Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job

[Martin Klingensmith]

Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote:

Hallo Folks,

Wednesday, 15 December, 2004, 09:31:17, you wrote:

BN> i HAVE HAD some bad experiences with paypal and refuse to use them
BN> as well.
BN> rbury

PayPal  has  acquired  a  bad  reputation  among  many and from what I
understand for good reason.

Also,  I  don't know how I managed not to include Keith and Journey To
Forever  in  the  mail.   Chalk  it  down  to lack of sleep and health
concerns at the moment.

I believe there are some two thousand odd members of the list which is
why I proposed a dollar a person but there are not two thousand people
posting.  As  in  the  rest of life some of us will apparently have to
carry  the  others  but  it  is  something  to  which  we  ought to be
accustomed.  There  have  been  many carrying me on and off for a long
time,  Keith  and  Martin not the least among them. It is high time we
lived up to what I at least consider our responsibilities.

As  there  has been no response yet from Martin or Keith I am assuming
this  is  OK  with  them  so anyone wanting to contribute to this very
worthy  effort  could  just  drop  me an email at my own address and I
would  respond  with  my mailing address. I will also keep a list with
the name, email and amount of each donor and give it to both Keith and
Martin  so  if  anyone wants to check up on me they could email either
Keith  or  Martin and would know that their donation had been properly
distributed  and  none kept by me or misappropriated in any way.  And,
if   it   would   be   possible  US  currency would be appreciated.  I
believe  that  would  be  the  easiest and most efficient path, but no
donation would be denied.

If  the  list  is  willing we can proceed.  I am hoping that there are
more  than  half  a dozen or so of us willing to help financially with
the  truly  worthy  effort.  It is such a small thing but with so much
potential.

Happy Happy,

Gustl


Hello Gustl,
Sorry I have not replied earlier I am in the middle of 'finals season' 
here at the university. Finals are end of semester tests, for those who 
may not know.


I have also been hesitant to reply because you did leave out Keith from 
your email. I realize both now and then that it was unintentional. We 
can't forget that Keith and Midori have been doing this a lot longer and 
have put significantly more "hard labor" into JtF than I have.

JtF is their life!

I agree with the generosity of you and the others, I would accept money 
only on the acceptance Keith has for the offer, and I assume the money 
would be split in some ratio between Keith and myself.


Any money received by myself would only be put toward making the 
hardware running the JtF web page and the biofuel mailing list more 
reliable. As a lot of you probably noticed, both the web page and the 
list were down for quite some time over the weekend. The infoarchive 
(wwia.org) has not been updated recently because of the possibility of 
the database causing the server to crash. I will remedy this problem 
over the coming weekend. I sincerely appreciate anyone's generosity.


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Re[3]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job

[Gustl Steiner-Zehender]

Hallo Kim,

Wednesday, 15 December, 2004, 12:49:57, you wrote:

KGT> Greetings,

KGT> I  am not sure how far along Keith is, but I do know he is in the
KGT> process  of  becoming  a  charitable organization that can accept
KGT> donations  on  a tax free basis. If anyone was thinking of giving
KGT> heartily,  perhaps  we  might be able to give a little more if we
KGT> just  wait  until we can have the tax advantage. I am not sure if
KGT> Keith  could  channel  the  money  to Martin or not, but I have a
KGT> problem  with giving money to the government and prefer to donate
KGT> in this manner.

KGT> Bright Blessings,
KGT> Kim

If  anyone  needs  a  501(c)(3)  receipt  make  the  donation  to "The
Religious  Order  of  Friends" and earmark it for the "JTF Fund" and I
will  provide them with the proper receipt and see that the money gets
to  the proper place and that the donation is accounted for with Keith
and  Martin.   I happen to be the head of the religious order and have
the discretionary power to make such decisions.

Happy Happy,

Gustl
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da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewšhnlichen Welt nicht 
gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden.

Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't
hear the music.  
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His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love.
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Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job

[Kim & Garth Travis]

the tax deduction.  So sorry I explained it wrong.
Bright Blessings,
Kim

At 12:09 PM 12/15/2004, you wrote:
Why wait ? You can send someone a personal gift any time you want and the 
Empire has nothing to say about it. Don't make it out to JTF make it out 
to Keith personally (with his approval of course ) :-)

Luc
- Original Message - From: "Kim & Garth Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:49 PM
Subject: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job



Greetings,

I am not sure how far along Keith is, but I do know he is in the process 
of becoming a charitable organization that can accept donations on a tax 
free basis.  If anyone was thinking of giving heartily, perhaps we might 
be able to give a little more if we just wait until we can have the tax 
advantage.  I am not sure if Keith could channel the money to Martin or 
not, but I have a problem with giving money to the government and prefer 
to donate in this manner.


Bright Blessings,
Kim

At 11:22 AM 12/15/2004, you wrote:


Also,  I  don't know how I managed not to include Keith and Journey To
Forever  in  the  mail.   Chalk  it  down  to lack of sleep and health
concerns at the moment.

I believe there are some two thousand odd members of the list which is
why I proposed a dollar a person but there are not two thousand people
posting.  As  in  the  rest of life some of us will apparently have to
carry  the  others  but  it  is  something  to  which  we  ought to be
accustomed.  There  have  been  many carrying me on and off for a long
time,  Keith  and  Martin not the least among them. It is high time we
lived up to what I at least consider our responsibilities.

As  there  has been no response yet from Martin or Keith I am assuming
this  is  OK  with  them  so anyone wanting to contribute to this very
worthy  effort  could  just  drop  me an email at my own address and I
would  respond  with  my mailing address. I will also keep a list with
the name, email and amount of each donor and give it to both Keith and
Martin  so  if  anyone wants to check up on me they could email either
Keith  or  Martin and would know that their donation had been properly
distributed  and  none kept by me or misappropriated in any way.  And,
if   it   would   be   possible  US  currency would be appreciated.  I
believe  that  would  be  the  easiest and most efficient path, but no
donation would be denied.

If  the  list  is  willing we can proceed.  I am hoping that there are
more  than  half  a dozen or so of us willing to help financially with
the  truly  worthy  effort.  It is such a small thing but with so much
potential.

Happy Happy,

Gustl
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Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job

[Legal Eagle]

Empire has nothing to say about it. Don't make it out to JTF make it out to 
Keith personally (with his approval of course ) :-)

Luc
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From: "Kim & Garth Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:49 PM
Subject: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job



Greetings,

I am not sure how far along Keith is, but I do know he is in the process 
of becoming a charitable organization that can accept donations on a tax 
free basis.  If anyone was thinking of giving heartily, perhaps we might 
be able to give a little more if we just wait until we can have the tax 
advantage.  I am not sure if Keith could channel the money to Martin or 
not, but I have a problem with giving money to the government and prefer 
to donate in this manner.


Bright Blessings,
Kim

At 11:22 AM 12/15/2004, you wrote:


Also,  I  don't know how I managed not to include Keith and Journey To
Forever  in  the  mail.   Chalk  it  down  to lack of sleep and health
concerns at the moment.

I believe there are some two thousand odd members of the list which is
why I proposed a dollar a person but there are not two thousand people
posting.  As  in  the  rest of life some of us will apparently have to
carry  the  others  but  it  is  something  to  which  we  ought to be
accustomed.  There  have  been  many carrying me on and off for a long
time,  Keith  and  Martin not the least among them. It is high time we
lived up to what I at least consider our responsibilities.

As  there  has been no response yet from Martin or Keith I am assuming
this  is  OK  with  them  so anyone wanting to contribute to this very
worthy  effort  could  just  drop  me an email at my own address and I
would  respond  with  my mailing address. I will also keep a list with
the name, email and amount of each donor and give it to both Keith and
Martin  so  if  anyone wants to check up on me they could email either
Keith  or  Martin and would know that their donation had been properly
distributed  and  none kept by me or misappropriated in any way.  And,
if   it   would   be   possible  US  currency would be appreciated.  I
believe  that  would  be  the  easiest and most efficient path, but no
donation would be denied.

If  the  list  is  willing we can proceed.  I am hoping that there are
more  than  half  a dozen or so of us willing to help financially with
the  truly  worthy  effort.  It is such a small thing but with so much
potential.

Happy Happy,

Gustl
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Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job

[Legal Eagle]

Send me the adress to my email posted here. I don't particularly care if my 
name is attached to any check-up-on-you list. Of interest would be Martin's 
nationality so I know what currency to use. (I think it's US but I am not 
sure) I already know Keith is in Japan so that is a no brainer. bank drafts 
are easy to come by and easy to cash, so let me know.

Luc
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To: "B. Nostrand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:22 PM
Subject: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job



Hallo Folks,

Wednesday, 15 December, 2004, 09:31:17, you wrote:

BN> i HAVE HAD some bad experiences with paypal and refuse to use them
BN> as well.
BN> rbury

PayPal  has  acquired  a  bad  reputation  among  many and from what I
understand for good reason.

Also,  I  don't know how I managed not to include Keith and Journey To
Forever  in  the  mail.   Chalk  it  down  to lack of sleep and health
concerns at the moment.

I believe there are some two thousand odd members of the list which is
why I proposed a dollar a person but there are not two thousand people
posting.  As  in  the  rest of life some of us will apparently have to
carry  the  others  but  it  is  something  to  which  we  ought to be
accustomed.  There  have  been  many carrying me on and off for a long
time,  Keith  and  Martin not the least among them. It is high time we
lived up to what I at least consider our responsibilities.

As  there  has been no response yet from Martin or Keith I am assuming
this  is  OK  with  them  so anyone wanting to contribute to this very
worthy  effort  could  just  drop  me an email at my own address and I
would  respond  with  my mailing address. I will also keep a list with
the name, email and amount of each donor and give it to both Keith and
Martin  so  if  anyone wants to check up on me they could email either
Keith  or  Martin and would know that their donation had been properly
distributed  and  none kept by me or misappropriated in any way.  And,
if   it   would   be   possible  US  currency would be appreciated.  I
believe  that  would  be  the  easiest and most efficient path, but no
donation would be denied.

If  the  list  is  willing we can proceed.  I am hoping that there are
more  than  half  a dozen or so of us willing to help financially with
the  truly  worthy  effort.  It is such a small thing but with so much
potential.

Happy Happy,

Gustl
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Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns.
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ICQ: 22211253-Gustli

The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope,
soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones,
without signposts.
C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters"

Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen,
da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewšhnlichen Welt nicht
gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden.

Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't
hear the music.
George Carlin

The best portion of a good man's life -
His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love.
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Re[2]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job

[Kim & Garth Travis]

I am not sure how far along Keith is, but I do know he is in the process of 
becoming a charitable organization that can accept donations on a tax free 
basis.  If anyone was thinking of giving heartily, perhaps we might be able 
to give a little more if we just wait until we can have the tax 
advantage.  I am not sure if Keith could channel the money to Martin or 
not, but I have a problem with giving money to the government and prefer to 
donate in this manner.


Bright Blessings,
Kim

At 11:22 AM 12/15/2004, you wrote:


Also,  I  don't know how I managed not to include Keith and Journey To
Forever  in  the  mail.   Chalk  it  down  to lack of sleep and health
concerns at the moment.

I believe there are some two thousand odd members of the list which is
why I proposed a dollar a person but there are not two thousand people
posting.  As  in  the  rest of life some of us will apparently have to
carry  the  others  but  it  is  something  to  which  we  ought to be
accustomed.  There  have  been  many carrying me on and off for a long
time,  Keith  and  Martin not the least among them. It is high time we
lived up to what I at least consider our responsibilities.

As  there  has been no response yet from Martin or Keith I am assuming
this  is  OK  with  them  so anyone wanting to contribute to this very
worthy  effort  could  just  drop  me an email at my own address and I
would  respond  with  my mailing address. I will also keep a list with
the name, email and amount of each donor and give it to both Keith and
Martin  so  if  anyone wants to check up on me they could email either
Keith  or  Martin and would know that their donation had been properly
distributed  and  none kept by me or misappropriated in any way.  And,
if   it   would   be   possible  US  currency would be appreciated.  I
believe  that  would  be  the  easiest and most efficient path, but no
donation would be denied.

If  the  list  is  willing we can proceed.  I am hoping that there are
more  than  half  a dozen or so of us willing to help financially with
the  truly  worthy  effort.  It is such a small thing but with so much
potential.

Happy Happy,

Gustl
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Re: [Biofuel] End of the World (sorry)

[Kirk McLoren]

My daughter thought it amazingly funny.

Yes it was Sellersesque

Kirk
--- Michael Redler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> WTF: What the...F
>  
> Anyway, I want to follow up with a quick message.
> The link IS NOT A REFLECTION OF MY POLITICAL VIEWS".
> I received an angry message from Harry in the
> Distillers group and I regret the interpretation
> that he has of this ridiculous cartoon. When I first
> saw it, I immediately thought of Dr. Strangelove and
> the satire created from a completely insane
> situation.
>  
> I'm really sorry if I offended anyone. It was indeed
> (as Harry said) off-topic and maybe I should have
> kept it to myself.
>  
> Mike
> 
> bmolloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Luc,
> Me too, WTF?
> Bob.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Legal Eagle" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 5:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] End of the World
> 
> 
> > WTF ?
> > Luc
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Michael Redler" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] End of the World
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > I thought you might find this "interesting".
> > > 
> > > If you belong to the Distillers group, you may
> have already seen it.
> > > 
> > > http://www.ebaumsworld.com/endofworld.html
> > > (give it a minute to load)
> > > 
> > > It does a nice job of summing things up.
> > > 
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Re[2]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job

[Gustl Steiner-Zehender]

Hallo Mel,

Wednesday, 15 December, 2004, 11:26:29, you wrote:

MR> I haven't had any bad issues with Paypal and use them all the time
MR> to  collect money for my Hosting and ISP business, as well as Ebay
MR> items.

MR> When  you paypal me it goes into my acct, and I then move it to my
MR> checking acct.

MR> mel

Which,  while  being  true  for  you  does not address the issue of my
unwillingness of giving my financial information to PayPal. :o/

Happy Happy,

Gustl
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The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, 
soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, 
without signposts.  
C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters"

Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, 
da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewšhnlichen Welt nicht 
gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden.

Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't
hear the music.  
George Carlin

The best portion of a good man's life -
His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love.
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Re[2]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job

[Gustl Steiner-Zehender]

Hallo Folks,

Wednesday, 15 December, 2004, 09:31:17, you wrote:

BN> i HAVE HAD some bad experiences with paypal and refuse to use them
BN> as well.
BN> rbury

PayPal  has  acquired  a  bad  reputation  among  many and from what I
understand for good reason.

Also,  I  don't know how I managed not to include Keith and Journey To
Forever  in  the  mail.   Chalk  it  down  to lack of sleep and health
concerns at the moment.

I believe there are some two thousand odd members of the list which is
why I proposed a dollar a person but there are not two thousand people
posting.  As  in  the  rest of life some of us will apparently have to
carry  the  others  but  it  is  something  to  which  we  ought to be
accustomed.  There  have  been  many carrying me on and off for a long
time,  Keith  and  Martin not the least among them. It is high time we
lived up to what I at least consider our responsibilities.

As  there  has been no response yet from Martin or Keith I am assuming
this  is  OK  with  them  so anyone wanting to contribute to this very
worthy  effort  could  just  drop  me an email at my own address and I
would  respond  with  my mailing address. I will also keep a list with
the name, email and amount of each donor and give it to both Keith and
Martin  so  if  anyone wants to check up on me they could email either
Keith  or  Martin and would know that their donation had been properly
distributed  and  none kept by me or misappropriated in any way.  And,
if   it   would   be   possible  US  currency would be appreciated.  I
believe  that  would  be  the  easiest and most efficient path, but no
donation would be denied.

If  the  list  is  willing we can proceed.  I am hoping that there are
more  than  half  a dozen or so of us willing to help financially with
the  truly  worthy  effort.  It is such a small thing but with so much
potential.

Happy Happy,

Gustl
-- 
Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns.
Mitglied-Team AMIGA
ICQ: 22211253-Gustli

The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, 
soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, 
without signposts.  
C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters"

Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, 
da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewšhnlichen Welt nicht 
gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden.

Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't
hear the music.  
George Carlin

The best portion of a good man's life -
His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love.
William Wordsworth



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RE: [Biofuel] Martin's Job

[Mel Riser]

I haven't had any bad issues with Paypal and use them all the time to collect 
money for my Hosting and ISP business, as well as Ebay items.

When you paypal me it goes into my acct, and I then move it to my checking acct.

mel

-Original Message-
From: B. Nostrand [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 8:31 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job

i HAVE HAD some bad experiences with paypal and refuse to use them as well.
rbury
- Original Message -
From: "Legal Eagle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job


> Not in a hundred years would I consider putting any information, let alone
> my cc on Paypal.
> http://www.paypalwarning.com/WallOfShame/Default.asp is only one such.They
> have a nasty reputation, but befrore I get the "but I have been usding
them
> for..." let me just say, as Todd has," it isn't broke until it breaks".
> Luc
> - Original Message -
> From: "John Miggins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 9:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
>
>
> > perhaps paying from a paypal account would be easier and quicker?
> >
> > John Miggins
> > Harvest Solar & Wind Power
> > "renewable solutions to everyday needs"
> > www.harvest-energy.com
> > Phone/Fax 918-743-2299
> > Cell: 918-521-6223
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Gustl Steiner-Zehender" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Biofuel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 12:26 PM
> > Subject: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
> >
> >
> >> Hallo Friends,
> >>
> >> I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin
> >> Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a
> >> good  home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his
> >> own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep
> >> this list alive and upgrade it.
> >>
> >> If  each  of  us  who  appreciate his efforts would consider sending a
> >> dollar or two or five (or the "foreign" equivalent) to him to help him
> >> defray  his  costs  it  would  not only be a kind gesture but show our
> >> appreciation  of  his  work in a way which would allow him to continue
> >> with  his  fine work and make the list even better and more secure and
> >> efficient.   Anyone  who  was  around  for the last attack on the list
> >> knows what I mean about being secure.
> >>
> >> I  am not sure how Martin would feel about this as I haven't spoken to
> >> him  about  it.   My  feelings  on  the matter are that this list is a
> >> little  home for a bunch of good people and that it serves the greater
> >> good  of  us  all.   I  am  willing to act as the collection point and
> >> receive  any  contributions  which  anyone would care to make and send
> >> them  on  to Martin, with his and the lists permission.  Any donations
> >> could  be  sent  to  Martin  in  care  of me at my address and I would
> >> forward  them to him unless Martin does not mind giving his address to
> >> the list and receiving them directly.
> >>
> >> What  are  the  lists  thoughts  on  this  those of the list owner and
> >> administrators and, of course, Martin?
> >>
> >> Happy Happy,
> >>
> >> Gustl
> >> --
> >> Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns.
> >> Mitglied-Team AMIGA
> >> ICQ: 22211253-Gustli
> >> 
> >> The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope,
> >> soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones,
> >> without signposts.
> >> C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters"
> >> 
> >> Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen,
> >> da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewšhnlichen Welt nicht
> >> gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden.
> >> 
> >> Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't
> >> hear the music.
> >> George Carlin
> >> 
> >> The best portion of a good man's life -
> >> His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love.
> >> William Wordsworth
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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RE: [Biofuel] "The sweet smell of success"

[Mel Riser]

I am heading up to Missouri the first week in January to Interview Charles of 
Greasel for my video on SVO conversions.

As well I am picking up the kit and stuff I need to convert my Blazer. Charles 
even mentioned we might even do the conversion right there and he would help 
for being in the video.

As well I am interested in interviewing anyone running SVO now and could do 
some of the interviews by telephone.

Anyone interested in helping?

mel

-Original Message-
From: Patrick Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:52 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Biofuel] "The sweet smell of success"

In the trucker magazine "Land Line" in the December issue there is an 
article about a Heartland truck driver who runs SVO in his 18 wheeler! 
The magazine is free and I subscribe to it as a part-time owner operator 
"hotshot" trucker (with my pickup truck).  There is a link to the article 
here:

http://www.landlinemag.com/Archives/2004/Dec04/features/sweet_smell.htm

It's a fun read and really quite interesting to see someone who pulls 
80,000 lbs at 5.5 MPG running 90+% WVO.

Nice exposure too!!!

Patrick Campbell
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Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job

[B. Nostrand]

i HAVE HAD some bad experiences with paypal and refuse to use them as well.
rbury
- Original Message -
From: "Legal Eagle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job


> Not in a hundred years would I consider putting any information, let alone
> my cc on Paypal.
> http://www.paypalwarning.com/WallOfShame/Default.asp is only one such.They
> have a nasty reputation, but befrore I get the "but I have been usding
them
> for..." let me just say, as Todd has," it isn't broke until it breaks".
> Luc
> - Original Message -
> From: "John Miggins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 9:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
>
>
> > perhaps paying from a paypal account would be easier and quicker?
> >
> > John Miggins
> > Harvest Solar & Wind Power
> > "renewable solutions to everyday needs"
> > www.harvest-energy.com
> > Phone/Fax 918-743-2299
> > Cell: 918-521-6223
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Gustl Steiner-Zehender" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Biofuel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 12:26 PM
> > Subject: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
> >
> >
> >> Hallo Friends,
> >>
> >> I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin
> >> Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a
> >> good  home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his
> >> own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep
> >> this list alive and upgrade it.
> >>
> >> If  each  of  us  who  appreciate his efforts would consider sending a
> >> dollar or two or five (or the "foreign" equivalent) to him to help him
> >> defray  his  costs  it  would  not only be a kind gesture but show our
> >> appreciation  of  his  work in a way which would allow him to continue
> >> with  his  fine work and make the list even better and more secure and
> >> efficient.   Anyone  who  was  around  for the last attack on the list
> >> knows what I mean about being secure.
> >>
> >> I  am not sure how Martin would feel about this as I haven't spoken to
> >> him  about  it.   My  feelings  on  the matter are that this list is a
> >> little  home for a bunch of good people and that it serves the greater
> >> good  of  us  all.   I  am  willing to act as the collection point and
> >> receive  any  contributions  which  anyone would care to make and send
> >> them  on  to Martin, with his and the lists permission.  Any donations
> >> could  be  sent  to  Martin  in  care  of me at my address and I would
> >> forward  them to him unless Martin does not mind giving his address to
> >> the list and receiving them directly.
> >>
> >> What  are  the  lists  thoughts  on  this  those of the list owner and
> >> administrators and, of course, Martin?
> >>
> >> Happy Happy,
> >>
> >> Gustl
> >> --
> >> Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns.
> >> Mitglied-Team AMIGA
> >> ICQ: 22211253-Gustli
> >> 
> >> The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope,
> >> soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones,
> >> without signposts.
> >> C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters"
> >> 
> >> Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen,
> >> da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewšhnlichen Welt nicht
> >> gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden.
> >> 
> >> Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't
> >> hear the music.
> >> George Carlin
> >> 
> >> The best portion of a good man's life -
> >> His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love.
> >> William Wordsworth
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Biofuel] "The sweet smell of success"

[Neoteric Biofuels Inc]

(Even if I think I know where he could get an onboard fuel processor 
that might give him longer filter life! ;-)


There are quite a few buses and trucks running SVO/WVO in Europe as 
well, and lots of kilometers being accumulated. A hard working diesel 
(trucks, any highway use, marine, generators if not oversized, etc.) 
are good SVO applications - keep them hot and working, not idling and 
loafing around town, and any diesel is a lot happier, and this is even 
more true on SVO.




Regards,

Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc.
 Neoteric Biofuels Inc.
http://www.biofuels.ca



On Dec 14, 2004, at 9:52 PM, Patrick Campbell wrote:

In the trucker magazine "Land Line" in the December issue there is an 
article about a Heartland truck driver who runs SVO in his 18 wheeler! 
The magazine is free and I subscribe to it as a part-time owner 
operator "hotshot" trucker (with my pickup truck).  There is a link to 
the article here:


http://www.landlinemag.com/Archives/2004/Dec04/features/sweet_smell.htm

It's a fun read and really quite interesting to see someone who pulls 
80,000 lbs at 5.5 MPG running 90+% WVO.


Nice exposure too!!!

Patrick Campbell
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Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job

[Legal Eagle]

Having physical limitations is not a sign of being disabled. Having all your 
senses and parts ect. and walking around eyes wide shut is a much more 
adequate description of "disabled", IMHO.


God's speed,
Luc

- Original Message - 
From: "Anti-Fossil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job



Some good reminders for us all here.  Not just of the ongoing efforts of
some very dedicated people, but also of the fact that they put their 
money,

and their time, into "Journey to Forever".  I, for one, know of no other
site anywhere, without exception, where one can find such an extensive
compilation of pertinent, referenced knowledge presented purely because a
group of people desire to share a better way.  There are no strings 
attached
here, no required monthly fees for access to this vault of information. 
If
you want this information, or better yet, need this information, simply 
help

yourself.  It's all very clearly linked, and well presented here, so you
will have no trouble finding your way around.  All that takes time and
effort, not too mention considerable skill to add to the site when 
required.

But for our focus, in this thread anyway, it takes money, and I will be
contributing based on how important this has been for myself, and how
valuable I believe this site too be for my family.  On a personal note,  I
happen to be disabled, not something I have ever mentioned on this list
before, and as a result of this my family and I are on a very tight 
budget.
Thanks to this site specifically, I have, over the past month, constructed 
a

waste oil heater, which works amazingly well and now heats my garage/shop.
I am currently working on constructing my first biodiesel processor.  I
don't expect to be finished with construction until around the end of 
March

though because I am also working on some other projects at the same time,
also slated for completion in early Spring 2005 (Turning Barrel Composter,
4 Auto-Shut-Off rain barrels).  I will be posting all of my plans for 
these

in approx. 3 weeks time, with drawings, and will then be submitting pics
when projects complete.  My point is that "Journey to Forever", first
instructed me step by step, on how to do exactly what I needed to do to 
help

myself, and my family.  For that alone,  I am so much more than grateful.
But when you add to that all the great advice, and clear voices from 
around

this beautiful planet that I am now privileged to be able listen to, and I
can tell you that "Journey to Forever" now has another advocate for life.

AntiFossil
Mike Krafka
Easton, Minnesota USA



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Re: [Biofuel] End of the World (sorry)

[Michael Redler]

Thanks Luc
 
...Mike

Legal Eagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I don't know what you are appologizing for. Does it not depict the insanity 
to which The Emperor will go to grab oil? Does it not show the absurdity of 
the taunted "Nuclear winter"? I thought the Kangarro in the snow was a hoot. 
(of course Autralia is not all that out of the loop, Howard the coward is 
in on it every step of the way) WTF indeed.
Luc
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Redler" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] End of the World (sorry)


> WTF: What the...F
>
> Anyway, I want to follow up with a quick message. The link IS NOT A 
> REFLECTION OF MY POLITICAL VIEWS". I received an angry message from Harry 
> in the Distillers group and I regret the interpretation that he has of 
> this ridiculous cartoon. When I first saw it, I immediately thought of Dr. 
> Strangelove and the satire created from a completely insane situation.
>
> I'm really sorry if I offended anyone. It was indeed (as Harry said) 
> off-topic and maybe I should have kept it to myself.
>
> Mike
>
> bmolloy wrote:
> Hi Luc,
> Me too, WTF?
> Bob.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Legal Eagle"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 5:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] End of the World
>
>
>> WTF ?
>> Luc
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Michael Redler"
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] End of the World
>>
>>
>> >
>> > I thought you might find this "interesting".
>> >
>> > If you belong to the Distillers group, you may have already seen it.
>> >
>> > http://www.ebaumsworld.com/endofworld.html
>> > (give it a minute to load)
>> >
>> > It does a nice job of summing things up.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
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[Biofuel] Better than bio diesel?

[grahams]

excerpt...
Doing away with solar cells and batteries, their robot 
Ecobot 
II has a stomach consisting of eight microbial fuel cells, or MFCs, that 
contain bacteria harvested from sewage sludge. The microbes break down the 
food into sugars, converting biochemical energy into electricity that 
powers the robot. With bacteria breaking the food down and a type of 
robotic "respiration" in which air provides oxygen to the fuel cells to 
create useful energy, the whole system mimics real digestion as closely as 
possible.


Caroline 
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Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job

[Anti-Fossil]

Some good reminders for us all here.  Not just of the ongoing efforts of
some very dedicated people, but also of the fact that they put their money,
and their time, into "Journey to Forever".  I, for one, know of no other
site anywhere, without exception, where one can find such an extensive
compilation of pertinent, referenced knowledge presented purely because a
group of people desire to share a better way.  There are no strings attached
here, no required monthly fees for access to this vault of information.  If
you want this information, or better yet, need this information, simply help
yourself.  It's all very clearly linked, and well presented here, so you
will have no trouble finding your way around.  All that takes time and
effort, not too mention considerable skill to add to the site when required.
But for our focus, in this thread anyway, it takes money, and I will be
contributing based on how important this has been for myself, and how
valuable I believe this site too be for my family.  On a personal note,  I
happen to be disabled, not something I have ever mentioned on this list
before, and as a result of this my family and I are on a very tight budget.
Thanks to this site specifically, I have, over the past month, constructed a
waste oil heater, which works amazingly well and now heats my garage/shop.
I am currently working on constructing my first biodiesel processor.  I
don't expect to be finished with construction until around the end of March
though because I am also working on some other projects at the same time,
also slated for completion in early Spring 2005 (Turning Barrel Composter,
4 Auto-Shut-Off rain barrels).  I will be posting all of my plans for these
in approx. 3 weeks time, with drawings, and will then be submitting pics
when projects complete.  My point is that "Journey to Forever", first
instructed me step by step, on how to do exactly what I needed to do to help
myself, and my family.  For that alone,  I am so much more than grateful.
But when you add to that all the great advice, and clear voices from around
this beautiful planet that I am now privileged to be able listen to, and I
can tell you that "Journey to Forever" now has another advocate for life.

AntiFossil
Mike Krafka
Easton, Minnesota USA
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job


> Yes, a fine proposal. But let's not forget Keith, also spending a lot of
> his
> resources keeping us ("the nuthouse") alive for, how many years now?
> Journey has a "donation button" also. Both of them should deserve at
> least some expense coverage from us all.
>
> Cheers, Aleks
>
>
>
>
>
> Gustl Steiner-Zehender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 14.12.2004 19:26
> Please respond to biofuel
>
>
> To: Biofuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> cc:
> Subject:[Biofuel] Martin's Job
>
>
> Hallo Friends,
>
> I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin
> Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a
> good  home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his
> own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep
> this list alive and upgrade it.
>
> If  each  of  us  who  appreciate his efforts would consider sending a
> dollar or two or five (or the "foreign" equivalent) to him to help him
> defray  his  costs  it  would  not only be a kind gesture but show our
> appreciation  of  his  work in a way which would allow him to continue
> with  his  fine work and make the list even better and more secure and
> efficient.   Anyone  who  was  around  for the last attack on the list
> knows what I mean about being secure.
>
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Re: [Biofuel] End of the World (sorry)

[Legal Eagle]

to which The Emperor will go to grab oil? Does it not show the absurdity of 
the taunted "Nuclear winter"? I thought the Kangarro in the snow was a hoot. 
(of course Autralia  is not all that out of the loop, Howard the coward is 
in on it every step of the way) WTF indeed.

Luc
- Original Message - 
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] End of the World (sorry)



WTF: What the...F

Anyway, I want to follow up with a quick message. The link IS NOT A 
REFLECTION OF MY POLITICAL VIEWS". I received an angry message from Harry 
in the Distillers group and I regret the interpretation that he has of 
this ridiculous cartoon. When I first saw it, I immediately thought of Dr. 
Strangelove and the satire created from a completely insane situation.


I'm really sorry if I offended anyone. It was indeed (as Harry said) 
off-topic and maybe I should have kept it to myself.


Mike

bmolloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Luc,
Me too, WTF?
Bob.

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To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] End of the World



WTF ?
Luc
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Redler"

To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] End of the World


>
> I thought you might find this "interesting".
>
> If you belong to the Distillers group, you may have already seen it.
>
> http://www.ebaumsworld.com/endofworld.html
> (give it a minute to load)
>
> It does a nice job of summing things up.
>
> Mike
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Re: [Biofuel] vacuum dehydration & methanol recovery

[Leif Forer]

According to Mark Schofield (who originally recommended the pricey  
$7,000 BOC Edwards vacuum pump) and Doug Foskey, methanol fouls the  
pump's lubricating oil causing them to rapidly break. Sounds like an  
oil-free vacuum pump is what we're after. My guess is that the Thomas  
1020 that Manuel found is an oil-free diaphragm pump. Do you know?


Any thoughts about material compatibility (will the methanol break down  
any of the components) and safety (like explosions) with this pump? My  
thinking is that if we use a liquid trap like Nick, Ian, and Dale the  
pump should be somewhat protected.


~leif

On Dec 15, 2004, at 2:50 AM, Manuel del Rio wrote:



Leif,

About an affordable vacuum pump. I found a pressure/vacuum pump from  
Thomas Compressors

model Thomas 1020 being sold by Amazon for U$179.99
The features from Amazon's description:
   * Lightweight, portable, quiet running
   * 3/4 HP - Tankless Compressor
   * Use for pressure or vacuum
   * Fully adjustable valve 0-100 psi.
   * Delivers 2.17 cfm @ 100 psi - or 27" Hg.

It is a lower capacity vacuum pump compared with those used in Ian's  
or Dale's but maybe
good for those of us who can not easily find such good and suited  
surplus equipment.


Also, Todd (Appal Energy) posted an url:  www.bocedwards.com and  
provided some
vacuum pump specs which you can find in the mailing list archives  
message #25964


I find difficult to calculate the time required to evacuate the  
methanol because besides the temperature
and vacuum pressure, the time will probably depend strongly on the  
volume of air/gases to be
evacuated (hoses, not filled tank volume) and how well sealed is the  
equipment.  However,
experienced people in this list could probably estimate if this pump  
would take longer or shorter than

other pumps they have tried.

Please let me know if you find something better.

Best  regards,
Manuel

--- 
-


At 08:28 PM 12/14/2004, you wrote:
Thanks for the response Luc. I am familiar with Dale's reactor but  
there's not enough info on his site to answer my questions. I'm still  
hoping someone on this list will bite . . .


~leif

On Dec 14, 2004, at 8:04 PM, Legal Eagle wrote:


G'day Leif;.

- Original Message - From: "Leif Forer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 9:22 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] vacuum dehydration & methanol recovery


Wondering if you can help me with a couple of vacuum pump  
questions. I am building a reactor out of a 150 gallon vessel and  
want to use vacuum to dry incoming waste oil, dry washed biodiesel,  
and recover methanol from glycerin and biodiesel. I am trying to  
figure out what vacuum pump I need (at least the ball park  
specifications) and find an affordable source.



Have you see this  
?http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html#touchfree

Follow the link to Dale's explanation of his set-up
http://home.swbell.net/scrof/Biod_Proc.html He is the guy who  
originally used a water heater as a reactor.

Luc

On safety: Do you think I need to be concerned about getting an  
explosion proof or totally enclosed fan cooled vacuum pump? Even  
though the system will have to be closed and I'll have a liquid  
trap?


Technical: Any idea what the free air CFM @ 25" Hg would have to be  
to evacuate 20 gallons of methanol from a 150 gallon tank in a  
reasonable amount of time (1 to 2 hours)?


~leif

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Re: [Biofuel] End of the World (sorry)

[Michael Redler]

WTF: What the...F
 
Anyway, I want to follow up with a quick message. The link IS NOT A REFLECTION 
OF MY POLITICAL VIEWS". I received an angry message from Harry in the 
Distillers group and I regret the interpretation that he has of this ridiculous 
cartoon. When I first saw it, I immediately thought of Dr. Strangelove and the 
satire created from a completely insane situation.
 
I'm really sorry if I offended anyone. It was indeed (as Harry said) off-topic 
and maybe I should have kept it to myself.
 
Mike

bmolloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Luc,
Me too, WTF?
Bob.

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From: "Legal Eagle" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] End of the World


> WTF ?
> Luc
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Michael Redler" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] End of the World
> 
> 
> > 
> > I thought you might find this "interesting".
> > 
> > If you belong to the Distillers group, you may have already seen it.
> > 
> > http://www.ebaumsworld.com/endofworld.html
> > (give it a minute to load)
> > 
> > It does a nice job of summing things up.
> > 
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Re: [Biofuel] thank you admin for following my query and thank you Myke

[fox mulder]

thank you admin for following my query and thank you
Myke for letting me know where to buy methanol.

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Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Question: TDI and homemade fuel

[fox mulder]

 --- DB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> I have a 02 golt and have been making bio for two
> years (1800 gal so far). I 
> wanted to test it for ASME specs but they wanted
> over $1000 to do the test. 
> I am confident that if you do the reaction , water
> wash the results  and 
> properly filter  the bio you will be meeting asme
> standards
> ---.DB-- Original Message - 
> From: "Marna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 7:48 PM
> Subject: [Biofuel] Newbie Question: TDI and homemade
> fuel
> 
> 
> >I have been told that its best to use ASME
> certified biodiesel for the 
> >newer
> > cars because of the centrifuge used in processing
> to eliminate something,
> > and that using homebrew made from WVO is
> dangerous.
> >
> > I just bought a TDI and am running my first tank
> of ASME certified 
> > biodiesel
> > through the car, but would really like to use WVO
> and do homebrew.
> >
> > Opinions?  Facts?
> >
> > Thanks,
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>  dear marna,
if you are using wvo, you need to make sure that it of
a good quality. biodiesel is hygroscopic. it absorbs
water and water make the biodiesel cloudy. some times
wax is formed which can block the filter. you need to
make sure water is eliminated as much  as possible.
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RE: [Biofuel] vacuum dehydration & methanol recovery

[Nick & Jenny]

Been a while since I have posted but this one peaked my interest, I was
looking for a  vacuum pump myself until I realised that my $100 aust air
compressor will work just fine, connected to the air intake through a liquid
trap (just in case)
regards
Nick

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Manuel del Rio
Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2004 5:50 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] vacuum dehydration & methanol recovery



Leif,

About an affordable vacuum pump. I found a pressure/vacuum pump from Thomas
Compressors
model Thomas 1020 being sold by Amazon for U$179.99
The features from Amazon's description:
* Lightweight, portable, quiet running
* 3/4 HP - Tankless Compressor
* Use for pressure or vacuum
* Fully adjustable valve 0-100 psi.
* Delivers 2.17 cfm @ 100 psi - or 27" Hg.

It is a lower capacity vacuum pump compared with those used in Ian's or
Dale's but maybe
good for those of us who can not easily find such good and suited surplus
equipment.

Also, Todd (Appal Energy) posted an url:  www.bocedwards.com and provided
some
vacuum pump specs which you can find in the mailing list archives message
#25964

I find difficult to calculate the time required to evacuate the methanol
because besides the temperature
and vacuum pressure, the time will probably depend strongly on the volume
of air/gases to be
evacuated (hoses, not filled tank volume) and how well sealed is the
equipment.  However,
experienced people in this list could probably estimate if this pump would
take longer or shorter than
other pumps they have tried.

Please let me know if you find something better.

Best  regards,
Manuel




At 08:28 PM 12/14/2004, you wrote:
>Thanks for the response Luc. I am familiar with Dale's reactor but there's
>not enough info on his site to answer my questions. I'm still hoping
>someone on this list will bite . . .
>
>~leif
>
>On Dec 14, 2004, at 8:04 PM, Legal Eagle wrote:
>
>>G'day Leif;.
>>
>>- Original Message - From: "Leif Forer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 9:22 AM
>>Subject: [Biofuel] vacuum dehydration & methanol recovery
>>
>>
>>>Wondering if you can help me with a couple of vacuum pump questions. I
>>>am building a reactor out of a 150 gallon vessel and want to use vacuum
>>>to dry incoming waste oil, dry washed biodiesel, and recover methanol
>>>from glycerin and biodiesel. I am trying to figure out what vacuum pump
>>>I need (at least the ball park specifications) and find an affordable
source.
>>
>>
>>Have you see this
>>?http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html#touchfree
>>Follow the link to Dale's explanation of his set-up
>>http://home.swbell.net/scrof/Biod_Proc.html He is the guy who originally
>>used a water heater as a reactor.
>>Luc
>>
>>>On safety: Do you think I need to be concerned about getting an
>>>explosion proof or totally enclosed fan cooled vacuum pump? Even though
>>>the system will have to be closed and I'll have a liquid trap?
>>>
>>>Technical: Any idea what the free air CFM @ 25" Hg would have to be to
>>>evacuate 20 gallons of methanol from a 150 gallon tank in a reasonable
>>>amount of time (1 to 2 hours)?
>>>
>>>~leif
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Re: [Biofuel] "The sweet smell of success"

[Legal Eagle]

Luc
- Original Message - 
From: "Patrick Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:52 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] "The sweet smell of success"


In the trucker magazine "Land Line" in the December issue there is an 
article about a Heartland truck driver who runs SVO in his 18 wheeler! The 
magazine is free and I subscribe to it as a part-time owner operator 
"hotshot" trucker (with my pickup truck).  There is a link to the article 
here:


http://www.landlinemag.com/Archives/2004/Dec04/features/sweet_smell.htm

It's a fun read and really quite interesting to see someone who pulls 
80,000 lbs at 5.5 MPG running 90+% WVO.


Nice exposure too!!!

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Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Question: TDI and homemade fuel

[Legal Eagle]

they switched over to. If it is an any other year TDI make good fuel 
(quality test ect.) and use it.

Luc
- Original Message - 
From: "Marna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:48 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Newbie Question: TDI and homemade fuel


I have been told that its best to use ASME certified biodiesel for the 
newer

cars because of the centrifuge used in processing to eliminate something,
and that using homebrew made from WVO is dangerous.

I just bought a TDI and am running my first tank of ASME certified 
biodiesel

through the car, but would really like to use WVO and do homebrew.

Opinions?  Facts?

Thanks,
Marna (Washington State, USA)


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Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job

[Legal Eagle]

it/them. One central collection and distribution. We can do a 50/50.
Luc
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job


Yes, a fine proposal. But let's not forget Keith, also spending a lot of
his
resources keeping us ("the nuthouse") alive for, how many years now?
Journey has a "donation button" also. Both of them should deserve at
least some expense coverage from us all.

Cheers, Aleks





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Please respond to biofuel


   To: Biofuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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   Subject:[Biofuel] Martin's Job


Hallo Friends,

I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin
Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a
good  home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his
own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep
this list alive and upgrade it.

If  each  of  us  who  appreciate his efforts would consider sending a
dollar or two or five (or the "foreign" equivalent) to him to help him
defray  his  costs  it  would  not only be a kind gesture but show our
appreciation  of  his  work in a way which would allow him to continue
with  his  fine work and make the list even better and more secure and
efficient.   Anyone  who  was  around  for the last attack on the list
knows what I mean about being secure.

I  am not sure how Martin would feel about this as I haven't spoken to
him  about  it.   My  feelings  on  the matter are that this list is a
little  home for a bunch of good people and that it serves the greater
good  of  us  all.   I  am  willing to act as the collection point and
receive  any  contributions  which  anyone would care to make and send
them  on  to Martin, with his and the lists permission.  Any donations
could  be  sent  to  Martin  in  care  of me at my address and I would
forward  them to him unless Martin does not mind giving his address to
the list and receiving them directly.

What  are  the  lists  thoughts  on  this  those of the list owner and
administrators and, of course, Martin?

Happy Happy,

Gustl
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Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen,
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Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't
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His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love.
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Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job

[Legal Eagle]

my cc on Paypal.
http://www.paypalwarning.com/WallOfShame/Default.asp is only one such.They 
have a nasty reputation, but befrore I get the "but I have been usding them 
for..." let me just say, as Todd has," it isn't broke until it breaks".

Luc
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job



perhaps paying from a paypal account would be easier and quicker?

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To: "Biofuel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 12:26 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Martin's Job



Hallo Friends,

I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin
Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a
good  home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his
own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep
this list alive and upgrade it.

If  each  of  us  who  appreciate his efforts would consider sending a
dollar or two or five (or the "foreign" equivalent) to him to help him
defray  his  costs  it  would  not only be a kind gesture but show our
appreciation  of  his  work in a way which would allow him to continue
with  his  fine work and make the list even better and more secure and
efficient.   Anyone  who  was  around  for the last attack on the list
knows what I mean about being secure.

I  am not sure how Martin would feel about this as I haven't spoken to
him  about  it.   My  feelings  on  the matter are that this list is a
little  home for a bunch of good people and that it serves the greater
good  of  us  all.   I  am  willing to act as the collection point and
receive  any  contributions  which  anyone would care to make and send
them  on  to Martin, with his and the lists permission.  Any donations
could  be  sent  to  Martin  in  care  of me at my address and I would
forward  them to him unless Martin does not mind giving his address to
the list and receiving them directly.

What  are  the  lists  thoughts  on  this  those of the list owner and
administrators and, of course, Martin?

Happy Happy,

Gustl
--
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soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones,
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Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen,
da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewšhnlichen Welt nicht
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Re: [Biofuel] vacuum dehydration & methanol recovery

[Doug Foskey]

I have used a Medical vacuum pump, but found that the Methanol washed the oil 
from the pump, & the pump seized. 

regards Doug

On Wednesday 15 December 2004 6:50, Manuel del Rio wrote:
> Leif,
>
> About an affordable vacuum pump. I found a pressure/vacuum pump from Thomas
> Compressors
> model Thomas 1020 being sold by Amazon for U$179.99
> The features from Amazon's description:
> * Lightweight, portable, quiet running
> * 3/4 HP - Tankless Compressor
> * Use for pressure or vacuum
> * Fully adjustable valve 0-100 psi.
> * Delivers 2.17 cfm @ 100 psi - or 27" Hg.
>
> It is a lower capacity vacuum pump compared with those used in Ian's or
> Dale's but maybe
> good for those of us who can not easily find such good and suited surplus
> equipment.
>
> Also, Todd (Appal Energy) posted an url:  www.bocedwards.com and provided
> some vacuum pump specs which you can find in the mailing list archives
> message #25964
>
> I find difficult to calculate the time required to evacuate the methanol
> because besides the temperature
> and vacuum pressure, the time will probably depend strongly on the volume
> of air/gases to be
> evacuated (hoses, not filled tank volume) and how well sealed is the
> equipment.  However,
> experienced people in this list could probably estimate if this pump would
> take longer or shorter than
> other pumps they have tried.
>
> Please let me know if you find something better.
>
> Best  regards,
> Manuel
>
> ---
>-
>
> At 08:28 PM 12/14/2004, you wrote:
> >Thanks for the response Luc. I am familiar with Dale's reactor but there's
> >not enough info on his site to answer my questions. I'm still hoping
> >someone on this list will bite . . .
> >
> >~leif
> >
> >On Dec 14, 2004, at 8:04 PM, Legal Eagle wrote:
> >>G'day Leif;.
> >>
> >>- Original Message - From: "Leif Forer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 9:22 AM
> >>Subject: [Biofuel] vacuum dehydration & methanol recovery
> >>
> >>>Wondering if you can help me with a couple of vacuum pump questions. I
> >>>am building a reactor out of a 150 gallon vessel and want to use vacuum
> >>>to dry incoming waste oil, dry washed biodiesel, and recover methanol
> >>>from glycerin and biodiesel. I am trying to figure out what vacuum pump
> >>>I need (at least the ball park specifications) and find an affordable
> >>> source.
> >>
> >>Have you see this
> >>?http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html#touchfree
> >>Follow the link to Dale's explanation of his set-up
> >>http://home.swbell.net/scrof/Biod_Proc.html He is the guy who originally
> >>used a water heater as a reactor.
> >>Luc
> >>
> >>>On safety: Do you think I need to be concerned about getting an
> >>>explosion proof or totally enclosed fan cooled vacuum pump? Even though
> >>>the system will have to be closed and I'll have a liquid trap?
> >>>
> >>>Technical: Any idea what the free air CFM @ 25" Hg would have to be to
> >>>evacuate 20 gallons of methanol from a 150 gallon tank in a reasonable
> >>>amount of time (1 to 2 hours)?
> >>>
> >>>~leif
> >>>
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Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Question: TDI and homemade fuel

[DB]

wanted to test it for ASME specs but they wanted over $1000 to do the test. 
I am confident that if you do the reaction , water wash the results  and 
properly filter  the bio you will be meeting asme standards
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From: "Marna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 7:48 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Newbie Question: TDI and homemade fuel


I have been told that its best to use ASME certified biodiesel for the 
newer

cars because of the centrifuge used in processing to eliminate something,
and that using homebrew made from WVO is dangerous.

I just bought a TDI and am running my first tank of ASME certified 
biodiesel

through the car, but would really like to use WVO and do homebrew.

Opinions?  Facts?

Thanks,
Marna (Washington State, USA)


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[Biofuel] Tech developing efficient organic solar cell

[info]

Tech Developing Efficient Organic Solar Cell

http://www.innovations-report.com/html/reports/energy_engineering/report-37778.html



Energy industry poised for something new

http://www.oaoa.com/news/nw121404c.htm



After Oil Peaks, Geonomics Wins the Next Wave

http://www.progress.org/2004/oil14.htm



New energy report: A brighter idea by far

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/news/editorial/10413462.htm




Make your own power with mini wind turbine 

http://tinyurl.com/6dykm






Merrry Christmas everyone

http://www.alternate-energy.net/holid05.html




Get your daily alternative energy news

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Re: [Biofuel] vacuum dehydration & methanol recovery

[Manuel del Rio]

Leif,

About an affordable vacuum pump. I found a pressure/vacuum pump from Thomas 
Compressors

model Thomas 1020 being sold by Amazon for U$179.99
The features from Amazon's description:
   * Lightweight, portable, quiet running
   * 3/4 HP - Tankless Compressor
   * Use for pressure or vacuum
   * Fully adjustable valve 0-100 psi.
   * Delivers 2.17 cfm @ 100 psi - or 27" Hg.

It is a lower capacity vacuum pump compared with those used in Ian's or 
Dale's but maybe
good for those of us who can not easily find such good and suited surplus 
equipment.


Also, Todd (Appal Energy) posted an url:  www.bocedwards.com and provided some
vacuum pump specs which you can find in the mailing list archives message 
#25964


I find difficult to calculate the time required to evacuate the methanol 
because besides the temperature
and vacuum pressure, the time will probably depend strongly on the volume 
of air/gases to be
evacuated (hoses, not filled tank volume) and how well sealed is the 
equipment.  However,
experienced people in this list could probably estimate if this pump would 
take longer or shorter than

other pumps they have tried.

Please let me know if you find something better.

Best  regards,
Manuel



At 08:28 PM 12/14/2004, you wrote:
Thanks for the response Luc. I am familiar with Dale's reactor but there's 
not enough info on his site to answer my questions. I'm still hoping 
someone on this list will bite . . .


~leif

On Dec 14, 2004, at 8:04 PM, Legal Eagle wrote:


G'day Leif;.

- Original Message - From: "Leif Forer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 9:22 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] vacuum dehydration & methanol recovery


Wondering if you can help me with a couple of vacuum pump questions. I 
am building a reactor out of a 150 gallon vessel and want to use vacuum 
to dry incoming waste oil, dry washed biodiesel, and recover methanol 
from glycerin and biodiesel. I am trying to figure out what vacuum pump 
I need (at least the ball park specifications) and find an affordable source.



Have you see this 
?http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html#touchfree

Follow the link to Dale's explanation of his set-up
http://home.swbell.net/scrof/Biod_Proc.html He is the guy who originally 
used a water heater as a reactor.

Luc

On safety: Do you think I need to be concerned about getting an 
explosion proof or totally enclosed fan cooled vacuum pump? Even though 
the system will have to be closed and I'll have a liquid trap?


Technical: Any idea what the free air CFM @ 25" Hg would have to be to 
evacuate 20 gallons of methanol from a 150 gallon tank in a reasonable 
amount of time (1 to 2 hours)?


~leif

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[Biofuel] "The sweet smell of success"

[Patrick Campbell]

article about a Heartland truck driver who runs SVO in his 18 wheeler! 
The magazine is free and I subscribe to it as a part-time owner operator 
"hotshot" trucker (with my pickup truck).  There is a link to the article 
here:


http://www.landlinemag.com/Archives/2004/Dec04/features/sweet_smell.htm

It's a fun read and really quite interesting to see someone who pulls 
80,000 lbs at 5.5 MPG running 90+% WVO.


Nice exposure too!!!

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[Biofuel] Newbie Question: TDI and homemade fuel

[Marna]

I have been told that its best to use ASME certified biodiesel for the newer
cars because of the centrifuge used in processing to eliminate something,
and that using homebrew made from WVO is dangerous.

I just bought a TDI and am running my first tank of ASME certified biodiesel
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Thanks,
Marna (Washington State, USA)


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Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job

[aleksander . kac]

Yes, a fine proposal. But let's not forget Keith, also spending a lot of 
his
resources keeping us ("the nuthouse") alive for, how many years now? 
Journey has a "donation button" also. Both of them should deserve at
least some expense coverage from us all.

Cheers, Aleks





Gustl Steiner-Zehender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
14.12.2004 19:26
Please respond to biofuel

 
To: Biofuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cc: 
Subject:[Biofuel] Martin's Job


Hallo Friends,

I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin
Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a
good  home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his
own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep
this list alive and upgrade it.

If  each  of  us  who  appreciate his efforts would consider sending a
dollar or two or five (or the "foreign" equivalent) to him to help him
defray  his  costs  it  would  not only be a kind gesture but show our
appreciation  of  his  work in a way which would allow him to continue
with  his  fine work and make the list even better and more secure and
efficient.   Anyone  who  was  around  for the last attack on the list
knows what I mean about being secure.

I  am not sure how Martin would feel about this as I haven't spoken to
him  about  it.   My  feelings  on  the matter are that this list is a
little  home for a bunch of good people and that it serves the greater
good  of  us  all.   I  am  willing to act as the collection point and
receive  any  contributions  which  anyone would care to make and send
them  on  to Martin, with his and the lists permission.  Any donations
could  be  sent  to  Martin  in  care  of me at my address and I would
forward  them to him unless Martin does not mind giving his address to
the list and receiving them directly.

What  are  the  lists  thoughts  on  this  those of the list owner and
administrators and, of course, Martin?

Happy Happy,

Gustl
-- 
Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns.
Mitglied-Team AMIGA
ICQ: 22211253-Gustli

The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, 
soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, 
without signposts. 
C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters"

Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, 
daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht 
gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden.

Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't
hear the music. 
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The best portion of a good man's life -
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Re: [Biofuel] End of the World

[bmolloy]

Hi Luc,
  Me too, WTF?
Bob.

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] End of the World


> WTF ?
> Luc
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Michael Redler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] End of the World
> 
> 
> > 
> > I thought you might find this "interesting".
> > 
> > If you belong to the Distillers group, you may have already seen it.
> > 
> > http://www.ebaumsworld.com/endofworld.html
> > (give it a minute to load)
> > 
> > It does a nice job of summing things up.
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
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Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job

[John Miggins]

John Miggins
Harvest Solar & Wind Power
"renewable solutions to everyday needs"
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Phone/Fax 918-743-2299
Cell: 918-521-6223

- Original Message - 
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To: "Biofuel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 12:26 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Martin's Job



Hallo Friends,

I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin
Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a
good  home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his
own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep
this list alive and upgrade it.

If  each  of  us  who  appreciate his efforts would consider sending a
dollar or two or five (or the "foreign" equivalent) to him to help him
defray  his  costs  it  would  not only be a kind gesture but show our
appreciation  of  his  work in a way which would allow him to continue
with  his  fine work and make the list even better and more secure and
efficient.   Anyone  who  was  around  for the last attack on the list
knows what I mean about being secure.

I  am not sure how Martin would feel about this as I haven't spoken to
him  about  it.   My  feelings  on  the matter are that this list is a
little  home for a bunch of good people and that it serves the greater
good  of  us  all.   I  am  willing to act as the collection point and
receive  any  contributions  which  anyone would care to make and send
them  on  to Martin, with his and the lists permission.  Any donations
could  be  sent  to  Martin  in  care  of me at my address and I would
forward  them to him unless Martin does not mind giving his address to
the list and receiving them directly.

What  are  the  lists  thoughts  on  this  those of the list owner and
administrators and, of course, Martin?

Happy Happy,

Gustl
--
Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns.
Mitglied-Team AMIGA
ICQ: 22211253-Gustli

The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope,
soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones,
without signposts.
C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters"

Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen,
da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewšhnlichen Welt nicht
gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden.

Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't
hear the music.
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The best portion of a good man's life -
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Re: [Biofuel] End of the World

[Legal Eagle]

Luc
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] End of the World




I thought you might find this "interesting".

If you belong to the Distillers group, you may have already seen it.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/endofworld.html
(give it a minute to load)

It does a nice job of summing things up.

Mike


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Re: [Biofuel] End of the World

[Michael Redler]

I thought you might find this "interesting".

If you belong to the Distillers group, you may have already seen it.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/endofworld.html
(give it a minute to load)

It does a nice job of summing things up.

Mike


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Re: [Biofuel] vacuum dehydration & methanol recovery

[Kevin Shea]

Hi Leif,
I'm also looking into creating a methanol recovery unit / water evaporator
with the aid of a vacuum pump and have the same concerns.  In fact, I was
going to post the same questions you have!

Mainly, what vacuum pump to use along with the condenser that will not
explode from the recovered methanol.  This is my next addition to my
processor and would echo your concerns with any advice on this subject.

HELP!!
-Kevin


> >> Wondering if you can help me with a couple of vacuum pump questions.
> >> I am building a reactor out of a 150 gallon vessel and want to use
> >> vacuum to dry incoming waste oil, dry washed biodiesel, and recover
> >> methanol from glycerin and biodiesel. I am trying to figure out what
> >> vacuum pump I need (at least the ball park specifications) and find
> >> an affordable source.
> >
> >
> >> On safety: Do you think I need to be concerned about getting an
> >> explosion proof or totally enclosed fan cooled vacuum pump? Even
> >> though the system will have to be closed and I'll have a liquid trap?
> >>
> >> Technical: Any idea what the free air CFM @ 25" Hg would have to be
> >> to evacuate 20 gallons of methanol from a 150 gallon tank in a
> >> reasonable amount of time (1 to 2 hours)?
> >>
> >> ~leif

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Re: [Biofuel] vacuum dehydration & methanol recovery

[Leif Forer]

there's not enough info on his site to answer my questions. I'm still 
hoping someone on this list will bite . . .


~leif

On Dec 14, 2004, at 8:04 PM, Legal Eagle wrote:


G'day Leif;

- Original Message - From: "Leif Forer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 9:22 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] vacuum dehydration & methanol recovery


Wondering if you can help me with a couple of vacuum pump questions. 
I am building a reactor out of a 150 gallon vessel and want to use 
vacuum to dry incoming waste oil, dry washed biodiesel, and recover 
methanol from glycerin and biodiesel. I am trying to figure out what 
vacuum pump I need (at least the ball park specifications) and find 
an affordable source.



Have you see this 
?http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html#touchfree

Follow the link to Dale's explanation of his set-up
http://home.swbell.net/scrof/Biod_Proc.html He is the guy who 
originally used a water heater as a reactor.

Luc

On safety: Do you think I need to be concerned about getting an 
explosion proof or totally enclosed fan cooled vacuum pump? Even 
though the system will have to be closed and I'll have a liquid trap?


Technical: Any idea what the free air CFM @ 25" Hg would have to be 
to evacuate 20 gallons of methanol from a 150 gallon tank in a 
reasonable amount of time (1 to 2 hours)?


~leif

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Re: [Biofuel] food waste in perspective

[Lyle Estill]

leap at an extra 1.50 per day.

On Dec 14, 2004, at 3:56 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

"Jones estimates an average family of four currently tosses out $590 
per year, just in meat, fruits,

vegetables and grain products."

To put $590 per year in perspective, it is roughly half of what we 
spend on telecommunication services(cable, telephone & cell phone) 
each year, or about $1.50 per day, or $0.40 per family member per day.


As much as I sympathize with the effort to reduce food waste, I do not 
see how we can be any more frugal.


I am open to suggestions.

Mikem


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Lyle Estill
V.P. Stuff
Piedmont Biofuels
www.biofuels.coop
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[Biofuel] food waste in perspective

[mkmiller]

"Jones estimates an average family of four currently tosses out $590 per year, 
just in meat, fruits, 
vegetables and grain products."

To put $590 per year in perspective, it is roughly half of what we spend on 
telecommunication services(cable, telephone & cell phone) each year, or about 
$1.50 per day, or $0.40 per family member per day.

As much as I sympathize with the effort to reduce food waste, I do not see how 
we can be any more frugal.

I am open to suggestions.

Mikem


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Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job

[Legal Eagle]

Luc
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To: "Biofuel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 1:26 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Martin's Job



Hallo Friends,

I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin
Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a
good  home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his
own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep
this list alive and upgrade it.

If  each  of  us  who  appreciate his efforts would consider sending a
dollar or two or five (or the "foreign" equivalent) to him to help him
defray  his  costs  it  would  not only be a kind gesture but show our
appreciation  of  his  work in a way which would allow him to continue
with  his  fine work and make the list even better and more secure and
efficient.   Anyone  who  was  around  for the last attack on the list
knows what I mean about being secure.

I  am not sure how Martin would feel about this as I haven't spoken to
him  about  it.   My  feelings  on  the matter are that this list is a
little  home for a bunch of good people and that it serves the greater
good  of  us  all.   I  am  willing to act as the collection point and
receive  any  contributions  which  anyone would care to make and send
them  on  to Martin, with his and the lists permission.  Any donations
could  be  sent  to  Martin  in  care  of me at my address and I would
forward  them to him unless Martin does not mind giving his address to
the list and receiving them directly.

What  are  the  lists  thoughts  on  this  those of the list owner and
administrators and, of course, Martin?

Happy Happy,

Gustl
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Re: [Biofuel] vacuum dehydration & methanol recovery

[Legal Eagle]

- Original Message - 
From: "Leif Forer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 9:22 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] vacuum dehydration & methanol recovery


Wondering if you can help me with a couple of vacuum pump questions. I am 
building a reactor out of a 150 gallon vessel and want to use vacuum to 
dry incoming waste oil, dry washed biodiesel, and recover methanol from 
glycerin and biodiesel. I am trying to figure out what vacuum pump I need 
(at least the ball park specifications) and find an affordable source.



Have you see this 
?http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html#touchfree

Follow the link to Dale's explanation of his set-up
http://home.swbell.net/scrof/Biod_Proc.html He is the guy who originally 
used a water heater as a reactor.

Luc

On safety: Do you think I need to be concerned about getting an explosion 
proof or totally enclosed fan cooled vacuum pump? Even though the system 
will have to be closed and I'll have a liquid trap?


Technical: Any idea what the free air CFM @ 25" Hg would have to be to 
evacuate 20 gallons of methanol from a 150 gallon tank in a reasonable 
amount of time (1 to 2 hours)?


~leif

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Re: [Biofuel] Santa and his reindeers

[Legal Eagle]

Luc
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Subject: [Biofuel] Santa and his reindeers



Wishing all of you the very best.
Kirk

click 'one time' on each reindeer.

http://web.icq.com/shockwave/0,,4845,00.swf






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Re: [Biofuel] I made a test batch!

[Legal Eagle]

You'll have ups (like now) and there will be downs, but don't give up, stick 
with, work through it, and ASK. There are no dumb questions, there are only 
dumb expressions for not having asked :-)
A wise person learns from his/her mistakes, but a wiser person yet learns 
from the mistakes of others, and we have all had them and will continue to 
have them as long as there are variables to deal with.
We would laugh on our way to our holiday spot how that the people behind 
would probably have a sudden urge to have Chinese food. (we use vegie 
shortening as feedstock from a Chinese restaurant, titrates to 5gr/liter 
total, not bad eh?)

Be a kid as long as you can, have fun.
Luc
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Subject: [Biofuel] I made a test batch!


Yesterday, I went to the Fulton Center for Sustainable Living at Wilson
College, Chambersburg, PA and made some bio diesel. My first batch! I canÕt
believe how ÒniceÓ the exhaust from my TDI smells! Sorry, I just had to
share my excitement with the group! I feel like a kid on Christmas day! IÕve
been part of this group for almost two years. I finally got a TDI at the end
of October and now my goal is to start home brewing beginning the first of
the year! My family thinks I am nuts, but I donÕt care!

Wendy Adams
Harrisburg, PA
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Re: [Biofuel] U.S. Dollar and China

[Legal Eagle]

increase in value and further devalue the dollar as a result. The Japanese 
have this signed up saying they will support the dollar, but they are no 
longer able to sustain it as the Russians and Chines along with others are 
dumping it, putting pressure on those slated to support it. India is also 
falering on dumping it and OPEC has already started decreasing dollar 
influence in favour of the Euro.
The US has always had the policy of exporting it's inflation this way, to 
get others to support their fiscal mismanagement, but this time it isn't 
working nor will it work resulting in a monumentous slide.
JP Morgan's ( a parrtner member in the Federal Reserve) derivatives alone 
are in the trillions, way over any assets they can muster. A call-in of 
those derivatives and it' s toodaloo to the dollar supremacy overnight. And 
why should anyone want to support the currency of a nation fully engaged in 
criminal hegemony  for ono one's benefit but the already too rich or those 
seeking to be rich and independant (finally, wink,wink)?

Luc
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Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S. Dollar and China



Maybe very interesting but not entirely accurate. The
Chinese yuan is pegged to the US dollar, so the dollar
cannot deflate with relation to Chinese currency. This
helps them because if the dollar deflated relative to
the yuan imported Chinese goods would become more
expensive and their sales to the US would decrease.

Ken



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