[Biofuel] good reading
Here is a good reading piece if your wondering about why it's pretty much a waste to try to get those "Cheap" running junkers working and focus on new tech engines. This tech is what the "Big fuel" petro industrial fuel suppliers will get the gov to back instead of bio-fuel, keeping themselves in the loop http://www.boschusa.com/dieselvoice.pdf __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] help me
use ethanol instead see the journey to foever webpage for more info on ethanol dan hentea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:hy. My name is Dan and i`m from Bucharest, Romania -that explains my bad english. I have a very big problem. I like the idea with biodiesel, i get all the stuff and ingredients that i need, but i can`t get methanol. Why? Because here in Romania took place some accidents caused by bad handleing and storeing of methanol. After this accidents the authoryties are asking a lot of lycences to buy metthanol. Can you help me with a substitute for methanol, or with a way of makeing my own methanol? thank you very much. ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Tealeaf MagazineA Different View on Life, Work, & Play www.josephputzer.com - Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
Hello, You said in your email below: "I fear we may be heading in the same direction as pre WWII Germany" We ARE ALREADY down that path. And it involves far more than Bush. It's about American world domination for which Bush is just a current advocate. --ME --- Jennifer Doty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Amen! > > > > Hi Allan, > > > > > > Not so long ago, people around the world were > concerned about the spread > > > of Communism. We looked to Moscow and hoped the > next Russian leader > would > > > be a moderate, not one of the old-guard > intelligence community > > > hard-liners, prone to de-stabilizing and > invading strategic territory > > > abroad, while cracking down on personal freedoms > at home. > > > > > Substitute "American Imperialism" for "Communism" > and "Washington" for > > "Moscow" and you then have the real reason for > defeating Bush. > Hard-liners > > on either end of the spectrum are bad for the > country they are in as well > as > > the rest of the world, and Bush is a perfect > example of American > hard-liners > > at their worst. As someone who truly is a > centrist, I can not see how > > anyone who would support the current regime could > call themselves anything > > but a right wing extremist, if they have any clue > of what's really going > on. > > Of course, those who rely on Fox News for all of > their information are > > simply misinformed, but there is enough evidence > of reality out there for > > even them to know that they are choosing to remain > that way. Just my > $.02. > > > > Brian > > > > It is so sad that people choose to remain ignorant, > and call it patriotism. > I fear we may be heading in the same direction as > pre WWII Germany - JRD > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
james - Original Message - From: "Jennifer Doty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Amen! > Hi Allan, > > Not so long ago, people around the world were concerned about the > spread > of Communism. We looked to Moscow and hoped the next Russian leader would > be a moderate, not one of the old-guard intelligence community > hard-liners, prone to de-stabilizing and invading strategic territory > abroad, while cracking down on personal freedoms at home. > Substitute "American Imperialism" for "Communism" and "Washington" for "Moscow" and you then have the real reason for defeating Bush. Hard-liners on either end of the spectrum are bad for the country they are in as well as the rest of the world, and Bush is a perfect example of American hard-liners at their worst. As someone who truly is a centrist, I can not see how anyone who would support the current regime could call themselves anything but a right wing extremist, if they have any clue of what's really going on. Of course, those who rely on Fox News for all of their information are simply misinformed, but there is enough evidence of reality out there for even them to know that they are choosing to remain that way. Just my $.02. Brian It is so sad that people choose to remain ignorant, and call it patriotism. I fear we may be heading in the same direction as pre WWII Germany - JRD ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] help me
Can you help me with a substitute for methanol, or with a way of makeing my own methanol? thank you very much. Hi Dan, Our host Keith has information on ethanol biodiesel: http://www.journeytoforever.org/ethanol_link.html#ethylester the short of it, quite doable, if your alcohol is 99%, and you are careful. The authors repeatedly state that it's better to have done—and be comfortable with—the methyl ester process first. lots of additional resources on drying ethanol: http://www.journeytoforever.org/ethanol_link.html#anhydrous Why not try to get approval for methanol? You will be using relatively small quantities as you learn. It might not be hard to get a permit for small amounts. good luck, andres ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Rabbits ( was - Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate )
- Original Message - From: "Kim & Garth Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 06:28 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate > > Yes, I do raise rabbits. I am curious, why do you ask? I also have > chickens, pigs, goats, sheep beef and milk cows and gardens. > The reason I asked if you raised rabbits, is that I'm just starting, and was hoping that you might have some advise, with them.I have looked all over the net, and almost everything I see, seems to contradict everything else I see, like for breeding, I have seen, " Put the doe in with the buck, overnight ", " Put the doe in for half an hour, then pull her out, and repeat an hour later ", " Put the doe in for the day, put her back, in her cage over night, then back in with the buck for the next day ", or even " Put the doe in for a day, then pull her out and then do it again a week later " - you see what I mean? I have a nice NZW doe that is reputed to have an average litter size of 12 ( ranging from 10 to 14 ) and has raised all youngsters of all litters, I also have a nice Flemish Giant buck, with a good body and a great coat, " Steel " in color. Does anyone else on the list raise/breed rabbits? Greg H. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Problems with List
Well kids, It's been nice knowing you, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to unsubscribe. I'm really unhappy with the new format of this list. The so-called "daily digest" comes in about 10 e-mails a day, with topics in one attachment, and EVERY SINGLE OTHER MESSAGE in a separate attachment. This just isn't right. There aren't any attachments. It's a completely normal, common-or-garden Daily Digest. The only thing about it that might be special is that it comes in separate sections, of less than 30 kb each. Those are the default settings and we left it like that because it's probably more convenient to most people than one very long message, as it sometimes would be. However, each segment is self-contained, with "Today's Topics" listed at the top, as usual, with numbers, and each message following in full below, in sequence, according to the numbers. Each segment is also numbered very clearly, so there's no confusion. unsubscribe. I'm really unhappy with the new format of this list. The so-called "daily digest" comes in about 10 e-mails a day, with topics in one attachment, and EVERY SINGLE OTHER MESSAGE in a separate attachment. I don't know which list you're on, but it can't be this one. So what is the point of getting a daily digest? Apparently I don't understand what the problem was with Yahoo groups, which were infinitely more to my satisfaction. Yahell? :-) To each his/her own I guess. We had very good reason for leaving Yahoo and I said what they were, apart from the fact that list members have been complaining about Yahoo for three years. I receive an overwhelming enough amount of e-mail every day (upwards of 200), so having a list that can't satisfy a simple request is more than I can handle. That's not very overwhleming. Do you use message filters and separate mailboxes? All that said, however, I'll change the settings so the Daily Digest segments are less than 60kb, 30kb is probably a bit small, some messages are longer than that sometimes. The Digests will still be self-contained though, never fear, not with the topic list in one and separate messages all over the place. Best Keith Have fun. Capra ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re[2]: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
Hallo Kim, Wednesday, 15 September, 2004, 08:28:57, you wrote: KGT> My DH will be on vacation next week, ...snip... I have seen the initials "DH" used on this and other lists. Around here calling someone a "DH" is not meant to be either flattering or endearing so I am guessing that it does not mean the same thing when used online. Would you please enlighten me? :o) Thank you kindly. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Kerry and Bush Respond to Science Questionnaire
KERRY AND BUSH RESPOND TO SCIENCE QUESTIONNAIRE The journal Nature this week published responses from the Bush and Kerry campaigns to a questionnaire on topics such as stem-cell research, global warming, and nuclear weapons. Read their responses: http://dsc.discovery.com/news/afp/20040913/bushkerry.html Bush and Kerry differ sharply on the matter of whether humans are causing global warming. Excerpts: Bush: "In 2001, I asked the National Academy of Sciences to provide the most up-to-date information about the science of climate change. It found that considerable uncertainty remains about the effect of natural fluctuations on climate and the future impacts climate change will have on our natural environment." Kerry: "The scientific evidence is clear that global warming is already happening and rising levels of global warming pollution are making the problem worse." The 2001 National Academy of Sciences report President Bush references can be found at: http://books.nap.edu/html/climatechange/ The summary of the report opens with these sentences: "Greenhouse gases are accumulating in Earth's atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to rise. Temperatures are, in fact, rising. The changes observed over the last several decades are likely mostly due to human activities, but we cannot rule out that some significant part of these changes is also a reflection of natural variability." Additional global warming facts and web links: http://www.ems.org/climate/facts.html ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ EMS listservs provide news tips and resources for journalists. You received this email because you signed up at our website, http://ems.org. Please forward this email to your colleagues. You are currently subscribed as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from all EMS listservs: Send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe or change your preferences: Please visit http://www.ems.org/updates.html ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
Pardon my intrusion, but has anyone mentioned earthship construction? This, as you must know, is the burying and filling of recycled tires as the structural medium, which is then stucco'd within, and capped with cement? Works great in Ontario, where we have hills to burrow into. Maybe not so swell in Texas flatlands. Jesse > From: Kim & Garth Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:22:54 -0500 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate > > Greetings Todd, > > Actually paper adobe stands up real well, especially if it is stuccoed. My > humidity is worse in the winter, since that is when we get liquid sunshine. > I am looking into rice husk ash as a way to make the paper adobe > more fire proof and perhaps help it withstand the weather better. Bales > must be paid for, hauled in by truck and are a 2 man job to stack. Paper > adobe uses my heavy clay and waste paper of which lots is available > locally. Paper adobe is a one man job, so I can work on it while my DH is > at work. Also, the paper adobe is much lighter requiring a less > substantial foundation for the building. > > Each climate has it's own demands, what works well in one place is not the > correct solution for everywhere. If we search, we can find a solution that > will work for our own climate that is good for Mother Earth as well, if we > are lucky enough that the government does not interfere. By the way, I > have left paper adobe out in the winter in the rain and had it survive with > only about 20% disintegration, not bad for dirt and paper. > > The big problem with traditional construction is termites. Either I would > have to put the building up on posts about 3 feet off the ground or do > chemical termite treatments. It is very difficult to build up in the air > and have the building with stand the storms we get. I am tearing down a > traditional construction built this way due to storm damage. Winds of 100 > mph gusting to 130 mph are not unusual here. The buildings wind up being > so tall, since 10 foot ceilings are a real benefit with our heat, that it > is scary working on the upper walls and roof. We do not use a work crew, I > do most of the building myself. > > Bright Blessings, > Kim > > At 07:28 AM 9/14/2004, you wrote: >> Ya' know Kim, >> >> You could put the matter to test quite simply. Build a six bale yard bench >> and wait and see. >> >> Construction in winter might also address the humidity issue in the presence >> of open bales. >> >> If all else fails, there's still conventional thick-wall or >> dual-wallconstruction, high R insullation and radiant barriers. >> >> Todd Swearingen >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Kim & Garth Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:39 AM >> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate >> >> >>> Greetings Doug, >>> >>> Actually, unless you are rich and can afford a large construction crew, >>> your bales are going to get wet during construction, so knowing how they >>> will react is important. A water proof covering that does not breath will >>> rot bales faster than leaving them outside due to condensation. There is >>> no way in an extremely humid climate to get real dry bales, they are going >>> to have a fairly high humidity. Seal them in and let the weather happen, >>> and temperature dropping 40degrees F in 10 minutes are not unusual as a >>> blue northern blows in, and you have a major condensation problem in your >>> wall. Considering that I have watched fire ants eat through concrete, I >> do >>> not believe that it is possible to seal the critters out of any wall, >>> eventually they will be in your bale wall. >>> >>> I make it a habit to test materials in the harshest kind of tests before I >>> build with them. I want to know how much damage the weather can do to >>> them. I have been hit once already by a tornado, winds of 130 mph have >>> happened more than once. Buildings do get damaged in storms, it takes >> time >>> to repair the damage, especially since the living must be cared for >>> first. If the trees and plants need attention or if the shelters for the >>> animals need attention, that must be done before the house. >>> >>> In an ideal world you may be able to keep your bales perfect, but I don't >>> live there. >>> >>> Bright Blessings, >>> Kim >>> >>> At 04:24 PM 9/12/2004, you wrote: But straw bale building relies on the straw being encased in a water/vermin-proof wrap. Leaving a bale outside I think, is not a valid >> test. regards Doug >>> >>> ___ >>> Biofuel mailing list >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel >>> >>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >>> >>> Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (sea
RE: [Biofuel] WVO Gen-Set
From: "Keith Denson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] WVO Gen-Set Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:25:27 +0100 Hello All, any information regarding buying,converting and running a generator on WVO Would be greatly appreciated. Regards Keith Denson. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee¨ Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government Agendas -was: Kerry preferredaroundWorld - Poll
> We here in upstate NY are heavy corn producers, but nobody told us we were > supposed to irrigate. Must be the 40" of annual precipitation, of which > 35" > is snow ;-) Regarding heavy production-> Heh, heh, but it depends on what the corn (maize) is grown for... Excerpt for year 2003: "New York produces a variety of field crops largely in support of itâs dairy industry. Corn, oats and wheat are most widely grown with soybeans steadily increasing importance. New York ranks 2nd in corn silage, valued at $252 million. Production of grain corn ranked 21st with a value of $149 million." The above was gleaned from: http://www.nass.usda.gov/ny/ Regarding irrigation-> Eastern Nebraska gets adequate rainfall without irrigation. The irrigation interest occurred when small grain farmers west of of the minimum rainfall region realized they could get excellent corn crops by irrigating. More on corn market and where the corn is grown-> I had a sparring match with a gentleman on another energy list about 'corn for ethanol' as a waste of resources. He quoted that he was a corn farmer in the state of Maryland and thus he had legitimacy. I asked him: 1) Besides corn, what other products does his family farm produce? 2) What was the corn grown for (human use (sweet corn), livestock silage and/or grain)? 3) If he did grow corn for grain, was it fed on the farm, sold to a local elevator, and/or sold for export (Port of Baltimore was close by)? For question 1, he had a share in a family dairy farm. He refused to answer questions 2 and 3. The midwest cornbelt states don't receive as good a price for export since they have extra transportation costs getting the crop to a 'salty' (ocean going ship). The poultry farms in the southern states have picked up a lot of inventory that originally went overseas (former Soviet Union, circa 1972 and after). Note: A midwestern farmer having a share in a locally owned ethanol plant helps with the value addition to his/her production. Remember, when one hears that the grain farmers are having a happy day with high grain prices, the livestock farmers/ranchers are madder than a wet hen because their feed costs are high. What may be good for one farmer can have an opposite effect on another farmer. You probably already know this, so I'll just throw it out for the city slickers on the list. 8~) Ron B. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
I have just discovered that there is a group dedicated to solar ac and refrigeration on yahell. It is called solar ac and has about 2000 messages in its archives. I have only read the first 25, but it is definitely a hands on orientation. Just thought I would share. Bright Blessings, Kim Hi Kim Do you know the list url? Thanks Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Slogan
It was discussed before (but please don't let that deter you!). It's here, in the archives, replies in the links above the message: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/33001/1 I think it was discussed before that too, but perhaps in another context, a quick search didn't turn it up. I was thinking of some new slogans the other day. How does Stop our dependence on prehistoric plant matter: Use earth friendly fuels like biodiesel sound to the group. I thought of this after reading a blog in the discover magazine. "Stop our dependence on prehistoric plant matter: Use earth friendly fuels like biodiesel." It's too long, the words are too long. Sorry to say that, but that's the sad way it works. Go for a sound-byte, anything that demands a pause to consider or reflect won't work. This is what the excellent Misha said about it at SANET once (Sustainable Agriculture Network Discussion Group): "PR and advertising are about encapsulating idiotically simple messages in sugared niblets that wedge themselves in your brain like prions." :-) Go for a prionic sugared niblet. Use Anglo-Saxon words, not Latin or Greek derived, no prefixes or suffixes. It's not easy, simplicity is no simple matter. I find 196,000 lbs of prehistoric plant matter yields 13 lbs of crude oil yields 6.2 lbs of gas, or one gallon very sobering. btw, After heating up my biodiesel and after it cooled down, it didn't get cloudy anymore. I think that I had homogenized some air in it and heating it up release the trapped air. Moisture. It'll clear in time, especially if you leave it in the sun. Or heat it to 45 deg C (113 deg F), and let it cool, do it twice if necessary. Heating it evaporates it off rather than settles it, so let it vent when it cools. Best Keith Jeff http://www.discover.com/issues/apr-04/rd/discover-data/ Discover Data: What's in a Gallon of Gas? By Susan Kruglinski DISCOVER Vol. 25 No. 04 | April 2004 | Environment What's in a Gallon of Gas? Everyone knows fossil fuels come from long-dead plants, but Jeffrey Dukes wanted real numbers: How much plant matter does it take to make a gallon of gasoline? Dukes, a biologist, ecologist, and dabbler in biogeochemistry at the University of Massachusetts, discovered that such statistics are hard to find. So he decided to figure them out for himself and was surprised by the answers. A gallon of gas represents roughly 100 tons of plant matter, the amount that exists in 40 acres of wheat. Burning that gallon puts 20 pounds of carbon dioxide into the air. The annual consumption of gasoline in the United States, about 131 billion gallons of gas, is equivalent to 25 quadrillion pounds of prehistoric biomass and releases some 2.6 trillion pounds of carbon dioxide. The numbers are even more sobering when you consider all the fossil fuels-coal, natural gas, and oil-that people consume. Since 1751, roughly the start of the Industrial Revolution, humans have burned the amount of fossil fuel that would have come from all the plants on Earth for 13,300 years. "We know that fossil-fuel use is not sustainable in the long run," Dukes says. "This study will, I hope, encourage people to face up to the energy problem now." ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
I have just discovered that there is a group dedicated to solar ac and refrigeration on yahell. It is called solar ac and has about 2000 messages in its archives. I have only read the first 25, but it is definitely a hands on orientation. Just thought I would share. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [biofuel] Question - efficiency of sunlight conversion
A fuel cell is a "battery". Where lead acid batteries require electricity to charge them, fuel cells require a fuel to "charge" them. Now, let's say you have 100 kWh of electric from a generator, and you charge a battery bank, that is more efficient than taking the same 100 kWh, electrolysing water into hydrogen, pressurizing a tank, to feed a fuel cell. This is why hydrogen is not commercially made by electrolysis, but from natural gas, a fossil fuel. Fuel cells can not exceed the efficiency of biofuels, becuase they are not a fuel, just part of a storage "battery". So the statement should read "Fuels cells can theoreticaly deliver greater whole-sysle efficiency than batteries". The only way a fuel cell can compete with a biofueled internal combustion engine is when the fuel cell is fueled with a biofuel. www.green-trust.org = = = Original message = = = As an aside, I am puzzled as to why there is so much emphasis being placed on the "Hydrogen Economy" at the moment, especially by the US government. Hydogen is just a way of storing and transporting energy, just as are biofuels. OK, I realise that fuel cells can theoretically deliver a greater whole-cycle efficiency than biofuels, but it seems to me that a lot of money is being spent on something that probably won't give us a cost-effective solution for at least 20 years - given that there are still a large number of technical hurdles without totally satisfactory solutions. On the other hand, biofuel technology is pretty mature - most of it is at least 100 years old - and is available now. Biofuels could be used on a very wide scale without making any major changes to the infrastructure, such as the supply chain. While it does make sense to fund research into technology that one day may be even better, it seems that this is a poor excuse for not promoting technologies that can provide real benefits today. I do sometimes wonder whether it's more about 'image' - in other words, talking about Hydrogen is trendy, in a way that for example biodiesel is not. Donald --- Darryl McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Donald (and all), I certainly don't have all the answers (maybe > none), but it is a > complex topic, and I can certainly muddy the waters a bit more. > Comments inserted > below. > > Donald Allwright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have a question that some of you might be able to shed some light > on. > > > > As well as having an interest in biofuels, I also have an interest > in > > Third World development issues and other technologies, including > Solar > > energy collection and storage. So when trying to find an 'energy > > solution' for a remote village for example, there are a number of > > possible options. Of course, you have to ask, "what problem are you > > looking to find a solution for?" For the purposes of this post, I > will > > assume that we are trying to provide electricity to power > > refrigerators, lighting, miscellaneous equipment such as telephones > and > > computers (even remote villages can have satellite connections to > the > > internet these days!). This would be a light load and not include > > industrial use nor electrical heating/cooking. > > Let's think about the loads a bit, particularly refrigeration. In > this case, we > don't really need to store electricity, but "coolth". So one > approach would be to > develop a solar-powered icebox. Have the PV panels run a > conventional > refrigeration unit when the sun is shining to make ice in the top of > the "icebox". > A sensor can control a fan to pull air through the ice into the > refrigerator when > required to maintain temperature. Some electricity is still required > for the fan > (the sensor could be a simple bimetallic switch), but much less than > for the > compressor, so that would reduce electrical storage requirements > significantly. > > > > So I will propose two solutions, both of which are used in various > > places: > > > > 1) Grow an oil crop, use it to power a diesel generator > > 2) Install photovoltaic solar panels and use a battery system to > store > > the energy overnight > > > > Now I'm trying to get an understanding of the pros and cons of > these > > two approaches, and which would be better for a particular > location. > > The issues I have thought of so far are the following: > > -- > > Photovoltaics and batteries are expensive in terms of capital > outlay, > > whereas biofuels are cheap to 'install'. > > > > Photovoltaic systems have a conversion efficiency of ~10% of the > solar > > energy, whereas biofuels have a conversion efficiency of about 1% > > > > Photovoltaic systems require more specialist knowledge to maintain, > > whereas biofuels require less. > > > > Photovoltaics require low labour input once they are installed, > whereas > > biofuels require planting, harvesting, processing etc.. > > > > Photovoltaic systems can store only small amounts of energy over > short > > timescales, wherea
Re: [Biofuel] WVO Gen-Set
Quoting Keith Denson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hello All, >any information regarding buying,converting and running a > generator on WVO >Would be greatly appreciated. > Regards > Keith Denson. Hi Keith, I have two small diesel engines that we are going to use to drive DC alternators to back up our solar system. We run our cars on bio that we make ourselves from used cooking oil and our small diesels will be on it too. Straight veggie oil will work, but I recommend you run some bio through your engines now and then to clean the "coking" off of the injectors that will come from running straight oil, ESPECIALLY if they are under light load. GO FOR IT!!! Take Care Kitch in Az. - FastQ Communications Providing Innovative Internet Solutions Since 1993 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Slogan
I was thinking of some new slogans the other day. How does Stop our dependence on prehistoric plant matter: Use earth friendly fuels like biodiesel sound to the group. I thought of this after reading a blog in the discover magazine. I find 196,000 lbs of prehistoric plant matter yields 13 lbs of crude oil yields 6.2 lbs of gas, or one gallon very sobering. btw, After heating up my biodiesel and after it cooled down, it didn't get cloudy anymore. I think that I had homogenized some air in it and heating it up release the trapped air. Jeff http://www.discover.com/issues/apr-04/rd/discover-data/ Discover Data: What's in a Gallon of Gas? By Susan Kruglinski DISCOVER Vol. 25 No. 04 | April 2004 | Environment What's in a Gallon of Gas? Everyone knows fossil fuels come from long-dead plants, but Jeffrey Dukes wanted real numbers: How much plant matter does it take to make a gallon of gasoline? Dukes, a biologist, ecologist, and dabbler in biogeochemistry at the University of Massachusetts, discovered that such statistics are hard to find. So he decided to figure them out for himself and was surprised by the answers. A gallon of gas represents roughly 100 tons of plant matter, the amount that exists in 40 acres of wheat. Burning that gallon puts 20 pounds of carbon dioxide into the air. The annual consumption of gasoline in the United States, about 131 billion gallons of gas, is equivalent to 25 quadrillion pounds of prehistoric biomass and releases some 2.6 trillion pounds of carbon dioxide. The numbers are even more sobering when you consider all the fossil fuels-coal, natural gas, and oil-that people consume. Since 1751, roughly the start of the Industrial Revolution, humans have burned the amount of fossil fuel that would have come from all the plants on Earth for 13,300 years. "We know that fossil-fuel use is not sustainable in the long run," Dukes says. "This study will, I hope, encourage people to face up to the energy problem now." ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel ZZZZ
hello,,, is the biofuekl,,, is Midori-san origianaatorr of biofuel list,? not any of my busisnesss,,, just curious, Midori checked out the best service (OneList at the time) and launched the list, then transferred the List ownership to me and got on with other things. That was, when, 23 March 2000, just before we left Hong Kong. She launched the Japanese Biofuel list a year ago. We'd started holding biodiesel (and other) seminars here and elsewhere a few months earlier, and they got very popular, we hold them all over Japan now, and people come from all over Japan when we hold them here. Midori started the list mainly for people who'd attended the seminars, but now it's much broader than that. If you search Google Japan for biodiesel the Journey to Forever Japanese website is the #1 find, and of course there are details on the list at the website. We started the Biofuel list with the hope that it could be used for online, collaborative appropriate technology development of small-scale biofuels equipment and techniques, "open source" as it were. I don't think anybody had really attempted this before, outside of software. The lists at CREST I suppose - gasification, woodstoves, biogas and so on. It's worked really well - we started off with a big checklist, and we've crossed off just about everything now, and learned a very great deal besides. I think the main thing that's left is easy and reliable ethyl esters. There are still a couple of approaches to that which haven't been explored. We've been trying to get that far for ages, and still haven't. We will though, this winter, but there's a queue, some other things to do first. If it really doesn't work, that's fine too, as long as we have an answer one way or the other, and Ken Provost's excellent work on ethyl esters ha made it doable. There's also backyard-level methanol from biomass, which Walt Patrick is working on, but we haven't heard from him for awhile. Those two issues aside, we've all come a very long way! Japan, as ever, was different. For a start there's some downright strange politics concerning diesels, and especially concerning the fossil-fuels lobby. Biodiesel was just about nowhere here. There were a few companies involved in it, but I'd say not in a useful way. They sell these ridiculous processors, which cost anything from equiv. US$70,000 to $150,000 or more, produce a meagre 100 litres a day, can't handle much worse than virgin oil, and mostly produce a poor-quality product. They're all very secretive about their "process", claiming this and that for it. Ho-hum. Nothing new. So the idea people had here about biodiesel, if any, was that you had to buy these machines. We seem to have turned that around with the idea that anybody can make their own high-quality fuel, that it's the process that's important, not the processor, and that you can easily build a good processor for a few thousand yen or less. It's not just an idea, it's very easily demonstrated. More and more people here are working on this now, ordinary people, some interesting groups, and some interesting companies, with some interesting results. They're still feeling their way, but they won't let it go now. These are very capable people, as we all know. We'll see what comes of it. Japan also has some very interesting ways of making ethanol, and there's increasing interest here in fuel ethanol. And hence in ethyl esters? We'll see. ii was in and out off Jaapnan in the late 60xs, early 70ss,yokosuka and sasebo, and some the small village aroumnd, from viet nam i loved the countray and the people, when i had the time i love to go to some the small ;vifissisng villaages, and if i oculd wrangel my way onto a boat, i woluld pull nets for a day just to learn more about the poeeple or to a farming villagee, i love thee little intense farms , hundredd yards square with barely enough room to put their feet,, i was clumsy, my big western gaijin feet,, actually i wanst that bad, i ussed to walk the railroaad trackss when i was a kid, baut the one time i did fa, that i remember, i coughtt myself with my hand but stuuck my finderss into a perfect radish bedd, he said it wasss nothisng, but i was p mortiffied,,i was fascinatedd by the workmanshsip in the boatss and the housesss, i thot the youg girls dellicate, bueautifell and way to pretty to tray to talk to,,, and i love the children, they would try to teach me thei games, and i minne to them,, they would plactice their engrish on me and i my japanense on them, with lots of laughing and giggling with little had over mouths,i alwasy hated to go and ii believe they didnt like my leaviing either,,,buck Ah, Buck, you remember the things that haven't changed, though so much else has, and I guess they never will change. You were very enterprising! Well done. I'll give the place your love, eh? Best wishes Keith From: Keith Addis
RE: [Biofuel] Changing Government Agendasl
califthat is a natural for cattail, it already has hundreds of acress of cattail growing, and i beliverr the land belongs to the city or countty, that would be inyuo inyo county calif,, much of it seems to be shallow ponds withh roads crisscrosssed throusout,, i thinkkk the state or county would let someone in there for commercial productions to provide source of work for locsals,, it is along side the bigg pine?? river,,,the weathe is suckh that production could be year round, From: "Peggy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Biofuel] Changing Government Agendasl Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:45:02 -0500 Hello Ron, Thank you for the informative summary and the links > I find it interesting that a number of states such as Minnesota, > Iowa, Wisconsin, North & South Dakota, California, Nebraska to > name few around the USA have introduced alternative biofuel > such as ethanol into not only the government transportation mix > but also to the public which may have had something to do with > public opinion or was there some other reasons for it. There is another news source from BBI which headlines each new E85 pump that opens for the public and that number grows weekly. Also the new cars for 2005 will feature many ethanol compatible models from economy models to luxury vehicles and work trucks. And you are correct; government is a major factor in helping a multimillion dollar facility become profitable. However, at the last International Fuel Ethanol Workshop, the statistics showed that if we continue to rely on corn as a mainstay for fuel ethanol, we will not satisfy the fuel additive potential much less change to a primarily biofuel/ethanol alternative. And so the government is now pouring hundreds of thousands of dollars into things like hull-less barley--a few years back it was sweet potatoes. The real innovation comes with cellulosic processing. This is and will remain the way of the future. Researchers have been working toward advanced yeast propagation and now the emphasis is on enzyme variation. The point is that it is possible to use any and all cellulose-based biomass as a fuel ethanol feedstock. RIGHT NOW! We do not have to follow the previous expensive processing methods of changing a food (corn) into ethanol via a beverage quality technology. The processing can be altered to produce ethanol faster and less expensively, by smaller groups, for local fuel use and also produce an excess to network into sales cooperatives--right where you live--anywhere USA that has biomass growth potential. I think I already mentioned that a neighbor made one gallon of ethanol from five cactus leaf pads. Do you know that that means? It means that land growth potential just doubled. Our next fuel ethanol start-up will be wood-chip and waste based. We plan on over a million gallons a year. This is a small, community-based coalition. Another facility we are helping in South Texas will only produce 30,000 gallons a year in the beginning and it will be done less expensively than the major producers. When you read that the farmers own the ethanol coops, you must realize that agribusiness caters to the industrial "farmer" more than the rural farmer with several hundred acres. There are crops that can produce more ethanol per acre with multiple annual harvests, and not require the expense associated with growing corn. My associate's research on cattail rhizomes proved a capacity of over 1000 gallons per acre from the roots alone. Now our new processing technology will give an even higher yield. Without the sale of the "cake"--wet or dry and other byproducts, the profits for corn ethanol production would not be good enough to be competitive. Also, without the government subsidies, tax breaks, and other incentives, it could not compete as an alternative fuel. This must change. And it can. And it will... as soon as small, rural economic development takes hold and cooperatives process biofuels through cellulosic breakdown. When coalitions from grassroots locations form small coops to take care of their own fuel needs, it will be a start. It doesn't require a minimum of four and a half million dollars to start an ethanol production plant like industry and government want us to believe. If you would like to discuss this off list or if you are truly interested in setting up a coalition in the United States, we can help. Each individual site is different. The concept could also work in foreign countries, but I'm not familiar with the land ownership, politics, and restrictions from other places, so I can't speak about other countries. Have you seen http://www.alcohol4fuel.com/id36.html? Robert details an easy way to begin real independence with links to another thousand pages of information. Robert is one of our company founders. There is a whole lot more in innovation coming very soon--with or
Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
If you want energy free threre's sun drying and brine, but I don't think I'd like a diet of jerky, salt port, pickles, saurkraut and pemican. Some technology and energy use is good. Refrigeration has prevented thousands of deaths by food borne pathogens. Ken --- Kim & Garth Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have, but if possible I would like to build a > natural system that does > not require energy. They had to store food here > before electricity, all I > need to find out is how. > Bright Blessings, > Kim > > > At 09:41 AM 9/9/2004, you wrote: > >Have you considered gas fired refrigerators? They > are a bit pricey, but > >work great, the technology is well developed and, > if the refrigerants are > >handled properly, environmentally sound. A search > on 'Servel', 'RV > >Refrigerator' or 'absorption refrigeration' may be > useful. > > > > > >Kim & Garth Travis said: > > > Greetings, > > > [Please note I never say 'hello'] > > > > > > First I would like to thank the committee for > finding a new home for > > > biofuels. If someone would be kind enough to > share the information on how > > > this list is set up, I would love to move my > lists to elsewhere, too. > > > > > > I have been doing a great deal of research since > my post much earlier this > > > summer about how to preserve the harvest. I > have discovered lacto > > > fermented vegetables which are quite wonderful. > The problem is now that > > > instead of needing a bunch of freezers, I need a > bunch of > > > refrigerators.I have also acquire a Jersey > cow name Carol, so I now > > > make cheese that needs to be aged. The long > term storage temperature > > > needs > > > to be below 50F. For corning beef and other > things I need below 40F but > > > above 32F [0 C]. > > > > > > I have a high water table so I can only go down > 4 feet and the ground is > > > 65F at this depth. I do make use of this for > cooling my buildings, but > > > this is a far way from the root cellar I need. > My water comes out of the > > > ground at 80F so it is no help. We really do > need to go off grid so I am > > > really trying to keep my power consumption to a > minimum. > > > > > > Root cellaring sounds so wonderful, but I have > yet to figure out how to do > > > it in a hot humid climate. Any suggestions? > > > > > > Bright Blessings, > > > Kim > > > > > > ___ > > > Biofuel mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net > (searchable): > > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > > > > > >-- > >Average BTU consumed Per Passenger mile by mode of > travel: > > > >SUV: 4,591 > >Air: 4,123 > >Bus: 3,729 > >Car: 3,672 > >Train: 2,138 > > > >Source: Bureau of Transportation Statistics > >http://199.79.179.77/publications/nts/index.html > > > >It is not a sign of good health to be well adjusted > to a sick society. > >__ J. Krishnamurti (1895-1986) > > > >"Reports that say something hasn't happened are > interesting to me, because > >as we know, there are known unknowns; there things > we know we know," > >Rumsfeld told the briefing. > > > >"We also know there are known unknowns; that is to > say we know there are > >some things we do not know. But there are also > unknown unknowns -- the > >ones we don't know we don't know." > > > >Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense, Feb. 12, > 2002, Department of > >Defense news briefing > >___ > >Biofuel mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > >http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
True, marble only feels cooler because it conducts heat away from your body faster than other materials. Ken --- Michael Lagae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Capra, > > Your suggestions about finding the free stone is a > good one, I'll have to remember that. However, the > statement that marble is 15 degrees cooler than the > surroundings is false. Just measure the temps of > various items in your bathroom (at the same height > since warm air rises) and you'll see that the marble > floor is not any colder than the rest of the room. > > http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/may98/893033758.Ot.r.html > > -michael > > > On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:36:45 -0700 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Greetings Kim, > > > >The solution could be wrapping your storage area in > marble. Marble has > >a curious property--it stays 15 degrees cooler than > the surroundings. > >Not so good for a bathroom floor, as I have > discovered. But a great > >idea for storing foods that need to be cold. While > marble may sound > >expensive, depending where you live, you can pick > up a whole bunch > >absolutely for free. I fulfill all my slab marble > and granite needs by > >visiting the dumpsters of local tile and granite > shops. These shops > >throw away many tons of stone every week! I > personally have more than I > >can use, and nearly killed my rabbit hauling so > much stone my shocks > >were fully compressed. You can even develop a > relationship with the > >workers to have them save aside choice chunks for > you before they get > >thrown in and buried, or broken. > > > >Then if you still had to chill it some, at least > your refrigeration > >would be working less of the time. > > > >Capra > > Don't E-Mail, ZipMail! http://www.zipmail.com/ > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate@#$
Hi, Buck using the info you provided google lead me to http://www.villageearth.org/pages/AT_Library/atsourcebook/chapters/solar.htm , while the page looks promising for a lot of info, the technical report 23-533 may be the project I'm recalling. I wished there was a Stateside source for it, only if I could remember the name of that magazine. An inquiry to Rodale Press resulted in a response from them, but not info I was looking for. Thanks Doug, N0LKK [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Buck Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : hi doug, was it passive solarr enerby by edward mazria,, mf-23-544, i found : lotss or freferrences to this one,, buck : : >From: "Doug Younker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate : >Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 02:02:19 -0500 : > : >Hi, : > : > I just recalled an article that was in a Rodale Press monthly : >publication that was a passive refrigerator, ice box to be accurate, : >project. As I recall it had a refrigerant loop with the condenser outside : >the building under the shaded eaves of theroof and the evaporator an : >insulated box with water in a partition. I believe over time the passive : >unit was supposed to freeze the water into ice. Problem is I can't : >remember : >the name of the magazine to even begin a search. : >Doug : > : > : >--- : >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. : >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). : >Version: 6.0.754 / Virus Database: 504 - Release Date: 09/07/2004 : > : >___ : >Biofuel mailing list : >[EMAIL PROTECTED] : >http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel : > : >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: : >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html : > : >Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): : >http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ : : _ : Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! : http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ : : ___ : Biofuel mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel : : Biofuel at Journey to Forever: : http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html : : Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): : http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.754 / Virus Database: 504 - Release Date: 09/07/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
I'm sure they have material on modern methods Buck. However the thread has been how is was done before refrigeration was available. There may very will be some older printed material archived *somewhere* thus my comment "it may take hours of research". I hoping Kim finds it and reports her discovery here, that's the only reason I open posts to this subject. Doug, N0LKK [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Buck Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate : hik doug, she may be able to fidnd some thnisngs from the county agent : or the aggies archives, dept of agriculture, they usually have many way s to : conserveee foods, --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.754 / Virus Database: 504 - Release Date: 09/07/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
Folks, For Texas, a good starting point would be here: http://county-tx.tamu.edu/ This lists all of the county extension offices in Texas. The Home Page is here: http://texasextension.tamu.edu/ I have worked a lot with extension offices in the past. Many times you will get a person that is new to the field and can't personally help that much. What you do then is get phone numbers and email addresses of experts in the field from the extension office. Also, many times you can work the system and get info from extension offices from other states. I had whopper long distance phone bills back in the 1970's talking to a Cauliflower breeder in Michigan and a Spanish Onion storage expert in Oregon. But it was all fun. The Profs from these and other universities mailed me pamplets of diagrams, data, and text that kept me up late at night reading, while gale force winds blew outside my house with temps that would make a Polar bear shiver. Ron B. == > hik doug, she may be able to fidnd some thnisngs from the county agent > or the aggies archives, dept of agriculture, they usually have many way s > to > conserveee foods, > > >>From: "Doug Younker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate >>Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 01:37:11 -0500 >> ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government Agendas -was: Kerry preferredaround World - Poll
Thank you Ron for your reply. I read a news article at one of your links that has been mentioned here before about US Corn-Ethanol averaging 67% net energy according to a recent US gov't report upping it from 34% previously or was it 36%. Additional information is welcomed. Net Energy Value of Ethanol Increases, Says USDA Jun 10, 2004 Newswire, National Corn Growers Association http://www.cornandsoybeandigest.com/news/EthanolValue/ Preliminary findings of a new study on the net energy balance of ethanol indicate ethanol produces 67% more energy than it takes to generate. The study, "The 2001 Net Energy Balance of Corn-Ethanol," was presented at the Corn Utilization and Technology Conference (CUTC) by Hosein Shapouri, a USDA economist. Shapouri said his research proves ethanol undoubtedly has a positive energy balance, even before subtracting the energy allocated to coproducts. In a 1996 study, Shapouri calculated the net energy balance of ethanol at 36%, up from 24% in 1991. Technological advances in crop production and the ethanol plant have helped to reduce the amount of energy required to produce ethanol, he said. "Corn yields per acre have increased, fertilizer is more energy efficient and ethanol plants are more efficient," Shapouri said. "So the net energy value of corn-ethanol improves." According to Shapouriâs research, the wet-milling process produces a net energy value of 57%, while dry-milled ethanol produces 77% more energy than it takes to produce. Shapouriâs research discredits the work of Dr. David Pimentel, who in 2003 mistakenly concluded that ethanol takes more energy to produce than it generates. "This (research), unlike the Dr. Pimentel report in 2003, is based on straightforward methodology and highly regarded quality data," Shapouri said. Numerous economists have questioned the validity of Pimentelâs findings, arguing that he uses outdated data in his methodology. Shapouri said one objective of the study was to improve the quality of data and estimation methodology used in past studies. For the newest study, USDA exhaustively surveyed corn farmers and ethanol plants and used new process simulation programs to allocate energy. "Our data is crystal clear," Shapouri said. "We used a USDA corn survey and we also used a survey of ethanol plants, so you can see the data from the first step of the process all the way until ethanol goes into the tank of your car." And as technology continues to improve, so will the energy value of ethanol, Shapouri says. Higher yields, more energy efficient inputs and improved technologies in ethanol plants will drive the energy balance of ethanol even higher, he said. "We believe the net energy balance is going to increase because of technology in corn production and technology in ethanol," he said. "The research proves this." http://www.cornandsoybeandigest.com/news/EthanolValue/ RESULTS All energy inputs used in the production of ethanol is adjusted for energy efficiencies developed by GREET model. The estimated energy efficiencies are for gasoline (80.5 percent), diesel fuel (84.3 percent), LPG (98.9 percent), natural gas (94 percent), coal (98 percent), electricity (39.6 percent), and transmission loss (1.087 percent). After adjusting the energy inputs by these energy efficiencies, the total estimated energy required to produce a bushel of corn in 2001 was 49,753 Btu. Table 3 summarizes the input energy requirements, by phase of ethanol production on a Btu per gallon basis (LHV) for 2001, without byproduct credits. Energy estimates are provided for both dry- and wet-milling as well as industry average. In each case, corn ethanol has a positive energy balance, even before subtracting the energy allocated to byproducts. Table 4 presents the final net energy balance of corn ethanol adjusted for byproducts. The net energy balance estimate for corn ethanol produced from wet-milling is 27,729 Btu per gallon, the net energy balance estimate for dry-milling is 33,196 Btu per gallon, and the weighted average is 30,528 Btu per gallon. The energy ratio is 1.57 and 1.77 for wet- and dry-milling, respectively, and the weighted average energy ratio is 1.67. 21Kb, 6 page PDF http://www.bioproducts-bioenergy.gov/pdfs/net%20energy%20balance.pdf National Corn Growers Association NCGA Responds to Exxon Chair's Misconceptions on Net Energy Balance of Ethanol http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/06-11-2004/0002191653&EDATE= > > I find it interesting that a number of states such as Minnesota, > > Iowa, Wisconsin, North & South Dakota, California, Nebraska to > > name few around the USA have introduced alternative biofuel > > such as ethanol into not only the government transportation mix > > but also to the public which may have had something to do with > > public opinion or was there some other reasons for it. >
[Biofuel] The Coming Elections and the Future of American Global Power
Weekend Edition March 12 / 14, 2004 The US Must be Isolated and Constrained The Coming Elections and the Future of American Global Power By GABRIEL KOLKO We are now experiencing fundamental changes in the international system whose implications and consequences may ultimately be as far-reaching as the dissolution of the Soviet bloc. The United States' strength, to a crucial extent, has rested on its ability to convince other nations that it is to their vital interests to see America prevail in its global role. But the scope and ultimate consequences of its world mission, including its extraordinarily vague doctrine of "preemptive wars," is today far more dangerous and open-ended than when Communism existed. Enemies have disappeared and new ones--many once former allies and even congenial friends--have taken their places. The United States, to a degree to which it is itself uncertain, needs alliances, but these allies will be bound into uncritical "coalitions of the willing." So long as the future is to a large degree--to paraphrase Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld--"unknowable," it is not to the national interest of its traditional allies to perpetuate the relationships created from 1945 to 1990. The Bush Administration, through ineptness and a vague ideology of American power that acknowledges no limits on its global ambitions, and a preference for unilateralist initiatives which discounts consultations with its friends much less the United Nations, has seriously eroded the alliance system upon which U. S. foreign policy from 1947 onwards was based. With the proliferation of all sorts of destructive weaponry, the world will become increasingly dangerous. If Bush is reelected then the international order may be very different in 2008 than it is today, much less in 1999, but there is no reason to believe that objective assessments of the costs and consequences of its actions will significantly alter his foreign policy priorities over the next four years. If the Democrats win they will attempt in the name of internationalism to reconstruct the alliance system as it existed before the Yugoslav war of 1999, when even the Clinton Administration turned against the veto powers built into the NATO system. America's power to act on the world scene would therefore be greater. John Kerry's foreign policy adviser, Rand Beers, worked for Bush's National Security Council until a year ago. More important, Kerry himself voted for many of Bush's key foreign and domestic measures and he is, at best, an indifferent candidate. His statements and interviews over the past weeks dealing with foreign affairs have been both vague and incoherent. Kerry is neither articulate nor impressive as a candidate or as someone who is likely to formulate an alternative to Bush's foreign and defense policies, which have much more in common with Clinton's than they have differences. To be critical of Bush is scarcely justification for wishful thinking about Kerry. Since 1947, the foreign policies of the Democrats and Republicans have been essentially consensual on crucial issues--"bipartisan" as both parties phrase it--but they often utilize quite different rhetoric. Critics of the existing foreign or domestic order will not take over Washington this November. As dangerous as it is, Bush's reelection may be a lesser evil because he is much more likely to continue the destruction of the alliance system that is so crucial to American power. One does not have to believe that the worse the better but we have to consider candidly the foreign policy consequences of a renewal of Bush's mandate. Bush's policies have managed to alienate, in varying degrees, innumerable nations, and even its firmest allies--such as Britain, Australia, and Canada--are being compelled to ask if giving Washington a blank check is to their national interest or if it undermines the tenure of parties in power. The way the war in Iraq was justified compelled France and Germany to become far more independent, much earlier, than they had intended, and NATO's future role is now questioned in a way that was inconceivable two years ago. Europe's future defense arrangements are today an open question but there will be some sort of European military force independent of NATO and American control. Germany, with French support, strongly opposes the Bush doctrine of preemption. Tony Blair, however much he intends acting as a proxy for the U.S. on military questions, must return Britain to the European project, and his willingness since late 2003 to emphasize his nation's role in Europe reflects political necessities. To do otherwise is to alienate his increasingly powerful neighbors and risk losing elections. His domestic credibility is already at its nadir due to his slavish support for the war in Iraq. In a word, politicians who place America's imperious demands over national interest have less fut
[Biofuel] Who's The Lesser Evil?
(March 24, 2004) Who's The Lesser Evil? by Eddie Tews Gabriel Kolko -- in this writer's estimation, our most indispensable historian -- argues in a recent piece on the Counterpunch website that because a second Bush term would possibly intensify the international enmity elicited by its bumbling unilateralism, it could be preferable to a Kerry Administration: Kerry is neither articulate nor impressive as a candidate or as someone who is likely to formulate an alternative to Bush's foreign and defense policies, which have much more in common with Clinton's than they have differences. To be critical of Bush is scarcely justification for wishful thinking about Kerry. Since 1947, the foreign policies of the Democrats and Republicans have been essentially consensual on crucial issues -- "bipartisan" as both parties phrase it -- but they often utilize quite different rhetoric. Critics of the existing foreign or domestic order will not take over Washington this November. As dangerous as it is, Bush's reelection may be a lesser evil because he is much more likely to continue the destruction of the alliance system that is so crucial to American power. Kolko echoes thoughts that have been rattling through your narrator's head -- regarding the domestic political milieu -- since witnessing the apoplectic reaction to Ralph Nader's announcement of his candidacy. It is becoming clear that all-too-many Kerry supporters view November's plebiscite as an end in itself. That, if Kerry should prevail, the reaction of a too-large proportion of his voters will be overwhelming relief -- "Whew! That was a close one!" -- followed by a repeat of Clinton-era apathy and apologetics. Whereas, a Bush victory couldn't but propagate the amazingly diverse and widespread lobbying and protest movement which saw the New York Times declare public political involvement the World's "second superpower." From the unprecedented pre-war protest mobilisations, to the hundred-plus official municipal renunciations of the PATRIOT Act, to the overwhelming response to the FCC's proposed further relaxation of media ownership restrictions, to the virtual implosion of the WTO, to the solidarity actions of "internationals" in Iraq and Palestine; the accomplishments have been many, and the momentum is gathering. So even though a Kerry administration would no doubt be marginally less nefarious in its designs, in the absence of activist mitigation of these designs, the net effect could well be more disastrous than a second Bush Administration. Kerry has learnt from Howard Dean that inflammatory rhetoric scores political points. But if he wants our votes, he should promise, no later than the Democratic Convention; to (at a minimum) unilaterally withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan and cut off military aid to Israel; to repeal the PATRIOT Act, the Bush tax cuts, the "No Child Left Behind" Act, the Medicare Act, and the "Help America Vote" Act; to ratify the Kyoto Protocol and the International Criminal Court; to pull out of NAFTA and the WTO; to disavow "salvage" logging and drilling in the ANWR; to disentangle church and state; to extend full civil- and due-process-rights to so-called "illegal combatants", women, homosexuals, immigrants, the elderly and disabled, and minorities; to implement universal health care and renounce the attempts to privatise Social Security and develop "useable" nuclear weapons. For, these are not the fringe propoundings of Mescaline-eating hippies and Molotov-throwing anarchists. They are the bread and butter issues of moderate-liberal voters who regard George Dubya's reign as the most horrific Presidency in their lifetimes. If Kerry can't at the very least promise (irrespective of whether he actually plans to keep his promises) to differentiate himself from George Bush as concerns the most pressing issues of those most inclined to vote for him, why in the Holy Hell should anybody vote for him? If he won't do so, those opposed to the Bush Presidency ought to write in Dennis Kucinich (who would make such promises, in a heartbeat) come November, and then, regardless of whosoever the voting machines tell us has prevailed, redouble our activist and grassroots organising efforts. Casting a ballot once every for years cannot be considered an in any way acceptable substitute for persistent participation throughout the duration of each four-year cycle. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
Mine too... Kind of a dead horse, eh? People should be able to judge for themselves when it's going nowhere and turns into noise rather than signal, after which point other members can rightly feel annoyed. More than 30 messages in this thread now, let it die a natural death. If anyone would like to argue about democracy and socialism, as such, it's happened before, it's in the archives, if you can think of anything new that's worth adding, go right ahead. Otherwise it'll just go round and round in circles and achieve not much. "Just my opinion of course!" LOL! This was a much more interesting thread, IMHO, and still relevant: Re: [biofuel] OPEC Tightens Screw on Oil Supply Restrictions http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/33249/ http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/33319/ You can get the whole thread if you click on "Click here for more on this subject". Hm... I think those two pieces by and about Gabriel Kolko are worth posting in full. Best Keith -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Steve Spence wrote: They can have him. Where do we send donations for the plane tickets? - Original Message - From: "wayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Since most of the world is more socialist than democratic and does not like the US way of life in the first place, of course they would want the candidate that would be most destructive to the US. Just my opinion! Wayne ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel ZZZZ
not any of my busisnesss,,, just curious, ii was in and out off Jaapnan in the late 60xs, early 70ss,yokosuka and sasebo, and some the small village aroumnd, from viet nam i loved the countray and the people, when i had the time i love to go to some the small ;vifissisng villaages, and if i oculd wrangel my way onto a boat, i woluld pull nets for a day just to learn more about the poeeple or to a farming villagee, i love thee little intense farms , hundredd yards square with barely enough room to put their feet,, i was clumsy, my big western gaijin feet,, actually i wanst that bad, i ussed to walk the railroaad trackss when i was a kid, baut the one time i did fa, that i remember, i coughtt myself with my hand but stuuck my finderss into a perfect radish bedd, he said it wasss nothisng, but i was p mortiffied,,i was fascinatedd by the workmanshsip in the boatss and the housesss, i thot the youg girls dellicate, bueautifell and way to pretty to tray to talk to,,, and i love the children, they would try to teach me thei games, and i minne to them,, they would plactice their engrish on me and i my japanense on them, with lots of laughing and giggling with little had over mouths,i alwasy hated to go and ii believe they didnt like my leaviing either,,,buck From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:46:20 +0900 oh by the waay,, DOMO ARIGATO GOZAAIMASU KIETHSAN, MIDORISAN,,, :-) Thankyou Buck-san. (How do you bow with a computer?) Midori sends her greetings. Her Japanese Biofuel list is doing well, by the way (on-topic content). Active. Regards Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
-- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Steve Spence wrote: They can have him. Where do we send donations for the plane tickets? - Original Message - From: "wayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Since most of the world is more socialist than democratic and does not like the US way of life in the first place, of course they would want the candidate that would be most destructive to the US. Just my opinion! Wayne ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input
moth balls (naphtha) have been put in air cleaners for added oomph, but I wouldn't recommend it. - Original Message - From: "Saul Juliao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input > > Hi all, > > This method of cleaning out the crud sounds similar to a technique used > up here in Canada for cleaning out the soot from an oil fired stove in a > fishing ice hut. Start the oil stove, bring it up to a hot heat, then > throw in a dozen moth balls. The stove will then start sucking in as much > are as possible and will suddenly start making a wolfing sound. It tends > to start moving up and down a little (the stove). At this point you leave > the hut and watch the soot come flying out of the chimney or the stove > blows up. I have seen it done several times, the stove and the chimney > both seem to be cleaned out nicely. > > Scary, and dangerous ... oh well could not help it > > Saul A. Juliao > > Andres Yver wrote: > > > On Friday, September 10, 2004, at 05:06 PM, Keith Addison wrote: > > > > > How about what Ed Beggs calls an Italian tune-up? (Pardon me Ed.) > > > What's the general opinion of Italian tune-ups anyway? > > > > Usually done to carburetted gasoline engines. Idea is that the high > > revs create large volume flow through the system, burning/blowing out > > any accumulated crud and carbon from your carbs, intake, combustion > > chamber, and exhaust system. Can attest to it's efficacy on a number of > > old Alfas and Jags. Fun to do. The technique is to accelerate up to > > about 9/10ths of redline, hold it there about 20 seconds, and lift off > > gradually. Shut off without idling as soon as possible afterwards. > > > > Don't do this to an engine that is in poor shape, low on oil, timing > > belt/chain past due replacement, or has damaged motor mounts. You could > > break expensive bits. > > > > andres > > > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
They can have him. Where do we send donations for the plane tickets? - Original Message - From: "wayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll > Since most of the world is more socialist than > democratic and does not like the US way of life in the > first place, of course they would want the candidate > that would be most destructive to the US. > > Just my opinion! > Wayne > > --- MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Most countries want Kerry in White House > > Sep 9, 2004 > > > > > http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 > > > > > > WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 > > countries want Democratic > > party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, > > according to a survey > > released Wednesday showing US President George W > > Bush rebuffed by > > all of America's traditional allies. > > > > On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than > > a two-to-one margin > > - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan > > Inc, a global > > research firm, and the local University of > > Maryland, showed. > > > > "Only one in five want to see Bush reelected," said > > Steven Kull, > > the university's program on international policy > > attitudes. > > "Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win > > handily if > > the people of the world were to elect the US > > president." > > > > The only countries where Bush was preferred in the > > poll covering > > a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and > > August were > > the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and > > Thailand were > > divided. > > > > The margin of error in the survey covering all > > regions of the > > world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five > > percent. > > > > Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's > > traditional allies, > > including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's > > seven percent), > > Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 > > percent to five percent), > > the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy > > (58 percent to 14 percent) > > and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). > > > > Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is > > Bush's closest ally > > in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent > > 47 percent to 16 percent. > > > > Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by > > 61 percent to Bush's 16 percent > > and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent. > > Even among countries that have > > contributed troops to Iraq, most favored Kerry, and > > said that their view of US > > foreign policy has gotten worse under Bush. > > > > They included Britain, the Czech Republic, Italy, > > the Netherlands, the > > Dominican Republic, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Japan, > > Norway and Spain. > > > > Asked how President Bush's foreign policy had > > affected their feelings towards > > the United States, a majority of those polled in 31 > > countries said it made them > > feel "worse" about America, while those in only > > three countries said it had made > > them feel "better." > > > > "Perhaps most sobering for Americans is the > > strength of the view that > > US foreign policy is on the wrong track, even in > > countries contributing > > troops in Iraq," said GlobeScan President Doug > > Miller. > > > > In Europe, the exception for Bush was a new ally, > > Polland, where he was > > preferred by a narrow majority of 31 percent > > against Kerry's 26 percent. > > Another new European ally, the Czech Republic, > > however went for Kerry > > (42 percent to Bush's 18 percent) as did Sweden (58 > > percent to 10 percent). > > > > Asia was the most mixed region, though Kerry still > > did better. > > Aside from enjoying a large margin in Japan, he was > > preferred by > > clear majorities in China (52 percent to Bush's 12 > > percent) and > > Indonesia (57 percent to 34 percent). But those > > polled were > > divided in India (Kerry 34 percent, Bush 33 > > percent) and > > Thailand (Kerry 30 percent, Bush 33 percent). > > > > Latin Americans went for Kerry in all nine > > countries polled. > > In only two cases did Kerry win by a large majority > > - > > Brazil (57 percent to 14 percent) and the > > Dominican Republic (51 percent to 38 percent) > > - but in most cases the spread was quite wide. > > > > > > > > Global Poll Shows a Kerry Landslide > > Poll finds him preferred around world > > by Thomas Crampton > > September 8, 2004 by the International Herald > > Tribune > > http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0908-03.htm > >"Another pattern that became apparent in studying > > the data was that those people with > > higher education and more income were more strongly > > in favor of Kerry, Kull said." > >"Those at the top of world society are more > > negative towards Bush than those at the > > bottom,"
