Re: [Biofuel] Vertical axis wind turbines Another approach to wind
The bearings on the machine shown in the video were a problemactually it was not a bearing problem as much as it was an out of round problem for the bottom ring that flowed over the bearing. The company decided it was going to be a continuing critical issue so has gone back to their original design (from 9 predecessor prototype machines), of diverting the majority of the outer weight to a center axis point. The only outside bearings that will be in place will not be constant weight bearing points but will be more like guidewires for those occasions when high winds might be strong enough to flex the upper unit. Much of the design will remain the same and the units ability to operate multiple generators of any type will still be in place; there just won't be any friction points on the outside edges of the machine other than pressure sensitive type rollers that will provide the link for each generator in place, up to 400kW (or so is anticipated). As far as penciling out, it will, easily, but as everything else will depend on what terms you have (or have) to make with any utility company you might be working with; of course, if you are setting this up to replace a grid system on a retail basis you won't care what the utility wants. There are and will be many options for the use of this or any Wind system, now or in the future. This machine won't be produced to take the place of existing tower type turbines and, at this point, it would be foolish to think that; but, it certainly could be a co-existing partner where many of the tower turbines have been placed as this unit would cause no to very little deflection problem in most cases. Weight does not seem to be a big problem with this machine, however I certainly think they need to do additional RD on composite materials to reduce the weight, especially if it is going to be a free wheeling machine. If they can get the weight factor down to 10,000 to 15,000 pounds it will open many new doors for them. The big catch is to do it at a reasonable cost and comparative to what it is for steel (though who knows where that is going to go as it has doubled in the past year). Right now the 400kW model is expected to have a price of about $300,000; but again, it depends on material costs. Dave - Original Message - From: Chris Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 1:59 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Vertical axis wind turbines Another approach to wind Elegance of design means simple. I would like to see a tally of wear points for this design plus fab costs. I doubt it will pencil. If the sealed grease bearings on my truck can be made to last 10 years I see no problem if it's built well enough. There is no reason these days to have short bearing life. Chris. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 19/11/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Powell 'Pushed Out' By Bush For Seeking To ReinInIsrael
Now is one of those times when my Grandfathers wisdom could have really been useful. It would appear that I have contracted very serious disease indeed. I believe they call it waytogo dumbass, not exactly sure of the proper medical terminology. I will be seeking treatment for this condition shortly, and fully expect a complete recovery. After following Gustl's advice and doing my homework, I did in fact find some disturbing details re: Powell that I was unaware of prior to today. Unaware of primarily because I had failed to look. I would appreciate any assistance anyone can give regarding links to sites that might have more info. regarding the truth about Powell. I am in serious need of an education regarding this man, as I am feeling like a damn fool right now because I bought into the hype 300%. Again, I stand corrected, Anti-Fossil - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 1:49 PM Subject: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Powell 'Pushed Out' By Bush For Seeking To ReinInIsrael Hallo Rice, Monday, 22 November, 2004, 12:26:37, you wrote: AF Jeez, I'm glad you guys aren't privy to my history, and therefore somewhat AF longer list of mistakes than Powell's (although admittedly none involved AF anyone's demise). For the support he had from President moron, personally, AF I am satisfied that Gen. Powell did what he could. Here's hoping you aren't AF expecting more, in the way of successful foreign policy meetings from Ms. AF Rice. We're not talking about mistakes here we are talking about outright and wittingly lying through his teeth. One doesn't compromise their honor and integrity with mistakes but one does when one knowingly uses false and already discredited intel as the basis for going to war. Whatever Powell has done in the past to earn people's respect he has undone with this one calculated and evil incidence of deception which has put our military in harms way for no good reason and has resulted in thousands of deaths and injuries and the literal destruction of a good portion of Iraq. He stood up in front of the world of his own volition and threw away his honor and integrity. His call. He is a big boy. He could have refused and gone public with the solid intel we had but he chose to use the politicized version. All this has already been documented. Do your homework and it is there for the viewing. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Vertical axis wind turbines Another approach to wind
automatically. If this is not the case please let me know. Kirk McLoren wrote: The hours of operation aren't even close. The comparison is invalid. Then there is the question of which bearings you refer to. Wheel bearings? Totally different application from moving the foils. The applied loads in that machine are very large. That makes the controls large which means expensive. The bottom line is mostly cost. I don't think that machine has anything new to offer in that area. It is new and novel. So what? Economics determine viability. Since it uses rigid foils I'm not sure it even has much advantage in the dead bird problem. Still not enthused. Kirk --- Chris Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elegance of design means simple. I would like to see a tally of wear points for this design plus fab costs. I doubt it will pencil. If the sealed grease bearings on my truck can be made to last 10 years I see no problem if it's built well enough. There is no reason these days to have short bearing life. Chris. __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Gardening and Compost
Hey Tim and Robert, Consider turning the excess veggie matter into fuel ethanol. Shredding is possible with equipment from Home Depot or other commercial food processing machines. A grist mill would be super as a preliminary stage for breaking down the material prior to fermentation--just like a cow chewing its cud. Peggy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Ferguson Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 12:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Gardening and Compost Hello Robert, I to have the same problem but I have more plant material than animal manure to compost. I have two springs and creeks on the property with good head flow and have been pondering constructing something of a grist mill to grind the corn stalks etc prior to composting. Something similar may be done with a windmill provided enough wind is present. I may be wrong but I think it might work. Labor intensive for loading and unloading but better than what I am doing now. Best Wishes, Tim That issue aside, I have put the stalks, cuttings and other fibrous material in a heap to decay. Aside from grinding or shredding this matter with a machine, is there anything I could be doing to speed its decomposition? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.as px?bookid=9782 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: [homeenergysolutions] Energy development, was Ultimate in waste?
Stephen, Sounds logical, right? It is however a very large flaw in this reasoning and that is the volume distribution of the current need (consumption). If there are lack of supply, the supply/demand rules are going to kick in and with free pricing, some quite funny things can happen. It is quite interesting to go through the possible scenarios for i.e. locally supplied renewable energy and you will find it quite alarming for the developed economies with high consumption and quite a manageable situation for developing countries with low energy consumption. The developed economies will scramble to buy renewable fuels from developing countries eventual surplus and this with very high price pressures. An enormous change in wealth and power distribution will take place and the largest of todays consuming countries will be hardest hit. I can not see any alternative peaceful development. Any non peaceful development does not provide better scenarios. It will be very hard for the developing countries to compete for the dwindling fossil and nuclear supplies. To belive that this competitive environment can be maintained with current peaceful, free trade and cooperative attitudes is probably a pipe dream. Best case is that the world become divided in larger block like the American, European, Asian and African continents, the worst is a number of smaller and instable blocks. We can already today see the fault lines and the potential threats, it is written on the wall. I can go further, but it become more and less stable alternatives. To belive that any developed economy can go it alone and especially the US, is also a pipe dream and the current neo-conservative unilateral trends are therefore extremely dangerous for US. US is also scrambling for alternative in the current finite energy resources (coal, nuclear, etc.), completely geared up to maintain the current corporative structure and political power distribution. Hydrogen that are based on production from current finite resources is a possible vehicle for this and that then could transition to hydrogen production from renewable. It is much prohibitiors for a hydrogen development, among them the cost competitive behaviors, to bring it forward, it need subsides and government interventions on a scale that US never seen before. Even then, it is many very large question marks that must be straighten out by political force. Sooner or later and for US it looks as later, energy efficiency and conservation will be necessary on very large scales. Spain will probably mandate solar produced hot tap water for new buildings now. This and other mandates will be introduced, not only in Spain. It can be interesting to follow our site, http://energysavingnow.com/ as long as we can maintain our informative work. It is so much to add, that I could easy end up with a book, but the above will do as a starter of potential discussions. Hakan At 10:17 PM 11/22/2004, you wrote: George, When natural gas and oil finally run out or at least become unavailable at any price, then what ?!? Well; we will all use something else. And it will be the least expensive thing that is available. Ever consider why we don't use whale oil lamps? Well, because Mr. Drake and Mr. Rockefeller came up with that kerosene stuff, which was cheaper. Then Tesla, Edison, and Westinghouse came up with those light bulbs, which were cheaper. Then all the appliances - so they had something to do with the electricity in the day time. g And we used to make the electricity with coal, but oil became cheaper so right now we use that. And when the oil is gone / too expensive - we will move on to the next cheapest energy source. PHM - Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129amnu5j/M=298184.5584357.6650215.3001176/D=groups/S=1705083269:HM/EXP=1101244735/A=2434971/R=0/SIG=11eeoolb0/*http://www.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60185400 click here [] -- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homeenergysolutions/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homeenergysolutions/ * * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/Yahoo! Terms of Service. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Vertical axis wind turbines Another approach to wind
automatic positioning requires controls be it a cam and a linkage or a motor and electronics. It doesn't mean an operator is on duty. Kirk --- Martin K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think it has controls, I think they are positioned automatically. If this is not the case please let me know. Kirk McLoren wrote: The hours of operation aren't even close. The comparison is invalid. Then there is the question of which bearings you refer to. Wheel bearings? Totally different application from moving the foils. The applied loads in that machine are very large. That makes the controls large which means expensive. The bottom line is mostly cost. I don't think that machine has anything new to offer in that area. It is new and novel. So what? Economics determine viability. Since it uses rigid foils I'm not sure it even has much advantage in the dead bird problem. Still not enthused. Kirk --- Chris Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elegance of design means simple. I would like to see a tally of wear points for this design plus fab costs. I doubt it will pencil. If the sealed grease bearings on my truck can be made to last 10 years I see no problem if it's built well enough. There is no reason these days to have short bearing life. Chris. __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Vertical axis wind turbines Another approach to wind
It's all centrifugal force, the sails close with the aid of hydraulic (actually pneumatic) rams that are modified to take air in and ease it out depending upon what the sails are doing. As the unit receives more wind additional generators come on line and create additional leverage against the ring drive, helping slow the unit or keeping it from excessive speed. The sails also remain open if speeds start to get too fast which also helps create additional drag to maintain reasonable RPM's. Prototype units have been recorded operating in wind speeds in excess of 102mph without any ill effects on the unit itself or without cutting power production off. While this unit is very large, (compared to what I'm not sure), it certainly has some advantages in the maintenance area. It's low to the ground so most repairs to generators and their linkage take place at 10 feet or less (most of us that have moderate height fear can tolerate that), off the ground; if it's something structural it would be 30 feet or less. If a sail gets damaged (say from someone shooting at it and making it look like Swiss cheese), it can be easily replaced, usually within a few hours and by the owner or caretakerand that's only if a person really needed too. In reality you could have several of the sails damaged and the unit will still operate and produce power so one has the advantage of picking and choosing his/her own time to do any repairs. Most anything on this unit can be repaired by the owner/caretaker and normally could be done within a day or two as nearly all parts are available at your local builder supply/farm supply/auto parts stores. This machine has been designed to be extremely user friendly and they expect it to have a life cycle of at least 30 years. I've been told that in most cases they don't even want to talk to someone about purchasing their machine if they can't show them and pencil out a ROI in less than 6 yearspreferably 2.5 to 4 years. I understand the reservations about this design, just like anything else that seems a little radical; and I don't blame folks for their skepticism, but I'll stand by these guys and know that they are going to get this right and very soon. You can see them at their website: http://energytransfercorporation.com/ Sorry to be so wordy, just trying to make this as simple as possible. Dave - Original Message - From: Martin K [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Vertical axis wind turbines Another approach to wind I don't think it has controls, I think they are positioned automatically. If this is not the case please let me know. Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Reply Controls and Vertical axis wind turbines
Dear Vertical Axis Readers: Controls don't have to be expensive. Microstar Laboratories www.mstarlabs.com makes some excellent PID controls via their real time data acquistion co-processors. Today's ghtz speed microprocessors now allow for PC based control systesm with data acqusition processors from the likes of Microstar Labs and others at a fraction of the cost of more traditional control systems. All you need to do is several things: 1)How channels you need to control. 2)What is the sampling speed per second per channel? SOme call this the bandwidth. 3)What resolution do you need (16 bit, 14 bit?) 4) What type of processing? In this case, the rotational angular velocity can be controlled via a analog to digital encoder. I have some buddies at Microstar Labs and you can send your questions to their Application Engineers at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Other - Lubrication Since I am a mamber of the Society of Tribologists and Lubrication Engineers, I will ask my Lubricant Engineering associates for their opinion on the proper lubrication for worm gears and other gears in rotational torque movements. See www.stle.org Regards, P. Wolfe --- Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: automatic positioning requires controls be it a cam and a linkage or a motor and electronics. It doesn't mean an operator is on duty. Kirk --- Martin K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think it has controls, I think they are positioned automatically. If this is not the case please let me know. Kirk McLoren wrote: The hours of operation aren't even close. The comparison is invalid. Then there is the question of which bearings you refer to. Wheel bearings? Totally different application from moving the foils. The applied loads in that machine are very large. That makes the controls large which means expensive. The bottom line is mostly cost. I don't think that machine has anything new to offer in that area. It is new and novel. So what? Economics determine viability. Since it uses rigid foils I'm not sure it even has much advantage in the dead bird problem. Still not enthused. Kirk --- Chris Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elegance of design means simple. I would like to see a tally of wear points for this design plus fab costs. I doubt it will pencil. If the sealed grease bearings on my truck can be made to last 10 years I see no problem if it's built well enough. There is no reason these days to have short bearing life. Chris. __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: [homeenergysolutions] Energy development, was Ultimate in waste?
Stephen, Yes, it will be many tours and I did not deny this, I wrote on an other occasion the following that is applicable on our conversation also, You are right in many things and until the EU was formed, Russia's transition to democratic/capitalist society and China was moving from pure weak communist society, US had a free ride in many situations. US have for decades been the only financial super power but had on the military front a least a perceived shared position. Now US is the only real military super power, but with clear limits on capacity to put enough boots on the ground to rule. The value of being the only standing military power, is almost zero, if the goal is not to blow the earth to bit and pieces. To have a capacity to conquer, has no value if it is not combined with a capacity to rule. US policy in the past have always been leaning to friendly dictators than winning hearts and minds of the people, the new policies does not seem to be very successful. US was for nearly a century a financial super power and the reason was its oil resources. It is now quite clear that the sharing of military super power have now gone through a transition to a sharing of financial super power. This is diminishing the position of US as a super power, even if its capacity of demolishing power has grown. Without being the owner of the worlds known oil resources, as in the past, US have significant difficulties to even meet their own demands. The best they can hope for now, is to try to get some form of independence. Because of their protection of industrial interests, US is lagging behind on renewable energy. The preferred fix seems to be Coal and Nuclear, the only real base for a fast implementation of a hydrogen economy and a protection for energy corporations. Forget all this fascination with weapons, which is difficult for grown up boys, and look at realities. At the end it is no military solution to this and it will not play a significant part in the future development. I am not so sure that US will have capacity for further engagement and it is for sure that UK will not engage before its election next year. US really have to do Iran by themselves and an alibi of coalition of the willing will be nearly impossible. If you then look at a fighting resistance, the current situation in Iraq is child play. All without getting any resolution on North Korea, which actually is the most serious issue at hand. North Korea feels cheated by US and the situation really originates in the fact that US did not live up to their commitment, when they abandoned their local nuclear research and development the last time. It is not an easy situation for US and this is one reason why Bush do not want bilateral discussions. Hakan At 04:55 AM 11/23/2004, Stephen Scott wrote: Hakan, That may be, but historically; the US, and it's mentor; Britain, has gone the route of intrigue, and failing that, violence, under one guise or another. It may well be different this time, but I would be betting against that. Supply Demand price structuring depends to a large extent on a friendly exchange. If History is any indicator of the future, that is not likely to happen. And . . . . it will still always come down to cost. When the cost of the desired product exceeds the cost of the violence - force will be used to secure the product. Now of course; first will come intrigue and trickery, but in the end, the guns, or the threat of the guns, will come to the foreground. Prices are not always paid in gold. g PHM - - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [homeenergysolutions] Energy development, was Ultimate in waste? Stephen, Sounds logical, right? It is however a very large flaw in this reasoning and that is the volume distribution of the current need (consumption). If there are lack of supply, the supply/demand rules are going to kick in and with free pricing, some quite funny things can happen. It is quite interesting to go through the possible scenarios for i.e. locally supplied renewable energy and you will find it quite alarming for the developed economies with high consumption and quite a manageable situation for developing countries with low energy consumption. The developed economies will scramble to buy renewable fuels from developing countries eventual surplus and this with very high price pressures. An enormous change in wealth and power distribution will take place and the largest of todays consuming countries will be hardest hit. I can not see any alternative peaceful development. Any non peaceful development does not provide better scenarios. It will be very hard for the developing countries to compete for the dwindling fossil and nuclear supplies. To belive that this competitive environment can be maintained with
Re: [Biofuel] Vertical axis wind turbines Another approach to wind
automatic positioning requires controls be it a cam and a linkage or a motor and electronics. It doesn't mean an operator is on duty. Kirk --- Martin K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think it has controls, I think they are positioned automatically. If this is not the case please let me know. I believe the 'controls' come down to the fact that the wind positions the flaps. There are no controls be they mechanical or electrical. -- --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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RE: [Biofuel] Vertical axis wind turbines Another approach to wind
The hours of operation aren't even close. The comparison is invalid. Incorrect as our coaches are running 16 hours a day and the loads on those turbine bears are nowhere near the loads on the drive shaft bearings behind the 200 hp motor. Chris. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 19/11/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re[4]: [Biofuel] Powell 'Pushed Out' By Bush For Seeking To ReinInIsrael
Hallo Rice, No brother, it isn't waytogo dumbass it is only a mistake. You corrected it. No harm no foul and nobody died. :o) I saw an interview with Powell's intel chief who left his service 4 months prior to Powell going in front of the UN. On the same program they had the folks from our own nuclear program who were quoted as saying that the aluminum tubes were for nuclear production and those folks said they told the government just the opposite...that the tubes were wholly inadequate. Same business on the mobile bio-warefare vans. They came from the Brits and what the Iraqis said they were they were in fact. When you go finding sources don't use just one and drop the ones who are consistently inaccurate. As for you, your grandfather surely would have given you an attaboy since you had the good sense to check your facts and find out what was right. A lot of people wouldn't even have cared. Well done. Happy Happy, Gustl Monday, 22 November, 2004, 17:29:40, you wrote: AF Now is one of those times when my Grandfathers wisdom could have really been AF useful. It would appear that I have contracted very serious disease indeed. AF I believe they call it waytogo dumbass, not exactly sure of the proper AF medical terminology. I will be seeking treatment for this condition shortly, AF and fully expect a complete recovery. After following Gustl's advice and AF doing my homework, I did in fact find some disturbing details re: Powell AF that I was unaware of prior to today. Unaware of primarily because I had AF failed to look. I would appreciate any assistance anyone can give regarding AF links to sites that might have more info. regarding the truth about Powell. AF I am in serious need of an education regarding this man, as I am feeling AF like a damn fool right now because I bought into the hype 300%. Again, I AF stand corrected, Anti-Fossil -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
