optimal health and safety of workers, workplaces, and environments. http://www.lww.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] The Museum of Attempted Suicide
http://www.motherjones.com/news/update/2004/08/else.html The Museum of Attempted Suicide In these edgy times, when the possibility of nuclear war seems a thing of the past, a visit to the Nevada Test Site should be a requirement for holding public office in America. By Jon Else August 12, 2004 An enormous Mosler bank vault sits abandoned and forgotten on the dry lake bed of Frenchman Flat. It is ugly, and rusting, a big cookie jar from Hell -- yet it is in some sense America's greatest monument to hope and clear thinking. That giant safe at the Nevada Test Site is a relic of an Atomic Energy Commission experiment in 1957 (Response of Protective Vaults to Blast Loading). Filled with stocks and bonds, gold and silver, cash and insurance policies, it confirmed that our official valuables, contracts and financial instruments, could survive nuclear war. The test must have seemed like a good idea at the time, a masterpiece of steel-and-concrete realpolitik. After all, safes had tested well -- quite by accident -- at Hiroshima in 1945, when four Mosler vaults in the basement of the Teikoku Bank near Ground Zero were discovered in the ruins with their contents miraculously intact. In fact, American troops entering Hiroshima some weeks after the bombing, reported hundreds of small safes resting in the city's ashes. Today at the Nevada Site all that remains of the vault's reinforced concrete bank building, itself specially constructed for the test, are a few shards of blasted concrete and a tangle of rusting, arm-thick steel reinforcing rod, swept back like so many cat's whiskers in the wind. Just before dawn on June 24 1957, a 37-kiloton fission bomb, code-named Priscilla, was suspended from a helium balloon about half a mile from where the big safe stands. In the path of Priscilla's shock wave the Atomic Energy Commission had built its own tiny twentieth century city. Priscilla rocked that mini-civilization in southern Nevada with twice the explosive force of the bomb that leveled Hiroshima. Its flash -- far brighter than the sun -- was reflected back off the moon, and soldiers covering their eyes in trenches two miles away claim they were able to see the bones in their hands. Domed shelters of 2-inch thick aluminum alloy were flattened like so many soda pop cans stamped flat on a job site. The shock wave hammered reinforced concrete shelters, industrial buildings, cars in an underground parking garage, community shelters, a railroad trestle, a 55-ton diesel locomotive, parked airplanes, dummies in Russian and Chinese protective clothing, and a man-made pine forest rooted in concrete on the desert floor. Anesthetized Cheshire pigs in little protective suits were roasted alive in Priscilla's thermal pulse. We'll never know for sure but Priscilla's heat, like that of the Hiroshima bomb, must have instantly incinerated unsuspecting ravens in mid-flight. Later that morning, the fallout cloud drifted eastward, where in the months to come it mingled with residual radioactive products from other atmospheric tests and eventually dispersed around the globe. Today, anyone in the world born after 1957 carries in his or her bones at least a few atoms of Strontium-90 fallout from Priscilla. In 1957, at about the moment that human self-extinction first became possible, many policy-makers already believed all-out nuclear war with the Soviets to be an inevitability. In fact, some of those planning the Priscilla shot, and assumedly curious to discover whether our stock and insurance certificates could survive it, must have known that full-scale nuclear war could theoretically end all life on earth. That year, hardly a decade after the atomic bomb had been but an exotic laboratory device, it was already a commodity; Priscilla was just one of 6,744 nuclear weapons in the U.S. stockpile. (The Soviets had 660.) Here at Frenchman Flat we rehearsed our failed attempt at global suicide. It would have been a grand, charismatic gesture, spectacular pornography -- the human species going out with a great bang, nothing dreary and plodding like AIDS or global climate change. It would have been visible throughout the solar system; and as Priscilla did indeed show, our valuables, safely locked away, would indeed have survived us. The Nevada Test Site, a particularly desolate thousand square miles of the Great Basin, was chosen in 1951 for our nuclear tests partly because it's ringed by low mountains, naturally shielded from the prying eyes of the outside world. Today, if you stand amid the charmless wreckage at Frenchman Flat, another thing is clear: It is also impossible to see out of the basin; the place is disconnected from the rest of Nevada, from America, from civilization itself. It is a lifeless, humorless, Planet of the Apes location. These could have been the ruins of a future we stopped in its tracks -- the ruins of Las Vegas, Vienna, or Tokyo, your town
Re: [biofuel] Chemistry of washing
Ken Provost wrote: on 8/18/04 5:42 AM, Teoman Naskali at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I wash my test batch, it creates a vaccum in the container it is washed in. Obviously some kind of chemical reaction takes place. What could it be? And what does it absorb from the air??? Interesting -- I've never noticed that. My guess is that methanol is vaporizing out of the unwashed fuel before you seal the container, displacing air out of the headspace, and then dissolving in the wash water after the container is sealed. Nothing in the air would be taken up by the fuel quickly enough to explain it (O2 reacting with double bonds in unsaturated fatty acid chains would take days, for example). -K Perhaps the air above the biodiesel is warm at first and cools after washing, contracting and creating a vacuum. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Chemistry of washing
Perhaps your test batch was warm or even hot when sealed in the washer and cooled while being washed, thereby creating a vacuum? Ray --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken Provost wrote: on 8/18/04 5:42 AM, Teoman Naskali at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I wash my test batch, it creates a vaccum in the container it is washed in. Obviously some kind of chemical reaction takes place. What could it be? And what does it absorb from the air??? Interesting -- I've never noticed that. My guess is that methanol is vaporizing out of the unwashed fuel before you seal the container, displacing air out of the headspace, and then dissolving in the wash water after the container is sealed. Nothing in the air would be taken up by the fuel quickly enough to explain it (O2 reacting with double bonds in unsaturated fatty acid chains would take days, for example). -K Perhaps the air above the biodiesel is warm at first and cools after washing, contracting and creating a vacuum. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] NOX and catalytic converter use
Can NOX emission increases from the use of biodiesel be successfully dealt with (at least brought back down to baseline) using a catalytic converter (in the event a vehicle uses sulfur free b100 only) ? If so, how does one size/choose the correct CC for the vehicle, or is there anything to consider other than pipe sizing? ..and what about selection of particulate traps (again for b100 usage). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Chemistry of washing
Teoman, There is not necessarily any reaction taking place in your wash. Any sealed vessel creates a slight vacuum when it cools. Ask yourself if what your experiencing is nothing more than that. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Teoman Naskali [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:42 AM Subject: [biofuel] Chemistry of washing When I wash my test batch, it creates a vaccum in the container it is washed in. Obviously some kind of chemical reaction takes place. What could it be? And what does it absorb from the air??? I don't think it is the Co2 or the O2, could it be the N2?? Please enlighten me, or have I bungled it up yet again. Teoman Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
